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https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192560879.html

>A Wichita police officer was placed on administrative leave after a girl was injured when the officer tried to shoot a dog inside a home on Saturday.

>The officer tried to shoot a dog that charged at him while in a home in the 1500 block of North Gentry, near 13th and Hillside, at around 6:15 p.m., Officer Paul Cruz said in a statement. The shot missed the dog, the round broke into fragments when it hit a hard floor, and a piece of fragment ricocheted and hit a 9-year-old girl in the forehead just above her right eye.

>The girl was treated and released from a local hospital that night.

>Officers were responding to a 911 call of a domestic dispute and suicidal person with a gun, and they were told a 33-year-old man in the home had held a gun in his mouth and choked a dog, the statement said.

>At the scene, officers were told a handgun was in a bedroom underneath a pillow on a bed. The mid-size, mixed-breed dog charged while the officer was looking for the gun, the statement said.

>The suicidal man was cooperative and taken for a mental health exam, the statement said. A woman and three other children were also at the home.

>The officer who fired the shot was placed on administrative leave, following protocol, the statement said. The case will be reviewed by the District Attorney’s Office in addition to an internal review to determine if department policies were followed.
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Grade A spin!
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>>214504
>Grade A spin!
on that bullet

at least no one died this time
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>someone cant defend themselves from getting hurt, what if someone gets hurt?!
it sucks, but this thread is retarded
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>>214665
>it sucks, but this thread is retarded
You didn't improve matters.
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The dog had teeth.
He was standing his ground.
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>>214689
oh, and you did
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>>214485
Officer has a bright future with the ATF.
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He should have shot him for trying to commit suicide.
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>>214876
At least I tried to make a funny.
You suck.
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Wichita county again? Their cops have gotten a lot of attention lately for shooting civilians in their homes, wtf is going on with this county?
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>>214908
Aren't elected sheriffs meant to prevent this?
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>>214485
Do they not teach police in Kansas about ricochet? Or any suburban police for that matter? Every fucking time I see one of these dog shooting videos the officer is shooting downward into something solid like pavement or hardwood at a spot that's within 5 feet of standing civilians. The fucking cop is just lucky the bullet fragmented before bouncing, because if the bullet had stayed whole, like if it hit at a shallower angle, the kid would be dead.

There is no excuse for recklessly shooting near civilians, indoors or outdoors, but especially in a fucking home.

And am I not allowed to let police into my house anymore for fear they will shoot my dog? If they are a guest in my home, and my dog is a resident, I should have some expectation of accountability if a cop decides to use lethal force unprovoked (misreading the body language of "I'm happy to see you" as "I'm going to attack you" is unprovoked if you're in my house on my invitation).
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>>214950
lol white trash crackers
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Was the doggo okay though?
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>>214665
Last I checked, the cops in other countries somehow manage to go without killing every pupper they see. This is a uniquely Burger phenomenon as far as I'm aware
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>>214891
funny, right
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>>214968
really? how often do they die?
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>>214970
I don't think a cop ever died from a dog attack.
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>>214968
In Australia, police very, very rarely feel the need to draw their firearms. Most of them come across as really cool and down to earth. America is just a risky operating environment I think. Causes American police to be super vigilant. Maybe also a training issue or a lack of hiring standards in some states.
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>>214950
>There is no excuse for recklessly shooting near civilians, indoors or outdoors,
you realise police occasionally have to shoot civilians yeh? That's literally their job sometimes. To use force to protect life.
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>>214999
>civilians
i think you mean suspects you fucking egg
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Fuck, getting choked then shot at, pup's having a bad day.
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Do officers in the US get any sort of training beyond "just shoot whatever"? Seriously asking.
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>>214485
Freedom ain't free
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>>214999
The USA is the only first world country where regular cops are trained to shoot to kill. Every other country teaches them to shoot to incapacitate, instead of going for the head and central mass. Sure, sometimes people still die, but at least it's usually not intentional
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>>214999
Police are civilians you ignorant fuck
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>>215012
Yes, but not for dogs. If a dog goes to bite, usually itll grab a limb until it can get ahold of something vital. You can, if in fear of bodily injury, shoot an animal in self defense. Its the only guaranteed way to stop that threat to your person. You can also taze, if you have a tazer, and get lucky with two prongs.
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>>215020
>Every other country teaches them to shoot to incapacitate, instead of going for the head and central mass.
Police in every western country train to shoot centre mass or, if the suspect has body armour or a suicide vest or is hiding behind a hostage, the head as the next best target, as part of shooting to stop the threat.
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>>214968
Hmmmm yeah, No. Canada has the same problem. The RCMP shoot dogs for no reason as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCX_vcc2_Ew
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>>215282
>tfw fucking Dudley Doright kills your dog
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>>215282
AHAHAHAHAHA I think I have been on that reserve. Personally I'm in different to shooting res dogs but I must admit that dog was of no threat what so ever.
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>>214999
Not their job you stupid inbred faggot.

