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ultralight backpackers only.
if your pack is over 4.5kg (~10lbs)
fuck off
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5.5lbs here. i Just hiked 25 miles before lunch all while blowing big ass clouds
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>10lb base weight
>UL
Uhh, no.
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how do you deal with ultralight ruining backpacking?

There are no overnight trips to take in my area anymore because I can hike so fast with the reduced weight that all trips are now day trips
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That tent fucking blows, lightweight is useless unless you have a good tent/hammock
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>>1100286
If you still like to camp then just do it
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>>1100282
how much does your rig weigh?

interested in moving to a UL vape setup myself
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Thank god a containment thread for you mongrels
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>>1100287
Its an ultra light tarp you fag
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>>1100289
you fucking mad that we rule the woods you +10lb pack beta cuck?
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>>1100288
My rig is only 50grams. Vape Juice is a consumable so i dont count that
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I have been looking for a nice tarp for man van instead of buying a fiama awning.
Any suggestions?
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>>1100295

is that van over 4.5kg? kek
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>>1100295
>tfw no van
I just wanna drive around the country hiking and sleeping in my van.
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>>1100279
this is my UL Pack. base weight is 2.5 pounds
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8.5 Lbs winter pack

>tfw no faggot poles
>tfw tent that's actually warm
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>>1100282
do they call you steam train?
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>>1100282
Were the clouds big or were you actually blowing it out your ass
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>>1100300
You can make it happen anon. People said it would get boring.
It never gets boring.
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>mfw my empty backpack weighs nearly 5 1/2 lbs
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>>1100293
>calls others beta cuck
>is so beta he cant even carry over 10lbs

Did chad used to pick on you?
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>>1100319
Looks like freshly purchased Chinese plastic. Have you ever been camping?
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>>1100293
>rule the woods
>ultralight

I can only laugh so hard

The only thing you guys rule is the outdoor section of amazon.com lmao
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I carry the comforts that I feel are worth the weight. My baseweight is 20lbs. This doesn't make me more or less of a man in comparison to somebody with a 50lb pack or somebody with a 5lb pack. I hike my own hike and you should to. Bunch of faggots need to stop dick measuring and remember why we go out in the first place. Don't lose sight of what's important.
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>>1100329
The third possibility but often forgotten about possibility would be that he was blowing clouds while being a big ass
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>>1100401
Did you really come on 4chan to tell people to stop shit posting? Maybe you should migrate back to plebbit.
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>>1100289
>>1100387
>>1100394
The containment thread thing only works if you don't come in here and try to harass them. Mind you, everyone has their own reason for going innawoods
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>>1100413
Yep, I came onto 4chan to make that post. You caught me.
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>>1100279
Daily reminder that using food drops isn't hiking
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>>1100509
Poorfag detected
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>>1100387
>Zach
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>>1100279
That's gay
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>>1100390
Hard to break in gear in the backyard.
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>>1100284
UL is defined as a sub 10lb BW. Your splitting some lame hairs saying a BW of 10 isn't UL.
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>>1100509
Is buying food from shops allowed?
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>>1100279
My base is 9.5lb currently, super comfy as well. Looking to try tarp camping soon which if successful should bring my base down to ~8lb.
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>>1100709
Buying food isn't hiking or eating
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>>1100279
I use a game cart and carry anything I want.
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>>1100778
>he doesn't urban hike
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>>1100786
have fun with yur pollution+robbers
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btw.

... this is Cliff
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Cuben fiber has been around for 25+ years now, how is DSM Dyneema the only company legally allowed to produce it? It ought to be as cheap as nylon ripstop now.
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>>1100708
>implying there's a consensus
I've heard people say sub 15 is UL
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>>1100286
>thinking this
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>>1100803
Maybe I need to get out of my current circles a bit more. I thought <10 was pretty universal.
>>1100803
Yeah considering it's almost disposable it's a shame it isn't cheaper.
>>1100778
I mean of course buying food isn't hiking. It's buying food. But are you seriously telling me if you were to walk for over a month you would be living off the land or carrying all your food? Both seem unlikely. If this stops you from hiking for longer then you are missing out. Long distance walking is far more fun than camping in your mum's garden IMO but each to their own.
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>>1100792
urban hunting works too
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Anyone else enema before going on a hike?

