One U.S. dollar will buy you nearly 925,000 gallons of gasoline in VenezuelaVenezuela has held on to its fuel subsidies that have made it one of the cheapest places to buy gas and, as The Drive noted, for years a tank of 91-octane fuel has cost less than a bottle of soda.Fuel retail price covers less than 5 percent of the cost of production and the remainder has to be made up by the government with hyperinflation of the Venezuelan bolivar approaching 1 million percent.The government has printed more money, fueling more inflation, and while prices in all other industries have risen, the price of gas remains low.https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/gasoline-venezuela-dollar-gallons/2018/08/08/id/876125/
I hope the Democrats win. Then we can experience the same here in the U.S.
>>276953socialism requires years of capitalist groundwork in order to build up enough technology to provide a means for the end of scarcity. Marx literally wrote this, but neo-communists conveniently forget it and red-blooded 'murrican bootlickers conveniently ignore its logic. it's not intended for an economy to jump right into socialism without capitalism having been utterly played out in terms of its benefits (which at this present time it is not and will not be for possibly many, many years). any true marxist knows how this works, and it explains why so many modern day socialist economies end up driving themselves into the ground: instead of actually working to accumulate new technology to reduce scarcity they rely on subsidies and the patronage of wealthier nations to fill in their budgetary gaps, which not only dissolves their last threads of autonomy and independence but further weakens their ability to recover from any sort of crash such as what is being seen in present day venezuela.
>>276955Yeah, a Scandinavian type socialism would be great. I hear they're the happiest and healthiest countries in the world.
>>276979>any true marxist
>>276991>Scandinavian type socialismIt's not socialism, said countries have explicitly stated so.https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#54192cc574adhttps://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.htmlhttps://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
>>276955Imagine being this stupid
>>277089>I have no way to refute this, so I'm gonna call him a stupid-head. Ha!
>>277094Imagine being so mentally challenged you think Democrat economic policy is anything like Maduro's.Yikes
>>277097Yeah, the democrats aren't totally shilling for more socialism while the right is doing their best to beat it down. You got me.
>>277097Read what Bernie Sanders wants to do and then realize a lot of Democrats hope he is gone soon because the next generation of young Democrat populists is more to the left of him.
>>27699162.5% personal income tax, then add on your 17.5% VAT (value added tax) for luxury items like Apple products, and then there's sales tax on routine things too. So yeah if you love the comfy life of high taxes and lots of state gibbs a country like Sweden is your paradise.Funny you never see Swedish tourists around here though, and I live at a big US tourist center? Wonder why that is... could it be all those high tax rates?
>>276979Enjoy your stay at Camp FEMA comrade.
>>276991Wait till the cultural enrichment level of their new diversity programs kicks in.
>>277089I read it as sarcasm, nobody with an ounce of brains would want socialism, Even Cuba is moving away from it for fucks sake.
>>277130You must live in your closet...there tons of Swede tourist despite them having a dinky little population, though personally if i lived outside the US i wouldn't tour here. No surprise i bump into swedes on all travels through SEA, any island, and southern Europe.
>>277097>Democrat economic policy"No Borders! No Wall! No Deportations at all!" or"No Nations! No Borders! No USA at All!""Abolish ICE!""Medicaid for all!" "Free College!""Abolish Student Debt!"Yeah the US Democrats have their own brand of stupid "economic policies."Sorry to be so judgmental but it really is as if they are out to weaken and destroy the USA.
>>277109>the democrats aren't totally shilling for more socialismBased. That is exactly what is happening.
>>277124>because the next generation of young Democrat populists is more to the left of him.Thanks a lot Democrats, another lost generation.
>>277066>>277131>proving his pointenjoying the fact that your hyper-conservative ideology is producing, predictably, equal and opposite backlash amongst the other mindless ones?
>>277130Loads of Swedish tourists in Greece...
>>277138As opposed to the Republicans, that just want to buy more bombs.This is why the Tea Party was so absolutely crushed. The idea of a balanced budget scares the living shit out of both sides of the aisle.
>>277174You can never have enough bombs. It is our holy duty to exterminate all lesser tribes on this planet.This is the only way you can create a better humanity and build a better future.GOD WILLS IT
>One U.S. dollar will buy you nearly 925,000 gallons of gasoline in VenezuelaSomeone explain to me why a millionaire/billionaire hasn't bought the entire island and all the gas in Venezuela?What's preventing someone with an ounce of entrepreneurial skill from just buying all the gas by the tankerloads and selling it elsewhere?
>>277068>>Scandinavian type socialism>It's not socialism, said countries have explicitly stated so.>no true scotsmanYou're free to define any term however you please as long as you're consistent.But if that's how you choose to define socialism, where Scandanavian countries aren't "true" socialist countries, then our differences of opinion regarding the effectiveness of socialism can be chalked up to semantics.We believe in a sensibly mixed economy, like Denmark, Finland, etc. have. We believe markets are usually effective in incentivizing productivity and innovation where there is social demand. We believe safety-nets are important because markets can't serve overall societal good when people are desperate or don't have dollars to "vote" with in the market place. We believe regulation is important because the actions of one can impose a cost on others now and in the future. We don't believe in totalitarianism like North Korea has. We don't believe in pure free market capitalism like Somalia and tribal areas of Afghanistan have.
