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The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere just hit its highest level in 800,000 years and scientists predict deadly consequences.

http://www.businessinsider.com/carbon-dioxide-record-human-health-effects-2018-5

We have a pretty good idea of what Earth's atmosphere has looked like for the past 800,000 years.

Humans like us —Homo sapiens—evolved only about 200,000 years ago, but ice-core records reveal intricate details of our planet's history from long before humans existed. By drilling more than3 kilometers deep into the ice sheets over Greenland and Antarctica, scientists can see how temperature and atmospheric carbon-dioxide levels have changed since then.

From that record, we know the atmosphere and the air that we breathe has never had as much carbon dioxide in it as it does today.

For the first time in recorded history, the average monthly level of CO2 in the atmosphere exceeded 410 parts per million in April,according to observations at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii.

Breathing the air of a new world

For the 800,000 years for which we have records, average global CO2 levels fluctuated between about 170 ppm and 280 ppm. Once humans started to burn fossil fuels in the industrial era, things changed rapidly.

Only in the industrial era has the number risen above 300 ppm. The concentration first crept above400 ppm in 2013, and it continues to climb.

There's a debate among scientists about the last time CO2 levels were this high. It might have been during the Pliocene era, 2 million to 4.6 million years ago, whensea levels were 60 to 80 feet higherthan today. Or it may have beenin the Miocene, 10 million to 14 million years ago, when seas were more than 100 feet higher than now.

In our 800,000-year record, ittook about 1,000 yearsfor CO2 levels to increase by 35 ppm. We're currently averaging an increase of more than 2 ppm a year, meaning we could hit an average of 500 ppm within the next 45 years.

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>>250918
Humans have never had to breathe air like this. And it does not seem to be good for us.

Other research has raised even more concerns. The average CO2 level doesn't represent the air most of us breathe. Cities tend to have far more CO2 than average — and those levels rise even higher indoors. Some research indicates that itmay have a negative effect on human cognitionand decision-making.

Drowning in CO2

The human-health effects of CO2 increases are just one part of the bigger story here.

The change we've seen in CO2 levels recently has been much more rapid than the historical trends. Some experts think we're ontrack to hit 550 ppmby the end of the century, which would cause average global temperatures to rise by 6 degrees Celsius. For context, the increase in superstorms, rising sea levels, and spreading tick-borne disease that we're already seeing comes after a0.9-degree rise.

Data from Parrenin et al., 2013; Snyder et al., 2016; Bereiter et al., 2015.
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we need a full stop.
becuase if we chugging along like this
we gonna get a full stop
and we wont start up again.

i wonder how much exploding bombs and missiles contribute to the CO2 levels?
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More climate shill alarmism.
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>>250918

The Chinese must be stopped.
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>>250935
My thoughts exactly, India too. More public transport in burgerland will also help.
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>>250935
>>250946
They're building NPPs at least, unlike the West which is pushing "renewables" and unicorn farts.
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I'm just hoping that life on Earth operates on completely different principles that what we know and there is some kind of regulatory mechanism that will help up get through this phase of evolution. For all we know the Moon could be a device for maintaining life on Earth and we could be freaking out over nothing. Of course we should be moving to sustainable energy, but realistically that isn't going to happen fast enough unless there is outside help.
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>>250918
Fuck off psedo-science alarmist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxD7T1yU-w
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>>250918
>.businessinsider.com
what a trash website.
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>>250970
>For all we know the Moon could be a device for maintaining life on Earth and we could be freaking out over nothing

All that we do know says that the moon is a lifeless hunk of stone that does not have magical power to save us from the consequences of our bad decisions. Aliens aren't going to swoop in and save us, anon.
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>>250961
Offshore wind can power a city if we can get the fucking rich spoiled brats in Cape Cod and Key West to not mount $multimillion legal campaigns about how their view of flat water over 30 degrees of arc will be obstructed (never mind that oil platforms already obstruct said view).

Large-scale solar farms are still not carbon-neutral yet in the terms of construction and maintenance, but getting individual houses and especially large companies and buildings to mount solar panels and weatherize their roofs has enormous energy returns in both the short and long term.

Plans for 100% renewable without nuclear exist, but almost all rely on new tech (or rather development & improvement of existing tech & proven concepts) and are realistically extremely long term just in terms of the time needed to build all the hardware needed. All serious climate-environmentalists say that the medium term requires renewed investment in nuclear in the US, EU, and BRIC, yet only a few of the countries have made such commitments.

And of course none of this would be possible without continued investment from government into R&D.
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>>250970
The regulatory mechanism is that most or all of life perishes and may or may not start again. If it does recover, you can probably expect a better form of humans than what we've got this time around. The planet is just one organism, and it will regulate the fuck out of itself until it dies completely.
But yes, this time around, we blew it. Hurr durr, human be smart. Human dominate.
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>>251066
Why go through all the fucking hassle of getting unreliables to work when you can deploy already proven tech?
Let me give an analogy:
Suppose we now stop using rocket propulsion to get into space and instead try to use massive fucking slingshots, I mean, it wouldn't be too hard to send small sats this way, but is it a good idea when we've got much better tech?
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Why don't we just compress all the carbon dioxide and then burn it so that it turns back into carbon and oxygen
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>>250918
>observations at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii.
which erupted last fucking week
peak CO2 concentration, no fucking shit
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>>251089
/thread
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>>251087
Don't work that way, we can remove and condence but separating is a no joy unless some new tech comes up like Homeworld tier atom recombination or the like.
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>>251089
bingo
seems obvious actually, im surprised noone made the connection
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>>250918
Cool. Wake me when you finally get around to killing off everyone who can't be taught calculus. Because that's the only way to stop it.
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>>251066
>if we can get the fucking rich spoiled brats in Cape Cod and Key West to not mount $multimillion legal campaigns about how their view of flat water
Dont forget the other multimillion legal campain that will argue those windfarms are being built too close to a rare sea snail bed and may cost the lives of tens of sea cucumbers.
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>>251089
>>251091
>>251100
Climateshill btfo yet again
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>>251041
Yeah but we never properly investigated or know everything about the moon now did we? That's what the man was saying.
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>>251041
>Aliens aren't going to swoop in and save us
another baseless claim made by a climate shill.
you haven't a single shred of scientific evidence which proves your claim and thus you are simply shilling for climate alarmism
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So you mean the grass and food and trees will be kusher, taller and more vibrant. Co2 is fertilizer. The ocean will absorb most of it.

