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>be me
>study financially worthless subject in uni
>broke but get to travel the world
>be /out/ half year
>in some desert middle eastern tent adventure
>getting dick sucked by US college chicks on project
>fuck up academics because you only care for actual adventure (was good in writing papers but f'ed up hanging out with the nerds)
>be a fisherman my whole life (since 5 years old in competition n shiet)
>now stuck back home again
>craving /out/ so fuckin much
>mentally rottening away at a McJob right now putting everything into baller fishing and /out/ gear

shall i consider starting vanlife guys? i wanna fuckin /out/ and i know i will never be a financial chad. Thinking of getting a van, go fish europe and go to festivals on the weekends doing acid and getting fuckin blowjobs again (not happening at McJob right now; i am just the weirdo with cool adventure stories; my co-workers are bluepilled NPCs i like them but you know what i mean).

tl:dr: old /out/ fag stuck in the city. thinks of van life. anyone vaning from town to town doing McJobs for gas and loving it?

Peace
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yes, do it. do not think about it and don't tell loads of people about it. just make sure you are prepared. otherwise it's just more people to disappoint when you don't do it, because you overthought the whole idea. just do it. i'm leaving tomorrow. godspeed anon.
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>>1198432
Do it anon. You only live once.
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>>1198432
>my co-workers are bluepilled NPCs
You dont know me bitch
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>>1198522
This, go for it, bruv. Also what are good ways to make money along the way without having to sell your boipussy?
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>>1198525
Grow a mo and goatee call it a prison pussy.

Making cash can be substituted for working for food or board
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>>1198432
Sounds like the only thing you're good at is making bad decisions, so I say go for it.
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>>1198432
Do like Gary the goat guy does and grow some food in your van. Bean sprouts, mushrooms and a cherry tomato bush wouldn't take up much space and grow quick.
Do some sort of art or craft which you can sell in the road at markets and festivals. I know a chick that turns Home Depot piping into hula hoops and sells them for $20 each.
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>>1198432
As someone who lives a full time nomadic lifestyle (though with a car, not a van), I can assure you that will need semi-regular employment to keep this lifestyle going. Your van will give you lots of mobility, but it will cost you money to keep it running.
Living on the road full-time is damn hard on a motor vehicle, parts wear out and shit breaks down and if you don't have the money to fix it you're fucked.
Van dwelling was popularized on the internet by trustafarian kids and semi-retired adults who have lots of disposable income. The rest of us either work seasonal jobs or suck dick to keep our rigs rolling.
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>>1198516
>>1198522
Yup haven't told literally nobody.

>>1198525
>>1198570
>>1198589
I think work wouldnt be the problem i have lots of McJob experience (Jobs through out school even). So you saying realisticly before switching places you better safe up some fuckin money. Vanlife works in stages (if you ain't richy rich). That you motherfuckers do it full time is amazing.

>>1198577
That girl sounds fun bro. Growing your own shit sounds cool too. Tomatoes, mushrooms and some autoflowers. I don't eat McFood so would be just fine with that.
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>>1198432
haven't done this yet but thinking about it soon. Can't say much for europe, but a common cycle for nomads in U.S. is
>carnie/campground host in the summer
>harvest in the fall
>retail/warehouse in winter
>ski resort in spring

some people go through this cycle and in a year pull in 30k+ usd. granted you are still working full time, but you get to move around, and you can skip one or two of them if you don't need the money. Some people just do sugar beet harvest for a month and make 8-10 grand and make that last the year while moving around between free campsites on public lands. I'm living with parents right now so the compulsion to do this is higher than ever atm.
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>>1198642
oh yeah a lot of these places will also provide you with a campground with electric and water if you look in the right place, so thats also a benefit.
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>>1198621
You're going about it the wrong way.

You need to find a job that is more suited to your mobile lifestyle. Traditional 9 to 5 does not work.

Your best options are doing remote work, or seasonal labor.

There's lots of shit you can do especially if you are skilled.

I know a guy who works on charter yachts for 3 months during the summer.

Another guy takes pressure washing subcontract jobs from big companies during the high season.
Doesn't have a big machine either. Just a 4000psi 15l per min diesel hyundai

Different guy polishes paint and chrome on boats. Also does paintless dent removal on cars during hail season.
He makes thousands in that week after a big hail storm. Enough to keep his whole shit running for the whole year.
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"Move" to South Dakota, they have really loose residency laws. You can get a private mailbox and register your van, do your insurance, file your taxes, etc. and nobody says shit. If you go to an RV park and look around you'll see a lot of South Dakota license plates.
Also don't get anything old or exotic, like a 70s Minnie Winnie or a VW van. They're money pits. Stick with the basic vans from the big three. Parts and service will be a lot cheaper.
Vandweller sites love to drool over Sprinter vans, but they're a Mercedes so they cost a lot to fix.
Personally I'm saving up for when the first big wave of Ford Transit fleet vans hit the used market.
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I have a remote job, 120K a year doing cloud deployments and shit. I also had to do a lot of travel for them, and they'd fly me all around the country working with clients.

Said fuck it, I'm moving into a van. Outfitted a 2016 Ford Transit. Absolutely love it. But it's not for everyone and certainly lonely at times.
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>>1198653
Loneliness is one thing, that's why I don't think I'd like to do remote work. Having a job requires me to spend at least a little time around people.
Cleanliness is another thing. When you're living in such a small space you need to be on fucking top of cleaning and organizing or you'll get things like pests and mildew real fast.
A buddy of mine was up in Alaska few summers back (great place to van it during the warm season) and his van got infested with voles. He had to tear everything out and rebuild his whole set up.
That's why I cringe at people that want to get one of those luxury conversion vans with deep pile carpeting and velour everywhere. Keeping that clean will be an absolute bitch.
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>>1198651
Which vans are you referring to specifically? Pic?
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if you don't pay rent you almost don't need a job. hobos have learned to live for free, can you?
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>>1198653
if your a lonely person, you will be lonely wherever you go or stay. I make friends everywhere, I live at various skateparks
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>>1198678
Ford E-Series (pictured) Dodge B-Series, or the Chevy Express/GMC Savanna. Just your basic big American van.
They sold millions of them so they're everywhere and parts are dirt fucking cheap.
VW T2s like in the OP picture are the romantic ideal of most van dwellers but they're gutless, expensive to buy, expensive to fix and very small.
If you want something small but cheaper, go with a Dodge Caravan or something Japanese.
But a Ford or Chevy full-size will give you the most bang for your buck in terms of maintenance costs and living space.
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>>1198651
Why are Sprinters considered more expensive to repair/service/maintain?

In Europe it costs the same to keep a Sprinter running as it does a Transit of the same age.

The American designed vans are obviously going to be much less expensive to repair because they share many compatible parts with other vehicles made over probably 40 years.
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>>1198690
This Anon speaks the truth. If you want to see how unreliable VWs are then just watch an episode or two by Kombilife on YouTube. Their piece of shit has broken down dozens and dozens of times in 5 years and caught fire once, every time requiring very specific parts either imported or made to order and advice from VW specialists.

Get something you see everywhere like a Ford, if anything just for cheap parts. If your van looks like a plain white van from the outside you can get away with city camping by leaving some hi-vis vests on your front seats and leaving an electrician manual on the dash board. Unless you have your TV volume up high or you snore really loud no-one will know. Just don't park in suburban streets because locals get suspicious about unfamiliar vehicles.
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>>1198705
My parents had a vw van, about five times on vacation it broke down and we would wait days sitting outside the garage for parts to arrive
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>>1198693
Because you usually have to go through a Mercedes dealer or authorized supplier to get parts and service and they mark up parts and labor for the US market.
The used market is starting to get big enough that prices are coming down, but they're still a lot more expensive than domestic.
New Transits are cheaper generally than new Sprinters because you're going through Ford and they have a bigger service network and don't mark up as much, even though both vans are CKD imports.
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>>1198714
Sounds about right. Kombilife's transmission died when they were in the Yukon in the middle of nowhere and they only even got a replacement cuz a Good Guy Greg machined a new one himself, flew it in his private plane up to Vancouver then drove it up to them in a 4wd. They've broken down like 6 times since then. >>1198714
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>>1198686
>if your a lonely person, you will be lonely wherever you go or stay
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>>1198675
It's why I don't understand the whole kitchen and shitter thing In your van. Water tanks and enough food for your trip fine.

>>1198705
Aircooled and ancient tech. I drove one all over Canada in the 90s with rusted brakes and body work it never missed a beat. 30years later I can't be sure. Besides why would you when you can get a later model for less?
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Astro Vans are one of the best small van options, IMO. But they've been out of production for a while now so it's hard to find one that doesn't have a jillion miles on it.
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>>1198432
I work as a raft guide in the summer and work at a ski resort in the winter. Ive lived out of my car/ in a tent for months at a time. I know lots of people who make van/truck life work. I also know some who haven't. I think the big thing you need to ask yourself is why you want to live the van life.

