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Old one just hit the limit, time for another one! Post interesting infos, images and videos about trains in Japan.

Old thread: >>1134227
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>>1181585
Hot damn, I never posted in this thread- but I never thought I'd see the last one actually hit the limit.

Here, have Jap Thomas.
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Best thread on /n/.
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Is there old wooden track or bolted rail in Japan's network yet?
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>>1181585
one fat boi
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>>1181956
Pretty common on rural local lines, private suburban railways serving smaller cities, less used branches of major private railways and main lines in Hokkaido.
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here's a wallpaper I made of the KEIKYU N1000. love the motor sound
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https://youtu.be/FJOc4zXNVvg
Is this elevator /jrg/ ?
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>>1182716
saved
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>>1182827
noisy/10
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https://www.sankeibiz.jp/smp/compliance/news/180423/cpd1804230500004-s1.htm
Seems the delay in migration of Tokyo fish market have delayed construction of a road that caused delay in expected time for Tokyo BRT ti start operation
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You failed me
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>>1184902
>Delayed 35 min
How many of the staff did kill them after this?
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>>1184962
oh the staff had long since committed sepukku from shame
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>>1184962
>>1185195
In the end it was delayed 50 min. The westbound track was closed the whole time, due to a caternary obstruction.

Should I go to the Kyoto Railway Museum?
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>>1185625
>Should I go to the Kyoto Railway Museum?
Yes. I really enjoyed it despite the saturday afternoon crowd when I went. They had a demonstration going the hour before they closed of one of their restored steam locomotives, and also have a massive model railway layout upstairs, in addition to all the other neat stuff.
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Looks less impressive than I though.
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>>1185625
Nagoya SC Maglev Park is better, better model railway too
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/09/national/fatal-congestion-2020-olympics-paralyze-tokyos-famed-subway-system-study-warns/ (AFP)
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201805010027.html
There's this guy Prof Taguchi Azuma's research brought up again on Tokyo railway capacity during 2020 Olympics. I wrote up some comments elsewhere, but one character current reports inadvertently got right might be that metro, Metro Nagata-cho station (Hanzomon-Yurakucho line) interchange passenger would be the most worrying, despite the smaller spike in flow volume due to its capacity and design.
Lots of pics there not gonna repost here yet.
http://www.ise.chuo-u.ac.jp/ise-labs/taguchi-lab/symposium20160316/slide20160316.pdf
http://www.orsj.or.jp/archive2/sym/S75_004.pdf
http://www.orsj.or.jp/archive2/or62-1/or62_1_5.pdf
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/journalcpij/52/3/52_696/_pdf
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https://youtu.be/hVeaHA86UQw
They already have FGT test facility at Hokuriku?
Also, is the earthquake prevention guard in Kyushu different from Hokuriku shinkansen? As the video said it have to be developed specifically for Hokuriku spec
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>Plan for commuter high speed rail network for the capital area
Was it actually a thing?
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>>1187200
Freemium paywall: https://trafficnews.jp/post/80329
What do you mean by that? Think the article would have answered your question. They coincide with the basic Shinkansen line plans, and latter the New 5-Direction Commute Strategy superseding the idea.
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>>1187371
I can't get pass the paywall without entering my card detail so I can't read that
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>>1187415
I'm too lazy to sign up, thought you have read it.
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>In the second year operation of Hokkaido Shinkansen, the load factor dropped to 26%, six points lower than the first year. The operation deficit also almost doubled to 10.3 billion yen. Main reason for the increased deficit is said to be non-increasing ridership and maintenance for the Seikan tunnel which have been opened for thirty years. They also expect 10.2 billion yen lost in FY2018.

Are they going to make it till the opening of Sapporo section?
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>>1184902
wtf japs
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>>1188504
I hope not

The jap government is addicted to building pointless shit under the guise of stimulating the economy when all it does is wreck the rural areas that are becoming increasingly popular with international tourists.
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>>1188697
I thought the Sapporo - Hakodate segment would make more sense than the inter-strait segment?
And by "are they going to make it", I mean will JR Hokkaido continue to exists when the line open.
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>>1182716
Not him but we need more papes like this. Just made pic related.
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JR East announced that they will purpose build a new tourism train for 2020 serving between Tokyo and the Izu Peninsula, the E261 Series (2 sets with 8 cars each) will be Green Car only with 4 Green Cars, 1 Premium Green Car, 2 Green Compartment Cars, and 1 Resturant Car

http://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2018/20180502.pdf

JR East's Nagano Branch also announces that the E353 Series EMU will enter service for the Azusa and Kaiji limited express services starting July 1st and all the limited express services on the Chuo Line will use the E353 EMU exclusively. The PDF also confirms the E257 Series EMU will be modified and replace the aging 185 Series EMU for the Odoriko Limited Express

http://www.jreast.co.jp/nagano/pdf/180516-01.pdf

Considering that there are 96 cars built so far (9 9-car sets and 5 3-car sets) I wonder how many will be built when everything is said and done

>>1188697

>Wreck the rural areas that are becoming increasingly popular with international tourists

But they also need that money because you can have only so many domestic tourists
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JR apologized because train left 25 seconds early.

In comparison, New York doesn't have a time table, bc it wouldn't serve shit anyway.
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-Odawara direction: Because the Tokaido Shinkansen, the first Shinkansen line to open in time for the 1964 Games.

-Utsunomiya-direction: Became the Tohoku Shinkansen. Due to Landowner/Japanese New Left protests (they were already upset about Narita Airport being constructed). JNR wanted to put the Tokyo-Omiya section below ground, but couldn't due to engineering issues. So, to address landowners' issues, JNR limited speeds south of Omiya to 110 km/h*, and built the Saikyo Line and New Shuttle.

-Northwest direction: Became the Joetsu Shinkansen and Hokuriku Shinkansen. The Takasaki~Nagano section opened in time for the 1998 Games, the extension to Kanazawa opened in 2015. The Joetsu Shinkansen was the pet project of former PM Kakueki Tanaka, a 土建国家 pork barrel waste (re: >>1188697)

-Narita direction: The Narita Shinkansen was scrapped due to the combined effect of landowner opposition along the proposed line, the violent protests due to the reasons above, and the 1990s recession in Japan. JR East tried to salvage the project with the Keiyo Line (the underground Keiyo Line platforms at Tokyo Station were originally meant for this line). Disused rights-of-way from this project were reappropriated by Keisei as Narita Sky Access in 2010.