Volcanoes have been spewing much more co2 than we have for far longer than we have been here. It's the carbon Cycle. Learn about it before get caught up in that stupid hucksterism of man made climate change.
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>>251132
Except they recorded the same number last year, stupid.
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>>251139
show me the proofs, you walking argument for birth control
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>>251137
Oh look another senile oldster who thinks a single big scary volcano craps out more co2 than the billion+ cars running every day of the year
, plus several other dozen sources
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>>251137
Yes the ocean will, which will then be followed by most sea life getting poisoned. And most forests that can absorb co2 are getting mowed down to make room for more dipshit humans
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>>251142
librul kuck
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>>250961

The Chinese lie about everything.

Fuck off shill.

>>250946

I really hope Trump will do something to improve the shitty infrastructure of Burgerland.
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>>251140
Stop being a dumb cunt and learn to use Google you inbred redneck
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html
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>>251151
CO2 is in the air. It gets absorbed into the ocean, as stated by deniers above. It occasionally synthesizes into carbonic acid. Mass amounts of carbonic acid are altering the PH balance of the ocean surface. Maybe multiple species of plankton fail to survive in the more acidic waters. Then a huge amount of autotrophic biomass fails to form. Much of the ocean starves without it's food chain foundation.
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>>251139 >>251157
well then the title should read
>Atmospheric CO2 Levels Breaks 410 ppm. Highest since last year.
and suddenly it's back to not being news
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I thought trees and plants love that shit
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>>251197
If you'd kept reading past the title, you might have picked up on this:
>For the first time in recorded history, the average monthly level of CO2 in the atmosphere exceeded 410 parts per million in April

Now run along and stop wasting bandwidth
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>>251081
>Suppose we now stop using rocket propulsion to get into space and instead try to use massive fucking slingshots
L-o-fucking-l
This slingshot would have to propel an object at several times the escape Velocity of Earth. When you take into account wind resistance shooting something upwards witha single impulse of force requires absolutely massive energy and velocities to be obtained
Besides the small number of rockets we shoot up into space are the tiniest fraction of our CO2 output.
We would be better off focusing on vehicles, industry and animal farming
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>>251092
If you heat carbon dioxide hot enough, it will separate into carbon and oxygen. But as with any process there is never 100% efficiency so more fossil fuels would be required to turn a unit of carbon dioxide into its constituents then was used to make it.
It could be done with other methods of energy though such as solar or wind
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>>251206
They don’t absorb enough to outpace how quickly the carbon is being produced. Also when plants die (which wildfires also facilitate) they release all the carbon again, it doesn’t just disappear. People really seem to get lost in the weeds on this issue but it boils down to “our current usage of pollution producing industry is unsustainable for life as it currently exists to continue existing”

The earth will not die, just everything we know and love will
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>>251215
>it doesn’t just disappear
I thought photosynthesis turned carbon into glucose and oxygen.
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>>251153
>building Russian and Western reactors
>lie
Pick one.

You can't really lie when you have evedince from not-so-friendly "business partners".
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>>251213
Do you understand what an analogy is?
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>>251214
Why not nuclear? It can provide ample energy for scrubbing and later sequestration/total breakdown on Carbon Dioxide.
All without releasing any pollutants.
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>>251224
“Nuclear” is triggering for burgerclaps and third world countries can’t into safety regulations so when accidents happen people die stupidly
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>>250918
>at the Mauna Loa Observstory in Hawaii
>Kilauea has been spewing out gasses for months leading up to its recent eruption
>OY VEY, OUR OBSERVATORIES JN HAWAII ARE DETECTING ELEVATED LEVELS OF ALL KINDS OF GASES, STOP THE CO2, MUH GLOBAL WEIRDING
Just another 'climate shills cherry pick readings to push their agenda' episode.
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>>251139
You realize active volcanoes spew out all kinds of gasses and tend to ramp up months, if not years before they finally erupt right?
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>>251235
>for burgerclaps
You mean leftist burgers, and pretty much leftists everywhere.
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>>251211
I wonder if the closely located erupting volcano has anything to do with a station in Hawaii picks up elevated CO2 levels...
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>>251239
Yes they are. Elevated CO2 readings from nearby volcanic eruptions are obvious on normally consistent data. Prevailing winds normally blow volcanic gases out to sea but when they don't anomalous data is edited out of the record
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Everyone in this thread is bitching but nobody is coming up with a solution
Proposal:
We junk all of the current fiat currency around the world... U.s. dollar, Chinese yen, British pound, Kazakhstan pubic hair, we just throw it all out and stop using it
We make the new Global Currency carbon dioxide.
It would start a new Gold Rush.
Not only would people be mining the air for excess carbon dioxide, but we could burn all the fossil fuels we wanted with added incentive to bottle up the emissions. You could not only earn money by selling fossil fuels but by using them as well driving, etc.
Airlines could give you a discount the father you got due to the elevated levels of co2 they could reclaim from your flight
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>>251235
New SMRs have passive safety systems, they literally cannot fail, they're basically designed to gracefully fail without any intervention (if shit hits the fan), not even the need for power and backup generators.
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>>251245
That's… fucking clever.
And inflation wouldn't be possible, because you'd need to pump HUGE HUGE HUGE amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.
The only case this could fail if volcanic activity goes nuts all over Earth, but then currency would be the least of our concerns.
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>>251251
It is until fossil fuels are burned in large centralized areas solely for co2 as it wouldn't be worth generating electricity or utilizing oil in vehicles. Granted it'll solve the co2 problem but drastically raise the price of fossile fuels and incentivize their waste. Maybe some powerplants will capture co2 but i guarantee there will be facilities dedicated to co2 creation. Sucking it out of the atmosphere would likely be unprofitable. You might as well just tax fossile fuels into oblivion. Itd be less capital intensive.