The #1 reason why the people ive met want to live out of their van/truck is because it enables them to follow their passion. Be it snowsports, kayaking, climbing, mountain biking, surfing, being a musician, whatever. They knew that their passion would require them to be able to live a mobile lifestyle.
They could chase surf/snow/rain/gigs all across the US without having to go back home.

They gave up the stability, space, and accessible comfort of a house/apartment for the ability to do the one thing they knew they loved doing.

Most I knew were seasonal job workers. Like liftees/raft guides/instructors/bartenders/servers types. They gave up the stability of a regular 9 to 5 job to work jobs that can literally change with the weather. They'll usually work a season, go on a hiatus, and then find piecemeal work till the next season. Most will have some sort of hard skill like carpentry, coding, or line cooking that they could use on the side when they needed it.

The point being that you should want to live a mobile lifestyle not because it seems cool, but because it enables you to do something that you know you want to spend a lot of time and effort doing that you wouldnt normally be able to do otherwise. Like chasing salmon runs across the west coast for example.

If you just want to get into it because your job sucks and you just want to go to festivals and get head from hippie chicks I think youll be very disappointed. But if you have a hobby or a passion that your current lifestyle doesnt enable you to truly follow, and you have a means to get funds to enable it, then you should fucking go for it dude.
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>>1198889
Where do you paddle at?
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>>1198889
>If you just want to get into it because your job sucks and you just want to go to festivals and get head from hippie chicks I think youll be very disappointed
I don't think you realize that is some people's passion and hobby.
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>>1198977
Going to festivals is not a hobby you vapid whore
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How do you guys find an Econoline that doesn't have 150k on it and the interior isn't covered in pool chems or some shit? Does it make more sense to get a Transit or that Nissan and put up some light insulation+plywood?

And if I plan on using my computer often (programmer by trade), is it better to grab panels for the battery or just find mounting for a generator or some shit?
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>>1198986
ive heard that after a while in econolines with the (now standard?) triton engines will blow the spark plug out of its socket. personally im looking to get an old chevy or whatever, that has a raised roof, because that way you can register it as an RV and pay way less on insurance.
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>>1198705
They are unreliable because they are old, and have been through decades of neglect, mistreatment and abuse, and nigger rigging by the uninformed and careless idiots that gravitate towards them.

If you watched the funforlouis video where he gets a VW van, you'll know what I'm talking about. He can't even tell a coil from an alternator.
He also drives the van hundreds of highway miles without ever checking basics like oils, hoses, and fluids
It overheats constantly because its being revved too high in the Southern California heat, the gearbox starts tearing itself apart likely because it either had no oil, or the oil it had was used up, and later it catches fire due to the usual fuel line failure.
By that point, I couldn't watch anymore.

Any car will suffer the same fate if you mistreat it, skip service intervals, and fail to spot component failure until it is too late.

If your gearbox is low on oil, don't be surprised when you get stuck in 2nd.
If your engine overheats because you've been driving 30 miles an hour in 2nd gear you are completely at fault.
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>>1198986
One 250w panel and a 200ah battery will run a high power laptop indefinitely
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>>1198983
>Going to festivals is not a hobby you vapid whore
getting laid definitely is, you nerd
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>>1199015
Not a hobby either.

Have you ever heard of a getting laid club? All hobbies have clubs.
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>>1199056
yeah, theyre usually called gentlemens clubs.
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>>1198986
If you've got the money for a new van definitely get a new van.
As for old vans, it's as much about maintenance as it is miles. Econolines will go forever with basic maintenance, especially if it has the older Windsor V8. We had one as a family hauler and we put 350k+ before it finally shit out.
It's like any other used car, you want to find one with a documented service history.
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Its more expensive, but I thought about having a motor home and drifting for awhile selling shit and doing yard work in the city. More room, plus I wouldn't want to give up having a stove/fridge. Too convenient and food is expensive if you can't store it properly in larger quantities(and in case of an emergency so I have plenty of food for a month or two)
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Watch out for the rape gangs OP
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>>1198989
Huh RV is cheaper insurance? Had no idea.
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>>1198983
I'd normally agree with you but I know a couple of van lifer friends that pretty much do nothing but hit up festivals around the country year round.
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>>1198986
Solar is great and you don't need much to power a laptop. You'll only need more than one or two small panels if you're going full retard in things like a fridge, aircon, microwave/oven, or electric heating.
I'm not good with cars but you might even be able to charge batteries straight off of your vehicle's alternator. If you get enough to last you a day it just means you'll have to drive around for 20min to recharge them every day or so.
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>>1199060
Kek
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>>1199130
>Stove
Use gas
>Fridge
You honestly don't need to refrigerate that much. Beer and meat being the main things that come to mind.
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>>1198653
>120K a year doing cloud deployments and shit
Can you expand on this?
I currently work as a web developer and wondered whats involded

>>1199266
>I'm not good with cars but you might even be able to charge batteries straight off of your vehicle's alternator.
This is true but obviously only when the car is running, and it might cause your actual car battery from being topped up when it needs to be.

most modern laptops last a whole day on 1 charge. My XPS 15 runs about 8 hours a day doing pretty heavy work (running shit in a vm)

charging takes about 2 hours to get back to 100% so its very doable
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>>1199273
>You honestly don't need to refrigerate that much. Beer and meat being the main things that come to mind.
I agree but I have heard you can get gas powered fridges too. pretty imrpressive
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>>1199256
It's cheaper if you don't tell your insurance company that you're living in it full time.
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>>1199274
I worked for Lockheed doing similar shit. It's basically dev ops but idk who's paying 120k for a remote leader. I got paid 95k doing it in house as an assistant.
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>>1199276
Depending on your climate get a good quality cooler, fill it with ice and just don't open it too often. Should last you most of a week. For milk get UHT milk, it doesn't need to be refrigerated and keeps for months. Get canned and dried goods.
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>>1199276
Gas powered? Might check that out
Found pic related on Google just now. Iunno if I'd wanna leave my cooler in the sun though.
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>>1198675
How is the loneliness on the road? Is it from moving around a lot? From not having a regular job where you see the same people every day? Is it the isolation? I've heard a lot of people say that vanlife can be lonely but they never really go into detail why.

I'm asking cuz I live in a tiny 1room apartment in a city and only get to see my friends maybe twice a month at best. Internet/Skype/discord makes it easy though.
Now that you mention it a lot of vanlifers I've seen have a dog,
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>>1199339
Propane fridges have been around for ages. You could probably just get one out of a junker RV.
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>>1199376
Well I can't speak for everyone's experience, but for me it's a lot of moving around and long stretches by myself on the road. I've got friends all over the place, I just hardly see them cause I move around so much. But I'm kind of an odd man out because I don't have a pattern to where I go, a lot of my friends go to the same fee jobs/places so they've got more of a steady routine.
That being said, the seasonal dirtbag community is actually pretty small so you're likely to run across a friend or a friend-of-a-friend everywhere you go.
And as much as it gets maligned on /out/, social media is a great way to stay in touch with people and see what they're up to.
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>>1199339
i think you could probably get one of these that have a fan and plug into the wall, you could use it instead of a fridge and just have to restock on ice maybe twice a week-ish, almost every place sells it (but who ever buys it?)
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>>1198890
Various rivers across Oregon and SW Washington.
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>>1199426
Nice, I'll be doing nature floats back up in Alaska this summer. Nothing exciting but it pays the bills, ya know?
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I've just traded my car in for one of these. Lost a bit of money on the trade but not paying rent will soon make up for it.

It's diesel, very slow, with a noisy engine very heavy steering.
I need to get a truck license before I can drive it though because it weighs 4550kg or 10,000lbs or something like that.
Maybe I should have gone for something smaller.

I have two months left before I need to move in.
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>>1199377
Propane fridges are absorption fridges. They have to be kept level, and if not level can start fires. Most rv fires in older rvs start with one of these. Also, the whole thing becomes a giant paperweight if you develop an ammonia leak.

