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“What we do is propose that for folks who are on food stamps, part — not all, part — of their benefits come in the actual sort of, and I don't want to steal somebody's copyright, but a Blue Apron-type program where you actually receive the food instead of receive the cash,” Mulvaney said. “It lowers the cost to us because we can buy [at wholesale prices] whereas they have to buy it at retail. It also makes sure they're getting nutritious food. So we're pretty excited about that.”
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>>229652
Those on food stamps are going to freak out about their freedums being denied. "Those government fools sent me a box of fresh spinach and skinless chicken breast to bake. How do they expect me to eat this shit. I want fried chicken from the grocery deli and a ice cold coke!"
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>>229654
Well, a bit more seriously, you have to keep in mind food allergies for everyone receiving food instead of money. You also have other dietary restrictive conditions like diabetes, and of course religious restrictions (and vegetarians, vegans, and pretty much any other morally-restricted diet). There's plenty of legitimate reasons why things could get complicated besides people being huge babies who refuse to eat new or healthy food (which, don't get me wrong, will still be a good chunk of the people complaining).

There's also the fact that most unhealthy food is cheaper, so if you want more bang for your buck you buy bulk crappy food. Then on the time end of things, fast food requires zero prep time compared to a healthy home cooked meal (and cooking is a skill, so making tasty food ain't so easy for those less skilled). There's a reason obesity is more prevalent among poor people, shitty food is more affordable and time saving than good food, which is great for people with limited budgets at time but bad for their overall health.
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>>229664
Just add multiple options and a way for people to select which options they want sent. A website that you enter your ID number to access what is mailed to you would be pretty easy and avoid allergy issues
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>>229666
You just made me remember that there's also the cost of distributing all that food. Just handing out stamps is easy, distributing perishable goods in a timely manner is way more difficult. So while you're definitely forcing them to eat healthy, the cost of the whole program goes up. In order to avoid that, you need to cut down on the cost of the food you're sending out. So I hope the purchase cost reductions they're talking about will actually cover the distribution cost, or they're just going to end up sending cheap crappy food, which sends everything back to square one.

There's a lot of shit that has to be ironed out for this to work and be an improvement over the current system. If it does work, congrats, you've reduced obesity among the poor. If it doesn't work, either the budget is going to suffer or the poor aren't getting their food and heads will roll.
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>>229652
sounds like a disaster.
if you want to make people healthy put more money into researching nutrition and then regulate terrible shit like all the sugar in everything.
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Stupid.
We should just restrict purchases to certain non perishables, condiments, fresh food, and other basic shit like that.
I often see people swiping paying for a cart full of chips and soda with their EBT card.
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>>229652
Distribute neutral soylent.
You wan't flavour, texture, variety?
That's tangible motivation.
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>>229654
>fresh spinach
> fresh
> government program
t. Never been in Army

Government program = lowest bidder = bread lines, canned beans and rice

One step closer to the USSR downfall
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>>229652
Yeah, this won't be corrupt as fuck. I can't wait for Republicans to give contracts out to their buddies who then kill a bunch of people with poisoned food.

And the Republicans blame the government for it.
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>>229708
>who then kill a bunch of people with poisoned food.
No money in that, more customers means more subsidies, better to make it cheap and easy to eat crammed full of additives that increase appetite for their company's non-susbsidized products, blame their poor lifestyles for any complications.

""completemeal™" is only a part of a nutritious and balanced meal, it say so right in article 8 of clause 9 of out instruction for foodaide's website"
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>>229709
Wrong, the idea is to always maximize profit, which means reducing costs while increasing the amount you gouge. So buying the lowest qualty product to resell is what will always happen. Expect Republicans to outsource to people who give the poor dogfood and claim it's meat.
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Every public works and interest industry that has been privatized is a fucking mess because they prioritize profit. Can't wait to see how corporate America fucks up food for the poor.
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i wonder who will get the contract...
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372515-contractor-awarded-156-million-to-provide-30-million-meals-to-puerto
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>>229722

That was under a Democrat administration. Something tells me the Republican controlled contract will provide more than 50,000 meals for $156,000,000.
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Isn't it weird how as soon as a republican wants to give out government cheeses, all the sudden the democrats can't stop talking about how the government is too incompetent and corrupt to provide basic services? Really gets my noggin joggin.
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>>229664
I'm getting really tired of this bullshit idea. Eating healthy doesn't need to be expensive, and in fact you can actually save money and time by making smart choices at the grocery store compared to going to McDonald's. For example, making a tuna salad sandwich is on average significantly faster than traveling to McDonald's, ordering, and waiting in line, even if you're just eating there on your way back home from work. Yes, a gourmet meal obviously costs more than a McDonald's combo, but gourmet food and healthy food are not synonymous.
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>>229652
Sounds smart and something that should have been done long ago.