>>277247Because its only sold at that price at gas stations and they wont give you thousands of barrels. Also its illegal to move gas out of the country
>>277138>"No Borders!Bad idea, but people advocating for that are an absurdly small minority.>No Wall!Because it's a waste of money, it won't work.>No Deportations at all!"Again, absurdly small minority.>"No Nations! No Borders! No USA at All!"Absurdly small minority. Does sound cool to me though, honestly. These invisible lines in the ground are pretty silly.>"Abolish ICE!"Either abolish it or radically change it. And no, abolishing ICE would not make immigration completely unhindered.>"Medicaid for all!">"Free College!">"Abolish Student Debt!"Fuck yeah. Based Bernie already explained how these things can be paid for. They're terrific ideas.
>>277327You know you will go to hell.
>>277332Rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints and all that. But actually, I won't go to hell because it doesn't exist.>inb4 fedora
>>277338You gonna get reborn as a shit eating worm 10000 years from now.
>>277352I don't think I've ever been threatened with reincarnation before, actually... Thanks.
>>277358Not only that. Thanks to your actions right here and now that future will be a tiny little bit worse. And you will bear the full impact of that difference. And I will step on you and curse you for dirtying my boot with your crushed worm body.
>>276991The Scandinavian type socialism is on its death throes right now. Gotta pay for all those refugees. Basically it can only work in an ethnically homogeneous society.
>>277399Refugees have nothing to do with it failing, if anything they could prolong its survival.its failing cause fewer and fewer people have to pay for more and more retirees. A good influx of mass breeding brown people to fill low skill jobs in a few years is the only feasible plan and totally worth some societal problems now. Politicians just don't want to say it like that
>>277404Wrong. It's dying because in ethnically heterogeneous societies there is less intra-group trust. People simply don't want to pay for people that are completely unrelated to them by blood and culture.Specificaly, it's Sweden's welfare state that is dying as the nation's cohesion is collapsing with sky-high immigration. Norway's welfare state is doing okay and Denmark's welfare state is recovering as people have become among the most anti-immigration in Western Europe.>A good influx of mass breeding brown people to fill low skill jobs in a few years is the only feasible plan and totally worth some societal problems now.Wrong. Jobelessness is incredibly high among immigrants in Sweden.https://www.ft.com/content/838d60c2-0961-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771bBarring specific cases where countries are highly picky towards which immigrants they choose, immigrants are always a burden, never an asset. Don't count on them to fund pensions or anything. They bring only more debts. Sweden has had to raise its retirement age to pay for the costs entailed by migrants.https://www.expressen.se/dinapengar/pension/folkokningen-skenar-da-kan-pensionsaldern-hojas/
>>277412I said in a few years. After at most 2 generations immigrants are pretty much always an economic boon. There is no stable first world country that has too few minimum wage jobs. You just have to decide if the social unrest that comes before it is worth it
>>276979Venezuela sort of got shoved off the cliff because Saudi oil output went into overdrive / drove down the per-barrel price of crude oil... The Saudis most likely put the price of crude in the toilet at the behest of the US. Saudi can take a price hit for awhile - the price drop was devastating for Venezuela. Its not socialism that wrecked the Venezuelan economy - artificially low oil prices did it.
>>277542>ah, it wasn't socialism, it was capitalist interference for the 50th time lmao
>>277545Sorry it ruins your brainlet narrative. I know how much easier it is to ignore nuance.
>>277546god, you are stupid. Had their economy not been totally dependent on oil, they would not have been so vulnerable to a price manipulation. you pussy is nuanced.
>>277545we're not capitalist, the US is a full-blown oligarchy.
>>277547>Had their economy not been totally dependent on oil, they would not have been so vulnerable to a price manipulation. Yes, thank you for agreeing with me in successfully criticizing the country's unintelligent, yet still capitalist, practices. See you at the bread line, comrade, you're a full-blown communist now because you used a shred of nuance lol.
If I hear one more conservative say>muh venezuelaI will be mildly upset.
>>277599Socialism has never worked and always ended in mass starvation. Venezuela is just the latest example.You retarded Nigger.
>>277614I am now mildly upset. Also, Scandinavia.
>>277628Like Norway or Sweden? They are hardcore individualists and capitalists. They are so autistic they cant even stand talking to their direct family members.They are the furthest thing from Socialists one can possibly be.
>>277599muh columbiawait shit
>>277632Jesus how hard is it to understand? Socialism is, practically speaking, a spectrum. Venezuela operates under a socialist as to a lesser extent do Sweden, UK even the US. Socialism can be exercised in command or market economies. Socialism means some public ownership / state-owned enterprises (everything from NHS to Amtrak) and wealth redistribution, which likewise can manifest radically (and retardedly) as Venezuelan fuel subsidies and largesse, or perhaps more sensibly as subsidized universities and unemployment programs.It's not a slippery slope. Socialism is something conservatives and leftists have used for almost two centuries now.
>>277640>Socialism means some public ownership / state-owned enterprises (everything from NHS to Amtrak) and wealth redistributionevery single state owned company is total shit that can only survive because it is surrounded by a sea of capitalism.Once a country accumulates too many state owned companies in relation to the shrinking private sector the entire thing goes down the tubes. And if you are lucky you die, if you you're not lucky then end up in a Socialist work camp.
>>277640>how hard is it to understand?the common human prefers his stuff cleanly cut in white and black, so it's easier to deal withain't nobody got time for complex shit like shades of grey, critical thinking and actual political debate
Really puts the punch in the line:"What some people would do for a dollar..."I wanted to live in Venezuela at some point, but then the Politics got crazy, the people got crazier, and now I found out their internet is about as censored as China is, not to mention the mass Geo-Blocking.I bet on a Civil War by the end of the year. July 2019 at the very least.