>tldr - pulling an old rv fridge is a terrible idea.
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>>1200149
Please tell me that you were smart enough to get a mechanical inspection before forking over the money.
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what i've always wondered about "van life" is why dont people just get an old rv? Assuming you dont already have a van, buying an old motorhome isnt that much more expensive but is much better equipped for this sort of thing. By the time you outfit a van with all the things in an rv it cost more, or you have to go without them. Rvs are abundant on the used market (in america at least) for 5-8k usd. vs 3-5k for a van, and the rv gets you a shower, multiple beds, a kitchen, standing room, and an already existing community of rvers around the country. So why exactly do people decide to live in a van?
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>>1200860
They definitely have a lot more space and amenities, but they're not without their drawbacks. They're very big which makes them harder to maneuver, harder to park and much more conspicuous if you're parking in an urban area for the night. They're also surprisingly fragile. Most Class C RVs are really only designed for weekend warrior stuff, not full time living. The body work cracks very easily, roofs develop leaks, the interior millwork is usually pretty flimsy and the older the appliances the more tricky and even dangerous they can be. A $4k RV can seem like a sweet deal, but they can turn into a money pit overnight because you have all the maintenance needs of a house and a van together.
Class B vans like pic related can be a lot more road-life friendly at the cost of space, but they're much more in demand than old Class C vans so it's harder to get a deal on a good one.
Home-built vans are definitely smaller and more spartan, but they're also easier to take care of because they're so basic.
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>>1200906
Derp
>Class B van pic related.
I honestly wouldn't mind getting one of these with a roached interior, gutting it and building it out to my specs.
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>>1198642
Yeah Ski resorts in the central Rockies especially in CO hire a lot in winter and summer. Most people I met who work there are just seasonal nomads who work resorts in winter to ski/board and toke, and then go to CA in summer to surf and work the coast. Not bad imo
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>>1201074
>CO in the winter
>CA in the summer

I would do it the other way around teebeehaiech
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>>1200149
>bought an old transit
haha have fun having the floor and sills literally rot away
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>>1200856
>Please tell me that you were smart enough to get a mechanical inspection before forking over the money.

Wish I could tell you that. I wasn't even aware it was from 1991. I assumed it was from 2007 or something like that.

I took it in for a service because MOT is approaching and I wanted to install a vegetable oil conversion thing.
The mechanic found an oil leak from the alternator, a problem with the temperature gauge, a flaking in the radiator fins, something about wheel cylinders, some thing with the steering box play, a leak in some lukas fuel injector thing and he gave me a list of about 7 panels and some spring hanger that need to be replaced and the windscreen has to come out too because there's rust underneath, and on the watersheds.

His recommendation was that its not worth fixing, instead I ought to take it back, or trade it for a more modern front wheel van which according to him I shouldn't have a problem doing since twin wheel vans are highly sought after for festivals and such because they're less likely to get stuck in the mud. That way I'd avoid having to sit for a C1 license too.

Or if I wanted I could take it out of the country, SORN it and have the repair done somewhere in Europe where its cheaper.
He thinks I could get everything sorted for under £1,000 and maybe even a bit bodywork and paint to tidy it up for another £500.

No idea what I'm going to do.
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>>1201105
How'd you know?
The mechanic took a screw driver, lifted the plastic cover, and pushed the screwdriver through the floor sill like it was wet paper.
He ripped the rear mudflaps off with a good tug too and said that whole part was rotten aswell.
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>>1201110
because it's an old transit, they are literally known for rotting away, down the sides of the front doors water settles there and rots away and if the back has ply panelling then moisture settles there and rots the whole floor and rear suspension mountings.

One tip for vans as well, if it has dually rear wheels it generally needs an up rated license so I would suggest a van with a single rear wheel so you can have it on a car license, you can get older renault masters and vauxhall movanos under the 3500kg limit that are LWB and hi top
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>>1201107
You have bought an absolute dog chap
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>>1201074
This. Good time to get work in resort towns is around May and October. Too early and you'll be waiting for positions to open up or for things to get busy, too late and you'll get nothing.
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I have two cars and I am considering trading my firebird(never use it, nice car but it was a gift from a relative and I'm just not a huge car enthusiast) for a van or a school bus. I've never sold a vehicle but is it uncommon to trade for a vehicle that is worth less and make up the rest in cash? Can a school bus(I know the mileage is awful) travel for long distances without need much repairs? I know school buses are retired before there is any real wear or tear on their engines...
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>>1201168
buses are fleet vehicles and are normally well looked after and yes, exchanging a car and cash is normal, it's called part exchange. just make sure you have a good look over whatever you buy or ask someone who knows about vehicles to look at it for you and be prepared to walk away from a vehicle if it aint up to snuff
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>>1201173
Hmm, I just think it'd be easier to find an older school bus(and cheaper) than to find a van. A van is great, but I mostly plan on squatting it at my brothers or drifting between my two favorite campsite. I have a Prius too so I think it would be good to hold onto it so I can make trips to town for supplies to work ect ect without using so much fuel.
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>>1201174
if you aren't moving much then a bus would be a good option because obviously you will far more room to fit it out but if you want to move around a lot a bus will use more fuel and will be a bitch to drive and move around if you aren't used to moving around something that big
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>>1201178
Yeah, thats what I was trying to weigh out. Either I sell both my cars for a van and a chunk of cash so I am more mobile with less shit to tow, or i sell my firebird, keep the prius and then tow it(the prius) behind my van if I want to relocate somewhere and otherwise stay rather stagnate unless I plan for a long trip out of state. I am fine with either to be honest. I just think I would last longer with a bus(and also be more comfortable) and have less repairs to worry about since a van gets much more wear on them than a school bus in its life. But then again, who knows if my prius will need repairs in the future, anything could happen and they are not cheap cars to fix and i would technically have two vehicles to register and pay for. Its a tough decision.
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>>1201179
sorry, behind my bus not my van.
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>>1201179
if you can afford two run a van and a car then do it, if not a van as a sole vehicle might be better for you or possibly a van maybe a push bike or moped/scooter for getting around town
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>>1201184
Yeah, I forget about the fucking insurance bullshit. I am able to afford two vehicles now though since my driving record is flawless. Don't know if it will push my rates up if I register an "RV" bus. I definitely want to get by with as little bills as possible.
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>>1201186
I'm not sure how stuff works in the US but over here you can re-register a van or bus to a motorhome/rv which may bring down costs for you. Do you need any special licenses to drive a bus?
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>>1201186
The way I see it anon no matter what you do its cheaper than paying rent and utilities. Good luck on your decision. Personally if I had a place to squat it at a relatives like you do I'd go with the bus. You can use your car for work or supply running and it'll probably be more cost efficient than living in a van and using that van as your main means of transportation as well. You can probably get away without even registering and paying insurance if you keep it at your brothers and rarely move it(though if you do drive it without insurance it will be illegal so don't get pulled over). Just make sure your brother won't get sick of you and hey if he does your house is on wheels anyways.
>>1201188
not that anon but you can register a school bus as an RV if this anon is american. After that you don't even need a special license to drive it since its considered an RV not a bus anymore iirc. Should be cheaper especially since his record is good.
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>>1201194
man that's such BS, in the UK you need an up rated license for bigger vans and buses
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>>1201197
Ha, we have our high and lows over here. It depends on the state and location in that state but america can be really amazing or a real drag. The great thing about this country is our abundant wildlife parks to drift between. We have a homeless epidemic because its literally easier to be homeless for a lot of people.
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>>1201188
>>1201194
Awesome, thanks for the info. Think I will go with the bus since I do have a piece of property to park it on. I also considered buying some really cheap property off of ebay for 100-500$(there are lots like that all over there) and then I could drive to that lot and have a home base to return to from long hikes.
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>>1201207
man you can buy a little bit of land for 500 amerbucks?
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>>1201211
You can buy it for 25$ on ebay. Or rather get lucky on a bid and snag it. Land sniping is a great way for poorfag anons to get some land to legally park their solar powered neetcaves. If you watch ebay every day and do research about the areas in question, you can get a great deal.
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>>1201215
Oh, just be careful you aren't bidding on a down payment. They should specify.
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>>1201215
that sort of thing just doesn't exist in britain which sucks
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>>1201220
Thats because we have a lot of rather useless, dry arid desert-like lands. People find them a burden and want them gone because you have to pay taxes on land you aren't using. But if you're an /out/fag one mans trash in another man's treasure.
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>>1201221
yeah a useless bit of land would be a perfect plot for a portable shame cube
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>>1201224
Exactly. I am looking at some really cheap beach front in florida. I can chill there and get some fishing done, and then gtfo the first sign of a hurricane without leaving anything behind to get rekt. I plan on having a plot in every corner of america to drift between.
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Are solar powered vans a meme or is it viable as long as you have a good battery? Would be nice to have electricity independent of society. Would you be able to run a small window unit so I can have ac in hotter climates?
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>>1201301
with a decent setup yes but you still wont be running loads of powerful shit, there is low power stuff made for boats/rvs that you could run tho
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>>1201107
Buy an old Royal Mail Transit, the last of the mark 7s are being sold now
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Gonna be finishing school soon and going traveling with a girl. I know it's not a van but you think a CRV would be viable to /out/ with for a couple months?
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>>1201317
if you have enough room with the seats folded down to fully lay down then it will be fine, if you can get a roof box for storage it will make things easier
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>>1200860
Stealth is a big one, if you're in the city. There is none in an RV. They also suck more gas then a van, especially if you run an onboard generator. And a lot of older rv's haven't been kept up...once you develop leak in the roof or around one of the windows you can get woodrot if it's not seen to.
I have an rv. It's great...but it needs regular maintenance. I can see the appeal of a van but can't imagine living in one.
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>>1201301
You're not going to be able to power your AC with solar in a van. I don't think there's even enough room on the roof of a van for you to install all of the panels you would need to run an AC....not to mention where are you going to put all of those batteries?
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>>1201317
Ive done it in my 2001 rav4. I had to elevate my bed above the passenger seat to sleep 6ft flat though.
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>>1201301
With a small solar panel or two you can run most basic things (lights, charge phone/laptop) but the big draws on electricity are heating/cooling, fridges and kitchen appliances like microwaves and ovens.
Just make sure your van is really well insulated and has exhaust fans for good airflow.