-Mito direction: Joban Shinkansen was not built because...well, I'm not really sure why. My educated guess is that the 90s recession had a lot to do with it. Tsukuba Express opened in 2005, and if the TX extension to Tokyo Station ever gets built, it'll be an improvement.

-Kofu direction: Right now it's all limited express services, mostly Super Azusa and Kaiji services out of Shinjuku. They're a bit slow but pretty scenic. The Chuo Linear Shinkansen (which won't be nearly as scenic, since most of the route will be tunneled) will reach Nagoya in 2027, not in time for the 2020 Games. The Nagoya~Shin-Osaka section will open...eventually.
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Moving on...

I heard that the Haneda access line will not directly serve Tamachi because of a spur Shinkansen viaduct that blocks any connections between the Oshio Freight Line and Tokaido Main Line. Is this viaduct *just* for cars headed to the Oi Vehicle Base*, or does it also connect to the stabling siding at Shinagawa?

留置線 = stabling siding

*-https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/大井車両基地
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>>1190322
>JR apologized because train left 25 seconds early.
Fucking robots. I think even germans are not that picky about time.
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>>1190322
Leaving early is one thing, i bet they wouldn't apologise if they keft 25 seconds late for example, because nobody wpukd be harmed
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>>1191099
Why would you think Tamachi station will be served in the first place???
It's not like Keihin-Touhoku will be the line running through.
> Is this viaduct *just* for cars headed to the Oi Vehicle Base*, or does it also connect to the stabling siding at Shinagawa?
Think it's the former.
Search result:
https://style.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASFK1503S_W4A110C1000000

>>1191123
... Delay has the system of late certificates in place, and the apology is part of the standard procedures.
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>>1191094
> Joban Shinkansen
That's not a correct picture. Kihon Keikaku Shinkansen plan calls for a Narita-Joban Shinkansen in the first place.
> Takasaki, Kiryu, Utsunomiya
Again note that >>1187371 in fact Saikyo line had extension plans towards Takasaki line, with relics till Miyahara station.
In addition, terminating at Shinjuku underground was banned in Joetsu Shinkansen.
> Kofu
Not going anywhere when Chuo line quad-tacking and Keiyo line extension haven't.
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>>1191094
>>1191213
Forgot to mention about the Joumou Development Line, appearing after the New Five-Direction Commute Strategy, which has a Takasaki-Joban Development Line. Joban New Line (ie TX) appeared in both cases.
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>>1191094
>>1191213
>>1191215
You see, as part of the Shinjuku underground Shinkansen Terminal plan, Narita Shinkansen Tokyo platform was located to leave room for westward extension meeting up with Chuo Shinkansen and interconnecting via there.
Inb4 aside from Narita Shinkansen, there was also a more recent (and unrealistic) idea of a Haneda-Narita Maglev. Today we have the Haneda Access Line, but it is also possible after the failure of Narita Shinkansen, a Linear Narita Shinkansen alignment was studied during the development of maglev within JNR. With Chuo Shinkansen at hand today, however unlikely and feasible it is, a maglev Narita Shinkansen is entirely possible in theorey.
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>>1191094
>>1191217
As a reminder, Shonan-Shinjuku Line pretty satisified the service requirement of between what's been said above >>1191213 >>1191215, and Tokkaido line, at a bargain. Those days were the end of the economic miracle and the freight boom (think Tokyo Outer Loop Line of Keiyo-Rinkai-Musashino line collection), so passenger conversion among freight lines isn't at reach yet.
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>>1191219
>* passenger service conversion
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>>1189947
There are only so many foreign tourist visiting Japan ea h year though I bet in most places domestic tourist are still majority
>>1191094
I take it as respond to that commuter shinkansen post? For the Mito direction, I thought it would be something similar to the TX? Seeing as the graph highlighted Tsukuba academy city as a point of stop over and TX os a line that connect it to Tokyo, and TX was also constructed to alleviate pressure on Joban main line. TX is also a relative higher speed line too.
>>1191215
Joumou Development Line?
>>1191217
If a maglev is built to connect Narita to either the city center or Haneda, I think it will most likely be something similar to the one at Shanghai airport. I am not sure about how much interoperatable it would be with the Chuo Shinkansen.
>>1191213
>Narita-Joban Shinkansen
http://app.m-cocolog.jp/t/typecast/676884/567511/79495982
Seems like it ultimately want to become second Tohoku Shinkansen im some plans?
And what's the line that go to the southern tip of Chiba in some plans?
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And Kintetsu is going to develop FGT?
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>>1191094

>The Joetsu Shinkansen was the pet project of former PM Kakueki Tanaka

Don't forget the fact that he was born in Niigata and the whole Etsuzankai schtick

>>1191231

Yes so they can have direct service between Kyoto and Yoshino-yama since one of the line and its branches between Osaka (Abenobashi) and Yoshinoyama is narrow gauge while the rest of the system is standard gauge
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https://youtu.be/xVQrdsE4To8
Even thought Kisarazu have the aqualine that conect directly across Tokyo Bay, on high speed bus that presumably won't have much stops it would still take 45 minutes before reaching Tokyo Station?
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>>1191230
> Joumou Development Line
Basically should be Takasaki Development Line but renamed in some literatue. Unsure on that too. These final hour JNR plans have little coverage.
> NRT Maglev
> something similar to the one at Shanghai airport
Which is why that, and the NRT-HND Linear concept are unworthy.
What I mean is realizing a Narita Shinkansen in the form of maglev by a Chuo Shinkansen extension at present time.
> Second Tohoku Shinkansen
The history is: Kita-Alps alignment Joetsu Shinkansen, conventional Chuo Chinkansen, maglev Second Tokkaido Shinkansen, and now maglev Chuo Shinkansen.
> what's the line that go to the southern tip of Chiba in some plans?
http://kakuyodo.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2014/09/post-855c.html
It's a concept/vision in the New National Integrated Development Plan only. Look at how Narita-Joban Shinkansen is formulated at last compared to that figure.

>>1191231
Thx for reminding me of his new upload.
Yes and no. Kintetsu is simply cooperating and joining FGT development for themselves.

