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>>1099381
First for post your paystub.
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Damn this little kid is still butthurt about getting BTFO months ago.
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>>1099672
I just wanna see that paystub, bud.
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Ex-Hanjin ship, now MSC. think they could have used another coat of paint
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>>1099917
That's pretty cool actually, would make a good scale modeling project.
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Are yachtfags welcome?

Oh what I would give to sail the Atlantic solo.
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>>1099465
That whale is huge
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>>1100032
Sure mang. Are you talking about personal sailboats or crewing on motor yachts?
Everything that floats is welcome in /mg/ so long as you post your paystub
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I can never figure out if I like the lines on car carriers or if I am disgusted by them. Guess it depends on the angle.
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>>1100376
>the lines on car carriers
What do you mean, like the shape?
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>>1100376
Car carriers a shit, but Japan had some pretty aesthetic railcar ferries back in the JNR era.
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>>1099681
>>1100374
>Everything that floats is welcome in /mg/ so long as you post your paystub

topkek

>>1099917
it'll probably fully repainted next time it goes to drydock.

>>1099088
yeah, I'm super lucky to be able to do it, they usually won't take an intern unless they're from a maritime college.

>>1099226
>Good luck with the gulf. I guess things have picked up a little bit down there?

I don't think it's picked up so much, but there's a few companies I've found that seem to be hiring.
Also, you're the guy who works with the tug John Parrish right?

How long have you been waiting on you AB special for now?
I'm going to school for my AB in about a month, and it's gonna really kill my vibe if NMC takes 3+ months to get my endorsements pushed through.
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>>1100548
also dumping a few recent pix
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>>1100376
RoRo are butt ugly. Too much sail area too. I watched one lose steering in a turning basin in Lagos, Nigeria in a high wind. I thought he was gonna hit our moored vessel.
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>>1100549
MV Tramper
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>>1100553
Kirby's tug Amberjack
took over this run from tug Mediterranean Sea, which was sent to layup.
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I've barely taken any pics this hitch. Just haven't been in the mood. One of those unending hitches. Home tomorrow.
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>>1100472
Yeah, it's a salty way of saying "the shape". Think it must come from a naval architects line drawings of a ship, which shows the dimensions and shape of a hull at regular intervals on the hull (stations)
Pic related
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Pic also related, better idea of what's represented
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>>1100548
Yeah, that's right. NMC actually issued my credentials a few days ago; I'm working now but the docs should be there when I get home. REC Charleston forwarded my stuff to the NMC in early June, so it took about 9 weeks. This was for AB special, Lifeboatman, and VPDSD.
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>>1100603
How long did it take to get your original?
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>>1100612
Between the REC receiving my application and the NMC issuing, only about three weeks
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>>1100612
Not sure if it still does, but the NMC website when I applied a few months ago had a warning about slow response times due to lots of applications
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This was the front page of my local paper a couple days ago. Saying that there aren't enough people to replace the upcoming retirement cliff in Washington. As someone who will need to start looking for a job soon, I feel like I should take advantage of this opportunity and get a job on the state ferry system

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/maritime-labor-headed-for-a-retirement-cliff/
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>>1100548
so why do they paint the props with anti-foul if anything id leave paint away from the props.
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>>1100376
You're disgusted by them.
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>>1100616
Thanks. I was worried it would take a long time. only need to take my drug test and I'll have everything.
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So last night I'm at good old LA 100, China Shipping, waiting to check in and work the Yang Ming Milestone. Suddenly we notice helicopters above us, like 4 or 5. Then there's a commotion and people are saying there's a guy on the dock being chased by cops.

Dude ended up climbing a crane. We all get sent home with 4 and Gos. Later in the evening he jumped and landed on the ship. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

RIP Crane Guy

http://abc7.com/man-dies-after-bizarre-chase-standoff-at-port-of-la/2315954/
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>>1100999

What is it with your port and people driving in and doing nonsense?
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>>1100999
oh shit, damn didnt he realise that he'd get badly injured.
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>>1101078
Like what else?
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>>1101101

It's OK when sure you just respawn at the hospital

>>1101119

Didn't you have some drunkard drive in and join a line of yard mules recently?
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>>1101078
muh TWIC making everything safer >>1100603
Does the coast guard require lifeboatman in order to get AB?

Also did you get any good pics of the launch they had up there this morning? I was looking for it but couldn't see anything from down here
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>>1100616
Mine has taken well over a month for what it's worth

>>1100636
It's not regular anti fowling paint, it's some specialized prop coating stuff
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is there anyone on here besides americans, no europeans use this site.
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>>1101261
oh in the Netherlands there is this stuff called propspeed.
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>>1101306

West Indian here. I am no mariner though. I just use the ferries a lot for my main business and often get thrown at the helm of a powerboat or get asked to deliver a sail boat for some fun and extra coconuts.
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>>1101308
we used to use that, we switched to some two part stuff called Velox

>>1101306
thats a nice looking little tug
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>>1101261
Rocket right to the right of those towers. You gotta zoom in.

I thought they were going to use the Marmac 304 barge to land but they ended up just landing where they launched: the air force base.

Far as lifeboatman, SeaSchool says
>all AB ratings require the mariner to complete an approved Lifeboatman (Proficiency in Survival Craft) Course.
I think you have to get it.

Meanwhile, although the Coast Guard issued my credentials almost 20 days ago, I haven't gotten anything in the mail. Bought to give them a call and see about a reissue.
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>>1101306
Hong Kong.
God damn cruise ship pass through the harbor with full size LED display every night. A bit annoying.
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>>1101577
That's pretty cool, wish I could have seen it from where we were.