>>1201317
Like the other anon said, if you can fit in the back then should be good. If you have somewhere to store the seats maybe just take the back seats out altogether and store them in a friends/family member's garage for a while?
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>>1202442
>exhaust fans for good airflow.
Like a turbo you mean?
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>>1202609
Nah literally just one or two of these in your roof, or failing that get some cheapo USB fans if you're lazy, cheap and no good at DIY
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>>1202442
>the big draws on electricity are heating/cooling
this. I saw some guy do out the math and running a roof top rv ac all the time used about 1/3 the electricity that an entire apartment does normally. they just aren't insulated well. Another good option is just move where its cooler. florida/texas/arizon/california in the winter and then drive up a mountain come spring and you'll always have nice weather without having to pay for anything other than a bit of gas money.
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>>1202703
Pretty much this. My best mate makes campers and vanlife vans for a living and confirms this. Best thing you can do is try to substitute as much of the stuff you need with boating/marine or camping equipment and run stuff off of lpg gas as much as you can.

Fridges are nice but not necessary and same goes for heating/cooling depending on where you go or what you do. Summer heat is more bearable than a van in winter, just keep fresh air flowing so you don't end up like a dog in a parking lot.
My mate gets millionaire boomers request some crazy shit for their vehicles though. Hot tubs, pizza ovens, bowling ball cleaners.
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>>1202679
pc fans are what i use to cool my van. i use positive air pressure from underneath to pull shaded air in and the hot air goes out the cracked windows.
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>>1202742
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>>1202736
Boat shit is no exaggeration ten tines as expensive as the residential crap from big box.
$1000 for a 12v fridge that can't even fit a six pack of coke bottles?
Fuck that. A larger mini fridge is $100 from big box.

Might aswell buy a small diesel generator if you want to run a/c.
Shit is not worth the cost or hassle.
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>>1202944
In all honesty, the only reason you'd really need a fridge is either for beer, fresh meat or for storing leftovers to reheat later. It's easy as fuck to get that.

Now I have a question about beds in vans. I look at pictures like pic related and while they look comfy as fuck I wonder how manlet these guys are. I'm 6'3" and I don't see myself fitting in those sideways beds. Even if I set up the bed lengthways I just picture the bed taking up 3/4 of the back of the van. I'd like to have a more permanent bed setup but it's looking like I'll have to do either one that slides out or one of the "table turns into a bed" deals.
Any other tallfags got pics of their setups or advice?
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>>1202956
Most vans are 4 feet wide including the space taken up by the wheel wells. Euro vans are well over 5 feet since a 4 foot wide sheet can fit easily between the wheel wells.

That bed is for shorter people and even ten they need to sleep sideways.

My truck has a 7 foot bed and I'm 6'4". I can't even stretch my toes or arms properly without banging on something.

In the UK a van needs a 6 foot long bed to qualify as a campervan.

So either you get a long wheel base euro van, and build a platform bed that goes from the rear doors to the side door, or a Murphy bed that folds down from the side.

Remember if you want to build an internal shower, you will need a van with a retardedly high roof, since the top corners of the van are not as high as the center
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>>1198650
This.

Unless you're sitting on a good mound of cash and you have a good set of skills to sustain yourself you'll need to pick up work but what you need to do is figure out what kind of work will allow you this lifestyle.
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I'm finding the van life unbearably lonely. If I go to any places with people it's horrible. The only place I feel alright is out in the wilderness somewhere, then I feel okay, but going to a museum or a parade or something and I just get overwhelmed with loneliness seeing everyone else with friends and family while I'm by myself. If you're not a social butterfly who can make friends with anyone and everyone how are you supposed to deal with it?

>>1202956
I got one of those sideways beds that's 6 feet in length and I just sleep on it diagonally. There's a little over 7 feet from corner to corner that way. I'm only 6' myself though. It might get a little tight if I was any taller.
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>>1202956
>fridge
>not converting a chest freezer into a fdridge that works at 1/4 the power a fridge normally does
opening it from the top also saves your cold from spilling out and wasting energy. You can have two of these, one for freezing and one for refrigeration, and itd still cost less energy to run.
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>>1202972
>>1202956
Lanklets lose again.
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>>1201330
>>1202442
>>1201382

thanks guys. Your right I think i'm gonna take out the seats and try to build a platform for a mattress that I could store stuff under.
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>>1202972
>In the UK a van needs a 6 foot long bed
that's not true there are lots of vehicles like bedford rascals, citroen c15s and other small vans that are campers. The DVLA simply states that there must be a bed that is attached to the floor and that it can fold down or made from multiple parts
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>>1203126
Just going off by what I heard on the youtubes.
Not sure which video it was. I'll try and remember.
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>>1203227
I found the document it does have a minimum of 6ft for conversion vans
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>>1202972
Thinking of making one of these for a shower. Thanks for the bed advice too, I'll probably do some sort of sliding foldout dealio.

>>1203095
That's what I was thinking of doing, or even just a cooler with ice in the short term.
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>>1203272
Forgot pic
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>>1203272
Check craigslist or ebay for used ones. You can probably get one for less then 100$.
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>>1202972
>since the top corners of the van are not as high as the center
You can also use carjacks and wood beams to raise the roof of an existing van and weld in support and rivet in sheet metal. You can probably find a good deal, or even for free, if you lok around for sheet metal at junkyards, craigslist of people trying to get rid of junk in their yard, ect ect. video related is what I plan on doing to my bus to add in a sleep cab and some extra head space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2Yn48x4vE
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What happens if you drift between 2-3 states every couple months? How would registration, inspection, ect ect laws that vary per state affect my ability to move freely without a lot of legal head ache?
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>>1203276
Those work. They can be installed inside the van too, and heated with a 12v immersion heater when the car is running or off a solar panel. A shower curtain can be hung from the rear doors.
Run tye heater for 15 minutes and you will have usably hot water.

If you go on ebay you can get a "pressure washer" for less than $30.
Its just a 150psi water pump with one of those stretchy hoses and a garden hose variable nozzle. It works great as a shower and for blasting mud off boots or even dishes.
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>>1203303
Post office box, or a family member/friend who can take mail for you. Nearly everything bill/govt related is done online anyway.

>>1203339
Yeah I'm gonna try and use as little unnecessary electric stuff as I can. Black tube full of water will make the water plenty hot and gravity will do the job. Gonna use a foot pump or gravity for the sink inside and gas for the stove top. The way I'm planning on setting it up is only needing electric for indoor lighting and maybe charge phone/laptop.
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>>1203366
So what if I drive through a state were something about my car is illegal in that state but was legal where I come from?
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>>1203422
Iunno, look shit up in advance before going to that state I guess. I'm Aussie so solar, catching your own rain water and everything is fine.

It might honestly only matter depending on which state you have your vehicle registered in. In the other thread someone mentioned a state with really lax laws for vans, South Dakota or somewhere like that.
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>>1198621
>>1198650

I second this advice. A friend of mine would work for a month on a fishing boat in Alaska and then bike down to CA and fly home in the summer.

He made enough in one month to cover a year of his expenses in school, including rent.
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>>1198432
you are going to have to start suckinf dicks if you aren't a trust fund kid
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>>1203566
Or you can just be frugal or a "low consumption minimalist".
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>>1201112
I took your advice and my mechanic's advice and went ahead and swapped it for a 14yr old Citroen Relay minibus with LWB and a high top.

It needs a new gearbox because the cogs are stripped or whatever, and there's a problem with the diesel draining back into the tank or something similar but it has no rust.