>>1191320
Shutoko Haneda Route bottleneck after Rainbow Bridge. Harumi Route or the upcoming Kan-Futa won't be any faster.
If you would notice suspiciously wide open space at Tsukijigawa (now a park) and Shintomicho Exit (a playground) you will discover the abandoned plan of a Harumi extension along there to Inner Circular Route.
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>>1191230
>>1191337
>* Kita-Alps alignment Hokuriku Shinkansen
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>>1191320
>>1191320
Umm Google Maps show me 40min car journey time at non-peak. 45min is a very good length already.
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>>1191320
>>1191340
>* 35min
At morning rush hour it goes to 30-50min.
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>>1191337
see a blog when searching about takasaki development line... http://d.hatena.ne.jp/kusamachi/touch/20120226/1330258385

And are you talking about this for harumi extension?
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>>1191349
That incorporated the Downtown Shinjuku Route in dotted line and Harumi Route extension to interchange with Second Bayshore Road.
You can see there's a suspiciously wide shoulder and roadside space at Ginza IC too. >>1191337
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Are extension of highway and freeway directly to be blane for for the decline of rail transportation in Shikoku and Hokkaido? Should government give up rail and continues to expand freeway or highway, given that most trips in both area have already shifted to be done by automobiles? Or should they stop constructing highways and freeways while upgrading existing rail infrastructure to something like superexpress in order to nake railways competitive against road travel?
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>>1191626
No it's the declining and aging population. Many expressways built there are also facing losses and criticized as wastes.
Straightening and upgrading conventional speed line standards definitely make sense than dreaming about Shinkansen. Whether it has to be Super Limited Express is doubtful, as existing conditions are often very subpar and there's no strong demand. Personally 160, 130, or even 100-120 are all acceptable case-by-case dependent.
Would prefer ordinary bypass roads over expressways in connecting those outlying remote rural areas. For some A' Routes (Ordinary national route limited access road road in parallel with national expressway), and B Routes (Ordinary national route limited access road), choice of building to expressway/motorway standard can be reconsidered. Shikoku more ok. Hokkaido is a bigger offender.
(Limited access road: motor vehicle only road)
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>>1191659
But then the drop in ridership seems to be even more drastic than population drop.
As for speed, aren't trains in Hokkaido running at 100+kph already?
And then there are those line segments upgraded by Hokkaido High Speed Rail Development Holding although they are suffering from losses too
Indeed even with a faster speed, with that amount of population probably not much more traffic can be drawn in when intra-Hokkaido air routes are usually just flown by props and total capacity of buses across different cities in Hokkaido aren't exactly a lot either
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>>1191675
Abashiri direction seems to be the weakest link for JR compared to both buses and aircraft
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https://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/218166
>Single track new shinkansen line using fuel cell battery powered train
Is that even remotely realistic?
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>>1191702
Which part?
A single-track full-Shinkansen cost estimate: https://policy-practice.com/db/3_61.pdf

>>1191675
That's called top speed, and is not achieved everywhere. Need to straighten and upgrade track sections further for higher average/scheduled speed. Even then, by easing alignment geometry, vehicle requirements, cost, wear, and comfort can be improved.
Don't forget about Shikoku either.
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>>1191737
Page 3 of that toyo keizai article briefly mentioned using fuel cell battery instead of constructing catenary to save cost.

And Kiha 285 will probably help improve the total trip speed but that's really shikataganai.
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Further info and proposal document for Okinawa rail

http://oki-tetsukidou-pi.com/%e7%ac%ac%ef%bc%99%e5%9b%9e%e8%a8%88%e7%94%bb%e6%a4%9c%e8%a8%8e%e5%a7%94%e5%93%a1%e4%bc%9a%e3%81%ae%e8%b3%87%e6%96%99%e3%82%92%e6%8e%b2%e8%bc%89%e3%81%97%e3%81%be%e3%81%97%e3%81%9f%e3%80%82/

http://oki-tetsukidou-pi.com/%e6%b2%96%e7%b8%84%e9%89%84%e8%bb%8c%e9%81%93%e3%81%ae%e6%a7%8b%e6%83%b3%e6%ae%b5%e9%9a%8e%e3%81%ab%e3%81%8a%e3%81%91%e3%82%8b%e8%a8%88%e7%94%bb%e6%a1%88%e3%81%ae%e7%ad%96%e5%ae%9a%e3%81%ab%e3%81%a4/
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Is there any reason why the Chidori stop pattern still haven't been applied onto that three stations in Suginami district on Chuo line, Tokyo?
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Anyone know how much freight do Japanese railways haul compared to railoads in the US?

Is it more? Less?
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>>1192584

A lot less, as in less than 10% since JR Freight doesn't actually own the majority of the tracks it operates on (they only own branch lines that lead to their yards) so they have to pay various JR companies to operate on their lines (JR Freight is classified as Second Sector Operators) and they usually operate in shitty time slots as passenger trains have priority during day-time. In addition, most of the freight transport in Japan are done with ships and trucks due to the country being a long strip of land.
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>>1192584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99x3cpwxH0M
They explain it a bit.
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>>1192584
Japan doesn't have much rail freight, since a) railways have dense passenger service and b) there aren't so many large loads travelling long distances.
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>>1192674
Then why is there so much freight traffic in the Seikan Tunnel/Kaikyou Line? Such freight trains limit the Hokkaido Shinkansen to 140 km/h, which makes travel time between Tokyo~Shin-Hakodatehokuto 4h2m and Tokyo~Sapporo in 2031 at 5h1m, it takes so long that air travel wins out (which may be one of the reasons that the line is hemorrhaging money)

Is it something unique to Hokkaido/Tohoku e.g. lots of agriculture, cold weather), is it the geography (Hokkaido is separated from Honshu by the Tsugaru Strait)?
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>>1192798
Well I mean the tsuragu strait had a bad habit of eating ferrys. That's the whole reason the senkan tunnel is a thing.
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>>1192931

Okay, typhoons, that makes sense. I guess I really wanted to know if there something inherent to Hokkaido (besides wanting to avoid mass-fatality ferry sinkings i.e. Typhoon Vera) that creates a high level of rail freight traffic, compared to the minuscule amount of rail freight traffic in the rest of Honshu and points south. I mean, even the Kyushu Shinkansen can do the full 360 km/h in the Shin-Kanmon Tunnel between Shiminoseki and Hakata.
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>>1192959
Not really, after the ferry sinking in 1954 they decided they should do it. That's really it. And with freight it's a godsend for Hokkaido since they can get goods down south faster. Also the shin-kanmon tunnel isnt dual gauge. Also say if the seikan tunnel has full speed operation it still wouldn't make taking the shinkansen any better. It's $143 round trip via plane and it's only 2hrs.
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What were the underlying motivations for how the subway lines in Tokyo were designed? Why did they decide on those specific routes? I'll use the Ginza Line as an example

The Japan Times has a pretty good article about the Ginza Line's origins, that details how Hayakawa decided on the Asakusa-Shimbashi part (including. It doesn't go into much detail about how the route was decided for the western part built by Tokyu.

i.e., It was built directly underneath Aoyama-dori and Sotobori-dori (parallels the outer moat of Edo Castle). Why that particular routing, and not something else?

