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#184-"Catfishin for Snook, Catching Neither" Edition

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>>1075744

Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!
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Talk about fishin
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>>1078462
So /out/, I've been attempting to fish in the lower tributaries of the Chesapeake bay, (James and York river), for the better part of three years now and can't seem to catch anything other than Croaker and Spot. I've been using basic bottom or high low rigs whilst drift fishing, usually baited with squid strips on circle hooks around size 1/0 to 4, I've also used bucktails, soft lures, live eels, and menhaden all to no success.

I'm generally using a 15ft skiff so I prefer to stay in the rivers since running out to the CBBT can get hairy if you couldn't make it back to Lynnhaven and the weather turned south. In terms of locations during Striped bass season I'll troll the bridges (64,664,JRB,Coleman) and during the summer I try to fish around the steeper channel shelves and creek inlets going for flounder, or anything else that's good eating.

What exactly am I doing wrong? I'm assuming the tides have a general effect on the feeding habits of fish, but due to time constraints I usually don't have the luxury of going out at a specific point of the cycle.
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>>1078462
>That starved catfish
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BUY SAVAGE GEAR LURES

OR BAT BELLY FACE WILL HAUNT YOUR FAVORITE HOLE.

(Biggest scam in fishing industry?)
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Caught these two 1,6kg trouts tonight. Fished for a couple of hours with a thruline spoon without catching anything, and then when it became completely dark I switched to a Gulp sandeel, retrieving them veery slowly just under the water surface. Couldnt see a thing, but I could hear them strike before feeling it. Pretty good night.
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So I'm thinking about that rig where you use a floating lure then another lure,like a fly, a lil jig, or a spoon, tied to the back of it.

Basically youre fishing with a bobber but your bobber is a floating jerkbait that can still catch fish.

Anyone do it before? Exact name of the rig?
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>moving to Bellevue Washington
Anyone know if the fishing is good there?
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>>1078503
>Washington
It's shit, all your hipsters polluted and overfished everything because they turned pescatarian because fish faces aren't cute.
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>>1078505
I'm sorry anon I hate liberals too
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>>1078500
like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSlJl74adM
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>>1078503
I'm certain that whole state is chalk full of good trout/salmon fishing. It's basically part of the mt range that supports all that Pacific ocean spawning
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>>1078507
>Has a net tied
>Probably has minimal tackle stored in upper piece in
I see no reason why people say she isn't actually fly fishing.
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>>1078503
fun rock fishing there.
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https://youtu.be/jjK_SHUn2sw

>NEW VIDEO OUT
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>>1078480
>Biggest scam in fishing industry?

Something that works as advertised isn't a scam.
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>>1078513
the fuck? waifufag cancer is in /out/ tool?
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Soft plastic question: who uses a certain profile in multiple colors? Or is the philosophy that with each new shape comes a new color?
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>>1078500
Popper dropper rig.
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>>1078563
I do. I basically buy every soft bait I like in a bright, dark, white, and natural color.

If I change lure profiles I generally try the same color first, since the weather usually determines my color choice more than anything else.
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>>1078567
Bright meaning anything not a variation of watermelon, green pumpkin, white, black, or junebug?

Would red, royal blue, pink, and motoroil/oranges count or do you mean anything with chartreuse?
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>>1078585
For me,
>I will buy white (if available), bubblegum pink, junebug or whatever's closest to junebug, black, morning dawn or whatever's closest to morning dawn, some form of bright red like Red Shad, black w/ sparkly shit a la South Africa Special or Black w/ Blue Flake, and watermelon violet
in basically all of my soft plastics. I've got an entire bait binder full of just Finesse Worms, Powerbait Floating Worms, and Roboworms, and I think the only pack in there that doesn't conform to that was given to me.

I buy flukes in pearl, bubblegum pink, and baby bass as well. I've fished other colors of flukes and with the sole exception of bluegill nipping the tails on white w/chartreuse tails I've never had a single strike on any other color.
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>>1078479
Nope, not even a ray. He was just in the corner casting at nothing
>>1078500
Closest name I can think is hopper and a dropper (or hopper with a dropper, depending on who you ask)
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>>1078500
we call that rig the flopper on topper
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>>1078642
Is that oxford color super fluke?
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>>1078513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEhKHlJPYx8
>no manly fat bald fisherman...
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>>1078456
I use a 10' rod for pier fishing, does this trouble you skid? I love being the only one able to reach jacks breaking the surface far away from the pier.
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>Friday morning
>just want to do my job so I can go fishing
>nigger won't stop complaining to me and hollering/crying

Just kill me
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>>1078642
That's a good looking popper, is there a difference between brightly colored and photorealistic ones? When would I use one over the other?
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>>1078726
Kek. I'm supposed to get off early to drive my mom to the airport this afternoon so they said they would give me a light day

>get in and see my route, probably a 12hr day if everything goes smooth, 14hrs if shit goes wrong
>tell him wtf?! I'm gonna bring a bunch of this back
>get held up 30min tryin to leave warehouse because dude who checks trucks out is held up with other shit
>bad accident on I-95, get to 1st stop about an hour late
>now my printer isn't working, did one stop but can't really do anything else because can't print invoices or checklists
>boss is sending guy with new printer but that was at 7:45am and dude won't be here til probably 10am
>tell boss I think it's the computer with the issue, not the printer
>if it's the printer, I have to drive 45min back to the warehouse, spend 30min downloading onto new handheld, then 45min back and maybe get to my 2nd stop by noon
Shoulda stayed home. But there's only two guys who know these stops at this college, one is on vaca and the other is hurt or some shit so they threw it on me even tho I barely know it.

>>1078731
Depends mang. Supposedly black baits are good when it's dark. Skid loves black Jitterbugs. Rapala SkitterPops have been my favorite topwater, and it's the only popper I have really done well with. "Brown Frog" is my favorite color, but sometimes the Firetiger one will work better, even at the same lake the natural frog one was killin it at a week before,
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Are there any fisheries biologists/technicians/professionals in these fishing threads? I am trying to locate the proper place for fisheries management discussions on this site, and feeling like I am likely the only one on all of 4chan that cares to be open about it.
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>>1078775
Why not talk about that hear? I bet im not the only one interested in management discussions.
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>>1078585
Mostly like chartreuse, pink, orange, yellow, ect

Blues are generally dark (Junebug) and motor oil is like a dark natural color to me.

>>1078591
If you have green sunfish the watermelon candy color is goat. The blue stands out a whole lot more than in the pic.

>>1078775
There was one anon who worked in a hatchery and the rest of us will give you uneducated to semi educated answers.
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>>1078724
I regularly use a 10 or 12 foot rod on the pier.
But not to blind cast a 4 ounce bucktail at nothing
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>>1078779
>>1078780
I think I found the place. Anyone here fish someplace that has yet to be colonized by zebra mussels, although the threat of introduction is real and current? I come from the Finger Lakes (NY) and we have had them my entire adult life, and everyone knows the fishing was better pre-zebra mussel (although other AIS introductions are likely to blame as well, though typically poorly understood). I am interested in angler perceptions/opinions on invasive species introductions and best methods for raising awareness within the angling community.
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>>1078780
What's the verdict on Zoom's Sapphire Blue or Kentucky Flash?
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>>1078793
That Kentucky Flash, I have seen baby brush hogs in that color on the clearance rack at Dick's and almost bought then like 10 times but then remember how many fucking soft baits I have. It a lighter blue tho which I really haven't used, but white normally works well anytime and all of my medium to dark blue and purple baits are some of my favorites in murky water.
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>>1078775
>>1078792
I am also interested in discussing boats, fish passage, sportfish harvest dynamics, brook trout, and diadromous fish ecology.
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>>1078808
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>>1078775
what do you need to know?
>work
https://youtu.be/ZZIOoUniik8
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>>1078840
>https://youtu.be/ZZIOoUniik8
not looking for anything in particular, other than a place to talk about fisheries management. eel and crappie pics above are me at work. whats it like living where there are always tons of fish jobs openings?
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>>1078793
I think those would be good colors for deep clear water. I'm sure they'd catch fish any where though. Accurate cast > lure profile > color

>>1078792
I think the only real thing you can do to help prevent it is put signs everywhere around the lakes. Especially at boat ramps. Maybe include something about invasives in boaters ed (can't remember if they already do this here, it's been a minute).
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>>1078808
I'm somewhat involved with the Raritan river basin works. I volunteer for river cleanups and hear a lot about fish passage (mostly for American shad but there's alot more species that benefit like herring stripers eels etc) a lot of dams have been brought down. One just going down in a few days and I attended the ceremony for it.

There is a dam on the main stem of the river that has a low efficiency fish ladder, although A. Shad have been noted to swim up it, and then just get blocked up stream at a similarly sized dam without a ladder and an expensive job to take down since an important pipe goes through it, or something.