The Transit had a bad injector too. The mechanic only discovered it when starting from cold the engine would vibrate wildly.
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>>1203566
A lot of people who do it are digital nomads, like doing design or programming jobs over the internet or making money from youtube & patreon.
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>>1203445
Can't say for certain in straya, but in the states most truck stops will give you water for free. It's the dumping of waste water that they charge for.
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>>1198856
They are indestructible though
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>>1199130
>>1199276
>>1199339
Do this anon >>1199337
Walmart sells one that holds ice for a week, and a bag of ice is only $1 or like $1.50
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>>1200149
You got fucked...
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Do you guys have a pimped out van for travel throughout the US? I wouldn't mind doing this, but definitely not living in it full-time. Or should I just use my regular car and camp out instead?
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>>1201179
Sell both cars, and purchase something cheap and reliable like a Corolla and a decent used van.
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>>1201207
Damn, there actually is some good deals on there. Is Ebay better for finding land then Landwatch?
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>>1203644
Gets too expensive for long term nomading. Just do what this anon says and slap some solar up and a battery. >>1203095
>>1203095
You'll be much more comfortable, plus it's nice to be able to charge your phone and shit for free. But only if you care about refrigeration other wise you will be fine. Personally I need a place to store my meat from hunting. So a rv chest freezer is perfect and you can easily find one for 100-200vs which doesn't take much to power if it's your heaviest appliance.
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>>1203720
No it doesn't... Is like 2 bucks a week such a big deal? You can easily pan handle that in one day.
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>>1203654
It can be. I check almost everyday for this reason. It's great for a lot of things ebay is stronk
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>>1203725
It is. Prices vary depending on location, it's leaky if your getting a cheap ice chest so there is risk for water damage. They are also less effective and don't freeze. They keep things cold until the ice melts sure but that's it. Too much to worry about when you are trying to camp for two weeks at a time and you have to replace the ice every week or even few days depending on how hot it is.
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>>1203728
More expensive coolers can hold ice for at least a week, and keep everything cold for even longer likely. There is no risk of leaking either.
In Walmart there is a $200 Ozark Trail cooler that is perfect for this type of stuff.

>>1203726
I am tempted to buy a property if I can get it for dirt cheap but I don't know what the point would be. I live all the way down in FL.
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>>1203732
If you are going to drop that much in a cooler just invest extra money into setting up independant electricity. It'll be more useful anyways. If you are too much of a poor fag to do this you are not going to last long nomading anyways if you can't even properly prepare your rig.
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>>1203732
I agree with him. As long as you aren't a retard trying to bring a power hogging home fridge into a camper you are going to much prefer the ability to freeze things and make ice at your convince especially if you are going to live in your van for extended periods of time. You will just spend more money buying ice anyways and you will have to leave your camp site to restock it. Not exactly independent from society at that point if you need to constantly make trips to get more ice. Coolers don't freeze after all. You can put frozen things inside of them and they will remain frozen, but I won't be able to fish and fillet a salmon to store into my cooler because it will never freeze.
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>>1203737
You can freeze the salmon if the ice is fresh enough, but yeah it would get costly(and rather annoying) with the back and forth trips for ice. But again, if you aren't worried about keeping things frozen or cool for more than a week at a time don't worry about it or just stop having the need for things that need refrigeration. What is less expensive than an ice chest or a fridge is having 0 need for one.
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>>1203725
Hey man that is 2 bucks that could have gotten me an extra gallon of gas. Every dollar matters on the road. Go without a fridge or ice chest(or have an ice chest and don't use it most of the time) if you want to save more money because refrigerating items will eat cost out of your wallet when you can survive just fine off of dry goods.
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>>1203733
I agree 200$ for a fucking ice chest is stupid, but lets not pretend setting up a solar rig is cheap.
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>>1203742
You can probably set up a really good rig for less than 700$ batteries inverter and all, and thats if youre a total rookie at this and don't know how to navigate for the best deals especially when it comes to batteries. Really not that expensive when you consider the fact you no longer have to travel to town for electricity and you can have a much better living conditions. As long as you are only powering an rv fridge and the occasional lights and device charging, you will be rather satisfied and will be able to live this way for years with no complaints or a need for an actual home. You can even rig up a shower with a cheap pressure washer as other anons were discussing. I'm pretty sure you would need to install a shower water tank for it though which can be done with a home depot bucket/bin.
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>>1203590
that sounds better, was it a straight swap? A box for a Relay should be easy to get hold of either second hand or reconditioned for not too much money. Did the van come with an MOT
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>>1203615
>digital nomads,
you mean corporate shill
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>>1201107
Return it yesterday!
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>>1203470
That sounds comfy as fuck.
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>>1198432
Hello fellow stinky bummers! I was once like an adventurer like you, until I got tired of going to sleep with the thought that I might wake up to a knife in my gut. Now Im a upcoming idiot in LA trying to get famous plz watch my first video creation. Its FUNNY I SWEARRR DX

Thanks!

https://youtu.be/J4w0MqouYO0
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>>1203303
You just get it registered and inspected in your home state and then you're good to go anywhere.
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>>1203733
>>1203737
>>1203740
I actually agree with you guys, the solar setup would be nice but keep in mind it's a lot more money. You'll have to keep a fridge or freezer running always.
In some situations the cooler with ice is probably better.
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>>1198432
This but with pic related
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>>1204097
20’/gallon
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>>1204097
*expandable room breaks down in open position*
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>>1204081
You got talent kid, you're going places
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>>1204094
The cooler with ice is great when you have absolutely no money and don't care about preparation.
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>>1204264
add an ice maker for the best in between. Most of them can be run off of an inverter in a vehicle. So when ever you go to drive somewhere, which you are going to eventually anyway, turn on the ice maker and when you get there you'll have a couple pounds of ice. If you move a few times a week you might not ever need to buy ice.
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>>1199136
Is that a full length bus?
solar?

I need the courage to bring my desktop onto my <to be> bus.
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>>1203097
bout 7.5ft? that could be exterior tho.
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>>1204295
>Having all the weight one one side
enjoy bad handling and uneven braking
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How necessary is the stealth aspect in Europe? I'm a bong from /ic/ and I want a vehicle I can work and draw in comfortably for the next few years, so having lots of windows and extra space would be really cool, but not if this means I get kicked out of every town or woken at 4AM by police

Is a mobile library a good vehicle? They're technically fleet vehicles so I'm guessing good maintenance, but poor MPG and handling, and probably terrible on dirt roads.

How about box vans? They seem somewhat stealthy, you could put a removal company or furniture logo on the side and deter thieves.

How do windows work on stealth vans? Can you get one way stickers to conceal them?

Is it superior to have a driver's cab open to the living area, or separate for heat?

Also anyone met anyone who carries a motorbike on the back of their van?
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Wood stove, or propane?
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>>1204296
Or buy a compressor fridge, which for a full size fridge and freezer uses the same amount of amperes to power a lightbulb
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>>1204360
if you want a lot of windows possibly an old minibus might be what you want, plenty of windows and you can always blank some of them for privacy, you can also get mirror tint for windows so you can see out still but no one can see in.

If you want stealth a joined cab is better, you can then park up, and go straight into the back without having to get out the van, you can make a drape to go between the cab and the back of the van, that will hold in some heat and still give you some privacy
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>>1199270
CANT TALCUM THE MALCOLM
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>>1204295
A UPS truck is aweome for this, I have thought it before. I am surprised that not many people have mentioned it either.
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>>1204360
You will only get kicked out of seaside touristy places, and SOME residential areas.
Otherwise nobody with care unles your van is fuckhuge
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>>1204334
Just put the battery bank and install a long range fuel tank and water tanks on the passenger side
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>>1204364
For the low low price of 999.99
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>>1204362
I would go with wood. Propane is another cost. You can collect fire wood for free but not propane.
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>>1204452
>not just buying a small chest freezer off of Craigslist for 50$
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>>1204296
Don't you need to power it?
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>>1204435
They are great, desu. I was planning on getting one but found a school bus for a better deal and low milage. I can probably go to Brazil and back just fine with nothing serious going wrong with the engine. My dream is to have a completely functional Batchelor pad on wheels and travel into every bit of territory I can. Anyone ever camped in central and south america?
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>>1204469
Power is free with the engine running.
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>>1204472
So in other words it isn't free and takes power from my engine.
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>>1204474
No and no.
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>>1204559
That made no sense. If I am powering something with my engine, even while I'm driving somewhere i need to go, there is extra energy going to the thing that is being powered affecting fuel efficiency.
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>>1204559
yes and yes you moron. There is a reason they have generators that run on gas specially made for charging their huge batteries because using your car is inefficient as fuck. They are not designed to take extra loads like that for "free" energy, it WILL cost you gas, you WILL waste gas. You might as well by a generator at that point because it'll be a shitload cheaper than using a car engine to power an ice maker every time.
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>>1204296
First of all. That particular ice maker needs 2400 watts to make ice. What an utter waste of electricity get a chest freezer. The small ones are about 5 amps or less, that thing is 20 amps. You faggots know nothing.
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>>1204609
Sorry, second of all. Get a small generator, Sportsman 1000 Surge Watt is small, portable and will give you hours and hours of electricity on one gallon of gas. Feel free to pick anything you think will suit your needs better. You won't use the full 1000 watts for a chest freezer and the occasional cell phone charger. You can be out on the road quickly, put the generator in a ventilated compartment, you can even have it were you can fill the tank up from the outside if you know how to work metal. You can have electricity for 100 bucks+gas. There is no war a car will be able to compete with the generator when it comes to fuel economy, plus you have another outlet.
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>>1204581
Explain why.
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>>1204369
>>1204369
I wouldn't be so bothered about stealth unless it was a big deal in Yurop, I'd rather have lots of windows than a metal box even if it meant people stare a little more if you're in a residential area, but I'm just not familiar with the tolerance for van dwellers on the continent, whether the atmosphere is like >>1204445 said, or more hostile to vans parking near cities.

