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What is your favorite factory sleeper?
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>>16869144
Caprice PPV
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>>16869144
You already posted it
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Anything from holden
Captcha: cars
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The new Corvette. At first, it just looks like a piece of shit GM garbage pile, but it's actually somewhat quick
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>>16869144
>>16869147
>>16869186

Pity Holden's dead eh.
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Does the B4 S4 count? Didn't look aesthetically a lot different than the A4s of the same time unlike BMWs M cars or Mercs AMGs.
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>>16869220
They still exist but everything in their line up is a rebadge of something else.
The Barina Spark is a Chevy Spark
The Barina is a Chevy Sonic
The Malibu is a Chevy Malibu
The Commodore is now a Opel Insignia/Buick Regal

There's actually talk of importing the Chevy Silverado to Australia to replace the Holden utes.
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>>16869144
Lotus Carlton
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>>16869144
Mine would have to be the gt86. It looks like a fast car but when you really give it the gas it goes no faster than a minivan.
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>>16869407
Thats the opposite of a sleeper. More like a factory ricer
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>>16869206
>Corvette
>Sleeper
Yep. Makes sense.
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>>16869186
>holden anything
>sleeper
Lmao try again
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>>16869144
Taurus SHO
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>>16870060
Maybe not in upside-downland but nobody knows what they are in the US.
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Anything Volvo
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>>16869240
The old S2 is even better. Looks like a regular old Audi 80 but has an engine pretty much straight out of Group B.
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>>16869144
>>16869240
>>16869363
>>16870364
>factory sleeper
>factory rice so obvious it defeats the purpose of a sleeper
just because it's boxy or has 4 doors doesn't mean it's a sleeper. >>16869147 is so far the only choice because it honestly looks like a shitbox only cops and poor middle aged office workers buy
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>>16870398
???
S2
???

underage confirmed
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>>16870404
you're fucking blind and stupid, learn what a sleeper is boy
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>>16869203
This was never a sleeper
>>16869193
Hey Recaros
>>16869240
>S4
>sleeper
>>16869355
Just no
>>16869363
Nope
>>16870134
I'm sensing a theme here

Jesus fuck, none of you mongoloids know what a fucking sleeper is neck yourselves
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>>16870398
>S2
>factory rice
Here's a regular B4 coupe, can you even tell the difference between the two besides the little badge in the grille?
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>>16870410

post 10 factory sleepers
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>>16870408
wew lad
you don't know shit about these cars and its showing
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>>16870428
it looks like a cop/thief magnet
>older boxy 2 door audi that looks like something only wannabe gangsters would drive

just stop trying, i get it, muh audi rally heritage but it's not a sleeper. try to stuff in that engine in a base 4 door audi 80 and you've got yourself a real sleeper
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>>16870445
Good thing they made an S2 Avant.
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>>16870445

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIW7gKbjdgU&t=104s its been done 100000000 times already.
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>>16869320
>There's actually talk of importing the Chevy Silverado to Australia to replace the Holden utes
Links to this talk please.
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>>16870410
>complains about the lack of sleepers
>does nothing to fix the problem

Second vote for the SS, OP
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>>16870580
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2015/01/will-holden-receive-the-chevrolet-silverado/
http://www.caradvice.com.au/324987/holden-showroom-2020-how-lion-badge-plans-to-challenge-toyota/
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/62214/holden-md-mark-bernard-24-new-models-a-rear-drive-performance-model-big-suvs-and-other-known-knowns
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>>16870580
It's already been done in the past.
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>>16870410
>Hey Recaros
Not an argument and not even true
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Already looks like a rental car

Remove spoiler and SS badges for more sleep

alternative answer is first gen cts-v
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CTS-V
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>>16870410
>Hey Recaros
I'm in this thread but that wasn't me.

>>16869147
was me.
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>>16871405
2.0 turbo
2.0 superchaged
Or 2.4 slow af N/A though... all 3 are the ss. Wis I could find a decent turbo for mine (2.4 Cobalt SS)
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>>16871438
>Wis I could find a decent turbo for mine (2.4 Cobalt SS)
merry Christmas
http://zzperformance.com/ecotec/turbo-parts-kits/2-2-2-4l-turbo-kit.html
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>>16871438

You can pretty much assume when someone is talking about the cobalt SS it's about the turbo

no one likes the other ones
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>looks like cheap american turd but is actually as expensive as a real car
what's the appeal?
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>>16871451
Woah thanks! Too bad I'm a poor fag.
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>>16871458
Alot of people liked the supercharged LSJ because they would add a turbo and make it twincharged. Dumbass neighbor did it without upgrading internals... you see where this story is going XD
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>>16871485
internals on the LSJ are good to around 400 HP. Your neighbor was a dumbass who did something wrong.