And, how was the routing decided for the Marnouchi Line, Asakusa Line, Hibiya Line, and beyond?

Article: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/12/16/national/history/heart-gold-ginza-line-celebrates-90th-birthday/ (paywall)

>>1192959

>> I mean, even the Kyushu Shinkansen can do the full 360 km/h in the Shin-Kanmon Tunnel between Shiminoseki and Hakata.

The tunnel is part of the Sanyo Shinkansen, the Kyushu Shinkansen starts from Hakata. Also the speed limit in the tunnel is 260 km/h or something
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>>1192639
So I watched that video, and found it really fascinating, but I'm kind of confused. The narration essentially says the rail freight sector has nowhere to grow, and that it's mostly moving to ships, but I don't really get why that's the case.

The US has awful rail infrastructure and we haul tons of freight at a profit. Japan has probably the best rail network in the world and they haul very little freight at a deficit.

I get that part of it is that the US is gigantic compared to Japan, but isn't freight rail even more efficient than sea freight? Wouldn't that lead to more utilization through lower prices?

Is the issue that their rail is too good? That keeping it maintained at passenger standards is too costly compared the bare minimum maintenance US freight railroads do, or is it something else?
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Ah JR West announced that new reasonably priced sleeper train interior design
http://www.westjr.co.jp/press/article/2018/05/page_12409.html
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>>1192798
>>1192959
You have tunnel or bridges for car and truck and other vehicles going into or out of Kyushu or Shikoku. No such thing for Hokkaido. So if you want to transport something faster than ferries but not using the airplanes, train is your only option. Also, Kanmon strait is much narrower than Seikan in the sense that you can literally walk across it.
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>>1193456
>The narration essentially says the rail freight sector has nowhere to grow, and that it's mostly moving to ships, but I don't really get why that's the case.

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the reason is posted somewhere above ITT. In Japan passenger rail is king. Freight is not, and as such has far fewer timeslots when trains can move from place to place. Given that constriction, plus Japan's geography, coastal shipping makes more sense than rail in most cases now that truck freight is dwindling.

In the US, other than a few long distance Amtrak trains, freight trains have free run of the rail network. Given the flexibility in when they can run, and the flexibility of what they can haul given how absolutely gargantuan US freight trains are versus other countries, rail freight is incredibly efficient in the US compared to truck or sea freight.
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>>1192798
Maybe a better and easier way to cut the travel time would be to increase the operational speed for the Northern section of Tohoku Shinkansen but 1. That would still be limited gain compared to potential demand and the cost would further increase and potentially bleeding more money, and 2. Cities in Hokkaido are small except Sapporo.
Hakodate only have a population of 270K. Just a bit more than the city of Yamaguchi and even less than the city of Akita.The only reason for it to open now is the expected connection further up tp Sapporo. And unlike when Kyushu Shinkansen opened till Shin-Yatsuahuro, which was a realistic option for people in Kagoshima and Miyazaki to drive or ride bus/train to the station and then transfer to Shinkansen, Sapporo to Hakodate is something like 4 hours away by train/car/bus, so obviously they are not able to cut into any traffic coming from Sapporo until the Sapporo extension is to be completed.
I think what they have to do now is to cut the schedule down even more to limit the lost despite it would mean less than hourly service
>>1193456
US rail infrastructure is awful by the standard of passenger rail. They are good for freight shipment. From what I heard, China have been envious to the United States' ability to send so much cargo across the rail network. It seems like China are currently lacking the knowledge in some technologies to even produce the quality of steel that would be needed for that to happen.
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>>1193456
As for the "nowhere to frow" comment, it is directed toward major truck routes, including Seikan tunnel, and also as pictured in the video, the route from Tokaido line from Tokyo to Osaka.
The situation of Passenger transportation taking priority over freight transportation is probably most significant around Tokyo area and Osaka area where numerous rail lines that are formerly dedicated to freight transport have been, or are going to, be converted to passenger rail line
If the rail freight business become more active and profitable then we might be able to see new freight rail line being constructed for the purpose, but with the current market share of rail freight compared to truck and marine transportation and also its profitability I don't think it would happens anytime soon
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>>1193726
>Kanmon strait is much narrower than Seikan

You meant to say Tsugaru Strait, not Seikan, right?(笑)
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>>1193781
ah right
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>>1193781
It's narrrower than Seikan Tunnel's span so still makes sense.
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The E-956 experimental shinkansen trainset will be built by spring next year
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>>1194206
Hello time traveler. You are late. Any more updates?
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>>1194334
i think I have just read a news reposted by time traveller when I made the post
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Japan Railway Journal Episode 51
Tobu Railway's Revaty Express: Moving Forward to a Better Nikko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyiCNpXLQLE
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>>1193869
Is this measuring modal share over distance? I can't read moonrunes.
If it is, then the most surprising thing about that graph is that 11% of people would still take a train over 1000km.
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>>1196277
Tokyo - Nagoya
Tokyo - Osaka
Tokyo - Okayama
Tokyo - Hiroshima
Tokyo - Fukuoka
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i really really like the styling of the 181/481 series
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>>1196224
Fucking hell, good content but why are Japanese production values always so shit?