These deadbeats use their ebt cards to buy booze and in one case get cash from an ATM at a casino.
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>>229704
Which cares, the leeches on these programs deserve to worst.
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>>229684
>Stupid
Wrong this is smart and logical.

>>229708
Good, rely on the government to feed you and you get what's coming. Thanks degenerate people should be happy they get anything at all.
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>>229652
It’s not the worst idea I guess. I don’t know how well the government would be able to negotiate for food considering the obscene amount of money they pay for basic items.
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>>229721
>Every public works and interest industry that has been privatized is a fucking mess
Totally incorrect. If anything the opposite is true. From health care to education.
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>>229731
Yeah it's comical the hypocrisy of the left.
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this is absolutely genius and is a shockingly beneficent kind of thing for a government to do.
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>>229684

why not just save everyone the trouble of shopping?

if you actually need food to not starve to death as a matter of charity, well then, here's food! wholesome, healthy food!
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>>229652
It's weird that that's one of the more reasonable propositions he's put forward
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>>229652
On the one hand that sounds like a great way to make welfare actually welfare instead of free money, but on the other hand I don't think there's a soul alive who would trust the government to cook for them.
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>>229740
>American healthcare provides better results and quality than other first world countries.
LMAO
Maybe if you pay millions for the absolute top service.

>>229738
That's right, be a pawn of the rich and fight your fellow workers for the scraps while they run away with everything.
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>>229736
One time I saw a single mother swipe her EBT card to buy a gallon bucket of caviar. Then she went down to the apple store and bought an iPhone X for all six of her kids with the card. True story.
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>>229760
I think they’re supposed to trust the government to give them the ingredients to cook with.
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>>229652
Makes perfect sense.
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>>229765

>LMAO

You're not wrong. We practice affirmative action even in healthcare. If you go to the emergency room and there aren't any asian or white doctors, you're better off going home.

http://www.aei.org/publication/acceptance-rates-at-us-medical-schools-in-2015-reveal-ongoing-discrimination-against-asian-americans-and-whites/
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>>229794
All the more reason to nationalize the healthcare system to remove this sort of discrimination. Also the AMA can eat shit too since they're intentionally lowering the the amount of doctors.
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that box better have colored greens
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>>229724
What are you talking about? The contract was for Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria in September 2017. Trump was president and both houses of Congress had Republican majorities.
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>>229788
Until you realize how expensive blue apron or any food shipments are.
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>>229783
Why were you hanging out with this woman?
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>>229704
>fiscally irresponsible people getting food supplements instead of cash which is supposed to be spent on actual food but isnt is a step towards USSR communism
hi sub 100 IQ retard
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>>229849
>They get cash
Not him but, hi guy who doesn't bother to read
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>>229652
As someone whose actually on EBT, this is a fucking horrid idea. I don't want a box of government regulated cheese, cheap pasta and old chicken, I want to be able to actually buy good cheap bulk food from the store.
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Yeah I've been on ebt before after a manufacturing plant closing. My issue was my refrigerator had a small freezer section so I couldn't buy that much frozen meats and vegetables in bulk.

It makes me wonder about how would this work if the recipient had no refrigerator or freezer? What about no oven, stove or microwave?

The shipping costs alone would make this entire idea beyond stupid. You aren't going to be able to use a company like blue apron that's going to be way to expensive. Even getting Wal-Mart to come up with something would be dumb when it would be cheaper to just go too Wal-Mart and use food stamps.

The whole idea went go anywhere. It's fucking ignorant.
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>>229905
If someone had no appliances to cook for their family or store food, then that is an inherently unsustainable situation no matter how you choose to give them food. Hell, that is unsustainable for most people with a decent income.
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Because monsanto needs taxpayer money.
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>>229865
So get a fucking job you entitled prick.
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>>229692
You are an evil genius...... stay the fuck outta government
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>>229652
Again, everybody spouts off but nobody stops to do the math.