I can clean out about 10lbs of fecal matter before a hike which means I'm technically running on a negative base weight of -3.2lbs as my non-enema base weight is 6.8lbs.
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>>1100793
Hi cliff
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Funny how ultra-light meme fags always carry those useless walking sticks.
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sometimes I'll remove an arm before a camping trip. Saves like 4 lbs.
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>>1100990
Edgy
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Has anyone met a UL fag they've actually liked?
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>he doesn't leach some of the fuel out of his canisters to lighten them
Casuals
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>>1100983
>fecal matter
Counts as worn weight you dunce.
>>1100990
I bet you carry tent poles.
>>1100992
Same as above.
>>1101062
I like me.
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>>1100390
Its called backpacking, and its the only way to get away from the pussies who hangout at the campground beside the parking lot
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>>1100401
>My baseweight is 20lbs

Are you still pre-op?
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>>1101090
>I bet you carry tent poles.
Yo, nigguh!
Check out this amazing mother nature gave us!

Unless... unless....

>I'm so ultra light I dont carry a knoif to cut sticks, besides knoifs kill people, "save a life - bin that knife!" I always say mate, we don't have any trees anyway, we cut them all down centuries ago to go into wool production.
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>tfw I hike 30 miles a day with a MINIMUM of 25lbs on my back, just for fun.

Like, I don't even need half that shit. It's just for fun.

It absolutely confuses me why people above 100lbs would even feel like a 40lb pack is a game changer.

I'm 6ft and 180lbs, hiking 30 miles in a day for me is only a challenge if I'm packing 110lbs of elk on my back.
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>>1101418
alpine areas don't have much in the way of sticks. neither do open areas. plus, once you learn how to use the wrist strap to push, it's amazing how much power can be delivered easily through proper hiking poles.
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>>1101472
t. baby legs
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4.2kg
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>>1101418
I carry a knife but still prefer trekking poles.
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>>1101531
Got a lighterpack? I prefer chart based autism to photographic autism.
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>>1101471
>I'm 6ft and 180lbs
FYI other people are not you.
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>>1100319
>that fucking setup

Please come up to Canada or Alaska and camp with that this winter, I'm sure it will work great!l
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>>1101531
>2017
>still wearing clothes..
>ISHYGDDT
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Everyone here are absolute pussies. UL =/= "muh set weight number". It means what you're capable of doing without. When I was a Buddhist I spent a whole fucking week innawoods with only these objects on me:
>winchester bowie
>lighter
>incense burner
>3 books (mind of clover, shobogenzo, dhammapada)
>4 cans of mixed veggies
>tube tarp
>5ft nylon cord
>a fleece throw "blanket"
>2 litre of water
THAT'S IT.
I survived off 4 cans of veggies and whatever the hell else I could find to eat (spruce tea and pine flesh was a meal one day, it sucked). I traveled well over 200 miles. I wore the same clothes for SEVEN. FUCKING. DAYS. without ever even taking them off (You dont want to how this feels, trust me). Good thing I decided to do this trip on a rainy week, or else I would have surely dehydrated. All of my free time was spent in zazen, or foraging.

What did I learn from this little adventure? That anyone who actually (and I mean ACTUALLY) does UL camping as a hobby must be operating at an extremely high level of retardation.

>NEVER AGAIN.
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>>1102898
Oh, and if you guys were wondering:

My "backpack" was a 3 litre dry bag. I wore a pair of newbalance 416 running shoes, 2 shirts, 1 sweater, 1 jacket (Dickies, not waterproof), cargo khakis, a pair of pj bottoms, 2 pairs of socks, and a pair of boxers.
>not even the dead know peace from this evil
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>>1102898
>>1102900
7/10 made me chuckle
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>>1102898
Have you ever been camping ? That seems like too much gear to bring
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>>1102898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHokGQ4BkV8
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>>1102970
He goes full retard ultra light, yet he still brings a big ass stove and cooking gear?

>What a fucking dumbass
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>>1102976
stuhpid?
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>>1102973
Dude, I'm on the internet, it's not often I open up about how autistic I was back in the day.
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Yeah buddy, MLD Burn arrived today. Very happy with it! Base weight down to 8lb.
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>>1103184
Dude, you are not autistic you are a brainwashed idiot
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>>1102970
I love this pic. Dude looks like he's having such a miserable time.
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>>1103840
not him, but
>was
Also let's be fair, autists are just self-brainwashed idiots with selective focus.
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>>1100711
cozy looking tent, buddy
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>>1102898
2 litres of water for a whole week?

yeah,
No.
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>>1100983
Dude thats really clever maybe Reddit Ultralight could use some tips.
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new to out, what's the point of UL is it just for people who can't carry more or am I missing something? also how do I calculate base weight?
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>>1105046
Yeah, I was born with this rare condition where I'm a pencilnecked fairyboy. Ultralight lets me enjoy the outdoors like everyone else. It's really changed my life.
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>>1105046

> how do I calculate base weight?