It's like watching a shitty American travel show from the 90s.
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>>1196505
JR's got some really wacky rolling stock, yet they always seem to make it work somehow.
Pic related.
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Shinano Railway announces that it will be building new train sets to replace the aging 115 Series EMU, which are approaching 40 years of age. It will be based on JR East's E129 Series EMU and a total of 26 sets will be gradually enter service from 2019 to 2026

http://www.shinanorailway.co.jp/news/20180531_torishimariyakukai_syaryou_gaiyou.pdf

>>1196534

Considering that it is Japanese AND made by a public broadcasting company it is rather obvious

>>1196672

Well, that one's a purpose built one-off which is why they can make them interesting in terms of design. Otherwise most rolling stock for regular service are kinda samey ie. JR West and its family of literal same-face trainsets (225-5000, 227, 323, and third batch of the 521 EMUs)
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>>1196277
yes it is.
The 1069km train ride from Tokyo to Fukuoka take about five hours. Trains are less competitive in this city pair because in addition to the time/distance factor and the ticket price factor, airport of both cities are very close to the city center (With Fukuoka airport right at the center of the city and Tokyo Haneda airport just a short ride from the city itaelf.) But still there are people who don't want to travel by plane and prefer the train.
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>>1196534
Go watch kawaii international and you tell me about how bad Japan railway journal is in terms of production value.
Real talk tho it's a shame that and train cruise are the only two rail autist shows out there.
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what is best Private Raiload?
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>>1197348
In terms of coverage, tobu.
Tokyo metro is cool buy the strange neat ones are oigawa, kominasato and ETR.
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>>1197348
Keikyu
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https://rail-mtb.com/course/okuhida-gou/
Ah you can now try to be a rail conductor at Hida
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>>1197356
>>1197454
[This]
Keio and Odakyu are cool. So is Keihan.
>>1197356
> coverage
Kintetsu
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>>1184902
So what happened several earth quakes and tsunamis?
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Currently on this speedy boy, bound for Imabari.
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>>1198427
post pics of inside
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Track maps are called "配線略図" (haisen ryakazu) in Japanese. Is there a Japanese name for Marey charts as well?
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>>1191212

> Why would you think Tamachi station will be served in the first place???
> It's not like Keihin-Touhoku will be the line running through.

The physical branch point will be close to Tamachi, even though trains to the airport will only stop at Shimbashi and Shinagawa, At least I think that's what the post meant.

Ideally, there would be branching/switching tracks from the Oshio Freight Line to the Tokaido Main Line around Tamachi. However, the spur to the Oi Shinkansen Depot gets in the way. 大汐短絡線 may end up running underground, cutting below the Tokaido Shinkansen tracks.

Photo credit: http://building-pc.cocolog-nifty.com/helicopter/2015/05/post-c0aa.html
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>>1198682

It is called ダイヤ (Dia), a shortfrom of ダイヤグラム (Diagram)
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>>1191123
Are you having a stroke?
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http://www.jreast.co.jp/shinagawa_shineki/
They are recruiting name for the new station on Yamamote line near Shinagawa
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JR West considering the introduction of Green Car- like carriage with premium seats on New Rapid services in Spring 2023
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[Off-topic] /jrg/ - Japanese Roads General
After Gaikan Expressway Misato-minami IC - Takaya JCT section opens up, news come Kan-Futa (Ring Road No.2) completion would be delayed to 2022 owning to the Tsukiji-Toyosu Markets affairs, meaning it couldn't open up in time for the 2020 Olympics.
It's reasonably worry whether Ariake BRT and the less desirably connected Yurakucho Line can do the job well for the Seafront.
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Between Two Moving Trains in Tokyo? | Yurakucho JR Station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNHesr8P1Ak
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Tokyo by Train
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49VfddU-L4
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We went to the Kyoto Railway Museum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaEGVYFP4o
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We went to the Nagoya Linear Railroad Museum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1x1_zPOcDY
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>>1198878
Goddam 0 Series and 100 Series are aesthetic as fuck.
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https://youtu.be/2OInuZFHeQo
Just saw this animation short made by Kyoto transport department to promote riding metro
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>>1198868
http://dorattara.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1540.html
They were planning tp use automated bus on the BRT?
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>>1198951
The media franchise/project was launched long ago, and this anime is crowdfunded.
Collaboration with Station Memories (Eki-Memo)
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>>1198942
I'd say those OG bullet bois really aged a lot better than most of the other trains from the time
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"Tamori Club" Odakyu Tourism Tour! reserved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0HxIOCmAIg
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"Tamori Club" Omiya Railway Museum October 05 and 12, 2007 broadcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUQeT0nZRH4
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Recording movie Tokaido Shinkansen (1964)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lWBDxTMudY

English subtitles are possible
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2017/8 TRAIN SUITE SHIKI-SHIMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_E7sdeXkY
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Initial release of a gorgeous sleeper train "Rui-kaze", the inside of the car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uswAzz0OLGE
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Imperial vehicle E655 series "Nagomi" came on board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmGUulGldIA
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>>1199153
Something I'm curious about. How big is Japan's loading gauge? Those look like what I'd call one-and-a-half decker cars, so I'm guessing they juat didn't have enough room to make them full double-deckers.
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>>1199159
JR and private rail loading gauge.
Personally I find "bilevel" describes same-height "double-decker" car well.
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>>1199185
>>1199159
Legal maximum only. You better look at the actual dimensions of rail vehicles.
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>>1199159
I believe in many of these cars the lower deck have to be lowered below regular platform height but that's it?
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https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20180608-00000040-mai-bus_all
The ruling party committee have also decided to give up Nagasaki FGT
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Japan's Night Train: The Sleeper Car Adventure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEY-CbBaSD4
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1/2 Half a century ago Japan Railway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwThQPFRIOs
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>Man stabbed death on Tokaido Shinkansen (Nozomi train)
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>>1199185
I threw together a crappy photoshop comparing that to the largest loading gauge in America and it's less of a difference than I thought.
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>>1199721
Isn't that mainly for double stack container trains?
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>>1199721
Yes. Which is something Japan couldn't do because of its widespread electrification (not that that's a bad thing overall).

For a more relevant comparison, you'd want to look at Plate F, the one the giant bilevel Amtrak Superliners use. It's only about a meter shorter than Plate H.

In general - US railroads have their stuff huge for one reason. If it's big, bulky, freight, they can haul it better than anyone else on the planet. But if it's passengers? Good fucking luck.

