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I was going to go with the A380 but too common. so ill go with this baby.
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>>1090432

You'll eat those words the next time you fly economy on one of those sitting 3ft away from the fucking engines.
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>>1090471
Not him, but I have been that guy. I did enjoy the RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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>>1090432
>Favorite plane
Looks or actually flying with one?
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747. It reminds me of the trips my family and I took when I was younger.
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>>1090558
Looks wise
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>>1090571
Nice, where did you go asia or europe?
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>>1090432
JT8's ftw. Im portugese, we ran one of things these of a runway once. FUCK YEA
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>>1090432
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>>1090629
Both but mostly Asia.
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/thread
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So sexy, no wonder its called the bone.
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>>1090432
Yep, flew business class on Qatar A380 and first on Qantas A380 they're dope.
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>>1090432
i think these embraers look rly nice
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Looks:
747-400 (pretty dreadful to fly with, at least with BA)

Actually flying on:
Any of the new longhaul ones like A330E/B787/A350/A380 because they're pretty quiet have decent displays + USB charging.
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>>1090750
I was surprised at just how quiet an early 90s 767 was. Can only imagine 787
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>>1090432
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>>1090897
>tfw Airbus never got to make A340-800, extra long edition
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>>1090897
ooooo a340 my third favorite sadly they arent that popular anymore
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>>1090635
ANA has some nice liveries especially the a380 one.
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DeHavilland Beaver
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>>1090668
oh hell yeah. i'm with you on this choice, anon.
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The Douglas DC3

I just like the way it looks.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZq3iCn2y74
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Vickers VC-10.
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>>1091239
kek
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>>1091243
Re-inherited fastest jet for a time when Concorde was retired, now also a piece of history.
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>>1090750
Displays and charging are completely dependent on the airline.
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>>1091239
Trump Force One, best livery.
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>>1090432
Embraer E170
Interior counted too
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DA42 for the centre stick and aesthetic
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>>1091477
my friends fly these at riddle, good choice anon
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>>1091098
ANA has A380s?
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>>1091499
They are taken a few of them in 2019
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>>1091348
That's kind of a turn on
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Why? Because it's the best.
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I also have a bit of a stiffy for the F-16 though.
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>>1090668
Maybe this will make you hard
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>>1091620
Or this
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>>1091641
That should be illegal. Far too gratuitous
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PZL M15
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>>1091655

>Piotr, let's make a proper plane for agricultural purposes

>Do you mean a cropduster??

>It must be a jet powered biplane

>Say no more, Vlad
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>>1091239
>tfw no private Boeing 757 with my name in gold letters
How do I get as rich as Trump?
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>>1091674
Grab some women by the pussy
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>>1091499
Yup
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>>1090656

THIS

>that nose
>that engine duct
>that way over engineered for its time
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>>1091713
>Today, on Wacky Races...
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>>1092120

oopsies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UmmeWVAt6A
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seems like the right place to ask: why are so many dc10/md11s repurposed for workhorse things (cargo, refueling)?
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IT LOOKS LIKE A SPACESHIP
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>>1092465
>IT LOOKS LIKE A GRAY CHEETO!
FTFY
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>>1092472
You better fucking take that back.
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>>1092473
OK, I will. Meant Dorito. You septics have so many """cheese""" snacks.
That one does look like a Cheeto though.
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>>1090432
Finnair a350
/thread
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>>1092850
Have you seen the new A350 with the special livery ? It's my new planefu, and i worked on it
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>>1091656
The fact that jet-powered biplanes aren't a thing to any reasonable degree fills me with profound sadness.
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>>1092915
A350 is a lovely bird, absolute joy to fly in.

I like CX and CI A350 over than Finnair's though
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>>1090571
I fucking miss flying on Iberia's 747s over to MAD for Christmas. Flew with them on Christmas yet again, this time with their A330s and while the IFE was neat, it just wasn't the same.
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>>1091076
They did it you dingus
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>>1090432
Flown on this particular aircraft on June, the plane looked beautiful, but caused me delays with its IFE and shitty MIA ground crew
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>>1091319
>Embraer E170
>Interior counted too

huh I'm not impressed with E170/190, they feel cramped

>>1091477
>DA42 for the centre stick and aesthetic

good thing you didnt mention the performance, because that thing barely climbs 300ft/m if you lose one eng

