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http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-have-to-pee-into-bottles-2018-4
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Why not. It saves a lot of time.
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>>245888
trips. and you'd be surprised how many refinery workers do this. even office personnel (because it the office doesn't have a restroom, they are either located about a block or two away).
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>>245888
> 88
Hiel Hitler to you too

> didn't time toilet breaks
Bullshit. Amazon times your activity in Real Time. Every time you scan a bar code, Big Brother records the time and location.

I worked for the Big A for 4 years. I can confirm that you did not eat or drink on shift if you wanted to keep your job. You used your "lunch" break to use the bathroom.

Of course the PR lawyers aren't aware of the conditions in the warehouse. They're half a world away in Seattle, kissing King Bezos' ass in air conditioned royalty.
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>>245888

But I bet you half the faggots working for Amazon would insist they don't need unions.
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>>245888
Truckers have been doing that for literal decades and nobody has ever said a damn word about it
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>>245888
If I worked for Amazon I'd add the pee bottles to the packages as extra padding
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How do women pee in bottles?

asking for a friend haha
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>>245930
Generally it’s easier for them to use a cup instead. Bottle is possible, but you either have to know exactly where your urethra is at or use a funnel.
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> forced to piss in a bottle like a homeless crack addict
> “I’m OK with this!”

All these bootlickers in this thread…
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>>245930
>How do women pee in bottles?

http://www.breakyourpiggybank.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/go-girl-female-urination-device.jpg
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>>245906
No union would dare stand against King Bezos. No union would be stupid enough to try.

You don't like working for Amazon? Walk. Less work done by you means more pay for me. Amazon is like McDonald's or Walmart. It's unskilled labor for us losers in life.
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>>245888
>>245906
>>245955
Maybe those of you calling for workers' rights/unions at Amazon should actually *ask* workers at Amazon if they're treated badly compared to other employers. The reviews I've seen from warehouse workers have been pretty much that it's hard work but not tedious and for great pay.

A lot of outrage in these articles comes from people who want to feel bad on behalf of workers who would rather you stay out of a good deal. For example, most workers would rather not be breaking their backs on the heavy loads or mindlessly taping the millions of boxes that the robots are doing for them -- they'd rather do the more complex dexterous tasks and are thankful for robots.
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>>245955
>McDonald's or Walmart
But didn't both started seeing losses for a time due to their bad image?
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>>245916
Way of the road, Ricky. Way of the way.
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>>245947
Where do you think you are?
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>>245961
I can say that when you get hired at a walmart DC, you have to watch a 1-2 hour video basically brainwashing you against unions.
A literal quote from the video is "Walmart employees don't WANT a union. Our open door policy prevents the need for it. " the open door thing is bullshit.
I do enjoy my job though, RSR lift driver, aka pallet relocation specialist, aka pick shit up and put it down.
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>>245961
Most of the people I've known who worked for Amazon said it was fucking brutal and cut-throat, and the pay was shit, but not as shit as fast food. They all worked for a month, then fucking quit because it wasn't worth the extra 1$/hour compared to walmart or mcdonalds.
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>>245888
not surprising.. as a construction worker I have done the same.. typically I just go piss on the side of the building though.
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>>245984
sounds like you know a lot of lazy complacent piles of shit.

>>245977
not really that surprising.

>>245888
anyone else question the timing of these articles? bezos breaks $100B to become the worlds richest, tons of articles start popping up to claim he treats employees like shit ect. Also its an article from business insider.. whos the guy who just shorted amazon?
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>>246010
please bezos, you don't need to shitpost on /news/ to inflate your ego.
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>>246009
Isn't this what people would call male privilege? You should really consider your female co workers
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>>246024
I am so sorry that you couldnt be born with a penis, but since you are here... tits or gtfo?
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>>246029
This is a text only board expect op
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>>246029
( o Y o )
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>>245961
So all that means they can't even be given time to take a fucking piss? Are you serious?

I don't think it's an excessive thing to ask that you be given a fucking break once in awhile so you don't have to piss in bottles or wear a fucking diaper. Automation should mean there is plenty of time to have such luxuries, why should people be working to the point where they can't take a leak? I used to work in a factory (not Amazon) and I had time to go to the bathroom and had my legal 30 minute break.

