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Eternal Tyre Discussion Thread

im new to road bikes, just killed my first tyres (schwalbe lugano) after aprox 4000mi/6000km of use. they came with my bike (a mid range good alu bike, felt f75).

can anyone give me a quick induction about tyres? mine where 23mm but i see everyone is using using 25 or even a bit more. advice me!

no need to go into very rare tyres and stuff, just the most known and widely available is preferred. a objective opinion on pic related would be cool as i see they are kind of a meme tyre. also tell me if the price gap from a couple of maxxis detonators or ultrasport to the gp4000 is worth. im looking on somethig balanced between puncture resistance, rolling resistance and durability... but again if someones knows thier stuff he could prob say "this one for puncture resistance", "this one sucks on durability",etc etc. thanksssssssss.

and a tyre related question. as i needed a quick replacement for the back tyre and had no time to investigate or anything, i just got a single continental ultrasport 23mm). guy in the store told me it wuld be better if switched to the front and left my old good lugano on te back, so i could feel the grip of the continental . should i?

obviously talk about your tyre pref, what you thik is best whatever whatever. peaceeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Investing in quality tires is pretty much the best upgrade you can purchase for your bike. A wider tire will mean more vibration dampening which makes for a nice comfy ride, at the expense of slightly increased aero drag and rolling resistance. Consider that pros at races are currently running 25mm tires, so you should get even wider ones (provided your frame will fit them). GP4000s are pretty much the sweet spot between performance, comfort and puncture resitance. You can get gatorskins if you want more puncture resistance, though they'll make for a harsher ride. Schwalbe Marathon Plus will give the best puncture resitance ever, but they're pretty hard and heavy. Schwalbe Durano, Michelin Pro4 Service Course and Conti Four Seasons are also good mid-tier choices. Panaracer Pasela are nice too, if you're into tan sidewalls.
The advice from the LBS guy about switching around your tires makes sense, however bear in mind that a front wheel puncture is much more dangerous than a rear wheel one since you'll pretty much lose control instantly (if you're going fast enough), rather than just skidding to a stop. If your old tire is also worn out, consider buying a second new one so you can ride on a fresh pair (mismatched tires are disgusting anyway). Save the used tire for a future emergency.
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>>1126179
Ayyy bro, safe bet for roadies is to figure out the widest tire your frame will accept. Good starting point is a 28 mm tire from either Continental's higher lines, or Panaracer's Pasela (or Gravelking) line. There are even a handful of 30 mm tires from the likes of Challenge, Mavic, & WTB
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i use 32 road tires. love em at 85psi. good smooth ride

not the fastest obviously, but neither am I
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700x28 at 100 psi are the best
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Vittoria Rubino Pro
700x25
120-125psi
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I run 700x25 at 8 bar front and 9 bar rear on my roadbike.
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>>1126198
How fat are you?
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>>1126228
Running a high pressure doesn´t mean you are fat, some do it for lower rolling resistance or shitty terrain.
t. 9 bar at 57 kg
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Personally I think 28mm is incredibly narrow, I used 36 or 40mm when I rode regularly. Where do you ride?

Also, companies' measurements are different from each others. Its stupid.
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>>1126243
>28 is narrow
28 mm is pretty wide, the smallest normal sieze is 18 mm, normal is 23 mm wide is 25 mm
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>>1126244
I like having a plush ride I guess. The 23mm bike I rode must have been over 100psi, cause it demands cycling shorts or that saddle pounds your ass over the smallest road imperfections.
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>>1126257
It is not like you can choose the pressure or something like that...
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>>1126187
If you're considering memeskins, you might want to shell out a little more for the 4 Seasons. Almost the performance of the GP4000 with the puncture protection of the gators.
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>>1126179
I live in Cascadia. I have been using 30mm Schwalbe Marathon (not the Marathon Plus).

They are heavy and they have rolling resistance, so you will be going slower than you would with narrower and lighter tyres. With that said, I have bought them 1 year and 1 week ago and I have ridden around 5000km on them.

So far, I have not had a single puncture and I often ride on gravel and over lots of debris, such as broken beer bottles or broken car glass (why the fuck it's so common in my city to see broken car glass is beyond me). I don't even carry a pump or spares with me if I'm riding less than 10km.

If you don't mind compromising speed, these tyres will give you the comfiest and safest ride that you could want. Pair that with a steel bike and you will just want to spend hours riding your bike.

Talking of which, I need to buy new tyres now. Does anybody know how the Gatormemes work? How to they compare with the Schwalbe Marathon?
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>>1126220
Far too high unless you weigh 400lbs. Google "tire pressure calculator"
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>>1126241
Rolling resistance on bad terrain will be higher, though. When the pressure is low enough to allow the tyre to deform over imperfections in the road surface, that's a huge energy savings for the rider because you don't have to expend energy stabilizing yourself.
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>>1126179
25mm 4000s II
Don't fuck around here op
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30 psi in my minions

i dont care about your opinions
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>>1126179
I ride 650x42 Compass Babyshoe Pass tyres (standard version) everyday, in all seasons around the Seattle city area on pavement and gravel.

