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more tugboats edition
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Pilot took these ones
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What kind of propulsion do your tugs have?
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>>1057428
all three of ours are traditional twin screw
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>>1057445
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>>1057447
took this while we were on the hip
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>previously told that I need to recertify on Blinker Light before I can be issued my license
>get an email from the NMC telling me that I had 30 days to complete one last certification or my license application would be voided
>5 days ago get an email saying my license had been approved
>and then one saying it had been issued and was in the mail
>mfw I still have not gone down to redo blinker light

Okay now I'm just confused. Do I still have to do the stupid morse code thing or not?
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>>1057492
Do it, and inform them of the error. You risk them catching their error and revoking your license.
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>>1057418
>More tugboats edition

I can get into this. Seems like 90% of us are on small boats.
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>>1057497
how are those Moran tractors on the inside? comfy?
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>>1057713
Never worked on one, but yeah, they're beamy and berths are late and comfy.
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"They have in Japan the biggest ships you’ve ever seen pouring cars into Los Angeles, pouring them in. I’ve never seen anything like it." - President Trump
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>>1057496
As it turns out, it was all bureaucracy shit. I did the morse code stuff, and picked up my license that day. It still feels so fucking weird to actually see

>The lawful holder of this credential,
>ANON
>as endorsed beloew, is entitled under Title 46(Shipping), U.S. Code to serve in the capacity or capacties specified (national only), subject to any limitations indicated.

>Capacity: Third Mate of Self-Propelled Vessels Not Including Auxiliary Sail of Unlimited Tonnage Upon Oceans

in my hands. I didn't think I'd actually make it this far.
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>>1058151
This leads me to another question: MM&P or MEBA mates?
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Wing in Groundeffect is the future of ferry transportation.
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>>1058151
Nice blog faggot.
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>>1058266
Nah. Until they can operate in heavy seas, WIG are dead in the water.
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18,000 horsepower worth of boats
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>>1058349
They also can't take transport cars.
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>>1058450

WIG's only make sense when you get huge, like bigger than the Caspian Sea Monster huge. Ride height is dictated by wing size/geometry so you need to go big to avoid large waves in the ocean. Once they get that big though, everything is golden, as they can carry decent freight
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>>1058630

The only thing is at that size you can have a conventional ferry carrying significantly more
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>>1058638
Speed.

Ferrys take forever in alaska.

A WiG ferry would cut travel time down.
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>>1058662

Ferry's take forever, everywhere.

Few people are actually going to ship heavy freight at premiums you would find for a WiG.

Even a big WiG would only useful for passengers and small mail packages.
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>>1058748
WiG for people and their cars.

If it doesn't cost more than air travel + rental car costs. Then I would pay for it.
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random question, but do any of you play ship simulator?
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>>1059370
Here's a backhand right back at you. Have you done any training in a ship simulator? The whole bridge and kit n caboodle? Those things are fun. You can actually get off balance when they simulate a beam sea on the screens, even though you're on a solid concrete floor
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How does taxation of seafarers work in the US? I am thinking about making a move there from Denmark in the future, but my current salary is tuned to danish seafarers being income tax exempt.
Will I be able to move from Europe to the land of the free without getting the shit taxed out of me?
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>>1059689
It's based on the state you live in, I'm pretty sure. US ships are technically American soil for the purposes of US laws, so you don't get taxed at the rate for people working in a different country. So, where-ever you throw down roots make sure you pick a state without income-tax.
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>>1057421
why is there nowhere for people to walk?
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>>1059703
?
There's a catwalk down the midline of the ship, and nonskid black paths down the bulwarks.
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>>1059689
I'm not entirely sure on the exact limits because it doesn't apply to me, but a US merchant Mariner working overseas (which I assume is outside US territorial waters) is tax exempt up to $80,000.

I, along with most people in this thread I assume, work coastwise. In the US, you owe three different income taxes: Federal, State, and Town. The federal tax is bracketed, pic related. An income of $100,000 would incur about $18,000 of taxes. No escaping that. There are seven states that have no income tax: Alaska,Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, Wyoming, South Dakota, and New Hampshire. Town taxes vary. If you own land, you'll also have real estate taxes. Money is also witheld for social security and Medicare