A guy on /o/ recommended Park n Ride shortbuses, I guess they're a little more available and potentially more reliable and modern than schoolbuses
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So Kombilife Youtubers have finished their series. They're done with Alaska and have given away their VW to a fan. Thoughts on their trip? Would you do what they did? (ie: drive from Chile to Alaska in a rusty piece of shit that breaks down every 5miles)

Their next adventure they look like they're going to try UK -> Australia (via Europe and Asia).

>>1204745
Yea I agree with this anon. If you're getting a van as a place to draw then definitely get a minibus or something with windows. If you park in a residential area just pull up there last thing at night (midnight) and be gone by dawn and usually no-one'll even notice, or care.
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>>1204738
I explained why in that very post, can you not read?
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>>1204754
How does a car generate electricity?
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>>1204747
>Their next adventure they look like they're going to try UK -> Australia (via Europe and Asia).
if what you say is true they are going to break down in some very interesting places
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What are EU laws with sleeping in a van on a parking lot or somewhere else public?

I know for a fact that its illegal in my country. Based EU :^)
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>>1204777
The vehicle moving builds charge in the battery via the alternator. That's why I'd your battery is flat you can often just give it a push down the road and start it, or get someone to jump start with some jumper cables. Just to get enough charge to start your vehicle then it'll charge the battery the rest of the way itself.

>>1204778
Yeah probably, but they'll be in a different vehicle this time. Chances are he'll pick something more suited to the task. Prior go from Paris to Mongolia in $500 shitboxes every year in the Mongol rally, I'm sure he'll be fine.
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>>1204783
>The vehicle moving builds charge in the battery via the alternator.
funny story, cars in cuba are parked on raised platforms with a ramp down to the road, they get a push to get the thing started since i guess their batteries are all shit in their old ass cars
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>>1204781
Illegal doesn't mean enforced.
Enforcement doesn't always result in punishment.
I wouldn't worry about it.

>>1204783
>they'll be in a different vehicle this time.
It has to be a shitbucket or else its not fun.
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>>1199060
Legit got me there
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>>1198516
>don't tell loads of people about it. just make sure you are prepared. otherwise it's just more people to disappoint when you don't do it,

No truer thing was spoken.
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>>1204787
Hahaha makes sense. I used to have an old van that had trouble starting in the winter months. Turned out the brushes inside the starter motor were a bit stiff in the cold so I had to hit it with a hammer a few times to get it started.

>>1204792
Yeah I agree but the places they're planning on going through it'd be risky. They got lucky a few times in the Americas but if they break down in India or buttfuck nowhere outback Australia they could be fucked.
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Dunno if this is a better question for this thread or for /diy/ but anyone got rough measurements for a typical white trade van similar to pic related? I don't have one yet but I want to get a rough idea of floor plan size so I can suss out how I'd want one laid out. Everything I'm finding in Google the measurements are all over the place.
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>>1204971
>measurements are all over the place
probably because all sprinter vans aren't exactly the same
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>>1204981
Yeah makes sense, different models are different. Just makes it hard to plan before seeing or buying a vehicle. Decided I'm gonna knock up a rough plan for starters so then I can buy a vehicle that fits my size and needs.
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>>1204851
>They got lucky a few times in the Americas but if they break down in India or buttfuck nowhere outback Australia they could be fucked.

In India it is likely easier to get something fixed than it is in 90% of the first world.
They have roadside engineering shops and mechanics everywhere.
On the other hand, they don't seem like a very hospitable people.

>>1204971
I'd say the average for a modern fullsize van is something like 70in wide and 5'9" high for a standard roof, and 6'3" for a high roof, and let's say 10' long load area.
American style vans will have a lower roof and slightly narrower width.
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>>1204971
Floor plan size for my Hiace is 3 metres by 1.6 metres. If you want a bit bigger maybe a merc sprinter?
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>>1202944
You realize that the whole point is that it runs off 12v DC and not 120v AC right?

To run 120v AC in a vehicle requires inefficient inverters. Even if you have a high efficiency unit, there will still be losses compared to a straight 12v unit.
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>>1204971
Better off saving the floor plans for when you have a van in hand. They are all different.
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>>1204783
they don't need to move, the alternator is belt driven so the engine just has to run though it will charge faster with the engine under load but this could be done by holding revs
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I've lived like this for awhile.
Just a few notes:
I have this Dometic electric cooler.
https://www.amazon.com/Dometic-CF-025DC-Portable-Freezer-Refrigerator/dp/B005X9E6IK/ref=sr_1_6
It can be used as either a freezer or a refrigerator, and it runs off of 12VDC or 120-240AC. Mine also has the insulated cover. It cools off fast and you can set the temp. It holds a lot more than it you'd think it can. It works great, and doesn't take up too much floor space, (important in a van). Maybe a little pricey for some ($500), but with dual power it can also be used in hotel room...

For power I have 2 100watt solar panels on the roof wired in parallel, (in series would be better, but the charge controller is much more expensive for the higher voltage) use 2 marine batteries connected to a 1500w. pure sine-wave power converter, also have an isolation solenoid so the batteries can be charged with the alternator, if needed. Had a larger alternator installed (25amp) for the extra load. The whole solar setup cost ~$1000. Biggest pain is battery maintenance. Keep in mind also, if you don't use AGM or any other kind of sealed, non-maintenance batteries, they have to be enclosed and vented to the outside because they release hydrogen sulfide (and other) gases when charging. (poisonous and explosive)
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>>1205102
The difference in efficiency is barely significant. Insulation is the biggest factor if you care about efficiency.

The reason they cost so much more is that AC compressors are to stay stationary or they will supposedly suffer damage.
Let's say they do get damages and a frigerador lasts a year.
You can buy a new one every year for ten years.
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>>1204470
Bus probably wastes a lot more gas though, it's heavier.
Going camping in Cuba, but you can't go there in a bus haha.
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>>1205182
What else does your van have anon? Seems like you have a neat setup. Post some pics as well.
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>>1205207
Bus only uses more fuel if the stepvan is a diesel. The gearing I'm guessing is meant for multiple stops so it will be lower than usual.

The biggest problem with bus is you must get it serviced and repaired at a garage for commercial vehicles.
It's difficult to even change a tire on the side of the road.
On the other hand it is built to last.
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>>1205222
That sounds like an issue anon, and all of the parts are more expensive. Not only that but parking it with stealth is a pain in the ass. I would go with a van honestly.
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>>1205228

There is no stealth with bus ever. You must paint it color other than yellow, so people will know its not school bus.

A not yellow bus there is no mistaking that its private owned.
Even if you write "gay conversion therapy center" on the side, at first glance, before people read the letters, it will look like what it is.

Also everyone can see whats going on inside at night.
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>>1205252
Very true, you can set up vans so that nobody has a clue. With advertisements and all.

That can be fixed by sealing it or putting up curtains.
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Why do people insist on lining the entire inside of the van like people on youtube do?

Why not buy a fridge van thats already insulated?
Or just build a small insulated compartment inside the van where you sleep?

You could probably fit one of these in your average van.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/29/man-moves-to-san-francisco-pays-400-a-month-to-sleep-in-wooden-box-inside-friends-living-room/?utm_term=.31b44ce81c28
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>>1201194
>drive a camperbus conversion with no insurance and therefore expired tags in most states
you're gonna get pulled over
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>>1203366
>gravity will do the job
install a schrader valve so you can pump up the reservoir with a bike pump. trying to get soap off after your shower sucks if the water just trickles out
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>>1203728
>t. never made ice cream at a gradeschool birthday party
add salt to ice to lower the temperature
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>>1205441
reflectix is cheap and people don't want to sleep in a insulated torpedo tube
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>>1205441
>Why not buy a fridge van thats already insulated?
I viewed a Mercedes Sprinter with a standalone freezer just last month.
Once you get inside it you quickly realize its literally fucking walk in freezer thats pitch black with the door closed, and zero airflow.

If you want to seal yourself off in a sarcophagus you might as well get a second hand only used once casket off craigslist. The velvet lining is really comfy and the older ones come with lead insulation.
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>>1205083
>>1205091
Yea that's about what I was guesstimating. Thanks.

