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The Light Rail System connects Minneapolis, Minnesota to some of its surrounding towns and suburbs. The project is set to expand into more conservative outlying suburbs such as Hopkins. Bob Ivers of the Hopkins city counsel warns of "ethnics" "flooding" into Hopkins from "Welfareopolis."
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>>1115978
Agreed. I don't want the blacks from downtown flooding in and stealing shit.

I bike to the nearest station and then take the already existing infrastructure.
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>>1115978

lolwut

Hopkins is already the poorest and most ethnic neighborhood in the West-ish burbs and has been for a long time.

Literally the only place on Earth I have ever had my bike nearly stolen within 30 seconds of leaving it unattended but still in sight.

About the only thing a light rail into Hopkins would do is make main street worth going to occasionally.
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>>1115978
the biggest factor in moving above the poverty line is access to public transportation. i c no problem in helping people
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>>1115996

Ok now THAT is pure bullshit.
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>>1115978
Go back to your containment board, >>>/pol/

/pol/ out of /n/!
/pol/ out of /n/!
/pol/ out of /n/!
/pol/ out of /n/!
/pol/ out of /n/!
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>>1116063
What's your problem? This is more /n/ related than fucking bike racing and exercise threads you faggot.
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>>1116063
This is very /n/ related
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>>1115992
St Louis Park is still worst, unless (you)r from Edina in which case your a cake eater and can't tell the difference.

Hopkins is so tiny that the poorest areas are basically only on two streets, 11th ave south of Excelsior and Blake rd N till highway 7. rest is mainly mid level suburb houses
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>>1115978
Also fun fact about this guy Bob Ivers, back during 2015 for the Election of the hopkins mayor, he got, 71 votes about 7% even fewer number of votes than the total number of Write-ins (76)
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>>1116106
Sounds like he doesn't give a fuck, based Bob tellin' it like it is!
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>>1116107
he also tried to sue the city of Hopkins after he was cited for trespassing at an apartment complex and after it was dismissed he was convicted of stalking the clerk of the judge who dismissed the suit and was given a stayed sentence of 180 days and two years’ probation.
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>>1116063
this is /n/ related because blacks are one of the biggest problems with transportation in the States
the real reason that public transport died out when it did was desegregation
the reason that suburbs are the main residential areas for many cities is that white people were trying to escape from blacks in the urban core
there is no public transportation out in suburbs because nobody wants blacks to be able to get to their homes and rob them and rape their wives
i think most people know, on some level, how fucked car focused suburbia is, they just can't think of any alternatives that don't involve being around blacks
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>>1115997
there was a study that showed the neighborhoods that were closest to subway stations did way better bc ppl could get jobs in areas only accessible by car but they didnt have cars cus they were poor
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>>1115997
I've heard that too, It's about getting people access to better jobs
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>>1116111
>the real reason that public transport died out when it did was desegregation
This is absolutely true and everyone does this weird dance around the problem and uses coded language because they can't openly talk about it.

Pocs on public transportation is only slightly better than having wild hyenas on board. I don't want to use it for that reason alone.
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>>1116128
boomercar propaganda
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Wow look another thread about how America can't wrap their heads around the concept of public transport. What a surprise, I am shocked, how amazing etc.
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Green Line extension should be redesigned to go through Uptown.

Good on the Met Council to reject the construction bids.
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>>1116139
people have this strange ability to behave in a way that shows they understand something without admitting it to themselves
watch where white people want to live, where they want to go, and how they interact with blacks out in public
white people know on some level, whether conscious or unconscious that blacks are dangerous, especially in crowds
white people's behavior is in line with this thinking, they go out of their way to protect themselves and their families
but try getting someone to openly admit that blacks are dangerous and they'll look at you like a you're a madman
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>>1116111
How do you explain the recent influx of middle/high income people (and corporate headquarters) into cities and the corresponding suburbanization of poverty, then?
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>>1115978
>this is an elected representative of the people in United States of School Shootings.

Ho-ly shit.
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>>1116128
>>1116140
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>>1116141
Cars are better because you aren't forced to be around a bunch of Tyrones. Watch this video and tell me if you notice anything about it https://youtu.be/bby7sGEk9fo

Try doing anything remotely that nice with Da'Quan and crew onboard. Ain't happening.

>>1116168
Public policy shifted nationally from inner city housing projects to section 8 programs
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>>1116177
Kek, nicely done.
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>>1116177
fucking nice
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>>1116180
this just hurts to watch
we had everything, and threw it all away
all for nogs and womens rights
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>>1116111
Are there documented cases of crime increasing and property values being depressed by the construction of a rapid transit line? I'm pretty sure proximity to transit increases property values
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So >>1116287 is me and I actually decided to do some reading on this subject
>the LA Metro Green Line, which runs through poor inner city districts as well as affluent suburbs, did not result in increased crime in the suburbs after the Green Line opened
>a similar effect was seen in the Atlanta suburbs after new MARTA stations opened
Why does /pol/ insist on forcing the tired "crime train" meme?