I met a very passionate engineer that works with the dams and likes to paddle in the rivers casually that is figuring out the best designs for these two dams.

I've done some fishing for shad with some biology studies trying to tag as much as possible, also net seining.

Idk if I've ever seen zebra muscles before.
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>>1078837
What state is this? I've been catching a lot of eels recently in nearby tidal creek. In ny i recently read an article that the bronx river is clean enough for babby eels.
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>>1078872
PA, slightly-upper susky. they have been collected below and transported around the four mainstem dams for a few years now. we have been assessing their dispersal since stocking. if you're fishing a tidal creek on the east coast that has no blockages, there is a good chance that eels migrate up as far as they can and they can usually get past blockages that are barriers to most other fish.
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>>1078462
What does the water temperature have to be to trigger the shad to migrate back into the coves and creeks and shit?
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>>1078899
not OP, nor are there tf shad where I live, but I was curious since you asked.

https://www.bassmaster.com/tips/understanding-baitfish-movements
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>>1078881
Nice. The bronx river is relatively shallow running and pretty much inacessable because of the bronx zoo. Theres also herring and oysters in the river which is cool
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>>1078462
To anyone that has used the powerbait dough.
How do i make it stay on the hook. it seems it always falls off and cant ever get in wrapped around tight enough.
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>>1078906
But at what temperature does it defecate after migration? >>1078899 wanted to knwow
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>>1078936
You can try pic related. But I still hate that dough bait. Dip bait, the sticky stuff in the jars, is easier to use and has always produced better for me.
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>>1078943
They're Hindus when it comes to defecation.
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>>1078943
not sure where you're going with defecation, but it sounded to me like >>1078899 was asking about a spawning movement. there isn't any other reason i can think that they would move back into the coves or up into creeks other than to avoid a lower temperature (they die somewhere around 40 f), or because there is food in that shallow, wamer water. The question needs to be better thought out, if you prefer a different answer.
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>>1078936

I use trout power bait on slamon egg hooks without any real issues.

When I use other doughbait, I just use a treble hook. If it's drier, I can manage with a circle hook, where I just

But I usually do what >>1078955 does and use punch bait.

Or use live/cut bluegill and shad, which is really the best bait for any kind of catfish other than 1-5lbs channel cat- which still readily bite it. It stays on the hook better, is generally cleaner than prepared bait, and unless you can't catch bluegill/shad for some insane reason, it's cheaper.
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>>1078808
Welcome
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>>1078837
New friend
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>>1078792
I mean I like that they make the water clearer but I haven't done any research on what effects they actually have besides water filtration. They have been in Oneida lake for my entire life so I wouldn't have any idea if it was better before they came in. From as far back as I can remember the amount of people specifically bass fishing on the lake has been increasing throughout my life. It gets a good amount of pressure in certain areas.
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>>1078511
Nice ling cod
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>>1078997
>my job
>official sandwich inspector
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>>1079023
Kek
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I'm mostly fishing midwestern (US) rivers for flatheads and blue cats.

Will these plastic Gulp baits be as good or nearly as good as actual live chubs and worms or is there an inherent advantage that live bait has over plastics? I find plastics a lot easier and cleaner for obvious reasons
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>>1079040
Live bait always out perform plastic of course. However, artificials are always there for convenience. However. I don't see artificial working well for catfish.
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>>1079000
God I hate carp
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Best spinning reel and rod for under $300?

prefer medium light 2 piece rod

mostly freshwater fishing for bass that are around a couple lakes and ponds in south east mass
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>>1079061
If it were me I'd get a Shimano Ultegra 2500 with a fenwick elite tech bass rod. I personally like Shimano reels but if you don't give a shit what brand you can go a little cheaper on the reel and put that towards a fenwick Aetos or a G loomis e6x rod. Tons of options in that price range for a really good spinning setup
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Got another $25 BPS gift card from work today and the shit from the first one will be on my doorstep tomorrow
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>>1078506
Imagine my SCHHHHOCK
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>>1079073
>saltwater X-Raps
And kinda gay but the kid workin there pulled my number. I guess he has a boat and does tons of everglades fishin and knows way more about South Florida fishin than me.

Those Gambler baits are dank tho, almost like a baby bass color on the body with watermelon flakes and chart tail
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>>1079078
>Bepis goes fishing on a boat
>still catches dinks
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>>1079081
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>>1079083
>when you're only capable of catching dink bass even after spending thousands of dollars on plastic frogs so you spend hours on the internet trying to convince yourself and others that you just enjoy catching dinks
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>>1079085
Better than catching nothing.

These Havoc things are interesting. It's like a U-Tail almost. And I can't wait to get those new Rapala memebaits tomorrow. They don't even have them in stores yet but they look memetastic.

>tfw wanted a couple X-Raps in size 10 but a deciding factor was the lack of space in my tackle bag
I think kid's dad and whole family fish a ton so his dad is old school and he's on board with all the Youtubers that you fags love. But he made it sound like the saltwater fish love to chase baits that look like their natural prey and the bass are similar but will go for shit they have never seen before if you're going for a reaction strike. And he pretty much said most lakes around here are useless for shad baits and baby bluegill or bass are the way to go. That makes sense because baby bass colored soft baits do some work.

Also now I want to get out on the salt at sunrise but goddamn I want to sleep in tomorrow. If I wanted to wake up at 4:30am, I would've gone in to work for an easy 5hr day.
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how do you organize your weights?
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>>1079106
>size 10

14 x raps are what you want for snook senpai.
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>>1079132
Not if he's looking for dink snook
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>>1078997
>>1079023
Kek
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>>1079142
If I can start getting smaller guys on the Size 8 & 10, then I will think about setting up a heavier saltwater rod and invest in some bigger ones.
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>>1079106
It's okay Bepis. Me too.

>>1079130
By leaving them in their package
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>>1079130
That pic needs a green sunfish charging the carp going REEEE
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>>1079061
St. Croix Avid X and Pflueger President XT
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So tonight at the shore I caught one little spikey fucker and two little mullets or silver things with my bait net. I was planning on keeping them in the bucket and cutting them up tmrw.

They aren't going to make it are they?
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>>1079187
Make that four little mullets
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>>1078511
I like the the pic. Blue ling? We're you getting abs too? I just shot my first ling this last weekend. Water was flat.
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>>1079186
>flooger
>best
Fuck no

>>1079061
Daiwa Procyon EX 3000 ($130) on an Okuma Scott Martin 7' ML ($140)

>>1079187
If you have an aerator, put the bait bucket in your fridge and they should make it. If you don't have an aerator, not a chance.
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>>1079191
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>>1079193
So cut em up now? Cut em up tonight I guess... I got bacon should I throw in some bacon?
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>>1079044
They're fun on fly~
>>1079185
+1
Green sunnies are fucking insane
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>>1079195
Eh. You could, although letting them float overnight (stick them in the fridge in the bait bucket regardless) and cutting them up in the morning might be fresher.
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Tf is this LTB. They also sent one of those live target shads and some dope shakes heads.

>>1079196
I'm sure. I need to do that sometime.
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>>1079198
I'm in a van but I got some ice. I could ice em down before I pass out. I thought they could make it overnight.
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>>1079204
Get 'em cold enough and they might. They'll go dormant, meaning they use a fuckload less oxygen. They will take a while to warm up in the morning (change half the water with fresh so they don't immediately die) and start moving again but they might make it.
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>>1079199
Wut? Is that for wacky rigging or somethin?
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>>1079214
>>1079199
That is a weedless dropshot hook.
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>>1079187
throw chunk of ice and some salt into the bucket of water theyll die but stay good and firme.
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>>1079199
wow that's a nice hook..
>that will bend out when you hook a big fish
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>>1079211
I'll try throwing some ice on em then. Put more water in. See what happens. I got some almost pan sized fish in there now though. They came out with the mosquitos at night fall on the high tide.
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>>1079193
>hating on pflueger unironically
The fuck? Any brand under Pure Fishing is quality stuff
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>>1079214
>>1079220
>>1079224
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>>1079222
Cool so that's what I did when I saw a couple larger ones had already gone belly up. Spikey fucker and small catfish looking guy made it to the finish line.
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What is it about flounders is that you don't really a "feel" a bite? Spent my first time really targeting and caught only one (legal) keeper but I never even would of guess I had one on the line until I started reeling in.

But boy getting in those fuckers onto land then they sure off cause some commotion.
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>>1079228
I've had no less than 4 Presidents fail catastrophically on me within 6 months of purchase. 3 fly reels and a spinning reel.

I also had a Pflueger Trion spinning reel that seized up before I even got it fully spooled, which I was able to return as defective.