They're super comfy, roll fast, and I've gotten a flat 3 times since mounting them last January.

Highly recommended.
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>>1126350
>>1126346
>>1126284
>>1126243
>>1126198
>>1126191
>>1126188
>>1126187

These would be perfect for your bike op. Lots of great recs in here!
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>>1126179
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>>1126376
I remember you from some other thread, first time riding on latex tubes right? How was it?
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>>1126350
>and I've gotten a flat 3 times since mounting them last January
Yeesh, is that supposed to be an endorsement? I run memeskin hardshells and I haven't gotten a flat since May 2016. I've put roughly 4500 miles on since then.
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https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews

GP4000 is best price/quality probably for 28mm and less.
Otherwise Schwalbe G-one Speed is insanely fast if you like THICC tires.(30-60mm)

>>1126376
>>1126386
Super light butyl tubes offer the same rolling resistance advantage without having to repump your tires every 2 days.

Always go for speed if you don't have to worry too much about punctures in your area.
I live in the Netherlands, so roads are most of the time 100% fine. Experience may vary in other countries.
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>2017
>not using solid or airless tires

come on grampas
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28c's are really fucking comfy. Too bad my roadie can only fit *most* 25cs,
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I changed my shitty 28c kenda for an expensive continental 32c and the bike was at 2km/h slower
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>>1126386
Supremely supple. Apples to apples, same pressure comparison, they compare to butyl that's about 5-10psi lower in suppleness without the rolling resistance loss on 28's. They are fast. They do lose about 20psi of pressure every day so instead of pumping every 3rd or 4th day, everyday pumping is a must.

>>1126411
Now I wish I had experience with lightweight butyl so I can throw down my 2 cents on lightweight butyl vs latex but from what I gathered, latex is softer and more flexible. So you might get the speed advantage of rolling with lightweights similar to latex but you don't get the same flex that latex provides. I feel it's worth airing up everyday even on my commuter so I don't know if I could go back but I'll definitely try lightweight butyl next.
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>>1126508
28s are the upper limit of speed to comfort for race tires. 32s are usually in the territory of commuter tires it also depends what you mean by 'expensive Continental' which could be memeskins which sacrifice speed and traction for puncture protection. GP4k sII is memechili though so the only way to win is

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whats the best thin, durable and light tires for under $300 ?
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>>1126217
How much do you weigh? 120-125 seems crazy high, unless you live somewhere with mirror smooth road surfaces.
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>>1126291
This guy understands.
So many misguided individuals, I expected better from /n/.
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>>1126291
>>1126570

but this means what? that i shouldnt put so much pressure as most people do on my tires?

and now you guys have me thinking about pressure... any guide i should follow? i googled and theres tons of info and pressure alculators based on your weight (+ bike weight), but its so much info that now im lost. im 60kg btw.

>>1126543
what the hell is memechili, sorry im over 30 so not so versed on internet dialectics. but for real GP4000SII or corsas?

ill be going for 25 as i think 28 could be a prob for my frame, but maybe 28 if they fit.

thoooooooooonks people
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>>1126601
tire pressure is definitely a preference but most people over inflate their tires to 100+. I'm a 64kg rider and on 28s 75-85psi feels good to me but calculators note my weight class could go lower, as low as 50 front/70 rear on 28s

Memeskins = gatorskins
Memechili = continental's black chili compound = GP4k sII

and whether it's Vittoria Corsa or Continental GP4k sII is preference on whether you like Germans or Italians because they are on par with memechilis edging ahead very slightly in rolling resistance as noted by bicyclerollingresistance

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/compare/continental-grand-prix-4000s-ii-2014-vs-vittoria-corsa-graphene-2016
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>>1126411
>not having to repump your tires every 2 days.
I don't really see how this is even a problem unless the bike is used as a commuter. I check the tire pressure and tires on my road bike before every ride anyway, filling them up doesn't take any extra time. If it's a commuter then having latex tubes is definitely a hassle.
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>>1126569
175
I like a firm ride. I've tried 100 and lower, too mushy.
Roads here are in pretty good condition.
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Vittoria rubino pro 700x23 @ 145psi rear/100psi front. I live for the day when someone makes a frame with a longer wheelbase for cripplingly tall autists like me. The "cantilever the seatpost over the rear axle" meme needs to stop.
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>>1126927
Are you lifting the rear wheel riding out of the saddle? What's the problem?
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I've enjoyed my Continental Touring Plus.

>>1126284

I live north of you. I just got 32mm Marathon Plus for the winter. What's the difference?
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Is carbon black still the best strengthening agent in the rubber? Or can we get some reliable tires in garish colors like lime green or sports car red?
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>>1126954
To the best of my knowledge, you have bought the most puncture-resistant tyres in existence. The only step you could go above that is using a different technology, such as solid tyres or some other air-less alternative.

