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Well we have a date. Any truckers want to share their thoughts?
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>>17873423
not a trucker.

but why does anyone pay attention to this idiot and his pyramid scheme when he doesnt deliver on products?
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truck drivers are by far the most uneducated and disliked union there is
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>>17873435
yet another one falls to the
>musk is a huckster
meme. what a shame.

>>17873441
there are three million of them, more than I thought before I did some searching. EV trucks would be disruptive to their industry, no? Just wanted to know if any of them had any thoughts on what they think EVs would take from or bring to their profession...
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>>17873454
>EV trucks would be disruptive to their industry, no?

no they wouldnt. CDL rules and laws would still apply and will continue to apply in the near future. PLUS, if the EV truck is automated, companies will not use them because they'll follow the law and will be unable to do deliveries on time, have you seen how truckers drive on the interstate?
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>>17873454
Aren't people still waiting to have their orders fulfilled from the first round of preorders like 4 years ago?

I heard there's horrific panel gap issues and reliability problems among the entire Tesla range. Not exactly something you want to hear about a 6 figure automobile.
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>>17873490
that's an interesting point about how the standards in the industry are maybe based on skirting the rules to begin with. But, I'd imagine that the benefits would outweigh whatever speed/sleep requirements current drivers had. Even if you have a driver go for 17 hours straight instead of whatever is the max allowed in a day, that still isn't as good as 24hrs, which a hot-swappable battery level 5 autonomy EV rig would do no?
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>>17873454
I COULDNT CARE LESS


THIS IS YOUR PUNISHMENT FOR SUPPORTING TRUMP

ELON MUSK IS PUNISHING YOU FOR DENYING CLIMATE BY REPLACING YOU WITH AN ECO FRIENDLY ROBOT

SAY YOU ARE SORRY
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>>17873495
literally making shit up
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>>17873495
The preorder stuff is for the model 3. You've been able to buy a S or X without more than the normal delivery wait (excluding custom orders) for a couple years now. In fact, they have a surplus of inventory as of now. The reliability is an issue, but it seems to be mainly lemons — not widespread design issues. besides the panel gaps of course, those seem to be a tesla feature now.
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>>17873503
Elon youre dreaming.

First of all... even if rules and regulations wouldn't apply and you were able to do more than a 8 hour drive at a time (one of the rules they do not skirt), you still need a person to unload the truck. Most transportation companies are small and have a low number (a dozen or a few dozen) and they do deliveries by hand out of the back bay door by hand. I know a particular big company in PA that just recently went to pallets and when they deliver to a different distribution company they have to restack pallets in order to get that shit delivered. So you still have the cost of the human there, you'd have a much higher cost of the EV truck, why even switch? They're not going to change the way they do business.
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>>17873423
You can fuck off back to cuckkit tesla now
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>>17873537
is it not common to just drop off the trailer and pick it up later? The big Safeway distribution center near me always has most of its loading bays full of truck-less trailers. I'd imagine that that sort of situation is pretty common, rather than the small operation deal you're explaining. Or perhaps not
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>>17873569
>is it not common to just drop off the trailer and pick it up later?

no because of issues between distributors and transportation companies, that is less common than most people think. you over estimate how much these companies trust eachother, they scrutinize their billing and time to the point of ridiculous, for many reasons, one of which is drivers are such fuck ups, no one wants that job that already tells you what kind of people you get, another reason, companies who use them think transportation companies are the scum of the earth, then you have warehouse and store managers on power trips of the sort "you have to pull out because truch XYZ is here and he's got priority over you" you got to put all that shit back on the truck and pull out, let the other guy have the bay, let him unload and then you start unloading all over again. You don't leave a trailer there without checking its entire contents because, no trust, so by the time you sit around doing all that, you take the trailer back with you.
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>>17873603
jeez. seems like a shitshow
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>>17873624
its actually amazing how things get done at all, most stores in the country and distribution warehouses in the country do not have enough inventory to miss more than one truck. it all works on a prayer.
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semi trucks are capital equipment that serve one purpose. to make their owners money. its not about being a special snowflake hipster with your overpriced personal conveyance, its about being cost effective, delivering trailers reliably and on time, and having ez maintenance.