And the property values thing is fairly evident. Values tend to fall the further you away you go from a transit line, even in places like Phoenix that don't have a very extensive system. Also in my own experience since a new light rail station is opening in my (middle/upper class) neighborhood and my rent is increasing quite a bit faster than the city average.
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>>1116297
>Why does /pol/ insist on forcing the tired "crime train" meme?

Because it's true
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>>1116297
>Why does /pol/ insist on forcing the tired "crime train" meme?
Cagers will do anything just to not admit their laziness and inferiority of their mode of transport.
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>>1116303
Prove it
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>>1116303
>existing body of literature in general strongly suggests that it's not true
>b-but it's true!
What are you going to do, accuse researchers of being part of a Jewish conspiracy?
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>>1116416
Questioning the validity of research is a valid criticism.
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>>1116422
>can't win a technical argument
>resort to playing identity politics and conspiracy theories
This is like arguing with SJWs
Just kys my man
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>>1116422
>Questioning the validity of research is a valid criticism.
When the questioning is based on "muh feefees" it's not.
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>>1116297
I had this same argument with somebody about MARTA in Atlanta. Even showed statics proving that the "crime" problem is overblown and crime on MARTA has been on a downward trend in general. Still got the "its crime ridden because I say it is" response. All I fucking wanted was to not need to drive to get from Suwanee to Five Points.
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>>1116416
I found AN INTERNET STATISTIC, consider yourself EVISCERATED... heh

>>1116443
I'm basing it on actually having used mass transit

>>1116460
Just this year
http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/dead-injured-targeted-shooting-marta-train-suspect-custody/Gc2Nb5mlWrtxqQ8CHO0JPJ/

You don't seem to understand that quoting statistics isn't going to allay the image of MARTA as a crime train. Clustering poor blacks on anything turns it to a texture worse than shit, transit included
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>>1116469
Not just "an" internet statistic, but pretty much the entire current body of literature

>I'm basing it on actually having used mass transit
The plural of anecdote is not "data"

>MARTA as a crime train
Crime happens on mass transit. No one is disputing this. However, that doesn't mean that mass transit exports crime to the suburbs, because the data doesn't support that assertion at all.
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>>1116474
Most people know how easy it is to juke any statistic, that's why we ignore people like you


>However, that doesn't mean that mass transit exports crime to the suburbs, because the data doesn't support that assertion at all
Police reports don't list "rode public transit" if the crime took place off transit property idiot, there's no way to account for what you're talking about
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>>1116477
Yeah there is:
>look at crime rate for the few years preceding the opening of a new transit line
>look at crime rate for the few years after the opening of a new transit line
That's how most of the studies are done.
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>>1116478
Specifically, the crime rate in a given area where a new transit line is built, in case it wasn't obvious.
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>>1116478
>all crime is reported and everything else stays constant, so nothing could possibly be flawed

Desegregation killed public transit, keep shilling juked stats and we'll keep ignoring you
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>>1116483
>hundreds of peer reviewed studies are "juked"
>but my anecdata is real
k
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>>1116469
Hah, it is you again. Read it and weep fag, tables are at the bottom.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ajc.com/news/local/after-recent-killings-how-safe-marta/KUtM1GmuvSiNsKFs1Ln58L/amp.html
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>>1116484
>Telling me things I experienced in real life are less valid than data that can be easily manipulated for any particular cause
k
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>>1116487
All crime is reported. Statistics can never be manipulated. Good shit anon
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>>1116490
>it doesn't agree with my narrative so it can't be right
Back to >>>/pol/ with you.
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>>1116488
Anecdotes are not data. You can cry all you want about what you've seen but they may not be indicative of the general trend. You don't have an argument beyond "m-muh niggers and jews"

>>1116490
>crime reporting rates suddenly drop after a new transit line opens, because jews or something
Sure thing
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>>1116491
>it doesn't agree with my narrative so it can't be right
Literally what you're doing. All you have are numbers that may or may not be accurate, but they support your narrative. And people see right through it, including me.