Plus id rather not be paid in a currency which is difficult to measure, store, divide and transport. This is not a clever idea. Its pretty retarded
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>>251245
>100 years later, CO2 level drops too low, kills all plant life
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>>251278
Headlines:
Mankind has never breathed so little co2
Oceans at all time low, bering straight emerges
Greedy capitalists who are hording carbon dioxide are killing the planet
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>>251253
>It is until fossil fuels are burned in large centralized areas solely for co2 as it wouldn't be worth generating electricity or utilizing oil in vehicles
This really solves all the problems though. Fossil fuels become extremely expensive as the wealthy are hoarding them to burn to create more money causing us to use other sources for the necessary energy will need.
We would have to turn towards solar, wind, or nuclear as fossil fuels would just be burned by the rich to get richer
After a couple hundred years when all the fossil fuels have been burned there's no no more way for them to get money and carbon dioxide would once again become worthless
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>>250918
10,000+ years ago there was 30% CO2 in the atmosphere. Today this precious resource has dwindled to near extinction.
Commercial airlines flying thousands of flights daily, with or without seats filled, burning petroleum jet fuel, can only produce so much CO, and CO2, and it may be too little to late, to replenish our carbon levels to where they once were.

The real resource hogs are the diamond industry. Diamonds are made of carbon, and it takes a lot to make a single carat. Boycotting diamonds may help.
Another offender is the beverage industry. Bottling up billions of gallons of carbonated water each year, starving the poor plants and algae that need CO2 to survive. boycott the eco-terrorist beer and soda bottling companies, and maybe our grass and trees will be greener and happier once again.
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>>251245
This is so retarded I kind of love it.
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>>250918
Oh no! Better give all of my money to Al Gore and Elon Musk.
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>>251066
Jesus Christ, just use nuclear you cuck
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It baffles me that people will still, in the face of quantifiable effects of climate change, sit there with their dicks in each others ears screaming about how "their science" says reality is wrong because they're either making too much money off the status quo or too stupid to accept what is sitting right in front of them.

The thing people don't get is, it doesn't matter what we do. Even if we stabilize the atmospheric makeup somehow, any number of cosmic lottery wins could wipe us out in a heartbeat just as easily as we can choke to death on our own smog. It's religious nuts, with this ineffable belief that this life here is just a moral pop quiz anyway before they get to go to "heaven" afterward, so why even bother saving the environment for our forebears? They'll all be with us and the angels and G*D when the extinction level event hits. Fuckin' "oil money" families would rather suck the planet dry and use it all up before we even talk about trying to change our ways, they wouldn't be trillionaires otherwise.

Is there any hope guys? Are we just going to drown in a sea of piss? Is it possible for saner heads to prevail?
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>>251245
It would also incentivize us to go to Mars and Venus, whose entire atmospheres are made up of the Carbony Gold.
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>>251408
How else would we get more internet if you don't give money to Al gore?
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>>250927
Probably not even a fraction of what 1 industrial center in China spills out.
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>>251245
This is... Actually pretty smart.
Carbon dioxide is most definitely a commodity. It is used to manufacture carbonated beverages. It can be used as raw material for diamond manufacture.
We would essentially go back to a comodity money.
I like it.
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>Atmospheric CO2 Levels Breaks 410 ppm. Highest in 800,000 Years.
This is great news. Finally the biosphere can start to regenerate and make the planet green again.
Ever since the ice ages started we have dangerously low to the lower CO2 limit. The point at which plants can no longer use it.
Several times we have been VERY close to shutting down completely and falling into a permanent ice age.
The hell plane of frozen earth. With ten miles thick ice shields everywhere totally wiping out all life.

But thanks to Exxon and Shell we can save the planet by simply using our motor vehicles to replenish the essential life giving CO2 trace component of the atmosphere.
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>>251480
What’s funny is that the Earth has been ball of ice before. Strange how we aren’t living on a frozen wasteland.
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>>251497
Yeah. That was stopped by massive CO2 release from giant volcanoes and catastrophic continent size lava floods.
There are simpler ways to get the CO2 up to safe levels.
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am I the only one that finds it amazing that the climateshills went back in time almost a million years to install co2 measuring equipment? that's some jurassic park shit
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>>251245
>not only would people be mining the air
Why would they not simply burn everything they could to get more CO2?