All in, with $100,000 example for ease, you can expect a take home of $65,000-$75,000 depending on state and town. If you're working coastal.
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>>1059716
Ya but why isn't it like a huge platform that you can put stuff on?
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>>1059733
Because it's a tanker and you wouldn't be carrying anything heavy on that catwalk?
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>>1059737
you're a tanker
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>>1059701
>>1059733
I'd be staying at my company, sailing globally. I doub't i will go on one of their US-flagged ships unless I become a citizen.
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>>1059733
On a tanker, you want as much of the piping on deck as possible. Easier to maintain, inspect, repair and replace. Downside is that it restricts movement on deck. Gotta work around that.
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>>1059739
excellent counterpoint, sir
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Check out muh whip
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>>1059722
>but a US merchant Mariner working overseas (which I assume is outside US territorial waters) is tax exempt up to $80,000
>t. Marty Kapp

You got a source for that?
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>>1059873
I assume they're talking about "Foreign Income Exclusion", which if you quickly glance at the IRS website, does not cover work on International Waters. Plus you'd have to be outside the US for 330 days of the year.

There are always schemes, like trying to deduct the value of all your meals on the ship. There are threads on the terrible failure of all these schemes on gCaptain.

I count myself lucky that South Carolina hasn't tried to pursue state income taxes from me, since I *legally* moved to Florida as soon as I got a sailing job.
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>>1059758
That's not a boat, this is a boat.
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>>1060015

I just saw a boat that looked eerily like that half submerged.
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>>1060008
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Researched it a little more, and realized I was mistaken. I think I was repeating this after having heard it from my friends that work for MSC (military sealift command, US civilian ships contracted to resupply Navy vessels). I think they're allowed to take the tax exemption.
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>>1060015
a boat carries shit in a compartment that displaces water, not on top of said compartment. that's a raft
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They found the wreck in Grenada's waters
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She wasn't the cleanest before she went down 3.5weeks ago
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I had seen a photo of one of the divers holding a sack of eddos (similar to a potato) in good condition but I can't seem to locate them.
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>>1060239
>emergency lights still burning

That's creepy as shit.
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>>1060246
good to see the hydrostatic release worked on that liferaft
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>>1060270

There's a reason why we are a flag of convenience. There will be no investigation in any shape or form. Even if someone claims negligence they'd be like "our investigators can't dive".
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>>1060165
I work for MSC as well, also not the case for us.
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>>1060246
What happens to the wreck? Will it be salvaged or left there?
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>>1060270
What does that mean?
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>>1060409

It will be left there. Most commercial wrecks like these are never salvaged or recovered even if they are right in the harbour.

The equipment required for these weights are not on hand and when teams are brought it it's really not worth it.

The ships are usually already on the brink of scrap so it's cheaper just to buy a 1st world reject and run that for another couple decades.

>>1060410

The raft is supposed to open up on submersion. I have a feeling that they deactivated it because decks in this region are often all awash but I can't say for sure.
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>>1060423

This is a wreck on the most popular tourist island in our archipelago. Any sail boat that passes on the Lee of the island, which is a popular choice for comfort, will happen upon this view.

If this is not ordered cleared, nothing will.

I like it desu
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>>1060423
> I have a feeling that they deactivated it because decks in this region are often all awash but I can't say for sure.

that deck is just aft of the wheelhouse, I don't think it's supposed to be awash lol
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>>1060489

>Supposed to be

Like I say, I can't be sure, but I can ask the guys why it didn't release.

We have been getting small craft warnings on average 2 days a week since January and some of my comrades come back in saying that it is really difficult out there
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>>1060423
>>1060489

The hydrostatic release should require a significant amount of pressure, if they activated just from getting wet, they'd be no good at all.

It's really disconcerting how many failures we've been seeing of supposedly foolproof lifesaving appliances.

>he's never been pooped
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Another ore carrier went down.

http://gcaptain.com/very-large-ore-carrier-stellar-daisy-believed-sunk-in-south-atlantic/

MV Stellar Daisy, 2 survivors, 22 missing.
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hoping there are some engineers on here

studying, got a class test coming up in a few days

one of the possible questions is this;
A ship's bus bars are fed by 2 identical generator sets. (Generator No.1 and Generator No. 2). The Generator No.3 is under repairs and cannot be used.
i. A duty engineer mistakenly shut the fuel to Generator No.1. Write down the sequence of events that can take place if the total load cannot be handled by No.2 Generator.

ii. A duty engineer mistakenly disconnects excitation to the Generator No.1 Rotor. Write down the sequence of events that can take place.