Rode with the pilots again this morning, brought in the caribe legend, then took out this ship, HHL Amur.
Was able to watch our tugs work from a different perspective which was pretty cool
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>>1101594

>Caribe Legend

Make sure they load on my container gently pls.
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Is the engine room as hot as people say it is
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>>1101617
Depends on the ship really, I've been on pleasantly warm to unbearably hot. The weather also has a lot to do with it.
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>>1100512
JNR had some great looking ships, I've been meaning to visit the one that survived as a museum when I'm over there. Also has a pretty good train museum in the hold from what I understand.
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>>1101617
some are hell, but depends on where you are, some can be around 40 degrees c and they have a airconditioned control room, you be better signing up to http://www.merchant-navy.net/forum/forum.php
or Ships nostalgia, and ask the members on there they would be able to give you a perfect explanation and tell you stories of life on board.
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oh and also if you suffer with sweating and i mean bad sweating and prickly heat then engine rooms on some ships can be terrible.

and it has real dry heat in there, dries out your eyes, and they can have bad smell of oil and diesel real strong, its ok at first but after a few hours would probably get a bit on the nose, and the noise can be quite high as remember there are diesels in there and they can be loud, the worst can be the generators as they run at high revs all the time the ship or tug is running.

but anyway a good experience to have a look at.
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>>1101306
Romanian here.
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Another us navy destroyer hit by a civilian ship. A tanker off the coast of Singapore.
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>>1101308
In the aviation biz we just use prop wash. It's on the shelf, next to the spool of flight line.
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This is sorta /k/ since it's on a US Navy battleship, but I thought ya'll might be more appreciative of this gyro compass. The main unit is on the tour route, and is thus sealed up, but this auxiliary hidden away back aft has some panels open. The guts are pretty neat to look at.
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>>1102034

Is there some kind of conspiracy going on?
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>>1103008
The Chinese are paying these ships to ram the American ones in order to embarrass us
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>>1103008

There's allegations the chinese are pulling off radar hacks, in the same vein as the israelis did to lebanese operated russian AA radar which appeared to cloak/disguise/hide conventional fighters. For a conventional nav radar, this is certainly possible, and while AEGIS should be hardend against EW hacks if it's older more analog models they might be vulnerable to modern hacks (though why would it even be running in a crowded seaway in a objectively safe EEZ...).

But it's probably overworked undermanned crews (3 shift on a 4 shift design) that lost situational awareness.
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brought my DSLR out for a job

Tug Teresa / Barge Acadia
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>>1103170
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>>1101306
Danish here.
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>>1101229
>Didn't you have some drunkard drive in and join a line of yard mules recently?
No. Where'd you read tgat?
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>>1101229
>reddit spacing
Get out, loser
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>>1103017
you should read r/navy.

all the ships are at sea with 70% crews. no one sleeps more than 6 hours, 4 hours is more typical. shifts are 6 hours on, 6 hours off but have to do other stuff, 6 hours on, 6 hours off and can actually try to sleep. They blow the fucking Bouson's whistle all over the ship for everything at all times of the day. in port they are putting in 18 hour work day or more.
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>>1103301
>blow the fucking Bouson's whistle all over the ship for everything at all times of the day

Fuck, we had a real old captain on the tug and he would ring the general alarm, I would scramble out of bed and up to the wheelhouse, and it would turn out he couldn't find the other deckhand and wanted a fucking sandwich or something. Made me want to pick him up and throw him in the river.
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Can anyone recommend a good MMC/passport protector?

I know someone who has pic related but some reviews online say the hinge breaks easily.
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>>1104179
A sandwich bag
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>>1104179
Small pelican case
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>>1104224
Part of the reason I want a case is so I can throw it in a bag and not worry about the mmc getting all bent

>>1104244
I'll check that out, thanks
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>>1103393

And you didn't report him?
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>>1100552
>>1100553
Had her besides us in las palmas, thought it kinda looked like an oversized toy
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>>1101306
Finland
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>>1104687
:D BENIS
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When is the best time to be on the water, and why is it early September?
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>>1104898
50-65 degree weather is maximum /comfy/
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>>1104686
that class is so small it's hilarious, they handle pretty good though.
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>>1104903
Also comfy: midnight watch during winter with no work. Heaters on full blast, watching the snow fall over the boat, drinking something warm
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>>1104898
WHERE IS THE CHAIR?
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>>1105379
Uncropped version. The chair survives.
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>>1105446
looks like he's had a rough week, a lot of 12 hour watches?
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>>1100032
Do it. It's worth it.
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I hope Tropicobro is ok. Hurricane Irma coming through his neck of the woods.
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>>1106147

Thanks senpai.

I am far enough south to avoid the actual hurricane and I double checked the stock on the shelter I manage last week.

I am supposed to ferry over to the main island tomorrow for some work but this evening the docks are taking some licks.

Tropical storm Jose is threatening now, there is no such thing as a break.

Pls pray for tugfag
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>>1106147
>>1106176
I'll be riding it out on the boat like I did with matthew.

I'll post updates as long as I've got cell phone service
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Heard being a deck officer is a decent path
Do I really need to go to school for 4 years though?
Only 23 but basically dropped out college years ago and have been doing shitty part time stuff since
I like the idea of the job since it seems to fit my temperament but trying to go back to school for 4 years now seems off putting (not to mention probably couldn't afford it)
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>>1106659
You can start at the bottom and work your way up to be an officer. Will take maybe 5 years
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>>1106659
NY brother was sort of in your position. Graduated from a state school with a degree in philosophy, then spent his 20s farting around and living on meager restaurant paychecks. Convinced him to get into maritime academy, think he started at 29. With his previous coursework he's able to do the program in 3.5 years. About to graduate this December, early thirties has a job waiting for him in the other side. Never too late boss. Unless you're like, 50.
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>>1106671
It's much harder to do that nowadays with STCW bullshit. And unless your company pays for your STCW certs, it's probably more expensive that way too.
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Biggest ship to ever call on NYC arrived this morning. CMA CGM Theodore Roosevelt. 1200'Lx160'B, 15000 TEU.
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>>1106753
Megaships haven't been able to call on NYC because the Bayonne Bridge didn't have the clearance to fit them, and it sits between the container terminals and sea. The project to raise the bridge to 215 feet was recently completed
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>>1106754
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>>1106659

UKfag here, I trained as a deck officer it wasn't 4 years at college for me, I can hardly remember the training though, it was like 3 months college -> 9 months at sea -> 6 months at college -> year at sea -> final college phase -> oral exam -> back to sea until you rack up enough sea time for your next ticket.

I'm no longer working at sea any more though found the lifestyle a struggle. Also looking back I personally wish I'd trained as a marine engineer instead of training as a deck officer I always found the engineroom much more fascinating than anything the deck department looked after and wished I could have got involved more in that.

