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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html


New timeline...

Jesus Campos now reporting he was shot at 9:59 pm, six minutes before massacre occurred. Before he was shot in the leg (really a bullet ricocheted into his leg) he said he was responding to a door alarm. Bullet hit and he just stayed there? it says another maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor..unrelated and campos helped him to safety. why didn't he help himself to safety because after he supposedly did that he sat outside of the room while there was gunfire. Police did not arrive for nearly twenty minutes. NO ONE heard the 200 rounds fired at campos. how could no one hear that in a hotel? why did he wait so long in between shooting into the hallway to shooting the crowd? also say that he checked in on sept 25 as opposed to the originally stated sept 28.
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jesus
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Are they setting up another patsy?
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why didn't anybody from the hotel...any security guards or maintenance or anyone at all help campos? also campos just stayed near the gunfire? why didn't he get out of there? why wasn't the hotel immediately put on lockdown? campos is a "hero"? he could have stopped it. SIX MINUTES went by before the shooting. it could have been called into the police and communicated to the people at the concert in some sort of way. nothing is adding up . changing the narrative again but they're so stupid they're making it even worse!
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yeah i am not buying this security guard hero thing at all.
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>>185831
> he said he was responding to a door alarm.

Like a door alarm from someone running down the fire stairs, right next to the shooters room?

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting/22fb73afb7c34c5efe4341d85f85a1dd4df0a403/room-diagram-600.jpg

> NO ONE heard the 200 rounds fired at campos.

Indeed, and there ain’t anywhere near 200 bullet holes in that door and in fact, the second door doesn’t even have a single bullet hole in it.

http://afamilycdn.com/thumb_w/660/2017/photo-1-1507090679268.jpg
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>>185831
This was sloppy. The deep state really effed this one up

(Quoe shill condemning conspiracies, claiming you're a Russian)
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>>185871
there shouldnt be a door the swat team used explosives to breach.
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The public isn't buying the single shooter story, so Campos, after further "investigation," is going to turn out to have been the 2nd shooter.
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>>185925
John Cena: are you sure about that?
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>200 rounds fired at him
Where are you getting this?
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200 rounds to hallway at security guard
http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooter-how-many-rounds-shots-bullets-hotel-mandalay-bay-2017-10
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Article also says he was responding to a complaint from someone one floor down -of a possible shooting. (no cops call and they send one security guard? he gets shot and doesnt call the cops?)original report says he was responding to an open room door alarm.
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At some point early on, there was an interview with the guy directly below him who talked about what he heard. What stood out to me was how the guy said the shooting sounded far off but he could hear the boots of the police loud as day when they stormed the room.
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>>185925
>there shouldnt be a door the swat team used explosives to breach.

I don't know what method the SWAT guys used, perhaps only small charges on the hinges or just one on the door knob, but it is suspicious that the door appears undamaged except for a couple of bullet holes, when we told that the shooter fired _200 rounds_ thru the door and SWAT knocked it down with a blasting charge...
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“, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.”

Something to note is he shot Campos through the door, meaning paddock shot 200 rounds through the door. The security guard is an excellent plot for people to feel like they have a confirmed ID of the killer.

The shooter shot through the door, Campos never saw him.

I think the shooter killed a paddock and shortly left thereafter
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-used-hotel-freight-elevator-before-attack-las-vegas/
October 10, 2017

Las Vegas shooter believed to have used hotel's freight elevator before attack

Law enforcement sources told CBS News that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock is believed to have used the freight elevator at the Mandalay Bay hotel casino in the days leading up to last week's deadly attack.

It wasn't clear what Paddock used the freight elevator for or how often he used it.
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>>186169
No shit, he was building platforms on the windows and moving the guns to the room

There's also no way the hotel manager wouldnt know about this
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>>186172
> No shit, he was building platforms on the windows and moving the guns to the room

Now they’re saying he rented the hotel room (that is, he was “comped” the room) three days earlier then had been claimed but I see no reason why he couldn’t have used the regular elevator for guests of the hotel to get the suitcases with the guns and ammo into his room.

IIRC, nobody has suggested he brought all the luggage in at one time but instead, brought in a few suitcases at a time over a couple of days.

> There's also no way the hotel manager wouldnt know about this

And how would a guest of the hotel get access to the freight elevator, which I would expect requires an employee key card?
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>>186174
That's the million (sushi) dollar question
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Also ,
Someone used his room key to get into his room while his ca was leaving the parking garage at some point . I’m also interested in this “door alarm”
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>>185831
don't bother read up on this fake shooter, drugged and set up for the job.
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LVRJ sez that security guard did radio in that he had been shot and then took cover in an alcove in the hallway until police arrived. Also said that police cleared the guest rooms on the 32nd floor before entering Paddock's room. Also said that security guard was responding to open guest room door alarm and then heard "drilling" sound in Paddock's room...got shot when he approached the room to investigate.
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About the bullets in the door, it was a two door entrance to the suite, if you notice the second door on the ground it’s covered in bullet holes.

Yup. New developments sure are pouring in, right?

He checked in three days earlier than from what they have told this over the course of ten days?! I mean that should be some pretty easy secret dectective work right?

Newsweek just posted something about how more experts are seeing more of an ISIS connection:

http://www.newsweek.com/if-isis-behind-las-vegas-shooting-terrifying-reason-prove-yet-681166

All of a sudden they are saying that he used the freight elevator to get it all up....steve Wynn sure knew about that days before we all did...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=27u-JH0NdXM

Wynn also had nothing to say bad about paddock, nice people, never owed money, employees claim to have never seen him and his girlfriend drink...

The little bits of truth are coming out. We are lucky to have a forum like this on 4chan. The last video I posted above I thinks been taken down multiple times because I can’t find the first one I’ve watched. All sorts of YouTube channels are talking about the numerous videos about Vegas being taken down and how YouTube is pulling monetization in those channels that can be pegged as having something. These videos keep getting taken down. The police department keeps saying all sorts of crazy, having the sheriff even say that paddock must have been a “super human of sorts to do it alone” (not exact quote but I can pull source for others if needed).

Keep up the work everyone. The 4chan post by “John” on 9/11 at midnight is a good indication that this truly may be one of the only few places on the internet where freedom of speech still exists

Let’s bring justice to Vegas.
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LVRJ also said that coroner can find no abnormality with shooter's brain...no tumors...nothing.
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LVRJ also sez that initial check in date of the 28th was reported because that was the date that Paddock paid for the suite. He did check in on the 25th to a separate (non-suite) room that the hotel paid for (comp'ed). Said that the comp'ed room had little evidence indicating a crime.
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>>186168
>http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooter-how-many-rounds-shots-bullets-hotel-mandalay-bay-2017-10
I agree that the shooter shot Paddock, either before, during, or after the shooting.

It sounds like the security guards were all in on it, in that hotel and others.

I think that there was a team involved, and he was a tag-along or thought he was going to be part of it, then they shot him, carried out the job and left, leaving the dead body behind to look like murder/suicide.

The guy in the hallway is one of the perps, and, him being shot in the leg was part of the plan to make it look like the security wasn't involved. He literally took a bullet for the plan.

The Hotel owners, and security are all n on it...

Mossad/CIA all the way
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>>186316
> About the bullets in the door, it was a two door entrance to the suite, if you notice the second door on the ground it’s covered in bullet holes.

I only count 10 bullet holes in the door (and zero in the other door) and while there may be more holes in the half that’s hidden from view, it sure ain’t no “200 rounds” as the cops and media reported.

Also, we were told the SWAT team used a breaching charge to bust into his room but both doors and the door frame appear to be in suspiciously good condition for being blown open with explosives.

Pic of the hotel room doors;
http://afamilycdn.com/thumb_w/660/2017/photo-1-1507090679268.jpg

> The little bits of truth are coming out. We are lucky to have a forum like this on 4chan.

Indeed, the corporate Mainstream Media are doing very little investigating themselves, simply regurgitating what the authorities are saying and not questioning any of growing number of discrepancies around this incident.

For example, I still haven’t heard ANYTHING from media organizations mentioning what clearly sounds like _two shooters_ in the video taken by the cab driver outside the hotel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf7HObspB0&feature=youtu.be&t=
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Police scanner says they are breaching the door they have a guard shot and everyone clear out . Blow the door then he says one suspect down we will look for another or see if another got away . Couldn’t Campos have relayed that message quickly if one got away ? Lombardo says in press conference about Campos “and that’s when he saw-....got shot .”
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2015 same sharif same we don't know why bulshit https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/us/las-vegas-strip-crash.html?referer=http://www.bing.com/search?q=why%20did%20black%20woman%20drive%20over%20crowd%20in%20vegas&qs=n&form=QBRE&pc=APPL&sp=-1&pq=why%20did%20black%20woman%20drive%20over%20crowd%20in%20vegas&sc=0-45&sk=&cvid=D9B5F1D85354455DA21039857712B25F
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Laura Loomer got a copy of employees list and the security guard was not on the list.
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The maint guy said shooting started in room then in hall so who was shooting at who in hotel room?
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10 days and does any one know how many people were actualy shoote ? I mean 58 killed 500 wounded but how many wounded actually shoot how many bullits did the recover from victams what calibers did any of them have multipal bulit wounds of differnt caliber ? Some perty basic shit not answered
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http://www.newsweek.com/who-jesus-campos-mysterious-las-vegas-guard-center-timeline-mishap-681898

i found some oddities in here too...

from what i have known so far..jesus was alone and went to check the alarm was shot at and struck in the leg from a bullet bouncingoff of something he wasnt directly shot. this article states he was WITH the maintenance guy talking in the hallway they heard shots inside the room and then got shot at. why didnt maintenance go get more help..why werent their "radio calls" taken seriously..but just to point out it is different than the storywhich was told before.

Why does he need a go fund me account to recover??? the friend said she didnt feel safe for him posting his picture? if he is a hero-then why not? you want our money but you dont want us to know who you are


they really didnt think this one through
HAH
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They said last week looking for a woman he was seen on video with now it's 200 video clips he was never with anyone else god they treat us with such disrespect
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This is same sharif that in 2015 when the black woman ran over 35 people on the strip killing one couldn't find a reason why she did it!!!
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You guys have it all wrong on Campos and the maintenance man lol. Not even close
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>>186167
>when we told that the shooter fired 200 rounds
and you think that makes it a conspiracy?
anon would it kill you to exercise some common sense?
how would they know how many rounds he shot through the door? did he manually counted every pow pow pow as he was being shot? were you expecting there be exactly 200 individual holes on the door that they counted?

or maybey just maybey
they just threw out a number?
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That’s because “paddock” did not fire 1 single round through the door.
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Someone else did. 3-5 someone else’s. How else do you put 200 rounds through a door quickly? And no one heard because the entire floor was empty because it was reserved for the botched FBI sting
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The room service cart sure did survive 200 rounds and police blowing the door. There is only one warming tin on the floor but the 2 small empty plastic water bottles still upright and not disturbed. Hmmm
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There is a flight alert for Marylou Danley if she tries to leave the country.

ABC article posted about two hours ago said that authorities are describing paddock as a "disturbed and dangerous man" with a "secret life"
i refreshed my page and those quotations have since been removed.

still no interview with "hero" campos.
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You can’t interview the dead. “Stephen Paddock” was not a man that lost his shit. Remember cameras inside the room? Who was watching on those cameras?
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It also pisses me off that they say the marine called the cops when he heard the gun fire on the crowd which was around 10:05 and he told them it was one floor above him.
if there were 200 rounds and this man can identify gun shots he would have certainly called when rounds were being shot into the hallway...hitting the floor right above his head....SIX MINUTES before the crowd shooting occurred.
thats bc he didnt hear gunshots at 9:59 PM bc that never happened!
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Gunshots did occur 6 minutes before and “Campos” was shot but the shots were not towards the concert at all
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Why does Campos need security. If police/FBI hail him as a hero they should want to clear his name immediately but they're not. instead security is hired
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Yeah but the marine on the floor beneath did not report gunshots at that time. he reported gunshots when the shooting occurred towards the crowd. if he called then he certainly would have called the police had he heard them the first time.
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“Campos” was “hotel security”. He did not survive
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>>186729
> how would they know how many rounds he shot through the door?

Umm, maybe by counting the holes in the door?

> did he manually counted every pow pow pow as he was being shot? were you expecting there be exactly 200 individual holes on the door that they counted?

Pic of the hotel room doors;
http://afamilycdn.com/thumb_w/660/2017/photo-1-1507090679268.jpg

There are only 10 holes visible and the other door has zero holes and neither the doors nor the door frame appears damaged by the SWAT teams breaching charge.
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>>186860
>The room service cart sure did survive 200 rounds and police blowing the door. There is only one warming tin on the floor but the 2 small empty plastic water bottles still upright and not disturbed.

I haven't seen any pics of a service cart, can you post a link?
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>>186884
Swat didn’t “blow” the door. The door was broken down. But the threats had already left the building
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you can hear the "blow" to the door on the police scanner

looks broken down to me
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>>186890
The police are clueless and that is on purpose. You guys are focusing on the wrong things
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http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/unarmed-security-unlikely-hero-of-las-vegas-massacre/


so disgusting ....even the story tellers were disgusted and had to change their story..wonder what theyll come up with tonight!!!
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>>186888
>Swat didn’t “blow” the door.

That's what every report stated and continues to state.

>The door was broken down.

Agreed, it looks like they probably used a battering ram to knock it down.

So why the continuing reports of a "breaching charge"?

And nobody has addressed the lack of 200 bullet holes.
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>>186894
“Campos” was armed. But not because he was “hotel security”
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>>186897
Lol obviously the reports are wrong. That’s why we’re here. And the 200 bullets isn’t that important. Who was shooting at who and why? That’s the question
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it is important because it shows the lack of truth in what they are stating. it's just another lie to add to the pile.
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>>186900
No you’re not understanding. Quit focusing on trying to disprove their story. Prove the story that makes sense
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>>186900
That’s an insignificant lie to blind us from the truth
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>>186899
>Lol obviously the reports are wrong.

"Lol"?

We have 50+ people murdered and in 2017 A.D. somehow the police and media can't get the story straight on something simple like how many bullets thru the door and how SWAT broke it down, not to mention all the other suspicious details.
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we can't PROVE a story because we are not there. we can only disprove what we are being told and state the holes in their stories.
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>>186901
The issue is normalcy bias. Too many people are "certain" it wasn't a setup, or that the hotel wasn't aware of it, or that the FBI/CIA weren't involved at all.

This guy rings of government involvement. Heavy Military background
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>>186903
Because the police are being what to say and what to look at. The local police are as clueless as us. That’s designed that way
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>>186907
Yes you’re correct on a few things. “Stephen Paddock” is not who he appears.
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>>186905
No. What I mean is you have to figure out the story that makes sense and the proof presents itself
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Entire article at:
http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2017/10/11/ann-coulter-media-begging-us-conspiracy-theories-las-vegas/
by ANN COULTER
11 Oct 2017

Media Begging Us for Conspiracy Theories on Las Vegas

Now the media are just taunting us with their tall tales about Stephen Paddock, the alleged Las Vegas shooter. Reputedly serious news organizations are claiming that he made a living playing video poker. That’s like claiming someone made a living smoking crack.

So why are the media insistent that Paddock was getting rich by playing video poker?

I don’t know what happened — and, apparently, neither do the cops — but it’s kind of odd that we keep being told things that aren’t true about the Las Vegas massacre, from the basic timeline to this weird insistence that Paddock made a good living at gambling.

If Paddock wasn’t making money on video poker — and he wasn’t — why would he be cycling millions of dollars through a casino, turning every dollar into, at best, 99 cents?

Maybe Paddock enjoyed video poker. But if the allegedly serious media are going to keep telling us he was making a living doing it, they’re just begging us to say that losing a percent or two on millions of dollars doesn’t make sense as an investment strategy, but it does make sense as a money laundering operation.

And the probable illicit business requiring money to be laundered that leaps out at us in Paddock’s case is illegal gun sales. If true, it would not only explain the arsenal in his hotel room, but also raises the possibility of either an accomplice or different perpetrator altogether.

If this were a movie script, a terrorist would go to Paddock’s room on the pretense of buying guns, kill Paddock, commit the massacre, put his gunshot residue-covered gloves on Paddock’s dead hands and slip out of the room when the coast was clear.
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>>186911
I’m sorry to say that you wasted a lot of time and energy and typing. Ann is wrong. I understand her perspective but it is incorrect
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>>186913
How do you know it's incorrect, provide counter evidence
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I forget who said it possibly Wynn- that it would raise major suspicion if someone had a do not disturb sign on their door for three days straight as Paddock did. Since we now know he actually checked in even earlier...did he have that sign up for five or six days??
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>>186916
Because the focus is all wrong. She is relying on lies to back up her opinion. This was an operation that went wrong. And disputing someone else’s opinion doesn’t make sense. Look at the facts. There are a few in there between the other 99% lies
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>>186918
Because the staff was ordered not to attend to that room under any circumstances
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What do you think the operation was ? To do with the guns? How were the guns going to be taken back out of the hotel? Same way that got in?
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>>186921
Yes. Through the freight elevator. The same way they entered the hotel and the same way they escaped before local PD got to the room
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Does anyone know how close the service elevator was to his room?
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How many hotels had shootings that night?
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>>186921
>Mission: kill people to encourage stricter gun regulations, metal detectors in hotels

Make it look like a set up, or a gun run gone wrong. Tell Stephen he will make it out alive, offer "contingency" plans and escape routes. In reality, Stephen is intended to die.

Inform security of Stephens room. Jose Campos fucks up the plan, Stephen has to fight with him - but hold off the police until his work is finished.
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>>186925
That’s a very good question to ask. Also they couldn’t go out through the fire exit because it was blocked shut
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question about his "suicide"

is it consistent with gun suicide to the mouth? the revolver a few feet behind his head and his eyes open
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Once Stephen has shot enough people, call in SWAT to tie up loose ends.
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>>186930
Entertaining but ultimately wrong
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>>186932
Another great question! Now you guys are thinking
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>>186934
How come?
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yes i just keep thinking about those two things but forgetting to ask...ill try to look into where the service elevator is!
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>>186934
You think he might still be alive?
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>>186941

he is a goner
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>>186941
Lol I am almost 100% certain he is alive and I know where he is. Well not the exact address but he is in the Philippines by now
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>>186884
Newbie to 4C but 25+yrs w/ large city PD. The photo of the door looks staged to me. I've literally been part of over a thousand crime scenes and have never seen crime scene tape placed so symmetrically and perfect. Notice each strip of tape is taut and doesnt sag or wave? Also, notice that each strip has the letters upright and readable? I would bet a winning lottery ticket that the tape was not placed there by a cop and is probably a staged scene. Too perfect.
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>>186945
You’re somewhat correct. The scene unfortunately isn’t staged. But there were certainly things in place before any of this started
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>>186945
are you familiar with the SWAT breach of the door? does that look authentic? From what i recall from the pictures the hinges looked to be in good shape and I didnt not notice a lot of shreds of pieces or broken wood

like others say it looked more broken off by manual force
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>>186947
I doubt those doors are terribly strong. The reason the tape is do taught and perfect because it’s there as a boundary to keep out...even the sheriffs
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In addition to the staged door photo, the fact that these pics, including the pic of a very dead Paddock, was released gives me reason to question the validity of any of them. There are very few cops and even fewer Feds that will risk their careers by releasing a crime scene photo, especially one of this magnitude. I think these pics were staged and intentionally released to the public. I'd be very cautious when drawing conclusions based on these photos or any information released by LVMPD or FBI.
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>>186951
That’s not “Stephen Paddock” as we know of him. Of course they were “leaked”. That was intentional
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>>186946
I'm curious why you are sure they are authentic? Not arguing, you may know more about this than I do.
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another thing i noticed about the suicide...
i dont see a lot of brain matter spewed around him which would happen if he pulled the trigger through his mouth i think. i also dont see casings behind the hotel door (from when he shot through it) i thought we would if there were "well over 200 rounds fired"but maybe thats bc we cant fully see the floor... im not familiar with guns
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>>186954
That body isn’t freshly dead and that was not a self inflicted shot
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yes for that amount of blood to coagulate so much in roughly 72 minutes. you can see its older because from his mouth it is very very dark even for large amounts
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>>186947
Based off the pics I have seen, which is only a handful, the door does not look to have been breached by explosive. Now, door composition must be taken into consideration as well; a solid oak door will split differently than a hollow pine door. In fairness, I wasn't a SWAT guy so I'm far from an expert in that field.
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>>186958
The fact is that the details of entry and door condition are not important to the bigger picture
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>>186950
You don't use crime scene tape to keep bodies out of your scene, you use an officer. One piece of tape would have been more than sufficient for that door scene. This photo looks like it was staged by someone that watched far too much CSI
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>>186952
I would agree with this
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>>186959
>The fact is that the details of entry and door condition are not important to the bigger picture

t. CIA
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>>186960
That’s not what I mean. It was placed there with the intent of blocking access even to the sheriffs
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>>186959
Can you give us more insight for what facts are more important to the bigger picture? You keep saying that's not important this is not important you guys are focusing on the wrong thing....