Blue Apron sells at 9.95/ serving. Even if the benefits stay the same (about $200 a month), that's 20 meals. Even at 1 meal a day split among the family, that's still 10 days without. Nothing increases a party's popularity at election time than starving children.

> Government cheese
Again, typing engaged, brain on idle. The government cheese program was an effort to subsidize the dairy industry. It was cut due to beaurocratic costs. Think about the logistics. Who is going to buy, warehouse and distribute to 66+ million? USDA? FDA? HUS? DHS/FEMA? USPS?

> leeches
Why are the Republicans so eager to cut programs that help Americans, but when it comes to bombing brown people, it's spend, spend, spend?
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>>229652
there is strong evidence that recipients of welfare programs are better off with cash instead of in-kind benefits
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>>229692
nationalize soylent tbh
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>>229917
that's a very ableist thing to say
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>>229905
As far as I can tell they only plan to ship shelf stable dried and canned food with the assumption you would buy fresh food with the other half of your benefits.
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>>229978
So the assumption is that currently most users of food stamps are buying too much fresh food, or too much premium food, or too much junk food?

If it's the latter, leaving any amount of excess spending money will make that problem remain or potentially exacerbate it -- the price per calorie of junk food is way lower than anything pre-made.

As people have pointed out with these pre-selected shelf-stable solutions, you have to get an infrastructure in place to distribute it. The easiest and most efficient would be to do it through the same grocery stores that service SNAP customers currently, and pay them to set aside pallets of your selection. That means stocking and storage fees for each individual grocery that does SNAP, and that means a large number of groceries who drop SNAP because they don't really like it already and don't have the extra space to set aside for specific pallets (remember urban groceries which service the most SNAP have the least extra space).

If the goal is just to save money, the cheapest infrastructure plan spitball still looks to be expensive enough to rival what is currently paid out in food stamps.
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>>230009
Simple solution that will never be implemented due to not benefiting any doners, tie ebt to nsn of food products that meet standards of "nutritional value" and have software patches to split bills for what snap will not cover available for registers. May take a year or so to get it on board but food stamps for real food only cash for anything else. But they will just sell use of their cards for cash so whatever
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>>230009
No, it’s that the government believes they can supply the same amount of food to people at lower cost by purchasing in bulk. Whether or not that’s true is debatable since we’ve seen how inefficient government bureaucracy is. Any other reason is excuses for the big one: cutting costs.
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>>229652
As someone who worked in a grocery store for years I think this is a good idea. People with 6 or more kids can easily get $2000 in food stamps every month. It wasn’t uncommon for me to ring up customers buying two or three baskets full of chicken & steaks. My dad makes $100k a year but these jobless motherfuckers eat better than we do. Just because people can’t buy things other than food with food stamps doesn’t mean the system isn’t horribly broken. I used to see people “share” their cards with others all the time for cash. I think if you cut the amount of benefits people get on these cards in half & replace it with these food boxes you would see a lot less abuse.
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just make it where EVERYONE's id is given a 5$ a day food credit, it's fair, it leaves no one behind, it encourages people to get an ID, etc.
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>>229963
We can’t just give poor people cash! What if they spend it on some wasteful luxury like toothpaste or toilet paper?
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>>230072
Do you enjoy making up stories for 4chan?
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>>229654
Dumbass, you can't buy cooked food with food stamps.
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>>229652
my family gets food stamps
my mom would not like this but we'd manage
>get a job
I have one, it just pays minimum wage
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>>229684
there are some restrictions already so this could work (no alcoholic drinks obviously, no prepared foods for some reason, a few others)
honestly most of the people on food stamps, both legitimate and otherwise, don't have the physical wherewithal to fight anything you do if you're not standing in front of them
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>>230207
Yeah, hahah its least I can do to be entertaining. I didn't really have anything useful to post so I thought maybe a funny story would keep the thread lively. You see, because it's valentine's day I'm alone....im always alone. So I just wanted to be able to fit into a crowed somewhere. Haha funny how easily you could see past my obvious bullshit,. But it's pretty right?
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>>230235
>pretty right
Pretty *GOOD right.
Like, a good bullshit? Very convincing
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>>229953
>Why are the Republicans so eager to cut programs that help Americans, but when it comes to bombing brown people, it's spend, spend, spend?
Are you seriously suggesting that democrats don't do this?
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>>230072
It's a stupid idea and would cost the country far more than it does now. Only a dummy would not see this after spending a little time thinking about it.