>>1205107
Yea of course, I'm a tallfag though so I wanna get a rough idea of how I'm gunna lay out a bedframe and all that and when I get a vehicle I can make some adjustments as I need.
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>>1205464
This. I knew a guy who insulated his house by giving the local whitegoods/appliances store guys a case of beer and they gave him all their leftover insulating foam for weeks.
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>>1205441
>Constructing the pod cost about $1,300
>literally a goddamn wooden box with a small bed in it

did he count the cost of his fucking macbook too?
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>>1205441
>man moves to san francisco
>san francisco
this means he had to buy tools, as well as more plywood when he screwed up the first time
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>>1205651
I've got packing foam coming out my ass at work. I never thought about that.
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>>1205441
Its a fucking crate.
You can get one for free from companies that do elevator installations.
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>>1204747
I enjoyed watching it, especially the Alaska part. I want to camp there but now that I've seen just how bad the mosquitos get I'm saving up for the vat of insecticide that I will need to submerge myself in daily.
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>>1205252
How about if u get those short transport vans/shuttles. And put like airport shuttle on it
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>>1205212
A 600watt microwave, 12volt TV, CB radio and propane catalytic heater.
For toilet: solids = a 5 gallon bucket with trash bag liner + Kitty litter. Liquids is a "hospital urinal" for the bed ridden. ( A tube with a funnel on one end and a bag on the other.)
>pic related (a few years ago)
You can see the 2 solar panels on the roof. I'll take some interior shots later.
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>>1205815
Alaska's my backup plan if things don't work out for me when I move to NZ.
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>>1198525
Just get a trade. I'm a tree surgeon and know plenty who live in vans. Most yards are out of town so you can just stay in your van in the area surrounding. Guys have even been allowed to live in the yard once the company got to know them.
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>>1205252
>keeping the windows on your school bus
They leak, they are a pain in the ass to open and they lose your warmth/cold like crazy.

I would get a van for stealthily camping temporarily, a school bus for long term living. It's basically an apartment on wheels. Hell the bus has enough room for batteries and solar panels can hook it up to a (smaller) home to generate all the electricity it'll need should you ever stop being a bump and actually own a home at some point.
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https://twitter.com/itsjustdebb/status/964524179428126720
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>>1206538
a minority doing something dumb. imagine my lack of surprise.
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>>1206538
I can't wait for these people to go back to Wakanda
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>>1205835
Not a single thing in this photo looks like it dates past 1983, even the camera quality.
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why wouldn't you just?
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Muh acide an blowie! Xddd waging sux

>Op is destitute and weak in late adulthood, fails to reproduce
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>>1207052
Are you sure you're not accidentally speaking your own fears out loud?
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>>1204585
Consider shutting the fuck up.

The average van alternator puts out over 100 amps. On bigger engines it can get up to 200 amps or more. At 14 volts you are looking at a conservative 1000 watts for the smaller one.


It doesn't matter how many of those amps you are actually using, because as long as the engine is running, and the serpentine belt is turning, the alternator will be running too and most alternators only need around 1200rpm to generate peak power.

That is enough to run a small hospital, a funeral home, a gaming rig and charge an iPad mini all at once.
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>>1198675

>infested with voles

What. Maybe a vole is something different where you’re from, but a vole is a small rat like creature that often lives near water. I am absolutely horrified, amused and befuddled at the idea of a van infested with them.
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>>1207235
the ones in alaska aren't voles, they're called shrews. they're like little mice but way cuter. still wouldn't want them in my van though.
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>>1200149
According to the DVLA, there are less than 700 total 86-91 (twin wheel) 190 Transits currently roadworthy. It doesn't specify weather petrol or diesel.

The majority of those are platform trucks, tow trucks or box trucks, with the long wheel base van variant being exceedingly rare.
I'd wager that there are no more than 20 in this configuration left on the road.
Fuck, they used to be everywhere.
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>>1207213
>go camping
>Forget to pack my hospital and funeral home
>wife's boyfriend is angry at me for wasting gas
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>>1207319
good thing you can charge your ipad mini
god forbid you brought a regular size ipad that would have overloaded it
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>>1198524
apparently he does, well enough to strike a nerve. wash that purple dye out of your hair, anon, it looks silly.
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>>1205835
That's nice man, post the inside shots whenever you have a chance.
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>>1201228
time share me that shit for quarters
I'm not an asshole!
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>>1207213
I think you guys are arguing charging your shit while driving around vs turning on your engine to an idle to power your stuff
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>>1207647
In the end, solar is the way to go unless you live in Siberia.
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>>1208065
Solar is shit and requires a fuckton of batteries.

You could buy a diesel generator that can power an english seaside town such as Brighton, charge three golf carts, and run two nutribullets and a panini press all at once for less than the price of two second hand 300w panels.
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>>1208098
Solar is only a decent option if:
>you have space for batteries and a load of wiring stuff you feel like doing
>you can afford it
>you wont be able to spend $20 on fuel for a generator once in a blue moon
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>>1208098
>fuckton of batteries.
For what, exactly? A single 12v 200amp battery will give you 2400w an hour for on average 6 hours until its completely depleted. What the actual fuck do you think we are trying to power? Most of us want to charge a phone or run a small rv chest freezer at most. you would only need two or three of these for most /out/ters. That is not a "fuck ton" of batteries.
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>>1208118
>200amp battery will give you 2400w an hour for on average 6 hours
Is that figure for one battery - or six?

>3x 200ah
That's more than $1000 in batteries.
Well over 500lbs in weight.
Factor in the cost of the panels, wiring, controller, diodes, inverter, etc and you're looking at another $1000 or more.
Plus the space they take up.

With pic related you can charge every phone on the planet.
It's not much more expensive than a good solar system and just a bit heavier.
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>>1201107
Whoa whoa whoa, your mechanic sounds like a moron. Cylinders on the wheels are calipers, a cheap fix. "flakes in the radiator" whoo, omg. Theres probably nothing wrong with temp gauge, its probably running too hot or too cold. The rest is cosmetic.

front wheel drives are a little harder to work on. rear wheel drives are easier to work on and have higher ability to handle loads.

-t mechanical type
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>>1208098
Solar is fine. Stop trying to power a hospital and funeral home with it. 2 small panels covers everything you need, use LPG gas for everything else.
The only vehicles I've seen that need more than 2 small panels are people who won't ditch their microwave, are trying to use electric ovens/stoves or hipsters/Instagram fags that can't live without fruit smoothies or a coffee machine.
t.Aussie who runs his whole house and hot water system off if water and hasn't paid a power bill in years.
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>>1208135
>A fucking huge engine
>"Just a bit heavier" than a solar panel
The fuck are you smoking?
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>>1208187
>Off of solar
Meant to write
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>>1208135
>Is that figure for one battery - or six
No I screwed up my post and didn't realize. I meant 240 watts an hour, from one batter. It's 200 amps so it will give you 2400 watts a charge. Devide that over a 6 hour period. My math is obviously a guess. But a rough estimate.
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>>1208189
It's the diesel fumes.
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>>1208259
watt is a rate.

saying 240 watts an hour doesn't make any sense.

its like saying 5 miles an hour an hour.
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>>1208185

My guess is the cylinders mean drum brakes, and since the front is probably disks it is the rear ones.
Its a squealing pig fuck of a job on a dually, because you have to take off both rims, the hub, and the half shaft just to get to the drum which is almost guaranteed to be welded on there with rust.
Then you may or may not have to take the shoes and springs apart to get to the actual cylinder.
Replacing the wheel cylinder itself requires you to remove the brake line and bleed the brakes also.

That's a lot of labor cost.
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>>1208307
lol fucking what
Stay in school.

Watts are power units.
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>>1204447
came here to post this
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>>1204334
enjoy your armchair's good handling and even braking, dude
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>>1204360
>kicked out of every town
van dwelling downtown is a generally a bad idea, anon
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>>1204360
>How do windows work on stealth vans?
I saw the stealthiest all white cargo truck once
no windows in the box, but the whole ceiling was translucent
everything inside was folding and sturdy diy wood panels
the guy was usually parked near a river with the doors open
the thing was quite big and wouldn't be the easiest to park but it's almost invisible in any urban setting
unless you stay at the same place forever, or someone sees you going in/out
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>>1204360
also, i have a vw like in the op, in bright orange, with pop up roof and i can park almost anywhere, and people love it and are really friendly
it would not be the same if i had in a hobo van
it is also not the same as soon as the shitty weather comes
then you're not the cool camper guy anymore, you're just that loser living in a van
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>>1204747
i put 10 000 km in my 1984 vw with no problem except for a dirty fuel filter in spain
you just need to take your time
don't drive like a retard
it's a nice little machine, but also an old one
also, parts for the T3/T25 are cheap and everywhere
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>>1208354
>you just need to take your time
don't drive like a retard
Many older van owners don't realize that 80km/hr is the fastest speed you can SAFELY cruise at.