what should we be zeroing in on...i think all facets of it are interesting. i like the different perspectives people have it helps us put the bigger picture together
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>>186964
Where were the camera placements?
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Here is a hint

https://youtu.be/A0Z_0A8l48s
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>>186955
Any brain matter would have been blown backwards, possibly on the wall depending on which weapon he was shot with. Also, if he sealed his mouth around the barrel, there would be more BM and a larger exit wound (which I haven't seen) because the gasses from the fired round follow the path of least resistance or the trajectory of the round fired. If he kept his mouth open, the gasses would escape from the mouth resulting in less BM and smaller exit wound.
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>>186967
Because that guy wasn’t killed in the hotel room
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>>186967
and what about the location of the revolver a few feet behind his head? is that normal? and the eyes opened?
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>>186969
Eyes open yes. Consistent with gunshots through the mouth. Placement no. Especially odd for a left handed man
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>>186956
We also don't know when the "pic" was supposed to have been taken. Several hours may have passed before it was taken. What causes u to believe it was not self inflicted? Stippling?
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>>186966
is the hint just sting operation? im not understanding
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>>186971
That body was at least a day or more old
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>>186972
It WAS a sting
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>>186970
oh he was left handed? didn't know that. does that change anything with where the guns used were placed out of the windows as far as which side he would have been sitting or laying next to them..like were they closer to the right side of the window or the left side of the window
does it change where the bullets were shot into the crowd..more prominent to the left or to the right of intended trajectory?
did he have gloves on both hands
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>>186976
Quit focusing on anyone shooting out of those windows. That’s something you guys are getting stuck up on
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>>186963
Not likely. If someone wanted to keep even LE out, they'd have an Agent posted there and wouldn't rely upon tape. This is just my experience and opinion, I don't want to pass my thoughts off as fact, so anything is possible. This was just my first impression when I saw the pictures.
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>>186973
yes even the color of his body looks like it would if he were in a casket and they took all of his blood out. im not sure it would look that way after 72 minutes
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>>186977
WHERE TO FOCUS halp
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>>186976
A left handed man wouldn’t blow his brains out with his right hand and then somehow throw the gun 3 feet over his head
>>186978
Not if you don’t want it to appear too obvious
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>>186964
You have a good police mind, you missed your calling :-)
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>>186980
How many hotels had shootings that night?
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the reason im asking about the left / right and holding hte guns is the way i saw them laying on their side...theyre laying on their right side..how a right handed person would lie it down not a left..just a minor detail but interesting
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>>186984
That is not minor. Take note of that
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>>186982
when i was small i always wanted to be r a forensic scientist! find it so interesting
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>>186969
Yes, both are consistent. But was it suicide or staged by someone familiar with suicides and gun death?
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>>186986
Don’t care. Don’t distract
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>>186985
well i said that because that guy keeps telling me im focusing on the wrong things! idk! im trying here !
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>>186987
The “suicide” scene is staged
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>>186968
If that guy is legit dead, he was killed right there. He bled out on the carpet
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>>186989
What other shootings occurred that night?
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/21885/arsenal-photos-hotel-room-show-las-vegas-gunmans-emily-zanotti#exit-modal

see how those are laying doesnt that look like a right handed person put them down
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>>186973
That's incorrect
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>>186991
Incorrect but nice try
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reports at tropicana luxor mbay and i read someone caesars?? on the scanner it said no threat at any of them with the exception of mb. i saw a few posts on peoples facebooks saying that there were rounds fired in those lobbies/lounge areas but i didnt see anywhere that anyone specified they saw shooters just heard shots inside those areas ..
dont know if they were distractions
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>>186994
Cute but unfortunately you are mistaken. I am not here for a dick measuring contest people. I am trying to lead you down this rabbit hole
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>>186990
I agree, that 's been my point
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>>186996
Please explain why you believe that I'm incorrect
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>>186997
Why isn’t MSM covering any of those?
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>>187000
I could have done a better job with a bottle of Heinz 57
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>>187001
Well I guess because 99.9% of the country wasn't there
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We disgress. There is a dead man in the room. Moving forward. Let’s dispel a couple theories. There were not windows broken out all over the place in the Bay and the footage of a man “firing into the crowd” is simply a local cop raising his pistol and flashlight
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>>186998
You'd lose that contest, but I'm not here to argue, only offer my thoughts and experience. From what I can tell, all you have to offer is "incorrect", "wrong direction", "looking in the wrong place". You've offered nothing expect to tell others they are wrong and I doubt that with all the things that are wrong or suspicious with this case, that YOU are the only one who knows the secret truth. GTF outta here with that bullshit LOL. The only hole you're trying to lead people down is the ass hole which seems to lead directly to you.
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>>187005
Yikes. Calm down. I have figured it out but you can simply choose not to believe. All I can do is try to educate. I can’t force you to listen
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Does anyone have a link to ALL of the pictures connected to the scene? I'd like to make sure I'm seeing all thats available. I'll return later.
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>>187007
The pictures were released on purpose but they don’t tell the true story
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We saw what they wanted us to see in the photos.
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Now I will admit that I don’t know every detail. I wasn’t there in person. But once you horses are led to the water, you can drink your hearts out if you so choose
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>>187006
why dont you just tell us your theory rather than acting so mysterious
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>>187006
No one said they don't believe you..you haven't given us anything to believe/not believe you just keep telling people they are wrong and looking in the wrong places without saying anything of significance .
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>>187013
Because I want you guys to answer the questions and learn for yourself. If I just tell you a story, that’s all it is, a story. But if we all arrive at the same conclusion then there is consensus
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>>187014
Well then I guess you aren’t reading. Some are getting it. It may take some longer. Have patience.
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Why would one man bring 40+ military grade weapons to his hotel room to commit a massacre? Let’s even entertain the thought there were 2 shooters and “Jesus Campos” is the 2nd gunman. These men have 2 arms each. No one would haul that many guns up there for 2 people
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Well some people say he had an extra guest and it was a prostitute. is that what you were going for with the underage prostitution sting? Philippines...and somehow m. dansey connected
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And they were military grade. Civilian guns are not designed to handle automatic firing due to the heat. How did “Stephen Paddock” have access to military grade weaponry? Let’s talk about the cameras. Outside, food cart, and inside. Obviously this was planned and prepared in advance. The question that you need to ask is who was watching the camera(s) inside the room?
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But if someone important was watching couldnt they have used better cameras ... more secretive..weren't the ones used practically baby monitors and out in the open pretty much?
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>>187018
No as much as I would love this to be a pedogate thing it is just a big fucking mess. And many Americans retire to the Philippines. It’s a beautiful place and the food is delicious
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>>187020
>And they were military grade. Civilian guns are not designed to handle automatic firing due to the heat.

Do you get off on spreading bullshit?
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>>187021
Not terribly out in the open. Who would be watching the camera feeds?
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Oh i was thinking because he wired her the money
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>>187023
Are you familiar with the grade of steel and thickness construction differences between military and civilian weapons? It would appear not. Please enlighten yourself. I’m trying to help you guys
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>>187025
I’m sure he did. $100,000 (US) will build you a mansion in the Philippines with servants
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anyone come up with a theory yet? seems maybe a good time for someome to suggest something new or a new version of something
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It’s bad business to be killed by your own product. What’s worse is when the products are provided are provided by Uncle Sam
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>>187028
Some people are sleuthing. Have some patience. The FBI certainly does.
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>>187026
You're talking to a gunsmith. A gunsmith who thinks you're just talking out of your ass.

As a person so obviously knowledgeable about firearms you would definitely know that in circles of AR owners, parts built to military specifications are both legal and easily installed in your garden-variety AR-15. (let's assume he didn't have a Class 3 license) That means heavy barrels, different options for furniture, everything that your AR owner that likes to LARP could want.

Now, with upwards of 40 weapons in the room, several of which had bump-stocks, it's entirely possible that even without heavy barrels and uppers, he could have simply switched weapons every few mags or so to allow the barrels to cool while he was able to continue firing.
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>>185831
Jesus Campos is on Hannity tonight!
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>>187032
i keep reading that but i dont see it anywhere credible where is it confirmed...i just want to watch for entertainment purposes
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>>187031
I understand your point of view. I am active duty. But modifying that many guns seems highly unlikely. As well as how horribly inefficient it would be to switch guns rather than mags. This operation was meticulously planned out but not by “Stephen Paddock”. The planning fell through when “Jesus Campos” got involved
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>>187032
That outta be interesting. Watch and see if he messes up his lines lol
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>>187031
If you were going to conduct that attack would you have done it that way? I would bet the house you wouldn’t
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Are you guys more leaning towards Campos as being involved or interrupting a plan

could they have killed a security guard and switched clothing with him. i guess that wouldn't make sense because staff wouldn't recognize him
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Anonymous, if you are a gunsmith, then you might know that the rate of fire of the weapon used by the shooter(s) does not match rate of fire of a modified AR or AK with bump stock. Their rate of fire is much faster than what we heard on videos of that night. One expert I heard suggested weapon sounded like a M240B. If the weapons in the room were not that weapon or similar, than the murder weapon was NOT in the room and someone had to take it or shooting done from elsewhere.
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>>187038
I don’t know about the murder weapon being present (The revolver was lazy staging) but everything else u said sounds spot on
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>>187037
“Campos” is FBI posing as security
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>>187041
and paddock? undercover or target?
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I am unsure if he alive or dead but it really doesn’t change the sequence of events. That question can be answered later by the FBI
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>>187042
“Paddock” was FBI. He was present in the room for the meetup. It really sucks when a plan falls apart
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>>187034
It's clear the guy had money, and if you swapped the parts for two guns every weekend (which depending on how skilled you are, doesn't take long) it's perfectly possible that it could be done beforehand.

As for inefficiency, I don't think it's that bad. He had time to lay everything out before the attack started, you could easily get into a rhythm of firing five magazines, putting down the rifle, picking a new one up, firing five magzines, so on and so forth. It's not like anybody was shooting back at him, and even if somebody was, he was 32 stories up.

>>187036
>If you were going to conduct that attack would you have done it that way? I would bet the house you wouldn’t

To me it seems like the most efficient option out of all, so yeah, I would.

>Fire
>Reload
>Fire
>Reload
>Fire
>Reload
>Fire
>Put Down Rifle
>Pick up new rifle
>Repeat

So on and so forth until all ammunition expended or SWAT ventilates your brainpan.
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The “targets” were gone before the police even got to the 32nd floor.
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>>187044
So what type of sting was it
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>>187045
The problem is that you are trying to rationalize “Stephen Paddock” as the shooter(s)
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>>187048
I know I'm in a conspiracy theory thread, but yes. I believe Stephen Paddock did the deed himself.
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>>187046
but if this was a known meetup gone bad wouldnt there have been fbi/police involved sooner? if they know its dangerous theyll be near the area..the timing doesnt make sense to me. if targets were gone why was campos who we are saying is FBI just sitting in the hallway
why was the hammer there who knew they wanted to use that to crack windows
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>>187047
It was a gun deal selling to 3 to 5 ISIS members for a pending attack. The attack after the monumental failure of the sting was not planned that night. It was rushed and sloppy because they had to cause damage and get out of dodge. They left the same way they, the weapons, “Campos”, and “paddock” did. Through the freight elevator while the cops were in the public elevators.
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>>187049
look at his suicide look at that gun so far away from the back of his head
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>>187051
why didnt they take more guns and ammo then or any at all
do you think they wanted to attack anyway they could figured out it was a sting so they just used what was readily available and left
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>>187050
FBI was already everywhere and I doubt the local PD was informed (except maybe a select few). If the exchange would have gone according to plan then there wouldn’t have been a need for police response. And FBI was on the scene. “Campos” showed up to provide backup to “Paddock” when they realized the plan was going south
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>>187052
I'm not here to disprove whether he did it or not, I'm just here because I got baited by >>187020 to be honest.
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>>187053
and if there were 3-5 what is with the long pauses between rounds
packing stuff up?
shoot
grab guns
can shoot a few more
grab more guns
we still have time shoot
grab guns
shoot
lets go


and then where does campos fall into that..sitting in the hallway
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>>187053
How many guns and ammo can you run out of a hotel with while trying to to be completely obvious? They didn’t exactly have time to go rent a uhaul
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>>187054
but didnt he show up unarmed?
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>>187056
Gunfire breaks out in the room. Windows get shot out due to gunfire. “Campos” rushes to door to provide assistance and is shot through the door by the “200” rounds fired from several guns in the hands of several people. They grabbed what they could. Used the freight elevator to leave. Then spread out to conduct a hurried attack
>>187058
If you try to base the story of the narrative but I know that no FBI agent would be unarmed during a sting lol
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You guys already know the story we are being told is falling apart left and right. So quit trying to base your ideas off of the “facts” we are told
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>>187059
couldnt they have just shot him though? he just stayed in the hallway....they could have just killed him right

and what is up with the phony security in front of "jesus campos's" house
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>>187059
and why send only one person as back up if you hear all of that gunfire...why only ONE guy dressed as security

does marilou fit into any of this
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>>187062
He was dead. I bet an FBI wife got a bad call that night
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>>187064
oh "campos" dead and now someone new is posing as campos the security guard?
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>>187063
The “maintenance man” was FBI too. You can have the place crawling with FBI. It would be too obvious. And if the deal had gone as planned then backup wouldn’t have been needed. That’s why everything seemed so planned. Because it was until the plan went wrong
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>>187067
i was going to say if campos was fbi then maintenance certainly was as well
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>>187063
She might. I am unclear or her connection as of yet
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>>187066
Well apparently someone will be posing as “Campos” tonight on Hannity. Don’t be fooled into thinking Hannity doesn’t play ball too
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>>187069
has to be something because IF paddock was FBI they wouldnt be announcing this innocent woman as his longtime girlfriend or wife whatever they say she is
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>>187068
And if you were said maintenance and just watched your buddy get mowed down by automatic fire, do you rush down the hall with your glock?
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>>187071
It’s quite possible she is FBI too. We haven’t seen recent photos and know nothing about her as well
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>>187073
wonder why she was in a wheelchair at the airport
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Most likely his handler
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>>187074
Smoke and mirrors. If they get you to focus on little details like that then they can distract you from the truth
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>>187061
Anon
If they got everything neat and tidy from the very beginning you would still be screaming conspiracy from a different angle .
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>>187073
in the pictures we do see of them together...they are together looking as a couple...and some were with what looks to be her family in the phillippines
also her ID was used with hotel and valet..
and his car was taken out of the garage while his room card was used to open his suite door

weird how eric paddock said in one interview he was really demeaning and rude towards her and in another he said he would do anything for her.

what was with Paddock looking into other rooms overlooking festivals

sorry its unorganized and not well thought out but i have to type as i am thinking
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>>187076
Anon I doubt you actually care about the truth.
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The woman removed from the concert telling people they were going to die was also FBI and she knew the deal went south and that there were several ISIS agents on their way with automatic weapons and ammo
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>>187079
im thinking that too lol
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>>187079
I care about the truth very much my friend. Being active duty puts me in such a difficult situation
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>>187080
45 minutes prior to it happening??? wouldnt they have just stopped it
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>>187082
you wouldnt be on here talking about it at all if you were. if it is top secret most active duty wouldnt know about it...
are you gonna tell us you're "john"
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>>187083
Stopped what? The ISIS guys were gone. That’s why all the confusion. They lost them. That’s why the woman was trying to warn people
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>>187013
>why dont you just tell us your theory rather than acting so mysterious

Because he's either a 12 year old trolling you or a CIA/FBI/NSA agent provocateur purposely disrupting the thread with bullshit claims.

Stop replying to morons who won't/can't back up their comments.
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>>187085
but that woman warned people 45 mimutes before a shooting occured and youre telling us ISIS people had already gone by that point...or do you mean that they left with stuff and were shooting from other locations
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>>187084
And the reason I am on here is because it’s anonymous. And I don’t participate in social media. I needed some sort of an audience so I can try to get this stuff out
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>>187082
No you do not
Years of arguing with "truthers" have taught me one thing
it really isn't about the truth.
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>>187088
you have been refreshing page for 3 1/2 hours and youre just telling people everything they say is wrong trying to divert us. you haven't said anything else. you havent had any useful input.
TROLL
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>>187087
Correct. They spread out to cause as much damage as possible. They just killed 2 FBI agents on a sting. They were in a bit of a rush
>>187086
I’m neither of those. I am just a guy like most of us here that figured out the puzzle. I’m trying to share my knowledge. You can choose not to listen if you like. And if you read throughout the board I have been posting my “theory” in pieces
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>>187091
you are NOT sharing knowledge. you are trying to act like god damn yoda or whats his name from the karate kid
you havent helped anyone
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>>187089
Believe what you wish. It’s unfortunate you can’t even conceive of a different possibility of a story you already don’t believe
>>187090
And yes I have been refreshing the page. I want to answer questions and educate. I’m sorry I don’t have a YouTube or twitter following to inform. I came here for the fact of different perspectives and a collective of brains thinking about this.
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>>187092
you basically say figure it out and ill let you know if youre right.

but you also say you cant say much .

lmao

i guess youre afraid its not THAT anonymous

OR

you are a phony
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>>187094
I am asking questions to try to get people thinking about particular things. If you don’t want to believe me that’s fine. You are entitled to your opinions
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>>187093
why did he look into booking other hotels looking over events over the past few months
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>>187095
you didnt ask questions
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thats a good question. Possibly different meet up locations. Maybe they felt that hotel had the optimal layout for their operation. It is also possible that there were no other plans. Again, you have to be careful basing things off the “facts” the news is telling you
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>>187097
I have asked many questions. Maybe you entered the conversation late. Also it’s lists the posts as “Anonymous”. Just sayin
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Steve Wynn slipped up and admitted to use of the freight elevator. His brother nearly slipped and disclosed his brothers army background. I’m not trying to deceive you people. I’m trying to get people to listen
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I’ve just put together the clues that are observable to all of us
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>>187095
>I am asking questions to try to get people thinking about particular things.
No you are trying to spin this as a conspiracy for political reasons
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>>187099
didnt come late if i started it
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>>187101
so you put together clues and are speculating something
but when we do we are wrong
what makes what you THINK right
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>>187102
No there isn’t a political motive behind this. The FBI fucked and they are trying to cover their tracks. It will be utilized by the gun grabbers and whatnot but politics was not the driving force behind this event
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>>187104
I don’t know what to tell ya buddy. Keep digging and maybe you can figure it out too
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You can’t try to build the story from what we are being told so when you base your idea off of those “facts” then your idea is built on a flawed foundation.
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>>185875
yet nothing will actually be done about it. just a bunch of people talking about it and consuming conspiracy theories for cathartic release.
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It’s like being on the scene of a car accident and debating the color of a street sign. As long as you focus on the sign and argue about what color it is then you don’t see the car accident behind you. Just a metaphor
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>>187109
Well with thinking like that you are right. Nothing will happen. It’s that kind of thinking that got us to where we are now and has allowed all these crooked people in our government to take over. Evil prevails when good men fail to act
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what were the stairs blocked off for if it was a sting ? so the targets couldnt get away quickly? then how did they. it makes sense to me that three involved COULD be FBI. but if all of that were true why couldnt it be more secured?i did see the one guy down on the ground by police in front of the tropicana i think it was by what seemed to be LVMPD. im still curious about the pause between rounds though
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>>187051
>It was a gun deal selling to 3 to 5 ISIS members for a pending attack.

If there were ISIL jihadists there, they wouldn’t have run away after 10mins of firing off a few bursts.

Everyone of them would have grabbed a rifle or two and several mags and ALL of them would have been firing out of several broken windows and/or stalking thru the casino killing guests all over the place, until they themselves were killed.

If it was Mexican narcos, they wouldn’t have opened fire on the crowd, drawing attention onto themselves and heat onto their organization, they’d have just quietly cut Paddock’s throat and calmly walked off with all the guns and ammo.