EV's might work for regional delivery trucks, but OTR stuff is going to be diesel for many, many years.
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>>17873521
It is in fact, you, that is literally making shit up.

Tesla fans are pure cancer. Unbelievably cultish
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>>17873685
>muh cult boogyman

attacking the fans instead of the product, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>17873703
No. I already pointed out the flaws with the product and your only response was "literally making shit up".

Stop it. You're embarrassing.
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>>17873703
>attacking the fans instead of the product,

What is the number of total vehicles delivered and what is the total number of remaining orders?
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>>17873708
oh no watch out everyone we have a badass over here

go huff your black ice somewhere else tard


>>17873682
well EVs have maintenance, and being on-time down pat. It's just a question about the overall cost equation and how they compare to existing rigs. Even if they are just 5% cheaper and 5% more reliable, that's good enough for the peanut counters out there. It'll be interesting for sure
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If it doesn't look like this then it can fuck right off
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>>17873729
>continues to dodge the questions about the product
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>>17873718
>delivered
around 200k globally.
>ordered
well the model 3 has something like 500,000 pre-orders. But that doesn't exactly count, because it's a brand new production line and a brand new product. You can't expect them to pop out 500k cars overnight. At least wait to see if their ramp-up schedule is on track, mmkay?

>>17873743
lewd
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>>17873655
I used to unload trailers in warehouses around the city. Walmart has their shit pretty fucking dialed. Then you walk into another DC and it's like walking back in time. Most other warehouses and DC's are extremely inefficient and that's why you see such a price differences between Walmart and the others.

People don't realize how much time and resources it takes to get goods to the shelves. There's definitely no such thing as being green. It takes a lot of diesel to get shit done and likely will for years to come.
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lmfao the battery will last a mile
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>>17873423
I would be far more excited if they do an electric robotic lawnmower that can mow 50 acres. Or a electric 50hp tractor.
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>>17873423
It's gonna crash and burn just like how Ford made semi trucks and failed miserably.
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These electric trucks must be able to pull 80,000 lbs for 12 hours, recharge in 12 hours, and cost not much more than a regular semi if any companies are actually going to purchase them. That sounds impossible to me and I think that this is a marketing gimmick.
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>>17873743
wtf does someone sit in bottom like this
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>>17873729
>well EVs have maintenance, and being on-time down pat

thats not true because there are not electric semi's yet. go hang out in the trucker fag thread. there is a huge logistical network thats in place to support current trucks that is non existent for any theoretical EV's. and as one anon already pointed out, even if you could fully automate the actual driving portion of trucking you still need a human there for the mountains of other bullshit it takes to get a load delivered on time.
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>>17873769
according to tesla they have buyers lined up already. Lots from the major trucking firms. It's a pretty big stretch to call it impossible imo. It'll work for some section of the trucking market, definitely not all though
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>>17873775

>just crush me to death
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>>17873769
12 hour shifts are illegal though
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>>17873791
crushed by what exactly?
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>>17873756
jesus christ elon, way to twist up facts. let's start with the 200k number. First of all, where did you get that from? Second of all in ten years, 200000 cars is all this brilliant company has produced, ten years, thats twenty thousand cars pery year. which is laughable.
> You can't expect them to pop out 500k cars overnight

They've had ten fucking years, who said anything about over night, were this not a company backed up by monopoly money it would have died five years ago. Plus, they make no money from the cars themselves, secondly, your 500k pre orders don't mean jack shit if you can't deliver the product, and the orders are non binding.
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Trucker here.