before I got rated on A320 my favourite plane would've been >>1091229 but now that I get to fly fi-fi around I'm gonna naturally answer pic related
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Looks wise the pilatus pc24
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favorite to fly on: Swiss A330-300 because you never have to step over more than one person in economy class to get to the aisle
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These little beasties have a place in my heart.
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>>1094659
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This or the il62
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>>1091477
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>>1094618
I used to work on those A320 birds. Almost the easiest planes I've worked on. Sensor errors are annoying though but everything can nearly be fixed with a CB reset.
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>>1092850
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
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>>1094621
the last 6 rows in economy on delta and scandinavian airlines a330 has a 2-3-2 configuration
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B-17
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>>1094616
Why'd you throw me back to 2008 youtube?
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>>1094618
what light twin DOES have good single engine climb performance??
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>>1094621
I always confuse this with the 767, looks so similar from afar
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Not my favorite but recently ive been interested in the a310 because its actually shorter than a a321 and basically the boeing 797.

Would love to see a photo of an a310 side by side with an a321.
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Also mr long and skinny like my pee pee.
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>>1096038
I love these shitty ghetto cargo liveries on busted old museum pieces

It seems so lawless and permissive, I bet those pilots are banging all sorts of loose women with exotic accents in dangerous places
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>>1094616
Might be shopped. The pixels just seem a bit off.
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>>1091620
I love how the old ram coating looks silvery. Apparently it's some kind of putty.

I like how the f-35C looks like it has a chubby.
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>>1096064
oops

>>1096055
>Might
I would really be happy if you are not being sarcastic.
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>>1096053
They might be old but they have manual reversion and old douglas planes are known for being overbuilt and bretty gud maintenance wise. The threads on airliners.net are interesting about them and there is one going on right now.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1369763

Baremetal liberies are the best tho and cant beat the 75. My friends dad flew one and said when they did ferry flights without pax and very little fuel the thing would climb like a beast.
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When I was a kid my fav plane was the Comet until I learned about it more and the engineering, but it's hard to beat how sleak it looks. I also always wondered why modern planes dont use embedded engines but now I think I understand why.
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I love how the Falcon 20 has a very swept back v-stab.
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>>1096070
oops
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90s Battleship Gray United Livery 747s
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>>1096076
boooooooooooring snooze alert.. wtf grandpa?
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this is the prettiest dc-8 ive seen
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>>1096069
those square windows don't look too sleek...
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>>1094781

>tail number
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If I was an airline owner, Sukhoi Superjet would be my main aircraft.

With occidental maintenance of course
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>>1096162
Aeroflot still painting the metaly color on a frame with composite
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>>1096162
So they can be hacked and flown into mountains? Also check out how low that landing gear is and how small those turbofans are.

>occidental
What did he mean by this?
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>>1096162
>Sukhoi Superjet
Literally a russian c series.. even copied front windows. 48in fan diameter vs 71 though.
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>>1096171
this is the real c series
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>>1096156
huh?

>>1096148
Neither does the rudder but day fuselage and in-wing engines.
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This looks like an interesting aerobatic aircraft... speaking of comets.

Too bad I cant find a single vid.
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>>1096162
why dont they slap some winglets on that thing? surely it would benefit from them?
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>>1096082
Well, that's because it isn't a DC-8. It's a Convair 990.
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Hard to pick a favorite, but I saw a Cessna Skymaster taking off at Oshkosh this year and instantly fell in love.
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Okay, I lied.
It's not hard to pick a favorite at all.
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Why dont planes utilize geodesic structures instead of right angles? Youd think they would be a lot stronger..
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>>1090887

Have flown UA 787 DEN-IAH. You'd barely even know the engines were there, and I had a window seat directly beside them.
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I like Pilatus PC-12 since it was my first and I work with them a lot

>>1094619
Excited for these to hit the market too
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>>1096501
Planes are monocoque structures, they gain strength using their skins
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>>1096584
Why is the ribbing square though if triangles and hexagons are stronger?
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>>1096589
There is no need for any of that, the skin provides all the strength between the ribs, the ribs only keep the skin stressed
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>>1096598
Why are the ribs in pic related square and not hexagonal? How are squares stronger and lighter than a triangle or a hex? Even though the skin is stressed shouldnt a triangular structure be lighter/stronger?
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>>1096617
Square gives the most useful space, you can't hold cargo on the angles of a hexagon
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>>1096501
That was intended to have doped fabric as an outer covering and was indeed mightily strong compared to pic.