Please note your answer should be in chronological order. If there is more than one possibility write all of them with the end result.

googling these questions just brings up shore based answers (lots of Hydro) was hoping someone on here could either point in a good direction or throw down some dot points.

cheers.
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>>1060593
i got a rough idea for i.
so, fuel gets cut;
1. prime mover starts to slow due to no fuel
2. AVR senses loss of voltage
3. boosts excitation to keep voltage steady
4. prime mover keeps slowing down
5. AVR can't keep voltage high enough as prime mover is now too slow
6. CB opens due to (i think) undervoltage trip)
7. all the load jumps onto the other generator
8. preferential trips starting opening cutting power to non essential services
9. either this sheds the load enough until that generator can handle it, or if not that generator will start to slow under the load, and trip, causing a black out.


but for ii. i got no idea. asking friends n stuff but yeah, finding a decent ship based source is proving hard.

with loss of excitation, the rotor will still be spinning at its normal RPM. what happens to the stator? is it now drawing power from the grid?
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>>1060605
for ii i found;
1. excitation loss in #1
2. gen #1 runs as an induction generator
3. gen #1 draws excitation kVAr from #2 gen
4. currents in both rapidly rise
5. #2 with a lagging and #1 with a leading power factor
6. loss of excitation will trip #1 (if fitted) or overcurrent will trip causing #2 to be overloaded
7. alternatively #2 trips on overcurrent which deprives #1 of excitation and it trips on undervoltage
8 result, total power failure.
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>>1058662
What about corrosion and unseen floating debris on landing/takeoff?
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>>1060541
This boat (Stellar Daisy) sank yesterday, they think water got in thru a crack, liquified the ore cargo, then she split and rolled over, taking 22 of the 24 crew with her.

:/ must have been a decent fucking crack :/ christ
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I'm currently exploring historical shipping, much respect for the mighty old clippers and windjammers.
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>>1061220
if others have time I would much recommend investigating the Kindly light sailed by lewis anderson
The most successful Pilot to ever work the bristol channel under sail, both before and after WW1 piloting a record 13 vessels in one week

He was forced to sell her by his competitors a few years after WW1 and join the local Pilot amalgamation working under steam.
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>>1061240
http://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/472/kindly-light
and her restorer
http://www.transporttrust.com/awards/award/22
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Carolina Coast inbound with barge Sugar Express
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>>1061243
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>>1061265
AHS Hamburger outbound
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>>1061243

Is your port the sugar hub of the southern states or what?
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>>1061319
I wouldn't call it a hub, but they definitely move a lot of sugar through here.
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>no gangs required
aargh
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ATB Freeport
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>>1060593
I had a similar thing to i happen to me on a pair of electronically injected cats. Loose connection caused the port side engine to lose the run signal, injection stopped instantly, port engine tripped on reverse power, starboard on overload.
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The DM put out another article on the El Faro.

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4404148/IM-A-GONER-El-Faros-hours-ship-sails-storm.html
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#tbt to the Goodyear Blimp in 1931 transferring mail from an ocean liner to the blimp in the Port of Los Angeles. Thank you Los Angeles Department of Water & Power for this piece of history. And although we won't see the blimp for a while, Goodyear is replacing the blimp later this year with a new "blimp" named Wingfoot Two. This new aircraft will be faster, quieter, larger, easier to fly, and more more maneuverable than the blimps it introduced more than 90 years ago!
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>>1063843
blimptrain?
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Did some wakeboarding and swimming today
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>>1059722
I have NEVER heard of municipality levying an income tax. You're retarded.

>>1059873
It's pretty standard shit. If you're an American that doesn't live in America you pay no income tax on the firat $80k you make. After that you pay income tax, but you can use any foreign income tax you pay to offset some of that up to an amount.

The USA is really stupid in that regard. Almost no other nation forces their citizens to pay income tax if they're not living there.
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>>1065900
no, u

https://www.thebalance.com/cities-that-levy-income-taxes-3193246
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>>1065900
How many other nations will send a c130, 4 rescue swimmers and a frigate if you activate your epirb 1000 miles from shore?
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>>1065897
What lake?
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>>1065900
>I have NEVER heard of municipality levying an income tax.
Me neither. I live in the communist shithole known as the city of los angeles. If other cities were levying an income tax, the jews of the LA city council wouldnt hesitate to do the same.
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Is ILWU linesman the graviest gig in the maritime industry?
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>>1066324
Some do. City of LA has a business income tax rather than a personal one.
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>>1066335
It's gotta be Sea Pilot.
>Board ship a few miles out at the sea buoy
>Make a few turns, few easy passing arrangements
>Hand off to docking pilot once inside the harbor
>Waltz off once all the hard work is done
>Pass GO, collect $300,000

I got interested in joining the NYC Sea Pilots, but had already barely passed their age limit, I think it's 25.
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>>1066503
I didnt even know that was a job. I knew about port pilots, but i didnt know about sea pilots. So they take control once the ship is in national waters or what?
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>>1066606
It differs from Port to Port, state to state and country to country. Differing laws, regulations, and agreements between pilot associations.
Sometimes that Sea(aka Bar) pilot will also dock the ship. Sometimes there are multiple pilots for different areas (Sea>River>Docking).
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Bump
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>>1066503

That's called a "racket"
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Can anyone explain what a berth pocket is? Or is this just the same as a berth?