$150 in food stamps for the week.
VS
Billions of dollars to design, implement, and operate a company that purchases and distributes already subsidized corn and chicken products. Pay a few more billion in law suits and shipping costs product returns and recalls.

It's fucking stupid any way you look at it. It makes more sense to pay someone the maximum $194 per month so they can go to Wal-Mart and buy food items themselves. Let Wal-Mart pocket all that government money so they can use it to pay their wor ..oh wait!

And that $2000 food stamp figure is a total fabricated lie. Max for a single person is $194 per month and max for a family of 4 is $649 per month or $162.25 per week. These are max payouts, most people qualify for way less.
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>>230207
The other guy wasn’t OP, everything I said in that post is true. I live in an area that is mostly made up of poor blacks & white trash. The current programs throw money at these people who aren’t even trying. I’ve seen the EBT balances on these people’s receipts I can’t make this shit up. If they find a way to cut people’s EBT/SNAP in half while still providing food I’m all for it. It’s not like this plan would take away their choice completely, they would get essentials in the box and can buy whatever extra crap they need with the EBT. 95% of the people on EBT in my community buy nothing but meats, junk food, frozen food & unhealthy shit.
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>>230332
I’m telling you I’ve seen these receipts I’ve seen people with their balance being over $1000 after spending $400 on groceries. I have no idea how they get this much money but people in my community know how to work the system for all they can.
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>>230400
The amount on your EBT rolls over. It is the amount they *didn't* spend last month added to this month.
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>>230404
The fact still remains that these people can afford to eat better than most people with decent paying jobs. I’m not trying to down all people using it because most really need the assistance it’s just people abuse the system and get more than they actually need. I always would see the same people getting 2-3 carts of meats every month.
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This is absolutely the most stupidest idea I have ever heard. Can you imagine the cost of implementing such a ridiculous idea? You would have to start up an entirely new governmental department to keep track of everything. If anything what would i care anyways, everyone knows white people are the biggest welfare recipient's. White people screwing over white people. Pfff
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It would probably reduce the Waste, Fraud, & Abuse that pervades the current "Food-Stamp" program....
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>>230419
>he doesn't buy his meats in bulk
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>>230432
You mean the waste, fraud and abuse that hasn't existed since they went on a card system 15 years ago?
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>>230404
EBT does not roll over. I don't know where you heard that but it's ridiculous, it isn't a bank account.

>>230400
It depends on how many kids they have.
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>>230439
Just ignore him. He’s making shit up. EBT only pays a MAXIMUM of about $140 per person per month for an 8 person household. No one’s living high off the hog on a food budget of $140/person.
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>>229734
Yes it does. You don't understand the magnitude of the problem, because you're approaching it from a middle-class perspective, and don't understand true poverty.

You can eat yourself into obesity for $3 a week on rice, pasta and lard. $5 if you add in a can or two of processed meat and maybe an onion. If you're actually so poor that you're eating utter shit, your budget for the entire day's food is less than the cost of your healthy homemade sandwich.

You need to come up with healthy food that can supply a week's calories for $3. You won't be able to because it's not possible.
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>>230481
If this were true, then why are wealthy countries filled with fat people and poor countries filled with skinny people?
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>>230480
You sir are full of shit. That may be true in your state but not in others
https://mydss.mo.gov/food-assistance/food-stamp-program/income-limits
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>>230437
Every month though? We used to eat a lot of chicken in my house & steaks about once a week when I was growing up in a family of 5 but I can’t say that amounted to even a basket full of meat
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>>230438
>Waste & abuse hasn’t existed since they went to card system
Person 1: Can you loan me $50
Person 2: Hey let me get $100 worth of groceries on your EBT card and I’ll give you the $50 cash
Person 1: ok cool my pin is xxxx

This shit happens all the time and no one does anything about it. There will always be a way to fraud the system. It’ll be a lot harder for crackheads to sell boxes of food for cash at least
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>>230439

EBT does roll over.