Where it wins hands down over a stressed skin structure is on servicability if you're in the habit of punching hundreds of bullet holes in your aircraft.
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>>1090432
a10
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>>1096625
How does that apply to the fueselage then where interior panels cover the ribs? And how does that apply to wings where fuel is stored and fuel is liquid so it doesn't matter what shape it occupies?
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>>1096626
That is interesting, but why not use hexagonal structures as ribbing in the stressed skin structures as well because it seems like common sense that a hex or triangle would still be lighter/stronger?
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>>1096632
Someone made a very expensive mistake
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>>1096632
>Engines are fine
10/10
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>>1096660
Its a fire suppression system test.
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>>1096665
>test
With planes still in the hangar. Riiiight.
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>>1096665
Or someone hit the button by accident. I'm going with that.
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>>1096706
>"""fighter"""
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>>1091243

saw md80 - immediately thought of the vc10

came here to post that... dont know why i like that plane so much
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>>1096171
>>1096173
You mean Canadian superjet
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>>1096660
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/drunk-marine-releases-fire-suppression-system-in-kadena-hangar
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bombardier q400 on alaska/horizon is the only answer.

not only is alaska the best airline, but horizon operated regionals serve free beer.
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>>1096645
Could be standard practice in designing & manufacturing. Plus using the hex design would requires a major redesign in toolings and assembly procedures which many companies would not invest in.
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Tu 134
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>>1095788
Some vlj's have an alright perf. I'm rated on one.
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>>1097013
neat but im talking about light piston twins
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C-17 Globdmaster III
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>>1094616
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>>1097076
Now this really brings me back
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>>1097076
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Boeing > Airbus

Hate that French piece of shit
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>>1097216
If it ain't Boeing
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>>1097218

Then they can Squawk 7600. Also I love the Staggerwing. One of our T-hangars has one and took me up a couple times. Beautiful aircraft.
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Airbus make god-tier machines.

Got a type-rating and contract on the A319/320 starting next week. Sick of Boeing's shit flight mechanics
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>>1097368
Nobody cares, includes the vast majority of pilots.
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>>1097368
>sidestick is somehow superior
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>>1097388

It's just different - yoke is fine, but most Boeing fleets are fairly ancient where I am.

>>1097375
You probably won't care that I hammered your mom in the FOs seat then. No yoke to get in the way in an Airbus
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>>1097216
are you rated on either?

Because I fly busses for a living and I quite like 'em.
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>>1095788
Well piper pa-42 cheyenne
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>>1098150
well yeah, it's a turboprop. i'm specifically asking about pistons
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>>1096065
i feel sexually attracted to this picture
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>>1098216
This is the only reasonable answer
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>>1090432
THe later, longer MD80s were hated by crews. My old man flew one for TWA, their climate control is too weak for the entire lengthened cabin, making it hot on the ground and cold up high. It has no connection to its elevators from the controls, instead they are flown with tabs that need airflow to work. Thisi s fine on the old DCs, but the longer MDs did not have the elevator authority to keep the nose up properly on approach, making a soft touchdown with a decent load neigh-impossible. He tells me he was relieved when he got switched to B727.
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>>1090630

727 is a based airframe.

Press F to pay respects
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>>1091229
Good choice
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>>1096224
That's pretty fucking cool. Good on Russian designers.

> mfw nobody has mentioned the Herc yet
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Love the way these things seem "perched" relatively high off the ground
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>>1098274
Just wait for the 797.
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>>1098309
>mfw boeing will never produce a narrowbody successor to the 737
what would they ever call it anyway
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>>1098345
the 737 MAX
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>>1098345
That r&d program already exists. It's called the New Small Aircraft. Theoretically aimed at entry into service in the 2030s.
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Hype for the MRJ!
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>>1097205
Last time i flew on these i felt like it was like being in a chicken coop. Im a midget i still felt cramped inside them
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>>1096819
They got dogshit tier landing gears tho
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>>1098621
I don't much like flying on them because the windows are misaligned and shoulder level and there's no overhead bin space and they're really starting to show their age, BUT, small planes are cute and I like watching them.
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>>1096721
Who the fuck said fighter, retard?
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>>1090432
AA 767 or 757

and i will never not be mad about the new paint job
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:(
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>tfw youll never take a pan am 747sp out of kai tak
>why even live
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>>1090432
757 etops with winglets.
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>>1094618
Lemme see your light twin burn 13 GPH total in cruise
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>>1091477
She's lots of fun, except for the ECU failures
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>Imma...Imma just leave this right here...
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>you will never fly the original flying pancake.
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>>1098239
Its cause f-35s look like they have boners tucked in their RAM jeans.
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>>1099544
what are sparks?
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>>1099658
what is helium
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>>1099691
whats is 1929?
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>>1099691
Graf Zeppelin was hydrogen-filled.
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>>1099023
>how to make the passengers shit themselves
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>>1098239
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>>1099740
lewd
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>>1099740
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>>1099740
youd think they would be able to use thrust vectoring as well with that set up but i guess it's only for take off and landing?
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What is the safest long rage private jet? And why is it the g550?