The difference between mine 30mm Marathon and yours 32mm Marathon Plus is that yours is even more bomb-proof, at the cost of a higher weight and higher rolling resistance. In real life, it means that you will feel your bike a bit heavier and slower. This impacts you the most when you are accelerating or climbing, but, once you have reached a stable speed on the road, it will stop mattering.

I didn't go with the wider Marathon Plus because, in my city, asphalt is good enough and taking that extra caution would be overkill, even considering (Vancouver)Winter conditions. If you live in a more rural area, if your asphalt isn't good or if you really don't ever want to deal with punctures, I'd say you made the right choice.
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>>1126290
>"tire pressure calculator
I calculated it, but 3,7/4,7 bar seems a bit low, especialy when it says 6,2 minimum on the sidewall...
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so im also new with road bikes and also with their tyres. I have been using cheap tyres including ultrasports for the past 3 years ive been road riding, getting more serious with it. currently doing 70-110 mile rides on weekends and gonna start doing a serious training next year. just to push my limits.

question here is simple. from switching from cheap tyres like the ultrasports to something like the gp4000IIS. how does the riding experience change? is the price gap worth it? ive been reading forums and seen people say a ton of things but never how different it is from cheap stuff to these kind of tires. so im curious. does it really feel get that better? do you get faster?

thanks!
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>>1126601
jan heine's blog (compass bicycles/bicycle quarterly) will break down the theory for you behind tire pressure, tire size, and rolling speed. long story short, most important factor is ride what fits, ride supple.
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>>1127178
First, you need to realize diminishing returns are a thing. Second, Ultra Sports, despite being Continental's lower offerings, is a decent tire for their price sacrificing all puncture resistance for traction and rolling resistance. With that out of the way, would I say it's worth the upgrade? Definitely but your mileage may vary depending on your bike and your skill. I made the jump from Ultra Sport II's to Vittoria Corsas (the GP4k sII's rival) and I feel a huge difference in ride quality, speed, and traction. Things to note, GP4k's are almost half the weight of Ultra Sports with close to twice the tpi, and more puncture protection.

Now, the area where Ultra Sports win is bang for your buck. It's very hard to beat the price to performance ratio of Ultra Sports. If you can find a good deal on high end tires, it's worth it because all of your performance metrics begins with your tires. Not only does performance stem from your tires but the way your bike feels and handles, begins with your bike's tires. I'd rather ride on a cheaper frame with good tires than a better frame with shit tires.
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>>1127144
I personally wouldn't stray away from minimum ratings but I've heard others doing so perfectly fine, as far as claiming it's only there for liability reasons in case you blow out and hurt yourself. Still, I trust a manufacturers engineers and extensive testing over riding below rated pressures even if there are personal anecdotes of doing so for extended periods of time.
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>>1127180
thanks mister, your answer is clear as water.
i love you :D
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>>1127190
glad I could help famalam
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>>1126930
no, I'm just suffering from 6"9'. Any seatpost long enough puts the seat well over the rear wheel on virtually any production bike frame.
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some asshole cut my bike tire with a knife :(
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>>1127241
RIPped

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>>1127241
thats what you get for not using solid tires gramps
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OP here, will go with GP4000IIs's and just stop overthinking the thing. will go with 25mm cause i think 28 wont have enough clearance. pic related (dont take it seriously, i know it sucks and that perspectives can make the gap look bigger or smaller. but mainly that i suck at taking pictures).

i only have a final question:
is it ok to put 25 (and maybe 28, just to know) on 23 rims? i guess the answer will be, depends of the rims. i have this felt road RSL3 rims (came with the F75 bike).

only info i can fin on the net is:
Felt Road RSL3 (tubeless ready), 22mm width, 24mm depth

thanks bros!
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>>1127278
Yeah 28 on 23 rims is fine. Clean your fucking bike though
Instead of tires, get some brushes, some sponges, and some hot soapy water.
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>>1127283
thonks, yeah, its actually clean day (and new chain), i havent given propper love to the bike, only abuse. i actually started this other thread to see how i cleaned it today :P
>>1127269

thanks again,nice day sir.
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gp4000s2s sidewalls aren't well protected, so keep that in mind, I've also read that they're not as soft feeling as other compounds. i gather they're pretty well priced and a good value tire if you're looking for low rolling resistance and tread puncture protection. they're also pretty lightweight so good feeling acceleration. If longevity and puncture protection is more important to you Michelin pro4 Endurances are my go-to. they give up very little in the rolling resistance department vs tires with comparatively poor puncture protection. vittoria corsa g+ and s-works turbos are apparently appreciably soft and grippy if that's your thing.
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>>1127319
what does the sidewall thing translate to in real life? thanks
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>>1127038

Cool, the 32mm is actually a step smaller and smoother because I have 37mm treaded tires now. My bike is covered in heavy panniers and racks and locks for commuting anyway.