I also have a Pflueger President travel rod (that included the original President fly reel and the President spinning reel that broke) that's a "convertible" rod (8' spinning and/or fly) that's pure shit, it literally has flown apart every single cast and the butt section is so loose even after only maybe 5 total trips with it that it will fall off the rest of the rod just under gravity. It was a $200 kit, and while Pflueger replaced both reels from the kit under warranty they told me to pound sand on the rod.

Literally no Pflueger product I've ever touched worked as advertised, much less was "good" and damn sure wasn't "best"
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>>1079228
>Any brand under Pure Fishing is quality stuff
This is your friendly reminder that Shakespeare is a Pure Fishing brand as well.
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>>1079239
>user error

>>1079231
Take a pic when you rig something on it. I'm curious.

>want to go fishin at 6am tomorrow
>also want to sleel bc safurday.
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>>1079240
What do you expect from a $30 combo?
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>>1079234
Flounders are dumb asses and also terrible swimmer so they feel like dead weight. They also keep bite, get hooked up, and swim along with your line for a while before starting to "fight". They sure flop around like a fucker and bite your shit if it's a specie with teeth after you landed them though
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>>1079242
>completely seized up on initial spooling
>user error
Also
>have literally had no other piece of fishing gear fail, EVER, under any circumstances in 29 years of fishing
>yes, this includes several $20 Shakespeare combos I've had for 10+ years as loaners or kid's rods, and my original Snoopy rod that's 29 years old and going strong
Pflueger is shit, pure and simple.
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>>1079243
You said "quality stuff", and they are clearly not.
When your products are not as good as Zebco stuff, it's safe to say they're shit.
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>>1079245
Well when you compare it to the Snoopy rod, even a Stella will feel like trash.

>>1079247
>You said
Wut?
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>>1079196
How the fuck do I catch them on a fly? I threw every I had and they didn't even look at it. I'll be at the fly shop tomorrow because I'm going to get a 10 weight Spey rod for the run that's just starting
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>>1079248
Sorry, the other anon said all PF was quality stuff. That's just laughable.
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>>1079250
Wooly buggers, crawdad patterns, San Juan worms, sinking ants or sinking an ant with splitshot. Put it in front of them and just make it wiggle a little bit.

If you live somewhere with cottonwood trees, tie a mass of blonde dog hair on a dry fly hook and dead float it.
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>>1079196
>>1079250
Should have added that the carp that I'm trying to target are big groups of schooling carp like the picture I posted above. They don't spook that easily and the schools usually have 30-40 fish all sitting still or moving very slowly in one direction
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So can anyone tell me anything about Silstar?

I've had this reel 20+ years. I can't remember buying it, but it came as a combo with a pistol-grip MH rod. It has never seen much use, but seems to function fine.

The only markings on it are
>Silstar EDGE Classic
>Egio ball bearing
and
>KOREA stamped in the reel foot
No indication of gear ratio, line capacity, or anything else, though I suppose they could've worn off.

How shit is it?
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>>1079255
Cast a 6' net 1/2" mesh on the fuckers. I used to catch them on grub worms or mill worms with a bobber. I never bothered trying to eat one. Getting them off the hook is fun in and of itself.
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I tested the Hopper dropper rig.

Use some small jerkbait, removed back trebel and tied a 1/64th jig on the back with a lil stonefly nymph plastic.

Sunnies were all on the jig but nothing bit the jerkbait. Was only fishing a creek which I've yet to find trout in.

Problems: The jerkbait slowly sunk because of the small weight added, I bet a floating rapala would have floated better,a and not this cheap thing from mtb

And Line got tangled a bit with the trebel hook but normally just after a missed hookset. Easy to fix.

I was thinking about making my own topwater lure with a nerf dart. Something very buoyant that can act like a jerkbait and also hold a hook.

I'll see how a rapala works out tommorow.
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Fug. Pic.
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>>1079266
Oh funny thing, some people fuckng if not 20 feet off trail. I saw them across the creek for just a sec. Heard some moaning at first then saw bare ass crouching over some dude laying down and just kept walking with head down.
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>>1079250
>>1079255
Youre making it hard on yourself. Fly fishing for carp is a lot mpre like hunting than fishing.
Let's start here
>if he doesnt have his nose in the mud, you can't catch him
Plain and simple, if he is not already eating, your odds of making him eat are minimal at best and you're better off flinging a treble hook at him and trying to snag him
After that, something earthy-coloured (Browns, olives/greens, dark oranges) that is really buggy and has rubber legs. I tie something I call a backwards bug, and I could tie a few for you and ship them to you for a reasonable cost (if you are interested, I'll give you my email so we can work something out)
Otherwise, carp candy is a good option, as are san juan worms, and wooly buggers. Ive also gotten them to bite stoneflies and large pheasant tails
>how to catch them
Go wadeing in a place you know they like, and sight fish. Find one with its nose down, and cast your fly so it lands on his nose, then give it a slow drag, or dead drift it past him of there is some current. If that doesnt get him, cast a bit past him (only like a foot) then either gently jig or slowly swim it past him, and try to make him hit it impulsively. Keep in mind even I think theyre autistic as fuck most of the time, so they will spook at nothing, ignore your fly for no clear reason, or some other frustrating bullshit. It's like trying to get a white tail to walk in to your arrow instead of shooting him with it
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Any good Connecticut pike spots?
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>>1079266
>The jerkbait slowly sun
Using a grasshopper pattern with a big, heavy beadhead nymph very often has the same thing happen. Dont worry about it, just keep the drift going and watch it like a hawk, if it does anything it shouldnt, set the hook
Also you are about 3 steps away from.fly fishing, and if you ever have $100 burning a hole in your pocket I can get you set up to fly fish (rod, reel, line, leader tying kit, and a few flies)
>picture unrelated, dinner tonight before I cleaned it
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>>1079277
where in ct are you at? have access to a kayak?
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>>1079280
I actually am a novice fly fisher. It would have been best where I went today since all I needed was that lil jig.

I eventually just went without the jerkbait and had the same luck tossing the lil jig, often inaccurately but managed to score dem creek chubs.

I'm certain they're designed to only float on their own weight and a bit more. Rapalas however seems pretty buoyant.
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>>1079286
Honestly, buy a big foam hopper, size 6 or 8 and something like a size 14 bh hares ear and just dead drift it
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>>1079275
Thanks.

Going out for browns probably Sunday so I'll be back then hopefully wid pics
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>>1079242
It came with these really small straight tail worms. 3" or 4" but extra skinny.
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>>1079336
Realized I was postan on /k/ and took my trip off.

I tried out a swim jig for a couple cast at the end of the day and I'm really liking the action. Anyone here ever have any luck with them?
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>>1079267
It's low-tier stuff from the time. Not complete shit, but not remarkable. Silstar was trying to break into the US market, and those combos were competing with Abu Black max combos.

I'd just lube it up and fish it until something on it breaks, then throw it away. You won't find parts to fix it anyway. Might as well use it as much as you can.
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>>1078996
>>1078997
>>1079023
>>1079143
these are pretty much just like irl
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>>1079442
Alright thanks.

I assumed as much considering I had to have bought it as a young teenager or earlier, and like most young teenagers I was poor.
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>>1079494
Could've also been a Christmas present or some such.
>anon's into fishin?
>He's a good kid and it's certainly better than drugs-I'll get him this
>Merry Christmas!
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>>1079252
Idk how you had so many issues, but they are supposed to have some of the best low-mid range spinning reels. But you said 3 of them were fly combos and 1 was a $30 spinning reel.

>>1079264
Not sure how old Pure Fishing is, but they are the ones making pretty much everything you see that is made in Korea. Goes from lower range to mid-high range and at least it's not Chinese.
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>accidentally slept in and missed the 6:50 AM tide change
>call the pier
>"yeah they were catching huge snook all morning"

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Anybody else have this issue?
>wake up early for work M-Fri, set like 5 alarms starting at 4:15am
>rarely, rarely ever sleep thru alarms on weekdays, always on time for work
>Sat comes, think I might want to go fishin real early so leave the alarms turned on
>Sleep with phone right next to my head
>wake up at 10am, see notifications for alarms on phone that went off at 4:15am, 4:30am, 4:40am, 4:50am, 5:00am, 5:10am, 5:20am...

I really don't understand it. My body knows when it's the weekend and even on weekdays when I go to bed at 2am, I can still wake up for the alarns no problem yet somehow on Sat and Sun my brain shuts down and I will sleep thru 2 hours of the phone making godawful noises right next to my ear.
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>>1079530
You are LITERALLY me. I slept with my phone right next to my head and had my alarm set to ring at 4:50, 5:10, and 5:30 but I slept through all of them.
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>>1079530
Did you check to make sure you didn't put the phone on silent without thinking?
I do that a lot.
>why didn't it ring? I've got everything all set and...
>*CLICK*
>Shit
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>>1079535
Nope, I finally woke up to the alarm set at 10am. The alarm will still go off when the phone is on silent.