>>16871466
Adding a turbo is ridiculously easy. Go to the junkyard and grab the manifold and turbo off a 2003+ Saab 9-3 sedan/wagon. It's the same basic engine as the LSJ, but with a turbo instead of a blower. Bolts right up to the 2.2L and 2.4L heads. From there, you can piece together your own kit. Cavalier guys do it all the time.
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>>16871519
Good to know, I knew the 2.2 and 2.4 matched up but I didn't think the 2.0 would fit the 2.4. You have been a great help sir. I always assumed junkyards would take and sell that shit as quick as possible
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>>16870775
Ah k, makes sense, but that's nothing to do with "replacing the Holden utes". The Isuzu based Colorado (and every other midsize competitor) already has that market.
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>>16871618
The Colorado though is a lot smaller than the Silverado.
In America, we get the Colorado, and the Silverado, and the SIlverado is so much bigger and more capable, it isn't even funny.
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>>16870149
They know it's an ls powered chebby
Not a sleeper , especially considering they aren't even fast
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>>16871642
>The Colorado though is a lot smaller than the Silverado.
You don't fucking say. I think you completely missed the context.
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>>16871642
>so much bigger and more capable it isn't funny
Capable at hauling Lard burger ass around? It's not even funny how irrelevant that is in australia
And bigger does not mean better but you're a homo so that doesn't apply to you
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>>16871653
>415hp and tq
>not fast
Bread on hood of your supercar pls
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>>16870044
If you lived through the 70's...
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>v8 rwd
Chevy SS is not a sleeper when everybody knows what it is
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>>16871698

When the top-of-the-line 'vette made only 270 HP?
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>>16871686
Oh dear, someones mad.

Is it because the SS had a better engine the entire run? The fact it's cheaper in the US after a boat ride? Because it has HSV parts on it?

Don't blame us because Ford, GM, and Toyota all abandoned your continent at once. Or the fact your currency is better used as toilet paper.
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>>16869144
My car and the milans with the v6s in general
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>>16871690
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>>16871686
90% sure this is a shitposting Seppo.
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>>16871745
Yeah but can it turn
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>>16871738
the milans were not powerful with the v6 at all, very good car tho
miss mine
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>>16871711
Only half of car dorks know what a Chevy as is. The other 90% if the population is wondering why somebody would buy an Impala instead of a Camry.
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>>16871738
>>16871781
What up CD3 bros?
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>>16871776
At least as well as the SS.
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>>16871781
They got the job done and then some, really. At the very least, in my experiences with the car. Kept up with a tuned Saab, some maxima, and a v8 lexus(?). Until 110mph when the ECU decided fun isn't part of retirement. 0-60 in 5.something seconds, stock, and the engine has got room to improve. Bit more cash and I'm genuinely excited to see where it stands
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>>16871733
My post had nothing to do with the ss? It has mag ride which is goat but that American build quality tho
Certainly better than the commodore ss
But it's no gts with the LSA that's for sure

My point was that no one in australia wants the Silverado
Size and how much it can tow are irrelevant to us because we have actual trucks for hauling shit and a larger average penis size
They are already available but no one buys them unless it's used as some sort of advertisement vehicle
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>>16871690
1800kg barge that can't put its power down
Take a look at the hsv gts vs fpv gtp dyno test, the commodore loses a shit load of power through the drive train
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>>16871776
Not him but Hellcats are just as if not more capable of turning than commonwhores
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>>16871802
Enjoying tricking unsuspecting fools into thinking I'm a well adjusted old man and not some hooligan who has a straight piped v6
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>>16871863
>>16871856
>>16871811
The SS has the magnaride suspension standard, it's not even an option on any Commodores. Also it weighs 500 pounds less than the hellcat
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>>16871863
[citation needed]
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>>16871745
suddenly all the defensive hellcat shitposting makes sense.
Someone's got buyers remorse.
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>>16871849
Ausfag here, we're talking about the 1/2 ton Silverado, not 2500HD Silverado that's brought in as a grey import and sold to caravanners.
There's most definitely a market for the 1500 Silverado here for the market after something more heavy duty than a midsize pickup, the same way the VDJ79 is sold along side the Hilux. With the recently departed Y61 Patrol cab-chassis, that market has opened up a little. But ultimately I think the full size Silverado will need a diesel option if it's going to be of any success here.