> (Vancouver)
Oh, so I'm not north of you. I assumed you were in Washington.
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>>1127325
Thinner sidewalls equal more comfortable ride.
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>>1127329
ok i get that, but less protected = they get damaged easily as your pic related? ow do you actually get tires damaged on the sidewall? the ones i have now came with a little damage like that(used bike), i havent made more to it (on the sidewalls), b ut imcurious, thanks!
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>>1127331
They'll only really get damaged if you're unfortunate enough to have a piece of debris fly up and hit your sidewall or if you're in the habit of hitting curbs/train tracks parallel.

I've been riding posh thin-sidewall touring tires for years every day in Seattle, and the durability of the sidewalls has never been an issue.
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>>1127325
they're easily cut if you ride over sharp debris, which can lead to blowouts. there have been YouTube videos and forum posts saying they got fewer miles each consecutive pair due to blowouts. if your roads are real gud they really seem like the best value fun tires but if you despise fixing tires/tubes, or despise being watchful for debris you might not like em'.
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>>1127329
>>1127331
>>1127333
>>1127343
Fine responses.
Correct tire pressure is paramount with tires that have flexible/thin sidewalls.
I Have only encountered one gash in like 5-6 sets of tires,and It wasn't even serious.
I just replaced it just in case.
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>>1127345
thing that bring ups the eternal question: how to know correct pressure?
i simply dont trust those web pressure calculators cause they tell a lot of times lower than min pressure recommended by manufacturer... what do? me thin btw
132lb(60kg) on a 22lb (10kg) bike
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>>1127347
The minimum recommended pressure is just that, recommended. Take for instance this guy, from the GCN channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6F3IBvB6Vc
He's tall as fuck yet he runs 60psi on his 25c tires.
In the end it comes down to personal preference, I'd just inflate the tires to the min rec pressure and see how they feel, then either inflate them more or let some air out.
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>>1127350
thanks, i kind of go 100 or something thinking more of puncture protection than in muh speedz
will start testing stuff
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>>1127355
Good.
If you start getting sidewall tearing and/or pinch flats it's a good thing to up the pressure a bit.

>100 PSI
And what size tires If I may ask?
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>>1127355
I weigh ~75kg and run ~80psi on my 28s and ~90psi on my 25s, never had a pinch flat on either
I do inflate the rear tire a bit more than the front since there's more weight on the back
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>>1127347
>>1127350
Dan's actually running 28s at 60
I'm 145 lbs/65 kg and i run 25mm tires at 100 psi because it's closer to the recommended pressure stated by the manufacturer while still remaining smooth enough. schwalbe bro stated that when it comes to fast performance tires with thin sidewalls higher pressures help prevent blowouts because the tire isn't allowed to overcompress upon hitting a bump or pothole. that's convenient because newer performance tires also commonly feature a very plush tread compound that is nice on your gooch despite being at 90+ psi.
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>>1127357
23mm, but gonna swap to 25mm
usually put 110 on the back 100-90 on the front
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https://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-reader/furious-fred.html

What did Schwalbe mean by this?
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>>1127791
>What did Schwalbe mean by this?
Schwalbe made a MTB tire with low grip and low rolling resistance.
It is meant for cross country, where you need that boost in efficiency and can sacrifice a bit grip.
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>>1126187
>at the expense of slightly increased aero drag and rolling resistance.

Isn't the jury still out on rolling resistance for the tyre?
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>>1126187
>GP4000s are pretty much the sweet spot between performance, comfort and puncture resitance
>Duranos are worse
No
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>>1126431
>2017
>Having absolute shit "muh future" memeAirless tires
Guess why they haven't gotten popular while being around for decades and having be re-introduced by a shittonne of manufacturers.
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>>1126397
>Is that supposed to be an endorsement?
I'd say yes. the ride quality is significantly nicer and two of the flats were from carpentry tacks which most definitely would have flatted your hardshells as well.

Getting no flats is exceptional; I see hardshells, marathons, etc in regularly for flat fixes at my shop; it's a game of luck.
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>>1126187
>GP4000s are pretty much the sweet spot between performance, comfort and puncture resitance.
You know who thinks Conti is good; people who've yet to ride something better.
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>>1127345
>tfw when my friend sliced the front sidewall of his Compass tire while leaving his block on their maiden voyage.
Feels bad man.
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>>1127347
>thing that bring ups the eternal question: how to know correct pressure?
By getting into countless debates with people about it.