>synthetic vision
>gulfstream customer service
>never crashed
>lighter but same thrust as g6 so better engine out climbrate which is what led to the original g6 crash
>independent backup electro-hydraulics

Cons are that you cant say that youre "high like a g6"

The only other real contender is the bbj or airbus cj? Bbj has manual reversion and airbus has manual trim. Analogue engine control is also available for the bbj if you dont like fadec.
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Ive been making 10 percent a day on my bitcoin trading so I'm seriously having a debate in my head about which private jet i would buy. Part of me wants to get the non fadec bbj.
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Are falcons shit? I kinda like how they have a low horizontal stab (no deep stall) and 3 holes but there was a hardover incident semi recently and i read dassault has terrible customer service

https://news.aviation-safety.net/2016/02/15/serious-incident-report-falcon-7x-loss-of-control-after-pitch-trim-runaway/
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Super simple
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>>1099942
747VIP
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>>1099952
15k cost per flight hour plus yuuuuge hangars


i guess if im a billionaire it doesnt matter but wouldnt the a380 be better and also the a380 has independent electro hydraulic circuits for back up which might be the safest back up system, although the best would be both independent hydro electric back ups AND manual reversion although I dont know of any aircraft that has that BUT I read that the g5 does have manual reversion now?

Does the g5 have manual reversion AND independent electric hydraulics for backup?

http://www.gulfstreamcontractpilotservices.com/resources/gulfstream-library/gv-systems-3-flight-controls.php

>True or false: If a hardover is detected in the left aileron, the hardover protection system will shut down just the left aileron hydraulic sources.
>False. An aileron hardover will always shut down both sides, both sources. You are now in aileron manual reversion.

g5 safest/best?
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>>1099955
Yes but both American presidents and Chinese presidents flown on 747
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>>1099955
You'll never even be a multi millionaire, so it's a non issue.
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>>1099970
This is how nocoiners cope LOL its not too late anon if you have 16k there is a chance that if you invest it in bitcoin you will have a million in 3 years but even if it's less it certainly will be in the six digits.

>>1099958
escape hatcho?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH4BwBfkH30
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>>1099934
It only tilts down, meaning its only use for thrust vectoring would be for pulling more negative G, and the limiting factor for negative G has long since been the pilot. The rush of blood to the head and increased pressure causes brain damage. There is absolutely no need to make planes better at that than they already are when they're already capable of outright killing the pilot.
Also, seeing as it's a nozzle that needs to turn in excess of 90° it's guaranteed to be a comparatively complex and slow operation.
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>>1100034
Oh yeah ur right i guess. But i mean gee why not just make it able to tilt up as well so they can do some raptor shiit.

It's weird how DOD programs work where there is a set specification that companies match instead of just letting engineers go nuts and make what they really want.
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>>1091674
geat a small loan of a million dollars
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>>1100038

cuz the mechanism for thrust vectoring can only do ~30 degrees of range before the thrust falls off dramastically, and it also has to respond fast enough for it to actually correspond to control inputs. versus VTOL is 90 degrees and slow like flaps.

you're assuming it's like a hand that can grab backwards but it's actually more like a penis on your hand so you can get an erection while you grab things. they're separate functions. spiders move their legs by getting erections with their interstitial fluid. see, I'm not completely retarded.

interestingly it looks like the nozzle is variable geometry so evidently the asshole puckering mechanism is a lot cheaper / lighter / more reliable than the one for thrust vectoring.
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>>1100072
Honestly not bad advice. If you have a good business plan there are tons of rich guys that would love to see a return on a loan, and there is also crowd funding. No excuse for being poor in a cash rich society and low interest rates. You could just invest it in crypto and probably be fine. For example a loan into btc two weeks ago will have returned the initial invest plus 100% a couple days from now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjcIRQuCXr0
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>>1100075
>asshole puckering mechanism
Hehehehe
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The 737-900ER is one of my favorites but I love the CRJ-900 and F-15C just as much.
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>>1100858
fan diameter too small

but im inclined to thnk that the 737 is the safest airliners, partially because it is so common, partially because it has manunal backups and keeps the piloy involved

what do you guys think happened with flydubai81?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flydubai_Flight_981
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>>1101032
Pilot error, but not necessarily the pilots' fault. I'd argue the fatigue caused by crew scheduling was to blame; it was a well-known problem at FlyDubai and some of the pilots saw it coming.
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A-10. Saw a couple the other day in Estonia. MAH PENIS
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Am I the only one that things the A380 is a fat ugly piece of shit? It's impressive from an engineering standpoint but I really hate how out of proportion the cockpit windows are to the rest of the body. It's just not an aesthetic plane.
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>>1101271
literally a bus
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>>1101550
I guess that's why they call it an Airbus
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>>1101271

