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tl;dr your nip cars are more likely to be the DEATHTRAP cuz nips lied about the strength of steel

>Shares in Kobe Steel (KBSTY) slumped 22% in Tokyo on Tuesday after the company admitted faking data about the quality of some of its aluminum and copper products.

>Investors ditched the stock after the firm said 4% of products shipped over the 12 months to August 31 didn't comply with specifications agreed with customers, including Toyota (TM), Honda (HMC) and Nissan (NSANF).

>The industrial scandal engulfing Kobe Steel Ltd. began to reverberate overseas as Japan’s third-biggest steelmaker said its staff falsified data about the strength and durability of some aluminum and copper products used in planes, trains and potentially a space rocket.

>Toyota said it has found Kobe Steel materials, for which the supplier falsified data, in hoods, doors and peripheral areas. “We are rapidly working to identify which vehicle models might be subject to this situation and what components were used,” Toyota spokesman Takashi Ogawa said. “We recognize that this breach of compliance principles on the part of a supplier is a grave issue.”

>Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. spokesman Genki Ono said Kobe Steel aluminum was used in the MRJ regional jet as well as the H-IIA rocket, which was launched by Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency on Tuesday for a satellite.
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>>18022137
Not just Japanese cars... looks like Ford and GM are also customers of Kobe Steel.
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>>18022142
>>18022137
>Nip companies doing bad things
Better not crash your car... if the Takata airbag doesn't kill you, the fake Kobe Steel aluminum may get you.
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>>18022137
Is that why the Japanese car doors sound cheap when you close them?
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>as well as the H-IIA rocket, which was launched by Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency on Tuesday for a satellite.

>be orbiting earth
>get letter in space mailbox
>fucking recall
>have to go back to earth
>they don't have any satellites or rockets, give you an Outlander as your loaner
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>>18022162
>>18022137

>These guys are directly screwing up their own country's ambitions in the commercial aviation sector and space program.

This news certainly isn't going to help the Japanese aviation sector. What a shame.

Say good bye to Gundam and Nip Space program.
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>>18022162
>Outlander
Since Subaru is under Toyota, Outlander is affected too.

>>18022201
picrelated: When German/American carmakers' face on this news, and Nip seppuku inbound.
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Are their execs at least gonna an hero over this?
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yikes.

As of this afternoon here is what the auto OEMs are saying:

Toyota: Kobe alloys used across multiple vehicles in applications such as hoods and back door structures, etc. They are confirming if further action is required.

Nissan: Similar to above but with added applications in the doors. They are confirming if the suspect alloys will have an impact on pedestrian protection performance.

FHI: As above with added implications in their aerospace products.

If it is found that KOBELCO components have a negative impact on the performance and/or durability, there is the possibility of a large recall.

Source: Response
https://response.jp/article/2017/10/11/300892.html

If our iQ is recalled I am going to demand a FULL REFUND.
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>>18022142
weird, i dont see bmw, audi, or mercedes on that list.
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another reason why you should never buy japshit cars. literal tin cans
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>>18022264
They don't use Kobe Steel to make the cars. They have a long-term contracts with ThyssenKrupp, one of the world's largest steel producers.
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>>18022260
>If our iQ is recalled I am going to demand a FULL REFUND.

You bought an iQ, they ain't gonna refund you shit because they already know your a cuck.
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>>18022294
just making a dumbass comment about how the cars everyone hates on here are the ones not made out of repackaged aluminum foil.
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Seems to be something rotten in Japanese corporate culture with this, Takata, and Nissan's issue.
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>spend two generations rebuilding country from decimated shithole to trusted industrial powerhouse
>shithead boomers throw it down the toilet
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>>18022777
Along with Mitsubishi and Suzuki falsifying fuel economy numbers, Olympus accounting scandal, TEPCO fuckup, and other events that are ruining Japan's reputation when it's the only advantage that they have vs. China.
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>>18022777
The "Lost-Decade(s)" slump of the Japanese economy began several decades ago. Japan was having a slow decline for a while now due to an aging population and increasing competition from South Korea and China.