>>1116492
>Anecdotes are not data.
Yes they are, they are my data, this is why politicians don't win by quoting statistics like an egghead. There's a major problem with peoples' perception of public transportation and you keep dancing around it and attacking it the wrong way.
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>>1116494
>All you have are numbers that may or may not be right
And all you have are anecdotes that may or may not be an accurate reflection of what's happening in the community at large, and a bunch of half assed "debunkings" of peer reviewed studies.
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>>1116488
>trusting what a biased observer says on the internet
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>>1116496
But I'm actually right. Transit has a serious image problem and you've failed to prove that I'm wrong.
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>>1116501
>you've failed to prove me wrong QED
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>>1116502
Proving you wrong wasn't my purpose or intent. Cheers
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>>1116501
That's not what we were arguing about, though. It certainly does have an image problem.
We were debating whether or not transit exports crime to outlying suburbs, and you've failed to provide any actual evidence to support your side.
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>>1116504
You've failed to provide any actual evidence to support your side, just easily manipulated numbers

I'll stick with my personal evidence my man
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>>1116508
>the fact that Redondo Beach, El Segundo, and Manhattan Beach didn't become crime infested warzones like inner city LA after they were connected with a rail line isn't evidence
>the fact that the Atlanta suburbs didn't become crime infested warzones like inner city Atlanta isn't evidence
>the fact that the suburbs of DC didn't become crime infested warzones like inner DC isn't evidence
Just a few things to chew on if anecdata is more your thing. You don't see packs of inner city blacks roaming around any of those places, even though they can just easily hop on the crime train to go rape and pillage the suburbanites.
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>>1116516
Too little, too late. You had your chance and failed.
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>>1116518
Behold the brave hero of /pol/ on the front lines of the fight against Jewish schemes like data and peer review
Truly we are blessed to have such individuals stand up for the truth
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>>1116494
>Literally what you're doing. All you have are numbers that may or may not be accurate, but they support your narrative.

My personal experience of riding MARTA daily for 5 years agrees with the numbers and tells me you're full of shit. Arguing than your anecdotal experience is representative of the entire mass transit system when not backed up by statistical evidence is called a logical fallacy.

>>1116508
>please accept my logical fallacy as fact

There's your (you)s
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>>1116555
You brought up the Jews, not me. I submit that you are a bigot.

>My personal experience
Wasn't mine. And guess what, more people agree with me than you, as evidenced by nearly zero MARTA expansions in the Atlanta region since its initial construction.

Everyone knows you can manipulate statistics. Everyone. Most people in Atlanta have probably been on MARTA at least a few times. Whatever opinion they form of their use, good or bad, overrules an autist regurgitating statistics. You can quote numbers all day but you'll fail to change minds, just as you did in this thread.
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>>1116501
Image problem =/= actual problem
yes most transit does appear a level just slightly above complete shit but that doesn't mean it actually causes a real issue and not just some non issue that has something you personally don't like and can use as an excuse to autistic screech about.

Plus fun fact about this line in specific, its swinging north avoiding the densest part of Minneapolis for a tunnel in the woods so the idea of people on welfare from the city center having easy access to the western subs is a little shaky

Coincedently there is another theory that is floating around the fact that three of the stations are suspiciously located near or downright in the corporate campus of a few of the major employers of the region (Opus, UnitedHealth Group, American Medical Systems, Comcast, Optum) while some of the other stations are located what seems like the in the middle of nowhere from abandoned industrial areas to literal fucking fields with the only connecting them is planned developed bring new housing complexes that are estimated to go at the lowest for a studio flat to be $3500-4000 a month and almost double for a single bedroom
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>>1116563
Why would you improve transit access to transit dependent populations with low car ownership when you can travel through parkland?
It will be faster for suburban commuters to take their current express bus to downtown then it will be to take the train from the end into downtown.
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>>1116596
The express bus that serves that area isn't that much faster than the normal bus only by about 10-15 minuets from end to end iirc its 55 minutes plus a little walking for the normal bus vs 44 minuets on the express. Plus it only has 8 departures a day, 4 eastbound to the cities from 6-8am and 4 westbound to the suburbs 3-5pm. Not really sure what the expected travel on the train is supposed to be 35-40 minuets from end to end which is better than the bus seeing as the line goes a good 3 to 4 miles further south west than the current bus routes but it's still twice as slow as driving (depending on traffic that is)
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>>1116562
>Wasn't mine

It's ok, I knew you were talking out your ass.

>thinking majority opinion provides factual basis

Just because that's the majority opinion doesn't mean it's true. Especially not when opposed by data.