Or does more automation mean people actually have to work even harder to the point where they can't even use a bathroom? Because that sounds like less progress, not more. There are plenty of demanding jobs that don't ask you to piss in a bottle because you can't get 5 minutes to use the bathroom.
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>>246045
Automation doing enough for civilization to not work already happened at least back in the 50s. Everything else has just been gross excess that a very few hoard but tell the majority to blame niggers spics and poorfags.
As such, we'll reach a point where lunch breaks will be "removed" too, and so will going home instead of the cops in the break room. Maybe just stop getting paid since you already have boarding, maybe only count as 2/3 of a person... Hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.
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>>245906
>American Unions
>caring about American workers
If you're working shitty entry level jobs the last thing you want is to be giving money to a group of people who then use your money to shill for politicians who are actively trying to import foreigners who'll undercut your wages or worse, take your job because they're willing to work for pennies.
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>>245961

Amazon is very strict with their time. Your average worker is so used to spending their whole day in the bathroom on Facebook that they think any job that makes them do work is violating labor laws
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>>246051
>cops
*cots
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>>246059
Except unions would be preventing just that. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
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>>246070
this. warehouse jobs are no joke. You better be a fucking beast if you expect to do well there. They can train people in 1 day probably. No incentive to coddle their workers. I worked at a walmart dc and I was loading trucks up day 1 and climbing up catwalks and conveyors clearing jams by day 3.

I have a job now where it takes 1 month or more to train a worker up, and guess what- sure you can go to he fucking bathroom. because if they quit it fucking blows for us.
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>>245961
Eurofag here, I have literally never heard of workers not allowed to take piss breaks until now
Sounds like shit treatment to me
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>>246059
that's exactly what unions work again you dipshit.
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>>246234
Don't worry, it's fucking weird even by US workaholic standards.
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>>246250
Sure it's weird, but that doesn't mean much.
It's weird to chug sugar day in and day out, yet you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't.
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>>246251
You should have read the post as "Your belief that it's shit treatment is understood; this is atypical in American culture."

It won't go away though. Working at Amazon is a sweet gig for a retard, and we have enough retards to fuel their workforce even with the high churn. They probably piss in bottles anyway so the transition is easy.
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>>246257
No I read it correctly, you're simply wrong.
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Re: >>246250 : "hard to find someone who doesnt chug sugar all day"
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Many fewer of em in Philly after their tax on sugary foods.
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>>246264
Don't those usually stabilize back to pre-tax numbers? Admittedly I don't know anything about Philly, but that's what seems to happen elsewhere.
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@ >>245906 : "...no union would dare go vs Bezos."
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you call yourself a loser and your into defeatism. Your best chance @ winning:
"Get informd, get organizd, get tough" -- Saul Alinsky, my mentor. google
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@ 246272 : Re Philly sugar tax.
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I duno ab tax #s, my point is tax is working to signif lessen sugar intake @ HUGE savings in health care costs: ovr wt, obesity, diabetes, leg joint replace, fatty liver damage...
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>>246288
And my point was those "savings" are typically short term effects and people fall back to their bad habits in spite of any tax.
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>>245888
I love how liberals are so on Bezos' dick just because Trump had the shocking idea that maybe Amazon shouldn't be allowed to skirt around tax laws and play by the rules.
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>>246038
>having this limited thinking
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>>246024
Why? They are just as welcome to unzip and let loose as much as the guys are. Equal treatment and all that. Or is it because they are worried about being raped or something?
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>>245964
just waiting for my piss jug in the mail
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>>246299
I thought that made him smart? Or is that only when trump does it.
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>>245888
I pee in bottles at home... I hate walking to the bathroom sometimes.
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>>246093
>>246247
>unions prevent that
>by funding open borders/pro-illegals Democrats
really makes you think
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>>246404
Sources?
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>>245955
>No union would dare stand against King Bezos
Not sure about the US but here in Europe there are constant strikes against amazon and they are partly successful so far.
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>>245888
I've pissed in worse working in construction.

That said, I got paid a lot fucking more in construction than you do in retail or warehousing.
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>>245906
Unions won't do anything. I live in Australia, a place which has as one of it's two major parties a party which was literally formed out of Unions, had probably the strongest union representation in the western world, and our unions basically don't give two fucking shits about workers - just about padding their coffers for fucking retarded social justice campaigns (what's that? our average wage has decreased and you've lost holidays and penalty rates? BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CAMPAIGN WE RAN FOR TRANSGENDER ACCEPTANCE PROGRAMS IN SCHOOLS AND ALL THOSE POSTERS WE MADE PROMOTING MASS MIGRATION OF CHEAP BROWN LABOUR!?).