You're also a pretty good age to get into it, when I went to college the majority of other students were in their early to late 20's with outliers on either side, had some much older and some as young as 16.
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>>1106832
>Also looking back I personally wish I'd trained as a marine engineer

Same here. High pay, challenging work, and you can step off the boat and into a shoreside powerplant whenever you want to get off the seas.
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>>1106754
Nice!
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Here's the T Roosevelt passing our yard, heading to sea, casually blocking out the horizon. What a behemoth.
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>>1106959
THICC
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Any advice for an engine cadet here?
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>>1107034

You want some advice?

Make money twice.
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>>1106959
Any chance you could find a pic of it being worked? I want to see how many cranes they order for that bitch.
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>>1107056
Just three this time around. Given that she's stacked to the rim with CMA boxes, this is more of a publicity run than anything. Probably had the actual cargo on the interior racks.
She was the largest ship to transit the panama canal last month, and the largest to call on NYC. One of our tugs was carrying company reps observing. The ship came in, went all the way up to the Battery at the tip of Manhattan, then backed all the way down because she was too large to spin around, before proceeding in to berth.
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Status update, we're still alive

Tied up next to Kirby's tug Amberjack and their barge Jonathan, standing by to assist them if they have any problems when the winds pick up
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>>1107372
Better shot of the Amberjack
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>>1107386
Sunset this evening

https://youtu.be/g9ppu7QIbwQ

Short video I took from the barge
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>>1107449
Status update, we're still bouncing around out here.
Had a water pump on one of the Franks generators go out, so we had to replace it, also had a line bust on the Capt. Bud so I replaced that.

So far so good though, could have been a lot worse
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Making friends
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>>1107743
More friends! Ft night vision
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Just passed motorman qualification. In two years I will be qualifying for 3rd Assistant Engineer.
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>>1100625
The two guys in this picture are actually cadets that go to my academy.. never thought I'd actually see my buds on 4chan.
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Im 25 with a shit degree and a deadend job, should I take to the high seas?
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>>1108562
That a former Crowley tug?
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>>1108675
No it's an Alaska Marine Lines tug run by Dunlap Towing. It's inbound honolulu with a box barge.

Tugfag I've seen you in a number of these /mg threads. What region do you work out of? What type of tugs?

Pic is of a navy plane that buzzed us a few times on our way out of Honolulu. Right after he banked to the west and disappeared into the horizon. Still don't know what that was all about.. didn't hear anything on 16 about anything unusual.

Anyone got any good sea stories?
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>>1108699
I work on harbor tugs out of the Port of Palm Beach, FL
It's a small company with three tugs.

Pic unrelated, it's one of the sailboats that drifted into the slip during the hurricane and sank.
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What are the ramifications of the IMO's ballast water convention coming into force for shipping?

Do you have to learn to operate new systems, they just run themselves, etc.?
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Wanna race!?
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>tfw 99 days around the world

Took the Liberty Passion around the world as her 3/M. Shit was rough; car carriers are very hectic in port. I got two hours shore time in the entire voyage.

Did get my Order of Magellan, though.
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>>1109528
3/M eh?
Academy or hawspipe?

I'm a senior at Cal maritime at the moment. How much will I be hated on my first ship just for being a fresh academy grad? I've heard some horror stories.
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>>1109547
Academy. As long as you're humble and don't act like you're God's Gift to the oceans, you'll be fine. The captain won't appreciate a know-it-all and your ABs will instantly be able to tell if you're a fake.

Don't join AMO, though. To call them shady is an insult to trees everywhere.
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>Fuck this ship in particular
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>>1109528
What's your hitch like? 8 or 12 hour watch?

>>1109622
Why?
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>>1109753
4 on, 8 off at sea. 6&6 in port, and when the chief mate needs to do ballast at sea.

And because it's a ship sailing through a very localized squall. It's just a joke m8.
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Is a union a good idea or am I better of getting hired directly?
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>>1109876
Join the union while you look around for direct hires.
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>>1109876
I've thought about it myself but it's hard to know if it'd be worth it. I'd have to either quit my job and move to an SIU city, or buy a hotel room for two weeks at a time in between hitches. And I have no idea if I'd even have a chance of landing something as a new AB. My impression is that there isn't a lot of work right now. I tried to get some advice from them but they weren't very forthcoming. I guess they favor Piney Point graduates, and as good an opportunity as Piney Point is, I don't really want to go back to school.

I visited a West coast union a year ago and they were much more encouraging and willing to talk, although they were kind of pushing their own deckhand school too. Still, I'm considering moving out there next year, trying to either get something through the union or as other anon said, as a direct hire. I feel more optimistic now that I have my AB, but the workings of this industry still seem kind of hush hush and I feel like I'm flying kind of blind.
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>>1106745
I just don't really think starting over for 4 years would be for me

>>1106832
I'm sure how it works here in the US but I think you need to go college for the nice deck/officer jobs
I know I'm not made for the heavy manual labors either
Are there other jobs on ships near shore that don't require college?
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>>1109942
It's a little different than that. Admittedly, their job call process sucks (If you're a C Book, you have to wait for a job to go all-ports at least twice before you get a shot at it), but right now they are seriously hurting for crew, to the point that the SIU patrolman in Houston was going to TMA to see if any of the cadets there wanted to work as an AB over the summer. Loads of jobs on the board. The hotel thing is legit the way to go, though. One of the biggest advantages of this industry is how you can live wherever you want and still get work.

Going to Piney Point doesn't really give you a leg up; a guy who got his AB through their apprentice program would still have a C-Book just like you. The main benefit is the quality of training, and how it lets you try out all three departments so you can make an educated choice in where you want to work. Piney Point is also where you go to get further certification/training once you're an SIU member.

The last thing is whatever you do, do NOT go to their Jacksonville hall. They're a bunch of twofaced backstabbing fucks there, to the point that even other SIU members can see how shady they are. There are plenty of stories of all the stupid shit they'll do to get a job over one another.