It boils down to feel in the end. I start with an arbitraetory PSI I get from someone else and start lowering it over the course of a few weeks until it feels too low, then bump it back up a tiny bit.
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>>1127370
110 is too much. 100/90 is pretty common for 23/25s and works for most people within a normal weight range.
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>>1126228
why do people like empty tires? anything under 3.5bar feels like some shitty suspension meme because it bounces weirdly when i hit holes and other shit on roads.
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>>1126179
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>>1126239
if you like flats
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My city is like this everywhere, specially on bike lanes
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>>1128258
Well, I for one, dont like the saddle raping me with high PSI rock hard tkres sending every bump into my body. fuck rolling resistance. I want a comfortable, enjoyable ride.
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>>1128231
hi there, what should i try? what are those better things ? curious for real, still havent bought new tires. 25mm. thanks
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>>1128329
That looks like a marathon plus road.
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>>1128351

lol
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>>1128321
Literally 0 flats caused by shit coming through the tires during the 9000 km I have used them, and I rode the previous pair right to the cotton. The only flat I've had with them was caused by an old tube failing.
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>>1128258
Shitty "roads". Additionally low pressures are actually faster over rough shit.
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>>1128569
it feels like the tire gets ripped of the rim or like having broken spokes to me
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>>1128329
Gatorskins? Not sure if they'd help.
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>>1128351
not even close, this is a marathon plus road
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What tire pressure has the least rolling resistance on the following setup?
>25mm tires
>57 kg rider
>11 kg bike
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>>1126188
I have the dumbest question. How do I find out what is the widest tire I can fit? I tried to find information on my wheel such as a max width but to no avail.
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>>1129428
Look up your frame's manufacturer's specifications
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>>1129428
The rim width is almost certainly not the limiting factory. Measure the clearance with a ruler.
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where did the meme about studded tires having high rolling resistance come from? its much easier to go fast with marathon winters than it was with marathon gt 365
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>>1129427
least rolling resistance regardless of traction or comfort? Whatever maximum rated pressure the sidewall says. Really though, anything past 90-100, diminishing returns happen. If I was that light I would go around 80 front/90 rear low rolling resistance without sacrificing much traction. Maybe 70-80.if you want squish and grip. As long as you properly unweight as you go over bumps, pinch flats shouldn't be an issue
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>>1129442
>>1129428
>The rim width is almost certainly not the limiting factory. Measure the clearance with a ruler.
This, I will say though that rim width can affect mounted tire width. My 28s measured 26.4mm after mounting to a 19.7mm rim wheel (outer width, with an inner width somewhere around 14mm if I recall correctly)
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>>1129457
And height. A tire from bead to bead is a set circumference. Mounting it on a skinnier rim will make the tire poke out further from the centre of the wheel.
This may be a problem depending on your frame.

I think. I mean, it makes sense, right?
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>>1126188
>safe bet for roadies is to figure out the widest tire your frame will accept.
23mm....
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>>1129483
Bullshit
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PSA to anyone considering buying Vittoria Randonneur IIs: don't. They're heavy as bricks and have disturbingly high rolling resistance, and make accelerating or going up slopes miserable.
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How low can I go before snake biting?
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>>1130830
Five inches.

Seriously, just try it. I can get away with riding almost flat tires, some guys manage to pinch all the tine even at max pressure. Tire size and your weight are the most important variables.
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>>1129576
>PSA to anyone considering buying Vittoria;Don't
FTFY(Fixed that for (you)
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I recommend Conti 4 Seasons, it's a tougher version of the GP 4000 for cold weather.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/continental-grand-prix-4-season-2015
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>>1130908
Rubino pros have been good to me for a decade now. It's true the rando vitt tires are dogshit though.
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Are Continuing gatoskins still a great tyre off commuting and training? I'm thinking if getting a part of 25c.
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>>1130938
get the shardshells, and go for the 28s, and yes, they're still great

reddit hates them because popular = bad, and also muh watts
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>>1129576
Oddly enough I bought the exact tire 2 weeks ago. IMO they were far better and cheaper than the bontrager hardcases I was running. Never had a puncture with the hardcases. The tread would be ripped to shreds and eventually separate from the casing, but I never had a puncture.

Were is the key word. 2 weeks in and I got my first puncture tonight. Snagged a piece of wire on the rear tire on the commute home. Here's hoping I pull out a 2 inch long razor sharp piece of metal tomorrow.
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Daily reminder that puncture resistance is much more important than rolling resistance. You might lose a few seconds over rolling resistance, but a puncture can absolutely fuck your race up. Especially if you aren't made of money and don't have spare wheels to race with.
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>>1131046
Daily reminder no one races here
Except kids racing to the bus stop
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>>1130938
Maybe, depends on your bike and needs. I'd go for something wider if possible.