I don't want to rain on your parade anon, but it sounds like making water the currency, and then when you go swimming the people who own the lake would collect the water that sticks to you. Which is all well and good, except they have the entire lake right fucking there and you're unnecessary.
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>>251500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core#Palaeoatmospheric_sampling
here you go, faggot
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>>250929
>everybody who understands science is a "shill"!
>>250935
>>250946
India emits less than than US even though their population is several times ours. China emits more total but only because they have 5x more people, they emit less per capita.
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>>251525
>comparing a 3rd world country to post industrial america
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>>251527
>blaming your problems on a 3rd world country because you can't accept responsibility for your own actions
>memetext when somebody points out how full of shit you are
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>>251531
You do realize that India and china will produce much more CO2 when they develop in the next 50 years
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>>251508
I too base all of my policy decisions on estimates of chemical composition of ice blocks that I don't fully understand
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>>250918
We passed the carbon tipping point at the end of 2016. That was when it didn't matter if humans were eliminated from Earth. We are doomed, so no need to further listen to the gloom and doom crowd.
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I wish people could live long enough just to choke to death and slowly cook alive due to climate change but sadly the fuckers responsivle wont be alive to experience that. I guess thats why they dont care.
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>>250918
Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up!
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All we need is Molten salt reactors.
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>>251420
I don't believe it because the climate always changes. It's what it does. I live in the Uwharrie Mtns. The rocks and soil are made from ocean sediments. At one point this was an island with a tropical climate. Now it's a continent with a temperate climate. Because climates change. And that warming yall freak about? I worked outside since 1990. The 90's were much hotter than now. It took over 10 years to get back to average rain amounts. It has been noticibly cooling. The atmosphere needs at least 1 percent co2 for plants to thrive. we are in an ice age. A warm period during the age but in one nonetheless.
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And the fossil shills are preaching.
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>>251589
They might though, what with a "no return" point being reached every couple of months; Scientist still don't know what will happen for certain, the models are mostly conservative, but if we hit some kind of tipping point the climate could change very, very quickly.
The perpetrators don't care because they're still making money, those that full understand the implications of AGW probably think their wealth will insulate them somewhat - they're wrong about this. Sure poor people will get fucked hardest first but everyone will get theirs eventually.
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Our c02 levels are historically low and we need to bring them back up to regular levels so plants can thrive again and water is more abundant
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>>251664
>they're wrong about this.
No, they're not. The richest are way past their prime and will die before anything actually catastrophic will happen on the whole planet.

Until then (a few decades) they can just take a plane to a better place if shit hits the fan locally.
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>>251595
Look, yes, the climate is in a constant state of change, but, and please, god, try to understand this: your engine is in a constant state of change. If you took it to the shop literally on fire, and the mechanic said, "Look, engines get hot, it's perfectly natural," you'd look at him like he was retarded. Your 10% understanding of something insanely complex does not qualify you to utterly dismiss something that people who yes, are smarter than you, have solid evidence is occurring. The rate of change is too fast. The styles of change is too drastic. And you are literally, not figuratively, literally retarded to protest this.
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>>251670
Your analogy is shit. If my car was on fire I couldn't take it to the shop, but even if it wasn't, the engine being on fire isn't its natural state.
>the absolute state of climate cultists
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>>251674
the analogy sucks (blame xkcd or smth), the fact remains, if the levels of various gases and average temperature are not unheard of, the rate of change itself is unprecedented.
that got some shitting up their knickers for obvious reasons (Venus is a good reference point we'd like to avoid turning into).
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>>251689
Climatology is still in it's infancy. Our understanding beyond the last few hundred years of recorded history is suspect at best. This idea that Earth is going to turn into a tick-infested wasteland because we didn't invest into clean energy is almost entirely a conspiracy theory.
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>>251700
if you remove cash from the equation as much as possible, i think it boils down to "we're not too sure what's going to happen, but it could be pretty bad in an everybody dies way - do we try to work against that or not?"
the rest is mindless shilling and countershilling
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>>250918
Billionaires are just talking heads.
Remember the monorail this guy wanted to build and how it was scientifically impossible?
Anyway, human beings have never lived so long - tell me what's the issue?
Oh right you want to sell electric cars out of fear-mongering the public, great job Tesla.
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>>251710

No, the more rational would be "we're not sure what's going to happen, maybe nothing or maybe X, Y, or Z."

Then you prepare with the most economical and expedient solution.
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>>251213
A rocket continuously accelerates until it reaches the desired velocity or runs out of fuel. A slingshot or other such device would have to impart all the velocity before leaving the device meaning massive acceleration which would likely damage the satellite you are trying to put into orbit.
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So it’s our fault it’s been down. Took all this time for the Earth to begin to recover and edge back to 1000 lvls....wow
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>>250918
SO THIS WHAT AMERICA LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S GREAT!


Something I'd like to remind everyone of: Australia's star observatory, the southern hemisphere's ONLY asteroid and meteorite watch, closed due to budget cuts. Our ass is literally bare.

THANKS NEOLIBERALISM!
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>>251525
Climate alarmism isn't "Science".
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>>250927
>i wonder how much exploding bombs and missiles contribute to the CO2 levels?

they definitely poison the ground, the air and the water that humans consume.
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>>251089
it was the Keana Loa you moron
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>>251245
>>251251
>>251278
>>251383
>>251409
>>251423
>>251463


you people are seriously fucking stupid.
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>>251743
>remember the monorail this guy wanted to build?
Yeah. It was in the news last week. The test track will be open to the public in a few months.
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>>251245
why hasnt this been done yet? Are the central bank jews afraid of losing their control?
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>>251942
No, idiot, it was the kahlua penor
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>>251089
>Implying the scientists that work there are stupid or dishonest enough to forget that obvious bias


You're not THAT Smart
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>>251215
Why aren't we burying all that extra carbon into the earth? It worked for dinosaurs and should work for us.
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>>250929
this
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>>251989
we could do this, but not enough people are purchasing carbon credits to finance it
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>>250970
>For all we know the Moon could be a device for maintaining life on Earth
but it is
really doubt it has anything to do with atmospheric composition but it has a great impact on a whole bunch of things
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>>252051
Yes the moon maintains Earth ecosystem, Life is far more likely to abound on planets with moons