Slightly more on topic, can anyone tell me the name of the automatic coupler design the shinkansen uses? I don't think it's the Schwarfenberg exactly, but it's similar.
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>>1199745
Quoted the wrong post.
>>1199738
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>>1186603
the olympics has never not been a complete clusterfuck for the country hosting it, whether we're talking about before, during, or after
still sad these idiots decided to take it on
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w-what
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>>1199749
1964 Tokyo and 2008 Beijing are something that could be said as meaningful?
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>>1199745
Shibata is a variant of Scharfenberg
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>>1199749
Aside from 1964 Tokyo Olympics >>1199755, Nagano Shinkansen was built for the 1998 Winter Olympics. Sapporo decided to delay its application for 2026 Winter to 2030 to allow Hokkaido Shinkansen to complete.
Tokyo is getting quite a lot done in time for 2020. The overcapacity concern isn't scare material.
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>>1199760
>>1199745
Of which Sumitomo's Shinkansen coupler is a variant of again.
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>>1199749
The ones in the 60s and 70s werent always bad. Its mainly nowdays that its gaurenteed to be a complete money pit.
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>>1199710

So another case huh

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180610/p2g/00m/0dm/036000c

>>1199870

Considering how a lot of the venues from recent Olympics become unused and deserted right after the event, maybe they should just have a permanent rotating schedule
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>北海道の高橋はるみ知事は、2018年5月18日の記者会見で、北海道新幹線札幌延伸の開業時期前倒しに意欲を示した後、「その先をどうするかということも大いに関心があります」と述べました。

>知事は、「できれば稚内までと思いますけれども、それだと道東の方々はどう思われるのか」「収益を上げるという意味では、新千歳空港までつないだほうが良い」と続け、具体的な地名として「稚内」と「新千歳空港」の2つを挙げました。

So.... Wakkanai Shinkansen?
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>>1200032
Sapporo-Asikawa and Sapporo-Chitose has always been a section of the Kihon Keikaku Kita-mawari and Minami-mawari Hokkaido Shinkansen.
Wakkanai is because of the persisting dream of a Sakhalin Tunnel.
Frankly both are more possible than many other Basic Plans Shinkansen routes.
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>>1200069
With Seikan tunnel currently running at capacity, even if they actually build that Sakhalin tunnel, how are they going to handle all those freights routing through it?
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>>1200071
Guess we can imagine JR Freight will only extend services but not increase frequency?
If there will be a Sakhalin Tunnel, I won't really worry about Seikan Tunnel improvements not happening.
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>>1200072
Those Seikan tunnel improvement works are mainly for improving Shinkansen speed that I don't think it helps a lot in capacity?
As for JR freight what are their current load factors on trains to Hokkaido?
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>>1200072
If they're really going to build a bridge between Hokkaido and Sakhalin then they might as well build another bridge between Hokkaido and Honshu. Bonus point for physically and legally blocking the channel from large Chinese military vessels
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>>1200092
A single-track freight rail tunnel following the eastern alignment of Seikan Tunnel was proposed as one solution to the current speed and capacity deficit.
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>>1200118
390 billion yen and 15 years would be needed for that.
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>>1200071
Remove Hokkaido Shinkansen.
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>>1200122
Then what's the point of Wakkanai Shinkansen?
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>>1200126
Nobody is gonna take the shinkansen to go to Wakkanai from further than Hakodate.
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https://youtu.be/SMYw91334Po
Unmanned monorail in a Japanese golf course that is currently closed?
https://youtu.be/kfvJOE6oeVY
Another one at certain resort?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWoa697CSLI
Japan Railway Journal Episode 52
Gakunan Electric Train: A New Outlook in the Foothills of Mt. Fuji
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>>1200069
>Sakhalin Tunnel
Japan<->Europe by train?
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>>1201287
Sakhalin trains are the shit. Too bad they're regauging the network.
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>>1201483
I love the look of these trains.
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I am a layman-kun but I thought a lot of the projects won't be ready in time for the Games. e.g. Haneda Airport Access and expansion of waterfront subway service won't be ready for a while.

Back in January, Tokyo Metropolis appropriated 15.2 trillion yen for six projects:

> Haneda Airport Access Line Higashiyamanote route (from Tamachi)

> Kama-Kama Line

> Extending the Yurakucho Line to Sumiyoshi

> Extending Toei Oedo Line to Seibu-Oizumi-Gakuen

> Northern and southern extensions for Tama Monorail

The MLIT advisory committee and Transport Policy Council have both recommended a 2030 start date for these projects, and these are just the ones that have hard numbers attached to them. I have yet to hear about budget appropriations for the other projects in the draft report. (TX extension/downtown and seaside subway plan, Namboku Line extension plan to Shinagawa, new downtown direct subway plan, etc.)

The biggest things I've heard of that sound more concrete, besides the expansion/redevelopment of Shinjuku/Shibuya/Shinagawa, are the Chuo-Sobu Line upgrades between Suidobashi~Shinjuku, and the downtown-seaside BRT opening in 2019.
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>>1201802
>> Extending Toei Oedo Line to Seibu-Oizumi-Gakuen
Wrong. Oizumi-Gakuen-cho does not mean Oizumi-Gakuen Station
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>>1201287
?
Basically a longer, hopefully better Trans-Siberian Railway train cruise with Japanese input onto the main line service. Still, mostly freight.
The Bering fixed crossing, for example, is easier than what you may think.
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>>1201877
>Basically a longer, hopefully better Trans-Siberian Railway train cruise with Japanese input onto the main line service.
>Still, mostly freight.
That's exactly what I meant.
The media won't shut up about those freight trains from China to Britain, so that would seem like a natural expansion on that.
Wouldn't mind riding a passenger rail service on that line one day, though. Would make that boat/plane ride from/to Vladivostok superfluous.
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>>1182827
That must be very cool to ride.
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>>1184902
Are the delays common in Japan?
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>>1201876
Damn. Toei will be missing out on some primo Seibu thru-service. I guess Kotake-Mukaihara is so close by that Oedo-Seibu thru service isn't really necessary.
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>>1202228
Not him, and I can only talk about my own, brief experience.

Coming from Switzerland, arguably the country with the second-best rail system in the world, I'm quite used to trains being on time.

Of course, we too get the odd 3 or 5 minute delay here, that's nothing special and from time to time there's the one train out that's 30 minutes late.

I've been in Japan for a total of 5 weeks only, so this is just an anecdote really.

While I found the trains there to me much less likely to be late than anywhere in Europe.
1. No delays on any of my long-distance shinkansen rides.
2. While going to the Fuji-Q highland, we had to take the Super Azusa, a limited express IIRC and that train actually arrived at the interchange station 20 minutes late. I was quite surprised by that, since there were no announcements in English.
3. While going north from Ueno towards Mito, we took the Hitachi, another express, and that one departed Ueno 20 minutes behind schedule. There was an earthquake about 5 hours earlier, and apparently that caused the disruption. Now I'm not blaming JR for natural disasters but I found them to not reacting very well. Instead of turning around the late inbound train in Ueno to prepare the trainset for an on-time departure there, it went all the way to Tokyo or Shinagawa. From Ueno onwards, the passengers coming in could have easily switched to any other train within Tokyo.
3. Our Yamanote line train once stood still in Nippori station for 10 minutes without any information in English. Now this could've been a planned stop but seeing Yamanote line trains usually run in 4 minute intervalls, it was quite strange.
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>>1202338
>>1202228
Well, the only actual criticism I could come up with is that Japan doesn't really have passenger rights for train rides.
There never really was a public outcry over the lack of them, because usually something outside the realm of JR's responsibility needs to go wrong for trains to run late.
While especially with Deutsche Bahn it's rather the norm for them to fuck up everything themselves.