It literally happens to me every weekend. My biological clock recognizes weekends and makes me sleep right thru all of the alarms, yet it never happens Monday thru Friday.

Now I'm waitin for Fedex with these new Rapala memes and I will go out later.
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So I have to go through a school's parking lot to get to a big ass pond/lake that's behind it and much older than this new school, so I don't think they own it...

I should be good right? There isn't any signs
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>>1079554
Only one way to find out. If you're weary of getting in trouble, just don't go at like 2am, go during the day when it's not sketchy and try to park your car near others to blend in if possible.

>>1079556
Only because you used Eagle Claw line
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>>1079530
I'm the opposite. I'll sleep through my alarms on work days, but I can't sleep in for shit on weekends.

Still can't wake up early enough to go fish in the morning.
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>>1079556
What are you planning on using it for? I'm running 20# on my small 3/0 senator.
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>>1079283
southwestern ct, and yes.
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>>1079573
Reds and river catfish lol
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>>1079530
For me it's not even a daily thing my brain prioritizes if I should get up
Know I have to work?
I'll always wake up on time usually right before my alarm goes off
Know I have to make a flight ?
I'll always wake up for an alarm
Know I'm going down to the shore to go out fishing on a boat (,that has a set leave time)?
I'll always wake up on time

Meanwhile
Want to wake up early and be productive?
Il sleep right through any number of alarms
Want to get up and go on a hike?
Sleeping right through it
Want to wake up and go fishing ?
Sleep right through it
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>>1079580
How far are you willing to go? You could try fishing bantam but it's a sizeable lake lots of water to cover
Other than that your best bets may be tributaries along the Connecticut river depending how far you're willing to go
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>>1079505
Nah, every single piece of sporting equipment I've ever had I had to buy myself, dating all the way back to my soccer cleats in 1st grade.

Only things I've EVER gotten for Christmas or my birthday have been money, underwear, and legos.
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>>1079522
>Pure Fishing
>not Chinese
80% plus of it is chinese, including the "high end" stuff
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>>1079599
Lol yeah man the brain is a crazy thing. I don't understand it.

>>1079604
Damn I never realized all the soft baits are US made. But lots of Pure Fishing shit is made in Korea and I think the lower end stuff is often Chinese made. Like Abu, the Black Max and Silver Max are Chinese, the Revos are Korean, and some of the high end Ambassadeurs might still be made in Sweden. But a ton of Pure Fishing stuff is Korean.

Not like it matters anyway. You can buy a super expensive Shimano assembled in Japan and it will still have some of the same parts as the reels made in the shitty Asian countries.
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Also found these like a week ago. Isn't that one of the colors that can be a bitch to find but works well?

Somewhat related, when I was ordering that stuff off Bass Pro's website, I saw these Z3 Trick worms. Didn't see them in store, but the colors are cool. Reminds me of some of the Robo Worm color schemes. I had that blue and silver one in my cart but didn't buy it.

They even come in "Colombia Flag"
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>>1079614
>Colombia Flag
I hear fish take those like crack
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>>1078868
Is that all volunteer work or is this ecology your career?

t. prelaw student who wants to switch into bio
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>>1079637
The second color with the black and green is called "Bluegill" or something. I have some Robo Worms with a similar color and then some Strike King worms with a bright lime or chartruese on the bottom and almost a dark watermelon on top.
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>>1078775
i worked at a fish hatchery for my states dep/dnr for a few years alongside fisheries biologists etc and am hopefully moving to a new hatchery soon
im not incredibly knowledgable since most of the work i was doing was strictly related to one field ( salmanoids) but i did get some information about other neat programs etc through volunteering and just asking
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Today was a success
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>>1079610
>soft baits are US made
Which sub brands?

>Korea, Japan, etc
Try China and Maylaysia
Pic related is a shimano curado
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And pic related, a $100 Ambassadeur. Hecho en Chine
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>>1079694
But that's a Caenan
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>>1079696
Not even sure if Lews is PF or not but the mach lfs is hecho en chine as well
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>>1079698
...so it is. Time to yell at coworkers, came out of a curado box
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>>1079689
Lel Pflueger fly reel. All of that stuff other anon said about them breaking must have caught your attenton.

>>1079694
Real high end Shimanos are still made in Japan. Abu's mid-high stuff is still Korea I believe, their cheaper stuff like Cardinals, MAX's, low range Ambassadeurs are China.

And I was just going thru the soft bait bag and almost everything was US. Havoc, Powerbait, Zoom, Gambler, Strike King, etc
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>>1079714
>>1079694
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>>1079714
It was the only asthetic reel they had that wasn't over $500
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>>1079340
I've only ever used a swim jig twice. Had a ton of success when I was twitching my rod like a madman on the retrieve, but a more conventional retrieve got no bites either time.
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>>1079289
Update on jerkbait-lil jig rig:

I tried a 2 inch floating rapala and a 1/80th jig. Stayed floating. And even got a smallie on the rapala.

The line tangling with the trebel hook was still a minor problem.
After that smallie I just tossed a spoon out since the new stretch of this river was shallow and I just used it like a spinner. Nailed quantity but not much quality.
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>tfw shoulda gone freshwater fishin instead
Those new Rip Rap Stop Memes are cool enough. Like a jerkbait with a lot of action if that's what you want.

Also no Sebiles at the West Marine by my house. Kept thinking about buying a larger Crystal Minnow or X-Rap, but they were all a couple $$ more expensive than Bass Pro. I need to watch for those rare Yo-Zuri sales at Dick's and go spend like $75 on Crystal Minnows. Problem is you have to go the day the sale starts or else they will be cleared out by the end of the weekend.
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I LOVE DICKS!!!

Didn't want to spend more $ on fishing stuff this week, but I couldn't resist. That's like $50-$60 worth of stuff with the saltwater X-Raps for $27 shipped.

FYI Dick's has tons of stuff on clearance right now. Plus free shipping on $25+ but I think that deal ends at midnight. Buy 4 Get 2 free on regular priced stuff is still happening, a couple colors of Rooster Tails are 99¢, and all sorts of Rapala shit on sale.
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>>1079869
We know Pepsi, we know
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>>1079875
>#BLM
Just go to "Fishing", scroll down and click "Fishing Deals" for all the clearance shit. I'm amazed the X-Rapa and that Yo-Zuri were on sale. But like I said, I think the B4G2 and the free shipping end in like 2hrs.

I think I'm about to go fuck with some freshwater. Have these ded shads from Walmart so I was gonna toss a rod or two out with those and then play with some lures.
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Has anyone ever used fake cut bait? I was at bass pro and I picked some up to try out.

I caught a not terrible fish on the swim jig today. Decided to dip right after that because of the lightening storm that was coming in. I'm ready to find some grass to use it.
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>>1079883
Also the MTB local was pretty decent.
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The popper lights up, and has "gills" that are suppose to leave a bubble trail. Might be kinda neat.

>>1079869
I've already spent $100 on fishin shit since yesterday I don't need this temptation in my life.
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>>1079885
>local MTB
Not available here :(

Also the last two Pro boxes have really really sucked. Gonna cancel my sub.
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>>1079888
>get sent a single flipping hook
>VALUED AT $9.99
No motherfuckers
>card says they sent me some MTB brand garlic scent, valued at $5.49
>none in the box
>valuing a regular Blakemore Roadrunner at $3.99 when I can get them at Walmart in 2-packs for $0.99
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>>1079877
Thanks Beps man.
I havent even lost a single one of my floating rapalas so this is like a lifetime supply right here.
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>>1079898
they say for every consumer that is influenced by Bepis' shilling, he earns 1 scorecard point.
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>>1079891
That's why I've only bought one box with the -$10 discount and quit. It's obviously a way to sell cheap lures collecting dust in a warehouse for some $$$

That or I figure lure-companies would start paying the box companies just to get their "I never heard of this brand before" lures into anglers hands to get recognition.

Maybe in the future when the box companies get even bigger, big brands will start putting their stuff in the boxes for once.

Same deal with how companies pay the retailer/store to put things on the shelf
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>>1079888
>>1079891
Yeah the only reason I haven't canceled my LTB is because I like the meme baits. I usually give the other stuff away to my freinds who fish. (No LTB I don't need another brush hog knockoff).

I have found some new brands I like through them though. Especially things like spinnerbaits and jigs.
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>>1079900
Kek. Nah, that's for every 3,000 steps I walk each day.