Cummins beat Tesla. Cry more shills.
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>>17873795

the giant hanging mass 12" over your head

when a semi driver overestimates the height of a bridge/overpass, his cab usually goes under and the trailer gets jammed/crushed

in that thing, YOU get crushed
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>>17873820
i thought it needed mirrors
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>>17873820
what the fuck is going on with them wheels
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>>17873828

C A M E R A S

to work with the trademark

G I A N T T A B L E T
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>>17873846
where is the camera mounted?
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The Tesla semi are impractical due to that it wouldn't be able to go far and probably have a long charge time which means more down time and no dealer network to provide parts and service also no trained tech and Cummins has already came out with their version of a Electric drivetrain
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>>17873846
that shit bothers me a lot about electric cars. cant you get a normal EINK gauge and turn off the tablets?? seems like that would make your battery go further.
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Tesla semi is going to take their jobs in 10 years, tops.
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>>17873807
Sorry, the actual number is 174,032. :^)

>>17873856
would be tiny compared to the pull of the motors. an iPad is like 11,560 mAh, and it last a good 7 hours on one charge.
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>>17873851

you don't need to know that, just look at the tablet Anon

the truck drives itself anyhow, just sit back and trust Papa Musk

>>17873856

but people buy the car for the giant iPad gimmick, just as they buy Fordshit and Chevyshit with giant tablets rammed into the dash
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how do they expect it to not overheat, especially in the mountains. on top of that a regular truck can go through a "charge" full tank of gas and have it refilled in a few minutes, an electric truck would take hours to refuel and i'm guessing the batteries wouldn't last long anyway when pulling a load
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>>17873856
>>17873846
>>17873888
The fuck are you guys talking about?
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>>17873911
external battery pack on the trailer maybe?
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I love listening to people doubt the Musk. Sometimes I like to switch back and forth between /o/, stocktwits and my TSLA portfolios and just pleasure myself to it all.

If you really think the guy is a moron and his company is shit, go open up a short position like so many other people that have collectively lost billions of dollars so far this year alone.
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>>17873888
don't forget, FMVSS 111 goes into effect next year. Every single new car will have to have a medium-large digital screen with a backup camera :^)
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>>17873874
>would be tiny compared to the pull of the motors
give me the option, its a car for god sakes not a computer.
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>>17873931

I have a backup camera that inset to my rearview mirror, it only appears when I put my FJ in reverse.

I'm not knocking the cameras, for my vehicle it really does help me ensure I'm only backing over the people I want to.

But on stuff like a Ford Focus it's just fucking stupid.
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>>17873911
it'll supposedly have a lot of motors, maybe six. That would distribute the motor heat a bit. Coolant systems for EVs is not that difficult, it's just that companies want to skimp on them to save weight and cost. Like, the leaf is air-cooled, which is why it can't do well in the winter compared to liquid cooled teslas which can better thermally manage the batteries
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>>17873929
>i dont understand how bubbles work
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>>17873423
>"unveil" can be used as a present participle.
You just knew Elon Musk would be one of these faggots who talks in MBAspeak.
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>>17873965
if its a bubble and youre smart enough to know that, then surely you have a short position open so you can get rich when it tanks, right?
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>>17873920
yeah but what's the incentive to pay to install battery packs on a trailer which will also amount to more weight?
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>>17873978
Shorting bubble is way harder since they burst so quickly compared to the way up
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>>17873874
210k Model S
50k Model X
2500 Roadsters

>>17873807
All cars have been delivered as promised. Nobody was expecting a Model 3 to be delivered a year ago.

