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Is there any sufficient evidence that this knuckledragger's hackjobs do anything above making these Porsches undriveable let alone faster?
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I mean wide-bodies allow you to run more rubber, which (especially for air-cooled 911s) usually equates to faster laptimes
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>>19129151
there's sufficient evidence that they do not do anything other than making these Porsches undriveable let alone faster

death to that booger-welding silicone-loving rice nigger
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>>19129159
/thread
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>>19129157
Saying a rauh welt is better because its wide body allows more rubber is like saying stance is better because camber helps handling.
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r....red pill me on rwb? He looks like a cool dude who smokes likes cars and working on them.
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>>19129182
do you have a single clue about what you're talking about, you silly contrarian?
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If you turn and go forward, then it's driveable retard.
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>>19129443
I'm a pro welder and this is a pretty decent job
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>>19129443
Wtf is that
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>>19129151
I hate stancefags but see nothing wrong with RWB. Cars aren’t sacred, and definitely not 911s, how many times do you need to be reminded of this?
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Threads like these remind me that most people on /o/ really don't know anything about cars and just want to be validated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0T10vyLeO8
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>>19129460
Yes you idiot
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>>19129595
>hate stancefags
>see nothing wrong with RWB

are you retarded or something? RWB is the fucking epitome of "stance"
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>>19129616
if you take a stancefagged civic and give it to Spoon of course they'll make it fast

the vast majority of RWB-bodied cars are worse off in performance than the unmodified car, he personally does nothing but shitty aesthetic modifications
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>>19129157
more rubber means more drag/friction
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>>19129622
>has no clue what stance even is
Why are you even posting? Lurk moar
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>>19129622
no, it's absolutely not you fucking chimp
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>>19129622
>intentionally misses my main point about cars not being sacred to say something retarded
Never change /o/
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>>19129643
It is stance though, All aesthetics and dropping things low as they can go with no regard to functionality.
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>>19129637
Hurr durr why does a bodykit company install bodykits?

Never understand you faggots.
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>>19129660
>still doesn’t know what stance is
>is still posting
Are you just so new that you don’t know what “lurk moar” means?

It means browse without posting, because newfags like you who don’t know anything will just say retarded shit without thinking.
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>>19129677

>>19129622 Is Not the same anon as >>19129660, genius.

Again stance is a range of aesthetic alterations that typically include fitting wider wheels onto car that was not designed for them and then dropping the car as low as possible with varying degrees of camber and fender flares to achieve said goals.

And not that it makes any difference to the definition, but Nakai is fucking worshipped by the stance community at large, which means that his work is by and large accepted by the stance community.
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>>19129151

check out this video of the cars literally falling to pieces on the track! haha what absolute pieces of shit!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSR6fP-Jh7o
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>>19129726
Accepting something doesn’t mean it’s a part of it. If you weren’t retarded, you’d understand that.
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>>19129443
Sorry but I ignore anything said by tripfaggots out of self respect. Can someone validate this?

>>19129726
VEEDUUBS on airbags and 19"chrome rims are stance. RWB with wide tires and wide body kit running hard at tracks are not. Ive always seen it as an omage to older race cars. Still waiting for the redpill on rwb...is the work actually shitty?
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>>19129757
>RWB with wide tires and wide body kit running hard at tracks

Funny how that's called "track stance" then.

But since we're on the subject pray tell me who's the leader of Violent?
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>>19129778
Every car has stance though.
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>>19129669
>>19129644
>>19129643
>>19129757

fucking idiots, the point is that at baseline RWB makes the cars worse, and personally can't build a capable car

can an actual racing company take one of his abortions and turn it into a racecar? yes

just like a race shop could take Pablo's riced out civic and turn it into an actual racecar
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>>19129860
Sorry you're a retard for expecting a bodykit company to be building race cars.
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which is to say, Pablo is not a fucking race car builder
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>>19129869
retard, OP asked if RWB makes the cars worse - the answer is yes

then some retard went - but look here's a RWB racecar! (that was not built by him)
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>>19129869
so you admit RWB is nothing but stancefaggery then? thank fuck
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>>19129879
But they don't, if anything they make it better since the suspension is usually upgraded. After that it's up to the owner.