Everything about this incident stinks of an CIA false flag operation.
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>>187114
valid points
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>>187092
>you are NOT sharing knowledge. you are trying to act like god damn yoda or whats his name from the karate kid
>you havent helped anyone

Indeed, so why are you replying to a 12 year old or CIA shill?
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>>187113
The fire exit was blocked due to the sting
>>187114
That’s exactly what they did but they opened fire on the ground not in the hotel. Doing it within the hotel would virtually guarantee you can’t escape and die. They had to get to more populated areas besides some hallways in a hotel.
They didn’t want to die if they weren’t conducting a holy attack.
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So basically the idea that I get from this thread:
1. Paddock is either an agent or an informant or somehow working for the FBI.
2. He is to meet with several ISIS members to sell them all of these weapons and the venue along with the plan.
3. ISIS has no idea it is a sting until they see Jesus and the mechanic hanging around the hall who may or may not be involved here. Or they just get greedy and don't want to pay.
4. ISIS kills Padock.
5. The ISIS members breakout the windows fire down on the crowd.
6. FBI goes oh shit what happened.
7. FBI storms the room and kills the ISIS people.
8. The cover up begins so no one learns that the whole thing was planned by the government to take down an ISIS cell, but it all went wrong.
9. Allowing the plan to get out would jeopardize other on going stings.
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It’s quite funny how no one believes the story we are told but somehow I’m a 12 year old troll or CIA shill and whatever I have to say is attacked. That is an unsustainable way of thinking
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>>187124
I don’t know what made the sting go wrong. “Campos” showed up as backup when he heard the deal went south. The ISIS members left the same way they got in. The freight elevator. The FBI doesn’t want to admit that they were selling weapons to ISIS undercover and that their deal went bad and then they had 3-5 ISIS members armed with FBI provided weapons go mow people down. The FBI does not want to admit they fucked up so bad. Watch the body language of the agent at the press conference. He had so many tells
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>>187124
You’re definitely on my the right track but there was no longer shooting when the police arrived on the 32th floor. Hence the attackers had already left with whatever they could carry and cause a impromptu attack because they knew their plans had been compromised
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>>187122
> They didn’t want to die if they weren’t conducting a holy attack.

Nonsense, ISIL has attacked hotels elsewhere and where would they have gotten a better opportunity to kill dhimmi ‘Murricans, if Paddock brought 20+ rifles and ammo to the room for them?

This was CIA false flag operation to impost gun control (Hillary was calling for within minutes) as well as metal detectors and back scatter (i.e. "x-ray") machines all over the U.S.

Remember this incident from just this past June?;

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/asia/manila-philippines-resort-world-isis/index.html
ISIS claims Manila casino attack despite police denial

(CNN)ISIS has claimed responsibility for an attack Friday at a casino in the Philippine capital that left 37 people dead; however, police continue to deny what happened was terror-related.

A lone gunman entered the Resorts World Manila early Friday, firing shots from an assault rifle and setting fire to gambling tables. Most of the victims are believed to have died due to suffocation from the smoke.

But police said there was "no truth" to the assertion.

Around midnight Thursday, an armed suspect forced his way into the Resorts World Manila, an upmarket hotel and casino complex near the Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

According to security footage viewed by police, the gunman entered via the parking lot.

The attacker walked into the building and past a lone security guard, who panicked when she saw the suspect's automatic rifle, said Albayalde, the Manila police official.

The attacker was shot and wounded by security guards, and retreated into a hotel room, where he doused a bed with gasoline and shot himself, according to Reilly.

CNN Philippines reported he was found in the room, burned beyond recognition, next to an automatic weapon and a .380-caliber pistol.
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I don't think those facts are actually facts. That is just what they are saying. I think the cops stopped the shooting by busting in the room and killing them. I don't think they went anywhere. I think the radio calls afterward are all made up. I don't think the FBI ever intended to let the attack happen, it went wrong and now it is being covered up. Could you imagine the outrage if this hypothesis was true?
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>>187128
I understand where you’re coming from but this was just an FBI operation that got AFU. I was looking into that angle too. I suppose it’s possible but there isn’t really a way to dissect it to prove Clinton involvement. And it’s best not to provide MSM news articles as evidence. They are the same people telling you a single guy did all this. They can tell you any story of anything across the globe. You can’t verify because you’re here in the US. That’s how we got into the Vietnam war.
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>>187128
Obviously all the slime balls will take advantage of it just like you’re saying
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>>187130
If the local PD busted into a room and killed several men then they would be being praised as hero’s and the sheriffs would have spoke about it at the first press conference. Plus there was no firefight inside the hotel after Campos
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>>187130
That’s the point. A fuck up of this magnitude would look bad to put it lightly. Hence all the effort to confuse and control the information. Often times the truth is stranger than the fiction
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>>187135
Or the truth is one that people don’t want to believe
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I think the FBI killed them. I doubt any Sheriff or local cop stepped in that room. Sort of explains the over taping of the door.
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>>187137
So did the FBI then go down to area hotels and the concert and open fire?
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What is it that we don't want to believe
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I don't think anyone was shot from our side to the hotel. It is possible that one or two got away and did such a thing. I think there would be phone video of that if I happened
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>>187139
People don’t want to believe that an agency like the FBI could fuck something up big and then lie to our faces the entire time while bodies lay on the ground shot by the weapons they provided. If you found out your grandma was a pedophile you wouldn’t want to believe it either right? They are counting on people refusing to believe that the FBO inadvertently led to the deaths of 50+ people. As long as you keep believing that they can tell you anything. And then we sit here and pick apart the narrative exposing the inconsistencies. And as long as we keep bickering about whether he had steak or lobster for dinner then people quit looking for the real truth.
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>>187142
Inadvertently? Looks like it was a preconceived plan
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I just was not sure what you meant by people don't want to believe. I obviously do, it was my 9 point post. Think fast and furious. The government has a history of this type of thing and when it goes wrong they cover it up.
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>>187141
And there still might be cell phone footage we haven’t seen yet. There are hundreds of security cameras everywhere surrounding the hotel and concert. We have seen not 1 frame of that footage. You think that’s an accident and they overlooked thousands of security cameras? Steve Wynn slipped in his interview. The hotel owners knew about the operation before hand. The floor was given to the FBI for that purpose. Hence why we haven’t heard anything from anyone in the same hallway. Paddock, Campos, maintenance man, and 3-5 other men were the only ones on that floor of that wing
>>187143
Well it was all planned out. Until the plan fails. That’s what happens when plans fail
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>>187131
> I understand where you’re coming from but this was just an FBI operation that got AFU.

Again; if this was an FBI counter terror sting to get ISIL jihadists, they would have stuck around and used all those guns and ammo Paddock had conveniently brought to kill hundreds of people and if it was an FBI “fast & furious” sting to get Mexican narcos, they’d have just quietly killed paddock and slipped away with all the guns and ammo.

This is the CIA working for the Global Corporate-Government Elite to false flag Americans into accepting draconian gun control and a massive increase in Police State intrusion into their everyday lives.

Hillary was shilling the gun control party line within minutes, the Mainstream Media was instantly pushing the “lone wolf” narrative and the casinos are already installing metal detectors and back scatter machines.

Even my own home town is getting in on the action;

http://www.macombdaily.com/article/MD/20171004/NEWS/171009879

“In the wake of the Las Vegas massacre, the Warren Police Department plans to boost its presence at large public events and buildings with a lot of visitors in an effort to thwart mass shootings like the one that killed 59 people and injured more than 520 more last weekend.

Police Commissioner William Dwyer announced Tuesday that officials will beef up manpower at so-called soft targets including large public gatherings.

Those efforts will include:
• Improved allocation of resources, including the deployment of a mobile command center to enhance engagement with the public.
• Increased visibility of uniformed officers at places shopping centers, movie theaters, places of worship and hotels.
• Networking with vulnerable targets to implement a critical incident response plan.
• The use of plain-clothes officers, trained in behavioral profiling techniques, at public events.
• Continued effort to work with our law enforcement partners to improve information-sharing.”
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>>187145
That’s basically what this is. A big fucking whoops
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Not my word, but inadvertently might be the right word in that all though the whole thing was planned by the government, including looking at other venues, they never thought it would actually get carried out, but something went wrong.
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The attack wasn’t planned for that night. They were simply there to purchase all the tools for the attack. Hence the car full of explosives
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If you apply the scenario to the events as they transpired that night this all matches up. A few details are sure to be wrong here and there but this was an FBI sting operation gone horribly wrong and they lost control of the situation. Some shots may have been fired through the windows at first but we all know that there were multiple shooters in Vegas that night. They may have fired out the window at the fuel tanks to create a distraction but when that failed they left the hotel through the freight elevator. Which would also explain the sniper calculations on the paper on the table. It would be nice to see the distance they were calculating the bullet drop for don’t you think?
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If the info about scouting other venues is true, the. The attack was planned for that night, not sure how the car comes into play or if it is even true. If the scouting info is not true, then you may be correct.
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How many of you answered honestly when you broke that vase as a kid? Now imagine you just killed the family dog on accident. You gonna fess up now Jr?
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>>187152
The car contained the explosives they were buying too. Obviously they didn’t have time to wait for the valet to bring it around
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Now if the attack was planned for that night then it was probably scheduled for later but the time clock moved up due to them finding out it was a sting
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>>187148
>That’s basically what this is. A big fucking whoops

Why are so many suggesting this was some kinda fuck up by the FBI?

The Powers That Be are getting exactly what they wanted; a bunch of people killed but not too many (with Paddock getting the “high score”) by a “lone wolf” who nobody would have ever suspected, to terrify Americans into accepting a larger and more intrusive Police State.

Once these efforts are well under way, another “lone wolf” attacker will pop-up somewhere and there will be additional calls to give up even more of our freedoms for supposed security.
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>>187156
Because that’s what makes everything make sense. And you’re right. Unless we the people refuse to take it anymore
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There may have been other members of the cell that never went up to the room. I don't think whoever was in the room made it out alive. It is possible that another shooting occurred at a hotel by chance, although that is slim. The most convincing evidence I have seen about other hotels was the video at Ballagio however you spell it. It could be connected
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>>187159
I think it quite possible that all members of the cell were not in the room.
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Is it possible that this is a gun control thing, sure. if that were it, I don't think there would be so many mistakes. I might agree if the ISIS guys were killed and the news reported this average dude buying guns legally and selling them to the bad guys and arguing we just need to get rid of all guns. But frankly the news has almost completely stopped talking about both the actual shooting and the calls for gun control have all but gone away in exchange for Trumps talk and kneeling
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>>187162
That’s why they are changing the focus. It’s how they get by away with this stuff. They rely on the sheeple and their goldfish memories. Anyone taken down a civil war statue lately?
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It is the duty of a citizen to question their government. If we no longer question them then we no longer have the control
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>>187146
Why would you spray a crowd "if the plan failed". Looks like that was always the intention.
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>>187163
My point is the media has stopped talking about it because they were told to. Something like this could destabilize the country, I mean my 9 point theory followed by a haphazard coverup
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>>187157
> Because that’s what makes everything make sense.

But it doesn’t make sense, unless you believe that agents of FBI/CIA/NSA/etc with decades of experience, are all in fact just a bunch of bumbling Keystone Kops who can’t even carry out a run-of-the-mill sting operation against 3rd world jihadists or backwoods Mexican narcos?

No, I contend that there are only two possible answers here; either Paddock was in fact a “lone wolf” who just snapped for no apparent reason, (which the Mainstream Media are shilling) or the Secret Police State set this all up from the start.
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>>187165
I think ISIS sprayed the crowed. I think that was the plan the whole time. I think they purchased the plan from Padock who was an FBI agent or informant. I DONT think the FBI ever intended for the shooting to actually happen, but something went wrong with the sting. I think there was a few dead ISIS in the room killed by the FBI and they will never tell us that.
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I saw the picture of Paddock dead on the ground can someone post it again please. Did it show his hands? was he wearing gloves. The FBI should be able to find gun residue on his hands/gloves/arms/clothing with a quick swab. If he was killed before hand and gloves put on him the residue would be a lot less than firing 1,000 plus rounds out the windows.

We don't know the time that the picture was taking of Paddocks body, so talking about the blood color is dumb at this point. The police hopefully did a "core body temp" test to see when he died.

My guess is Paddock was a pasy for a gun deal with ISIS. They killed him than shot the crowd. They stopped and made their exit before the cops showed up. This frames Paddock and they get away.
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>>187167
To put it simply, shit happens.
>>187169
Yeah I would agree with a majority of what you said. And the things I don’t are possibilities I won’t rule out
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>>187162
> Is it possible that this is a gun control thing, sure. if that were it, I don't think there would be so many mistakes.

I don’t see any mistakes, I think it all went according to plan.

This makes Trump and rightwing Americans look bad, the casinos are right now installing metal detectors and back scatter machines, which we’ll be seeing installed everywhere, The NRA came out for banning bump-fire stocks, the Republicans abandoned legislation to eliminate Federal silencer regulations, the Good Ol’ Boy country band who was playing at the festival in Vegas has said they’re giving up their guns and I suspect we’ll soon see efforts by the anti-gun fundies calling for elimination of state issued concealed pistol licenses, to be replaced by a Federal CPL card, that of course will be based on the strictest possible interpretation (i.e. California, Chicago, NYC).
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>>187172
Here is what I would concede to that: the eventual actual attack was the Clinton plan. The Guys got spooked. Deal went bad. Similar but not as effective results.
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>>187169
> I think ISIS sprayed the crowed. I think that was the plan the whole time.

ISIS jihadists would have _continued_ spraying the crowd and marched down into the casino with all those guns and ammo to carry out even more carnage, all for the glory of Islam. For ISIS, this would have been too good of an opportunity to not do so.

And if it was an FBI sting, why weren’t there dozens of heavily armed agents stationed in other rooms on that floor to pounce on the jihadists and why did the FBI let functional rifles and ammo fall into the hand of jihadists, who could have just as easily used those guns against the FBI who were supposedly there to bust them?
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>>187176
How much guns and ammo can you run out of a hotel with after shooting 2 FBI agents? And where exactly did you expect to park the bus and armored vehicles? Valet?
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Government work is not grand theft auto sadly
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And hell, for all we know, how do we not know this wasn’t the 4th gun deal in a month in that same room
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>>187176
How would you get your small army into a hotel in the city the never sleeps?! Lmao. Lemme guess. HALO jumps? Lmao
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>>187169
Sure it's not people who want to start a civil war within the US?

Lots of theories around Globalists using a civil war as an excuse to topple the Trump administration and enact martial law. Then allow the UN / Nato to take control of the remaining peices.
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Here we go

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-mandalay-20171012-story,amp.html
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Disputing timeline four days after it was given ... from “witness”
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>>187196
So now the Mandalay Bay management know more than the police? Do go on..
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"Nobody's trying to hide anything. What we want to do is draw the most accurate picture we can," Lombardo said. "That timeline might change again."-Lombardo

That’s one of my favorites simply bc he flat out says they are drawing a picture for us accurate enough to fit how odd it appears ... yeah just keep going until you can come up with something semi plausible
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>>187177
> How much guns and ammo can you run out of a hotel with after shooting 2 FBI agents?

If it had been ISIS, they wouldn’t have run anywhere, they’d have continued blasting the concert from the 32nd floor and/or went downstairs to the casino and killed all kinda people there also. Jihadists ain’t afraid of dying.

> And where exactly did you expect to park the bus and armored vehicles? Valet?

Why would they need that? The anon up thread who broached this theory, suggested 3-5 jihadists meeting with Paddock but even a dozen guys could have easily strolled into the hotel in ones and twos then all meet up at Paddocks room.

>>187183
> How would you get your small army into a hotel in the city the never sleeps?!

Just drive into town and book a room, like any other tourist.

But if it was jihadists, they would have killed FAR more people, not fired off a couple of bursts and then run away 10 mins later, leaving all the guns just sitting there. That’s not how they operate.

This was a false flag operation by the CIA that did just enough damage but not too much, to panic Americans into giving up their human and civil rights to the Police State.
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>>187196
>Here we go

If you have a point to make, copypaste the relevant portions to this thread, because I ain't wasting my time reading random click-bait articles that may or may not have anything to anything.
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>>187202
lighten up mr serious putting it bc i think its funny . you dont have to be in this thread if you dont feel like reading what people feel like putting. i felt like making this thread and if i feel like putting a link i will
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What makes you think they weren't killed in that roomthe whole idea here is that they are lying to us.
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>>187201
First of all. I’m not afraid to die either. But I’m not stupid and neither are they (ISIS). As for the rest of your rebuttals, I think you didn’t get the context of those statements. Read the stuff leading up to those
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someone explain to me at any angle why there was that stupid hammer there.

for people saying ISIS that wouldnt make sense

for people saying set up (with staging) that would make sense
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is there any info on "stephen schuck" anywhere the maintenance engineer at mb
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>>187114
>false flag
Translation:a major event that's not politically convinient for me .
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>>187212
To open crates of weapons maybe?
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Anon who was trolling is doing it to the other threads here. was going through to see if i could find some new perspectives. here he is repeating the exact same things including leading others to water LOL and "not trying to have a dick measuring contest"...
by the way anon , i don't have a dick


>>186324
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>>187240
I was/am not trolling anyone. It’s amazing the place that’s supposed to be the breeding ground of independent free thought but when you express that you get attacked. Don’t believe me. That’s fine. I won’t lose sleep over your disbelief. I am trying to educate. I guess you can find out when they finally come out with the truth
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>>187240
And I mostly posted in this thread. I think I posted a few times in 2 others related to this topic. What is the problem with proposing different idea and having a discussion about it?
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I will not let this thread vanish. Do the research people. This was an FBI sting operation gone wrong. Quit letting your government lie to you
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>>187323
Gone wrong or gone right? People keep saying it was ISIS (CIA) but it could have as well been the FBIs own deep state mission. Comey is pulling strings I'm sure. And Soros invested millions into OSI, a metal detector company, just days prior.
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>>187325
No it went wrong. If it had gone right then the FBI would be being praised for stopping a terror plot and people wouldn’t have died. That’s why the narrative makes no sense because it all the FBI trying to cover its fuck up
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>>187326
The guns had been established on the windows for days, with shooting platforms. That was literally the point of the operation, to shoot the people.
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That’s incorrect. This was a botched FBI sting. That is the truth. Why is that so hard to believe? What makes the “lone wolf” story more believable?! Lol
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Guard was the 2nd shooter. How bout them apples?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=maTWHpcVv4c

Feelings on this ?
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There was also the supposed active shooter training at the casinos due by sept 30 12am
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>>187332
The guard was also FBI but posing as hotel security to therefore use the freight elevator to move all the guns and ammo up and then bring the ISIS members up to the meet
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There were several shooters in Vegas that night and none of them were Stephen Paddock.
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What do you think big guy in the back was holding in that briefcase/suitcase at the trop in that video. see how they break off to the right at the end...listen to how quiet the casino is and theyre pointing guns at civilians
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the receipts show the name stephen paddock and marilou danley...room and valet receipts. why do we come up with the conclusion that he is someone else if his name is on the receipts . does undercover FBI just go around gambling and around vegas as his cover. what about the location of his home near vegas where he and marilou lived? why would they show us undercover FBI's home
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immediately ...IMMEDIATELY we were told he has no affiliation with any religious or political groups. we also had no "witnesses"
a day or two later we have a hero security guard who spooked "paddock" and stopped the shooting
a WEEK later the timeline changes
MGM owners put doubt in the timeline
yesterday timeline changes again and "witness" was shot "40 seconds" (quite accurate but missing from the police scanner) before the mass shooting
"police"/"security" seen at other hotel locations during the same time including the posted video where two non uniformed men hang a right and break away from the squad.

other things to consider (may be false may be true)
paddock booked other rooms overlooking other events. one in particular he did make a reservation but did not show up that was also revealed as one of the first facts about "paddock"
he had marilou's ID on him at the hotel
his car left parking lot while someone was simultaneously entering his room with the door card
stephen paddock used freight elevators
stephen paddock was well known in vegas (by casinos*)
car full of potential bomb making materials
additional weapons found in his home in mesquite
had make shift security cameras to surveillance hallway
ex marine one floor beneath him called cops when he heard gunfire ON THE CROWD
scanner says several shooters on several floors at MB as well as several other hotels
man taken down in front of tropicana (its in a video claiming to be from that night)
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The Security guard has disappeared.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html

https://www.pagalparrot.com/las-vegas-shooting-security-guard-jesus-campos-has-gone-missing-4561711.html
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>>187354
what interviews was he set for? i know people were saying hannity and i did not think that would happen however i watched the entirety of the show anyway. he never said anything about interviewing him. also there wasnt any conference on any news channels that i saw set up to talk with him. you would think that would have kind of been rolling on tv and then theyd be like oh wait wtf did he go

and if he has a security guard at his "home" why isnt security watching him when he is out in public? he just gets away like that???
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>>187356

"Campos was under 24-hour FBI guard due to him being a key witness in the massacre, and no it has been revealed that he has somehow slipped through the net and his whereabouts are officially “unknown”."

Add to this Paddock's home has supposedly been broken into with nothing apparently taken or disturbed, this is so fucked up.
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The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.
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>>187359
Could be he was a charlatan that didn't actually do what he said.
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>>187209
>>187224

The ISIS theory doesn’t hold up, as it’s NEVER been their style to pop off a few rounds and run away, especially if they had 20+ guns and shit loads of ammo available to them with literally thousands of potential victims in a tightly packed concert/casino.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sousse_attacks

“At around noon, Seifeddine Rezgui Yacoubi, disguised as a tourist, socialised with others, and then took out a Kalashnikov assault rifle concealed in a beach umbrella and fired at the tourists on the beach. He entered the hotel, shooting at people he came across [ultimately killing 38 people]. He was killed by security forces during an exchange of fire.”
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>>187368
I agree with this. Not their style
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>>187326
>No it went wrong. If it had gone right then the FBI would be being praised for stopping a terror plot and people wouldn’t have died.