>They've had ten fucking years
Do you know how many car companies have emerged in the last 70 years and delivered more than 100k cars? 0. Nobody with a brain thinks Tesla is underperforming productionwise, which is why their company is valued higher than every other manufacturer. Maybe you should try using your brain (or at least try to mimic people that are capable of doing so) instead of getting emotional over a "fan base."
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>>17873978
he he he, I get my daily chuckle out of seekingalpha articles about tesla. Some serious mental gymnastics going on over there. Like half of the SA articles are either about tesla bashing or tesla praising, it's pretty funny either way. A lot of people are going to be really hurting pretty soon. No limit to the losses from shorting, hah
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>>17874009
I just added up the published quarterly deliveries to get 174,032. Where did your numbers come from? I thought the 200k S was still a ways away
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>>17873510
>this libcuck meltdown
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>>17873760
Nah, it'll be a massive battery that takes up almost all the cargo space.
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>>17873775
Deliver during the week, track it on the weekends. Pickup and deliver truckloads of babes on holiday. Based Ferrari.
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>>17874000
so? buy some puts then.

>>17874015
yeah theyre a hoot. every other one is like "GS puts out a target price of $180" or "billionaire investor says it'll be $500 by EOY". it's hilarious.

i mean, i could be wrong. but at least im putting my money where my mouth is. i respect the people who do the same whether theyre long or short. i just lol at all the people who spend so much time and energy going online and bashing tesla for being such a supposedly garbage company, but lack the conviction to actually back it up with anything. how can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you dont take yourself seriously?
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>>17873862
In 10 years it's entirely possible all the established car brands killed Telsa with superior electric cars.
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>>17874058
The solid state battery is the tesla killer.
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>>17874058
Elon would be fine with that, apparently. He wanted Tesla to encourage competition in the EV market. The whole thing is a front to sneakily make EVs popular. Tesla might just be a energy company in a decade, who knows
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>>17874070
He's only "fine" with it because it's inevitable. He's saving face because he know's how fucked he is.
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>>17874078
he's been saying that since day one buddy. oh yeah, he's fucked since they are building a factory to make a fuckton of batteries to sell to everyone... oh no...
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>>17873423
thanks twitter
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>>17874078
he literally released all his electric car patents to the world for free over 3 years ago. cars are only the first tiny stepping stone towards what theyre going to become.
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>>17874009
>Nobody with a brain thinks Tesla is underperforming productionwise,
famous last words
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>>17874125
t. 2014
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>drive 4 miles
>battery dies
>have to charge for 48 hours
Yeah good luck with that there Elon.
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>>17874136
You talking about your Power Wheels Barbie Jammin' Jeep Wrangler? This is an 18+ website, bozo.
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>>17874130
more like 2007
>you should invest in real estate because the value will always go up
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>>17874145
look at this shit, who would pay $1000 for a tesla? they gorge you with the '''''premium battery'''''' nonsense
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>>17874054
>implying that's a Ferrari because your lazy ass saw a prancing horse and assumed.

Steinwinter Supercargo
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>>17874161
does that come with ludicrous mode?

asking for.. my kid.. yeah.
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>>17873423
I don't see these electric trucks as being capable or doing long haul shit. They might serve as yard trucks at best.
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>>17873929
i have $5000 to mess around with and i have never fucked with the market.

Is now a good time?
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>>17873454
Shilling this hard
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>>17874201
stocks, yes. crypto, no. protip: buy chinese stocks. emerging markets are huge right now. go check out TAL, BZUN, EDU, etc. and of course TSLA.
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>>17873423

American middle class is really getting fucked. Being a truck driver is basically the last skilled trade that doesn't require years of schooling to get into and pays a wage you can live on.