>>1131047
Very true.
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>>1131047
Of course no one is racing; it's off season!
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What tire should I get for commuting/road riding on weekends? 28-32mm.
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is it safe to ride with an almost empty front tire?(i pressed the valve thing so long that theres almost no air coming out but the front tire is not flat when riding) i dont ever use the front brake and its winter here and any higher pressure makes it slide so much that riding it feels very uncomfortable. tires are schwalbe marathon winter and they feel like only thing holding the bike up are the tiny shitty studs in the tires. the tire will probably slide even on a dry summer if i put 5bar in them and the studs do not properly touch the paved road.
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retard here, somebody care to explain the difference between tubular and tubeless? i'm confused af, but as i understood, one of those is glued on the wheels or something.
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>>1133069
Tubeless tires are normal clincher tires with a liquid sealant floating on the inside which seals punctures as you ride. This allows you to run low PSI and eliminate the risk of a pinch-flat.
Tubular tires are older and have to be glued or sewn on to the actual rim. They are sometimes faster but are slowly becoming more obsolete.
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>>1131047
Ok, let me say it differently:
Rolling resistance may cost you a few seconds on your commute, but a flat tire may ruin your day.
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Is there any downside to run 9 bar in 25mm tires except lack of comfort if you are a lightweight rider?
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>>1133150
comfort isn't a good or bad thing
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>>1133072
>Tubular tires are older and have to be glued or sewn on to the actual rim.
Eh... that's half right. I'm guessing you get the sewn part from people sometimes calling them "sew-ups." It's not a referenced to the way the tire is mounted, but to the fact that the casing of the tire is sewn around the tube.
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>>1133150
More bumpiness at high speeds which can lead to a loss of control.
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>>1133150
Worse grip. Let those niggas down in wet weather. Especially since you're ligtweight, the tires won't get squished much at all, severely limiting grip surface.
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>>1133149
>Rolling resistance may cost you a few seconds on your commute, but a flat tire may ruin your day.

My counterpoint is marathon supreme, as always

The extra $60 isn't going to make you broke, and opting for shit tier tires when the marathon will go a year of daily rising without a single flat, and be fast af compared to a memeskin...

Get Supremes 35mm+ if you are doing anything on pavement that isn't racing. Get a bike that can fit them
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>>1133178
Marathon supremes have a dead ride feel. They have their place but really are quite awful
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>>1133039
The studs will contact the road at the max pressure. I have them and I run them at around 4 - 5 bars. The reason is that they have stiff as fuck sidewalls and if you drop pressure they eat up all your power. Your tires have plenty of grip even at the max pressure. You just can't expect for a tire to turn icy road into dry summer road.
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>>1133178
Do you mean marathon plus or what? I said it in the other thread but the supremes are not a fundamentally resistant tyre. They weigh hundreds of grams less than even the normal marathons, which are about a couple hundred less than the pluses.

My counterpoint to tank tyres is tubeless, that way you get good flat resistance without destroying the ride feel. The only thing that ever actually punctured my compass tyres running normally was goatheads, now I can shrug those off laughing. And those are some of the least puncture resistant tyres that exist.

Never had a flat on Marathon GTs either but they weigh twice as much and don't feel anywhere near as good.
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Have a pair of these sub $10 tires coming from Wiggle's house brand, Lifeline. I expect pretty good things, everything else I've used from this brand is really well made, even if they are just copies of other companies products. After they come and I get some miles on them I'll report back. They also have a "premium" version of this tire for $3 more that looks like a GP4000 clone, but I'm just putting these on an old steel frame bike, so those would be a little overkill.
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>>1133235
Forgot picture.

Also, besides the Vittoria Corsa, Clement Strada and Panaracer Pasela, what are other options for skinwall road tires?
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>>1133236
veloflex, various wtb and compass tyres, probably many others
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>>1133213
i expected better grip from tires that costed me almost 100€. they have barely enough grip to keep going and i need to constantly be very careful with them. the ice is something from normal ice wet snow and water so its not a nice surface to ride on.. almost like going off road with a bike designed for paved roads.
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>2018 minus 3 weeks
>not using tyres made from rice

ISHYGDDT

https://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/irc-formula-pro-tubeless-rbcc-25-tyres-review.html
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>>1133236
Vittoria Open Pave just got released in gumwall, but not tubeless compatible yet..
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>>1133671
>riding on rice
>not riding graphene
shiggydiggitydoo
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Is Vittoria any good? I always thought it was just a budget brand.
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>>1133703
Like most tire manufacturers, their tires can range from budget to pro peloton depending on model.

2017 TdF tire count by team
>Continental Competition Pro Limited - 9 - 25mm
>Vittoria Corsa - 6 - 25mm
>Specialized S-Works Turbo Allroad 3 - 2 - 26mm
>Challenge Strada - 1 - 25mm
>Mavic Yksion Grip Link - 1 - 25mm
>Schwalbe Pro One HT - 1 - 25mm
>Hutchinson Pro Tour Super Light - 1 - 25mm
>Kenda SC - 1 - 25mm
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>>1133676
>"graphene"
>In those tires
Ayy lmao
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>>1133675
Open Paves are supposed to be green
rrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>1133671
>>1133676
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>>1133180
>Marathon supremes have a dead ride feel. They have their place but really are quite awful

what 35+mm tire has good ride feel?
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>>1133830
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>>1133830
paselas or any of the pasela clones made by panaracer for american companies.
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>>1133847
>paselas or any of the pasela clones made by panaracer for american companies.

if you think paselas are better than supremes in any way... lol
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Anyone riding the new Pirellis?
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>>1133665
You expected summer like feel in ice from ~35 mm tires? They aren't awful or unrideable but they aren't the same as summer, or even ISPs or some studded fatty tire. I've ridden over 20000 km in winter and almost all of that has been commuting on ~35 mm studs. Once you get a feel for it you'll do just fine with them.