Tidal effects influence more then the oceans, but also the cores of planets, maintaining a nice and toasty molten interior, which in turn produces the magnetic shield that allows life to exist on this planet
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>>252053
It also stabilises precession, so the seasons are not wildly changing every century or so, which helps lifeforms adapt to stable environments.
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>>252053
>>252125

our big Moon is fantastic
it's because of tides that some fish get used to be trapped in shallow waters and eventually learned to "walk" around; all of us descended from that fish

thank you Moon
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>>252022
Could they make those credits in the form of shovels so it would be easier to dig?
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We're past the point where anything could be done.
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Fuck the atmosphere, I am moving to the Moon
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>>250918
is there any way the co2 can be collected and ejected from the atmosphere?
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>>252433
yes, when enough carbon credits have been purchased, this can be paid for
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>>252433
can't tell if stupid or underage
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>>252438
oh wow, sling shit at someone asking a question. No wonder the public doesn't much like scientists.
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>>252443
feel free to hate those you rely on daily for your survival, retard
we'll hate you back and replace you with robots asap
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if we compress co2 and heat it enough it will turn back into carbon and oxygen
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>>252452
But that will take more energy than we have, or at least would be willing to dedicate to such a measure. We'd be best to plant as many trees as possible, have vegetation on rooftops, and perhaps even try to genetically engineer a plant that fixes as much carbon as possible. Needless to say, we've gotten far beyond the point where we could get through this without technology, or at least human engagement in carbon reduction.
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>>252461
Technology won't help us, the only thing that will help us is giving up technology
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>>252462
You don't get it. Polar ice is already doomed if we don't develop a way to replenish or shade it. We can't just stop everything, because a mass extinction is already underway. We need to develop tech or GM organisms to fix the carbon and replenish polar and glacial ice.
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>>252433
Yes. Its called trees. Grow trees. Co2 is fertilizer.
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>>252662
That is a slight oversimplification but not wholly untrue.

Trees are growing faster and laying down stronger (depending on how you measure) wood than they were 100y ago. This is due to higher CO2 levels and higher ambient temperatures. Also the acidification of rain is a boon to most tree species in the long term (>10y) for growth. Trees are C3 plants and ~20-50% of all of their PS gains are lost to Photo-respiration due to what is still a low CO2 concentration for the PS pathway.
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instead of trying to slow industrialism, let it run rampant. technology will advance more quickly, we'll be better equipped to deal with rising CO2. in other words, we should let things get worse to give us the best chance of making them better later on
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>>252640
yes, i agree, more technology will fix this mess that technology got us into.
lets keep pumping those greenhouses gasses into the atmosphere until we figure out how to stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere
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>>251245
Plants need that shit you know retard?
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>>250918
Fake News. How can people read this and believe it for a second?
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If we really want to stop this stuff, let's just turn the carbon credit into a cryptocurrency, and we can get millions of people and even more gpus calculating the solution for us
We can create the carbon chain and we can all mine carboncoins.
Once we have enough carboncoins in existence we can use them to fund Research into the solution to global warming
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>>250918
This is a good thing. Children always rebel against their parents, which means our children will undo all the fighting we have done against racism, sexism, Transphobia, Islamophobia, Capitalism, etc. So we make sure they can't take over to fight us.
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>>251946
>hurrr nuclear is stoopid
>hurrr no one wans a nuklir plant near their town bill nye saays sooooo
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>>252898
But Windmills and Solar Power!
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>>250975
hmm so in one corner we have this youtube video and in the other we have
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

interdasting
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Yeah let breaks are panicking over a spike in carbon dioxide levels and of course it’s humans fault, not the fault of a massive volcanic eruption in Hawaii. What a fucking joke.
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>>252981
yeah peer reviewed climate scientists are the shills not oil and gas companies, what a fucking joke
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>>252982
>yeah peer reviewed climate scientists are the shills not oil and gas companies, what a fucking joke


It doesn't matter who the shill is. We have over 1 billion fucking people on this planet without electricity... They are going to use coal and anything else they can to get said electricity. They currently barely contribute to the CO2 levels. We are 100% fucked if we don't innovate our way out of this. No amount of regulation in the USA can stop global warming. The only way to actually stop global warming would be a war unlike anything we have ever seen before that slaughtered untold millions.
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>>252992
Or just a very lethal virus.
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>>252992
>>253005
or just let the mass starvation happen while chilling in a big bunker
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>>253006
>global warming makes bunker terrible at keeping chill
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>>252898
>>252918
>hurrr we can just toss the radioactive waste in the trash!
the reason nobody wants nuclear is because we don't have anywhere to put the waste.
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>>253052
the waste produced at the end of the cycle of re-use reactors is trivial

also you can just put it in the fucking desert senpai, there's this huge expanse of fucking nothing called like nevada, it's huge and empty.