The only reason why they are still "good" is that their 70-80's boom set Japan really high. Japan's service sector was the first to take a hit during the 1990's decline, then electronics (nobody buys their tv's anymore and they can't even make cellphones), and the decline's symptoms are just starting to show in their manufacturing.
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>>18022868
The crazy thing is any day now that shit is going to happen to America and we're massively inter-connected with the economies of like 95% of the world. That's going to be a BAD fucking day.
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>>18022896
Even if you're in a country that initially benefits from the American economy getting Shrek'd it'll loop around and fuck your shit up after a few months to a year tops. America experienced the reverse of that after WW1, we had a big boom in the 1920s because all of our industrial competitors got bombed back 100 years but that shit caught back up in 1929. There were other factors of course, but we only had 11 years of prosperity because we made piles of cash off the war and were otherwise nowhere near as inter-connected as we are now.

Good time to invest a little money into a decent pistol and fighting rifle.
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>>18022896
Well several differences: unlike Japan, America has more than enough manpower in the workforce, while the Japanese government is now encouraging retired people to come back to work.

America has all the natural resources it needs in their own land, while Japan has little to none (reason why they decided to focus on an export-manufacture economy). The comfort in resources is the reason why America can sit back and dominate the world's service industry, while still being rich without manufacturing.

Japan depends on manufacturing. Japan will suffer. America still has its new and uprising competitors (China and South Korea) to trade with. America has options while Japan does not. America will be fine.
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>why do you want such an old car anon?
>why not get something new instead of that old shitbox?
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>>18022931
I still see it happening because our monetary policy has been inside out levels of retarded. The Japs did what they could with what they had and still ate it, while we have every possible resource but we're being completely retarded with it.

Or maybe I just think the grass is greener. I just always imagined Japan as a place that while not perfect is at least run very competently.
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>>18022931
Well the only loss America will feel from a failing Japanese economy is the loss of customers for American goods and services.

Japan doesn't buy American manufactured goods, so they will not be impacted. Produce will take a minor hit, but because Japan imports most fruits from South America and wheat/legumes from Asia, American farmers will not be directly impacted.

American services will have a hit though. Anyways, if China loses customers and money, America will be indirectly affected (lose Chinese customers). But it's not going to be that bad as others say for America.
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>>18022946
1974 Glorious Nippon steel everything, folded 10000 times. Fuck new cars.
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>>18022304
nobody hates them because of the steel, they're hated because they're poorly designed.
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>>18022946
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>>18022969
pic related 2017 camry
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>>18022954
>find cool old car
>immediately plaster it in boomer-tier """"accessories"""" like gauge pods and shift handle
>back up this amazingly shit taste with a good helping of weeb shit
Looking forward to seeing your drift charm collection on instagram my friend!
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>>18023124
thank you!
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>>18023124
Holy shit that salt. I just wanted a clock with temp gauge and a compass.
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>>18022957
Yeah, nothing screams "properly designed" like constructing your cars out of Reynolds Wrap.
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>>18022868
They can make cell phones and they make really good cell phones! for absolute normies who spend more time hanging out with real people than playing video games and browsing twitter.

Even japanese milennials hate japanese phones
>wow, does this even have niconicodouga?
>it has speed dial and national television, washimoto-chan.
>nani the fuck is that senpai? is it like fruit ninja desu?
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>>18023162
>Own BMW
>VANOS seals are made of reynolds wrap
>rear subframe is spot welded with big league chew
>shift pin bushings are carefully carved from rubber erasers by german engineers
>water pump is actually a micro-jew in a hamster wheel, created with secret nazi technology, and needs frequent replacement
>"at least we didn't buy that one bad batch of kobe steel"
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>>18022137
Knowing Japs they are probably freaking out over 5% mismatch in numbers which is not a big deal.
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>>18022137

If say Toyota/Honda/Ford/GM used this crap steel in say the saftey support system of one of its cars. Wouldnt NHTSA, or IIHS be testing those cars after that steel was already in use anyways? Most likely the automakers didnt know therefore they would have sent out random cars off the assembly lines anyways. So the under spec'd metal would have been tested??