For such a big bus, she's remarkably graceful. I prefer traveling on an A380 rather than any twin widebody I've flown in.
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CRJ200. Just a cute little jet.
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>>1097790
Just make sure you don't fuck up like Air France 447
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>>1101675
They're cute on the outside but there's no way you enjoy sitting in that thing.
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>>1101271
>>1101550
>>1101554
>>1101593
Is the A380 the safest aircraft?

Electric backup hydraulic actuators (EBHA) allow the aircraft to fly with loss of the two main hydraulic circuits.
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Is the 737 the last aircraft that actually might not be able to be hacked, because there are non fadec engine models and they have mechanically linked and non fbw controls?

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
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>>1101982
A triple-redundant hydraulic system is pretty common nowadays.
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>>1102401
I can't believe that's a real plane, it looks so shopped
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>>1102401
>what airport u flying to?
>"harvard"
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>>1102401
ayy
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Favorite airliner

>inb4 people LARPing about Mcdonnell Douglas's safety record
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>>1102496
You too?
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Too bad it got cancelled because it doesn't look like a bomber
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>>1098947
Wing mechanism too heavy. Can't carry passengers. They should have gone with the proposal from people who actually knew their stuff.
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nice livery, hopefully they don't crash this one
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>carries up to 40 passengers
how is this even viable?
>another overcomplicated wing mechanism that brings no aerodynamic advantages
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>six engines because it looks cool, all on afterburner
enjoy your obscene ticket prices
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Sexiest racer of all time coming through
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>>1101675

I used to fly that thing at awac, it's literally the biggest piece of shit ever.
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>>1103074
i've heard nothing but bad things about the 200
i hear the 700/900 are fine jets tho
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>>1103095
Everything you've heard about that plane is true, see >>1098640
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>>1091348
Those KC 10's are unreal, I spent all night filling two of them with jet fuel last year.
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Stupid sexy Italians
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>>1101982
As long as the RR engines don't explode into un-contained shrapnel
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>>1092915
I actually havent, that looks hella good though
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>>1102111
Yeah but those "triple redundant" systems are centralized systems powered by the engines. So a failure in the hydro circuit might bleed the whole system out. Or some kind of explosion in the same place might bleed all three systems like when the dc-10 number 2 engine blew up.

The new planes like a380 have self contained, electrically powered, hydros for backups.
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>>1103553
>are centralized systems powered by the engines
What about the other engine through the PTU?
What about a DC electric pump?
What about the APU?
What about the Ram Air Turbine?

All of those are acceptable sources of power for the hydraulic systems. The picture you posted demonstrates what flight control surfaces are powered by what system, but that isn't any different from any large commercial jet. Every large jet uses the engines as the primary source of hydraulic power for all redundant systems. They can also be powered by other systems using a power transfer unit (PTU), which only transfers hydraulic power, not fluid, which is important. The backup system (yellow in this case) can be powered by the electric pump, a hand pump, or the RAT, providing hydraulic pressure for most ailerons, rudder, elevator, and the gear. See pic related.

Redundancy isn't just an A380 thing, it is an industry-wide standard with systems.
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>>1102536
didn't it get canceled because we didn't want shit like KAL 007 happening constantly?
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>>1103095
900 reminds me of the F-15s I fly on the weekends so I love it.
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>>1090432
>Tfw you're in flight school with the goal of going commercial and with your 5-10 year plan, there's still a chance that you'll get to fly an MD in passenger service if you make it to American or Delta fast enough.

Almost makes up for the fact that I'll never fly a quadjet and have to get excited about gunning for 777's instead.
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>>1098256
Ironically, these days from what I hear the guys flying at the majors still look forward to flying the MD-80 family jets because they're among the last of the hot rods of the 60's through the 80's and as such feel much sportier and more responsive to fly than the 737NGs or the A320s. Ditto for the 757.