Cheers
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Just listened to Gordon Lightfoot's "Edmund Fitzgerald", and I was wondering if anyone of you has ever been in a situation where you truly were afraid onboard.
I remember my first turn onboard on international waters as a Deck Cadet when I was 16.
>crossing the Bay of Biscay
>bound for Tangiers from St.Nazaire
>the weather roughens
>wind 30 knots
>9-10 m waves
>swell 30-35 degrees
>got thrown out of my bunk twice during the night
>OOW legit scared
>VHF traffic filled with panicked french fishermen

Looking back there wasn't even the slightest chance of going under, but at the time I had only sailed on smaller cargo transport ferries in the Finnish archipelago. After the storm faded, I had realised how petrifying it would be to know your ship wont handle the weather conditions.

>Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A
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>>1066647
Oh, I'm well aware. And I want *in*
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>>1066713

I have been in some bad weather where I thought the boat would sink but it never really affected me, probably because I had a few times before let jesus take the wheel in some other land based situations.

I guess the two times that I came close is once where I got thrown on a tour boat to operate a tour since the director's buddies were on board and I was a good helmsman. It was a run down the docks and jump on the stern as she left kind of deal. Got half an hour in and realized I had no fuel after the one engine coughed to death. I let myself get too preoccupied with the guests to check up on the important shit. Thought I would have lost the job but thankfully the boss understood the situation.

And another time where we got caught off gaurd by a major gust on a sail cruiser that put the 80ft monohull at a 70 degree heel. Clients got hurt, had to swing back for crew who fell overboard. The concerning part is that I was on the windward and thought that I was going to hit shit on the way down but I managed to hold on to the shroud.
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>>1066995

But how can a pilot have an entrance age maximum so low? I would think that the pilots were to be knowledgeable seasoned old salts who know almost nothing other than their port?
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>>1067043
That was for the Sandy Hook pilots, who only take ships from the sea buoy to the very mouth of the harbor. Incredible racket. They only take guys young because they have a long 'training' process.
Iirc, you spend one year as a deckhand in their pilot boat, one year as the mate, one year as the master, one year riding ships, one year as an apprentice, then they finally cut you loose as some small share pilot, and you spend the next while building up to full share pilot.

If I do make a move into piloting, the next bet would be one of the docking pilot associations. They are more in tune with your idea, the vast majority are old tug captains that spent 20-30 years on tugboats before moving up as an apprentice pilot.
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>>1067256

Talking about rackets. Every fuel ship that moors up too offload in our country is required a pilot and all that is for is to take the ship from a heavily trafficked shipping channel into a totally empty massive deep water bay.

There is nothing to hit, nothing to avoid, nothing to co-ordinate. Apparently they just go on board and sit silently in the chair and hop off when everything is done. Even the ship's crew is the ones who communicate with the mooring team because the pilot is a cuck who probably doesn't know how to use a radio.
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Interesting video about Northwest Passage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDwtO4RWmo
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>>1067256
>small share pilot, and you spend the next while building up to full share pilot.
I've never heard "full share" used outside of fishing. Is it just an old term, or are they actually splitting money?
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>>1067288

Maybe in reference to their level of piracy?
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>>1067288
I can't speak to all pilot associations, but around here they pool their income and split it. New guys start around 1/8 share, then move to 1/4, 1/2, and full share once they've or proved themselves/gained seniority.
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>>1067279
Yeah, I've run into that bullshit, too. Anchored outside of Wilmington, Delaware and heading to the oil berth in there. I have recency up and down the Delaware, but need to bring a Christina River pilot on board to get to the oil berth, which is at the very mouth of the river, less than a mile away from where we're anchored. Grade A absurdity, pic related.
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Eh, fuck it. I'll see if Holland-America is hiring.
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Champion III
really strange looking thing
That wheelhouse must get really hot during the summer
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>>1068556
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>>1068557
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>>1068495
K, man. You uh, do you.
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>>1068558
Looks rad.
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>>1068556

>Must get really hot

Open the windows

Pic: We might only be going 9 miles on a calm day but anything larger than a pickup needs chaining. These old round belly Fjord boats go 35 degrees even on calm days and water comes through that port side door next to the truck.
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>>1068954