But we get, it's cool to be contrarian.
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>>19129860
I understand your post, I am just waiting for the redpill evidence on this. I dont see rwb as a "race car" company like RUF, more like a smallish japanese tuning shop with style and a focus on a particular image. This is because everything I've ever seen on it has been focused on body work and maybe some supension, not like top secret and its main focus on speed, or other companies testing models on wind tunnels and spending fortunes to lower track times by a couple of seconds.
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>>19129886
>But we get, it's cool to be contrarian.
These faglord nip war criminals have absolute shit on anyone like RUF, SInger, etc and it's embarrassing weebfags bring them up in the same breath whenever they get mentioned.
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>>19129901
>comparing bodykit company to tuners

I don't get it, if anything is embarrasing it's watching kids shit on them to try and look cool.

Man fuck all y'all, Wings West would kill Mugen, Spoon, Re Amemiya, Mine's, or any other tuner. lmfao
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>>19129913
the issue here isn't that RWB is necessarily bad for not being a tuner, it's more that RWB is treated as a tuner by their fanboys.
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>>19129961
For some reason.

Promodet does the performance side of their cars in Japan. For those that don't know they're the guys who did the work on some Mid Night Porsches back in the day.
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>>19129860
Putting Civic Type R bodywork on a base Civic would make it worse too, I'm not sure what that really proves. The body guy isn't really responsible for people having shit builds.

I feel like you're overestimating how well engineered old 911s were from the factory anyways, some of them actually are just flat out undertired to start with.
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>>19129991
>The body guy isn't really responsible for people having shit builds
see >>19129961

>Putting Civic Type R bodywork on a base Civic would make it worse
that's the point, genius

realistically the last truly "undertired" 911 was the 930 turbo, and that had more to do with tire technology of the time

if pablo puts some fatass meats on his widebody civic with a stock motor, of course it'll increase mechanical grip
again, that doesn't make him a fucking racecar builder
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>>19129616
Driving a car on a racetrack does not mean it's fast or useable. Nor does it mean every modification made to the car contributes to an increase in performance
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>>19129443
there is nothing wrong with this
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>>19129151
no, and i don't think that's the aim. although it does look just like any crazy TT or racecar aero
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>>19130386
This
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>>19130386
ikr, would perform the same with stock tires and wheels.
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>>19129443
Is this a real weld from him?
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>>19134355
No, have an actual RWB exhaust.
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>>19129182
Are you retarded? Stance reduces contact patch whereas wider tires at a reasonable camber increase grip [usually] equating to better corner exit speeds
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>>19134371
Stance =/= excessive camber even in any way.
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>>19129182
He didn't say it was better faggot. He said the widebody allows for more rubber. Which is 100% true.
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>>19134384
>Stance =/= excessive camber even in any way.
Looks like you answered my question for me
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>>19134415
It's cool, you're just another ignorant retard on /o/ who doesn't know anything about cars. You are in plentiful company here.
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>>19134430
>inb4 only pretending to be retarded
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>>19129639
guess what dickhead friction also means grip
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>>19134455
I know you're not pretending, you're just retarded. It's cool, surface dwelling normies don't know much about cars beyond what they hear.
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Stance has nothing to do with camber, you can have 0 camber and still be stanced. Stance is all about fitment. There's a reason the phrase is "offset is everything" not "camber is everything".
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>>19134486
Stretches wheels with protruding wheel lip still makes you look like a tool. Enjoy your curb rash and shitty handling while everyone laughs at you
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>>19134492
Enjoy your ugly shitbox while I and everyone with taste laughs at you lol.
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>>19134462
Literally the top page of stancenation
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>>19134366
the design is awful but there is nothing wrong with those welds
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>>19134501
Cool, stance still has nothing to do with camber.
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>>19134498
>ugly shitbox
>posts the ugliest shitbox I've seen in a long time
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>>19134510
Ok, so sometimes you ricer faggots prefer to ruin your cars' handling and look retarded by heinously stretched tires rubbing on your fender liners
>mfw your image still has ~-3 degrees of camber
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>>19134511
Eh, people on /o/ have some of the worst taste in the entire auto world. Your opinion doesn't have much weight with me.
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>>19134530
Not even a lot of camber lol,
>wikipedia

OK norman how about learning about cars for real lmao. And stop being autistic with the

>iT'S rUIneD BEcause I DON'T like it.