I can't imagine America would be capable of mustering any sort of real union efforts.

Hell - when I worked in retail, our union rep (a person who told us working for a union fresh out of university was a really "fun and easy" way to gain work experience and that it paid really well considering how "easy" it was) made it clear that workers with no trade skills had to accept that any offer by companies to retain your employment was as generous as it could get.
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>>246045
It's always an up down - I know guys who used to use up about 45 minutes to an hour of their shift on bathroom breaks. Just go in there and browse the net on their phones. That's why they started telling people to tell supervisors when they were going to piss or shit, which is kind of fucked up, but basically a result of other assholes abusing the system.
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>>246093
Not him, but in Ausfailia that's PRECISELY what they do.

It's hilarious - our Unions started the white Australia policy, a racist policy specifically designed to reduce the number of non-unionized workers in the country.

...And two years ago they spent millions to promote the use of fucking McDonald's and KFC being allowed to fly in Asians to work below minimum wage because of "staff shortages" (when it was shown they were simply not hiring locals, it was explained that there was a shortage of staff willing to work for less than the legal minimum wage kek).

I don't know about the U.S., but all these changes started in the early 80's as the Labor parties and unions became dominated by the children of working class unionists who had been the first wave of working class kids to get university educations in the 1960's.

There was an interesting article by one of these kids (who went on to be one of Australia's most respected literary authors) only a few days ago where he said that his entire generation had "pulled the ladder up behind them" - their parents had fought long and hard to get workers rights and free (or extremely cheap education) and then his generation had promptly turned around and embraced """""liberalism""""" and done away with all of that, because we're all "individuals" now.
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>>246234
Europe, even the U.K. (which is worse than most of the rest of Northern Europe) is still miles better than Australia (which has spent 20 years under a heavy propaganda campaign from both the left and the right to "embrace" our "Asianess"), which is still miles better than the U.S....and banning piss breaks is a thing here (though not official - but you'll find yourself getting fucked over hard for "abusing" it)
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>>245903
but if you're not eating or drinking, would you really need to use the bathroom?
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>>246410
Majority of Democrat's donor base is Unions.

>Post Workers Union
>Ironworkers Union
>United Steelworkers
>National Assosiation Of Letter Carriers
>Sheet Metal Workers Union

Etc etc etc.

Up until recently, the vasty majority of Democrat financing came from Unions, but in recent years they have received huge investments from Bloomberg, Microsoft, Alphabet (google), Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.

Most of them still contribute large amounts to the Republicans to, but more to the Democrats. Except Bloomberg and Newsweb, which give all their cash to the Democrats.
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>>245947
>> forced to piss in a bottle like a homeless crack addict
>> “I’m OK with this!”
>All these bootlickers in this thread…

What about the part where if they actually are not okay with their job then they can quit?
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>>246434
>I don't know how biology works
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>>246404
Those aren't even related, go jump off a bridge.
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>>246432
That sounds less about unions and more about shitty politics. We already have those issues and we're doing it without unions, so obviously unions aren't the reason for that.
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>>246445
that's assuming they can find a new job to support themselves
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>>246445
I can't speak for all of them, but typically those working manual jobs can't afford time off, I would guess a week? to find another job.
Even white collar jobbers tell you to get offers in writing before making any hints to the current employer, since they can't afford lapses in pay either.
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>>246234
It sounds like a single warehouse manager -- but probably a fuckup from above with peverse incentives, bad managerial cultures (" your workers are peons") and poor training of managers.

>>246045
That's fair. I'm just saying there's got to be a balance between those labor-advocate-sjws who think easier labor is always better (the easier the labor, the suckier, imho -- in manual labor challenge and hard work seems to make the day go faster and your sense of pride better as long as pay as good and health and safety is maintained) versus exploitative managers who are only motivated by short-term pen-and-paper bottom lines, where time-quantized bathroom breaks are seen as negatives on a balance sheet (where employee satisfaction, motivation, health, etc cannot always be measured in numbers, or given to higher-ups in monthly reports).