Lawyers going to cash in for sure anyways
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>>18022137
B-but my Jap q-quality
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>>18022235
>>18022225
>seppuku inbound
The irony, if they’re made to do it with knives made from Kobe Steel.
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>>18022301
Nope. I will find the most vindictive lawyer and eviscerate your beloved shit, Nip, taking their money and dignity.

>>18023222
>Lawyers going to cash in for sure anyways
I will ensure that will happen!
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>>18023215
When it comes to materials engineering, any deviation from spec is bad, because it can lead to failure of the thing that you make from the materials. That's a big problem when you're talking about shit like aircraft frames. Worse, lying about the quality of the materials is bad juju. The reason why you'd buy from a JP supplier like Kobe vs some Chinese company is that the Chinese are infamous for lying about shit like metallurgy, so with them you have to pay a small army of dudes to do 100% QC on the shit you buy. With Japanese suppliers, they'd earned the rep for delivering exactly on spec, so you didn't have to worry about doing your own QC as much, if at all. Now, companies are going to be more skeptical of the quality of Japanese shit, as will consumers. If this kind of shit keeps happening, Japan is set back four decades.
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>>18023227
>The knife breaks mid-seppuku
>Stuck in excruciating pain with half a knife blade in your abdomen
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>>18022809
American, Japan, and most of the EU. Funny how that works.
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>>18023227
Then they need Solingen Knife. :^)
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Don't car manufacturers test the steel they buy. I work replacing rust in barges and container ships and we have to test all the steel that comes in or the boat insurance dude will rape you.
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>>18022137
Nip cars have been absolute death traps for the past 20 years. They get dozens of recalls on every single car and there's plenty of issues that the cars are never recalled for because they'll only kill a handfull of people so lawsuits won't be as expensive as doing a recall.

Don't drive nip cars. Takata should've been the last straw.
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>>18023294
Is that writing really necessary
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>>18023272
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>>18023294
or even better one that ensures that seppuku inbound
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>>18023317
no, it will trigger liberals, weeaboos, and nips.
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>>18023321
>>18023227
So much for glorious Nippon steel, folded over 1000 meme
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>>18022155
>Is that why the Japanese car doors sound cheap when you close them?
possible, but Jap cars are known as the tin cans.
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>>18023187
>Own BMW
>car will literally rip out suspension attachment points (trailing arms, rear shock towers, subframe) under hard driving
>still considered the ultimate driving machine
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>>18023415
Sounds like other cars do the same thing.
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This could be bigger than Takata airbags or dieselgate but I bet it will be grossly undercovered by (((news agencies.)))
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>>18022225
Subaru is owned by Fuji, is it not?
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>>18024783

>what are BRZ and GT86

>Toyota Motor toy will pay $311 million to raise its stake in Subaru parent Fuji Heavy Industries to 16.5%, and the two companies said Thursday that they will develop cars together.
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Four of the machines at work are Kobelcos
>concern.jpg
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>>18022137
I'm really curious how far this rabbit hole goes...

Did Kobe overstate the material properties up front during initial development? If so, many automotive and aerospace companies do their own materials characterization, so this gap in material properties could have already been accounted for in the design.

Or, did Kobe provide material that met the requirements during development, and then during mass production produced material that didn't meet spec. If so, this could be a big problem. Although I'm surprised it would take this long to be caught. Many OEMs perform incoming receiving inspections or random audits on materials.

It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds and what specifically the gaps were to the material spec.
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>>18024932
Yep. Couple all of this with a long(ish) period of time and the issues could be huge. This may be bigger than dieselgate. This could destroy the reputation of Japan for sure.

Rabbit hole indeed.
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>>18024912
well, you should. no more worry-free.
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>>18022954
>weeb
I hope you crash
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>>18024947
Well the myth of Japanese invincibility ended for me during the massive Toyota recalls of late 2000/early 2010's.