Cops are LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Your life means shit to them.

Now kill yourself.
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>>215528
>Cops are LAW ENFORCEMENT.
humans are not occupations
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>>215020
incorrect.
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>>215528
Police have two primary roles (in civilised countries, i'm not really sure about what they do in the basket case that is America).
1. Keep public order.
2. investigate criminal complaints (and take action to put defendant's before the court where sufficient evidence and public interest justify same).
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>>214999
>To use force to protect life.
The entire point of that post, and indeed this thread, was that the police's use of force directly endangered bystanders' lives for the sake of possibly preventing minor injury or inconvenience to the officer.

More to the point in all this is that police probably need to be tased and pepper-sprayed as part of their training to see just how incapacitating it is, and that new recruits should not be allowed to carry a gun if they have a taser and pepper spray.

>>215031
It's not luck -- the prongs nowadays shoot straight and connect with clothes with terrific reliability. By the numbers a taser is a more reliable way to incapacitate a suspect than a gun, and with an animal a taser is without question the better option for taking them down (multiple shots would be needed for a gun).

But if there is reason to believe there is a shooter in the house, then the cop should be with a partner, and if with a partner, then they should always always respond to a family dog with simple caution since if the dog turns out to actually attack the partner can tase it off. Sure as hell beats the lawsuit the city will have to settle, and the mistrust of police that pet owners will grow to have.
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>>215600
>More to the point in all this is that police probably need to be tased and pepper-sprayed as part of their training to see just how incapacitating it is
Well I certainly was. It was optional but you'd be crazy infront of all the boys to say no. Only 1 woman (out of 30) elected to not be pepper sprayed.

At the end of the day America is a very dangerous operating environment. I wouldn't want to be an LEO there. Potentially everyone has a gun. LEO's in my country can carry out their duties with a laugh and a lower sense of risk. It's very rarely in my country where LEO's can justify even producing their firearm (as long as their working in groups of two+).
There just isn't that risk in the community going to routine jobs.
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>>215599
Exactly. And even in America where police shootouts are glorified in film and they give everyday police firearms, or any other country where they do that, you are explicitly told never to draw unless you intend to shoot, in which case you know exactly why and what the consequences are. There are no kinds of suspects, except possibly those who are clear and present dangers to life (and even that judgement gets too lenient when cops try to justify shooting), that you chase after with a gun drawn, or that you shoot into the air to get to stop. Either you just witnessed that person try to kill people and will kill again if he gets away, or you don't get to use lethal force to apprehend.
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>>215603
>you are explicitly told never to draw unless you intend to shoot,
We certainly get told something different. The actual drawing of a firearm is not specifically spelled out in policy due to the vast variety or different situations. Other than the circumstances must justify the presentation of the firearm.
However, similar to what you said, it's 'finger away off the trigger until you have fully formed the intention to fire'.

In relation to your comments that police in America seem a bit cowboy'e. Well I feel my my American brother's and sisters. IT's a very challenging operating environment. I don't watch these American police shooting videos because I cringe. But it's a difficult job in my country. I think it would just be untennable in America. It seems like they're always on the brink of civil war and everyone's got a gun.
Just btw most american police get paid less than in my country (Although I'm aware they get health benefits and in my country health is free).
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>>215602
>America is a very dangerous operating environment.
Except the stats on police shootings in the US don't bear that out. For all the shit police talk about how their job is dangerous, they would be the first to admit that it's nothing compared to the jobs of escorts and patrols in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. And yet in those areas there's all the same if not more emphasis on community integration, de-escalation of conflict, crisis management, etc. At the end of the day no matter how militarized the police force is, every civilian shooting is audited, and so you can get for example US NATO operations in Serbia policing communities for weapons smuggling that over 3 years, thousands of arrests, hundreds of prosecutions, never fired a single shot outside of training.
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>>215607
>Except the stats on police shootings in the US don't bear that out
I'm interested to hear you've compared policing of a first world country to military operations in Iraq.
I don't think that you should have to go to such lengths to try make your society seem safe.
Why don't you compare apples for apples. Compare Americas identified stats on shootings to another first world country. Like Canada, Australia, the UK, Japan. I think that would be more analogous
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>>215608
Not him, but it seems you have difficulty comprhending plain English.
He is saying the military force in warzones have tighter ROEs than cops in the US.
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>>215609
>He is saying the military force in warzones have tighter ROEs than cops in the US
well holy fuck that seems weird to me.
In my country police have tight as fuck ROE.
Legislatively (before it gets restricted tighter by policy) it's
"an imminent fear of death/GBH unable to be dealt with more effectively by other means".
the policy and training is then more restrictive. Consideration MUST be given to withdrawing or shutting a door or taser use etc and excluded as part of the risk assessment.
I'm 100% confident our army has looser ROE when engaging threats in Afghanistan.
If that's TRUE in your country, i'd be leaving.
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>>215609
>>215608
Interestingly enough, police in my country has 14x officer involved fatal shootings (for subject) in 2011. http://theconversation.com/shoot-to-kill-the-use-of-lethal-force-by-police-in-australia-34578