nuclear waste disposal being a problem is a meme
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>>251674
>If my car was on fire I couldn't take it to the shop
but this is what you want to do with the planet
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>>251743
>Anyway, human beings have never lived so long - tell me what's the issue?
retards like you
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>>252981
>Yeah let breaks are panicking over a spike in carbon dioxide levels
maybe read the article next time
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>>253052
>the reason nobody wants nuclear is because we don't have anywhere to put the waste.
We literally just bury it just like we do with the rest of our trash
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>>250918
So in other news, after 800,000 years of historic co2 lows in the atmosphere the levels are finally returning to normal
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Yes. Man had lowered CO2 for almost 800,000 years. Earth has finally recovered to 410 on its way to normals of 1500.
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>>253129
Thank God.
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i have lived where i lived in over a decade. i had two devastating storms in under a year. never experienced before. my immediate thought was global warming
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>>253212
>thinking 10 years is anything representative regarding weather, much less climate
gtfo
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>>253128
>CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect because Sarah Palin told me so
>If the earth heats up, it's actually a good thing because Alex Jones told me so
>Cars and coal plants don't emit CO2 because Sean Hannity told me so
>The skyrocketing CO2 levels, melting icecaps, increasing global temperatures, rising sea levels, ocean acidification, mass extinctions, droughts, and storms are all perfectly normal, since it was like that hundreds of thousands of years ago. Since co2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect, and since we're not emitting any co2, no causal connection can be drawn. I know because some genius on 4chan told me
Liberals need to fucking learn to think for themselves.
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>>251081
Obviously, if we slaughtered all the animals and then became vegan, we'd have a much better chance of success. Just sayin'.
>>251142
For cattle. Cows in particular, which incidentally consume all of our water, crops and emit much stronger greenhouse gases than just CO2. I also know that the gulf of Oman is a deadzone thanks to fertilizer leaking with water in massive quantities a few months a year.
>>251136
I believe the OP has the answers you seek. Don't worry, ignoring the truth right in front of you is not unlike humans. It is what keeps a criminal from feeling guilty and a King from stressing out too much from the weight of the world on his shoulders. Anyway, why wouldn't you want to be 'safe rather than sorry'?
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>>251216
Sadly, trees are just CO2 bound into a solid. Strangely, the more CO2 there is in an atmosphere, the less oxygen a plant will produce(only relevant in very high CO2 environments, like greenhouses). Also, plants actually release CO2 at different times of day, which I vaguely recall is when night time hits. I came across this when finding out how many plants it takes to keep one person breathing in space. Nothing is ever simple, sadly.
>>251236
>the numbers are wrong despite scientific review, and I won't give you the "real" number because I don't even know it, but it can't be this because muh argument.
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>>250975
You are a retard,
since you didn't get what the video is about: not about science denial, but about hypocricy.

The beautiful thing is that SyeTen pinned the most important comment, while explaining that he actually doesn't deny climate change.

"but I kinda decided to leave it to everyone watching to figure out that we have a collective impact on the environment." ~ SyeTen

Now kys you cancerous brainlet.
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>>251500
You must be a climateshill trying to score an own-goal for the other side! Good work! Troll.
>>251527
Ridiculous. Everything is made in China.
>>251533
Possible, but I think it is unlikely unless you are talking about animal husbandry. China has their 10 year plans and the rest of the world has their 2 year plans. They are authoritarian, dictatorial and driven. India though... I don't know enough about that subject, but they want solar power badly I've heard. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-beachy/the-wto-just-ruled-agains_b_9307884.html
>>251588
You speak as if technology freezes and delay is impossible. Neither is correct. We will all die, so let's become cannibals, we are doomed anyway? Ridiculous.
>>251595
Anecdotal. 1 percent co2 causes us to be drowsy.
>>251935
So if I hypothesize something, it isn't science? If I find evidence to support my hypothesis, it's not science? Look at the evidence, from both sides.
>>252662
>>252671
This seems better, though: https://hyperallergic.com/388340/a-moss-wall-with-the-pollution-eating-power-of-275-trees/
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But its cold outside.
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>>253315
>plants actually release CO2 at different times of day, which I vaguely recall is when night time hits.
it's called breathing
it's a thing plants do, when there's no light to use photosynthesis
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>>253399
Can CO2 be circulated to colder regions during winter to keep warmer places cool and cooler place warms? Is it possible to eject CO2 out into the atmosphere?
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>>253495
>Is it possible to eject CO2 out into the atmosphere?
hahahahahahahaha
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>>251081
>Suppose we now stop using rocket propulsion to get into space and instead try to use massive fucking slingshots,

Shit comparison.
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The right and left are never going to agree on climate change. Talking about it is basically pointless. The facts are that fossil fuels are finite, the us gets its oil from the middle east, and the rest of the world is moving toward renewable energy. We need to invest in the technology if the future, or we'll be left in the past
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live fast and die young amirite cuckservatives?
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>>253287
>ocean acidification

debunked

http://notrickszone.com/2018/05/24/3-more-new-papers-expose-the-folly-of-ocean-acidification-claims/
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>>254523
The strongest approximation to a point in there is that it's actually uptake of CO2 that's killing everything, not necessarily the acidification itself, which while neat doesn't actually change any analysis that people care about.
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>>254523
>debunked
LOL

The author of your blog post uses and in at least one case, deliberately misquotes cherry picked lines from a handful of articles which show his predetermined PoV.

For example, the out of context McElhany quote at the beginning of that blog post apparently suggesting OA is harmless/nonexistent/a lie is preceded in the actual article by this sentence:
"Although it is necessary to approach claims of “ocean calamity” with scepticism (Duarte et al., 2015), there is substantial evidence that OA poses a threat to many marine ecosystems (e.g. see Hoegh-Guldberg et al., 2014)."

Which the author of that shitty blog deliberately chose not to include in order to mislead you about the actual conclusions of that paper.

Don't trust pseudo science blogs sponsored by oil companies anon
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>>254247
>The right and left are never going to agree on climate change
In the vast majority of countries the left-right disagreement on AGW is only on how to manage it. In the US though, the corruption of republicans by fossil fuel political donations means that they adopt the view of their generous political donors and don't agree AGW is happening at all. Never forget that your corrupted and broken political system in the US means that it is an outlier in the debate over AGW and therefore political opinions on a scientific issue should be taken with a grain of salt.
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>>254550
If liberals here in the U.S. would approach this as pro renewable energy instead of trying to argue about climate change, we could still get where we need to be
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>>250918
why do co2 fags act as though volcanoes dont exist

a damn fine conspiracy i tell you what
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Blah blah the only thing that's going to happen is a bunch of third world peasants are going to die in various ways. The first world nations will get a little warmer but we'll have the technology to get through things fine.