>>1133859
No, but I kinda want to give them a try.
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>>1133853
In puncture protection, no. In ride feel, christ yes.
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>>1133871
>In puncture protection, no. In ride feel, christ yes.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Marathon Supremes are not Marathons
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>>1133871
Riding paselas after have Supremes is like riding through mud
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Are tubeless road tires (28,32mm) still shit?
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>>1133957
Have you ridden both? How are supremes on gravel compared to paselas?
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>>1134067
>Have you ridden both? How are supremes on gravel compared to paselas?

I've ridden both on road. Supremes at 35mm low psi are as good as any slick tires on gravel. the minimal tread on the pasela would have microscopic benefits, but higher rolling resistance likely = Supremes win in all categories except price
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>>1134077
Different slick tires ride vastly different on gravel.
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>>1134089
"Okay"

For the record, paselas are great. They just aren't in the same league as Supremes. There is no comparison

Slicks at proper psi are good on everything a 35mm tire should be used on. The 1mm deep tread on paselas is for show

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/why-we-dont-make-gravel-tires/
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>>1134091
Yeah, I don't know, i was genuinely asking. You don't know either if you haven't ridden them both on gravel. You implied that all slick tires rode the same on gravel which is absolute bullshit. I wasn't even thinking about the minimal tread, they're both basically slicks. Not trying to argue supremes aren't the superior tire either.

I take the Jan Heine pill to an extent, and i like slicks on gravel, but he's full of shit. The key difference is you can't stand to climb on a steep gravel hill with slicks, but you can with cx tires that have tread.
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>>1134099
Sorry I got really fired up about the pasela advocate. I don't ride gravel with slicks either I just wanted to fight. I have real gravel tires lol
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>>1134349
>I have real gravel tires lol
what does he mean by this
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Thinking about trying out memeskins after only using cross and touring tires
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>>1135126
Don't bother… they really do roll like garden hose. Get nice foldable tires and a sealant + tube injector if you are puncture-prone.
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sooooooooooooooooooooooo

all this opinions and stuff mean i should just buy 25mm gp4000's right?

and stop overthinking etc etc etc
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>>1137569
Durano's Yes
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>>1137569
No, 28mm
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>>1137569
>right?
wrong

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Just ordered these, did I fuck up?
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>>1139014
The only acceptable tire choices here:

25-28mm = Conti GP5728538
32-40mm = Marathon Supreme
40mm+ = MTB = not a real cyclist
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>>1139024
>Maraton Supreme
>Not G-One Liteskin
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>>1139014
looks good, anon
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>>1133236
>>1137744
C O R S A

Oh wait you mean the other Corsa, probably.

Had a great time riding these in the past. Amazingly fast, smooth and grippy.

Rear lasted about 1500km though.
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>>1139113
>1500 km
My master lasted over 3000 km on rear. Would've gotten a bit more but I changed it when my inner tube decided that it's had enough and self destructed. And instead of changing the tire few days later I replaced both.
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>>1139024
>25-28mm = Schwalbe durano/One
>32-40mm = Marathon Supreme
>40mm+ = MTB = not a real cyclist
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>>1139024
Found the skinny spandex and cap wearing faggot
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Anyone know (or can estimate) the rolling resistance of the Schwalbe Road Cruiser tires?
They're extremely cheap tires.

I have to make room for a new bike and one of my city bikes (Gazelle Esprit C3) is equipped with those tires.
Because I don't want to bother selling it, I'm planning to give the bike to my sister to replace her old bike.
Wonder if it's worth the effort/money to replace those tires with Marathon Supremes or other smooth rolling tour tires.
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>>1141064
You can attempt to guesstimate with the data at https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/

but
>Gazelle Esprit
>give the bike to my sister

It probably won't make in the slightest on that bike with the level fitness your sister has. I'd be more concerned with her never inflating here tires and riding them at 20psi after a month or two.

I'd just leave it as it is 2bh.
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>>1141064
I wouldn't bother changing them yet. You can think about doing that once they've been worn out or have a flat tire.