MARTA never went farther than N Springs because in part because nobody wanted to sell the necessary land, and in part due to the false belief that it would export crime to Alpharetta, Roswell, and Johns Creek. But despite the "crime problem", Dunwoody and Sandy Springs are filled with luxury condos, apartments, and houses convenient to the stations with more being built every year. So much for that crime problem.
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>>1116614
I don't think you're very familiar with Southwest Transit. The LRT line literally terminates at their busiest park and ride station. Some of Southwest's routes go several miles further south/west of the LRT terminus.
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>>1115978
>of the Hopkins city counsel

WUT?
He's a last place mayoral canididate, you moron. Not city council.

http://www.startribune.com/hopkins-mayoral-candidate-says-light-rail-would-bring-ethnics-and-coloreds/449776713/
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>>1116139
>>1116111
>>1116153
Too true, this happens in everything not just transportation. Private schools are the exact same idea, keep your kids out of the schools filled with blacks.

I wouldn't want a single tax dollar going towards expanding rail like that.
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>>1116128
Do you have a version without the antisemitism that could be shared with normies?
I really like the theme though.
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>>1116737
Oh I forgot about SW Transit, I was only thinking of METRO transit. In that case taking the 690 will defiantly still be faster (bought 30 mins with no traffic) so the only benefits the SWLRT will have if built is it'll run during normal hours and not just during rush hours like the 690 and won't run only once a hour like the 698 during said normal hours.
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>>1116563
>Image problem =/= actual problem
Wrong. The image problem is why transit doesn't get expanded. Perception is reality and has been for a long time.
I still contend it is actually dangerous and that much crime involving transit isn't reported and statistics can be juked anyway.

>>1116618
>It's ok, I knew you were talking out your ass.
"My firsthand experience doesn't matter, only yours does."

>because nobody wanted to sell the necessary land
Eminent domain retard. It never went further because
>the false belief that it would export crime to Alpharetta, Roswell, and Johns Creek.
Which is actually true.

> Dunwoody and Sandy Springs are filled with luxury condos, apartments, and houses convenient to the stations with more being built every year. So much for that crime problem.
You're so full of shit lol. I watch and read the Atlanta news daily, crime definitely does happen there.
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>>1116863
>"My firsthand experience doesn't matter, only yours does
Who's experience lines up with the crime statistics? You'd likely refuse to fly after experiencing a hard landing because according to your personal experience, flying is too dangerous.

>Which is actually true
Cite your sources. Sources posted ITT say it's not true, and is just another boogieman used to kill public transportation iniatives.

>You're so full of shit lol. I watch and read the Atlanta news daily, crime definitely does happen there.
I fucking live in that area dumbass. It's not unsafe or crime ridden in the slightest.
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>>1116863
>The image problem is why transit doesn't get expanded
then why is it getting expanded

> Perception is reality and has been for a long time
By that logic the earth is flat since it's impossible to see the curve from the ground

I still contend it is actually dangerous and that much crime involving transit isn't reported and statistics can be juked anyway.
yet your still more likely to die in a car crash than on public transit and the "crime" it brings. That and if your so scared of the big bad man sitting next to you, your just a sissy.

>Muh firsthand experience
I have a strong suspicion its fake and the entire thread so far is just bait
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>>1116912
But the earth is flat you fucking sheep faggot
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>>1116917
the earth is flat, but the universe is toroidal
therefore the earth behaves as though it is round if you go from one end to the other
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>>1115989
fpbp
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>>1116180
I wish I could get breakfast on the train.
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>>1116910
>You'd likely refuse to fly after experiencing a hard landing because according to your personal experience, flying is too dangerous.
Irrelevant

Cite your sources. Sources posted ITT say it's not true, and is just another boogieman used to kill public transportation iniatives.
Good. At least I'm not a numbers autist and realize any statistic can be manipulated for any reason.

>I fucking live in that area dumbass. It's not unsafe or crime ridden in the slightest.
You can lie to yourself about it all day but you're not deceiving me. Hence why you're still sperging out
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>>1116912
>then why is it getting expanded
It's not. More miles of highways are built each year than are miles of busways/railways

>yet your still more likely to die in a car crash than on public transit and the "crime" it brings. That and if your so scared of the big bad man sitting next to you, your just a sissy.
I haven't died in a car crash yet

>I have a strong suspicion its fake and the entire thread so far is just bait
You've failed to make an argument that nullifies mine. You've lost.
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>>1118167
A little late for the Sunday trolling aren't we?
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>>1118165
>It's not. More miles of highways are built each year than are miles of busways/railways
not auguring which is getting expanded faster unless you have prof that the amount of transit ways is DECREASING per year
>I haven't died in a car crash yet
And you haven't died in public transit so by (you)r logic QED. but if your not someone who eats paints chips you would realize I was talking statistically speaking.
>You've failed to make an argument that nullifies mine. You've lost.
I'm sorry [autistic screeching] is not a valid argument, please try again.
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>>1116063
Nigger
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Here is a fun fact.
Thats shoenices racist uncle
Not even memeing




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