There wouldn't be any point unless you want to brag here about carrying extra stuff to prove how dumb you are
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>>1105048
I'm just curious what my baseweight is, fully loaded with water and food is 25lb which is fine for me
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>>1105049
baseweight is everything except water and food
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>>1105046
Base weight is >>1105060

The reason people discuss it is to understand how much gear you are bringing/ type of outting. Nobody is doing a long trail with a high base weight and lots of people who do long trails discuss ways to cut down on base weight.
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>>1105046
I enjoy trying to get my pack as minimal and light as possible as it's fun. Also my job is pretty hard on the body so it's nice limiting the weight I have to carry while I indulge in pleasure time.
>>1104328
Yeah man! Trekkertent's Stealth. It's a really well priced tent for the weight. If you can deal with the lead times...
>>1105060
Base weight exclude worn items and _any_ consumables, so fuel and so on as well.
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>>1105094
>Base weight exclude worn items and _any_ consumables, so fuel and so on as well.
but that's usually 3/4ths or better of a pack's total weight.

Literally what is the point then (besides the obvious of epeen waving)?
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>>1105245
You'll understand 200 miles into your first long trip.
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>>1105245
>10lb of consumables + 25lb of gear = 35lb
>10lb of consumables + 8lb of gear = 18lb
>17lb difference. ~7.7kg.
Not really sure what is so hard to understand about that.
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>>1105245
Epeen wa-- wait, besides that? Yeah, nothing. I know I could just buy the gear and go outside and use it, but I'd much rather spend hours online talking about it. At least it's air conditioned in here.
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I'm glad /out/ hates the ultralight community, but it's very useful for innovating new and cheap gear that weighs fuck all, which is very very nice when you're travelling far.

There's a reason old soldiers are unhealthy. "Rucking" fucks your knees, back and cartiladge big time, meaning you won't be able to enjoy /out/ with your grandkids

so, ultraautists, what would you eliminate and replace from this kit, and what would you add?
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>>1105253
Except it's more like
>25lbs of consumables +8lb of gear =33lb
>25lbs of consumables + 7lb of gear =32lb
Unless you're:
1. bringing a buttload of unnecessary shit
2. Literally poverty-tier car camper setup (I'm talking about everything including consumables is under $100 total)
3. Winter high-altitude summiting setup
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>>1105276
>8lb of gear
But that's already a UL setup
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>>1105273
>what would you eliminate
For starters, the 2lb, 1000D cordura water bottle carrier.

Both knives, since neither are even locking blades much less fixed blade and you're not going to need 3 fucking different screwdrivers /ultralight/ing

Why do you have 2 coffee cups? Ditch the smaller one. You can eat and drink at different times.

Two ferro rods, THREE lighters, a match case, three packs of tinder, and two bottles of alcohol hand sanitizer? Ditch one of each and the matches entirely.

I literally don't even know what the grey thing in the small bag is to the right of your spork, so it can go away.

Ditch the airplane mints. Why of all things, Delta mints?

The black springy thing in the bottom left. Those look like giant hackle pliers. Unless you're planning on tying a 36/0 muskie fly while ultralight backpacking, that can go away.
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>>1105279
Not really. That's a Jansport backpack, 2-person Coleman tent, cheap semi-mummy bag from Walmart (also probably Coleman), and a hobo stove.

Remember, "base weight" means nothing worn, no fuel, no food, no water.
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>>1105289
That's not getting you in at a base weight of 8 lbs. Plus you still need other stuff, utensils, clothes, sleeping pad, flashlight, water bottles, etc.
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>>1105293
>plus you still need other stuff
Not really. They're nice to have but let me refer you back to >>1105276
>1. bringing a buttload of unnecessary shit
So let's break this down.
>clothes
Okay, maybe if you're out for over a week you'll want a couple pairs of socks and drawers. Socks weigh, what, about 3oz per pair for good midweight merino? And I'm gonna assume you wear a tech-fabric boxer brief as well, 4oz. So 2 of each takes us to 14oz. But guess what? 99% of /out/ings are 2 nights tops, no real need to take extra clothes. Same applies to cold/wet weather clothing.
>utensils
oooh, a whole fraction of an ounce for a $3 aluminum spork! (the Sea to Summit Alpha Spork literally weighs 0.18oz without the dumb little carabiner it comes with, and is $5). If you need more than a spork, you're doing it wrong.
>sleeping pad
Totally not needed for 3-season camping, which is 99.9% of all camping. Buuut, if you insist, a half-length Z-lite Sol is 10oz.
>flashlight
Totally not needed for ANY camping. But if you insist, an Olight I3S *with battery* weighs 0.48oz.
>water bottles
...use commercial bottled water water bottles? They're free and weigh next to nothing (empty 1L Evian bottle weighs 0.09oz, so double that for still under a fifth of an ounce).
>etc
If it's not important enough to name individually you don't need it. End of story.