Anyways, I still trust them more than, lets say Chinese and American cars. lol
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>>18024932
>Although I'm surprised it would take this long to be caught.
You gotta remember in today's fortune 500 management career climate people only work at a place for maybe 2-3 years before moving up or out. No one has the time or resources to gives a fuck about actual performance, quality workmanship or product meeting specs since their boss' boss only care about numbers and product safety is someone else's problem.
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>>18025975
That type of corruption is what ruined Mitsubishi automotive. It had decade after decade of managers falsifying info in order to get their short term benefits or to boost their retirement packages just as they were about to retire. Once retired with the higher rewards, they don't have to care. After decades of scandals, Mitsubishi motors sucked so much it faded away and had to be sold to Nissan primarily for its dealership chain and their locations.
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fuck kobelco
look at what their engineers think is an acceptable drawing
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>>18024872
So a minority stake? Not exactly owning them.
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merican cars are the most reliable cars unironically for the past 10 years. Well GM and ford are.
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>>18022142
>Not just Japanese cars... looks like Ford and GM are also customers of Kobe Steel.

Well, you can always switch to buying chinese steel or chinese aluminum.... As for chinese cars, Chery had a copycat of GM's Daewoo car eat up car sales. But then Chery tried to expand into other markets by trying to cheat crash test results. Chery took a GM Daewoo car, modded it a bit, and then re-skinned it with their Chery exterior and interior cabin. They then submitted that GM car as their own for the crash performance testing.

So just because chinese steel meets test results doesn't mean they don't try to switch items on you later on.
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>>18022137
>Kobe Steel makes nuclear reactor and used fuel handling components currently in service at over half of all US reactors.
Fuck, this is going to cause a lot of paperwork for me.
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>>18026462
why you?
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>>18026475
Nuclear safety related paperwork is a bitch.
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>>18026525
why do you have to do any paperwork about that? its not new.
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>>18022137
retard it says they lied about aluminium and copper not steel
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>>18026447
that's some low ass shit
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>>18026539
10 CFR Part 21.

You have to reconcile the worst case to make sure you don’t have to decommission whatever is installed. That’s a lot of analysis.
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>>18024726
>>18024947
>dieselgate
explain
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>>18023124
>being this salt
>neglecting the worst offender: sticker on glovebox
the rest come off fairly easily
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>>18022137
>aluminum and copper products

protip, this is not the same as steel.
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>>18026622
>>18026553
>cars don't have any aluminum and copper
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>>18026682
>>>nips lied about the strength of steel
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>>18026423
Jesus.
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>>18026566
Enjoy documenting about a billion chip samples.
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KOREA WINS AGAIN
HIGH STRENGTH GOOK STEEL STRAIGHT FROM KANGAROO LAND
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>>18026713
A huge metals company should never lie about their metallurgy in the first place. Especially one that is supplying materials for spaceships.

This is more a matter of trust and reputation of a country's manufacturing than anything. Lying makes them no different from Chinese companies.
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>>18022137
so much for glorious nippon steel folded 1000 times huh?
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>>18022225
>subaru
>outlander

what
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>>18026826
they have forgotten their ancestors and must commit sudoku
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>>18024783
Fuji changed their name to Subaru Corporation this April.

>>18022225
Outbacks are made in Indiana, which uses American steel. That is, if you meant to say Outback. Outlanders are Japanese built Mitsubishis.
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>>18026858
So, subarus are affected, or not?

I own a brz, and i don't know if i should worry, or not.
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>>18026571
Dieselgate was when VW tuned the computer on there diesels to sense when they were being tested for emissions and drastically change the running characteristics and thus pollution output of there diesel engines. This cucked Europe so hard that it directly led to the EU pushing all electric in so many countries because they feel they no longer can trust manufacturers.