>t. MEBA mate who spent hours comparing unions with his watch partner during a voyage
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>>1110012
SIU doesn't deal with any of the OSV companies in the gulf right?
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anyone have access to BUC or know where I can not have to pay for it? surveyor lowballed me


also waiting for MMC is hell, fells like it has been much longer than a month, not that my boat will be operational again soon
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>>1110012
How's MEBA senpai?
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>>1110504
I don't think so. I don't think any of those guys are union. Only company that I know off the top of my head that's based in the Gulf and has a SIU contract is G&H Towing. Don't quote me on that, though.

>>1110539
Very nice. I got a sailing job about a month after I joined while a lot of my fellow cadets were still waiting to get a shot on an OSV. MEBA might only have like 7 or 8 ships with deck contracts, but it's a very friendly union and very much on your side. Job call is very open (and not backdoor shipping as fuck like AMO), and I think it's safe to say MEBA is the "best" of all the unions in the industry. They're on the level, they don't strike, and they still have a pension plan on top of medical benefits.
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By the way, since it was a car carrier, I did a thread on /o/ talking about my voyage and posting pictures/video from it.

>>>/o/17894948
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>>1110552
>they don't strike
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>>1110568
They don't. They DO picket (and find themselves doing it constantly against Liberty) but they don't walk off the job. It means you don't have to worry about that over your head, and it means that their reputation is completely on the level.

They represent most of the engineers in the US flag fleet so they have other ways of holding companies by the balls.
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>How old do they take new people in the the maritime field?
>Any apprentice programs, scholarships, etc to make it a little cheaper to get into?


I don't mind traveling, I don't need internet 24/7, or being away for months at a time.
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>Your credential has been issued and mailed
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>>1110012
Hey, thanks for the insight!

I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that there's some demand right now for ABs, and that Piney Point isn't critical.

Man, what you said about the Jacksonville hall made me laugh, because guess where I just went. Maybe explains why I didn't have the greatest experience.

Thinking maybe I should try Houston. I have an AB Special, Lifeboatman, VPDSD, and BT. Think I'd stand a chance of landing something within two weeks?
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>>1111063
Fuck yeah, dude
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>>1111157
>Thinking maybe I should try Houston. I have an AB Special, Lifeboatman, VPDSD, and BT. Think I'd stand a chance of landing something within two weeks?

Possibly. While I did have some insight into the SIU, I'm not a member, so I don't know what's on the board now. It's worth checking out, though, and once you're a member you can call the other halls and ask about shipping there.

And yeah, Jacksonville is pretty shit. My watch partner talked about how normally you can call a hall and ask them how shipping is, and they'll tell you. ("Yeah, shipping's good here, we're sending lots of people out/Nah, it isn't too hot, not many jobs on the board") He called Jacksonville once and got
>"Yeah? What do you want?"
>"I'm a member, and I'm trying to find out how shipping is at your hall..."
>"Why don't you come in and see?" *slam*
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>>1110652
>How old do they take new people in the the maritime field?
No upper limit, as long as you can pass the Coast Guard physical.

>Any apprentice programs, scholarships, etc to make it a little cheaper to get into?
Depends. Do you want to work as a licensed officer or unlicensed? Different programs for each.
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>>1111199

>"Why don't you come in and see?" *slam*

Sounds like my kind of scab
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>>1111229
This is also the hall where members pull guns on each other.
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>>1111239

I guess it's a throw back to when the unions were first established.
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>>1111239
God bless Florida.
>>1111157
What is that tug you guys are tied up to?
Saw a tug towing a barge with a similar cargo the other day
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It won't be possible to work on a ship/tug without some sort of sea-faring degree or certification, right? I've looked for a few places in Miami, Palm Beach, even in NJ that may hire people to take to the high seas to no avail.

I'm 29, on my way toward being a teacher but would rather the salt life.
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>>1111345
the basic ratings (wiper and ordinary seaman) don't require any sea time, but they do need other paperwork like first aid training, proof of citizenship, criminal history, medical fitness blah blah

whether that is enough to get you a job or a job you want to do, i dont know
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>>1111199
Hah, sounds pretty similar to my experience. Here's hoping they're the exception. Appreciate your responses.

>>1111322
That's a triple screw tug of Marquette's called Miss Gloria. Looked pretty beastly. Dredge Virginian and scow in background.
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>>1111370
knew those colors looked familiar, saw their other boat Miss Callie Cate go by a few days ago, she was towing a deck barge with some big cargo of some sort on it. couldn't make out exactly what it was though.

>>1111345
like >>1111357 said, get your paperwork first, like 90% of companies won't hire you without that at all.
as far as tugs go, Moran has tractors in Miami, they *may* be hiring, according to a buddy it's a really good gig down there. Kirby runs a few tugs who manage the bunker barges, P&L Towing works the Miami River as well as at least one other company whose name I do not know.
Lauderdale has Seabulk towing and McAllister that run tractors, and Kirby who again runs bunker barges. Seabulk may also be hiring, they supposedly don't update their website often with job postings.

Palm Beach isn't hiring

Ft. Pierce has two companies, Beyel Bros, and McCulley Marine. Both companies run barges and other offshore stuff

there's plenty of other companies in Florida that I didn't list as well

tl;dr, get your paperwork then spam your resume everywhere

once you're in the industry you'll eventually learn a lot more and figure out what you like/what kind of tonnage or department you eventually want to work in.
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>>1111322

Talking about barges.

We had two barges turned back from st.maarten due to hurricane Maria the other day. They were supposed to deliver donated relief items to st.maarten. Even all the ferries pulled off the dock because the swell was so bad and we are a hundred and change miles away from the eye.

I had a buddy of mine in Dominica (Not Dom Rep) say that shit was really bad and ceased communication. I have a feeling he lost some family.