Though from what I hear, the 787 is supposed to be a rocket, the likes of which pilots haven't seen since the 707 or the DC-8. Let's hope that MoM continues that trend.
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>>1094618
How do you like the A320 and how long have you been at it?

Also, am I a bad person for wanting to drag my fiancee across the country once I start applying to regionals so I can fly for Skywest and have a shot at flying the MRJ?
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>>1092915
>>1094513

The A350 might have been the moment when Airbus managed to out-a e s t h e t i c Boeing (the tail cone and empennage of the 300/330/340 non-withstanding)
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>>1096066
All you need to see about the 75 is this classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiv6UvYnf3s

It's always looked lithe and mean, like it's about to pounce, and on the ground, the proportions almost feel like the design was adapted from some sort of American response to the Tu-16.
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>>1096366
>When you need an aircraft that makes the GeeBee R1 look as docile and conservative as a 172.
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>>1096501
Structurally, a composite fuselage tube like on the 787 is the exact same thing, just rendered in more modern materials.

Were it ever to come to it, a 787 would likely have the same ability as a Wellington to soak up horrific structural damage and stay airworthy due to the way in which load paths work in a composite tube.
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>>1098345
The 797 is going to be so a e s t h e t i c that nobody will even begin to give two shits about the 737.
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>>1098947
>there is an alternate universe where Kennedy outsmarted the Jews and foiled their assassination attempt, rising up from the ensuing marxist/globalist purge to propel the United States into a National Socialist future free of degeneracy and championing only American strength and ambition.
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>>1103827
>in this alternate future, the desire for national achievement and self-empowerment triumphed over the forces of selfish NIMBYism and Marxist "community"/environmental activism, and SST's were welcomed into the skies of the nation as the next logical step in human transportation.
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>>1103828
>with the introduction of the 2707, the United States gains a more visible counterpart to the Apollo program, and the massive jet, a technological masterpiece the likes of which had never been seen before, stands as an awe-inspiring symbol of America's peerless technological prowess, projected to the farthest corners of the world, connecting them to the USA as if they were right next door.
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>>1103831
>In VC-35 form, the 2707 becomes an even more poignant symbol of American superiority, carrying the leader of the free world in an almost omnipresent fashion, his appearance almost resembling that of a literal god as he descends the 3-story staircase down from the biggest, fastest thing in the sky this side of a Saturn V or the Space Shuttle, festooned in the Presidential livery, its bare, polished titanium skin glowing like the biggest, most expensive piece of jewelry ever built.
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>>1103827
>>1103828
>>1103831
>>1103832

I don't always contemplate suicide, but when I do, it's because of thinking about shit like this.
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>>1096038
gawd i love the stretched DC-8s

>>1097216
>posting a nice Staggerwing
>that troll text
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>>1103811
You might get on a commercial MD-80 with Allegiant or an MD-11 if you end up with UPS or FedEx. I don't think Delta or American will have their fleets of Mad Dogs in 5-10 years.
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>>1103845
I don't think Delta or American will have their fleets of Mad Dogs in 5-10 years.

Bummer, man. I fucking love steam gauges and old, overpowered airframes.

Oh well, at least I'll have the Cseries and the 797 to look forward to...
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>>1092460

cause 777
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>>1096622
My nigga

I remember being at Heathrow in the late 90s as a kid and seeing one take off, absolutely fucking majestic
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>>1103905
What happened to concorde? I know was clashed with something, and they stopped the production then, am I right?
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>>1103906
It was expensive to operate, it was loud, there were a couple fatal crashes that ruined it in the general public's eyes. Really tragic, who knows if we'll ever see another commercial plane like it.
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>>1098947
Didn't Boeing do some testing and found out the variable wing design wouldn't work then opted for standard delta wings instead? No wonder they burned so much money without having a flyable prototype.


>>1103906
It got retired because of a mixture of the AF4590 crash and 9/11

After the AF4590 crash in 2000 the CAA mandated that Concorde's fuel tanks would have to be Kevlar lined, the electrics and undercarriage cabling would have to be more secure and special tyres developed to withstand puncture and pressure. Then after 9/11 ticket sales plummeted.