I see these vans going pedal to the floor at 100km/hr sometimes more.
That is downright retarded and puts incredible stresses on the cooling system, gearbox, differential and engine.
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>>1208354
>>1208374
Reading the thread i thought VWs were meme vans. Thinking about getting a Sprinter now since you can fit stuff in it.
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>>1208391
they are meme vans and command a VW tax if you want to buy one
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>>1208395
A.. a what.
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>>1208307
You are fucking retarded.
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>>1208135
>250kw
We are trying to charge phones and ice makers. What the fuck we aren't trying to power industrial equipment
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>>1208476
a VW tax, priced far higher than what they are worth just because muh veedub
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yeah it's for real until your van breaks down.
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>>1204295
So before hitting the road, you have to put everything away? (Kettle, laptop)
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>>1208481
Is that a European thing or?
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>>1208639
For a laptop I would use velcro strips. A kettles isn't a big deal to put under a counter or something.
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>>1208649
No it's a libtard thing, they think these are productive assets that appreciate in value
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>>1208391
They are meme vans, but so is the sprinter nowadays.
In fact the sprinter is a bigger "digitel milaneil nomed venlaif" meme now and that does not make it a bad van.

>>1208649
The T3 and its bigger brother the LT are probably one of the cheapest panel vans you can get in Europe.
It shares a lot of parts with other VW of the era which makes it cheap to repair.

There are large forums and resources online dedicated to them if you want to do maintenance yourself.
The sprinter too, but that is a bit more complex.
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>>1208655
I would just get a short bus desu
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>>1208694
You can't park a shortbus in a normal parking spot or the average driveway.
Its a different class of vehicle. If you want a smaller van there are cheaper options.
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>>1208704
I think the Dodge Ram vans or Chevy Astros are good shouts for a smaller van
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>>1208704
they aint any wider than a dually truck and maybe half a foot longer than a 4 door long bed
a short bus under a certain capacity for carrying people is classified as a light truck
>t. rode the short bus
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6mo11CuH0
This van is pretty sick. The dude is pretty honest about shit that's good and bad about the build and what he'd change. So many of the vids on Youtube of people showing off their vans skip over the bad shit because they want max followers for their #vanlife Instagram.
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>>1208704
There are different kinds of short buses dude. Just get the smaller ones. Plus they can handle a lot more weight than a van and their engines are often in better condition.
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>>1208639
Packing shit away, cleaning and shuffling stuff around all the time is pretty normal thing in a van
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>>1208759
Box life indeed
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I live comfortably in a Miyata pulling a teardrop. Snug up you cowards
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>>1208833
You live in a bicycle?
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>>1208838
Yes
Koga Miyata touring bike. Umm I'm it's all a ruse oh God
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>>1208770
short buses can be really comfy, pretty sure this is a short bus at least. if not 10/10 anyways
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>>1209064
I've seen videos of fire engine and ambulance conversions too. Someone in the last thread mentioned a UPS truck as well.
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What panel van to get in Europe?
Preferable cheap to buy, inexpensive to repair and less than 2.5m in height so I can park in a normal parking lot, but not so small like car based vans either.
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>>1209127
sprinters, peugeot/citroen vans are both safe bets
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>>1209115
Vehicles owned by big companies or government shit is usually a safe choice because they had a jew with big bucks paying for the maintenance of these vehicles so they are in good shape more often than not. Harder to find vans without them being abused.
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>>1206743

Because its absurdly big, obvious to cops, and you'll get crack head banging on your door thinking you're a lunch truck,
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Just quit my job, gonna make websites freelance for money and maybe some odd jobs here and there

What van can i get for $1000
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>>1209345
Are you retarded? Yes you are
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>>1209345
>quitting your job before setting yourself up
haheha
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>>1209345
How much did you save up before you quit? Don't listen to these nimrods. You need about 5k in cash, should hold you over for most emergencies you may encounter legal to mechanical (should you encounter one) and you will be good for gas until you are able to find temp work to make a little more. I suggest hotels on the beach for the summer, ski resorts for the winter. If you want something long term, be careful for older vans they are neglected and in bad shape quite often and you will likely have problems within a year or two of owning one if you're careless and it can be super expensive fixes so be especially careful when selecting a vehicle. Really you should have gotten one before you quit so you could have taken it to a shop and have it inspected and anything that was going out could be replaced to save you the headache down the road. too late now.
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>>1209419
Also, get a vehicle you can actually work on. Do your own fluid changes, learn some basic mechanical shit and get yourself some tools. If you don't even know how to change a flat tire you are going to be fucked.
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>>1209420
Always have extra blinker fluid near by. You never know whats gonna happen.
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>>1209450
honestly, I keep a little bit of everything in my car shit storage boxes. Its much cheaper to do your own repairs. Always have a car jack or two around, many shit. honestly if you are hitting the road without anything like this you are going to have some bad times and hate yourself.
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>>1209453
>>1209450
>>1209420
>>1209419
>>1209370
>>1209366
Alright whatever guys shouldntve even asked but oh well, I'm qualified for this it's no concern at all I'll never come here again my bad
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>>1209505
make sure you you cop some blinker fluid on your way /out/
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Thinking of converting something like pic related into a mobile home. I have 100k AUD wanna set myself up right for 10-30 years. Thoughts? I want to power a desktop computer and I suppose a fridge. Will get a gas tank for LPG cooking so what else can I run on gas?
Is using a bigger truck like this better than vanlife?
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>>1209528
you're gonna need an on board generator to be running a desktop
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>>1209345
>What van can i get for $1000
Econoline.
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>>1209345
Maybe spend closer to $3000-5000 on a van so you don't get a rusted piece of shit that falls apart in 2 weeks.
>>1209370
Also this.
>>1209419
And listen to this guy.

>>1209505
Nah don't get pissy mate. Obviously it was a bit stupid to quit your job before getting a van and set up but this is 4chan. We're random anons that will give honest no-bullshit opinions and advice. If you want a hugbox echo chamber that'll upvote and subscribe to your posts regardless of what you write then you know where to go.
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>>1209528
Get a 12volt fridge or powered-esky like you see on boats. Solar panels will cover everything you need for power in Aus unless you hang around Melbourne a lot.
Gas is the way to go, mostly used for cooking and to boil water but you can use it in a little gas stove too in the winter if it gets cold enough.
>>1209535
This. If you're planning on being on the road for a long time settle for a laptop. They're pretty good on power and you can always take it into a McDonalds or Starbucks to use their wifi. You'll wanna spend some time out of your van occasionally anyway.
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>>1209636
Solar panels seem like an expensive over complicated hassle. Why not an LPG generator if I already need gas for cooking?
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>>1209732
Depends whether you want more ongoing cost and noise vs a slightly larger upfront. My mate runs his house entirely off solar. The govt paid for half of the upfront cost and the panels have paid for more than quadruple the investment already.
I reckon you can't go wrong either way, just think about what you want to do, where you want to go and go from there. You can always get a cheapo generator for now and upgrade to solar down the line once you've lived in your van for a while. You honestly don't need that much electricity unless you start getting shit like fridges, microwaves and smoothie machines.
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>>1209732
Not that expensive or complicated really. You can get a 100w setup for about $220 total (what I paid anyway for the panel, wires, terminals, charge controller and adhesive). It's very easy to install. Just stick it to the roof and connect your wires from the panel to the controller and from the controller to the battery. Easy peasy. I have a generator but I got a panel too so I could power my vent fan, phone(which doubles as wifi hotspot) and laptop without having to run the generator. It's healthier for the battery to be in an always charged state rather than let it run down and start the generator and charge it for a while plus it saves on noise and gas which is worth it for me. Now I only use the generator for the microwave or A/C on really hot days.
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>>1209636
I would go with converted chest freezers instead of a standing fridge of any kind. Every time you open a side ways fridge you waste so much cold air because cold air naturally likes to sink. A chest freezer keeps your cold in way better as you acess shit from the top instead of like a closet pantry because fat fucks need their food displayed like a walmart shelf for some reason over practical function, thus they are more efficient and require less energy overall.
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This may the thread to ask this in.

Anybody in here ever actually used one to live out of for summer seasonal positions?

I'm curious what the initial investment would be and if that would actually save you any money when applying for seasonal positions out west where there's no housing available.

Seems even better for wildland fire guys who won't spend hardly any time at home anyways, just park it at the office when you're out on assignment and then at a campground when you got time off. Plus not putting 1,000s of miles on your personal car if you have to drive from out east.
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>>1210440
In the UK there are lots of people that do the festival circuit and will work at festivals all through the summer living in their vehicles., I worked at a festival one year and they will normally cover fuel costs and you get meals covered so you can live quite cheaply like that
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>>1209127
Renault Master & Iveco
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>>1210497
and Ford Transit
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>>1210503
if you go with a transit, or any van from europe desu, give it a proper look over for rot and dont be afraid to have a poke around either. You really don't want a rotted van because it will cost a bomb to fix unless you are friendly with a welder
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>>1210440
From what I hear it's great but showering can be an issue. Find a way to shower at work or rig pipes to the top of your vehicle or you'll hate being sweaty and stinky after work every day.




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