>>1079898
>8 babby Rapalas
Goddamn

I was going to get some Rooster Tails but there are like 40 colors with 10 sizes each and I got tired of clicking on them all. Lots of them were small sizes too, like 1/16oz-1/8oz and I wanted something larger. But the one you got, that 1/4oz black, I saw that and almost ordered like 10 of em because that's a solid color for any day and you can't be too mad when you snag a 66¢ lure.

>>1079886
>meme as fuck

>>1079888
>>1079891
Checked, and shitty. But yeah they do overvalue that stuff. It's often the highest retail price possible and then you will see the same bait on clearance at Dick's a week later for 1/3 the price.

I keep thinking about doing it again, maybe LTB since I could probably get a code from them and do another 3mos for $30-$35. I mean that's the cost of buying 2 Rapalas and a bag of Zoom at Bass Pro.

But I have enough stuff I already don't use. And since it's South Florda and warm, lots of the shit they send is almost useless here. One box was this Booyah wire spinner deal that you can attach a hardbait or rigged swimbait or whatever to the end. That was the main thing, supposedly $12 or some shit. Tried it once, it was a clusterfuck. Then a couple weeks later see the exact same thing at Dick's for like $3.50. Those meme baits piss me off from time to time. But that's why the're in MTB, tryin to clear out shit that doesn't sell at full price in stores.

Coolest thing was probably a Yo-Zuri 3DB and I don't think I have ever used a soft bait from those boxes. Or if I tried em, they didn't produce.
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>>1079908
That's what it is. Shit from big brands that isn't selling, and new brands where they're trying to get the name out.

>>1079891
Also you should email and complain, they will probably just send you a whole new box.

>>1079912
Kek. I wish I lived in bumblefuck, Texas and had all those little random lakes you got. Too many overfishin nogs around here.

Plus like dude was talkin about yesterday, giant baits and all of that shad stuff don't work down here. You will do better with bluegill or baby bass colors most of the time. And the water is too shallow and warm for baits that errybody else would use for spring and summer.
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>>1079916
I mean, I've gotten a few things out of them that worked
>Catch Co meme worms
They're downsized Zoom trick worms, come in a 6ct bag that they valued at something ridiculous like $11, but fuck me they work BECAUSE THEY'RE A DOWNSIZED TRICK WORM.
>like 3 different Lucky Craft cranks
I mean, it's Lucky Craft. MTB's saying they're like $14-17 each when I can buy them at Dick's for $9.99 any day of the week or $5 on sale, but whatever.
>Bagley Rapala knockoff
Think they valued this pretty fairly and called it like $7 or something, but again it's a literally-who knockoff of a proven lure.

>>1079920
I did email and complain, they said they'd send me a replacement for the garlic scent. That was 3 weeks ago and nothing.
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Gotta love Florida
>night fishin fresh because nothin better to do
>random rain cloud over lake just before I get there, no breeze so BUGS
>can't even turn on white light on headlamp for more than 15sec or I get swarmed
>Spoders everywhere, have to walk past trees and get spoder'd
>retrieve bait, drag it thru grass by shore, gets spoder'd
>soccer chair to rest bait rod on, chair gets spoder'd
>let rods sit with bait for 15min, get spoder'd
Had two rods out with those little shads, one on a catfish rig and one on the bottom and nothing touched em. Ther was some shit hitting the surface, coulda been panfish or sneks coming up but one bigger splash sounded like a bass. Ran some different lures and got skunked. But I rarely get much while night fishing unless it's like 20min after it gets dark.

>>1079922
>downsized Trick Worm
So like a Zoom Finesse Worm? 20pk for $3.49.

>Lucky Craft
I actually got two from them. One of them is something I would buy in a store, except a slightly smaller size. I almost bought one of those Pointer 100 or whatever they are called when I was at Bass Pro yesterday, but the color I liked I wanted in a slightly smaller size and I wasn't willing to pay $17

>Bagley
I actually bought a couple of those at Gander. One of those stickbaits with the prop and then this shallow diving crank that rattles. I have actually pulled some fish on that crank and I normally hate those fat bodied cranks. It's strange, they seem basic but they work for some reason. And for $6-$8, the price is right.

Also that's shitty they were just going to send the scent and it took forever. Some other anon had a problem with his box and they sent him a free month when there was only one thing missing. Can't remember if it was MTB or LTB tho.
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>>1079943
Not quite like a finesse worm, different profile.

And yes, finesse worms are fucking awesome and also cheap.

>>1079946
C'mon man, couldn't get any smaller dinks without changing species? WTF?
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>>1079950
If I would've done fresh at sunset instead of wasting time at the intercoastal, I could've landed some dinks.

I think that lake has a bunch of sneks close to shore but it's really hard to get them because they get spooked so fucking easily. Last one I caught there, I think it was guarding eggs or maybe fry but I couldn't see them. It kept chilling by the same spot and when I ran an inline past it, it would chase it off but not really bite. Then I ran it past really quick and finally got em.
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>>1079916
Sometimes meme lures actually work pretty good. I wouldn't buy one at full price, but still.

>>1079920
Eh we still have a lot of Mexicans to deal with, but they're usually going for catfish and are nice, so it's not too bad.

The trouble with the actual lakes here is that they almost always require a boat to get good access. Most of the good fishing is on docks and trees, which are usually hard to get to from shore, and surround the entire lake.

Or like if you look on google maps for water out in the country there's a 90% chance it's private property

The good thing is that almost any of the nicer neighborhoods will have ponds that no one cares if you fish in.
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>>1079869
That first sentence is so out of context but so believable. Great deal though, congrats.
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>>1079920
Currently live in bumblefuck Texas. The only good fishing I know of is salt in matagorda (40 min away) or lake texanna (same distance away) or port lavaca(an hour and something away). The rest for me is the Colorado, which to actually fish decently from you have to about 30 min away, closer to the beach since the water is so fierce where I'm at.
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>>1079976
That another box tactic. They put crap lures in the box then hope if someone wants to get more they have to buy it at a jacked up price.
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>>1078466
One fish, for example the flounder, is primarily a "sit and wait" ambush style predator. The tide is your friend with this animal, what you'll be looking for is something like an inlet, oyster bed, reef, some type of structure that will hold feed.

Next, you want to hit these structures that will be near a drop and be below the drop as the tide flows over the "edge" of the drop. The feed and everything will be forced off the drop and settle on the bottom because the smaller stuff is too weak or they fuck up and get blowed off. The flounder will wait at the base for things to blow down and then the things struggle to find shelter in those areas.

This is just one example of how to fish these organisms, I'd go with a bottom rig that has the sinker on the bottom, pretty big sinker, and then up the line a bit (2 foot or something) have your hook where you hook up a live shrimp or finger mullet. I don't know the names of these rigs, just how to make them.

The absolute best place to catch these fish, which you don't have access to it sounds like, is the outside of an inlet on an outgoing tide in the "wash out" area. The inlet blows all that shit out to the ocean and it settles out as the small feed in the bay gets swept out and everything just waits out there for shit to fall into their mouths basically.

It is as old as they say "think like a fish." Just imagine where the easiest meal is and you'll find them. They want to just sit there and basically have shit fall into their mouths, find those places. EX: giant boulder in a creek, the trout sits behind it in an edy and waits for little macroinvertebrates to fall out of the flow right into his mouth.
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>>1078505
>>1078503

That I-5 area is pure fuckin cancer, I only go to Shittatle when I have to. I live on the Olympic Peninsula, it's beautiful and the people are conservative. Spend most of my time around Forks, but, I travel extensively as a fisheries biologist. The oly pen is fuckin beautiful, however, if you don't like rain, just stay right the fuck out, 120 or so inches a year. I love the rain though, my friends think I'm crazy, but, I love buzzing up the 261 and logging in the winter in my grundens..........peaceful for some reason.

>why do you log in the winter?

it's my only "down time," all the fish are spawned out and everything is quiet on the ocean as far as research goes.
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>>1079869
>I LOVE DICKS!!!
Skid is waiting for you
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>>1079946
>wading in ribber
>cast into tree.
>no biggie
>pull branch down and get it out
>something on my shoulder
>same spider
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>>1080097
Eh. I lived at Ft Lewis for 3 years as a kid. The weather was very depressing (was there 1110 days, it rained 887 of them and only snowed once) and even in the mid-80's when I was there it was already turning into a liberal hellhole.
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Im guessing white suckers cant be caught on lures. Ive caught a few carp on lil jigs but white suckers never even react to some flies. Sometimes the really juvenile ones that seem very opportunistic will get a nibble on it but thats it.

I remember catching one with my dad on nightcrawlers however
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>>1080166
nightcrawlers have always produced white suckers, fallfish, and redhorses for me in places when artificials would not. one or two split shots (enough to bounce in current) and an appropriate hook, worm threaded up past eye of hook. i was targeting walleye in these situations, but its amusing to see all the fish that were always avoiding my mister twisters
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>>1080166
Lures are the best thing ever to catch the white sucker though.