No, nothing is going to be done to prevent said third world deaths because fixing climate change requires tremendous sacrifices that nobody is willing to make.
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>>255375
You don't really 'get' global climate do you?
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>>255400
You're more than allowed to tip the scales off my eyes, faggot.
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>>255528
i'd imagine poor people will die pretty much everywhere m8, not just in the third world or middle east; being a citizen of a "wealthy" industrialized nation won't necessarily insulate you from extreme weather events, famine, or the global instability that is pretty much guaranteed if the climate changes.
sure, being wealthy will buy you a degree of safety - how wealthy are you though ?
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>>250935
t. Schlomo Shill
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>>251245
Did you not attend basic science class in high school?
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After reading some comments on this shit thread I am convinced that Americans needs to be genocided
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The question is whether or not people should be forced to comply with anti-carbon-dioxide policies, such as compulsory use of renewable energy.

The answer is clearly a 'no' if you believe coercion is wrong.
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>>255962
Most of the entire planet runs on coercion, they're called "laws", don't know if you've ever heard about them
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>>255962
yeah there should also shouldn't be laws against pouring mercury into bays

that's violence
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This is BS. The oceans are the primary emitter of CO2 (I know, Scientists say different...) , so the "base Line" measurement in kilauea volcano (Very active volcano... Emmiting CO2 btw...) if BS. The base line should be measured maybe in Siberia, or some VERY LAND LOCKED AREA. IMHO
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>>251370
You sure the lifeforms could survive such a drastical drop in atmospheric co2 in just a few thousand years? And actually bottled water brings co2 into the atmosphere to begin with because it wouldn't come through all sediments by it self
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410 is a good level but we should try to get it to at least 800.

Plants will grow like mad and this planet will go green like you cant imagine. Even the deserts will be full of life.
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>>257176
R u a plant?
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>>257182
What a silly thing to ask. Of course I'm not a plant.
Plants can't even use computers.
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>>257176
you would need habitats for plants for that lmao. maybe cut down cities with people in them so we can plant some trees and shit? then sell and use the remains of people to make goods to sell and houses to live in.
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>>258340
shit, he is a plant.

HIDE PLANT POSTS.

REPORT PLANT POSTERS.

DO NOT REPLY TO PLANT POSTERS.
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>>258343
>goyims know, shut it down
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>>257176
>Even the deserts will be full of life.
probably true, as the heat drives further evaporation and rain storms even the desert should become teeming with life.
800 minimum for a safe earth.
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>>256212
>The oceans are the primary emitter of CO2 (I know, Scientists say different...)
If you admit in your first sentence with content that people more qualified than you say differently on the subject then why should I listen to a word you say?
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Why are climate shills still spamming?
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>>258364
You mean climate denying Koch shills, blindly dedicated cuck supporters of corporate interests ? Prolly some meme based thing or MAGA bullshit or something...
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What utter BS, Climate Change is a dead issue.
During the Carter Administration the scare du'jour was Global Cooling! When that proved false the Chicken Littles seized on Global Warming! When it was inconveniently not true, Lib-tards went for Climate Change! But the public is on to these clowns, and today only the gullible still fall for these Democrat games. The West must cripple itself economically so we can try to meet temperature targets = Paris Accord.
Just all part of a wealth distribution scheme, meanwhile China, India, etc. get on with building super efficient coal power plants.

Does anon know what plants breathe?
It is something called CO2, yup the dreaded carbon dioxide. They love that stuff and convert it to O2, oxygen for us mammals.

It is a good deal, liberals should sit down, pipe down, and do something more productive with their lives than this BS.
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>>258518
>Does anon know what plants breathe?
All the CO2 a plant breathes in is released to the atmosphere when it dies. Plants are only temporary reservoirs of CO2.

>During the Carter Administration the scare du'jour was Global Cooling!
You weren't even alive during the Carter administration. This is a line you were fed by shills or retards. Cite a news article, or a politician, or really, ANYTHING at all that supports that global cooling was the crisis of our time.
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>>258518
>Does anon know what plants breathe?
>It is something called CO2, yup the dreaded carbon dioxide. They love that stuff and convert it to O2, oxygen for us mammals.
>>258522
>All the CO2 a plant breathes in is released to the atmosphere when it dies. Plants are only temporary reservoirs of CO2.
holy fuck you're both so wrong i lost some braincells reading your fucking shit
shut the fucking hell up and go read or die or w/e away from here
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>>258523
>holy fuck you're both so wrong i lost some braincells reading your fucking shit
>shut the fucking hell up and go read or die or w/e away from here
The final decay product of all organic matter locks the carbon into carbon dioxide.

Your ability to vomit garbage out of your mouth doesn't make you correct.
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>>258528
half the continents you live on are made of fixed carbon, you triple retard
go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fixation or stop breathing more CO2 out you maximum faggot
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>>258531
The rate at which carbon is fixed and the rate at which it is unfixed is approximately the same. Huge effects don't matter when they cancel each other out into a net zero.
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If your solution to climate change and ecological collapse isn't nuclear-powered geo-engineering, it's wrong
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>>258536
>approximately the same
i doubt that heavily, and it would probably be part of the problem if it were the case
all the sedimentary carbonates and a whole bunch of evaporites are still around, proof that the overall balance is extremely far from 0 - it was all CO2 one day
and of course, any coal we don't dig out and burn will remain fixed CO2 that went through a different transformation path
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>>250929
absolute retard. I despise liberalism and am fully onboard with a number of conspiracy theories but you are a total retard
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>>258595
Agreed. Kewl right wing kiddies trying to fit in with rich oldie mentality by spamming this.
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maybe ice core samples are a big scam? ever think of that?
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>>258607
For what purpose?