We are now gathering items to help Dominica as it is so bad that even their hospitals have lost power and got wrecked.
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>>1111357
>>1111443

Thanks bros.
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>>1112396
Whos barge is that? Don't recognize the logo
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>>1111449

Man, Caribbean got rekt. How is everyone holding up? Will it be busy for a bit, then a whole lot of no work for a while?
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>>1112489
I had to google it but apparently a logistics company called Trailer Bridge. This was around Blount Island on the St. John's.
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>>1101306
Norway
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>>1112550
never heard of them. Do they use their own tugs?
That barge looks nearly identical to the ones Crowley has.
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>>1112647
Not sure. Maybe Crowley really does own it? IIRC there were a bunch of Crowley vessels nearby
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Gaahhhh I was too slow to react and missed the fall entry for just about every program. Are there any schools that dont start in the fall or should I just find a job? I want to join the engine department but there doesn't seem to be a way in without starting with schooling.
US btw
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>>1113485
Get MMC with OS, Wiper, then put out a resume/application
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>>1113622
Do I even have a chance?
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>>1113665
uh, yeah?
i got this job with zero experience, quit being a fag and take some initiative.
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Book recs? I'm about to read pic related, partly to help me understand my job better but mostly just for fun. Also, a friend gave me a cool little book called "How to Read Water," which is a sort of amateur guide to gleaning information from observing water.
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>tfw
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>>1113700
https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Bar-Adventures-Francisco-Pilot/dp/1944824006#reader_B01H0826TW
I've been thinking of picking this one up.
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>got a food handler endorsement while neither asking for it nor meeting the requirements

all faith in the nmc=lost
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>>1114298
I think literally everyone gets that.

>ever having faith in the NMC
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Coast Guard has released their report on the El Faro.

>http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article176430476.html

tl;dr, TOTE are a bunch of cheapskate murdering bastards who didn't care about their ship and made their crewmembers regularly ignore the Manila Agreement, and the Captain got his ship sunk through his own stupidity ignoring his officers.

Nothing we didn't already know (except maybe the Manila part), but it's good to see the Coast Guard say it so plainly.
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Best meets the best.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2113731/china-urges-calm-north-korea-us-flexes-military-muscle
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>>1114832
Cool shot
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>>1114832
>>1114876
*teleports behind u*
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Taken today
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>>1115203
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>>1115204

Fucking iPhone
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>>1115205
Are you the same guy who posts on pol and trs?
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>>1115215

>/pol/

Yes

>trs

Hell no, The Daily Shoah is shit-tier except for Morrakiu and the Merchant Minute.
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>178 posts later and still no pay stubs

Wow...
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>>1115516
kek
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>>1115516

>imblyign anyone except a yard mule driver in LA/LB makes enough money to show off
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>>1115754
>yard mule driver in LA/LB
god I wish that were me
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>>1115928

But there you are in fort Lauderdale sending shit to me.
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>>1115948
I don't work out of lauderdale friendo
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Any American deck officers/engineers here? What are the chances of getting an internship with an American cruise company as a foreign student of a maritime institute?
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>>1116181
>American cruise company
No such thing.
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>>1116262
Take Disney cruises for example. Their ships might not sail under an American flag, but the company is still American.
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>>1116306
Disney hires foreign, so you're more likely than someone from the US. The only actual US cruise ships are river cruises that are mostly union IIRC.
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>>1115203
Is she the one that lost a prop shaft coming back from china a few years back? I had a buddy on her when that happened.
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Anyone got any good console decorations? The hula girl collection is slowly growing, but the rear view mirror seems to have gone missing.
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Dublin, some time in August. Also saw HHL Kobe in Fenit that month but didn't take photos
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>>1116327

Naked Hula girl
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>>1116262
Not exactly
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So maybe you guys can help me figure some shit out.
My grandfather worked for Japan Line in San Pedro CA and as a child I remember using the notepads (with a seal on them) they gave him to draw on. Can't find any info if the company is still around or went under/bought out. Ships under a new flag? Only found one fan blog and all the external links on it are dead.

Also we still have some models of the vessels that he was given if they're actually worth anything, doubtful...
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>>1116564
Do you have a picture of the models, or a name of the ship? There are a few older Japanese shipping lines, such as NYK, MOL, OSK, K line, ect. The stack colors also are a good indicator of what shipping line they were.
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>>1116573
Ah shit, sorry. They're at my grandmother's so I don't have access to them 30 minutes away.
But I remember they were like black and red. Some were grayish/blue and red. Tanker looking ships with big pillars all around.
But again, the name of the company itself was Japan Line. Searching it up on google does bring up NYK but I can be certain it is unrelated since it does not contain any details of "japan line" itself.
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>>1116581
That does sounds like NYK line. They had ships with black or greyish blue hulls, and are still a major shipper today. NYK is an abbreviation for Nippon Yusen Kaisha, which actually translates to Japan Mail Line. Their ships have black funnels with red and white stripes. If you ever visit Yokohama, Japan they actually have a very nice museum dedicated to the history of the shipping line with huge models of the ships, and even have one of the 1930's passenger ships preserved as a museum you can visit.
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>>1116601
Wait, no I had to switch to searching in Japanese but I found it! I'd never heard of it before, but it seems it was pretty involved in in the tanker trade from the 60's to the late 80's. http://japanlinevessels.blogspot.com/
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Seems the Line merged into Mitsui O.S.K. Lines, which is now MOL.
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>>1116605
>>1116606
>1986 the company, close to bankruptcy, appealed to its creditor banks for help. Three years later Japan Line was acquired by Yamashita-Shinnihon Steamship Company, the two companies merging to become Navix Line. Navix in turn merged with Mitsui O.S.K. Lines

Cool, thanks a lot dude.
Legit first time I've seen quick replies from this thread instead of three week differences.
Sorry for deleting my last post.
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>>1116607
No worries, I realized I got NYK colors mixed up with MOL colors, so I deleted one of my replies earlier as well. Sadly MOL doesn't have their own museum, and seems mostly uninterested in their history compared, to NYK, but hopefully there will be some info out there. If you can figure out the Japanese name for the company there tends to be a lot more info.
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>>1116317
I thought there was one particular ship from Carnival that ran an American crew. Dunno, could be misremembering
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>>1116627
Found it. Norwegian Cruise Lines runs the Pride Of America, biggest Jones Act cruise ship. Island hopping cruises in Hawaii
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>>1116628
Cruise ships are more governed by the Passenger Vessel Services Act than the Jones Act. I was a cadet on her. Lots of foreigners, even there.
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>>1116628
>Lots of foreigners, even there.
How does that work exactly? Do the foreigners work under a visa?
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>>1116782
Not sure what the official rules are, but I know almost all the QMEDs I've worked with on US ships have been foreign. From what I understand Jones Act covers just the Officers.
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A few from today and yesterday.
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>>1117121
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>>1117122
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>>1117123
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so what is to be done about international shipping emissions?