Immature shit.
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>>19134536
Why don't you tell me exactly what your unfairly cherrypicked definition of stance is then?
>implying stretched tires don't ruin handling
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>>19134561
Can't help it if you're stupid and don't know anything. Stance has never meant excessive camber. But you're probably some dumb kid who learned about it in the past few years. Also can't help if you're too dumb to figure what stance is already. The water is in your face but you're to dumb to drink it.

/o/'s average intelligence has dropped so much I fucking swear. It's almost a chore dealing with you idiots
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>>19134574
Ok then, put down the vape and tell me what stance means then. I know it isn't /always/ excessive camber, but I never said it was, just that
>stance != excessive camber in any way
is dead wrong
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>>19134596
No it's not kid, even already gave you the answer. You can have a stanced car without camber. It's about the offset dipshit.
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>>19134574
Stance =/= fitment
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>>19134616
Uhh, yeah it does, holy shit /o/ is retarded.
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>>19134606
>all about the offset
Wow, just like anything and everything that has to do with wheels! Let me remind you that stance is a very different thing than fitment in general

Give me a real fucking answer
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Stance is literally all about fitment.

>>19134626
Braindead fucktard.
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>>19134622
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>>19134640
>/o/ never educated themselves and have posted the same shit for 6 years.

lmao
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>>19134622
>>19134634
So this is stanced, then? GM engineers chose the fitment
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>>19134648
>every car has fitment so it's stanced

Jeez, can't make this stuff up. Next you're going to tell me offroad stance isn't a thing.
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>>19134652
>stance is literally all about fitment
>stance == fitment
Prove that truck isn't stanced.

I've asked three times now for an actual definition of stance. You'd better provide one this time
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>>19134663
Has shit fitment, not stanced,
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>>19134678
>shit fitment
Just like this car...unless you mean to tell me this isn't stance?
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>>19134685
that's slammed, not stance
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>>19134685
That's not shit fitment.
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If your fender is between lip and tire you on point.
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>>19134706
do they just pull out the shocks and springs and weld the control arms in place?
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>>19134691
>implying
Tell me exactly what makes that (and by extension, this picture WHICH SAYS STANCE ON IT) not stance.
>>19134696
>implying

I love how you stancefags still won't give me an answer as to what stance is. It sure does make your argument strong!
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>>19134706
>hit speed bump
>fucking die
>one less stancefag
Doing god's work anon
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This is literally the perfect stanced fitment.

>>19134710
Airbags or go stiff.

>>19134715
Who's said camber can't be a part of a stanced car? I said it's not a requirement. It's almost like there are different styles of stance.
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>>19134733
>Airbags or go stiff.
even the stiffest fucking springs on the market wouldn't prevent a bump from shoving that rim though the rear quarterpanel. that must be welded...
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>>19134740
Ride them bumpstops buddy.
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>>19134733
>Who's said camber can't be a part of a stanced car? I said it's not a requirement. It's almost like there are different styles of stance.
This guy did: >>19134691
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>>19134486
>>19134498
that looks shit
t. Wheel salesman
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>>19134842
Post your idea of good looking then, I'm sure I will think it looks like shit. Salesmen aren't known for good taste.
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>>19134685
don’t worry
you are correct
when people come into my shop no one refers to wanting their cars having a better “stance”
they stay they want it to be more aggressive and fill out the guards etc
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>>19134862
from the pictures you’ve posted, you haven’t got good taste at all
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>>19134885
Better than yours apparently. Not surprising. At the least I'm not so insecure I can't post a picture due to fear of ridicule.
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>>19129639
by that logic, drag cars should be running prius tires.
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>>19134498
The frosted tips of this generation
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>>19134498
>mfw this guy claims to have taste
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>>19134897
They do in the front. And would in the rear, but there's a trade off for traction.
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>>19134964
Considering the average taste on this board I'm in the top tier of taste for sure. And once again at least I'm not too insecure to post my taste.
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>>19134896
I look at 900 dollar cars all day with wheels barely under the rolled guards.
I don’t need to keep pictures of this shit because I don’t go on the internet claiming “stance” means how negative your offset is.
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>>19134981
>this is what stancefags actually think
I'll allow the 3kGT looks pretty good as it's actually at a functional height and camber adjustment and the tires aren't stretched at all
...meaning it isn't stance. What you posted is a proper functional fitment, not stance
>inb4 edgy sepia filter makes it stance
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>>19134981
you’re replying to someone else
i had to go put some fuel cleavers on a toyota