t.Grandparents were on EBT.
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>>230647
Oh how embarassing. The number I gave was off by $6.125 per person per month. I can't believe I was so ignorant. Of course with that additional six dollars and change EBT recipients can buy all the prime rib and lobster they can stomach!
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>>229681
>researching nutrition
What the fuck is there left to research? Typical leftist wanting to throw money at "research" instead of an actual known solution. Knowing what to eat or what not to eat to be healthy is not some obscure arcane science, you autistic fuck.
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>>229905
I get EBT benefits as well
this plan sucks because it requires me to be home to receive benefits
I work put as a park ranger and live in my RV
often 200mi from the apartment I share during my off months
the positive thing about EBT is that the money goes right to the local groceries , not
some out of state BS provider
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>>230042
ironic that buying food in bulk IS good
but negotiating bulk PRESCRIPTION DRUG prices is evil
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>>230419
I use EBT as intended
it improves the quality of my life
I'm grateful for it
not long ago I was earning a nice salary
but layoffs and unplanned medical expenses
my put state job does cover my costs
when my pensions start from 42 years of teaching my "income" will disqualify me
also my Medicare starts at 65 (a couple of years away)
so meanwhile EBT helps

my Brother in AUS doesn't understand how USA has no safety net for people who were good citizens
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>>230212
You can if your state lets you cash out your EBT card.
>take ebt card
>cash it out.
>buy what ever you want including cigarettes.

I've seen it done before.
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>>229704
You are right about the fresh food thing. Canned spinach is more believable.
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>>231768
Nobody in the developed world really understands this though.
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>>231779
It's a combination of corporate greed and really retarded people who believe in the myth of 'rugged individualism'
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>>230399
>95% of the people on EBT in my community buy nothing but meats, junk food, frozen food & unhealthy shit.
So, like every other American?
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Should abolish EBT and welfare altogether to be honest.
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they're shelf-stable items, so no fresh fruit or vegetables.
also, SNAP can't be used for purchase of prepared foods.

I don't immediately see a problem with this, since it's only a part of the benefits and so long as reasonable accommodations can be made for dietary restrictions for health reasons.

I just don't understand why, while we're hemorrhaging money to the military and we've given the lion's share of tax cuts to corporations already sitting on record wealth and scrapped the estate tax, SNAP which is a fraction of 1% of the federal budget, is such a priority when it comes to looking for savings.
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>>230399
Sure, that's not a problem intrinsic to SNAP however; Americans, especially working class and poor Americans, tend to have a high rate of obesity relative even to most other industrialized countries.
The solution is stuff better dietary guidelines, changing the subsidy framework for agriculture, and educating people.
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>>229669
Nonperishables aren't too incredibly expensive anymore. Hell, SPAM, something that has a shelf life of ~10 years, is pretty much dirt cheap. Keeping tons of stocks on hand for shipping as a replacement for food stamps wouldn't be too hard, and as a bonus, you now have a source of nonperishables to quickly tap in the event of a disaster, such as hurricane Harvey or similar.
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>>231803
I don't think it can really be fixed without essentially taking away the rights of the common man in some aspect. Sure, you can educate people on eating healthy, but without a sin tax, you're going to have a hard time driving people to eat better food.

My solution would be to shunt some of the overhead to employers for insurance; meeting specific health breakpoints (Weight, body fat, glucose level, overall fitness, etc. Evaluated by your ability to meet them -- on occasion, medical conditions will make someone less able to meet these requirements.) would reduce the cost of insurance, which would be a win-win since healthier people are less in need of medical insurance to begin with. Maintaining this high level of fitness for an extended period of time would have cumulative effects, so fit people could find themselves saving a good deal of money.

Of course, I think the issue is something that's simply a factor of a successful, capitalistic society. Food is incredibly plentiful and cheap, and the industry is great at meeting demand for stuff that efficient to produce, enjoyable to eat, but not necessarily healthy for you, such as fast food. It's a result of high demand for good eats without accounting for how good they are for you, and because the price is low, you can afford to eat more of it. America has had a more widespread and efficient industry for this compared to anywhere else in the world, though we're seeing places like Mexico, Germany, and the UK start to catch up and cash in as well, as obesity rates in these countries are also on the rise, and if continuing, will reach American levels in the near future.
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>>230659
>This shit happens all the time
If it happened all the time then the margin would be smaller. Simple supply-and-demand. This coming from a guy who's been propositioned several times for such a deal -- yeah, the margin they offer is about 50% to buy smokes or liquor -- that means they have to ask at least a few people before someone accepts the deal.