average cruise ship, container, bulk, tanker does a 1,000,000 cars of pollution a day.
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>>1118190
And how many trucks does a container ship take off the road?
And where are you getting a million cars?
Are you telling me that 250 container ships pollute as much as every car and truck in the USA?
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>>1118208
where does a container ship directly compete with a fleet of trucks?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/pollution-cruise-ships-po-oceana-higher-piccadilly-circus-channel-4-dispatches-a7821911.html

ship fuel oil is dirty nasty shit compared to road or even train diesel.

ship emissions are barely regulated or even thought of.

the only way to cut back ship emissions is to reduce the demand or to go nuclear.
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>>1118280
Nuclear would actually be a really good alternative for cruise ships. too bad environmentalists will never go for it. Better to spew harmful pollutants into the air.
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>>1118316
I agree that nuclear ships are/would be awesomez but it's more shippers than anything. Nuclear ships are expensive as fuck to commission, operate, crew, maintain, and decomission. Can't just run a nuclear powered ship up on the beach of a Turkish ship breaker. Much cheaper to drop a low speed diesel in the hull.
Also, not for nothing, ships sink. Ships run aground, catch on fire, and collide with one another all the fucking time. I'm all for alternative solutions, but fission plants in ships ain't it.

>>1118280
>ship emissions are barely regulated or even thought of.
>t. Normie

Ship pollution is a serious issue that is considered and is/will be further regulated by the IMO in the future. I've seen that million-car comparison so often and it is a misunderstood figure. Right now the shipping industry is responsible for ~2.5% of CO2 emissions globally.
The big problem with bunker fuels is that they are high in sulfur. This causes the disproportionately high levels of pollution in sulfur and nitrogen dioxides, contributing to smog and acid rain. Most North American and European ports now bunker only with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. Further fuel restrictions are coming down the pipe from the IMO in 2020
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>>1118454
how do you feel about LNG/CNG powered ships?

the emissions would be a significantly cleaner. no special decommissioning.
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>>1118694
I'm really all for it. It's a cleaner, more abundant resource. The stumbling block right now is storage and delivery infrastructure in ports, let alone adoption of the propulsion aboard ships. It's sort of a catch 22. Systems won't be put on new builds until there's refueling capabilities in port, and those won't be built until there's demand from shippers.
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I got hired on as an OS for a tugboat company!

Starting soon. 30 days on, 30 off.

Any advice or input?
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>>1118783
Look, listen, learn. Adhere to gut instincts, don't do something if it feels stupid or dangerous. Learn from experienced guys on your boat, and do the job the way they do it. As you move around from boat to boat, you'll learn different variations on how to do the work. Remember that one of the most annoying things you can say is "Well, captain so-and-so does it this way".

Also, bring donuts on your first day
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>>1118786
*Good* donuts. Dunkin' doesn't count.
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>>1118777
so government needs to get the port companies(owned by arabs in a lot of western cities) , and the shipping companies to come together. pony up some cash for CNG/lng fueling in the ports. so that the shipping companies will then buy some cng/lng ships.
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>>1118786
>Also, bring donuts on your first day
Why's that?
Feels shady to me, as in attempting to get approval from guys I ain't even cool with yet.

I've been deckhanding and small boat operating for the last year. Primarily booming ops, and a few salvages.

I'm trying to learn as much as I can to prepare myself, so I won't be stressing.

>What're the little things to do and pay attention to?
>What hitches, knots, and splices should I know?
I'm experienced with basic seamanship knots..bowline, sheetbends, clove hitches, figure 8's, and just a few others.
>What's day-to-day typically like?
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>>1118969
Not shitting with you on the donuts. At least on the east coast, it was always cool for the new guy to bring donuts and a couple newspapers (of course, I was that guy when newspapers were still desired). It's an icebreaker. No one's going to harsh on the new guy for bringing donuts.

Sound like you're pretty good as far as seamanship goes. Figure 8s, bowlines and cloves will get you through 90% of your work. Practice your three strand eye splices and back splices, monkeys fist. You'll definitely need to learn eight strand splicing for your barge and ship lines. Company will probably have a video/training or guide on board, at least.

>little things
You'll basically be living in a small, noisy apartment with four or five other guys for extended periods. Be a good roommate. Clean up after yourself, stay hygenic, don't leave work for someone else. Ask how the crew likes their coffee before brewing it.
>day to day
Deckhand routines are cleaning, maintenance/chipping, cooking and deck work when it arises.
As the FNG, nothing much will be expected of you, so it's easy to exceed expectations and make an impression. If you're training/extra man, offer to take the load off the deckhands with cleaning, ask for advice on maintenance, get up to watch the work if you're off watch. Too many new guys/cadets come through on my boat and just slack, like they're along for the ride and free pay. Don't be that guy. Enthusiasm for the job and earnest attempts to learn and practice will be met in kind, every time.
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>>1119068
Hell yeah man. I appreciate it.

>What's your rate?
>How do you see tugs as a career or as a family man?
As an OS, i'll be making $225 a day. Once I get my AB, it'll go up "considerably"
>How are these rates, compared to elsewhere?
>What mariner courses should I take?
I was going to take a tankerman course this month, but work wouldn't give me the week off to do it.
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>>1119070
I'm a mate in NYC, rate is $575/day. At my company, OS is 330/day, AB is 355/day. NYC rates are the highest on the east coast. The further south you go, the lower the rates get with few exceptions. I make more than a captain in Jacksonville, for example.

$225/day for a green OS is good, I don't know average west coast rates, though.

You really can't beat tugs/maritime industry as a blue collar way to step up in life. Excellent pay, equal time off, it's pretty great. I'll have to get back to you in a few years about family life. Have my first on the way this February. I always told myself I'd go shore side when family came to be, but here I am still. It's just too hard to accept at least a 50% paycut and go from 180 vacation days a year to 14. Gilded cage, and all that.