Because of all that, BA and AF retired their fleets purely down to the sheer cost of doing the upgrades and low ticket sales after. Production ended the moment the last Concorde rolled out the factory because shit loads of other airlines put in options, but none of them actually bought one
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>>1103907
>there were a couple fatal crashes
I don't know where this came from because the only fatal crash Concorde had was AF4590. Yes there were a few fuck ups here and there, Rudder becoming detached and AF54 being damaged from a blowout. But other than that, AF4590 was the only proper Concorde crash
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>>1103906
Several things made it fail commercially.
>USA got all salty after our own SST program flopped, and banned supersonic overflights thus limiting Concorde to just a few transatlantic routes
>Order numbers weren't high enough to achieve economy of scale that other airliners enjoy
>Fuel crisis hit and effects never completely went away
>As an SST, it was thirsty to begin with (no way around it really, Concorde was about as efficient as an SST could possibly be)
The crash you're referring to was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Wasn't even any fault of the Concorde itself (but a freak accident involving FOD on the runway), yet the several-year grounding and investigation was enough to kill the fleet entirely.
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>>1103845
Allegiant is converting to an all-A320 fleet.
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>>1103811
If you're still in flight school, you're not making it to a major within the next 10 years
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>>1103814
just be a man and commute
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>>1098622
what's wrong with them?
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>>1103814
>How do you like the A320 and how long have you been at it?

Just a few months in. I really like it, I flew small jets earlier and the flight deck is comfy and roomy. There are some quirks on the plane I'm trying to get familiar with but the sidestick is quite awesome. Especially on the older planes the fmgs can be a bit slow calculating shit but that's to be expected.

I get to fly 319, 320 and 321 with bigger tanks so I get pretty good variety of routes. Some holiday charters, some really short legs.. gonna bid for the long haul though


>Also, am I a bad person for wanting to drag my fiancee across the country once I start applying to regionals so I can fly for Skywest and have a shot at flying the MRJ?

all relationships are compromises. That depends if your fiancee can get work where you're dragging her

without work and workplace friends life can be dull
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>>1104065
It's not like you're ever going to see your fiance anyways once you start flying for airlines
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>>1104065
She gets sprung at the mere mention of the PNW, and she'd have no problem getting a 6 figure job in Portland or Seattle.

>>1104071
The other option was becoming a surgeon, ER doc, or anaesthesiologist. At least I'll get free flights, lol.

>>1104001
Even with all the turnover that's going to happen in the next 10 years as all the boomers age out?

>>1104002
Don't tempt me.
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>>1104111
I mean I would imagine 10 years would be the absolute minimum. You still have to get to ATP mins, go through training at a regional, get to at least PIC mins, go through upgrade training, and get a fair amount of TPIC time before a major will look at you
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>>1104071
O well I'm spending 1-5 nights in hotels a month. Thats not too bad.
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>>1104120
My goal is to get to ATP mins in 2 years' time, possibly by purchasing a used 172/152/Piper/AA5 and logging cross country hours on my days off if it takes me longer than planned to get decent full time 91 or 135 hours.

It's expensive AF, but even my captain insano budget still barely costs me more than a year of PA school, and right now the regionals that I'm aiming for (Republic, Skywest, etc) all seem desperate for butts in seats while offering FO pay that beats what a BSN makes and PiC pay that beats what a NP or a PA makes.

From what I gather, you need to expect that you'll work as an FO for 2-5 years before bumping up to PiC at the big regionals, and I'd imagine you need about the same amount of time in the left seat for the majors to take a look at you, which would give me a minimum timeframe of 7-8 years before being major material, a realistic timeframe of 10 years, and worst case of 12-15 years. Does that sound about right?

>>1104122
That's way better than I'm doing right now in my healthcare-related job. My average is two to three overnights per week, and it's been that way for the last 6 years. Like I said, at least my fiancee is used to this kind of work schedule.
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>>1103914
also:
>expensive tickets that turned off business travelers
>Extremely loud cockpit
>Cramped, outdated seats that made the flight unenjoyable
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>>1104139
>We could have had proper American SST's that would have rectified all of Concorde's halfassed europoor design choices but the hippies and (((community activists))) killed it with their Luddite NIMBY BS

Feels bad, man.
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>>1091098
>anal ivery
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>>1104139
Most passengers had their company pay for the cost of the ticket because that was the only way to really afford it.
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>>1104128
its a solid plan and i hope it works out, but long term plans in this industry dont always work out
just urging you not to base your financial future on the guarantee that you'll be at a major in 10 years, its possible but so much can happen before then
also don't forget about your multi time for ATP
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>>1101271
It would look better if it is longer
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>>1104282
I'm getting my multi as part of flight school, and my early time building is going to be built around gunning for a busy, extremely reputable 135 carrier that flies multi-engine equipment exclusively and starts hiring FO's at 500 hours with a 6 month commitment. Ideally I could have the majority of my first 1500 be multi-engine time if that works out.