>>17874185

They're made for long hauls and are superior to human drivers as they never need to stop to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, etc and have a lower collision rate. Most of all though, there's no driver salary or benefits to pay. There's going to be no large corporation that uses human drivers in 10 years, so the market is going to get flooded with them willing to work dirt cheap.
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>people treating this like revolutionary news
Cummins did it weeks ago. Musk doesn't do anything that hasn't already been done. And he doesn't really do it any better
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>>17874201
would you take that money to a casino? stock market is no different, its a fools game and theres plenty of fools thinking you can make a fortune if only you know what youre doing. buy an index fund, dont play around with stocks. youll get jewed

a better advice would be, buy a apartment building/house and lease it, let the tenants pay your mortgage and you'll own property for free.
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>>17874236
>being this ignorant about law and the business itself
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>>17874243
>i have $5k
>buy a house
lol. but seriously this is not bad advice. ETFs and index funds are the safe way to go. but those are better served for long term pretax accounts. if you just want to fuck around and youre young and can accept the risk, go in on a few companies you believe in with money you can lose and it can pay off.

im really bullish on the BOTZ ETF right now myself. check that one out too.
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>>17874201
>Is now a good time?

It's always a good time to buy and sell a house anon. Alway!
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>>17873423
tuckers are soon to be out of jobs, well long haul truckers that is. We'll still need meat sacks to unload the goods for now.

Should have stayed in school bitch boys.
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>>17874270
10% of the US gdp involves transport. We're in for a wild ride lads
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>>17874261
>i have $5k
>buy a house
i meant use the money as a downpayment on a cheap ass property somewhere. you can find one that cheap. fix it up on weekends if its in real bad shape, even at 500 a month if its at least 100 bucks over your mortgage payment you can cover insurance, and even if the
y burn the house down you are safe. and you will end up owning the property, the main thing is breaking even and covering the property taxes.
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>>17874288
500 a month probably wouldn't even pay for tax, insurance, and maintenance on a leased property. and a place that cheap/shitty is going to be in a neighborhood attracting very undesirable tenants.

listen i agree with you, ive been looking into it myself lately and its a great way to make money, but not when you have $5k to play with. $100k and now you're talking. property ownership is way more expensive than you think. you cant just 'fix up' a house in your spare time. youre forgetting building permits, licensed tradesmen, lawyers, etc.
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>>17874252

Enlighten me.
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>>17874326
see>>17873776
and>>17873603

there is a fuckton more to trucking than just the moving the wheel and pedals part.
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>>17874201
$5k is kiddie change when trading stocks
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>>17874201
start with 500$ on a Robinhood cash account. none of that "instant" shit because you can't daytrade. do 10-30$ trades and literally scalp pennies for gains. do this for X years until you actually figure out what you are doing and can say with full confidence you aren't gambling.
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>>17874427
there is no real way you can look at the stock market and say it isn't gambling. even futures trading, with its basis on a real thing, is gambling. you are putting your money down to faith. this is just an objective observation, if could be objectively looked at the code would have been cracked by now.
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>>17874441
theres a difference between trading and investing. yes, trading is a zero sum game with all day traders eventually trending towards breaking even. but if investing was gambling, the stock market wouldnt exist.
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>>17874468
are you talking about bonds in general? even for investing, your blue chips today, are trash tomorrow and then there is companies that function on a prayer that their investors don't get past the cache and keep thinking of the company as a black box that makes money. Either way, the stock market exists because it serves a general purpose in the economy, one way to look at it is as you said, its "investment" but all those investments are seriously based on faith, but that faith does play an important part in the economy, how else would we get railroads built.
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>>17873490
An automatic truck can drive 24/7. Following the speed limit won't delay it more than a human having to rest.
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>>17874499
How exactly would that play out since the driver isn't allowed to drive for more than, say for the sake of argument 8 hours, because I think the exact number may be 9 or 10.