Which wouldn’t have achieved the goal of panicking Americans into accepting an even more intrusive Police State.

The Powers That Be needed an incident where a bunch of people are killed by a "lone wolf" but not one where things get out of hand and that appears to be exactly what they got.
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Also , and im sure as to no surprise to anyone here, this is a major thing-campos goes "missing" before "interview. its not even being covered by media. none of this is. its just being wiped away
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>>187368
Yeah but the fbi denies he had ties to Isis
Which means he does
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>>187357
>Campos was under 24-hour FBI guard due to him being a key witness in the massacre

There's also claims that Campos' family has been subject to a gag order, though under what legal conditions people who supposedly aren't involved in the incident could be legally forced to remain silent, I couldn't say.
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Chad Nishimura missing
Jesus Campos missing
Marilou Danley ??
Stephen Paddock "dead"
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>>187359
That's what I'd do
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If he is FBI why is did he file a lawsuit several years ago when he fell at the casino? thats one of the few bits of information we have about "pa(tsy)ddock"
they also say he traveled quite a bit. any info on him playing at other casinos in the US?
say he was involved with hookers. was "marilou" aware of that ? i wonder if thats how they met i remember reading where there was a cashier or someone who stated "paddock" said "youre not paying for this i pay for everything-including you"or something like that

to me- the "lone wolf" scenario sounds like a set up intended to cover for a mass shooting...possibly done by government to cause many deaths but not TOO too many. even though it was the "worst shooting in the history of the us" sounds like a leftists agenda. there was way too much pause between gunfire. people say the guns were in place so he could switch off easily when he was out of rounds. if that were the case there would have been very brief pauses between gunfire as so many guns were loaded ("with bumpstocks" which theyre trying to put a ban on) readily available to "him" . if hekept firing he could have caused much much more damage than what was unfortunately already done.

stephen was "known" in vegas as a kind of loner..quiet...he could have been an easy target for them to put this on.
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if the lone wolf shot dead was the end of the story then it would be the end of the story. the only "witness" would not be afraid or not allowed to speak out. witnesses especially of this type are typically interviewed immediately. he cancelled moments before he was to be interviewed. odd because he has security at his home. odd because if FBI did not want him to speak they wouldnt have let it get to a point where he as supposed to have interviews. odd that his whereabouts are currently unknown.
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i saw on a picture in another thread (sorry i xed out) of campos being declared a hero and he was leaning on a cane using his left hand. it was the same one in the picture of him holding the sign "thank you for all of the support"in which he has both hands holding the sign and he is STANDING if you look at the proportions of the picture ... and i believe that picture was first released october 2nd or 3rd
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/763cre/new_released_photo_of_jesus_campos_found_on/

here is the picture of him leaning on a cane

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74s0ww/new_photo_of_jesus_campos_released/

here he is holding the sign
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74zsf0/these_are_the_two_pictures_i_have_found_online/#bottom-comments

yup and two different guys here
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>>>/pol/144947477

you can see adriana enriquez has the same address as jesus campos.

i clicked the link to that facebook page but it has since been taken down.
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https://voterrecords.com/voter/27952310/jesus-campos
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back to campos never existing or him being suicided. is it possible he could have seen something and has been "silenced"

in lombardos conference the other day he said something odd "and thats when campos saw-....was shot" like he was trying to say he saw something
theyll now say oh well he couldnt handle the pressure and the guilt that he could have done more to stop this so he shot himself in the back of the head with a shotgun

yeah sure..he "cancelled" his interviews
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https://twitter.com/WashNews/status/918872943265923074/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Flas-vegas-security-guard-disappears-tv-interviews-article-1.3560378
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4978254/Vegas-guard-disappears-moments-talking-press.html

read the "old" time line. ... why does it say as seen on bodycam (of campos)
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Campos was FBI under cover with the sting. He was the hotel security that escorted the everything using the freight elevator.
Does it make sense that 1 man fired approx 200 rounds into the hallway for 1 unarmed security guard? And that would be a decent amount of time to fire the rounds and conduct reloads. Several men with automatics would put 200 rounds through that door much more efficiently.
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who Was shooting into the hallway
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>>187446
The multiple gunman shooting at Campos the FBI agent who was at the door to provide backup since the sting went wrong
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>>187450
still doesn't look to me that many rounds were fired into the hallway.
why are people shooting into a crowd during a sting and why would they send only one backup. how did they know the sting went wrong and why such a late reaction
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html

heres a new pic of him
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lombardo said in the conference on monday that campos helped prevent the maintenance worker from being injured..
the maintenance worker said in his interview he was struck in the back.
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>>187461
Because the maintenance man is also an agent. Quit trying to prove the narrative.
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>>187461
Sorry I don’t mean “you” persay. Just in general. Quit listening to the news. About the only truth they have said so far is that many people were shot that night. Everything else is a lie
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>>187457
The crowd shooting happened after the sting went wrong obviously. The maintenance man and security guard were both FBI. Believe it or not, operations like this have as small of a footprint as possible. Especially because 99% of the time the operation goes properly. If your were the maintenance man FBI agent and just watched your buddy get mowed down by automatic fire. Are you goning to run down the hall with your glock?
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And focusing on whether 50 or 200 bullets were fired through the door is not a detail to hang up on. The reason “Campos” bailed on all interviews was because their actor panicked at the last minute or he was never there and they were going to say he ran away anyway
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>>186174
I can't speak for MGM properties, but I know that at the Caesars properties they don't require key cards for freight elevators. Most hotels aren't as sophisticated as people tend to think.
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>>186997
Working on the strip we were told MBay first then NYNY, followed by Aria, at this point we get told that MBay had 1 shooter dead and 2 in custody. Then reports of shots at Bellagio and Caesars at the same time, then Tropicana (which is near MBay) and finally Mirage. Bellagio was said to have no shots fired within 20-30 minutes of the report. Also MBay went from active shooter to secured back to a "hot" zone with another shooter. But hey I'll wait until more comes out.
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>>187017
The 40+ is counting what he had at his home and other locations not the hotel room.
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What FBI agent doesn’t have guns at his house? What would a gun deal sting be without any merchandise?
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>>187502
Because the men that were meeting to buy the guns were already out of the building and making their way to the shooting locations
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>>187499
It’s not about a keycard. It’s about having a “member of hotel security” accompany anyone using the elevator. Look up Steve Wynns interview. He slipped big time. That’s how the FBI got the guns up to the room
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>>187510
Security doesn't escort everyone using those elevators. In fact it is very seldom that security escorts anyone up the service elevators. I have had to do it just because guest elevators have stopped working, so it was more for standing by and directing the hotel guest to the correct spot. Again I cant't speak for other hotels though. Also remember Wynn/Encore Venitian/Palzzo are indipendantly owned and even have armed security. How they treat their service elevators may be different than where I work.
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>>187509
The only thing I would like to add is have they swabbed either of his wrists for gun powder residue from firing any weapon? If so what were the results on that?
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>>187513
Good question. I highly doubt they would ever release the results even if they actually did a swab.
>>187511
And what I was referring to about the elevator was from an interview that Wynn did recently speaking on what happened. I know they are different owners but the owners all talk and they all knew of the FBI sting going down at the Bay. Watch the interview and tell me Wynn didn’t fuck up bad lol. I bet he got a stern talking to from a federal agent. Just like when Paddocks brother almost slipped and told reporters that Stephen was in the army.
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>be american
>get shot

Hahahahaha your country is a fucking joke.
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>>187520
You mean Sweden?
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>>187518
I will have to look up the Wynn interview. And his brother has said so many things that imply he knew what was going on, may have even been apart of the planning, this is why he says Steve wouldn't accept help. The brother also said that he himself doesn't have a criminal record because he was " smart enough to hang out with people who would get caught first"
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>>187528
Paddock has a “clean” record because he was undercover. He has been undercover in Vegas for years. Do you really think ISIS doesn’t have sources to do background checks too?
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>>186423
Most hotels and I'm betting especially in Vegas use those super thick metal doors I could see how when swat breached the room the damage to the doors was minimal as they targeted the hinges.
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>>187531
At no point did I bring up Isis. I was only stating what the brother said. It would be stupid to assume anything about this shooting. I'm not surprised that Isis claimed this guy so quickly and I am confident this guy had accomplises who could have ties to them. Personally I believe Paddock is just the fall guy and am looking forward to having more info come out.
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Lombardo got campos and paddock confused a couple of times on mondays conference lol he switched their names accidently twice.
when the reporter asked how many cell phones were in the room and do they believe he was in communicatino with anyone else the time he said uhhhhh idk and asked mr agent and he quietly said that is not pertinent information. then lombardo says yes we dont have the information at this time next question

at some point in the video you hear a reporter ask how is jesus campos doing now and he ignores and says im going to take mr ridders question first (that guys questions are basically the only ones he answered)
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theyre sticking to the 9:59 time too. he said well campos was on that floor at 9:59 he fixed a door issue and then was shot at at 10:05 and he immediately called on his radio to security and then called the police on his cell phone (no mention to "maintenance" guy this time). i want to hear him or mb calling into the police.
i believe they said he was on or around the floor but lets see he was at the bottom and he was sent to fix an issue on the 32nd floor at 9:59pm. he fixed the issue and was shot at at 10:05. so within 5-6 minutes he was able to go to the 32nd floor, fix an issue, get shot at, call the cops (where he told them shooter location)
but the cops took 12 minutes to reach the floor.
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hes REALLLYYYY stressing :

"WE ARE NOT HIDING ANYTHING THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY HERE TRUST ME !!!!!" -Lombardo
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>>187480
> And focusing on whether 50 or 200 bullets were fired through the door is not a detail to hang up on.

Yes, it in fact is an issue that needs to be addressed because it’s a straight up lie and we need to know why _the police are lying_ about it.

It’s not like miscounting whether it was 10 or 12 shots fired, the pic of the door shows only a few holes (and the other other door has none) and even if there are more holes in the part that’s out of view, it still ain’t nowhere near 200.

http://afamilycdn.com/thumb_w/660/2017/photo-1-1507090679268.jpg

Not to mention that even using 100rd magazines, the shooter would have had to do a mag swap to keep firing and why would he do that, when a dozen shots thru the door would be just as effective at driving away anybody outside?

And before someone says “there ain’t no 100rd banana clips!”, we could see at least one of the shooter’s AR’s was fitted with one;
http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/SureFire_MAG5-100_HCM_High_Capacity_Magazine_100-Shot_AR-15_M16_Box_Magazine_1.jpg
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>>187499
> I can't speak for MGM properties, but I know that at the Caesars properties they don't require key cards for freight elevators.

This was mentioned in an article where Mandalay Bay said there are no keys or codes needed to operate the freight elevator but the question remains; why was a guest using the freight elevator?

Did he bring in all 10 suitcases full of guns and ammo at once? Seems to me this would have been reported early on in the investigation, yet we still don’t know what happened?

> Most hotels aren't as sophisticated as people tend to think.

But it has been stated that Mandalay Bay has cameras in all it’s elevators, so why haven’t we seen even a _single still photo_ of Paddock in the elevator?

Even the local McDonalds has surveillance cameras…

In fact, the only vid I’ve seen is a blurry long range vid clip of someone who is supposedly Paddock, slipping and falling in the casino (related to his lawsuit against them) and that happened years ago.

Are we to believe Mandalay Bay and the cops dug up this ancient video clip but they can’t show us a single pic of Paddock from the time of the shootings, even though he’d apparently been there for almost a week?
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Agreed . I understand why thy would t release a lot of footage HOWEVER it has been almost two weeks . Surveillance is always released . Of course they won’t want to show us at all or they want more time to edit but one CLIP or one still would just give us proof he was there .
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>>187503
> The 40+ is counting what he had at his home and other locations not the hotel room.

Correct, the standard story after the first day or two, has been that there were 22 rifles and one handgun found in the hotel room.

The guy supposedly brought all those rifles and ammo up to his room, way more then he would need or could use, implying his plan was to hold out against the cops for a long time.

But then he supposedly kills himself within seconds of the first run-of-the-mill security guard that he sees?

And that one (1) handgun seems fishy to me, a small S&W J-frame revolver that he seems to have brought specifically to easily kill himself with… or something that an average 64 year old white guy (who apparently was never into guns prior to this) would regularly carry concealed?

And speaking of which; did Paddock have a Nevada concealed pistol permit? Has anybody asked?
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1. Mystery woman who warns everyone going to die 45 mins before the shooting started then removed by security.
2. suspicious videos replaced with innocuous videos on Facebook within hours of posting.
3. non violent speculation videos removed on YouTube within hours of posting.
4. Mandalay Bay receipt for "shooters" room showing two occupants.
5. Multiple videos of several shooters in different casinos now deleted.
6. police radio traffic recorded on scanner mentions two shooting locations.
7. lights turned onto the crowd as the shooting starts.
8. windows at casino not smashed that night but smashed the next day.
9. ex neighbor calls into radio station to say he thinks that shooter was unlikely to be dead suspect.
10. current neighbors didn't know him and thought house was empty snowbird home.
11. girlfriend didn't know anything about anything other than thought she was being dumped because of money transfer.
12. shooter's highly suspect brother has no motive.
13. shooter wealthy gambler who owns two planes and several homes with zero motive.
14. planned meticulously in secret but no exit plan as he booked his room in his own name.
15. shooter recorded gambling on day of massacre and using girlfriends gambling card so as to gain future comp points for her to use....
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FOX NEWS

Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos
disappears moments before TV interviews
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>>187537
>Most hotels and I'm betting especially in Vegas use those super thick metal doors I could see how when swat breached the room the damage to the doors was minimal as they targeted the hinges.

Look like wood to me, >>187572 there are even some wood chips on the floor, though nowhere near as many as would there would be if he had in fact fired "200 rounds) thru the (one and only one...) door.
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I'm not aware yet of anyone drawing attention to the anomaly of a purported autopsy showing no brain abnormalities.... with his brain having (poor guy) presumably been blasted to pieces by the shot that killed him.
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>>187579
>Surveillance is always released .

Indeed, even a still photo of Paddock in the elevator clearly showing his face (since everybody ALWAYS looks up in an elevator) proving that he was there.

There is no way something like this could be construed as "critical to the investigation" and thus kept secret, it's not like they're taking the guy to court.
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>>186932
>is it consistent with gun suicide to the mouth?
>the revolver a few feet behind his head...
Not for a natural drop, but if responding officer finds the gun within arms reach of victim, he will kick the gun out of reach as a precaution, even if Vic is obviously dead.
>his eyes open
Completely normal.

Sauce on knowledge: an aunt suck started a 12 gauge in a public park.
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>>186993
The nature of the stocks and rifles makes left handed operation inconvenient and difficult. It wouldn't be weird for a left-handed man to use them right handed, further, with guns that aren't a pain in the ass for lefties, you choose whether you shoot right or left handed by eye dominance, not handedness.
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>>187583

I don’t agree with all of those but I’d add;

64 year old guy
No criminal history
No evidence of mental problems
No evidence of political allegiances
No evidence of religious issues
No evidence of financial problems
Retired Federal government employee with pension and benefits
Real estate investor
High stakes gambler, multiple $10K+ deposits
Brother says he wasn’t into guns
He buys a shit load of guns over the past year
Drags 20+ guns and ammo into hotel room
Keeps "do not disturb" sign on the door for days
Even more guns at his house
Sets up electronic surveillance outside room
Opens fire on country music fans
Despite all the guns, he kills himself the moment a security guard walks down the hall
Hotel room door isn’t barricaded, only has a couple of holes despite “200rds” being fired
SWAT busts in
He’s already dead from suicide
Family and neighbors are completely bewildered
Cops stumped
Las Vegas police chief says somebody must have helped him
Democrats instantly call for gun control
Mainstream Media promotes the narrative of a "lone wolf"
Clear audio evidence of multiple shooters
Not a single pic or video of Paddock at the hotel, despite being there for days
Security guard bails on media interviews, has guards around his house
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>>187597
>I'm not aware yet of anyone drawing attention to the anomaly of a purported autopsy showing no brain abnormalities.... with his brain having (poor guy) presumably been blasted to pieces by the shot that killed him.

If he had a brain tumor there would still be evidence of it, (do an image search for xray pics) unless it was super tiny and he just happened to hit it perfectly with the bullet and if he was on drugs, they don’t need an intact brain to do tests, just bits of brain tissue.

And finally, it’s not like he shot himself with a cannon, most of the brain would still be intact.

The only anomaly I see, is no mention of legal pharmaceutical psycho medications like Zoloft and such, which have been connected to other mass shootings.
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>>187618
i could have sworn i heard early on he had valium or something??? i havent heard anything since but it was probably two days in and some stupid celebs were tweeting about it too
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>>187605
>the revolver a few feet behind his head...
Not for a natural drop

It could have bounced any which way once dropped.

>>187610
>The nature of the stocks and rifles makes left handed operation inconvenient and difficult.

What evidence is there the guy was left handed?
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>>187621
i dont understand how it would bounce back so far if his hand was through the hole where the trigger was (again not familiar with guns or terms, sry!) its in a REALLY odd spot if you ask me...
i can see it bouncing away but off to the side or more towards the middle of his body but now several feet away from the top of his head
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>>187621
i dont know someone said it on here i looked into it and people were just saying he held the shot in the picture with the left hand and also that unconfirmed picture of "him" (or some other guy) holding a sign at an anti trump rally with his left hand on the top and right hand on the bottom
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>>187624

I’ll agree the revolver’s location next to the dead guy’s head is suspiciously convenient, almost as if it was purposely placed there to get the photo but there’s no way to prove that it didn’t just bounce there when he dropped it.

http://www.sinembargo.mx/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/stephen-paddock-muerto-sf.jpg
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>>187634
the proof is in the picture
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where would the casings from the revolver be in relation to the body if he killed himself all fo the shells look the same to me ... how far away do they fly out of a gun
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im really trying to look at this picture. is that blood on the handle of the handgun??
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>>187572
No focusing on that lie doesn’t lead anywhere. The entire story from the very beginning is a lie. It was an FBI sting gone bad. Assange even said it. The pictures were staged and “leaked” on purpose. Look past all the smoke and mirrors. Paddock was FBI and this was a sting. The deal went bad. It happens. And now the FBI are so afraid of being embarrassed that they make up this crazy shit which we all know is a lie and people still want to argue the media facts. There is enough information to tell you what happened but wipe the original narrative from your mind
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>>187640
Revolvers don’t eject the brass you fucking idiot. Why are you participating in a discussion about this when you’re clearly retarded
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>>187654

Why are you replying to an obvious (and badly done) troll?
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>>187654
I’m not an idiot it was a question I say over and over I know nothing about guns hence the question
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>>187618
Looking at the pictures, i see a shot to the chest and the blood on the head is from him coughing it up. The officers that first entered the room say they didn't see any head damage...just the blood.

This is mentioned at 1:28

https://youtu.be/5MRi996ozdw
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>>187659
Yes I noticed that too but was unsure if it was a shadow but you’re right they break up the pictures so we don’t see the mid of his body
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I'm glad you straightened out that snow flake on the revolver.
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TLDR?

I bet it was the NRA.
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That is not the body of Stephen Paddock. And that man does look like was shot in the chest as well. Regardless the photos were staged by the FBI. It’s not like it’s the first time they did it. Hell they edited the Zapruder film and no one realized for like 30 years lol
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>>187659

http://afamilycdn.com/thumb_w/660/2017/photo-1-1507090679268.jpg

1:57 - “the dust from the explosive breach”

And yet the door doesn’t show any obvious damaged and the matching door is in pristine condition.

2:56 - “200 rounds shot down the hallway at this security guard”

And yet I only count 10 holes.

3:04 - plastic water bottles and paper napkins that weight 0.001 ounce still on the cart - despite an “explosive breach” happening a few feet way.

And what’s the betting line that _none_ of the responding cops happened to have body cams?…

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/aclu-praises-las-vegas-police-body-camera-policy/
By Colton Lochhead
Las Vegas Review-Journal
September 20, 2015

In the midst of a national discussion about police brutality and accountability, the Las Vegas police policy of releasing body camera footage is “heading in the right direction,” according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

Chad Marlow, advocacy and policy counsel for the ACLU, said that Metro’s policy, which will make most body camera footage readily available to the public, appears to be a balance between transparency and privacy.

Most departments are still working through pilot programs, with just a few officers equipped, Marlow said. Metro’a yearlong test concludes next month, but the department has already decided to require any officer hired after 2013 to wear a camera.

Metro has since the first of the year shown footage related to fatal police shootings to the media three to four days after the incident, with the recording cut off right before the actual shooting. The next step involves making that and other footage available to the public.