But the latter is shit they figured out in the early 20th century when industrial management was first formalized, and assembly-line foremen realized that shit like worker satisfaction actually mattered to production. It seems a lot of people who get into management positions these days never even view a crunch first lecture of a management 101 course, which then would be the fault of the company execs.
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>>246613
>But the latter is shit they figured out in the early 20th century when industrial management was first formalized, and assembly-line foremen realized that shit like worker satisfaction actually mattered to production.
I think that this is actually less true for Amazon because the usual reason that motivation matters is that unmotivated workers shirk and motivated workers put in the extra mile.

But the Amazon warehouse has everything monitored to a T: everyone's location, speed, backlog, is all tracked down to the second by scanners and microchips. So unmotivated workers CAN'T shirk, because the moment they do it shows up like a red flag on the panopticon, and motivated workers can't really go the extra mile because Amazon is already forcing everyone to go at a human's maximum speed. It's technology squeezing every last drop of blood out of their workers.
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>Have a skill
>Go to school
or
>Learn a trade

There you go, three ways to get out of pissing in bottles. Honestly, I don't see why people keep these jobs. If someone told me to piss in a bottle and scolded me for eating, I'd tell them to kiss my ass and leave.
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>Pissing in bottles instead of wearing adult diapers
Why?
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>>246674
>Be born lucky
>Have money to support yourself when not working all day for years
or
>Have money to support yourself when not working all day for months
Golly, why don't people just stop working instead of affording food and water and shelter?
Great addition to the conversation.
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>>246279
>>246288
Holy shit Reddit go and stay go
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>>246711
Leakage, infection, and rashes. If you don’t have the time to go to a toilet, you don’t have time to change a diaper regularly. Even people in nursing homes get those things checked/changed every few hours.
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>>246756
im a Reddit n imma find u and kill u
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>>246619
>the usual reason that motivation matters is ... the extra mile.
Not at all -- this is a fundamental misconception of an amateur manager. Motivation has a statistical impact where even a little bit of weariness, a little bit of hesitation, a little bit of corruption, can destroy millions of dollars for a large company. Also, in an environment where lots of workers are in contact with each other, both negative and positive motivation (or energeticness if you want) can be infectious, and a few bad apples can destroy a factory a la the broken windows theory.

It's not about measurable extra hours -- it's about that extra smile, that extra muscle power that helps lift a 30lb box the proper way without getting injured, the extra motivation to come into work the next day, and to respect your manager as a person enough to call ahead well in advance if you have to miss work. This small shit adds up to tens of thousands of dollars per year in a single small factory. Genuine staff smiles add up to tens of thousands per year for a restaurant.

So unless you're in a factory where workers are literally disposable -- new ones can come in without training and you have zero liability for their health care -- a manager absolutely should be fired/demoted/sent to school if they try something that trims a margin by treating them like peons.
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>>246452
>being unable to force your employer into making working conditions better is not related to Pedro being willing to work for $2/hour and piss in a bottle and being allowed to do so because the faggots your paying to represent your cause to your employer are giving your money to politicians who are unwilling to keep Pedro out, or deporting him when they find him
Really activates the almonds
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>>246921
>So unless you're in a factory where workers are literally disposable
I'm pretty sure Amazon is one of these companies.
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These jobs are the ones where humans are competing against robots for a wage, meaning in order to keep your job you have to pretend to be a robot as best you can - stupid things like biological functions, psychological and emotional fulfillment and basic human decency go straight out of the window for minor improvements in efficiency.

Don't fret too much though because eventually the investment to reward ratio for full automation will reach a point where summary shitcanning of these impoverished bottle-pissing peons will be a completely acceptable alternative to providing remotely bearable working conditions.
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>>246674

All of these options depend on one major caveat: that you have a modicum of stability in your living arrangements and can afford to delay an income or have the fortunate position of being able to earn enough in a part time position to cover your living expenses while learning or establishing your own business.

Many people unfortunately do not have the luxury of stability and in order to maintain the ability to stay financially solvent and housed will accept terrible working conditions in one of the few low skill, constantly hiring industries still going. The problem with this is that what should be a temporary situation to get out of a difficult position easily becomes effectively permanent when the poor wages mean that you're never really earning enough to save effectively and the shitty working environment grinds you down both physically and mentally to the point where you can't make rational life decisions for your future. These enormous corporate empires rely on exhausting and demoralising you to the point where you have no choice but to be compliant.
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>>246944
Except "Pedro" here is a heavy blue-haired chick, so the article you apparently didn't read proves you wrong.
But nah man, it's the niggers and spics, totally. Better get that wall!




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