My original point is the Silverado is in no way a replacement for the outgoing Commodore ute.
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>>16871819
>0-60 in 5.something seconds, stock

im sorry but you are, horribly, horribly wrong.

More like 7 seconds flat, on a good day with the stars aligned.
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>>16869320
>>16870580
>>16870775
aussies better give us holden utes then so it could be a fair trade
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Be careful of any recent VW turbo cars, they can be sleepers if they are APR/GIAC/unitronic/neuspeed tuned.

Even mundane 1.8t Jettas can do sub 6 second 0-60 sprints so be careful especially if you drive anything with 300 or less horsepower.
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>>16871954
What year do you have? Mine definitely gets there in 5.somethings. I've timed it
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>>16871995
Not him, but mines a '10 Fusion Sport with the 3.5 and mine doesn't even touch 5 sec to 60
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>>16871995
Like high 5.whatever. I dont think it breaks 6, unless my timer was off, which I doubt
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>>16872012
>>16871954
Fuck it, I'll redo it tomorrow and make a thread on it. I'm curious now.
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>>16871738
must corner great.....


....when it's tied down on the tow truck.
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>>16872034
>>>16871738
>must corner great.....
>....when it's tied down on the tow truck.

Multi link rear and double wishbone front beg to differ
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>>16872023
Dude, you realize the right way does not include any form of stop watch right? You can VERY easily be off by more than a full second.

The right way is using an OBD-II device such as a scangauge or ultragauge.

I promise your car isnt even close to 5.whatever. Thats Taurus 3.5 turbo SHO times...
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>>16872059
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised when I first pushed it on the twisties
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>>16872012
My friend also has a Fusion Sport (2011) and we tested it on the ultraguage.

6.81 seconds 0-60.

My APR tuned 1.8t did it 5.97 seconds

Anyone here saying their mercury, taurus or whatever with an N/A V6 is doing 5.x is terrible at timing 0-60 runs.
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>>16869240
>s4
>sleeper
Not only does everyone into cars know what it is at first glance, it's not fast.
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>>16871519
I didn't know this (not that I ever looked into it). Noted for later, maybe, thanks faggot.
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>>16871959
nope. holden ute has been killed off along with the RWD Commodore.

You CAN get them in America though.
http://lefthandutes.com/
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obligatory 3000 series II post
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>>16871690
>msrp
>$49k
hahahaha, HOLY SHIT. Seriously? I just had to look it up. Jesus that's expensive.
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>>16872081
No shit Dingus, the best mine would run would be 6.5 with a non shit driver since I have no Steeda or Super Six goodies
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>>16869144
my literal car

>240rwkw ls1
>t56 manual (never came in this model from the factory)
>everyone thinks its a v6 because the exhaust is a little rough
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>>16872129
Fuck off FatCunt
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>>16872139
hi postiem8
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>>16872081
>>16872062
Yeah I'm more than likely fucking horrible at that. I'll stop fucking talking up my car until I actually get hard data. Lessons learned, I feel pretty stupid.
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>>16869144
2008 lexus is-f
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>>16872154
s'goin on
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>>16872169
nuffin waiting on parts u?
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>>16872178
shitposting
what else?
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>>16872119
They were 20% off MSRP this past week
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>>16872185
indeed sir good work carry on mate
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debate me.
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>>16872457
>hofmeister knick
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>>16872457

Nice bikes and "parking assist device" Grandpa.
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>>16872465
So what if I hate backup cameras?

I measured the damn car to make sure it fits perfectly.
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>>16872457
14 or 15?

The wheels still bug me.
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Ecoboost Transit 250 Cargo Van. More than 400 lb/ft of torque with 300hp. This plumbers van has a better power to weight (when empty) ratio than most "sport cars"
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>>16872886
>300 hp
Did the Transit get the V6 ecoboost?
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>>16872891
Yes. It's actually 320hp
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>>16871690
Nice car m8, super jelly
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>>16872465
Better than a tennis ball suspended on a string
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MS6. 274hp/280tq stock. Turbo awd with understated looks. Definitely qualifies as a sleeper.