How can you not know this, it's the biggest piece of auto news since the slushbox.
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>>18026876
It's just the aluminum in doors and hoods produced in the 12 months leading up to this past August 31st. This article say Subaru is affected (meaning their factory in Otā, Gunma) but it doesn't list any specific models. In America, the models you can buy that were built in Japan include the Forester, WRX/STi, and BRZ. The Impreza/Crosstrek and Legacy/Outback are built in Indiana.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/11/japan-kobe-steel-scandal-ford-toyota-honda-mazda-boeing
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>>18026913
Great, this would mean that recall is comming.
I own a 2017 brz, btw.
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>>18022868
The lost decade is a product of the BOJ to become independent of the ministry of finance and to reform Japan from a state regulated economy to one of a more american style of economics. The Japanese ran a war economy post 50s that enjoyed the features of long employment and stable work. The "lost decade" was created by the BOJ by printing assloads of yen then making a huge amount of non-GDP based loans. Thats the reason why in Japan in the late 80s people in their 20s could buy 3/4 mansions(condos). When people asked for loans from banks the banks would give them "excess money" upwards of more than 100,000usd more than they asked for. Once the real estate bubble popped the BOJ then proceeded to insure messures that the economy wouldnt recover until there was complete reform of the monetary system to a more western one. This did happen 1998 and afterwards you saw dumb shit like Koizumi and his "no recovery without reform" motto.
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>>18026423
What's wrong with it
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>>18026897
i just never knew it by the dieselgate name
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>Ctrl f
>Mazda
>0 results

I swear every week there is different news that proves without a shadow of a doubt that Mazda is the realest nigga in the game right now, is any other manufacturer even trying?
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And people fucking ask why I'd rather drive a 15 year old shitbox
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>>18022260
Damn it. My car is actually from GRORIOUS NIPPON, so it might be directly affected by this bullshit.
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>>18026958
no given radiuses for one
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>>18026792
I don't disagree

doesn't change the fact that op is illiterate
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>>18022954
>odometer misses quads by one

so close
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>>18026447
the chinese are scam artists with no qualms about fucking people. there was a screenshotted thread around here of some guy who had to deal with the chinese and steel imports. It was a nightmare and quality was all over the place, and one shipment where only the top piece was in spec and the rest was shit metal.
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>>18027032
>Mazda is the realest nigga
Maybe they trust less and test all their metal ingots not just the top and bottom one of a stack of ingots. With more testing, the scam seller becomes less willing to cheat. At least until they can figure out who is doing the testing and bribe that employee directly.
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Looking at suvs today. So i guess nothing from japs or american?
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>>18027388
Or you can wait for next year's models to be made without the out of spec metal. What will probably happen is that the companies will grease some politician palms and the judges will make a legal ruling in japan that it is okay to sell the cars as they are. It will be said that the cars were built with more than enough safety leeway to accommodate the problem. Not that any consumer can prove otherwise. But a legal ruling would kill off most lawsuits.
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>>18026830
>>18026858
oh i see my bad... however, Outlander is affected too because mitsubishi is one of Kobe Steel's top customers. see >>18022142
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>>18027388
Do you have any kids? If so, you better don't buy nip or murica shitbox because of this news. Won't somebody please think of the children?!?

Otherwise, buy nip for killing yourself.
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>>18027135
aint 4channers got time for verifying them. They want simple, quick rundown. OP is still correct.
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>>18027032
>Honda said it had used material subject to the falsifications from Kobe Steel in car doors and hoods, while Mazda Motor Corp. confirmed it uses aluminum from the company. Suzuki Motor Corp. and Mitsubishi Motors Corp. all said they are checking whether their vehicles are affected.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/10/10/business/corporate-business/kobe-steels-admission-falsified-data-sends-shock-waves-manufacturers-across-japan/

Any Japanese company that uses aluminum is almost certainly affected.
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>>18028790
>you better don't buy nip or murica shitbox
No problem. Even with the faulty metal purity (steel, aluminum, copper) and faulty alloy content (steel, aluminum), the cars meet safety specs. By the way, the government will quietly relax the safety spec for those multiple years' cars!!!