In all jurisdictions, body cam footage becomes public when offered as evidence in a criminal case in open court.
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>>187669
I think I may have posted something within the last few hours that had mention of body cam footage I’ll take a look I know I saw it somewhere possibly on a timeline and it was something released earlier on
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>>187659

2:06 - “Paddock had screwed shut the stairwell door to keep the officers from getting to him”

Yet despite that and having 20+ guns and all kinda ammo, clearly implying he was planning on a long siege with the cops, he insta-kills himself the moment a random security guard strolls down the hall?
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>>187578
I couldn't tell you why no photos of him haven't been released yet, only can speculate that they have found most of where he had gone and if he used (for some odd reason) the service elevators they may not have cameras in all of them and couldn't trace that. But I too found it odd that they found that footage from so long ago but haven't puzzled this together yet.

I am fairly confident something shows him with others at some point in his stay that has been kept a secret so far.

Possibly still looking for who leaked the first set of photos.
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>>187676
The FBI “leaked” the staged photos
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>>187581
In the state of nevada you need a CCW and cannot conceal carry in casinos even with one. I do feel that the revolver is just the plant gun to say here is what he killed himself with, as many have eluded to the gun is far above his head. But maybe it is just me I see a shot in his chest, and an extremly pale face which, to me, shows he choked on his blood which is why the blood isnt spread but pools around his head and out of his nose and mouth.

I could be wrong, but just what I see.
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>>187675
The fire exit was blocked shut due to the sting operation. That’s also why there were cameras everywhere
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>>187679
You wouldn’t need a concealed carry if you were FBI and that is not Stephen paddocks body
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>>187676
The footage hasn’t been released yet because it takes a long time to edit that much footage
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>>187676
>Possibly still looking for who leaked the first set of photos.

Pics which are suspicious themselves, as there are only apparently 5 pics, four of them early one (as Paddock is still laying there) and one from much later, with police tape blocking the room.

I would expect more pics or none at all, seeing as whichever cop took them and supposedly sent them to a German media outlet, is risking his job and pension.
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>>187684
The “leaked” photos were released by the FBI to try to make everyone believe their stupid ass story
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>>187679
>But maybe it is just me I see a shot in his chest, and an extremly pale face which, to me, shows he choked on his blood which is why the blood isnt spread but pools around his head and out of his nose and mouth.

The cop in this CBS interview >>187659 flat-out says he saw no head wound.
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>>187686
They look completely uncomfortable.
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>>187683
why edit? I'll take my footage like i take my suga, raw
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>>187693
They edit out what they don’t want us to see and piece things together the way they want us to see
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Has anyone seen this?

This woman, a witness to the shooting, claims there were multiple shooters chasing her and the other concert goers. She's now dead, having passed away from "natural causes."

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-eyewitness-dead/
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/mandalay-bay-security-guard-skips-tv-interviews-after-las-vegas-shooting/
By Brian Joseph, Sandy Lopez and Mike Brunker
Las Vegas Review-Journal
October 13, 2017

Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay security guard who first encountered mass shooter Stephen Paddock, vanished Thursday afternoon hours before planned interviews with five TV networks, his union president said Friday.

“The union doesn’t have any idea where he’s at at this time,” said David Hickey, international president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America, which represents security guards at Mandalay Bay.

Hickey said he had been with Campos for the last four days, along with another union member, helping him prepare for media interviews. He said Campos was staying in a Las Vegas-area hotel suite, with a living room and an adjoining bedroom.

On Thursday at about 1 p.m., Hickey said he and the union’s local president took a meeting with MGM officials in the bedroom, while Campos, the other union member and a security guard hired by MGM to protect Campos waited in the living room.

At 2 p.m., when Hickey emerged from the meeting, he said Campos and the other people were gone.

Hickey said he called and texted the other union member. The only response he received is that Campos was being taken to a Quick Care health clinic.

Since then, he indicated Friday afternoon, he has heard nothing about the trio’s whereabouts.

“It’s a strange story,” Hickey said. “But it is what it is.”

Hickey said he is not concerned for Campos’ safety, just his health. When asked if he thought MGM had anything to do with Campos’ disappearance, Hickey simply noted that the corporation was taking care of him.

Hickey said Campos was eager to tell his story and wanted to get it out in one day. “He’s got a great story to tell,” Hickey said.
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>>187698
Wow and her fb is deleted
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>>187698
>http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-eyewitness-dead/
>
> “But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing.
>
> “100% more than one.”
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>>187701
God help us
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html
By Ralph Ellis and Nicole Chavez
Fri October 13, 2017

Las Vegas police again change timeline of mass shooting

(CNN)Las Vegas authorities have revised the timeline of the mass shooting, saying Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard around the time he began firing on the crowd, not six minutes earlier.

The new timeline means police no longer think there was a six-minute gap between the shooting of the guard and the barrage on the concert crowd.

Lombardo said the sequence of events has changed as more information has been obtained. "This is a very dynamic event," he said, adding that more new facts may be reported.

Initially, police said security guard Jesus Campos approached Paddock's room as the October 1 shooting was underway, diverting the gunman's attention. Paddock then shot Campos through the door and quit firing at concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest Festival from his hotel room on the 32nd floor, the timeline said.

Lombardo's timeline from Monday -- that Campos was shot at 9:59 p.m. and the shooting on the crowd started six minutes later -- raised questions about why police didn't make it to Paddock's room sooner to break down the door.

On Friday, Lombardo said Campos arrived near Paddock's suite at 9:59 p.m., but was not shot then. Police Sgt. Joshua Bitsko told CNN that Paddock had screwed shut the stairwell door to the hallway near his room. The security guard went to an upper floor and came back down to the 32nd floor by another door, he sheriff said.

Paddock shot Campos through the door about 10:05 p.m. and began firing on the crowd around then, Lombardo said.

Lombardo's latest timeline essentially agrees with one put forth Thursday by MGM Resorts International, owner of Mandalay Bay, which disputed the times earlier provided by police.
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>>187705
>
> Kymberley Suchomel - inconvenient witness - suddenly drops dead
> Jesus Campos - security guard - whisked off to “health clinic” by casino guards
> Chad Nishimura - valet at hotel - disappears, interview with him deleted

Literally WTF is going on here, man?!
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>>187708
>
> The lack of answers, especially about the timeline, seems all the more curious when,
> it would appear, many moments in the shooter's dayslong preparation -- and the actual
> assault -- were captured by hotel video surveillance or by cameras the gunman himself
> installed in his suite and hallway outside.

"Nobody's trying to hide anything. What we want to do is draw the most accurate picture we can.”
— Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo —
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>>187700
>>187700
spooky
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>>187711
first I'm hearing of chad nishimura
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>>187735
http://www.puppetstringnews.com/blog/mandalay-bay-valet-has-gone-missing-after-giving-interview-to-news
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>>187736
great "source"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khtcXWpetTQ

i HATE how they interviewed the "building engineer" but not jesus. he says he was hit in the back ..with what? says he sustained no injuries.

was there another maintenance worker that could have gone down to the basement to disable the elevators? he went down and back up the stairs quickly. why doesnt he have his own set of keys to disable the elevators if he is a building engineer he should have his own. why were there so many MB workers on that floor at that time? Police should have had that floor closed off due to it being a crime scene.
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so let's say "maintenance guy" notified hotel and hotel notified lvmpd immediately. there is nothing on the police scanner that backs that up. five minutes into the shooting police on the ground are still trying to figure out where the shots are coming from. there is no mention of shots fired inside mandalay bay . if the call was in they would have mentioned workers shot at IN mandalay bay and given the location for police but as i said five six seven minutes into the police audio theyre still trying to pin point the location even pointing out the strobe light in the center of mb as possible shooter location .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMrm1xUJ40
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"Can anyone advise if shots are coming from Mandalay Bay"

"it sounds like they are coming from there but we can NOT tell it sounds like mandalay bay or luxor"

4:07
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http://www.10news.com/news/emergency-scanner-traffic-details-shooting-response-in-las-vegas

check out this transcript

still cant find the shooter.
Call mandalay bay and see if they can shut the elevators down. couldnt schucks "supervisor" have done that when the police called?!!!!
18:06 we BELIEVE it is POSSIBLE it is coming from MB
19:42 we are getting from citizens that there were three shooters
"just confirming MB 32 floor rm 135?" (they askt his several times but they would have known had schuck and jesus actually notified hotel who actually notified police)

28.52 multiple people running across active runways at mccarran tower (airport)
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the entire lvmpd and fbi timing is bogus .. .he stressed yesterday that it took them from 10:05 when first reports were in to 10:17 to be up on the 32nd floor.
CLEARLY from the scanner much more time had elapsed. much longer than 12 minutes.
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they say there are no hallway cameras in mandalay bay right?
police audio says "get someone into the camera room in mandalay bay and have them watching floors 29 and 32."

"yes it seems it has been confirmed we have two shooters with fully automatic weapons"
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In a statement released Thursday, MGM Resorts said the specific time reported by Lombardo was incorrect and that Jesus Campos, the hotel guard, called in that shots had been fired within a minute of the gunman firing out his window. MGM also said Las Vegas officers were with hotel security when Campos’s call came, suggesting there was no lag in alerting police.

“We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio,” MGM said in the statement, released by a public relations firm. “Metro officers were together with armed Mandalay Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/12/las-vegas-hotel-owners-dispute-police-timeline-say-there-was-no-gap-between-report-of-gunshots-and-massacre/?utm_term=.e479522d4c6b
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>>187828
46:38 POSSIBLY room 135.

crumbled
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>>187823
http://www.kitv.com/story/36505487/hawaii-native-parked-shooters-car
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>>187873
better, thanks
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>>187826
> i HATE how they interviewed the "building engineer" but not jesus.

That’s because somehow nobody knows where the guy is.

My guess; he’s now buried somewhere in the desert…

>>187699
Hickey said he had been with Campos for the last four days, along with another union member, helping him prepare for media interviews. He said Campos was staying in a Las Vegas-area hotel suite, with a living room and an adjoining bedroom.

On Thursday at about 1 p.m., Hickey said he and the union’s local president took a meeting with MGM officials in the bedroom, while Campos, the other union member and a security guard hired by MGM to protect Campos waited in the living room.

At 2 p.m., when Hickey emerged from the meeting, he said Campos and the other people were gone.

Hickey said he called and texted the other union member. The only response he received is that Campos was being taken to a Quick Care health clinic.

Since then, he indicated Friday afternoon, he has heard nothing about the trio’s whereabouts.
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>>187877
"yeah, it's an odd story...but it is what it is" - Hickey
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>>187877
yeah but they interviewed stephen schuck days before there was anything about jesus being "missing'
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lol is this a bandaid on his head
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4980288/Hero-Las-Vegas-security-visits-quick-clinic.html
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Questions as I can't reconcile what happened.
Was room 134 registered to Paddock or that Australian guy?
The room service cart was in front of room 134 that had a camera with the cords going in to 134. So if this wasn't Paddock's room how did he have access to it?
What door did the police breach - 134 or 135?
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>>187910
The Australian guy was one floor down they breached 135
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/video-shows-mandalay-bay-room-where-shooter-fired-at-las-vegas-festival/
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>>187583
2. & 3. are hardly surprising. This is the story every time there's a national story. We need better video platforms. One's that don't delete and censor media editorially. 4chan also deletes quite a lot doesn't it....
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>>187873
>http://www.kitv.com/story/36505487/hawaii-native-parked-shooters-car

page is down, nothing to see here. move along
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>>187944
>http://www.kitv.com/story/36505487/hawaii-native-parked-shooters-car

Shit! i just xed out a few hours ago on my browser wish i left it up
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>>187952
The answer from KITV's Facebook:

KITV Moanikeala Nabarro Our
station stands behind our story but he's been bombarded with calls from
media and wanted story taken off web site. We respected his wishes
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>>187952
anyone have the text?
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>>187958
let me know if that works
https://web.archive.org/web/20171003084931/http://www.kitv.com/story/36505487/hawaii-native-parked-shooters-car
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>>187971
Hawaii native parked shooter's car
Posted: Oct 02, 2017 11:04 PM CDT
Updated: Oct 02, 2017 11:04 PM CDT
By Moanike'ala NabarroCONNECT

(Courtesy of Eric Paddock via AP)
(Courtesy of Eric Paddock via AP)
A Kamehameha graduate working as a valet at the Mandalay Bay Resort said he parked the shooter's car on Saturday. The gunman, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, checked his car into the hotel on Saturday morning.
Valet Chad Nishimura, who is from Mililani, said he spoke briefly with Paddock.

"Just in shock, really. It's scary to know that I was close to someone that was that dangerous. I would've never thought. He seemed like a normal guy. When he came in, nothing too weird about him. He didn't have any crazy bags with him that I can remember. We are a convention hotel so we have a bunch of people that have boxes and multiple carts worth of stuff. There's nothing weird that I can remember," Nishimura said.

Nishimura and hundreds of employees at Mandalay Bay are cooperating with FBI agents as investigations continue.

A number of people from Hawaii were at Sunday night's concert or nearby. Social media helped connect family and friends worried about their loved ones.

Tara Spangler, originally from Pa'ia Maui, was working close to the concert venue, at the Hooter's Casino.
She posted on her Facebook page that she was safe but said shooting victims fleeing the concert, swarmed into the casino.

"You can just see towels of blood everywhere and people walking past and they have like blood spots on their shirts and even on their face. I remember asking a girl, 'Hey are you OK?' Because she was just covered in blood and she said, 'Yeah, (she was shaking) and said this is not my blood,'" Spangler said.

Spangler said they could hear bullets firing in the distance. Fearing for her own life, she hid inside a closet.
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>>187583
Regarding: 1. Woman warning...I've seen 3 eye witness videos. 2 of them said they saw a small Hispanic or Latino woman hanging out the passenger window of a dark (blue or black) sedan whos demeanor was that of an angry, hateful person yelling unintelligible statements. The 3rd person basically said the same thing but couldn't confirm she was Hispanic.
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>>187978
links?
haven't seen any that mention sedan. After the event, heard 2 people, couple, short, 5'5"/5'6", Hispanic, moved through the crowd, saying everybody's going to die.
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I have only seen the one video of the younger girl witnessing that do you guys have sources for the others ? There was a suspicious black Audi I forget at which hotel they mention on the police scanner said there were wires hanging out of it
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>>187983
The woman that was telling everyone they were going to die was FBI on the ground and heard that the deal went bad and there were armed terrorists (George Soros) on the loose over the radio so she tried to get everyone out
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>>187910
Paddock had access to 134 because that’s where the sting electronics were. It’s just like hotel prostitution stings. But actually the FBI had that whole floor on that wing to themselves which is why the fire exit was blocked shut so the buyers couldn’t use it to escape
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>>187877
Because Campos was an FBI agent who got killed.
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>>187997
hmmmm....not sure about that.
the way i saw her being described was a little more aggressive and if she was FBI there would have been more effort to get people out especially considering it was 45 minutes prior to the said deal gone bad.
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>>187999
why did they change the timeline several times then? they could have easily said he was killed. would have made more sense for them to say that when they said over 200 rounds fired at him and the other guy
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>>188003
Because Campos was an FBI agent
>>185831
Because the FBI didn’t have a handle on the situation yet. Hence why the woman was “escorted” out. She was trying to be a good human being and not a slimy FBI agent that blindly obeys
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>>187999
Who is paddock then?
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>>188003
And if 200 rounds were sprayed into the hall (which I doubt) that would take a little while for one guy. Let’s say 20 seconds. 20 seconds is quite a while of sustained gunfire for people not to notice. But you could spray through the door very quickly with a few guys
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>>188008
Paddock is FBI. I think if any shooting occurred out of those 2 windows then they were aimed away from people and fired as a way to try to panic the people away before the real shooters got there
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>>188016
wtf... the first shots are the ones that hit the crowd most they werent warning shots.
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>>188011
...and people would still notice that it would be even louder .
my question was though (lets say campos is FBI) that IF he was dead why wouldnt they have just said from the beginning that unfortunately a security guard was shot and killed at mandalay bay. also i know a lot of us are saying he is dead..what about the "new pictures of him" getting his "award"
does anyone recognize any of the men in the picture with him?
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>>188017
When was the time the very first victim was hit? Just because you hear gunfire doesn’t necessarily mean people are actually being hit. Remember there were some single shots heard first. They also said the note had bullet trajectory calculations. Was he aiming at the massive airplane fuel containers that were said to have been shot? It would be interesting to see that sniper math.
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>>188021
well its hard to say because we dont know whether "campos" was hit or not. the one video that shows before during and after (its fifteen minutes long roughly i think weve all seen it ) those single shots were into the crowd HITTING people which is why the stage left group was bolting before the auto fire. i too would like to see the math someone posted a picture im suuure it was fake. also in the video im talking about did you guys notice several minutes into the video when the video taker is on or around i think GILES there was a row of shots coming from a different direction than MB. i swore the guy who said hes shooting from the window pointed to a different location than mb. let me know what you think
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>>188018
Ok I can concede that Campos May be alive but he definitely wasn’t hotel security. Wait a minute. Campos was probably outside the room while the “deal” was going down. And the maintenance guy had found the fire escape blocked (due to the sting) and so while trying to look into it he found Campos “hotel security”. Campos was trying to get the clueless maintenance guy away before he fucked up the deal and that commotion spooked the buyers and then all hell broke loose.
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>>188023
well everyone also seems to believe maintenance was also FBI and part of back up as well which is why they were both coincidentally so close to the room as this was happening.
saw this on another forum. found it interesting. its from the video at the tropicana.
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1507769826060.png
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And the “Campos pics” are obviously bullshit photos from the FBI like always. Like the dressed up dead guy in the room. Let’s not forget Stephen Paddock is 64. It’s about time he retired. So how does a deep cover agent retire. You do that “one last job” and stage his death so he can retire and go live outside the country. Hell I bet the FBI just has chilled trucks rolling around full of body doubles for their higher level agents. In case you guys don’t know. You don’t retire from work like that at 65. You actually retire at 64.5.
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>>188024
I think maintenance guy might have been FBI but I think it’s more likely he was just a junior maintenance guy just trying to do his job when the fire exit door on that floor was going off and on so he went to go investigate. Or that he found the blocked door and investigated
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>>188025
i understand what you are saying about campos pics but some people say he is DEAD because i argued that it would be pointless for them to say he was a hero security guard that got shot and then have to hide him from interviews and have him disappear rather than jst saying he was dead. did they stage those photos before he accidentally died in something gone wrong or did they just come up with those pictures and release them bc we havent seen anything of him . why isnt "schuck" being hailed as a hero. as far as im concerned playing along with their narrative, he was there around the same time as campos. within seconds of "campos" (who didnt do anything "heroic'' after first story was contradicted) like others say i guess they had to throw him into the mix really quick to take the attention off of campos
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>>188027
yeah i dont know im just torn he does NOT look like FBI in those pics he actually looks mildly retarded or something is wrong with him. he looks socially inept / awkward /childish
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>>188024
Oh yeah lol. I saw that interview. That dudes acting was so shitty. And he was shot in the back?! Hell no that guy on tv wasn’t “shot in the back”
>>188029
Because Campos wasn’t known to hotel staff so they made a BS story because how can you question the “Hero”
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What if the deal was almost done and they were going back to the freight elevator with a shit ton of guns and the maintenance man accidentally saw something he shouldn’t and that’s when he was shot. Campos was shot. The terrorists got away with an armful of guns each down the freight elevator. The commutes a massacre that happened because of a sting gone wrong.
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>>188031
Yes ! His acting was TERRIBLE his answer to how are you doing was so unnatural “uh about as good as I can be doing it’ll get better as days go on” LOL he says he felt something HIT his back then later says he sustained NO INJURIES when you lie like that it is so difficult to maintain the lies and keep up with the inconsistencies since it didn’t happen you go along with an answer or a story but you don’t remember you said that bc it DIDNT HAPPEN then they have to continuously adjust the stories to keep up with these morons . It’s insulting to me . Think of all of the idiots that don’t catch this stuff and don’t question it . It’s insane
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I think that’s the actual maintenance guy but that the FBI coached him on what to say and promised him the world I’m sure. But the guy is just a blue collar maintenance dude. He’s not an actor. You can’t polish a turd lol
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>>188034
I can partially agree with this bc as I said before during the second press conference Lombardo says “and that’s when mr Campos sa- (was about to say saw) .... was shot .” They could have gotten away with guns bc I did not see an arsenal of weapons in those pictures . But how would you piece together the shooting ? Do you think they left dispersed and shot people ? FBI cracked windows? And when before or after the shooting . It sucks on all of the videos that there’s that awful glare on the windows and we can’t tell whether they are broken or not . People in the bus stop video say they heard glass break and that was prior to the shooting however there are no other witness accounts to back that up
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Something had to fuck the sting up. I think it was just an innocent maintenance dude in the wrong place and the worst time lol
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>>188036
I have a hard time believing that bc that is a huge thing to keep your mouth shut about he would want to tell someone family friend significant other . He would want to be recognized as a “hero”
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>>188038
I don’t think they would keep a loose end
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What really rings my bells is Lombardo stressing THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY and he gets so defensive and red when he says it
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>>188037
Yes they dispersed and attacked. That’s the 45 minute gap. Hell they were probably moving a bunch of guns and what was in the room was what they had left to load. As long as maintenance man wouldn’t have shown up.