As for courses, what are your goals in the industry? Want to get into the wheelhouse? Work a barge? Engine room? If the company will pay extra once you have your tankerman, go for it. If bot, hold off. Just buckle dowb and get your sea time in, then take an AB course.
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>>1119078
Good fucking Lord I was planning to start really soon too (just got my original) and was planning on asking for 130
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>>1119086
I feel you man, I just spent two years making about 150/day as an OS in Georgia.
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>>1100625
People are hungry for jobs right now, shouldn't have much problem replacing the workforce.
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>>1100625
i'd have to live in washington. which i'm not doing until setac/king county is destroyed by volcano, earthquake, tsunami.
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>>1110569
As it turns out, I was wrong. They CAN strike, they're just limited by their bylaws until near the end of a contract.
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>>1119078
>As for courses, what are your goals in the industry? Want to get into the wheelhouse? Work a barge? Engine room?
Any of it sounds good.
I like drivin' boats, turning wrenches, lifting heavy shit.
Happy either way, as long as I'm making a good living and on the water.

>>1120154
I know a lot of guys who've applied for the ferries. On-call work at first, and gotta get in through the Inland Boater's Union.
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>>1118454
Ice breakers, submarines, and aircraft carriers have been nuclear powered for decades, with no incidents. Nuclear is so much safer than environmentalists make it out to be it's ridiculous. Obviously some thought would need to be put into the implementation, but nothing remotely insurmountable.
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>>1121016
It would still be expensive for initial capital.
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>>1121016
Plenty of environmentalists are pro nuclear. Everyone under that title can't be defined so clearly
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>>1122198
You're right. It'd be more accurate to say environmental extremists like the GreenPeace crowd.
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>>1122233

>Greenpeace.
>extremist

Now who is being naïve?
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>>1122401
Not really extremist, but they're a shitty for profit business now. Whatever good intentions they once may have had are now long replaced by the desire for profits.
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>>1122401
>anti nuclear let's all live in huts
>not extremist
You are.
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>>1122401
Greenpeace can be seen as responsible for a lot of the issues we have today. Their anti-nuclear campaigns we're so effective that the western world lowered and then stopped building almost entirely.

For the second half of the twentieth century, we became increasingly dependent on coal and oil fired electricity instead of nuclear. Coal, incidentally, releases more radiation into the atmosphere and is attributed to 30,000 deaths per year(mainly respiratory disease). The additional release of greenhouse gasses goes without saying. Our older nuclear plants using old technology were never retired and replaced because we couldn't afford to lose the energy production and regulations made replacement cost prohibitive, or outlawed completely. Fukashima wouldn't have occurred with a modern plant.


So, Greenpeace, thanks for killing us all.
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Video I shot from earlier this year of a ship going into the Miraflores Locks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qy0cQqJd9I
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I didn't know there were maritime threads on 4chan, I'm usually on other boards. This is awesome.
Here's a thicc ship for you all
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>>1123054
same guy, here are some other cool pictures
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>>1123055
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Took a class with a guy that was going from East coast USA to Sydney on a sailboat through Panama canal and he said that he would have to walk 2 miles on land to convert his dollarydoos to panamabucks because the canal only takes Panamanian currency and in cash. Is that true or does he not know what he's talking about?
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>>1123074
sounds like he's either stupid or pulling your leg, but the bit about hiking is stupid because he can just get his currency exchanged before his trip the same way every international traveler ever has done.
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>>1123074
I don't know for sure, but it makes sense with the nationality differences in ship owners/crew/flagging to put the responsibility on the ship to pay in the local currency. That said, everything is probably done via electronic transfers anyway for major companies.

Why doesn't he just convert the passage fee before he sets off, or when he leaves his last port before the canal? Why is he acting like a four mile walk is so dramatic? He sounds like a typical blowboater.
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>>1123074
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Panama Canal fees are all paid in dollars.
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>>1123357
Really? Damn. All I have are these pieces of eight.
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>>1123102
>>1123103
In addition to the dollar being the general international business currency, and the Panama Canal being a former American possession, in Panama their currency is pegged 1-for-1 to the dollar. The dollar is also legal tender in Panama. Also, with Panama Canal taxes running in the tens of thousands of dollars and slots being bought months in advance, nobody pays that shit in cash. Brokers do it with wire transfer before the ship even gets to Panama.

Faggot was talking big trying to impress people with shit he didn't know about.
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I'm so confused about 1.5 seatime.
From what I understand, if you work 2 shifts and they add up to 12 hours a day (like a 6 on 6 off) then it counts as 1.5 days. Does working one 12 hour shift count as 1 or 1.5? Why would they bother if the standard work day is 12 hours?
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>>1123535
If your boat practices a 12 hour day and you work a 12 hour day, you can claim 1.5 sea days per working day, period. Doesn't matter if its 12/12, 6 and 6, hell, 12 one hour shifts. Work twelve hours in a day, get 1.5 sea days
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>>1123535
The """standard""" workday is 8 hours.
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>>1123774
lots of people work more than that. who sets the "standard" workday?
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>>1123730
So THAT'S why Liberty capped OT at 3 hours per day.

Shit, now I wish I had tracked which days I worked 6&6 on.
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>>1123781
Why, the USCG, in their infinite wisdom.
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>>1123781
>>1123823
>>1123774
It's based on the concept of two 4 hour watches in a day.
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>>1123825
I've only ever worked on one tug that held a 4 and 8. My god, what luxury.
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>>1123535
Tl;dr if you’re on a tug doing two six hour watches in a 24 hour period it counts as a day and a half
If you’re on an OSV or crewboat doing 12 hour watches it’s also a day and a half
Here’s some links straight from the NMC if you want some more clarification

http://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/professional_qualifications/crediting_sea_service.pdf

http://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/professional_qualifications/time_half_credit.pdf

Based off my experience they don’t seem to be super strict with it either.
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How does the US get by with only 2 ancient oil burning ice breakers?

shouldn't we build new ones, that are nuclear powered?
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Working with a much-older crewmate that's made some pretty creepy, homo jokes towards me. Anyone dealt with similar? I'm planning on waiting till he makes another joke and then telling him he's creeping me out.
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>>1124137
because the coast guard gets shit for funding
we have a shitload of privately owned ice breakers, there's currently a battle for the coast guard to lease an Edison Chouest icebreaking AHTS while they build a new one

pic related
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>>1124148
>he doesn't want a sea daddy