Pic is my shitbox.
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>>16872886
Now make it corner like a sports car.
>notgonnahappen.jpg

I wish these morons would stop with power to weight comparisons with shit vehicles not meant for sporty driving. If it isn't available with a manual, or a suspension optimized for handling, keep your shit opinions on irrelevant bullshit to yourself.
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>>16872457
no your dunnydoor a qt

enjoy it because you wont see a 4dr sedan with a ls thats not a Cadillac for long fucking time
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>>16870398
The only guy who gets it
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>>16872992
he's objectively wrong though

yanks dont know what the fuck the commodore is therefore its a sleeper and it looks like a 140hp i4 fwd chev
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>>16872969
No need to sperg out over a fun little factoid, anon. My point is that these generic looking vans actually put down a decent amount of power.
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>>16873009
and have the aerodynamic and handling profile of a fucking 2tonne brick
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>>16872969
>cornering
Not the point of a sleeper
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E63 AMG with the business pack option that makes it look like a regular non-AMG E-class.
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>>16869363
>spoiler
>front airdam
>low pro directional tire

nah
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>>16869363
how have I never heard of this car?
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>>16869144
I like the Saab 9-2X Aero although it's not really a sleeper by today's standards since Accords can put down more power than it.

I don't have a picture of one but I do have a WRX with a front end swap off the Saab which is basically the same thing minus some leather.
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>>16870364
>>16870428
>>16870447
>>16870445

I love my AAN, my Urs4 is a fat pig though. My friend says im a retard but I want to put into an 80.
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>>16869147
I don't think it counts as a factory sleeper if you can't buy one new from the factory
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>>16870410
>berates everyone else for apparently not knowing what a sleeper is
>doesn't post anything
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>>16873169
british TRASH is why, m8
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>>16872119
I think they usually sell for less than msrp because dealers can barely get rid of them. Also, a manual SS will probably hold its value better than just about any competitor since it's getting discontinued... just look at the Pontiac G8.
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>>16873207
>Saab which is basically the same thing minus some leather.
If only. The interior is incredibly better on the saab.
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>>16872457
>14 second 1/4 miles
>"sleeper"
lmao
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My personal favorite is the Galant VR-4.

It isn't fast (stock) by today's standards, but it was basically the Evo before there was an Evo. Turbo 4G63, active AWD, AWS, 5-speed only, etc.. Since it has the same engine as early Evos and DSMs you can mod it accordingly. And look at it! Even most car guys these days would have no idea - normies would just figure you're poor.
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>>16873573
>14 second quarter mile
Where the fuck did you get that number? C&D tested one and got 13.0 @ 111 mph.
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>>16873596
that is absolute best case scenario in perfect conditions
in the real world they will get rekt by a bone stock evo or sti
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>>16873543
I may have been simplifying the reality of the situation for brevity.
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This count?
>Dirt bike
>12.5s quarter
>3.8s to 60
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>>16870699
sleepers are supposed to be fast anon
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>>16873824
>Dirt bike
Stop saying that

Its not a dirt bike. Its made for road use.
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>>16873838
Fine, this one then, probably faster because lower stock gearing.
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>>16873083
I really hate how both MB and BMW are selling Amg and M trim packages respectively for basic cars
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FPV GT-E
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>>16873873
Why the fuck did GM and Ford refuse to globalise Australian sedans
Instead of just importing them they should have built them here
And we didnt even get the falcons....

V8 full size sedans are sex and dat I6 barra was too good for this world
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>>16871690
enjoy getting btfo by falcons
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>>16873873
Ants?
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Back in the day this was the ultimate sleeper.

The Lancia Thema 8.32

A luxury barge with a Ferrari V8 and a hidden spoiler.
https://youtu.be/zRTd4Gi_3jI
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>>16873979
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>>16873979
>>16873980
>0-60 in 6.8
Wew hold onto your butts!!
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>>16869193
Fellow Redline fan, hell yeah
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>>16874015
Plenty fast back in my day.
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>>16873593
So true mate! Nobody knows such a car even exist.... I was soo gonna post about this car. This IS the ultimate sleeper.
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Seeing half the cars posted itt
A v6 camry is more of a sleeper

>>16874305
>factory rice Mitsubishi
Nah
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>>16874305
Nothing with a wing is a sleeper
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>>16873930
Good thing there aren't any in burgerstan
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>>16873839
Underrated post.
These 2,1 metric ton sedans accelerate faster than some supercars.
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>>16874963
>accelerate faster than some supercars
Faster than all supercars*
It's literally the fastest production car in the world
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>>16874966
DidnĀ“t the 918 accellerate a bit faster than the P100D?
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>>16874966

Quickest*
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>>16874976
Rated at 2.5
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Silverado/Sierra 2500 Duramax.
Stick a bigger turbo on and some sticky tires and it'll fly. (In a straight line)
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>>16875075
These are about as far from a sleeper as you can get, everyone knows that half the people with these behemoths turn the boost way up and lift the trucks like 1 foot +.