I’m fuzzy on a lot of details but I know it was an FBI sting. Paddock was/is FBI. Something fucked the sting up. ISIS dudes killed a fuck ton of people
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>>188024
Doxing everyone in that formation would clear the air, are there other leads. Is there a confirmed time for that video?
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>>188040
I get what your saying but they can’t kill a guy on the spot. They need to plan a “loose end”s death. So now they are trying to coach him on what to say promising that he and his family will be taken care of. Then in 6 months he has a “car accident”
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>>188025
that framework, explains the 100,000 xfer nicely as well.
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Yeah what leads me to believe they dispersed was also the strange vehicles they note on the police scanners as well as the man in fatigues with the bag near the Tropicana that several people called in about . If I were to erase the msm narrative out of my mind and listen solely to the police scanner I would think terrorism . I think it’s possible we can assume not only does fbi want to admit fuck up but ALSO protection (hmm idk if that is the right word) well they don’t want to let it out to the public and the terrorists that they know that they did that in order for them to find the guys . It would cause a lot of panic . If that were the case though I would like to know about it and put our country on alert but idk look how that worked out for the UK...if it was isis why didn’t they just kill Campos (I know maybe they did )
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>>188045
Can you elaborate?
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>>188029
theory:
Campos kills paddock with an illegal firearm. Stages suicide, shoots 200 through door, shoots self in leg, rolls in hallway for an hour. "maintaince" (FBI) finds him, pushes as hero, the man investigates, finds out they've been played, scramble to cover up.
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>>188045
Yup. That kind of money will get you a super nice house in the Philippines. Why do you think so many military guys retire and move there? *cough cough* didn’t his brother almost slip and say his brother and something to do with army? Don’t forget the comment he made about his brother never drawing his weapon. Also Steve Wynn said that mr paddock and his girlfriend never drank at his hotels. You can’t drink while on duty. Try explaining that in a lawful shooting investigation
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>>188046
You pretty much nailed it dude. Whatever the intentions of the FBI with the sting I don’t know. Maybe arrest later if everything had gone correctly and try to be praised for stopping an attack they created essentially
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>>188049
okay i understand, the money was for paddock to retire with ?
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And you have to erase the MSM narrative completely. That’s when you can start to find the truth
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>>188051
Well probably to just buy the house before he got there
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>>188053
okay yes that makes sense to me because when "marilou" gave her statement she didnt seem like she thought it was that odd. she said she was "grateful" but she thought he was breaking up with her. god if someone gave me that amount of money i would think they got hit in the head with a shovel!

yes i would say to everyone to erase the msm narrative. its difficult and we can feel biased towards the holes in the story but my suggestion would to be just listen to the police scanner . the longest video you can find on it. i think i listened to one that was near two hours. it puts everything together. if you want to take 10:05 as the time the firing starts which i guess they go by bc that was the most witness accounts and maybe the calls started flowing in around 10:07 or something around there, they still take much longer to get to the hotel room. they also dont know where the hotel room is like 15 or 20 minutes into the scanner- after the first calls but thats getting off on a tangent. just LISTEN to it. imagine in your mind and draw a conclusion. when i did that my conclusion was terrorism and i just assume what i stated above that they are trying to protect us (not announce theyre looking for isis bc that would blow their cover) as well as not announcing that it was a stinging bc obviously isis would get word of that and not do these "deals" in the future bc the cover is blown. that to me, would explain these monumental mistakes and inconsistencies in the msm,lvmpd,fbi narrative
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>>188044

my money's on heart attack
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>>188054
That’s what leads to believe that they were actually maybe being misled a bit by the shot Campos while the body and whatnot was staged in the room. The police have been very much kept in the dark. They talked about the electronics in the room too. It was the electronics for the sting. That’s what all the cameras were feeding to
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>>188054
And those foreign girls like that are so easy to pull the wool over their eyes
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>>188049
His brother has these lines that are so strange.
"we were working with the police since the first thing" what first thing.
"my job was fixing things...getting answers".

spooky. definitely not normal.
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The MSM spent nearly 2 weeks talking football kneeling and like 2 days on the biggest FBI fuck up in recent times. Fox counts in MSM too to those who don’t know
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>>188059
Yeah his brother fucked up a bunch. He probably talked to his brother right after the interviews and got yelled at lol
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I’m sure he was told to start doing interviews with those sunglasses so you couldn’t see his tell-tale eyes anymore lol
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>>188056
listening to the cops that first breached room. Sounded ad-hok, met up in stairway, not all swat, etc. Very fishy this wasn't organized by dispatch, read somewhere vegas has a 3-minute response to active shooters. Why so long???!
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>>188063
no joke, he was bug eyed
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>>188064
And again if agent Campos (possibly shot) was misdirecting and confusing then that would explain the sloppiness and delay. And we all know the door wasn’t “blown”
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>>188064
Possibly the agents monitoring the sting stopped the cops. Had to explain a couple things then let them kick the door in for effect and that’s it
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i think the only factual thing we have from that night is the police scanner. i think the part about shooters on room 29 and 32 can be explained by someone on 29 hearing gunfire and maybe peeping through their door and seeing someone with a gun and calling that in as they were dispersing through the hotel. something lombardo sid about paddock getting hotels overlooking other venues can easily be explained by him making an attempt to back up a claim of a lone wolf targeting a crowd and he explored other evens not just this one (that way it wouldnt like such a SNAP in character, internally meticulously planned) they said there was evidence on his computer searching one and the one in chicago he never showed up to. thats easy to say bc a reservation i dont believe would still be in the computer at the hotel in chicago and so many workers there they wouldnt remember a stephen paddock reservation from weeks before bc that just sounds like a normal name.
there was a guy taken down in front of tropicana three or four cops on top of that guy arresting him so i do believe they were dispersed and thats one they got and arent telling us (or isis) paddock had the materials for explosives in his car to gain trust to from the terrorists (no receipts of that stuff released to say he bought it personally, was provided to him by FBI) the scanner also says there is someone on the heli pad but i dont believe it specified which one but it is followed with there are people running across active runways. the scanner says it all. they were everywhere. i think they got some but not all.. and remember in teh video at the tropicana they were carrying the empty stretcher (the police) witht he two guys following behind and before they left the two guys in the back "broke off" one in a suit and the guy with the pack. possible they were setting up another sting room at the tropicana for some reason? im not sure what time that video was taken.
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>>188067
yeah that makes sense the police seemed genuinely in the dark about this. FBI didnt tell them in case they didnt need them. probably a lot of cops still dont know. they keep these things very tight the less who know the better, obviously. if they thought they were going to have it under control they wouldnt have told the police. what sucks is it puts us all in danger and unfortunately lives were lost. i think trump is aware now which is why not much has been mentioned about it on his part. i realize he did visit victims and that is nice but not a big deal in the press with him talking about it. i believe bc terrorists have been caught/ are on the loose and it would cause widespread panic. US is supposed to be calm cool and collected for its people they want to take care of this stuff themselves and they dont want citizens to know they are supplying guns and explosive material to terrorists bc like i said it puts us in great danger (even though its a way to trap terrorists)
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>>188066
ok, ok. I'm coming around on this Campos G-Man angle. Good reason not to call in being shot. It would explain the terrible coordination (campos>handler>boss>another department>underling>police vs campos>hotel>police). if each exchange of info takes x minutes not sure where I'm going anymore
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>>188068
Great stuff mate! I will have to listen to the best version I can find. I’m convinced that the woman screaming about people dying was FBI and she was trying to be a good human being. Maybe the other location were other stings that were set up. Maybe there were simultaneous weapon deals going down at those locations but obviously they were more discreet.
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>>188070
no i get what youre saying they didnt want that on the radio because it would have blown a cover they thought they could keep under control? is that what you mean
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>>188070
I believe there was one witness that said he saw a dead hotel security guard so maybe Campos had been killed
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>>188071
yeah i think there were multiple locations going on simultaneously. as for the woman in the crowd i still need to think on that. im having a difficult time with that one. its just the timing for me. 45 minutes before ANYTHING happened. how could she be trying to be a good human being if she didnt even know that was happening that far ahead of time
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>>188074
source?
now that you say it i THINK i heard that too but well over a week ago. im sure anything on that has been wiped lol
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>>188075
I’m thinking that since the deal went bad the ISIS guys had to conduct an impromptu attack and that woman agent realized that FBI lost several ISIS members armed with FBI provided weapons and were pissed about being caught in a sting
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>>188077
its the timing for me thats just not working in my mind ill have to keep thinking about it
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>>188072
yeah, floor 34 should have been on the scanner in minutes, not tens of. A longer route for the info to get to the dispatcher could have caused this. Fuck control, I'm thinking of information flow within a bureaucracy as big as the FBI. They do not have a 3 minute response time.
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>>188076
I did not hear this
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i also want to add that during the attacks in UK several months ago ISIS was adamant about an attack on Vegas. I remember seeing that and it just gave me the creeps. i never believe that stuff and think the US is strong but it seemed like such a vulnerable area with all of the people and distractions there that it could be pulled off
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>>188069
You can tell Lombardo starts reading from scripts a couple press conferences in. The agent behind him had so many tells it’s insane. I’m surprised they let him continue to be in front of the camera. It’s all subtle but his eyes, face, and actions tell the story
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>>188078
yeah me 2 its f'd
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>>188082
break it down for us anonahons
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>>188079
yeah thats why i dont think police were aware of this when and as it was unfolding. they couldnt find the room there was no communication to them from MB
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>>188081
And as far as I know all or nearly all attacks claimed by them are done by them. Hell they are probably on here too trying to get the damn story because they are mad we blew off “their” attack lol
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>>188082
oh i know exactly. he grips the sides of the podium he turns bright red. he becomes aggressive when asked pertinent questions. he asks mr fbi for answers. did you see when the person asked about what time campos was shot...he TURNED HIS BACK and went to the side of the podium it took him about a minute and he said 21:59 i think he was waiting for an answer or a clue and spit out that answer and f'ed up their timeline hence the changes . its A LOT of pressure to keep up with a story that has so many moving parts and youre essentially lying to the country. i imagine its hard and extremely stressful.
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>>188085
Ok. Paddock is/was FBI. Campos is most likely FBI too. This was an FBI sting operation that went south at some point. The FBI sold FBI guns to some ISIS guys that then went and killed a shit ton of people with FBI provided guns
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>>188086
Anyone fired from MB recently? i.e. a night manager who didn't call an active shooter into the police despite getting notified by campos? Something like this could explain away delay without conspiracy but rather incompetence.
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>>188087
haha yeah theyre nuts. earlier in the week i blew off the isis thing and was leaning towards some other type of weird agenda until i really listened to the police audio. the reason i didnt fall for isis before was because no one killed themselves in the name of allah. but they werent planning to attack becasue they needed those guns for a later attack. they have other plans for those weapons. this wasnt the time. so they took what they could and did some damage while they had the "chance" hopefully they have most or all of them. i am led to believe some got away. dont forget they wouldnt all be in that room. some were staying at other hotels im sure or in other rooms as back up, just as the FBI would have back up. they explain the hotel room as looking like a gun store. well in the pictures it didnt i only saw a few stacks of ammo and maybe five guns. that may satisfy most people who dont questions things but most of those weapons got away
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>>188090
That’s possible I suppose but I’m convinced Campos is FBI
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>>188089
I meant the tells, fbi guy looks like a guy. a bored guy. what I'm i looking for on what video at what timecode.
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>>188090
well i dont think campos notified anyone. if he is FBI (which idk he just doesnt look it to me) then he would have notified FBI, not the hotel. the question is how more FBI werent around and couldnt get to some of these guys quicker. or maybe they did in the room idk and some got away . or the other shooters in other buildings were the guys im talking about as back up at other hotels who had their own weapons with them. idk its all very confusing

point is- there were ZERO calls from MB to police at any point according to the scanner. when they said that they were asking police officers if there was stilla ctive shooting there
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>>188088
Lombardo is just a nervous scared (of FBI) Vegas sheriff that knows he’s involved in some shit he doesn’t want to be. The stalker behind him is what you have to watch. When he is speaking his biggest give away is that he speaks like he trying for an Oscar
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>>188093
oh my goodness look at the press conference videos with lombardo from 10/9 and 10/13 we wont tell you the tells just watch (mr agent is to the right and he is also John Podestas son in law) its wild
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>>188096
i know he is so unconcerned and rehearsed like welp just another day at the office..this shit happens! its emotionless and cold and creepy while lombardo (yes i know he is very scared) is showing a LOT of emotion and sympathy for victims but is also defensive bc he is trying so hard to upkeep his silence. he didnt want to answer questions yesterday and they didnt allow independent reporters to the briefing im sure bc of their tough questions that all of us would be pushing for them to answer!
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>>188092
Yes everyone is, the box seems well defined, that worries me is the same story has been percolating since the start. Not sure if him going on tv would've cleared or confirmed that.

What would it take to believe he was radicalized? ISIS revealing info only paddock would know? A note? The theory's cementing but there's still not much here, granted not much has been released.

Under this theory's framework, my digital signature and lifestyle would label me a spook, not a troll.
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>>188094
Maybe Campos was shot in the freight elevator while they were offloading the guns?
>>188091
I think the attack was supposed to be later too. Maybe later that night or another day. But later nonetheless

Sorry I don’t ever make notes of timecodes of videos lol. I should probably start doing that though
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>>188100
okay i ahve a theory for that. he could have pretended to be radicalized to gain their trust and pretend they would plan an attack and thats where they were meeting in the various hotel rooms. thats why shots were fired at other hotels (fbi shooting terrorists and killing them ) the MB just went bad. i think it could have been a trust gaining thing. and they dont want to let that out bc it would not allow isis to trust future transactions. just a thought.
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piggybacking sidenote- that would be why they immediately say he had no ties to ISIS --SPECIFICALLY-- immediately without research. there are so many easy questions that could be answered without research such as timeline..but thats the one that theyr estill working on but they were able to come up with the fact he was not affiliated with isis...which means..it was probably about isis
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>>188100
I think I get what you’re saying and I think I’m in a similar boat shipmate.

The radicalization of Paddock makes zero sense. His records too clean. Maybe they tried to push the bank robber dad angle to suggest a dislike of our government? Maybe his cover was a gun runner Muslim convert? And yes. If this gets out, all FBI ISIS gun stings will be compromised
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>>188102
Sounds plausible
>>188103
It could have also been a campaign to try to discredit the ISIS claim because the FBI was already in damage control mode
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>>188106
exactly
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>>188102
I hear that. But if FBI said he's ISIS, would we still be talking about this? I don't see how them labelling him that would impact trust in future gun deals.

Maybe he was selling to Ukrainian or syrian rebels, both of whom would gain if the USA shook up the middle east like we did after 911. So the rebels stage an ISIS style event, FBI knows its not ISIS (explains the really quick 'not ISIS' response).

In this scenario, it all sorta makes sense to me. I'm just not seeing false flag. Would also explain why no backup. Syrians don't want to blow up Vegas they'd rather raqqa, right? Campos can handle it.

Any yarn leading down this rabbit hole?
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>>188105
They still need guns. They will continue to buy them.
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No matter what, this for a fact was an FBI sting that got AFU. Paddock was FBI. And I’m almost certain he is alive in the Philippines right now enjoying some delicious lumpia and San Miguel
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>>188108
well i just say ISIS bc thats what i think of as these types of attacks in terrorism in our country just bc of their threats. if they said he was isis , then that would give isis credit for the attack. we are too proud of a country for that they dont want to give them the satisfaction
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>>188110
Yeah but all deals will have to be suspended for now on ISIS’s size until they can reasses their gun sources
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>>188111
>lumpia
thats the shit right there
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>>188111
reading our comments on 4chan saying "hmmm nope not that..yup that ones onto something..ehhh you guys come on stay on track! there ya go making progress! no no no look at the facts!" lol
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>>188112
ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack and they usually claim legit ISIS attacks. If it got out that the FBI gun deal sting to ISIS members inside the United States fucked up that would make ISIS think all current gun deals might be stings. I’m sure ISIS knows by now because they were there lol
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>>188115
spill it paddy! this is a safe space
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>>188116
yes thats exactly what i said a few posts ago...im answering to why isis specifically but youre righ ti shouldve mentioned bc they claimed the attack
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Assange posted on Twitter about this exact thing. Anything about a sting was silenced. Paddock has such a clean record because he is a deep cover FBI agent with a false background and everything
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And we do know for a fact there were multiple shooters and shootings that night
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good posts tonight everyone!!! i feel like im getting a clearer picture
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>>188116
So the 'play' here is no no ISIS, no sting here, no way, your boi just went off? seems weak af, I mean these are the people that brought us aliens afterall
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The FBI is already on thin ice with America. Imagine what a botched sting that resulted in the deaths of 50+ people would do
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Steve Paddock was an accountant mabey he watched the movie The Accountant and fantasied about being the recluse, deadly brilliant killer and then acted out on it to settle a score this the casino owners who he knew would lose millions in gambling revenues.
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>>188120
still no
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>>188123
exactly. its so dangerous everyone would be devastated and lose so much trust. not to mention blame POTUS
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>>188124
>The Accountant
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2140479/videoplayer/vi2433726233?ref_=tt_ov_vi

wow oh wow this is the strongest theory put forward yet. this fits
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>>187095
Hi, I've read some of what you say in this feed and I'd enjoy conversing with you if you're around. I'm new to this site so I'm not certain how I'll be notified if you reply later when I may not be logged in but nonetheless I'll respond eventually. :)
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>>188122
Yup and they rely on the sheeple to eat their brain food and not question authority. Everyone firmly believes our government lies to us but the takes these narratives as gospel
>>188125
No how?
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I think if the fbi failed at an Isis sting but shot them dead in the hotel room. The story we are being told would be different. Why pass up a perfect opportunity to bring praise to the gnu especially after recent events bringing discredit to them
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>>188126
"miracle"
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cool theory but..
explanation of several shooters and all the other crazy stuff on the police scanner (and someone spotted on helipad)
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>>188126
I wouldn’t blame POTUS
>>188127
You’re fucking dumb. Leave troll
>>188128
I am actually new too. I wanted to find somewhere to get this shit out to people once I figured it out
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>>188130
Ok so are you inferring that FBI agents mowed Americans down?
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>>188129
witness reports, thats it for multiple shooters right? I think panic, echoes, plain clothes officers and bullet strikes would be enough to create this effect in a mob. I want...need really... something firmer to set my teeth in.
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>>188135
There are multiple automatic guns firing at multiple times. Police don’t use automatic weapons. Smart people don’t use automatic weapons. Echoes?! Lol if that was such an echo chamber then why did the concert need giant speakers?
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>>188135
And not reports. Video/audio footage
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>>188135
you need to go up about thirty posts we made some really good points on here with clear explanations and we are agreeing on most of them. not gonna explain everything over again
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>>188134
that's where I get hung up too. The special agents that raided my house we're super chill. no charges despite finding tons of weed (they were looking for terrorist so i was told), I don't see mass murder in their temperament. isn't that more a CIA/black ops thing?

where it falls apart for me. motive.
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>>187403
That record seems accurate as Laura Loomer went to his house twice where a so called security guard was standing guard. I saw the house numbers 4131 that the voter record for him shows.
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>>188139
Well that’s because the ISIS guys slipped out. I suppose maybe a couple were killed up in the room but I doubt it
because it’s not on the radios. What motive are you talking about? ISIS’s motive? Lol
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>>188139
And yes you’re right. That’s the CIA’s job lol
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>>188141
its not on the radio bc fBI were there as well. they settled all of that out before anyone went ito the room which is why they say they didnt go in for 72 minutes.
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>>187511
Independently. Your spell check sucks! Lol ;)
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>>188143
Ahh yes good point. Maybe the windows broke in the room due to trading gunfire when the deal went bad? Those suites probably have some pretty good sound isolation until a window or 2 is broken
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>>188134
I am not. I'm saying that the theory of bad sting with Isis being shot down in hotel room doesn't play out. I feel if that was the case we'd be seeing praise of the fbi gunning down isis and preventing further deaths from occuring.
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>>188144
hahahahaha i noticed that too but i didnt want to say anything !!! it's ok :)
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>>188146
Because they didn’t prevent anything. An attack occurred most likely hurriedly because the ISIS found out about the sting. Not all the cell members would have been in the room
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>>188146
NO bc they dont want ISIS to even be a thing. they dont want that out there. it would blow future meet ups with them.
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>>188137
>>188138
Yes I've been in here. what footage? what analysis? still utterly unconvinced. are we talking the nature news guy here?

granted it sounds like overlapping fire, where the video of 'this can't be an echo because...' doesn't exist (yet). Honestly that mike savage guest last week saying that is definitely a M240 is as close to an expert opinion i've got

>>188136
speakers are often set up to reduce bad acoustics. Places with good acoustics do not need much amplification, so if this place needed and in fact had huge speakers, that makes me think echoes could definitely explain some of this. Any vegas residents interested in experimenting? record some firecrackers or fireworks in the areas we have videos if no echo, no more discussion.