The law isn't going to change as soon as an automatic vehicle exists, and there are no laws written to allow the vehicle to move 24/7. Does this mean the human behind the wheel isn't there to act as a failsafe in the case of a fuckup? No autonomous EV will ever be allowed without a driver, society won't accept it, and if it did you better get ready for some serious theft happening with EV trucks.
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>>17874497
i feel like you just like using the term 'gambling' very liberally. like using it to describe anything that involves risk. getting out of bed in the morning is a gamble, since you could get run over by a car on the way to work. starting up your car is a gamble, since there is a nonzero chance your timing chain snaps and destroys your motor.

investing in a company is more than just putting your money on black on a roulette wheel. casino games dont pay out dividends. investing isnt a closed loop function like rolling dice. you can research a company, their products, their leadership, their roadmaps, and use that to make informed decisions that youll never find at a casino.
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>>17873918
it might just be the lens but based on the size of the wheel that cockpit looks really tiny
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>>17874532
>taking the bait
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>>17874532
Very smart people did exactly that many times and lost it all, it may be a little liberal use of the word as you say, but it isn't out of touch with reality, we don't even have to go to far back for examples.
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>>17874632
If you're talking about 2008, the market has fully recovered since then. It's fully recovered from every dip, crash, and recession. Investing implies long term, to which these periods you're referring to are merely a blip and completely irrelevant. Day traders lost money, diversified long term investors did not.
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>>17873423
and here I thought they couldn't make Teslas any heavier.
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>>17874651
>diversified long term traders did not
Do you mean retirees? Because outside of those no one else has the money to "invest".

You also don't get dividends worth a damn unless you have money in the tens of thousands in a single company so all this diversicatio gal literally only applies to rich people. Who can afford to toss a hundred thousand at a diversified portfolio to play with since that is the o lay real way to make money, and someone who is that rich doesn't want to risk doing that they'll just buy a index fund.
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>>17874651
so.. you only lose when you sell?
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>>17874686
>unless you have money in the tens of thousands
>so all this diversicatio gal literally only applies to rich people
lol, sure, if by 'rich people' you mean 'anyone who has worked more than a couple years in their life'. yes, you need money to make money. welcome to real live adulthood.

>Do you mean retirees? Because outside of those no one else has the money to "invest".
what does this even mean? you can invest $5 if you want. more initial investment yields greater returns, yes. is that what youre trying to tell me? lol no shit. 7% a year is 7% a year. over 30 years that's an 8x yield. your $5 will be $40, your $5k will be $40k, and your $500k will be $4M. dont worry, youll learn all about this in your personal finance class your freshman year in college.

what am i even doing here. im going to bed.

invest your money kids.
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>>American middle class is really getting fucked. Being a truck driver is basically the last skilled trade that doesn't require years of schooling to get into and pays a wage you can live on.


1. No its not
2. trucking pays shit considering that you're stuck in a mobile cuckshed 28 days a month eating take out and slowly morphing into an obese diabetic who shits in a jug
3 What up with dipshit NEETS circlejerking over the fantasy of "middle class skilled labor" jobs that require no brain power, drive, or skill whatsoever? Sorry you lazy cucks can't get paid $60 an hour to press a button in a factory now go fucking kill yourselves.

>>They're made for long hauls and are superior to human drivers as they never need to stop to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, etc and have a lower collision rate. Most of all though, there's no driver salary or benefits to pay. There's going to be no large corporation that uses human drivers in 10 years, so the market is going to get flooded with them willing to work dirt cheap.

You are either so ignorant about battery technology that you shouldn't have an opinion or are praying a miracle technological break through so you can feel bad about there being "literally no jobs XD". You're probably one of those dumb fuck NEETS who spend at least 8 hours a day bitching about "muh ebil corporashuns muh ebil boomers muh no jerbs " when you can't be fucked to spend 10 minutes to do an application or go into an interview without reeking of weed and unwashed cock.
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>>17874686
You're an idiot with literally 0 finance education or experience. The number one takeaway from anything involving investment in financing is "diversify".
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>>17873423
So how does this work when the semi has to drive further than 100 miles?
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>>17873807
>Second of all in ten years, 200000 cars is all this brilliant company has produced, ten years, thats twenty thousand cars pery year. which is laughable

Koenigsegg must be so laughable with less than 40 cars a year.
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>>17875305
not even the guy you're talking to but that's a compeletely different subject dont be retarded
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>>17873454
>>17873423
Fuck off you Tesla cuck shill.