Funny enough they are still pigfat slow, sure they are faster than other trucks their size but they are not sleepers by any definition.

To me, a sleeper would need to be fully unassuming and at least be faster than 90% of whats on the road.
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>>16872959
Nope, not a sleeper. Everyone knows "mazda speed" cars are "sports cars". The whole image of mazda as a company is "Zoom zoom".

Verdict, not a sleeper.

IF your car is something that ricers would try to race, then its not a sleeper.
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>>16874966
>It's literally the fastest appliance in the world
fix'd
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>>16875643
The Suzuki wagonR with a 13b swap would be a nice example for a sleeper.
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>>16873889
GM did and no one bought them. Americans love yuuuge suv and shitty korean shitboxes.
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>>16877395
The Holden's that came to the states were the SS, G8, and Cadillac Catera
Before Pontiac was killed the G8s were strong sellers
The SS isn't selling well because GM doesn't want to promote it because they just want the platform to die
The Catera didn't sell well because they gave it the Opel 3.0 V6 and it was underpowered for the sent they were trying to enter
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>>16877424
*segment
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>>16875649
>This buttblasted
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>>16870398
>caprice is the only choice that looks like a shitbox
>the redline doesn't
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>>16878088
The Redline had a (functional) huge wing, and a very aggressive body kit.
It's not exactly flying under the radar.
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>>16869144
Maxima for the inbetween years of the 5.5gen when they briefly had a VQ35DE & 6-Speed in a chassis that couldn't handle the power & ended up torque steering & chewing thru wheel bearings like crazy.
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>>16878230
This
The 02-03 models are actual sleepers
Anything before or after is just fucking garbage
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>>16873839
Dude Tesla has been going apeshit promoting how fast their cars are. No one will be fooled thinking a Tesla is a Sleeper
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>>16878242
>before
A 190hp fwd sedan from the 90's isn't something to scoff at.
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>>16878284
>255>>>>190
And there was a negligible weight gain in the 02-03 years
You like the wrong years, its ok
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>>16878230
These cars rust real bad. I have a 2000 maxima and the radiator support rusted off. I had to get it welded because my engine was sagging. I cant imagine the rust covered chassis handling a 3.5l. Nissans rust real bad in general.
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>>16871745
>This one car isn't fast
>Because i own literally the highest horsepower vehicle available to middle america.

ok
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>>16871745
So... because it's not as fast as another car, it's not fast? Idiot. Your car, by that logic, is slow as fuck. I watched a GT-R go 6 sec in the 1/4 mile this weekend at TX2K. Everything else is shit.

>being this insecure about a car purchase
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>>16872129
Not a sleeper if your tranny explodes at the launch.
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>>16878181
Is the wing really that functional though? I've seen pics without it and I think it looks better. And besides the different front end it looks just like a normal ion to me
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>>16872129
Jesus christ, that looks like a heap of shit.
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The Toyota Chaser. Looks like a Camry, goes like a Supra.
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My dad had one of these when I was a kid, thing was a hoot in stock form, can't imagine what it would be like if you actually went through the engine and installed a more modern turbocharger.
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>>16874966
So he might beat you in the first race, but three races in he'll be losing to a Camry because his battery is discharged.
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>>16879404
That doesn't look like a ducking Camry, it looks like the R34's mentally challenged cousin.
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>>16880088
>"b-b-best th-three out of f-f-five?"
literally you, a sore loser.
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>>16880090
LOL
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>>16879365
>Is the wing really that functional though?
Yes. The wings on the Ion Redline and Cobalt SS were bolt functional. It actually does have a noticeable effect on handling (when going hard through corners) if you remove it. IIRC, GM said the wing reduces top speed by about 20 mph all in the name of handling.

Just like the Subaru Impreza WRX STI, the wing is functional.




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