Please, SBB, buy Deutsche Bahn, and save Germany.
Mehdorn, Grube or Lutz doesn't appear to make a difference.
I know I'm asking for a lot, but this country needs to get off the Autobahn, or we are fucked. You included.
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>>1202338
>Switzerland, arguably the country with the second-best rail system in the world
It's like you're looking to pick a fight here, m8. This isn't even funny, I'll fucking end you and everyone you love. Come at me bro.
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>>1202362
What country (except Japan) supposedly has a better railway system than Switzerland?

I'm not from Switzerland, but I agree.
There is a reason Switzerland gets brought up in discussions all over Europe when it comes to railways.
They have the right time tables, they have the right tickets, they have the right trains. Where they are behind Japan is the frequency of trains, but that's mostly because Switzerland's population is not even a quarter of the population of the Kanto area.
And when you got trains running at the frequencies they run at in Japan, you don't really need to optimize time tables for transfers anymore.
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>>1202367
I'm saying Switzerland has THE best rail system in the world, even better than Japan (of course considering its population and its needs, you obv can't compare 1:1)
>CH isn't closing down rural lines, instead they all maintain at least hourly frequency. Japan only has such high frequency in urban areas
>CH has yuge rail freight share. Rail freight in Japan is almost irrelevant (despite more population and more area)
>CH has better non-HSR long-distance rail service. Japan has only shinkansen or a gorillion train changes when using regional trains)
>CH has "integraler taktfahrplan", ie country-wide coordinated timetable where trains are always synched, also synched with bus services
The only thing Japan has better than Switzerland is the Shinkansen, and Switzerland doesn't really need a segregated HSR system, because distances don't require it and regular trains already go up to 200 km/h on some stretches.
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>>1202371
I see and I agree.
JNR >>>> JR
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>>1202033
At that distance/time plane are still advantageous and ferry would still be needed to move cars and such
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>>1201483
You have to change gauge to access Mainland Russia railroad anyway, there's barely any difference for changing gauge at Sakhalin vs mainland
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>>1201802
That BRT won't make it by the tine the game start. See >>1198868
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>>1202377
For freight time usually isn't that crucial.
Once you have your logistics set up and running, the time distance between locations doesn't matter at all.

Sure, there are exceptions, but in those cases railways cannot hope to compete even within a country.
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>>1202338
It is actually rather common for through service between Tokyo and Ueno to terminate after accidents occur.. Not sure about this case
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>>1202380
I mean passenger plane/ferry service. Especially with the comment about people driving their own car across Sea of Japan
Train should actually be faster than the ferry for freights especially after counting the time of loading and unloading to ferry or train
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>>1202228
I had no noticeable train delays in any major city's rail transit. There was a 5~ minute delay on the JR Nikko and Ban'Etsu lines when I visited Nikko and Aizu-wakamatsu.
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>>1202228
Bears are a threat.
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>>1202228
Ueno-Tokyo line: There's not a single day it haven't been delayed in its first year operation and is apparently counting forward.
https://plus.google.com/103424041561518621124/posts/j78KLAaHf8V
(Although this line is rather special in the JR network operation)
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>>1202237
How the fuck do you run conventional rail through steel-on-steel linear motor line? Oedo Line rolling stock would be undersized and underutilizing Seibu line capacity.

>>1202033
> freight trains from China to Britain
Urgh am very annoyed by those rhetorics.

>>1202338
> From Ueno onwards, the passengers coming in could have easily switched to any other train within Tokyo.
You must have forgotten about the limited express fare.
> Our Yamanote line train once stood still in Nippori station for 10 minutes
Maybe service interval adjustment.

>>1202372
> JNR >>>> JR
Lol.

>>1202371
I would conclude Japan do better in urban and metropolitan areas then.
> CH isn't closing down rural lines, instead they all maintain at least hourly frequency
Which is because Japan is much more centralized and concentrated.
> a gorillion train changes when using regional trains
You taking Rapid Acty on Tokkaido Line, Rapid Rabbit on Touhoku Line, or those Liner services before? The New Rapids delivers where there's demand. Elsewhere better channel passengers onto Shinkansen to save cost on conventional lines.
> integraler taktfahrplan
There's numerous rail and bus operators. As you suggested, frequency is such high synchronizing timetable isn't necessary in urban areas. For rural areas, it exist, especially to cater for Shinkansen.

>>1202532
Akita Shinkansen Tazawako Line Sengan-touge (Pass) section, like Yamagata Shinkansen Itaya-touge section, will be re-tunneled to speed up and minimize weather effects.
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Moving metro trains by hand
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>>1202793
Cool
If the amount of people working it were even half of the train's capacity it'd be a walk in the park
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>>1202237

Oedo Line uses linear induction motors and standard gauge while Seibu lines use the conventional overhead line system and Cape gauge, like most commuter heavy rail systems in Japan.

In fact the Oedo Line is one of three electrified railways in Tokyo that I know of, that don't use overhead propulsion (the other two being Ginza and Marunouchi subway lines which use 600 V third rail).
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>>1202890
>overhead propulsion
Anon... The closest train to Tokyo with "overhead propulsion" is the Chiba Monorail IIRC. You meant overhead power and the Oedo line uses an overhead 3rd rail like overhead wires (that's how the locomotive can go through and onto the Asakusa line and so Keikyu / Keisei). Thus, only the G line and the Mm line use "foot" power.
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I think I understand. So I guess if Tokyo-area conventional railways (excluding monorails, trams, cable cars, etc.) were to be catagorized by electrification, propulsion, and gauge, it would look like this:

Oedo: 1.5kV DC overhead, linear motor, standard gauge

Ginza/Marunouchi: 600V DC third rail, VVVF, standard gauge

Toei Asakusa Line, Keisei railways and Keikyu railways: 1.5kV DC overhead, chopper control, standard gauge

Toei Shinjuku Line and Keio {excl. Inokashira Line} railways: 1.5kV DC overhead, VVVF, Scotch gauge