Why do you think they (and sports cars and beer cans and bras) are generally shiny?
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>sunrise
>bolsa chica inlet
>catch a halibut
>old vietnam man
>walks down rocks towards me
>$10 bill in his hand
>i buy fish, i buy you fish?
>nope.png
>watch him walk down jetty
>offer mexcan money for a croaker
>mexcan take moneys
>gook got fish dinner
>5m later dfw scoop the mexcan up
>Kekkled out loud
>drive to next spot santa ana river jetty
>crowded for being this early
>mexibros on my spot
>beaners beaners errywhere.jpeg
>catch some croakers on jerks
>switch to a glide
>bam legal halibut
>same gook walking over to me
>i buy you fish? i buy fish?
>kick rocks nigga
>mexcans sell gook croaker n tiny perch
>10 minutes later...dfw scoops mexcans
>arrest 2 and ticket the 4 others
>watch them leave
>adiosfelicia.png
>on my spot
found a sack of weed and some blunt wraps they stashed in the rocks.. was a great morning about to blaze this shit
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>>1080197
It's barely even worth going fishin if you have to deal with that
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>>1080142
>Tacoma
Too many EBT-Americans there for me
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Anyone ever fish salmon on the ocean? It's pretty much my favorite thing to do.
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>>1080113
Kek
>>1080151
There is more to flyfishing than buggers and clousers. Get a few impressionistic patterns, I like pheasant tails a lot because while they are a mayfly nymph pattern they can look a lot like a stonefly nymph.
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>>1080276
Like these? I've been trying buggers and mix of these for a few hours and haven gotten a bite yet
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>at a public park fishing a small pond
>doing well and having a good time
>some ~15 year old white kid shows up on foot with a rod and a backpack
>pulls a goddamn gopro out of the backpack and points it at himself
>"what's up guys it's your boy about to do some topwater pond fishing out here at the park and i'm hoping to get some absolute LUNKERS today"
>he's doing like a 5 minute monologue
>get in my car and leave
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>>1080343
Lmao. I was at a little pond today and there were two dudes there with like 10 rods between them throwing all sorts of stuff. Including a meme duck. They said they hadn't caught anything.

I managed to get one, but the rain started coming in so I dipped.
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Should I buy an "elite" rod for panfishing?
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>>1080388
Sure.

A good rod is actually nice for panfish because of the light lures and finesse techniques

>>1080343
Jesus christ. I would've tried to get in the background of his shot and outfish him so the video is just some random guy landing fish after fish in the back while kid doesn't catch shit.
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>>1080386
lel i fish a pond at my university when i get the chance and i always see other students using all kids of flashy shit like spinners and crankbaits without any luck. it's a small pond with a lot of grass and if they'd just throw a worm or a fluke they'd be catching shit left and right but i think they watch too many fishing shows or some shit
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>>1080441
I think a lot of people don't know when to use what lures. Like yeah your big swimbait (something else they were using) can catch some damn good fish, but it's probably not the best for dink pond fish. People don't understand pond fishing =/= lake fishing, even from shore. Senkos are still the best lure I've found for ponds.

I also don't understand why people keep using crankbaits when it just gets caught in the grass after two turns.
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Well that was fucked. Cycled through every single fly I had with me spending 6+ hours drifting flies and despite being able to see the trout and cast right infront of them they would even look at it and often swam away scared even if it drifted by them. I found one small pool with hundreds of trout so I sat my ass there and tried to figure out what they would eat but like I said they wouldn't eat anything. I cut the fuzz off of one fly and dug up a worm to put on it and they wouldn't even look at live night crawler. I'm confused
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>fishing with a senko
>catching bass
>add finesse blade to senko
>no more bass
>catching catfish on every cast

what the fuck
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>>1080470
Catfish will hunt baitfish. That blade probably did it
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>>1080456
Similar story when I first went for trout. IMO if you can ever see the fish, they sent worth trying to catch after a few cast.
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What piece of bait fish do you guys like to use for catfish the most. I find the head to be the best.
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>>1080470
>fishing with a senko
>catching nothing
>add a finesse blade
>catching 4" green sunfish
>no seriously it's barely underwater and it's getting slammed by greenies every single cast
The first 5 were funny. Then it got annoying.
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If I ever become president I'm making it illegal for wakeboard boats to be within half a mile of shore. God those faggots piss me off worse than jet skiers.
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>>1080529
I just wanted to catch one brown trout :,(

I did find myself learning a lot about that stream while I was there though so I really had an enjoyable day. Weather was nice, new waders were not hot as balls and are super light. I didn't get skunked either. I found small grass perch in ankle deep water somehow and caught a few of those with little piece of nightcrawler on a shaved fly hook. Got a few pretty blue gills and white suckers too. I saw some fuck huge white suckers in there. I didn't know they got that big. They looked like a medium-small carp just sitting stationary not moving a muscle in the mud nestled up against a tree. There were piles of them, all just laying together not moving at all. If I would step near them they would scatter but after 30 seconds or so they would come right back and sit there. I tried some worms on them but they couldn't give a shit. I dangled a worm perfectly in the face of a giant one and he sucked it up but spit it back out before I could set the hook. I think it just did it out of annoyance. I saw some minnow sized largemouth bass too. Kinda weird but not that weird since the lake is maybe a mile upstream. The only bad part of the day was I managed to loose that fly box I posted earlier in response to skid. It must have floated downstream because there is no way I wouldn't have been able to find it
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>>1080470
>>1080538
Wut is this meme I have never heard of? Did it come in MTB or something?
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>>1080600
I'm not sure, but it reminds me of these things, I have a few that I'm not sure where I got but they've worked well with bucktails, grubs and tiny spinners on them.
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>>1080600
Basically makes weightless Roadrunners.

My walmart carries an off-brand of them, 3pk is $0.89.
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>>1080600
LTB/MTB sent me some willow blades like that one month.
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>>1080537
The head busted or cut so the scent of the 'brain' gets in the water.
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>>1080607
Yeah beetle spins basically. I use those a lot, or underspins (pic related).

I actually just googled "underspin" for the pic and they have weedless swimbait hooks with them too, I def need to keep an eye out for those or maybe next order I make online with BPS I will see if they have em.

>>1080611
Yeah Walmart has the underspins but only 1/16oz and 1/8oz and I have never seen those there. And Dicks + BPS both have the larger 1/4oz jighead underspins that I would really like to grab for thing like the 3"-4" Gulp minnows or lager curly tail grubs. But they want $5.99 for a single one and I refuse to pay it. The 1/8oz one are like $3 for a 6pk, how is one slightly larger one more than 10x the price?

>>1080613
Zombie fish are the best catch
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>>1080607
Fergot pic of "underspin"
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These look dank too.

And the Google image search, it shows pics of tandem and triple blade underspins, but that is bordering on meme lures.

It's funny because I think underspins are an old school thing but they are making a comeback.
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>>1080299
Those look awful big. Size 12, 10, and 8s it looks like to me. Look under rocks for hugs and see what you can mimick
>>1080456
Im sure everyone's had a day like that. Was the water warm?
>>1080571
Damn. That really sucks. Maybe your approaches were not stealthy enough? Leader too short so you drifted your fly line over their heads?
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>>1080571
>grass perch
Wut? Google is confusing too, seems some people use that name for pumpkinseeds and others use it for smaller yellow perch.
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>>1080644
I'll have to get smaller ones then. Have no choice since all those flies are probably bobbing in that creek somewhere. Water felt kinda warm not really sure. Water is really shallow and crystal clear so the sun heats it up quick. I targeted the shaded areas and that's where I saw them. I stood still not moving my legs or my torso at all for 30 minutes targeting one pool where I could see at least 3 pretty big browns swimming around. When ever a fly would go past them the majority of the time they would do nothing. Other times they would swim away quick then stop somewhere close by. I had one stop almost right at my feet. I broke off a bunch of times so I varied my leader length depending on the fly I was using.
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>>1080647
Basically just what you think of when you think of a perch.
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Are ultralight and panfish setups worth dropping a few hundred on? The attraction to me is the accessibility since I don't like near any inshore or prime clearwater fisheries. Is the St.Croix Panfish a good rod? I've never really heard anything bad about St. Croix rods.
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>>1080456
When in doubt, go smaller.
And if you can somehow snag one, cut its stomach open to see what its eating and mimic that.
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>>1080659
Yeah that was the first thing that came up, people refer to smaller yellow perch as grass perch but then a couple more results said it was pumpkinseeds.

>>1080661
Same as spending that money on any other spinning combo. I mentioned it earlier in this thread that you really do want a rod that works well because lots of the cheaper rods are too flimsy to get a good cast on the light baits. And St Croix is straight so I wouldn't worry about any issues as long as you're willing to spend the money.
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>>1080661
IMO no.