Remember the Fukushima radiation scare and contaminated food and water? The Japanese government made the water and food safe by lowering the radiation standards to permit up to 10 times more radiation than before! It also lowered standards for worker exposure to radiation so that existing workers can continue working in radioactive areas! If things are unsafe, change the standards to make it safe!!!! The USA radiation standards were much more lax than japan's so of course USA seafood remained within safe exposure limits.

Remember Spock in the old Star Trek movie where he got radiation sickness? The Federation should have simply done what the japanese and USA governments did with radiation standards. If the Federation simply changed the radiation exposure laws to allow 100000x more radiation to be considered safe, then Spock would never had suffered radiation sickness!!!! Those stupid Federation people should have learned from Japan and the USA! Just change the laws to allow more radiation and then it will be legally safe!

Same with the steel and aluminum. Standards will be relaxed for those years by law changes. So no recall needed except for a few things!!! When in doubt, make it safe by changing the legal standards!!!!! The method is so good. Everyone should do it more! Deregulation is good.
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>>18029031
Oh, and the MX-5 uses a shitton of Al everywhere, from the chassis to the body. Pic related. Anything in red and yellow is an Al alloy of some sort. Red indicates stuff that was also Al in the NC. Yellow means they went with Al for the ND instead of steel.

What really sucks about this is that Al inevitably fails after some number of fatigue cycles, and typically has a very low fatigue limit. So, the components made from Kobe Al could fail earlier than intended. Typically, the number of cycles before failure is extremely large, but we'll probably never know what the original specification was and how much any affected components deviate.

Mazda hasn't said much about where they've used Kobe Al alloys, aside from hoods.

Kobe has also admitted it has found fabricated data on iron powder used to make gears. Who knows, maybe that's why the ND's transmission has a habit of blowing up.
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>>18029032
Looks legit.
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>>18029115
I wonder if this affects bikes too? The whole frame on one is aluminum alloy.

Quality japanese metallurgy.

>kawasaki man, best bang for your buck!
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>>18029115
That would be the largest and most expensive recalls. Others would be extremely pissed off because the resale value of those cars would be really bad. More class-action lawsuits. :^)
This whole news would make the VW scandal looking a fuckin joke.
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>>18029131
>ride 636
>second gear explodes after 10 thousand clutch-using miles on the clock
>my friend's F4i gets powershifted literally all of the time without a fuel cut and is doing fine

fucking bikes
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>>18029032
If they do that, they will lost my respect and me as one of their customers.
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>>18026771
and you gave up the nip market cuz you had trouble competing against nips and krauts car makers in Japan.
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>>18029032
>muh chevy commercials
Aluminum crumpling on beds like this is a feature, believe it or not. Its better for a bed to absorb the shock of a heavy object than for it to bounce back like it usually does when dropped from any height on a steel bed. It being aluminum makes it easy to repair as well as being lighter overall.
But thats a truck bed, the case with Kobelco is very bad since it encompasses vital pieces of the frame on many cars.
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>>18029141
tfw i clutchless shift my pos cheap af 125cc pitbike literally every upshift and it's doing just fine
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>>18027388
German ones are fine cuz they are made of KRUPP STEEL.
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>>18029115
>powdered metal tranny gears
I really would hope they're not sintered steel gears in a fucking car transmission, I don't think Mazda would fuck up that hard
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>>18022167
Wtf is that on the right? Looks like majora's mask
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>>18022137
Oh hey I work for the rotating machinery division of Kobelco in the US
I didn't think I'd see my company on /o/
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>>18029216
What is your reaction on this news?
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>>18029220
I'm not too suprised considering the attitudes of some of the executives that Japan sends us.
My division is financially independent from Kobe Steel, but hopefully we won't see a drop in contracts from this.
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>>18029233
If I were you, I better look for a job ASAP. Being associated with Kobe Steel would make your resume looking bad to the future employers.
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>>18029242
>totalshit.txt
Why comment on something you know nothing about lol, you think his future employers will think he personally fucked up steel quality in a company he didn't even work for
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>>18029242
I'm a fresh engineer with less than a year of experience. I think jumping ship on the company too early would look worse on my resume than working for them
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what is it with the gooks acting like chinks all the sudden? the recalls, scandals, shitsubishi, Nissan, takata, now this
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>>18029294
Angry at Americans for insisting that cars must be safe and therefore making fun cars a legal impossibility