Not gay when you're underway.
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how should I choose what crew to hire?
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>>1124605
Hire me
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>>1124605
Hire the crew that sends you a pic of their paystubs.
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>>1124607
ok, do you mind making pennies a day until season starts

>>1124613
that would only work if their paystubs were sufficiently low

i was thinking whoever could freeclimb the mast fastest
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>>1124615
I'll freeclimb your mast if you know what I mean ;)
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>>1124605
Whats your boat?
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how much did some of you pay for your AB courses?
School in lauderdale is charging ~2700 for CG approved AB, RFPNW, and lifeboatman courses

am i getting fucked or is that about the norm?
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New to the Maritime General, can super yacht fags play? Pic related. Might even get in a pay stub at some point.
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>>1125017
Aw yeah. Not working on yachts out of school is something I regret
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There's nothing much comfier than waiting out a northerly gale at anchor.
Very, very comfy.
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>>1125152
>out drinking with another 3rd Mate from the ship I was on waiting for the ship to officially deactivate
>mfw all the stories she had about richfags trying to hire her to work on their yachts
>mfw one thought that telling her that her uniform would be topless bikini bottoms would get her to sign on

Oh delusional richfags, never change.
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What are the chances for a euro to get on a us tug, bunker barge or other coastal shit? I have Deck OOW, advanced oil and chemical tanker, basic gas carrier, lifeboat, ecdis ....
Will have >3000 chief mate license in a couple of years.
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>>1125184
Impossible without a green card. Bringing over your international certs is not the problem thanks to STCW, but the Jones Act says that you need to be a citizen or a legalized resident to work on cabotage trade.
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>>1125185
This. Besides, youre probably getting paid more unless you're an Eastern eurofag
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Not eastern but i kind of want to move elsewhere. I'll look into this citizenship thing.
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Bunker barge
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>>1124688
6 pack sail catamaran
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>>1123026
The new locks don't have those trains anymore, do they? What's going to happen with the old locks anyway?
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"Some people commute via bus, others via train, but me I commute via guided missile destroyer"
-Me, the Anon
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>>1125309
They're still in use. The new locks are just for the large ships; they're actually very slow. When I went through, we actually beat this ship despite them getting to the new locks first and us going through both the Minaflores and Pedro Miguel locks.
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>>1125309
>>1125778
Only reason we weren't in front of them was because she was a LNG carrier and got to have a 1.5nm buffer around her.
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>>1125780
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>>1125778
We even had another ship ahead of us at Minaflores, too.
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>>1125773
How many civilian ships have you hit lately?

>>1125778
>>1125780
>>1125784
Visibility from car carriers looks like shit, is it as bad in person?
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>>1125907
Yup. We had a 120-140 meter dead zone in front of the bow, depending on how much we were loaded. We tended to try and stay away from small boat traffic.
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Anyone ever have any bad experiences with small craft or sailboats getting in your way while transiting through narrow water ways? I've gone through the bay area a few times and every time we've had to sound 5 short at least once.

Last time 2 drunk idiots in a whaler sped right past us and stopped and started drifting in the middle of the channel a half mile ahead under the bridge span we were about to go under. They eventually got out of the way but the pilot screamed at em from the bridge wing as we passed. Had a nice kek from the whole thing because I was on the bow chillin.
10/10 funniest anchor watch I've stood.
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>>1126012
muh rule 9
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>>1126012
Too many times to recall. Work around New York "No Boater Safety Course? No problem!" City.
>Group of 4 jetskiiers stop in the middle of the channel under Hell Gate RR bridge as I'm approaching with a barge and fair current. Won't respond to radio or horns. Luckily an FDNY boat had the foresight to go yell at them
>VTS alerting all traffic to give a slow bell to an asshole canoeing down the rivers with his family, with about five inches of free board
>Sailboats disappearing under the bow of my anchored barge, passing so close. Always expecting them to shudder and rip their keel off on my anchor chain
>Towing down the coast off NJ, three guys in an open console with the hammer down from five miles away come to a stop directly in my path about half a mile ahead of me
>Offshore, fishermen will go full tilt from miles away in order to pass two hundred feet off your bow, instead of adjusting course by five degrees and passing safely off your stern tow.
>Commercial sailboat trying to sail through Hells Gate with three units on either side of the gate trying to catch the slack.

I always say that summer is the most dangerous time to be on the water.
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>>1126063
>>Offshore, fishermen will go full tilt from miles away in order to pass two hundred feet off your bow, instead of adjusting course by five degrees and passing safely off your stern tow.
That's true of all fishing boats. Fuck, I was only there for a week and I have fucking stories to tell about fishing boats off Korea/East China Sea.

If all commercial fishing was banned it would be the best day of my life
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>>1126065
Holy shit, that diagram.
>Saved forever
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>>1126067
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Gotta love rule 36
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Haze grey stay away
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>>1126086
I'm friends with a SWO. On vacation in Florida with us, he failed the on-beach rules of the road exam to be able ti rent a jet ski. Drunk normie chads pass that regularly.
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>>1126086
>>1126116
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>literal Facebook-tier images

FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES, NORMIES

GET THE FUCK OUT
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>>1126082

Oh laud, a fucking Nordhavn. We delivered a 60fter from the factory all the way to New Zealand. 5600nm at 8.5kts cruise had me wanting to step off the stern with a lead belt about 2000nm into the trip.

Still, the boat handled a Philippine typhoon like a champ!
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Almost outta the shed.
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Well I’m officially starting on a tug in 2 weeks as a greenhorn OS.

>what’s the best rundown before I start?
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>>1126860
I hope you like painting.
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>>1126860
What company senpai
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>>1126862
Work is work.

>>1126863
Brusco Tug and Barge.
As of now, they’ll be flying me down from Seattle to the Bay Area

>just got a pay raise yesterday
>then put my 2 weeks notice in
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>>1126880
Are they still hiring? Been looking for a job. Completely green too
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What anime do you watch on board?
Pic related for me
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Stupid phone
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Apparently this is one of the largest yachts in the world

162.5m long and 13564 gross tons.




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