Also, if your country truly has looser ROE for police than your army working overseas in combat zones, something is wrong because nowhere else in the first world has that situation.
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>>214950
>Every fucking time I see one of these dog shooting videos the officer is shooting downward into something solid like pavement or hardwood at a spot that's within 5 feet of standing civilians.

> not instantly dropping to prone position to fire upwards at dogs to avoid any ricochets
> damn pigs defending themselves from badly trained animals near their human owners instead of running a mile from any other human THEN defending themselves
> idiot cops should just not miss ever or only shoot into dirt then we would not have this problem

At least you can spell well. Sometimes I struggle with not killing myself when I realize most of the human race is dumber than your low standard.
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>>214995
Australia has a lot of advantages. Low population helps by lack of high-density areas of poor people. It also helps that crime follows the money and you need lots of people to be worth the risk. It's isolated from other countries so they don't have to worry about crime organisation's crossing borders from more lax areas. Australians also have a very different cultural philosophy when it comes to individual independence considering they surrendered their gun rights to the gov. A more submissive (not an insult) population helps cops relax which prevents escalations.

America is the opposite for the most part where we don't like anyone ordering us around and consider the government a necessary evil that must be tolerated.
This leads to pointless escalations by civilians over basic stuff like speeding tickets because they don't really recognize the cops authority deep down. Then you have the backwards ass drug policies causing gang crime. The cartels come over from Mexico and actively hunt border cops while the Mexican gov is powerless to stop. Extremely high populations give you more chances on the retard terrorist or serial killers birth lottery. Gun ownership in the US is high due to the previous points. This leads to an extremely dangerous operating area where every cop knows or heard stories about am officer getting beaten to death after pulling someone over for a broken tail light, or getting shot with their own gun after trying to wrestle with a suspect. People have to remember being a cop in the US is one of the most dangerous/high stress jobs on the planet on par with a military combat job.

So when someone does not train their dog and it gets killed charging a stressed out cop waiting every day to be attacked, who exactly is at fault? I'm not saying cops never kill innocent puppers but it's not the vast majority that I've seen.
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>>215020
>Every other country teaches them to shoot to incapacitate
>shoot to incapacitate
>non-lethally incapacitate with bullets

Do they teach them to pull rabbits out of hats in this fantasy land too?
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>>215681
If he shoots up, the bullet needs to eventually land. The entire bullet could hit someone with full force.
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>>215603
>you are explicitly told never to draw unless you intend to shoot
In the rest of the world yes, in the USA it's shoot first ask questions later.

>>215684
USA don't have an "extremely high population".
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>>214999
but american cops do it just for fun. they always shoot before they think.
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#LawEnforcementAppreciationDay
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>>215528
Is Judge Dredd just a real life documentation about american cities?
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>>214950
>Do they not teach police in Kansas about ricochet?
I believe they call it Intelligent Bouncing, and as far as I'm aware, no.
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>>215611
>>215610
By the end of the war Marines in Iraq were not supposed to open fire unless someone attempted to run a checkpoint/breach a secure area or opened fire on them. Merely seeing a weapon wasn't enough. Of course, they would often just shoot and then create a story later, but it's the principal of the thing.
There is no national standard for police use of force in the US. There's no national training requirements either. Everything is done on the local level and you can see how well that works.
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>>215684
>US
>high population
EU land area: 1.7 million sq miles
EU population: 508 million
US land area: 3.7 million sq miles
Us population: 323 million

So the EU is more densley populated than the US by a huge margin. They have Slavic criminals to the east and African/Arab criminals to the south. Why aren't their cops shooting people every day? Why are they capable of taking violent people into custody without killing them?
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>>214950
Protip: Kansas is the one state where they still actively flip off the idea of teaching evolution in public schools. Why would they teach thier cops basic Newtonian physics?
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>>216505
>Everything is done on the local level and you can see how well that works.
well you american's don't like federal level stuff. That's why you don't have a working healthcare system.
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>>216527
SUCK MY TENTH AMENDMENT, YUROPOOR!
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>>216505
this, I'm glad I live in Europe
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>>216506
In the UK 1,500 people have died in police custody since 1990 alone. Fontographer forget to include turkey where the gov literally bombs their own civilians. So don't act like it's only the US.