>Burger: Mr. Sushiramen, I'm sorry, but this five hundred pound go-kart just won't pass the NHTSA's tests.
>nip: why would anyone buy it expecting safety? it's clearly not built for it.
>Burger: All cars sold in America must be safe for our children to drive and that's it!
>nip: hai, i wakarimasen that. *sells crossovers with defective airbags and weak frames*
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>>18029032
Nice, but tone down the exclamation marks they make it too obvious.
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muh reliable japonese cars. lol
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>>18029207
This reminds me weren't the first NDss out having transmissions go kaboom, And the problem was gears with out of spec metallurgy?
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>>18029330
>ford
>GM

muh american steel
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>>18022137
IT'S OVER JAPAN IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

GO BACK YOUR HOMES
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>>18029163
>Aluminum crumpling on beds like this is a feature, believe it or not. Its better for a bed to absorb the shock of a heavy object than for it to bounce back like it usually does when dropped from any height on a steel bed. It being aluminum makes it easy to repair as well
No.
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>>18029197
More like KRAPP
XDD
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>>18030425
>americans not only so retarded they buy pickup trucks
>they are so retarded they are incapable of not dropping shit like retards to the extent where companies have to interfere
>they are so retarded they believe a weaker shitty made bed that breaks when they drop their 40 pound XXL tub of butter on is some ingenious safety feature
I bet you think drag racing is an actual race too
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>>18023187
>micro Jew in a hamster wheel
Lel
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>>18029197
>German ones are fine cuz they are made of KRUPP STEEL.
More like they are better at coverups and not having whistleblowers. Volkswagon and Audi faked their way thru testing and it was the foreigners in california doing periodic emissions testing that revealed the data cheating in both volkswagon and audi.
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>>18030520
At least, they don't cause harm.
>>18030442
>triggered weeb cuz his nipcar is now deathtrap.
Suck it up. XDD
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>>18029197
Soon the be British Steel.

Krupp having to be saved by the British industries again.
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>>18030566
>British Steel
You mean pooinloo steel. It is a 50-50 joint venture.
>British industries

>British
>industries
pick only one
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>>18029343
Still better than japcrap
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>>18030594
Maggie pls stay dead
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>>18029032
The radiation released from Fukushima is minimal at best and our current standards are set to be conservatively low since we essentially stopped doing significant research in the 70s with Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, on top of this anti-Nuclear activists funded by Oil and Coal ,(and to a significant extent now green energy companies), have a vested interest in keeping the public scared of radiation or anything nuclear, in reality it's the cheapest (barring excessive regulation) and cleanest form of energy generation out there.
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>>18029294
Take your pick: Incredibly shitty corporate culture, pressure to make profit leading to corners cut, Chinese corporate espionage/sabotage, or all of the above. I once worked for a Japanese software firm that got undermined and nearly destroyed by Chinese working with a Japanese shit head in upper management who was close to retirement and wanted to pad his nest egg, and the systemic nature of what happened at Kobelco makes me suspicious that one of their competitors fucked them in a similar fashion.
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>>18030738
Back in the 80-90's, Japan had no peers. Now with Western manufacturing making a rebound and having very close competitors right next door (China and Korea), Japan was forced to cut corners.

Although I wish Japan stayed competitive through maintaining highest quality, not cheaper quantity. I guess the "cheap but reliable" plan wasn't going to last forever as that doesn't make profits.
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>>18030766
Even Germany couldn't stay competitive via quality, even though they are able to charge a premium. Between corporate greed and consumers who want the cheapest shit, it's kind of a miracle that we ever get nice things.
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>"Glourious" Nippon steel folded only 99 times
WTF I hate Japan now




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