Joban Line north of Abiko, TX north of Moriya, and Mito Line: 20kV AC 50Hz overhead, VVVF, Cape gauge

Tohoku Main Line north of Takaku: 20kV AC 50Hz overhead, Thyristor drive, Cape gauge

Most other JR, private, and subway lines in Kanto + Keio Inokashira Line: 1.5kV DC overhead, VVVF, Cape gauge

Sorry if I overlooked any exceptions.
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>>1202890
The Oedo line has a overhead rail. It's pantograph is p smol and cute.
>>1202940
The only thing that still uses choppers is older keisei stock. All old Keikyu stock only runs South of shinagawa. And the 5300 series is gto-vvvf.
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>>1202940
>>1202955

Only 719 series uses Thyristor DC drives. 701 and E721 series use IGBT-VVVF.
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>>1202940
Hachikou Line has non-electrified section.
> chopper control
Hello time traveler?
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>>1202940
>Sorry if I overlooked any exceptions.
The Shinkansen?
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>>1203204
>>1203310

Only 600 and 1500 series use chopper control, and they don't run onto the Asakusa Line.

>>1202940

> The Shinkansen?

OP said conventional commuter lines only, so Shinkansen doesn't count. Only one OP missed was Hachiko Line, and some other minor ones (like Karasuyama Line). BTW, between Kuroiso~Shin-Shiraoka, E531-3000 AC/DC EMUs and KiHa 110 DMUs are used.
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>>1203341
Yup the non-electrified Karasuyama Line uses BEMU.
> AC/DC EMU
Only electrification and propulsion control is considered, if that's what >>1202940 meant.
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Yurikamome, Saitama New Shuttle and Nippori-Toneri Liner are all rubber-tired AGT systems (on an elevated concrete guideway) with 600 V AC 50 Hz third rails (polyphase). I know Yurikamome uses IGBT-VVVF for traction but I don't know about the other two.

Shinkansen are of course 25 kV AC 60 Hz and standard gauge. Except for the two Mini-Shinkansen lines in Tohoku which are 20 kV AC 50 Hz just like conventional lines in Tohoku (they were originally conventional lines, regauged to standard gauge). The loading gauges are still Cape gauge, however, so speeds are limited to 120 km/h.

BTW, what ever happened to the double-decker Shinkansens? (E1 MAX and E4 MAX.) Why were they retired?)
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>>1204167

The major reason is probably their top speed of 240 km/h could be a hinderance to scheduling and over-capacity outside of rush hours (I believe the concept of using Shinkansen as a mean for commuting might be going out of style), plus E1's steel body mean it's lifespan is probably shorter than the modern aluminium body ones (E1 is the last steel body Shinkansen EMUs to be retired). Knowing JR East they might keep some of the newer E4s around for seasonal trains when large capacity is needed
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>>1204170

> (I believe the concept of using Shinkansen as a mean for commuting might be going out of style)

So if I understand you correctly, since not as many people are using Shinkansen to commute like they did in the 80s, capacity (MAX trains) is being de-emphasized in favor of more frequent trains overall (a more densely scheduled diamond). Furthermore, the MAX trains' slow top speed of 240 km/h would lead to bottlenecks down the line since faster trainsets like the E5 wouldn't be able to overtake them.
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>>1204211

Well, the E4s were taken out of Tohoku Shinkansen and relegated to Joetsu Shinkansen back in 2012 as E5s began entering service in 2011 (probably to prevent bottlenecks as you mentioned). As JR East will build more E5* and E7 Series EMUs for both Tohoku and Joetsu Shinkansen services I would assume they will probably scrap all the older E2 EMUs as well.

*There are currently 38 E5 sets in service right now, which is 21 short of the intended number of train sets JR East is planning to build
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>>1204167
Additionally, Ueno-Omiya Station section is at capacity
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So,
- With the new tunnel Akita Shinkansen will upgrade the speed to 160 km/h
- Hokuriku 3 sectors are planning through services
- Japanese government changed the law to help recovery of money-losing lines after disaster even if the company itself is profiting under certain circumstances. JR Kyushu seems to be waiting for the law to pass before conducting recovery of some lines
- Joban line decontamination seems to be making steady process and is on track to full reopening by 2020 Spring
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>>1204412
>on track to full reopening by 2020 Spring

Cannot wait for all those pieces on the recovery of Japan from the Touhoku Disaster during the Olympics on Western TV.
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https://www.club-t.com/special/japan/freightline/
Some special tour on freight line in Japan?
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>>1204453
Looks like it.

Isn't freight-by-rail abysmally small in Japan, though?
Narrow gauge and a dense population of commuter trains without sidings seems like a deadly combination for freight.
I'd assume most of that is done by ship in Japan.
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>>1204463

There was an discussion about this subject earlier in the thread. You're mostly right, with the exception of Hokkaido. Hokkaido has most of the country's farmland, but is separated from Honshu by the Tsugaru Strait. The island is also prone to typhoons that can sink ferries. This is what happened with the Toya Maru in 1954, and the accident became the primary motivator to build the Seikan Tunnel.

Ever since the tunnel opened in 1988, most freight from Hokkaido has been transported by rail since it's safer. The freight traffic on the Kaikyou Line means that the Hokkaido Shinkansen (which runs alongside) is limited to 140 km/h, so Tokyo~Shin-Hakodate-OmaeWaShindeiru takes ~4h5m. Flying is much faster. This corridor is one of the few in Japan where air travel wins out over Shinkansen (the other is Tokyo-Fukuoka where flying has an 89% market share).

Hokkaido and Aomori are maybe the only places in Japan where there's a lot of rail freight. Kyushu doesn't have this problem because the Kanmon Strait is narrow enough for road traffic to cross without issue. So the Sanyo Shinkansen can go from Shiminoseki to Hakata at relatively high speed.
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>>1204589
>Toya Maru
Well, that was an interesting read.
Thanks for bringing it up.
>However, ferry traffic still continues to operate in the strait.
Not train ferries, though, right?
The only JR ferry I know about is at Miyajima/Itsukushima, and that doesn't even carry trains.
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>>1204610
>Not train ferries, though, right?

Passenger ferries, like this: https://www.tsugarukaikyo.co.jp/
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>>1204453
The underground Tokaido Freight Line and Takashima Line are attractive.
Should be able to see Kanagawa Eastward Line and Hazawa Yokohama-Kokudai Station in construction.
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>>1204463
ships
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>>1186079
Ah fuck they have the eva?
Shit I want to see that so much




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