Musk releasing that underground tunnel freeway video should already reveal what little intelligence he actually has.
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>>17873510
I can't wait until Trump pulls federal funding from Tesla and the other "green" companies you worship.
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>>17873789
Fuck off you fucking shill.

Tesla are such beta fucks that Musk still won't reveal just who gave him a verbal agreement on Hyperloop.

Everyone was laughing out loud when Musk used the term verbal agreement because only agreements written down and signed for a big project actually carry any weight.

It's pretty obvious that Musk says bullshit from time to time because he's afraid his investors will start leaving him.
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>>17873862
>>17874058
>>17874069
>>17874070
>>17874078
Nope, in 10 years, only Japanese automakers will be left and Musk will still be shoveling the big dump they took in his backyard.
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>>17874236
Not even the Middle East would use Tesla trucks.

That says a lot about their low quality and value.
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>>17873423
tesla semi
>450mi range
>no changeable battery
Tesla will finally go backrupt
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>>17875357
dude Elon Musk invented and is producing the super battery since 2015. At least that's what he told people in 2010.
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>>17875371
450 miles range* ** ***

* just the tractor
** downhill
*** in a vacuum
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>>17873703
But I like the product. The fanboys are cunts.
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>>17875416
just like jesus
really makes you think
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>>17874756
Why do you talk as if having tens of thousands of dollars in a single company is normal, it's not. More than half of the adults in America doesn't have enough money ($1000) saved for a emergency, so quit it with this bullshit of "anyone who's worked more than a couple years",

Not a /pol/ack but your whole comment is what people call jewish trickery. You literally can't get dividends worth a damn unless you have tens of thousands of dollars in a single company and other tens of thousands on other companies and so on.
>you can invest any amount you want
The money and time you're gonna lose on this shit is laughable if you are to poor to afford it to begin with. And by to poor I mean don't have enough to spend hundred thousand on stock. A better advice for 90% of world wide anons is don't bother unless you're buying an indexed fund, even better advice is buy treasury bonds if you don't want your money sitting still.
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>>17873682
>EV's might work for regional delivery trucks, but OTR stuff is going to be diesel for many, many years.
Best post so far. Removing the driver is far off. But reducing maintance and fuel cost is significant for regional and urban transport. Not to mention I imagine carbon taxes will become more and more common, especially in Europe.
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>>17875710
Even with 200km range, which the Nissan and Renault vans have, ev commercial vans are not working out for most companies. They're being sold used with less than 20000km on the clock.
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>>17873822
nah, the trailer gets jammed backwards. The biggest problem with the design was simply lack of visibility and that the aerodynamics weren't that good.
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You thing if I got a buddy to ride shotgun with a paintball gun and we shot at the cameras it would force it to stop?
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>>17873929
>measuring companies by their stock
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>>17876465
That is actually a really good point.

What would be stopping a group of a few people in separate vehicles from just blocking the truck in, forcing to stop, and just stealing the goods?
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>>17876525
>/o/ gets a group of all black civics with green underglow lights
>surround and force it to stop
>steal high priced electronics out of the back
>sell
>overnight shitbox parts from japan

or (more realistically)

>ISIS hacks one of these bad boys to run over more people and get away with it
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>>17876538
Isn't that the plot to the original fast and furious?
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>>17876644
thatsthejoke.jpeg
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>>17876650
Imnotasmartman.jay peg
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>>17873757
I was a warehouse bod for IKEA for 7 or 8 months. The logistical train was massive and very little of it was automated.
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>>17876538
>yfw they install a shotgun turret to prevent this
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>>17874499
>humans need rest
>he doesn't know about meth and how it's big with truckers
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>>17877103
that seems to be a pattern with tech companies. they dont know shit outside the rich neighborhoods outside of the bay area
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>>17876525

I've been looking forward to capturing self driving vehicles myself.