Of course there are plenty of studies on this -- the USDA studies itself as do independent researchers -- and current SNAP fraud of all kinds is listed as about 1.5%:

time.com/4711668/history-food-stamp-fraud/

It's a very very few bad apples any where you live. But a rotten apple tends to stink -- a lot -- and when you encounter one you remember that smell for months or years. (Of course you have to take into account that they only proposition certain-looking targets, so where one person living in a city has never been propositioned, another might have been propositioned/grifted/bummed 20 times in a month by the same guys on the same route).
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>>231802
Come on anon you know why. No government,regardless of political stripe will ever attack those who got them into office. So the only people they can squeeze for savings are the elderly on fixed incomes, the working poor, and destitute.
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>>229652
Isn't this just a tad too communist? It'll also slow the retail economy quite obviously.
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>>231897
>without essentially taking away the rights of the common man

Feeding everyone has never been a communist goal comrade. (See what is Holodomor.)

Yet socialist & soft communists always try to shackle capitalist with this burden.

Really sets my noggin a'joggin.
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>>231916
It'll be a sweetheart deal to private contractors. That's the real story. The people lining politician's pockets don't want to eliminate welfare. They want to privatize it.
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>>229652
Fuck that. Let them die of chips and soda.
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Can we fucking stop calling them "food stamps" now? They haven't been "stamps" for decades. Just fucking stop.
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>>229681
Typical American view.
>Don't do the thing that will help the issue today research more and pass laws in the parliament to regulate other shit.
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>>230481
>make nothing but vegetable soup with whatever vegetables are cheap that week
>wow so expensive

things such as soup and grains used to be the staple of the poor. because they are easy to make, and filling.

get some veggies, toss them into a pot of boiling water with some salt or mccornmic spices, and youve got a soup that is moderately nutritious and at least filling because it is mostly water.

then you buy a big can of oatmeal, and eat lots of oatmeal for breakfast, which is easy to make, and easy to diversify just by adding some sugar or some chopped fruit, or hell, you add some salt and more water and youve got oatmeal soup instead. a big can of oatmeal is like 2 or so bucks at walmart, and can last you a while.

costs of veggies varies, for sure, but theres always SOMETHING you can get cheaper depending on the day/season.

that said, if you are relying on 3 bucks a week, then beggars cant be choosers, and you get the US Aid box of food from uncle sam that they are providing, which would provide you with food at no cost to you, while also saving you the expense of going to the store yourself.

Mind you, unless you are literally flat broke and homeless, very few people in the US are living on 3 bucks a week. Even with mcdonalds you cant live on 3 bucks a week. Most people on food stamps are at LEAST making minimum wage or only slightly below, or receive some sort of disability check, the average being somewhere about 1900 a month or so. And then most people on disability have some sort of part time job. and even JUST on dsisability, if we assume something like $1900, that's still $271 a week, and you can definitely eat healthy on that, even if you stick to veggie soup and oatmeal.
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>>231916
>Isn't this just a tad too communist?
then liberals should have no problem with it
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>>232110
I wish they still were stamps. I want it to blatantly obvious that the person on assistance cannot afford to take care of their basic needs to everyone around them.
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>>231897
>>231975

>what is holodomor.

what were the Russian famines of 1866–68, of 1891–92?

heck what was the Irish Famine in the mid 19th century in a power that was basically embracing classical liberal principles?

I think a better description of the communist-system for supplying bread to everyone would be

>"ensuring bread to all law-abiding(not criminal traitor))) citizens".
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I thought the point was to teach people to cook food for themselves.
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>>229783
How much is on that fucking EBT card? $10,000?
t. upper middle class prep who still had to use a nokia in high school
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>>229916
Monsanto already has taxpayer money.
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>>232358
>heck what was the Irish Famine in the mid 19th century in a power that was basically embracing classical liberal principles?
That was entirely racial. Britbongs fucking hated Irish and wanted nothing to do with them.
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Can someone explain the reasoning behind this foodstamps rule for me:

- if you're a full-time student, you have to work at least 20 hours to receive foodstamps; if you work 19.9 hours a week and take classes, you get nothing
- if you're not a student and not employed, full-on parasite NEET, you get the maximum amount every month

in what world does this provide the correct incentives?
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>>232428
They're given out based on need. But if you're not working at all they'll cut you off way sooner than they do with the people working.
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>>229704
There is literally nothing wrong with issuing the poor a premade basket of canned foods

I have no idea if SNAP is actually abused though
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>>232612
>There is literally nothing wrong with issuing the poor a premade basket of canned foods

Except they're just making the whole system less efficient
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>>232428
>democrats want poor people to stay poor.
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>btw if you have food allergies. Deal with it




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