Observe the patchwork

They're pretty old.
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>>1060015
Sup
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>>1066713
Small container vessel in a quartering sea about two days out from our next port. We were rolling up to 40 degrees at worst. I was alone on watch in the ER and out of the corner of my eye I saw the domestic hydrophore move. The thing held about 800 kg of water at 7 bar, and was mostly supported by two turnbuckles from the deckhead. One had broken, and it was just sitting on the edge of the three feet underneath. That had me really nervous until we got in
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>>1060015
Theyre both boats and personally I'd rather own his.
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>>1069144
>IMG_20160416

I'm guessing there hasnt been much progress since.
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This shit is fucking up my program. Anyone else affected?

https://www.porttechnology.org/news/drewry_examines_chinas_port_congestion_chaos
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>>1069547

What do you do on the docks? I am asking out of curiosity.
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Early morning arrival of the NYK Meteor. Photo by Port of Los Angeles employee Capt. Joe Mayer, Los Angeles Pilot Service.
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>>1069549
>I am asking out of curiosity.
Why did you feel the need to add this? Now I'm not gonna answer.
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>>1069558

Because I am trying to spy on you.

But for real, English is not my first language and I am not accustomed to American culture so I tend to say odd things.
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>>1069558
>>1069583

Nevermind. I see you started a truckerfag thread, so I will just assume you drive a yard mule.
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>>1069585
Weirdo.
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>>1068955
I am so fond of mid century ship aesthetics. Today's commercial ships are...well, curves are expensive
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>>1069558
still on your high horse, eh?
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>>1069558
Post your pay stub.
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lol the samefagging loser is back
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>>1069546
Since you asked so nicely...
Interior is mostly finished save for a couple of snagging bits.
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the two girls tied up at the port waiting on a ship
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>>1070511
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>>1070514
Before we tied up we assisted Kirby's ATB Teresa, then had an hour and a half before the pilot boarded a Spliethoff cargo ship
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On the helideck of a pipelay vsl
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M/V Cape Rise, just deactivated after an ROS-5 Turbo Activation.
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>>1071579
Her two sister ships, the Cape Race...
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>>1071581
...and the Cape Ray, that ship that handled the Syrian chemical weapons disposal a few years back.
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>when the tug wants to fuck off earlier than you do
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Gonna buy a boat. Probably a planing dinghy just to blast around on lakes, but I'm fat and a standard Laser wouldn't be enough to transport my lard around at speed.

What would be a good choice? MegaByte looks good, as does the Laser 2 but a trapeze and 3 sails is a big step up, even though it's ballertime.
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>tfw brand new second hand ferry
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>>1072298
2000 is a lot of sail for one person to handle, especially if you're relatively inexperienced. Just get a Laser, they're everywhere and you can get a Rooster 8.1 rig if you need more speed for your fat ass. All that hiking you'll have to do will probably help you lose weight anyway.
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>>1072310
new to you, at least!
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>>1059637
i'm not that guy but i never considered ship simulators must exist... i'm on the ones in the sky
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>>1072946
ship simulator is very autistic fun
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>>1072967
He means the actual full-bridge simulators you see at training schools.
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some photos from the past week or so
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>>1073525
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>>1073528
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>>1073532
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I didn't realise this was a thread. I've got a few pictures from my last time on board. I'm qualified, but I decided the life wasn't for me, so I went back to university.

Looking to become a shipbroker now. If any of them ever get back to me.
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This was a tanker, off the west coast of Africa. Going from Nigeria to Rotterdam usually.
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Crazy squall from off the coast of Senegal. It went from force 2 to force 10 in about thirty seconds.
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And this isn't really a ship picture, but I thought it was interesting.

Triple 18s.
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>>1074402
oil I assume?
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>>1074467
Yep. Though I did my cadetship on bulkers, panamax and some capesize. Basically something like >>1060541
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>#cheeky
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I dont know what this is called but apparently it captures the exhaust from the ship if it can't plug in to shore power.
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>>1060239
Wait is that red light still on from when it sank?
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>>1060605
Your rough idea for number 1 is actually more correct for 2. Synchronous motors rely on the rotating speed to determine frequency and excitation of the windings to regulate voltage. What's interesting is that because the current is oscillating, all generators connected together electrically are actually coupled to the same frequency by the generators (regardless of what the prime movers do). Long story short, reverse power trip and the second generator will likely trip on overload.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GRk_qJxaxh8
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>>1075336
Probably an emergency lantern, they run off a separate 12v battery
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high winds yesterday had us towing a vessel out of its berth




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