Why the vitriol? same boat guys
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>>188141
lol Fbi's motive. the board is converging on incompetence
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>>188150
sorry i was in caps bc i keep typing the same stuff over and over my bad...
i am basing my conclusion on police scanner audio for the most part. there are some witness videos where i hear multiple gunfire as well as echoes. i can easily tell the difference...teh second gunfire if it is in a video is very apparent and in much smaller bursts and louder audio
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>>188146
yeah it doesn't play, they'd definitely take the credit and say 'we busted the deal, but not before...'
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>>188153
No, i dont think so. they dont want america to know they're playing around with terrorists because it is dangerous. especially not with the state we are in right now there's no way. they wouldnt even do it if they caught them because it would compromise future deals with them. this stuff goes on all the time and do we hear about it? no. we're not supposed to.
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>>188150
I agree with the sound of a 240. They have a unique sound. Echoes don’t explain all the shots. I’ve never been to Vegas but my profession deals in sound navigation and ranging and my ears know what they hear. Sounds travels horribly in large open air spaces. Sorry for the sharp tongue my friend lol. >>188151
What’s their motive to conceal a botched ISIS gun deal where they gave the guys the guns that killed 50+ people??
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>>187910
Padd (sy)ock had the suite 135 comped to him and rented the adjoining room 134
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>>188155
"sorry guys we were doing a guns deal with ISIS and it went bad. sorry it went poorly and they killed your loved ones. our bad"

"isis do you want to do another deal"

"uh no."
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>>188156
Yes because that’s where all the equipment was for the sting operation
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>>188157
Lmao yup! It’s like saying you didn’t eat the last cookie with chocolate on your face
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>>188152
from the scanner I agree, yeah cops thought there were multiple shooters, with that many phones running video, we'd have something better if that was the case I think. Remember Dallas?

Gets back to audio analysis again. Without an expert, we'll be spinning around this indefinitely. the groupings the groupings, thats what it all hinges on really. w/out the no at 1:28 we hear overlapping fire, the first group had 18 bullets, the second shooter fired 11, the timing of the first group is consistent with blah blah blah, the second group could not be simply reflection because of gab gab gab. Thats what is needed to clear the multiple shooter angles up.
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>>188154
fair
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>>188161
But the FBI controlled so much of Vegas that night. There are multiple reports from witnesses trying to provide video evidence to the FBI that their phones were essentially wiped. And not everyone uploads to social media and YouTube remember
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could be several gag orders with an ongoing "investigation " as well as several lawsuits in the work. there could be a thing where theyre not allowed to upload stuff bc they need evidence. lets not forget how many people dropped their phones that night . not a lot of people were filming, they were hiding and running
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>>188155
ok ok, they gave the guns! ala 2fast2furiously. Still think you could throw paddock under bus, say this wasn't us, anon tip lead us there yadayada. but i'm not calling the plays. rushed, late night (b-team is at the helm), this does feel boilerplate somewhat.

just weak sauce all around. This is why there are terrorists.

no apologies needed, I didn't come to the 2nd scummiest place on the net to be treated kindly, sir. I came for the sharp edge of anon'd critique.
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>>188161
I do agree we need to do a full breakdown of all available audio of shots to determine the actual number of shooters. I just don’t think from my trained ears the echoes explain the number sounds
>>188164
Excellent points
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>>188158
that makes tons of sense to me
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>>188165
mam*
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>>188034
>The terrorists got away with an armful of guns each down the freight elevator.

Y’all are a bunch of retards (or agent provocateurs…) claiming “terrorists” were somehow involved.

If there had been terrorists in the casino, they’d have USED all those guns to kill FAR MORE people, not fired off a few shots and then run away. WTF does that gain them?

Terrorists _want to kill people_ and where would they get a better opportunity, then after conveniently getting their hands on 20+ rifles and a shit load of ammo, in a jammed packed casino full of unknowing people?
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>>188165
Paddock is essentially a patsy at this point. That wasn’t his body. That dude retired out of the FBI and that was his last job. He is in the Philippines as we speak.
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>>188163
really? I did not hear this. wiped phones you say
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making progress!

i dont even need verification from lvmpd i really dont. i just need a plausible story that makes sense to satisfy me lol. truth is we will never know the TRUTH...but we can make sense of facts
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>>188170
marm'* cusey
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>>188171
bc kill wasnt planned for that night they just took the opportunity and wanted to get the guns back to where they needed to go in the first place...there were pawns picking up the guns at the deal taking them somewhere else for a larger attack
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>>188171
IRA? they are still active stateside
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>>188171
Not when they realized they were in the middle of an FBI sting. And what’s a better target? A large packed concert across the street or a bunch of people getting drunk and playing slots surrounded by objects for cover so shooting would be even more inefficient.

Now be quiet. Adults are talking
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>>188171
we've also made other points saying the terrorists were caught/killed (some of them ) because man was taken down at tropicana ...as noted...these are speculations we are basing off of police scanner and witness videos not msm. theyre just ideas and youd actually be retarded not to question it so why are you even here
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>>188177
still trying to make sense of the crazy fast 'not isis' comment. 'We know its ISIS but don't want to give them the satisfaction' rings hollow.
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>>188039
>I have a hard time believing that bc that is a huge thing to keep your mouth shut

I don’t, it’s a simple carrot & stick approach.

“Say what we want you to say, and we’ll get you a cushy high paying union gig with a pension and top-notch benefits in a government facility. Don’t say what we want, and the IRS will audit you six ways to Sunday and the FBI will plant a kilo of cocaine in your house.”

Put yourself in that guy’s shoes - what would YOU do?
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>>188180
Because the sting made too much noise. They knew ISIS would claim responsibility but that wasn’t the planned attack. So FBI got into damage control to tell us “whatever these guys say. They’re lying” before ISIS got the word out
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>>188179
so much about the Tropicana. something brewed up there, more than one guy being tackled. Shots no shots, that alex jones bs, the 'hands up' phalanx, this that. tough to sort through.
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>>188181
>Put yourself in that guy’s shoes - what would YOU do?
loosen the jaw lol
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>>188183
Yeah I need to look into the Tropicana more. Fuck Alex Jones. He’s a shill for the Democrats
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>>188181
I wouls WANT to tell the truth openly in public but I’d probablt be shot in the back of the head twice - self inflicted . Can’t say what I would actually do though
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>>188185
He is waaaaaaay out there with the satanic bullshit lol
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>>188187
so faaaaaaaar
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Scott Edmisten, Johnson City, TN. Oct 2, 4am arrested with an arsonal of automatic weapons, 900 rounds of ammunition, every gun was loaded. Next day FBI raided his home. Found 4 more guns and parts. My source says he met w Paddock on 9/27. He's in jail and not talking. You can find the news feed online.
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>>188187
He is waaay out on everything. He gets some real truth sprinkled in there but that’s how he gets his following then he spouts insanity and they eat it up. The best way to control the opposition is to run it
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>>188189
Anons! Investigate!
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>>188189
On so is this a non isis angle . Could be a planned lefties thing that could make sense . Had an accomplice who got away they were planning to use the “equipment” in the car thinking at least one could get away and use it (or several other accomplices ) would make sense for scouting other locations too and multiple shooters . Would also explain them not telling us and giving the lone wolf theory so they could trick the other accomplices into thinking they were fooled by them and that they wouldn’t get caught
What would the money transfer be for
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I saw her with her Mandalay Bay HR records were pulled on Jesus Campos and virtually it was blank also the data was entered by the Chief Financial Officer the day before the video of myself says which is very suspect I don't believe he work for the hotel can anyone verify whether he did or not BC the union pictures of seem to be photoshopped and possibly say
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>>188193
what im sorry i dont understand
saw who
what union pictures
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>>188189
>
http://www.wcyb.com/news/tennessee/washington-county-tn/update-edmisten-indicted-on-federal-gun-charges/636171668

goes along with the 'look at other arrests' line going on right after the shooting, however, these are actually autos. not modified semi's. pulled over for speeding...very strange. But I don't see a relation.
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>>188193
He was also not listed on the staff listing that night and he is not registered as all security is required to be in Nevada
>>188192
That really doesn’t make sense. The leftists are not elevated to levels of ISIS.
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>>188192
more guns of course. in this framework, marilou is the fixer.
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>>188190
Money transfer? BTW I saw somewhere that it was $127k not $100k. An interview with the Mesquite Texas gun shop owner says that Mary Lou and he came in she had a bedazzled walking cane which really struck them all as odd they didn't buy anything that day but he asked about modifying AR weapons and has purchased from them before and the FBI bed come in and get those records from the shop owner. Which, leads me to believe that he was involved in the shooting were earlier I didn't think that he was anything more than a patsy but you don't go around asking how to modify AR weapons if you don't have some intentions
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>>188198
yeah she was in a wheelchair when she was at the airport
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>>188064
>listening to the cops that first breached room. Sounded ad-hok, met up in stairway, not all swat, etc. Very fishy this wasn't organized by dispatch

Indeed, at first we were told that regular cops secured the floor and waited 20 mins for the SWAT team, who blew the door but in the CBS video interview, those four cops who are _first thru the door_ are a detective, a K9 cop and two regular street cops I believe.

Do police departments issue "blasting charges" to K9 cops nowadays?
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>>188195
The anon said he had a source that said that paddock and him had a meeting. We need to keep an eye on that guy. Maybe one day all charges get dropped and he walks right out?
>>188198
Lmao you really believe that was a real interview?
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>>188190
I'll look for the utube video I saw connecting. I watched it all. About an hour. Yawn. But really good info
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>>188198
The money transfer was for his girlfriend to buy a house in the Philippines. Money like that gets you set up real nice in the PI. Those little brown fuck machines are a lot of fun
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>>188200
yes heard the regular cops secured floor line as well. then actually not. there was a swat with the stairwell crew
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>>188192

Look up youtube today 10.14 Scott Binsack.
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>>188202
yeah ive heard it but never looked into it
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>>188203
Paddock has been deep cover FBI and it was time for his retirement. You retire from federal work at 64.5. Not 65
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>>188194
If if you look online at the union that Jesus supposedly works for there's some recent pictures of him holding an award
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>>188205
specific link please !
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>>188201
yeah, why arrest him in the first place then? to preserve his cover? Like the fishborne movie, Deep Cover. Arrest him, walk him, talk them, book them? Sounds complicated.
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>>188208
oh gotcha...the ones where it says he was being awarded by FBI for being a hero...but then he wasnt a hero...but then they gave him an award for being a hero LOL
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>>188208
Ok. I’ve a got a Golden Gate Bridge for sale. I’ll give you a good price my friend
>>188210
Well maybe you just had some Barney out there that didn’t believe his FBI story and took him in.
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>>188196
Look up scott binsack he has a video about an hour long today 1014. He's worth folloeing. Little narcissistic but you should watch the video it's pretty informative and gives you some background on him which is very interesting
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>>188213
Looking now
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>>188213
"who is vegas hiding on the 47th floor?"
the music is already making me lol

i think i saw that is that where theyre hiding jesus lol
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>>188213
give me a spoiler alert what is his angle
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>>188215
I bet the Jews and Christians would like that information lol
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>>188214
not my style, scrubbed around. post up time code if something super dank
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>>188216
$8/1000 views
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>>188219
LOL
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We know this was an FBI sting. Somethings went wrong. Paddock is FBI. Campos is FBI.
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>>188136
>Echoes?! Lol if that was such an echo chamber then why did the concert need giant speakers?

Exactly, all one has to do is look at pictures of the area; it's a fucking cubic square mile of empty space.

You can't get echoes without something to bounce the sound off and there is absolutely nothing around to bounce sounds off.

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Las-Vegas-shooting-map-1.jpg
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>>188221
is 200 agents about normal for this type of thing? that could be a hint as well.
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If anyone has VR it is useful to check out that area in Vegas to explore ideas and theories
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>>188223
Well if the sting goes properly then you wouldn’t need many agents. I’m convinced the woman in the crown warning people was FBI and realized FBI lost control of the situation
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>>188223
oh im sure it is. and remember a lot of them would be undercover.

there was a "slip" in an article i had read where it said something was on jesus campos's body cam...well he wouldnt have a body cam as security. maybe there are those two different pictures of jesus campos bc one is the actual mexican security guard and the other pic in the suit would maybe be the actual FBI who took campos's place as "security guard" that nightthe little mexican looks scared doesnt look like FBI idk thats a stretch lol
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>>188225
but it still doesnt make sense that she knew it went bad. she warned people and it wasnt until 45 minutes later the sting had gone bad.
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He is right about the hotel owners and inside trading. Hell Soros put huge put options against MGM right before all this.

I can definitely see the CIA connection as possible
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>>188227
The sting had gone bad before the shooting. The FBI was still trying to control everything but she realized they had lost control of the buyers
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>>188189
>My source says he met w Paddock on 9/27

I wonder if he had the $600 rifle that's supposedly missing from Paddock's arsenal.
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>>188225
they probably have a decent amount of them anyway spread out everywhere . maybe just a few for the actual sting but theyd be littered throughout the area in case something went wrong which it obviously did. could that explain the two helicopters circling behind the bay? that could be coincidence considering the little airport right there and the rich people just flying around vegas. i also keep thinking of them saying there's someone on the helipad and people running across the runway. and the bullets on whats that road giles i think- isnt that sort of close to the airport..those bullets were coming from the opposite direction the MB bullets were coming from. plus the trajectory looked off they looked like they were coming from an elevated position on the other side of the road
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>>188150
>so if this place needed and in fact had huge speakers, that makes me think echoes could definitely explain some of this.

That's not how echoes work, you need something to bounce the sound off to create an echo and there NOTHING in the area to bounce that sound off.

Just look at a map;
https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Mandalay-Bay-Shooting-Map.jpg
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>>188222
https://i.4cdn.org/b/1508035028773.png
lots of surfaces to bounce off. sound is super weird
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>>188209
Sorry, I want tons and tons of YouTube videos regarding this Mandalay bay Massacre so I don't keep the links I can just tell you the information on how you can look it up just like I would have to do in order to give you the link.
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>>188229
so you are saying then isis didnt shoot from that room and they were just all over..with that many eyes you would think they could have prevented that. where would they have fired from? it was high up and from MB direction . at least the bulk of it looked that way. plus it doesnt make sense the reports at tropicana and everything came in after the mass shooting. i feel like there was maybe a deal in another room or someone tried to escape at another hotel after the mass shooting and thats kind of when that stuff started to occur.
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>>188227
yeah, marilou or prostitute friend realizing this guy is bonkers and running makes sense though
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>>188227
yeah, marilou or prostitute friend realizing this guy is bonkers and running makes sense though.

--captcha so shitty 8th trys the charm
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>>188221
How do you know they're not Cia as that's the conspiracy theory I read from Scott binsack on youtube today. Idk, he seems as credible as anyone. You should watch his video today.
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>>188230
if if if
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>>188239
that video is so shitty not credible
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>>188238
......which one is that directed towards
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>>188164
>not a lot of people were filming, they were hiding and running

There were all kinda people just standing around wonder WTF was going on.

It's not like the entire crowd at the concert just jumped up and charged off like a herd of wildebeests, only the people getting hit by bullets were freaking out.

People on the fringes were looking around and pointing cellphones everywhere, as they could hear shooting but had no idea people in the crowd were getting hit.

Dunno if they're valid, but I've seen pics of people running away, while others just stood at the hotdog stand like everything was fine.
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>>188232
I see an area surrounded on 3 sides with megalithic structures, covered in glass. Those can create echoes
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>>188239
Is your name by chance Scott? Lol
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>>188244
yeah it was odd maybe confused thinking it was a drill you know some people said it was "fireworks". there is the one video of everything getting down adn theres a group of girls smiling ...i think immature and naive until they realized something was actually going on.
some people were giving the finger and acting arrogant.
everyone was so drunk..confused..scared..not scared...its hard to make sense of what everyone did what they did that night
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>>188243
maybe Stephens lady-friend (meal 4 2) saw him snap, panicked, tried to warn peeps. Afraid to call it in since she broke the law by selling self. No FBI defector needed
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>>188237 >>188227
Youtube vid of an Aussie guy that hung out w them on at least 3 occasions w his girlfriend said he didn't treat her with respect was sometimes rude & condescending & they questioned whether steve & Marlu had a healthy relationship & he liked Steve & said Marlu was really nice.
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>>188246
AHHAHAHA yeah i was about to say gtfo SCOTT!
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>>188245
But air is a horrible sound conductor and you have to think about the amount of background noise which is abundant in Vegas. There were multiple shooters. Period
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>>188240
Lmbo. That's funny
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>>188246
my thoughts exactly, really pushing this so-so rehash resource...not that i watched muched
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>>188249
Those foreign girls like that are treated like that all the time. It’s so easy to keep those girls in the dark. You can make them believe in anything
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>>188251
There were multiple shooters. Question mark?
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>>188254
I believe. Who knew his characters and he bought her that ticket supposedly a couple weeks in advance and it was a gift and surprise and whether or not that part's true IDK assuming it's not true and she knew something was going on because she would with him that probably why she had taxes things up in August and was moving out because she knew something was coming down and we have to get her stuff out of there before something happened she knew something was going to happen that's why she got her s*** out of there she didn't know what but she found out. No I'm really not convinced he's dead how do we know that was his body we may never know.
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>>188255
Are we really debating this again?

Here. This might help: >>185831
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>>188255
Definitely there is no way in hell that one person did all of that it's not feasible
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>>188256
Paddock was retiring and she knew it. She may have had no idea what he does for a living. Now they are both relaxing in the Philippines
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>>188255
yeah youre gonna have to go back to the beginning dude
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-12/mgm-resorts-says-police-were-in-hotel-when-vegas-shooting-began

Could this explain why the scanner sucks so much? Management gets call from Campos, relays to officers already at the hotel instead of 911.

“Metro officers were together with armed Mandalay Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio,” MGM Resorts said. “These Metro officers and armed Mandalay Bay security officers immediately responded to the 32nd floor.”

I feel like the story just flipped again
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>>188261
yup i mentioned this earlier today.
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>>188262
this story sucks. there is nothing solid. it hurts thinking about it
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>>188176
> > Y’all are a bunch of retards (or agent provocateurs…) claiming “terrorists” were somehow involved.
>
> bc kill wasnt planned for that night they just took the opportunity and wanted to get the guns
> picking up the guns at the deal taking them somewhere else for a larger attack

Where would they get a BETTER opportunity to kill fat ‘Murrican dhimmi then in fucking Las Vegas?!

And they had just been handed 20+ AR rifles and assloads of ammo, already loaded in 100rd mags.

“Yeah, nah Abdullah, this just ain’t the right time and place, we better skedaddle.”
“Inshallah, dude.”

>>188177
> IRA? they are still active stateside

Why would the IRA kill Americans?

>>188178
> Not when they realized they were in the middle of an FBI sting.

That’s exactly the time to go full-jihadist, as the jig is up and it’s Allah’s will that you take them down with you, not risk getting caught and sent to Gitmo.

Islamic terrorists don’t pop off a couple of shots and run away like ghetto niggers, they keep coming at you until you kill them all, especially if they’ve just been handed 20+ guns and fuck loads of ammo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

>>188179
> we've also made other points saying the terrorists were caught/killed

None of which has been backed-up with even a link, it’s all just asspull Hollywood speculation that ignores how Muslim terrorists behave.
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>>188263

its just to point out the police were there (w MB) and then against the police audio of how long it took them to get to the 32nd floor
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>>188264
they wanted to get the guns to somewhere else idk maybe they did shoot some FBI

whats your theory
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>>188189
>My source says he met w Paddock on 9/27.

My dad works at Nintendo.
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>>188267
not 188264 but, I think its another group, not isis. Sting yes, bad guys yes, patsy sure, Islam really?

Not antifa, trump would still be tweeting about it. They are labelled terrorists now though right, which means the FBI could've targetted. Bunch of anarcho punks (read:no death wish), madmad in group shoots up the crowd as others run. They fire into the air once free of hotel to panic crowd and increase confusion.
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>>188192

The guy is in fucking Tennessee...
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ok we will say terrorists i am more comfortable with that term
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Does sting really make more sense than the official story(s)? eh, not sure theres enough out there to weigh any of this
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>>188272
theres not but theres enough to disprove the original story especially if you listen to police scanner then its pretty obvious.
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>>188273
yes the official story is rubbish
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Any truth to the earlobe claims? no interest in looking at snuff pic
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>>188261
Nope. They are MSM. Might as well go read a fairy tail and maybe we can check out an evil witch theory lol. I’m not making fun of you anon, it’s MSM
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yes DO NOT LISTEN TO MSM
theyre not even covering it but when they are it is LIES
they are pacifying you with a story that most people are too stupid to question! brain dead idiots. cant think for themselves! cant put two and two together
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>>188204
> yes heard the regular cops secured floor line as well. then actually not.