This is the thing I never get about climate change denial. Who has all the money? Who stands to lose the most from increased environmental regulation? Guess what! These two groups are one in the same!

I mean, yes, if you're just trying to cuddle up to the 1% who own the banks who own all these corporations that would have to pay for all this, while at the same time ignoring all the new markets and industry that would spawn forth to fill the need for cleaner industry - as has been the pattern of change since the industrial revolution - fine. But don't pretend people who acknowledge climate change are shills for the rich and powerful - when you've taken up that job yourself!

>Oh, it's a Chinese conspiracy!
China's just about the only nation that fights environmental regulations near as much as the US does, signing Kyoto but refusing to set CE goals, and further, this whole climate change science thing started while they were still communist and behind the bamboo curtain, and thus couldn't give less of a shit (also at about the same time the USSR was considering putting giant mirrors in space to warm Siberia.)
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>>258676
>But don't pretend people who acknowledge climate change are shills for the rich and powerful - when you've taken up that job yourself!

Yes, this absolutely.
In the US, the greatest success of all that corporate lobbying was to frame AGW as a partisan issue, have everyone on the right fall in line. I do wonder how long this tactic will remain effective though.
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>>251743
>Anyway, human beings have never lived so long - tell me what's the issue?
wow great logic there champ
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>>257182
>>257190
hahahahahaha
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>>258599
>>258595
It is fucking nonsense. You idiots eat it up like cake. It's alarmist nonsense.
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>>258686
chicken little the skys been falling for 70 years now.

When are you hippies gonna stfu?
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>>259601
I think the hippies knew it will continue to fall.

It will continue to fall for a few decades.

When will you guys, whoever you are, realize we should do something about it?
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>>259617
when it gets hard to breathe, then it'll only be time to pick a scapegoat to blame over it.
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>>259618
Then I'll be making mad cash selling CO2 scrubber masks
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>>259619
Probably be a better idea to sell C02 sequestration.

Get like an algae farm that gobbles up C02 by the truckload. Build it near a coal power plant.

Work out some kind of deal with the state government so that the coal plant doesn't have to lay as much carbon tax if your algae farms are nearby.

Buckets.
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>>259661
it's a fucking O, not an 0, you uncultured swine
C02 means jack fucking shit
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>>259747
Lol, whoops. Nice catch.
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>>259758
good thing it was caught before production
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>>250918
No one buying your communist propaganda.
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>>250919
>going from 280ppm to 410ppm resulted in 0.9c increase
>going from 410 to 550 ppm would result in 6c increase
How does this make sense? And isnt there decreasing returns from how much more energy is absorbed from increased Co2?
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>Highest in 800,000 Years.
Extraordinary claims require...
>businessinsider.com
Fuck off with your corporate "news", you have to be cognitively impaired to not sense an ulterior motive for the pseudoscientifc, appeal to authority fear mongering by now.
>The carbon tax is for OUR own good. Hehe, we tell the masses the same story every time we take more of their resources for ourselves through our law's tax loopholes.
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>>259826
the article does cite other sources
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>>259831
Fair and balanced they are, citing exclusively bought off .edu and .gov sources, because anyone who isn't on a Fed payroll isn't a real scientist!
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>>259835
>because anyone who isn't on a Fed payroll isn't a real scientist!
universities have been centers of research since the enlightenment

who else exactly are you expecting to bankroll science
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>>259837
The center of scientific progress has always been dedicated, solitary individuals, who managed to achieve their dreams through study, observation, and experimentation; despite what others urged them to follow along with, to stay inside their box of limited perspective. The group think mentality is the antithesis of truth and progress.
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>>259844
>The center of scientific progress has always been dedicated, solitary individuals, who managed to achieve their dreams through study
copernicus worked as the secretary of the warmian government
newton worked for cambridge university
einstein worked for the university of zurich when he developed general relativity
dirac developed the theory of quantum mechanics at cambridge university

okay, now it's your turn: name four scientists of equal import who didn't work for universities
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>>259846
>because they needed money to survive, their work and achievements can be credited to the institutions that paid them
Great implication

Okay I'll name one, Tesla, went to his local Uni, he was bored, left and taught himself what he needed to know, went on to pioneer every significant technological leap of the 20th century while being cheated of the proceeds by banksters, had most his unpublished personal documents stolen by the CIA after he died instead of being inherited by his next of kin.
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>>259847
>resorting to lying
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>>259852
Prove that he's lying or shut your stupid bootlicking communist mouth. Everything about that can be verified in just about any biography of Tesla.
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>>259847
>Great implication
wow it's almost like universities are where almost all researchers go and therefore your automatic dismissal of all research that comes out of universities was retarded

>Okay I'll name one
at the current rate you've shown that one in five scientists are your amazing solitary genius, and one in five is a really far cry from claim that five out of five centers of scientific progress were "solitary individuals." come the fuck on. you should AT LEAST do 50-50 when you're trying to claim it's actually 100-0 in your favor.
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>>259859
look at those student loan agreements you signed for money or grants or even a single book return/discount, ANY RESEARCH OR LEARNING YOU DO LEGALLY BELONGS TO A UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE/SCHOOL you have gone to. They can and have like you said, appropriated and/or seized any and all research of alumni or even drop outs/unfinished students. Even when they are legally NOT ALLOWED TO. Heck, the piece of shit university I last went to was trying to forge my name on anti church legislation in MY FUCKING NAME, even when I went for legal representation against this shit, the judges said they didn't care about TRUTH OR JUSTICE, just their paychecks to their investments and their family's names.
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>>259874
the judges actually said that to you?
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>>250929
fucking retard kys
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>>250918

its white people
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>>259874
I'll take 'shit that never happened' for $1000, Alex.
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>>250929
death to america tbqh
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death to americans as well while your at it




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