I don't like the fact that St. Croix stealth-changed their warranty from lifetime unconditional to 2-year workmanship, but the rods have always been good. I have no experience specifically with their Panfish rods beyond fingerfucking one in a store.
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>>1080537
Most catfish in the rivers near me are too small to take a whole fish head, so nightcrawlers and minnows are the name of the game.
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>>1080668
I should clarify this.

I think spending over $120 combined for a panfish rig is dumb, but I love the shit out of my Fenwick UL. I didn't buy it SPECIFICALLY for panfish (I got it for trout), but even now that I live in a no-trout area I'd buy it again if I had to. I've got maybe $80 sunk into the combo (7'6" Fenwick Eagle UL and Okuma Stratus V 1000)
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>>1079946
I see you are trying out SpiderWire
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>>1080661
I've enjoyed mine. Super light and even though it's an ul you can handle decent size bass and Shit with it no problem
as long as there isn't cover to snap the line on
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>>1080655
Water might be too hot for them then. Trout shut down of theyre hot, and they get high mortality rates in hot water. But definitely look at smaller flies and consider some midges. Hares ears are good too, and it might be worth getting some terrestrials.
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>>1080689
Skid.

How would you rate Trilene XT as viable for tying my own fly leaders?

I've got literally 30 miles of the shit in bulk spools at work. Everything from 6lb to 40lb.
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>>1080690
>>1080689
Oh, also. Fuck with blood knots or would double uni knots be fine? I hate tying blood knots.
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>>1080539
Nah, jet skiers are literal cancer, at least with wakeboarders if they get too close and snag your line, there's a good chance that it will cut the seals on their lower unit, with jet skis they can go near your line with impunity.
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>>1080691
Pic related is what I tie my leaders in, so trilene should be fine. Just finish with tippet, trust me, it's worth it.
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>>1080667
>>1080668
>>1080675
>>1080686
Thanks, I'm mostly looking into a setup for fun afternoons when I can't get out to the ocean. I don't mind dropping some money on a rod that I'll use for a long time, should I just get a Penn Fierce for it or is there a better reel for ultralight?
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>>1080712
get something diawa or shimano in the same price range, you'll be much happier
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>>1080705
They're all cancer, but at the lake by my house there's a group of 3 wake board boats that come within 40 feet of shore regardless if anyone is fishing. I almost want to purposely try to get my line snagged on one of their boats.
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>>1080715
bring your heaviest rod with the biggest fuckhuge mono you can get , whip a 2-3 ounce lead right at them, be sure to not have the line tied to the reel, let them take the full amount out to get tangled in their prop
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>>1080716
>>1080715
Zebco omniflex is $3 at china mart and comes in #50 and a shakespeare catfish combo is something like $19
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>>1080691
Double unis work too.
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>>1080731
>>1080691
Double unies will work, but I prefer a blood knot for most of it then an improved blood knot for leader to tippet. It pleases my autism
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>>1080712
the penn reels are heavy as shit although they have decent drags.

Shimano would be better for UL so your rod will feel more balanced and the drag is just as smooth. You don't need the full metal body that the penn has for UL fishing. I like the shimano sahara or sedona for that price range.
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do any of you guys use those speed clip things? i hate bringing more than one rod with me if i'm walking around a pond or shoreline, but i also hate tying polamar knots constantly. will speed clips increase my chances of losing a lure or anything like that?
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>>1080743
sea-money fishing uses them all the time and doesn't seem to have a shortage of bites or any problems and he's landing big inshore fish. I'd say they are fine.

I use these pig-tail type speed clips and they work okay. Some lures need to be tied directly though otherwise their action isn't quite right. I have some lucky-craft plugs that swim like shit without being tied directly to the line.
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A nurse I work with got me this for my birthday along with a $50 gift card. Do you think she wants my dick?
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>>1080754
Try texting her pic related

Seriously though, good shit
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>>1080754
Sound like she's hooked on getting some of your senkos in her o ring if you know what I mean
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>>1080792
>lewd
I wish I were fishin...
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>>1080691
I dont understand why you would want to use double uni over blood. Tying a blood is literally the same thing as tying double uni, except tying double uni is more work

Both are fine since they both have better strenght than the line you tie in on. Unis wont ever cut themselves like bloods in theory might do.

That being said, ive fished +10 years using half bloods for literally everything its possible using it for. Jigs, Jerks, spinners, everything and ive never lost anything because of a weak knot. Ive switched over to unis recently just because, and i honestly cant tell the difference. Both are also fine for wacking your way out of snags and do fine when you somehow catch 5 clams and 3 rocks.

Using a blood over double uni always give you a smoother/slimmer knot, weather or not you give a shit about that is up to you. Personally i would never use a double uni instead of a blood, i cannot think of a single reason it should be better.

Also, looking online, theres aparently serveral ways of tying a bloodknot, this is the way you should do it, the other ones are retarded and doesnt make any sense
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>Sunday
>hooked 1 big snook and broke off caught 1 26" snook
>decided to throw from the beach after the pier closed
>hook a big fucking TARPON
>jumped almost right away
>fought it for a minute before it spit the hook
Holy shit that was awesome
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It ate a white 6" keitech fatty
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>Pike migrate to deepers waters during the summer because the water is cooler out there

>Pike migrate to the deeper waters during winter because its warmer there

Which one is it? Ive gone fishing for pike recently and i dont have access to a boat. Ive thrown everything in existence at them with no luck, i even resorted to live bait and still nothing. I think my next step is gonna be to toss live/dead bait far out and fishing the bottom with it, the only problem being that its not very easy to throw livebait very far without losing it, and also. the bait is just gonna sit in the weeds and hide out there.

Halp
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>>1080708
How are these cheap lines?
I figure they're bad for spooling on your reel since no one really talks about them
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>>1080908
It's both. The water at the bottom of deep lakes will be more stable and at a constant temperature year round. If you want pike at this time of year, you'll have to find a creek with them in.
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>>1080893
Because I can tie a double uni in my sleep but routinely fuck up blood knots because I've used them so rarely. Guess I'll just practice it, not like I don't have access to literally free line.

>>1080708
I scored about 1200 yards of mixed mono and fluoro tippet by Sci Angler from Gander's closeouts for around $10. They'd just shipped in a bunch of the 150 yard "guide spools" and had them all priced the same because they're retarded, I have literally no excuse to not use it.

My concern with the Trilene was despite being the XT and thus stiff by Trilene standards it might've still been a little limp. But hey, free is free.

Tied one up last night, 17-->14-->10lb, would've preferred 20-->15-->10 but apparently I don't have any 20lb there. Either would work out to approximately a 3x leader. Gonna see if I have anything in the 25lb range and tie some 1x leaders for pestering pike and big bass.

Next question: 5ft or 7ft leaders for topwater or shallow-running streamers for bass?
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>tfw Bass Pro doesn't open til 10am
Lazy cunts. Most sports places are like 8:30am-9:30am and bait shops often open close to 5am.

I'm on the clock! I want to look for those underspin swimbait hooks or the screw lock spinners. Tryin not to buy anymore hard baits tho because of that Dick's order too. Anxious to see when that one actually shows up because the ordering page told me like 9 days and that's a long time even for economy shipping. When I ordered a rod and reel combo from them, that one came in like 4-5 days.

>>1080908
The deeper the water, the slower it changes with air temp. So late spring when it's getting warm, the shallow areas will get real warm from the sun fast and then in the fall the shallow water is going to get cold early.
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>>1080911
They're thick, stiff, and rarely pull their listed weight. As a result, they're generally pretty shit for general fishing use. If you need cheap line, either pay for a respool at somewhere like Dick's (2-4 cents a yard of Trilene) or buy something like Trilene Big Game.

However, they do have niche uses, such as tying your own flyfishing leaders, which are SUPPOSED to be thick and stiff because they turn flies over well.
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>>1080924
That's the same reason I do the uni-uni. Tie em well and they will be smooth enough.
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>>1080908
Both are technically true. Moving into winter the lower parts will get colder up until freezeup. Then the lake "flips" and the cold water actually rises, then freezes on the surface, so warmer on the bottom in winter and cooler on the bottom rest of the year.
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>>1080925
>>1080923
at what temperatures can i expect pike to return to the shallows?
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>>1080931
Spring. Best time to catch giants is when the ice is receding from the lake. I've seen it sometimes where the lake has thawed just enough to create a little gap of 10 or so feet of exposed water next to the shore and there were pike sitting there super shallow
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>>1080931
If I remember correctly, it's about 55-60 degrees fahrenheit
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First jerkbait fish. Just barely tapped it and didn't fight at all bringing it in, thought I hooked grass
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No underspin deals besides the tiny panfish ones. Got pic related, don't really understand how those hooks are any better than jigheads but whatever. I actually bought some 4" Yamamotos on clearance at Dick's recently and have yet to use em. But I think those little senkos might be the way to go for summer pond bass.