So let's see here. We added in every single item in your list, and it increased our base weight by....24.84oz, or 1.55lbs.

WHICH TAKES US TO:
>25lbs of consumables + 9.55lbs of gear = 34.55lb
>25lbs of consumables + 8lbs of gear = 33lb
>25lbs of consumables + 7lbs of gear = 32lb
wew lad, the mere thought makes me sweat!
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>>1105300
Find me the sleeping bag, tent and pack that weigh 8 lbs, you aren't doing it with the stuff you mentioned earlier.

A sleeping pad and even a jacket are pretty much required unless you are hiking somewhere really warm. I've had my water freeze overnight in Death Valley in Spring.

Most people aren't hitting sub 10lbs without at least trying to buy light weight items. I agree, it's not that hard if you purchase smartly.
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>>1105345
>sleeping bag
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/field-stream-wisperlite-50-sleeping-bag-15fnsafswsprlt50fcsl/15fnsafswsprlt50fcsl
2lb 8oz
>tent
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/quest-2-person-dome-tent-16queuqst5x72prsncat/16queuqst5x72prsncat
3lb4oz trail weight
>pack
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/jansport-equinox-40l-internal-frame-pack-17janaqnx40lntrnlctp/17janaqnx40lntrnlctp
2lb9oz

For a total weight of 8lb 5oz. Oh noes, with 2 minutes of looking on a single website I busted the 8lb cutoff by less than half a pound!
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>>1105356
>>1105345
Oh I should also mention that all 3 of those combined is only $145.
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>>1105356
dicks sporting goods....aka Cuckmart
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>>1105361
>I have no actual rebuttal so I will resort to baseless namecalling
Got it, you're BTFO.
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>>1105356
oh wait wait wait
For $5 more you can get this sleeping bag, which shaves 10oz off and drops us to 7lb 11oz.
>https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/marmot-aspen-50deg-sleeping-bag-16mrmaspn50smrcsbcsl/16mrmaspn50smrcsbcsl
For $150 even.
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>>1100279
>10lbs
this dry or with food/water?
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>>1105358
>>1105361
>>1105363
That tent is basically disposable with no rain fly and I am wary that the tent and sleeping bag will fit in the pack with food etc.
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>>1105381
The tent has a rainfly. Not a GOOD rainfly, but it's a fucking $20 tent. We're not talking "best of the best" gear, we're talking about how someone new to camping and on a budget can entirely accidentally into a sub-8lb base weight.

Both sleeping bags pack up really small. The Marmot packs to slightly bigger than a softball (roughly 6" diameter) and the F&S packs to about 1" diameter bigger than that. Both come with compression sacks. Unless you're taking super bulky food (or, again, >>1105276
1. bringing a buttload of unnecessary shit) there's no reason at all it wouldn't fit in a 40L backpack.
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>>1105386
You're still neglecting clothes. Down vest, rain gear, gloves, hat, etc.
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>>1105389
And you are still intentionally ignoring the fact that 99.9% of campers/hikers/backpackers will not need a down vest, gloves, hat, or "etc" 99.9% of the time.

You basically do not need ANY of that shit below the red line in pic related from March to November, and almost never need any of that shit below the black line.
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>>1105391
I literally was caught in a blizzard yesterday despite nice weather when I started. Please tell me more about how proper clothing is unnecessary.
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>>1105399
ONE MORE TIME since you are clearly FUCKING DAFT.

If you are above the red line, or live/camp/hike above 7500ft, you are STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT.
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Can any outists reccomend a gear list for hammocking above tree level?

I want to do the length of Norway. I've been looking at hiking pole hammock stands, but they're custom made by some esoteric gran and I don't know about their quality. HandyHammock looks good, but its weight is 1kg - pretty fucking rich when added to walking poles.

What do bros? Weight is actually important since I'll be going through areas with 5 days worth of food and windproof clothing
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>>1105409
If you're not above 7500ft you're not /out/. Sorry if that triggers you southerners.
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>>1105434
...you honestly believe that don't you?