had to “stance” it up bro
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>>19134993
aka

I don't want to be made fun of because I have poor taste.

>>19134997
You're literally retarded if you think that car isn't stanced. You just want to think it isn't because you like it. You the type of nigga to fap to a guy then get embarrassed when you learn it's not a girl lol.

There's even an entire group dedicated to functional stance within the scene.

That E30 looks lame, bad fitment.
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>>19135025
nah I’m just not sad enough that I keep photos of cars like that
you tell yourself whatever you need though champ
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>>19135025
>the scene
ohhhh
I’m done lmao
it’s too far gone
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>haters get mad when you right
>they sperg out

Some things never change lol
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>>19135025
Tell me what stance is then, since after four (4) times it's been asked in this thread you still can't/won't. That 3000gt is admittedly lower than it should be, but I'd hardly say it's stanced.
Also, how is that bad fitment?
>wide tires with only slight negative camber for maximum contact patch
>enough space to not hit the fenders when the shocks compress
>tires not stretched

>scene
>haters
as if you stancefags weren't cancerous enough
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>>19135089
Sunk fitment is as lame as it gets, might as well leave it stock if you're gonna make it look like shit.

Nice to know you still can't figure what stance is despite all the evidence.
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>>19135098
>might as well leave it stock
Except it looks better than stock and is done for performance, not just aesthetics
Is the E30 Touring you posted not sunk?
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>>19135056
>stretched tires
>exhaust placement to melt bumper
>stickers on middle of windshield
>too much rear camber
>shit tier sway bar in the back

cancer
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>>19135115
Not that bad, look at the front fitment. Performance usually looks like shit too.
E30 you posted looks worse than stock since it looks like nigger wheels with shit fitment.
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>>19135129
I'm not in love with the wheels they chose, but how can you possibly say that fitment is worse in any way than, say, >>19135056 ?
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>>19135163
What WRX has fitment on point my dude.
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>>19134733
this looks dumb, is awful and i hope the driver loses his licence and has to sell his car to an actual car enthusiest who restores it to a normal condition
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>>19129151
some of them have slightly tuned engines a few by ruf
but suspension wise they are prolly wrecked
not only in compression but also rebound
that and the scrub radius will be a little out of wack
>>19129157
iirc nigata is afraid of the way Porsche handles
so he over spec the width of the rear tire
>>19129443
>dat char
>dem mig wire tassels
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Haters gonna hate. Even when most of the haters jerk off to ugly 80's boxes and view them as the greatest looking cars lol.
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my problem with stance is the broke boi's who are just chewing through cars and making the whole automotive hobby less accessible. they are worse than 4 wheeler fags in this respect. i like certain aspects of the aesthetic, but fuck me if i don't turn right the fuck around when i see drift stitches or stretched fenders in a junkyard.
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can we ignore the stancefag and go back to talking about rwb, I'm pretty fond of nakai's work but I understand why it gets so much hate. but these cars definitely aren't for performance, they're just show cars and I don't see anything wrong with that.
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>>19135238
>They're just show cars
>posts car that runs under 1 minute at Tsukuba

I wish /o/ would learn what they were talking about for once.
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>>19135252
http://fastestlaps.com/tests/m003tabivzsi
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>>19135170
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>>19135283
Dang, Porsche btfo by an old chainsmoker. Stella Artois was running 58's a decade ago.
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>>19135207
as opposed to clapped out and fucking ruined 90s civics?
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>>19129839
Even kitties have stance,senpai.
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>>19129778
>everything is stance
Nice try, but that's not how this works.




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