I need to stop spending money on this shit. On the upside those big X-Raps I got for $6.99 at Dick's are like $17 at Bass Pro. 3/4oz is gonna be pretty damn big tho.
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>>1080947
>3/4 x raps are too big
I use the 2oz long cast x raps and They still are too small some days.
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>>1080908
It's both. Deeper water stays more constant in both the winter and summer.

Idk about pike, but you can find bass shallow all through the year, except for maybe winter. As long as there's baitfish, access to deep water, and cover there should be bass.
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Every time I go to sleep after fishing, I involuntarily visualize the bobber jerking around. Is this normal?
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>>1080952
I have a MH spinning setup that will be perfect. And I could probably even run them for winter bass.I didn't even know how big 3/4oz was, but I believe Size 10 is 1/2oz so I knew they weren't fuckhueg. I will def try to run them in the Intercoastal a bit.

I mostly just don't have room in my tackle box for them. It's 2x 3/4oz (Size 14 I think) and one 1/4oz which is Size 6 or 8.
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>>1080946
Beautiful crappie. Hope you catch more.
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>>1080947
A good man that works at my tackle shop likes those zman trd ned rigd, all he fishes lately for dem smallies.
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>>1080971
Ned rigs are great, just be aware that if you're fishing rock bottoms you will lose a lot of jigheads fishing the mushroom style jigheads. A stand-up shakey head works almost as well though.

>>1080947
>buys TRDs
>doesn't buy PB&J and bubblegum
You fukt up
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>>1080958
SET THE HOOK ANON!
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>>1080982
That's why I love cheap jigs. Not only is it less money when I lose them but often you bend the cheap hooks before the line breaks.
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>>1080986
The mushroom jigs will actually wedge the head in/under rocks. You're not getting those back unless you can pull the rock up.

Shakeys and stand-up shakeys don't get wedged as much.
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>>1080958
>>1080983
One time I pulled the curtains down from my window in my sleep trying to set a hook on a peacock bass in my dream. My entire yard was flooded like 6 feet deep and there were fish everywhere and I was fishing from the roof. I live in Arkansas; there aren't even peacock bass here.
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>>1080982
Yeah I have some shakey heads too or I will just Texas rig em with lighter weights. It's all about the same, shakey heads and football jigs n shit never stand up as well in practice, esp when fishing from shore,

And I thought about bubblegum but I have some Trick Worms in that color and I beleve I have a pack of Yums (5"?) in that bubblegum and orange color.

>>1080986
This is also why I would rather just Texas rig it most of the time but I figured I would try one pack.

>>1080987
Half the time I run that shit on the bottom anyway, it comes up covered in that stringy algae. They had the weedless ned rigs too with the little wire but thaf's just more for the stringy shit to get caught on.
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Thank thrift store. Rod looks custom built. No make or brand and guides are wrapped with thread. reel I don't care for
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>>1081025
These cork handles tho.
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>>1081025
That's actually a decent quality reel, or would be if the spool wasn't chewed to shit.

Better pics of the rod?
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>>1080969
Thanks m8. It's my second crappie ever, the only other was on a beetlespin. Fun fish to catch
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>>1081036
Little Rapalas, Beetle Spins,1/4oz Rat-L-Traps and white curly tail grubs on anything were my favorites for crappie.
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>>1081025
Man, not really talking about this piece in particular but in sorta breaks my heart when I see very old reels/rods/tackle boxes in the thrift store. Just makes me think some old guy passed away and his family got rid of his "junk".
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>>1081046
>4 guides

Truly we used to be savages
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>>1080743
River and inshore fishing is different, but for pond fishing near me, I've found that most of the fish are extremely line shy due to high fishing pressure.
Without a snap I get over 10x the hits I did with a snap.
Your experience may be different, but for me the extra hassle of tying straight on is the difference between catching and not.
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>>1080754
Sounds like she wants to see your worm fishing finesse technique up close and personal.
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Caught this sea beast of 5.8lb / 2,63kg last night at around midnight. Those Gulp sandeels truly are effective during night time.
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>>1079898
Anon, did they ship everything you ordered?

Got a shipping confirmation and they only shipped the one Yo-Zuri and not the rest of the X-Raps. When I ordered them they were all supposedly in stock but I'm sure they sold a shit ton of them considering they were like 70% off.

I wonder what will happen. If they get delayed a few days, whatever. But if they try and pull some shit and tell me 2 months or say "we're sorry, that color is discontinued and we are just going to cancel them" then I will bitch and complain until they give me 3 more $15-$20 X-Raps for $7ea.
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>>1081077
Also an entire week shipping for one lure? I wonder if that's true. I'm just impatient but cunts coulda dropped it in a USPS priority mail envelope and sent it here in 2 days for $1.50
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>>1081073
>post this
>zero replies
>post dink bass
>12 replies
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>>1081077
>>1081080
Dicks employee here.
1. Stuff does not ship out of a warehouse, it's all "ship from store." We don't even actually have a warehouse.
2. Since it's all ship from store, that means some poor fucker has to wander around the store trying to find the proper item. If they can't, they deny the order and it gets kicked to another store further away. Since this was a huge sales weekend (baseball's going, football's going, soccer's still going, back-to-school just started, gear-up for deer season just started) stores are fucking trashed and even if the lure's physically in the store it may not be on its proper peghook and thus they can't find it
3. We are contracted with UPS, it's cheaper for us to ship with them than anyone else (a shoebox costs us about 40 cents to ship, a mailer bag with a couple crankbaits in it costs us like 2 cents to ship) due to that contract.
4. The "free shipping" option is 3-6 business days, and generally you'll have it closer to 3 days than 6 regardless what the estimate is.
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>>1081084
I post a lot of big trouts (look at the top of the thread also). I guess people are just used to them, which isnt a bad thing at all :)
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>>1081084
Nigger it has been like an hour. And nobody here really fishes for sea trout. Quit yer bitchin.

Reddit is over there if you want upvotes and people to jerk you off.
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>>1080911
I wouldnt spool a rod with it, and you have to tie knots with absolute confidence, because if you half cinch them then try to really seat them they break, but if you seat them hard and suddenly, they're perfectly strong. They also turn flies over beautifully, because of how stiff it is. But again, I wouldn't spool a rod with it.
>>1080924
Dont make your butt stiffer for heavier spplicstions, just adjust your leader taper
For trout on a 9 foot leader I tie something like this
>4 feet of 20
>2 feet of 15
>18 inches of #10
>2 feet of 3x tippet
But then for a 9 foot bass leader I tie this
>5 feet of #20
>2.5 feet of #15
>2 feet of 1x or 0x tippet
I just increase the butt section to make a stronger, more aggressive leader
>>1081085
I used to work at dicks, can confirm this is true
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Today was a good day. Got some time off and spent the day canoeing up the Charles River and throwing weedless rigged worms into weed patches. Got a few small largemouths like this, then drifted downstream into an area with a lot more downed timber. Saw a bunch of panfish chasing my worm so I switched over to a tiny hard bait to see if I could hook some and the biggest bass of the day swoops out of nowhere and smashes it. Also saw a Bald Eagle which is pretty rare for eastern mass.
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>>1081040
I had a white/pink head marabou jig on my beetlespin when I got my first crappie. White seems to be the common denominator
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>>1080754
She got you hooked the fuck up for wacky rigging my dude. Go fishing with her
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Recommendation for a newbie rig?
Only place I fish is off the piers or in a kayak down on the Texas Gulf Coast by Corpus Christi Port A or even up by Matagorda Bay

I used to use cheap ass $50 pole from Academy Sports but that was because I was just getting into it. Any suggestions? My budget is around $150-200
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>>1081121
Those Mini Mites, the white body with pink head is probably my favorite. If I give up on bass and go panfishin and they won't take smaller spinners or cranks, I break out the UL and they slam that thing.
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>>1081025
Reel is perfectly serviceable, and far from used up. Those 70s and 80s-era Daiwas are made in Japan and incredibly reliable, if a little noisy due to all-metal parts and such.
Some fresh grease on the gears and a few drops of oil on the bail, drag and roller bearing and it'll run smoothly for another couple of decades without a hitch.
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>>1081132
Probably a Penn combo

>#185 (I think, not sure how I fucked up so bad)
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>>1081057
Probably did. It's why I almost never buy new rods and reels unless I can't help it.
If you're in a place where any amount of people fish regularly, they'll be all over thrift stores, pawn shops, yard sales and CL. And often just posting a notice that you're looking for some stuff gets people wanting to give you their old rods and reels for cheap or free.




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