That's still ignoring the fact that criminals in the US are more numerous/better equipped due to cartel drug money. European gangs are literally a joke to Americans.
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>>214485
police officer did nothing wrong. keep your dog on a leash. /thread
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>>216523
Bullet goes in, bullet goes out, you can't explain it.
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>>214485
>"mid-sized" dog
>dog "charged"(reminder that the dog-equivalent of a greeting is sniffing at you and a hug is jumping up on you with their front paws)
>no mention of continued fire and the dog being killed to stop the "dangerous" "charge"
Not to jump to conclusions, but... seems like the classic case of cops overreacting to dogs just being dogs, then the cop realizing that the dog was non-threatening and they'd fucked up and hurt a bystander so the department is moving them out of the public eye in the hope it'll all just blow over with time.
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>>214891
>funny
>muh strawman is le epic win, you just don't get muh sophisticated humor

>>214950
>And am I not allowed to let police into my house anymore for fear they will shoot my dog?
tfw cops have shot dogs in yards without any threat to them
>If they are a guest in my home
That's where you're mistaken, as soon as you invite a cop into your home it stops being your private property and just becomes an extension of public space for them and therefore their own little kingdom to rule over.

>>214966
That's what I'm interested in, in part because I'd rather pets not be killed if avoidable but moreso because if the dog was supposedly such an immediate threat and danger then why didn't the cop keep trying to kill it?

>>215006
Oh you sweet innocent child.

>>215012
Not really, there was that wannabe cowboy, who had been fired from their previous job for a "fundamental personality fault" that they didn't think training would fix but his new job didn't even bother to look for such records, who jumped on top of a car to shoot down at the passengers of another car.
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>>214485
>Get call about suicidal person
>Send officer to house to ensure he succeeds

Seems legit.
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>>216672
This, tbh.
Anyone who calls the cops to "help" with a suicidal or mentally ill person is just asking for "help"-by-bullet.
I mean, they shot a healthcare worker who was laying on the ground with their hands over their head trying to explain the situation to protect a mentally disabled person that was playing with a toy train that some oversensitive moron had decided was a gun.
The cop even basically admitted over-reactive fault, responding to a question of "why did you shoot me?" with "I don't know", before the department was able to plan and tailor their narrative to fit the undeniable evidence as best as possible. If there hadn't been some bystander videotaping the event we would have probably only heard the cop's story as valid too.
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>>214999
To protect the Status Quo you mean.
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i love how yanks immediately reach for waddabouteurope
delicious salt
vald would be proud
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>>216580
>In the UK 1,500 people have died in police custody since 1990 alone.
So 1500 people in the last 28 years? Is that supposed to be shocking or something?
Fist: "deaths in police custody" is a bullshit statistic. You're really grasping at straws with that one.
Second: There's 65 million people in the UK and you are saying roughly 54 people die every year "in police custody." Meanwhile in the US the BJS says there were 1053 deaths in local American jails in 2014 alone. That means you are far more likely to die in an American jail than a British one.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/mlj0014st.txt

>Turkey
What the fuck does Turkey have to do with anything? It's a 2nd world dictatorship and it's not part of the EU. I hope you realize how pathetic you look when you point at a country like Turkey and say "W-we're better than them!"

> People have to remember being a cop in the US is one of the most dangerous/high stress jobs
I forgot to address this earlier: Total bullshit. Taxi drivers and convenience store clerks have murder rates comparable to police homicide rates. I suppose it's acceptable for the dude at 7-11 to shoot you the next time you put your hand in your pocket, right?
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>>216662
>why didn't the cop keep trying to kill it?
Have you seen a pet during fireworks?
After the cop shot, doggo ran under the bed, tail between his legs, while pissing himself in fear. Unless he was trained with firearms.
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>>214485
Oh my
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>>216506
The EU isn't a single country you retard.
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>>215968
It has the third highest population in the world. It just has a shitton of space so no one thinks it has a lot of people.
>>216476
Not yet, it is set in the post nuclear armageddon US though.




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