Like this anon said >>1141071
>I'd be more concerned with her never inflating here tires and riding them at 20psi after a month or two.
Giving her good advice on how to keep her tires properly inflated would be better than replacing wheels.
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Any size or product recommendations for commuting in parts on wet cobblestone? You figure 32 is enough, or should I better be safe than sorry and go with 37? Haven't commuted since I rode a generic mountain bike to highschool many years ago, so I've got no clue about real commuter bikes or tires.
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>>1141064
The pre-2018 road cruisers are notorious for getting a gorrillion little cracks on the thread and sidewall,that is why they replaced with with the "Green compound"for the 2018 models.
It shouldn't matter thought as its only superficial.
Else they are fine tires.
I assume you and your sister are Dutch so inflating the tires to at or over 4bar (asuming 37-622 tires) is gonna leave her something like this.
"WHOA this baike is soh good wowomgbbq"

>>1141071
>I'd be more concerned with her never inflating here tires and riding them at 20psi after a month or two.
This IS going to happen,no need to put expensive tires on there.
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>>1141133
Polite bump.
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>>1141133
>wet cobblestone
that's some real 'fuck you' type terrain. I don't have a recommendation but I'd go as wide and low pressure as I could on terrain like that, just to save my anus from hemorrhoids
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Do you guys have extra tires or just the ones on your bike? Thinking about trying new widths, tread designs, etc but dont really want a bunch of rotting rubber stinking up my place. Good deals on used ones too.
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>>1139032
It's g-one liteskin superior to marathon Supremes in 35mm?
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>>1141525
The 35mm microskin G-One rolls faster than the 37mm supreme, the G-one has much more threads per inch.
It's lighter than the microskin supreme.
The G-One also runs at a lower pressure.

Puncture protection is probably similar but the Supreme will last many more miles.

It's more of a are you willing to spend extra for faster/smoother tires.
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I commute around a city on 23mm Gatorskins, but the rear is on its last legs. I can't really go wider due to mudguard clearance issues, am I best off just replacing them with the same?

85kg rider, 11-20kg bike (rear pannier rack), normally ride at around 120psi (minimum pressure recommendation)
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>>1141521
I do have a box named "consumables" with half a dozen folded tires, tubes and other items inside. Some of the tubes and tires have been there for more than five years and have not started to rot or stink in any way.

Curiously enough the tires that have degraded the most are the ones I left mounted on my commuter which sat in a spare room. They cracked a bit but are still usable.

Folding tires are easier to store than wired ones for rather obvious reasons.

I'd go ahead worry free and get some tires to try them out anon.You can store them in a closet, drawer, box or anything else for years and nothing will happen. Just store them in a cool place away from daylight.

>>1141624
>memeskins
>best off just replacing them with the same

It's up to you 2bh. Memeskins are ok but you can also try other options such as the Durano Plus.

I used to do training rides at sub zero temperatures 25km away from home on weekdays, so I really wanted the best puncture protection I could have. I trained an entire winter with Durano Pluses and had no pinctures.

The thing with this class of tire is that they can be overkill.

Unless you commute through a warzone, you can also opt for a lighter tire alternative. I commute on 23mm Zaffiros I picked up for 6€ on CRC nowadays and train on Lithion 2s in winter. The last 2 tires I lost where due to massive cuts on the sidewall that made the tyre unsafe, not "regular" punctures per se.

If you must have maximum reliability, you'll pay for it in price and speed. Otherwise you can go with something cheaper, faster, or both.
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>>1141628

Thanks, I might try the Zaffiro pro and see how that goes then, if it does get shredded quickly I'll replace it with something else, but would be nice to try
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>>1141624
I'd go for something more supple. Also where there's 23mm clearance, almost every time a 25mm tire will also fit
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>>1141634

The frame has clearance for 25mms or more, but it's the mudguards that cause the problem - I did try putting on some 25s but couldn't get the 'guards to not rub so went back to 23s. I'll try some Zaffiro pros and see how they feel probably
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>>1141637
how about you don't fuck around and get some actually good tires
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>>1141640

Well do you have any recommendations? Apparently not memeskins, Marathon pluses are overbuild, Zaffiro pros are shit, what would you use?
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>>1141641
4000s II
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>>1141642

I ride those on my fred sled, I'm not going to commute on them round a city, I'd puncture too often. Thanks for the input htough
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>>1141645
how often if ever do they puncture when they aren't worn though
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>>1141641
I'm currently running Schwalbe Durano on two of my bikes and they're pretty nice.
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>>1141645
Standard marathons come in 23. I have some on my commuter. However, since then I've modded my fenders to actually fit wider tires so I'd get 25 conti 4seasons now.
So the story is that you should consider modding your fenders. Although not as badly as I did to mine.
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>>1141645
Zaffrio sucks but Rubino Pros are pretty awesome. I commuted 7 miles a day in Philly on 28mm. I would get a flat once every 6 months at the most

Marathon Supremes in 35mm I have never once gotten a flat
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>>1141648
I can vouch for these
Good grip,mileage,fit,(very good)ride quality
But:
High(er) rolling resistance and not that cheap.
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Bumping the thread so it doesn't 404.

Been riding these lately. Still too early to comment on reliability but they feel pretty alright, I get some Conti GP vibes from them. Got them on CRC on a sale for like 10€ each a few years ago.




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