And yeah, I know about the ups and downs of the industry, long-term. I just look at current travel trends/milennial lifestyles along with what cratering post-2014 oil prices have done to ticket prices (and what GTFs and clean-sheet designs will likely due to fuel burn/seat numbers over the next decade) and I have a good feeling about the overall trend. At least in the airlines, the latter day market trends and industry successes, at least in terms of passenger volumes, have actually been driven by free market forces. Furthermore, the mergers of the majors and the bankruptcies/acquisitions of 9/10ths of the smaller post-deregulation carriers has essentially created de facto airline regulation through an oligopoly protected by immensely high startup costs. That didn't exist in 2001 or in 2008.

In the worst case, I figure I can always jump back into my old, perpetually in demand, perpetually "meh"-paying job if a furlough ever hit me.
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>>1103674
Yes, because it doesn't look like a bomber, but a passenger aircraft.
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Unorthodox request but can any of you help identify the jet in this video? I don't think it's a modern Dassault, Gulfstream or Cessna.
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>>1103889
Lol boondoggle. One and a half years later and the issues with the gearbox are still unresolved.
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I'm surprised no one has talked about the 747SP.
It's such an interesting concept, taking a jumbo jet and then shortening it to look like a midget plane.

It looks like it's a knockoff plane.
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>>1104423
Taylor Swift is such a fucking cunt, she can never write about anything about how it was totally every single one of her ex's fault that her relationship failed and never hers

I hope you don't actually unironically watch her music videos
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>>1090432
The 747, it saddens me to know that by the time I'm ready to fly international it will be more or less phased out.

The Concorde and 787 are also GOAT tier.
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>>1104423
Ok it's most likely a G650.

>large engines
>circular windows
>the nose design

The only thing that's missing would be the wings but the fuselage is more than enough to call it a gulfstream.
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>>1104488
An-70 is still best prop transport. Too bad Russia/Ukraine not having their shit together killed it.
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>>1104545
Ditto for the A310. It's like an SD airplane.
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>>1104580
Thanks for the insight anon. The main reason I didn't think that is the video's windows are perfect circles as opposed to the more oblong shape in your pic. Any ideas why?
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>>1104621
its shorter than an a321.. wish there were pictures of the two side by side

ironically its very similar to the 797 concept
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>>1090432
no brainer
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>>1096171
Angry windows.
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My favorite, can't believe it wasn't posted, I can't be the only one.
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>>1098924
>he doesn't understand the F in F-117
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>>1104976

Nice. When I was younger I had one of those grocery store diecast planes of an SAS CRJ, and I had a surprising amount of fun with that.
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>>1105054

>he doesn't understand the F in F-117
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>>1105053
This was my absolute favourite when I was growing up and wanted to fly in the military. Well when I actually flew in the forces awhile I started to adore dc3 and concorde - both planes of the golden era of aviation from the civil side. Now my favourite plane is the one I'm rated in.
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Gotta love the Fokker 100
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>>1105168
I still have one (and a few more).
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>>1105053
Nah buddy I love planes with a 33% accident rate.
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>>1104634
FUGGGG anon if your still there ignore G650 post

It was a citation X
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WHEN DO WE GET SOMETHING LIKE PIC RELATED!??!

IT HAS THE PERFECT BLEND OF WIDE THICC BODY AND WINGTIP DEVICES.
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>>1107085
TayTay confirmed for a e s t h e t i c patrician-tier taste in bizjets
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>>1106923
Gotta' break some eggs to make an omelette.
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>>1107122
What the fuck
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>>1107122
Never

also
>progress
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>>1107122
Holy shit, i've never before so vociferously hated something so ugly.
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A380, B737-100 (cute plane)/200/600, B757, A330, CS300, B747, A340, A321

Favourite airline: Anything that's European+MEA ;);)
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>>1107439
>>1107383
>>1107185
OH common, who doesnt want triple winglets, an ovaloid fuselage and distributed thrust with a main fan taking advantage of the Coandă effect ON THE FUSELAGE?
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What is the cable called that goes from the dorsal fin to the rudder? Is it a control cable and did the KC-135 have a cable controlled rudder?
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>>1107806
That's an antenna.
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>>1107804
End your lsd trip right now. I swear to god if this is what the future of aviation will be i'm going to start my own company to build airliners like pic related.
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>>1108230
>not wanting to board a glorious sky whale
Oh yeah cause TUBES ARE SO EXCITING! Jesus fucking christ man where is your creativity?

And LSD is awesome.
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>>1108263
It's like a slightly less ugly Beluga




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