I mean, salvage laws are already established. Once a vehicle is incapacitated and no one can operate it, it belongs to whomever takes it.

What a time to be alive. Chicken coops galore
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>>17873435
Same reason I pay attention to Apple. Because I'd never drive one of his shitty cars but I've made almost a three quarters of a million dollars on his stock alone.
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>>17876525
>What would be stopping a group of a few people in separate vehicles from just blocking the truck in, forcing to stop, and just stealing the goods?
Prison?
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>>17878194
How exactly is a driver-less semi gonna call the cops there buddy?
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>>17878542
Are you fucking with me?

Or are you literally retarded.

Protip computers can and do call police. Security systems etc already exist that do just this
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>all these triggered ice cucks
Lmaoing @ ur lyfe
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>>17878542
What if there were autonomous trucks that couldn't drive full of electronic goods? It would be even easier to rob them since they would never move and they would be empty at night. They could call them "stores" or "warehouses." There would be literally nothing preventing people from robbing them. That's why autonomous vehicles will never be a thing.
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>>17873929
>look at me mr. moneybags with 12 shares of TSLA
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>>17878553
For all it knows it ended up running into stop an go traffic. What is the trigger going to be to call the police, opening the door?, how would you set up a system like that without it being triggered by every dockworker that forgets to shut it off?
Even then, what do you think the police response time to an alarm going of on a semi would be, how would the transit company relay the signal to the police quickly?

If you got a 6 man crew, 3 vans, a driver and loader each, cut through the lock, open the doors and could steal a good amount of stuff in just a few minutes.

>>17878583
Stores have security cameras on the outside,inside, metal gates across the doors. The floor space is much more open and products more spaced out, takes longer to grab the goods and run out, and the police know exactly where the store is when the alarm trips.

With semi trailers,you can just cut the lock and you are in, all the merchandise is in a compact space on pallets. You can just pull a van next to it and pull as many boxes as you can, throw them in the back and get out quick. Also would be an increased police response time since they are mobile and can be at any location.
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>>17878713
>it's easier to orchestrate stopping a truck on a public road to rob it than a store in an area that's deserted at night because in the truck everything is stacked up and somehow the thieves know what is inside, as opposed to an electronics store where who knows what could be in there
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>>17878542
>How exactly is a driver-less semi gonna call the cops there buddy?
The 360-deg camera that is monitored by a 24/7 logistics center? They'll still be monitoring the trucks, just instead of one guy driving there will be one guy watching ten cameras/trucks or more and a host of sensors. If a door opens at the wrong point, like on a roadway, the logistics center would know and the cops would be called.
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>>17873423
>be prez of truckers union
>source russian hacker to hack a autonomouse truck causing 100 car pileup
>self driving trucks become banned
>get re-elected

AI for the L
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lithium titanate batteries would allow for fast charges. turn around in one hour for every 100 miles of range.
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>>17879219
>Because you know, trucks don't drive places there's not 4g.
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>>17879219
but then they're still paying a person, the point of driverless trucks is profit.
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>>17879349
Lmao, what 3rd world shithole do you even live in? Probably not one relevant enough to have electric vehicles anyway.
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>>17879349
>I post on 4chan with DSL
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>>17879363
I don't think they're going to pay anybody 10 times a trucker's wage to watch 10 trucks.
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>>17879364
add signal jammer to the few simple mods on one of the civics
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>>17879407
>grasping at civics
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>>17879349
Currently fleet management systems use a combination of satellite-based tracking and cellular. There are certainly problems with autonomous trucking, it's not all roses, but the fear of theft is likely something that's pretty easy to deal with.

>>17879363
I used an example of one guy watching ten trucks, which already is savings by an order of magnitude. In reality, one guy would be watching much much more.
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How heavy and what's the range on it?
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>>17879553
gotta wait for the reveal
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>>17879553
33,000 pounds gross and 100 miles.

it's a drayage truck.




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