You sir are mentally ill.
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>>1105391
whats that black route
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>>1105516
That's the "it almost never gets below freezing below this line" line.
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>>1105279
>>1105293
>>1105345
>>1105361
>>1105381
>>1105389
Goddamn you got owned fucking hard.

>>1105386
Out of curiosity is there a middle-price-point route for this? I want not-shit gear but I also don't wanna go full $1000 gucci to shave 1lb off my pack weight.
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>>1105391

You don't know what you're talking about. Have you never been over 10000 feet? You need that gear pretty much year round at any serious elevation.

I live in Denver and regularly spend time at elevation. I've seen snow in the middle of July. Shut up with your lowlander nonsense.

Don't need a hat March to November wtf.
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>>1105723
You are arguing with a retard
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>>1105409
>STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT.
That doesn't matter to the individual caught in a blizzard.
>>1105422
>hammocking above tree level?
Unless you want to carry some sort of frame or stands just get a ground shelter.
>>1105377
Base weight = no consumables (fuel, water, food)
>>1105276
If all your non consumable gear = <10lb then that is UL. It's got nothing to do with price, material or anything else.
>>1105273
>I'm glad /out/ hates the ultralight community,
Who cares about the community? Ignore them! But that doesn't stop the fact that having a light pack is great. I love having a 7lb base weight but can't stand insta-whore John Z wanna bes.
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>>1105873
>the individual caught in a blizzard
Good thing that's physically impossible for 99.9% of people who backpack or camp.
That would also count as a niche situation requiring niche gear. Unless you also want to argue that everybody should carry an ice axe, crampons, climbing harness, and a dozen chocks even if they're doing an overnighter in the Florida panhandle in August.
>>1105723
>thinking a statistically significant number of people do ANYTHING above 10,000 feet
Just doesn't happen frequently enough to address. Literally less than one tenth of one percent of all backpackers will ever in their entire lives go over 10,000 feet for even one second. Which means any gear tailored to keeping your goofy ass alive above 10,000 feet is specialty/niche gear and NOT FUCKING INCLUDED in a "here's a general backpacking setup" setup.

And ONE MORE TIME because you are DENSE AS SHIT and FUCKING RETARDED I will direct you to >>1105391
>And you are still intentionally ignoring the fact that 99.9% of campers/hikers/backpackers will not need a down vest, gloves, hat, or "etc" 99.9% of the time.
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>>1106035
lol. i have literally never been on a backpacking trip that DIDN'T go over 10,000'.
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>>1106192
should visit the grand canyon then. broadened my horizon
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>>1106198
Still above 7000' and definitely gets severe winter weather
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>>1106227
Can confirm. Hiked rim to rim in November and got caught in a blizzard near the south rim on the way out. Would have been in serious trouble without micro spikes and winter gear. Summer fags go home!
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>>1106035

Literally every backpacker in colorado goes over 10k. I would imagine it's the same for utah.
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>>1102898
>>1102900

>tfw trying to sound hard lets everyone know how soft you really are
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>>1105516

That's the fuck Kansas line
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>>1100319
>no stove
>no extra clothes

looks like you're missing some stuff
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Zpacks Hexamid arrived today. Swish shelter! Man cuben is a crazy material! Wish it wasn't so expensive.
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>>1105297
The best setup I've seen on /out/
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>>1100511
what you buy niggers to pack your food?
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Rain wear suggestions?
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>>1106596
Last time I went camping in the rain it was miserable and cold and my tent rain fly leaked because the seam sealer needed to be reapplied. Anyone out there plz gib advice.
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>>1106596
>>1106612
Summer rain --> quick drying shorts and shirt

Cold rain --> properly treated membrane jacket and pants or cheapo poncho

There's hundreds of options, but whats best depends on how much you want to spend, how often you use it, and what you will be doing /out/.
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>>1106596
>>1106612
Give us some details.

Where I live, a cheapo packable rainsuit (such as the Frogg Toggs getup that's like $25) is more than sufficient in the winter, and in the summer you're generally better off just getting rained on.

I realize that's not true in a lot of places though.
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>going innawoods with more than a butcher's knife and a banana hammock
7.2oz
get on my level filthy casuals
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>>1100279
>tfw 40 kilo ruck
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>>1106596
If you love somewhere really wet you have to make peace with the fact that no matter what you wear, walking all day in the rain will result in getting wet. Focus on staying warm and drying fast. Also get used to practicing a good wet/dry system. You're day gear stays damp and your night gear stays dry. That way you can remain pretty comfy with only two sets of clothes. Ponchos are great, umbrellas are also awesome if the wind stays down.
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>>1106596
Ikea poncho




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