And how the fuck do the police get this wrong?

Are we to believe they _didn’t know_ which cops blew the door and charged in?

> there was a swat with the stairwell crew

The stairwell that we’re told had been screwed shut by Paddock and was inaccessible to the 32 floor?….

Here’s screen caps from a timeline presented by the cops on Oct 5th, coving from 10:05 to 11:27pm - almost an hour and a half:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/9347103_web1_timeline_presser_100417.jpg
https://gdb.voanews.com/1528ab89-244b-405e-aa20-8e5322e0b36d_tv_mw1024_mh1024_r1_s.jpg

What's the timeline today?
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>>188279
neither can I when 2+2 keeps equalling 5
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>>188264
If you understood it then you would also understand these guys aren’t stupid either. They plan like we do. They don’t do shit haphazardly. The shooting and killing was probably more “smoke” for their escape and they figured why not kill some while we are at it.
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>>188280
I honestly don’t even believe in reading whatever BS they put out. If anything watch the interviews and press conferences for tells and Freudian slips. Those tell a much more interesting story
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>>188282
ten minutes is a whole lotto smoke
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>>188233
>lots of surfaces to bounce off.

Where?!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLIGYzmVYAAwM9M.jpg

How an echo happens:
http://mrtremblaycambridge.weebly.com/uploads/9/7/8/8/9788395/1920550_orig.png
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>>188264
Oh yeah and don’t use Wikipedia as a reference you fucking retard
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>>188280
so the officers were in the first room for 7 minutes. not what it sounded like in their 60 minutes interview.
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>>188288
uhhhh because their interview isnt authentic.
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>>188286
Holy shit. Lmao. Thank you for that. Maybe that idiot will understand the basic fundamentals of sound. The attenuation alone
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>>188288
MSM. Don’t care
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>>188286
yesss
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>>188255
>There were multiple shooters. Question mark?

Cab Driver’s video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf7HObspB0&feature=youtu.be&t=

Very loud close by shots, then quiet far off shots.

The fucking cab driver even flat out says; "now they sound like they're coming from farther away."

That ain't an echo.
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>>188292
Yeah it made me bust a nut lol. I’m usually too lazy to spoon feed some of these idiots
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>>188286
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.097186,-115.1729249,3a,75y,347.18h,94.34t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNwAxe6ZJpI7kqCbGXXrIhynhXS7gY7V-CsQZ0I!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNwAxe6ZJpI7kqCbGXXrIhynhXS7gY7V-CsQZ0I%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya71.865555-ro-0-fo100!7i12230!8i6115

Luxor, Tropicana, billboard, Excalibur, NYNY. That map crops out all the walls, go to street view, look around. from that corner, there are tons of flat reflective surfaces hundreds of feet high within 2 blocks.


https://www.google.com/maps/@36.10089,-115.1725129,17.29z
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>>188294

well its okay if someone doesnt know or understand something and asks a question. challenge a view point..thats fine...were all here for conversation.

i hate arrogance though.

the reply was just so funny
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>>188289
bingo
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>>188296
Lol yeah Im the same
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>>188293
at 1:55 sounds like there's no echo. with 2 spots to shoot from though, maybe one echos another doesn't

This is a great video though
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>>188299
if you are just now seeing that video then go do a little research and come back later..you might not be up to speed...stay away from anything MSM!
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>>188267
> whats your theory

Exactly what is smells like; a false flag operation by American intelligence services to kill a bunch of people (but too many) and pin it on a “lone wolf”, to create fear among the American people so that they’ll accept further police state restrictions in their lives.

The idea that ISIS only shot a few people and then pulled off some kinda Mission Impossible escape, is ridiculous.
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i have made that suggestion too but no dice from anyone...
let it rip guys
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Apparently now there are reports that witnesses are dying

>>188299
Yes make sure you get anything MSM out of your head
>>188303
It wouldn’t have been hard to escape. There were tons of poorly lit areas. There are also reports of people running across the heliport. Not to mention just general mass chaos. They wouldn’t have been wearing some bin laden garb or some shit. They could just throw a gun down and run and look like the crowd
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>>188290
attentuation is why the echoes are lower in pitch and volume, would that mean echos would "sound like they're coming from farther away"? There's an easy way to check this, matching up first group with the second group or not, the fact no one has makes me think there nothing here.

Should be easy calculation right. dB of .223, energy lost as a function of meters, energy lost as function of bounce, energy lost back through air. That would give us expected dB of echo yes? if that dB lines up with the time delay we'd expect from the echo, then echo. if not then maybe 2nd shooter. why is proof not required here? Because we enjoy stroking each other cause we're smarter than the man? I want to believe but can't when the same assertion is simply asserted as fact. I guess I'll have my nothing burger with sauce pls.
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>>188307
sources

in addition to the girl kimburley?
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>>188309

okay its on the house

move along
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>>188310
yeah multiple shooter witness, now dead

more than that though?
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>>188288
>so the officers were in the first room for 7 minutes. not what it sounded like in their 60 minutes interview.

The cops didn't enter the room until after 1 hour 15mins when the shooting had started, then they supposedly just stood around for _7 mins_ before they decided to blow the second door?!

Watch the clock on your PC and sit there for 7 fucking mins...

Then tell me we're supposed to believe the cops didn't bother checking the OTHER DOOR IN THE ROOM for seven mins....
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>>188312
well who are the multiple shooter witnesses ?
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>>188309
I would say to have a significant amount of echoes that yes the area could produce echoes if the streets were empty and there wasn’t a huge amount of background noise like a country concert and the general hustle and bustle of Vegas
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>>188311
no, I'm still hungry.
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>>188313
yeah not believable
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>>188309
You have to account for propogation loss which would be insabe in a location like that
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Audio analysis breakdown https://youtu.be/nbBEBzij1BE
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thought.
in the beginning of the taxi driver video when she says "now it sounds like its coming from far away"

is it farther away or is there a possibility that was some of the shooting done INSIDE the hotel. i just listened to it a few times and it didnt seem too distant it seemed more contained. then as she pulls up the shots are above her head as if there is a lower shooter even on top of the bridge (which is one big flat area connecting to the back of the building which leads to an enormous parking lot )
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>>188307

Except it’s not how jihadists behave.

You’d have us believe that X number of Muslim jihadists came up to the room to buy 20+ guns and tons of ammo, so they could carry a mass attack on Americans… but then they just popped off a few shots and ran away, when they had 20+ guns and tons of ammo and literally thousands of potential American targets right at their feet?
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>>188315
the music was cut. it was late.
I have no idea, but jumping on this multiple shooters angle because of nothing more then 'sounds like not echo' is rubbing me wrong. lets just find out, get something unrefutable, then MSM will change the tune, imagine: "MIT acoustic technician has proved there were multiple shooters on the oct 1 incident after careful review of footage." The evidence is there for those that have the skills, that's not me, but it would be all I'd need to jump along the multi-shooter globalist conspiracy with you guys. I think that's the case for a lot of folks. No, we run with some guy from nature news, who admits in his video he spent less than 3 hours on this. come on
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>>188321
no one said they took twnety guns and no one said they were together.

its saying the got the hint it was a sting grabbed what they could and got away. also believed there were things planned at other hotels like the tropicana for instance.

they didnt kill a FEW people..58 people is a lot. i understand its not a fraction of people who were there but if they are running wild and just shooting and spraying at random hoping to hit targets in the crowd then they accomplished what they wanted. they wouldnt kill themselves or risk their lives under the circumstances because it wasnt under the right circumstance for them to do that. it was an opportunity for them as they escaped.
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>>188321
They obviously didn’t pop of a “few” and they plan things. They are not primitive cave people
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>>188322
no one is going to change their tune and report anything off key that theyre not supposed to. none of this shit is going to get reported properly. its not supposed to . thats the whole point thats why were not getting evidence and beng held in the dark where we will remain but probably for the greater good
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>>188322
I know what my trained SONAR ears hear. I could be wrong sure. But my ears haven’t failed me yet
>>188326
And if everyone has that attitude then nothing changed and you will just sit by as these cocksuckers rape you of everything you deserve
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Evil prevails when good men fail to act
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>>188328
im just saying theyre definitely not turning to 4chan investigators for their breaking news.
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>>188330
Lol yeah I know but it doesn’t mean we give up. People say they think a new civil war will break out. They don’t realize it already has. And most people don’t understand who the real enemies are
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>>188319

THANK YOU!

I've been waiting for someone to do exactly that; point out that the cab driver's audio recording simply doesn't jive with the story of ONE shooter.

Cab Driver’s video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEf7HObspB0&feature=youtu.be&t=

Audio Analysis of Las Vegas Shooter - Doesn't add up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbBEBzij1BE&feature=youtu.be

How the fuck hasn't the Mainstream Media addressed this?!
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There were multiple shooters. Dead horse beaten
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>>188332
THEY ARENT GOING TO FORGET THEM
its not something that is allowed to be reported!!!!!!!!! they dont report on the shooting at all anyway .maybe a handful of times since it has happened.
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>>188334
Yep! And they spend 2 weeks talking about kneeling millionaires!
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>>188328
you're an expert then, that's huge. that sways me abit for sure

This multiple shooters line is the hinge of the whole sting theory, and it was first reported by witnesses which are not reliable. I guess I want 8 shots loud in pattern A, then "echo" has 9 shots in B pattern. Or the overlapping fire was 2 guns because x,y,z. All I've found is, "this is weird" (which itself is wierd I'll admit) videos like above. something like that would be so huge. And blow the cover so wide maybe we'd get a nugget or two out of it.

>>188330
they did with his picture :)
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>>188333
not really, still nothing more than gut feeling
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>>188336
His picture was a fake and “leaked” by the FBI after they set up the scene
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>>188337
Even if it’s only 1 more shooter there are still multiple shooters. There is a video where a guy breaks down the math for the sound of 2 shooters. It’s long but appears pretty correct.
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And there is no earthly way 1 man did all that and somehow snuck in waaaay too many guns into a Vegas hotel to try to basically take sniper shots with automatic weapons
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>>188195
the getaway vehicle

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-aircraft-crash-tellico-plains-tennessee-united-states-military/
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Maybe MSM will announce he jumped out the window with a wingsuit shooting his flying squirrel ass off
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>>188342
that'd be amazing
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>>188341
several witnesses on board
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>>188341
Why on earth would a training jet have explosives? They don’t have weapons systems
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a training plane with a student and teacher pilots....filled with explosives
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where was that arrest in tennessee
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>>188341
but it was at 9pm oct 1 that this was reported
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWMrUH5TuU
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>>188349
good summary tuckfuck
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>>188323
>>188324

There is absolutely nothing to support this "ISIS did it!" angle, dumbasses (or police state shills...) are simply spinning kewl theories out of thin air and ignoring everything about jihadist behavior.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ1bG75avf4

watters world talking conspiracies tonight...
listen almost at the very end he said "obviously this thing didnt go well at a number of levels" then it looks like he catches himself and changes the subject
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>>188351
yeah just not what they do. But are jihadi inclined terrorists the ones buying guns are we in Osama/Imam terrorism here. Like a terrorist-aligned businessman, with no interest in self-suicide takes advantage of sitch, after failed arms deal.
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>>188351
Except for the fact ISIS claimed responsibility which is usually correct
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>>188354
any stats on ISIS claims? i.e. # per year, % true?
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>>188349

3:12 into the video;

Plastic water bottles and paper napkins are _still on the cart_ that is 6 feet away from the “breaching charge” police used to bust into the room?
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>>188358
no bullet holes in wall behind cart either
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>>188354
>Except for the fact ISIS claimed responsibility which is usually correct

ISIS will claim responsibility if you get a fucking flat tire...
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>>188353
> Like a terrorist-aligned businessman, with no interest in self-suicide

Then they would have split the moment they smelled something fishy, they wouldn’t carry out half-measures, like firing off a few bursts then trying to run away, which only increases the odds that they’d be caught by the cops.

Everything about the official story points to a "lone wolf" because that's what officials want us to believe, so we'll happily agree to more gun control and metal detectors and back-scatter machines at fucking Wall Mart....
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tannerite in car, therefore, paddock==gun salesmen/runner is really clicking with me right now. that makes sense
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>>188381
Yes. He was FBI. I suppose there is a possibility it might be another 3-letter but I’m good with FBI for now. Campos. Same thing. It was a sting operation but something got fucked up.
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>>188364
i would say just listen to the police scanner again

the only way that would fit in is because anon john

why did all those guys sell so many stocks in the weeks prior
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http://nypost.com/2017/10/14/shifting-las-vegas-massacre-narrative-has-gamblers-on-edge/

even though this article isnt directly concerning MB there are several things that stick out to me poking holes into the story we were told (yes yes i know we are ignoring MSM) nonetheless, read and let me know what you think..especially the last paragraph
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/las-vegas-massacre-survivor-dies-abruptly-after-posting-her-detailed-eyewitness-account-of-multiple-shooters-on-facebook/5613437

i only read tid bits of kimberleys description of events this one looks like it may be the whole thing
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html

James Fields
James, who died in martyrdom in 62 or 69 AD, was an important figure of the Apostolic Age. Other epithets used to refer to James include James the Just, or a variation of James, brother of the Lord.


Jesus Campos

Campos translates to fields/countryside
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Translations for 'paddock' A paddock is a small field where horses are kept. The family kept horses in the paddock in front of the house.

campos translation is fields
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http://truepundit.com/fbi-agents-working-evidence-of-second-las-vegas-shooter-have-been-directed-by-dc-bosses-to-stand-down/
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https://twitter.com/DeepStvte/status/919292150444986368
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>>188516
> i would say just listen to the police scanner again

Listen to what? It’s a jumble of reports of shooting come from here, there and everywhere yet no reports (beyond some dude’s Facebook page…) of any actual attacks beyond Mandalay Bay.

> the only way that would fit in is because anon john

?

> why did all those guys sell so many stocks in the weeks prior

Which only further implies a government false flag operation, where the corporate elites are in on the plan and cashed out ahead of time.
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Fox interviewed the maintenance worker. He said he felt something hit his back. And it sppeared someone was firing shots down the hallway, he said if Jesus hadn't yelled for him to take cover (something like that) he'd have been shot. Ok, he said down the hallway not across the hall. do, How one shooter if shots are being fired in the crowd at the concert and down the hallway and did they ever see the shooter firing the shots down the hallway
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>>188765
They way the shots went through the door we should at least see some bullet holes in the adjacent wall near the other room . At least a few . Something would have hit that wall after 200 rounds
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>>188765
They said he never opened the door and they did not see him physically
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>>188742
It doesnt make sense for them to risk their business even if they made money short term they would have a spoiled reputation and lose money long term .
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IMO if they want to pull stunts like this and lie about it they need to hire some anons to make better cover up stories for them so they dont look so stupid !
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What pisses me off so bad is we are never going to get the truth or even a good detailed made up story.
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>>188776
Theyre not even covering it ! I obviously dont believe in listening to MSM but theyre not even giving us anything else to rip apart !
Biggest mass shooting in us history doesnt post at suspects house and it gets robbed wtf is wrong with these people
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>>188781
Mostly I warch, listen to and read youtube, everything from body language experts to spin doctors like Charlton and news like Infowars.
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Another thing in their story I have an issue with is there were obvious pauses in between rounds . The room wasnt breached until 72 minutes after shooting began . Why were they comfortable waiting an hour to enter his room ? He could have continued loading he could have kept shooting so they should have tried to get in there as soon as possible instead they waited outside of his door sure his rampage was over . I know paddock wasnt the shooter but I say it that way just to point out more inconsistencies
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http://archive.is/F40sC

gag order on campos?
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http://www.nnettle.com/news/2930-las-vegas-shooting-security-guard-emerges-from-clinic-that-treated-kanye-west
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>>188773
>It doesnt make sense for them to risk their business even if they made money short term they would have a spoiled reputation and lose money long term .

How does selling their stocks ahead of time, after somehow knowing there would be a failed sting against supposed ISIS terrorists, protect their reputation and save them money?
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>>188834
lmao why would they KNOW it was going to be a FAILED sting

i said it does NOT do that. i said it would not make sense. selling the stocks could making them money short term. but then being affiliated with an attack in THEIR hotel that could have been stopped they LOSE business bc people are afraid and their reputation becomes poor for safety reasons.
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>>188829
He is going to suffer with survivor's guit and die in a few days...if he isn already
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i think campos was part of it...terrorist. there was robablu some sort of shoot out in there too. it could explain the band aid in the award ceremony pictures...covering up a small entry wound or something
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>>188835
> lmao why would they KNOW it was going to be a FAILED sting

Indeed, how would they?

But then Im not the one shilling the ISIS did it! line, Ive been saying throughout this thread that this entire incident smells like a government run false flag operation to get Americans to accept a more intrusive police state and more restrictions on their human and civil rights.

YOU mentioned executives at MGM selling stock in the weeks prior to the attack, which I replied would only support MY contention that it was a false flag operation and that they knew about it from the start.

Which they wouldnt have known, if it was a fucked up FBI sting against ISIS terrorists.
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I think campos is terrorist whom they killed or lobotomized or heavily drugged. i think they are taking pictures of him like that to taunt the other terrorists
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>>188829
>http://www.nnettle.com/news/2930-las-vegas-shooting-security-guard-emerges-from-clinic-that-treated-kanye-west
>
> Jay Greenberg
> NeonNettle
> 15th October 201
>
> Las Vegas Shooting Security Guard Emerges from Clinic That Treated Kanye West Jesus Campos reemerges from Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center after 'vanishing' for days
>
> The security guard from the Mandalay Bay hotel, who was hailed a "hero" by the mainstream media, Jesus Campos, mysteriously disappeared on Thursday only to reemerge today after visiting a "quick clinic".
>
> According to a rep from Campos's union, he had been checked into theRonald Reagan UCLA Medical Center for "psychologicalassistance" after suffering from Post Traumatic Stress.

No mention of this on Mainstream Media.
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>>188842
why would it be. theyre not talking abou tthat anymore. distracting w/ weinstein.
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>>188844
>why would it be.

Are you suggesting the MSM wouldn't bother mentioning that the guy who was mysteriously missing for the last few days, just turned up?

I ain't buying it until I get a better source then "Neon Nettle" and it doesn't have to be Fox News or CNN, just someone other then Random Joe Blow's Website, quoting some unnamed union rep.
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>>188850
yes i am suggesting that. ok ill look for another source.
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>>188854
> yes i am suggesting that.

They reported him missing, why not report that he's back?

> ok ill look for another source.

Thanks.
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>>188842
if true be sure that during this hiatus Campos was "re-educated" about the events he was part of.
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>>188859
They had to report him missing bc everyone was sitting in front of the tv waiting for him to come .not reporting is their way of sweeping it under the rug
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Only fox reporting Campos still missing
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>>189073

The LA Times seems to still be interested in where the fuck the guy is, but other then Fox and them, the Media no longer cares.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-jesus-campos-vegas-20171016-story.html
OCTOBER 1, 2017 7:50PM

Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

David Hickey, president of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America union, said it has been four days since he last saw Campos.

“We have had no contact with him…. Clearly, somebody knows where he is," he said.

Hickey said he was with Campos last Thursday, coordinating a series of interviews that the guard was scheduled to give about the attack. They included appearances on the Sean Hannity show on Fox, as well as news shows on CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC. Campos was staying in a suite in a Las Vegas hotel, Hickey said.

Hickey said he was attending a meeting with MGM representatives in one room of the suite as Campos waited with a security guard — hired by MGM — and another union member in the living room.

When the meeting ended around 2 p.m., Hickey said Campos was no longer in the room.

"When I got in touch with the other union member, I was told Campos was taken to the Quick Care" health clinic, Hickey said. He didn't hear from the guard afterward and announced to a scrum of reporters that night that Campos had canceled interviews.

Campos had been living in a quiet residential neighborhood in northern Las Vegas. On Sunday afternoon, a man sat in a white truck parked outside the house where Campos is said to live. The license plate on his truck was hidden with a white towel.

He said he had been hired to guard the house and prevent the news media from entering the property. He declined to say who had hired him.

Three “no trespassing” signs clung to the fence and house, with a warning to reporters: “No media on property.”
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>>189123
>OCTOBER 1, 2017 7:50PM

That should read: "OCTOBER 16, 2017 7:50PM"
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Campos was an agent just like Paddock. Campos was shot and downed. Campos was NOT actually hotel staff. He was undercover for the sting they were conducting in 32-135
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Notice CNN is the only news outlet not to acknowledge Jesus Campos , their illegal “hero”’......who I still say is a terrorist
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>>189358
Nope. Campos was FBI




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