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Obviously in a major SHTF Situation a temporary loss of internet connectivity or power can be expected. Local weather disasters regularly bring down the internet and power, and 4G could be interrupted in a number of highly unlikely but possible civil situations. Even the transpacific fiber cables could easily be targeted in any confrontation in Asia (regardless if the US is involved).

In the even of an internet interruption or civil collapse that lasts weeks to months, or even years, I think if one had an offline computer that could consistantly provide important information required for survival they would become extremely useful. So far, my idea was to buy a light, high quality laptop and a reliable solar charger with several backup battery packs (so that the computer or its battery backup are constantly being charged during daylight hours).

Once this has been figured out, the important step to prepare would be to find useful databases to download in case of a collapse. My ideas so far:

1. Entire text and image download of Wikipedia (can download, is 100GB with pics and would be placed on a reliable external drive).
2. Offline maps of the region (I am near border of four states so perhaps google maps all of those states, not sure of how to do this or how much space it would require)
3. Medical guides/pharmacological manuals in case I need to provide advanced care in an emergency.
4. Basic calculator programs/excel to organize data/allocate group resources/calculate fuel and food expenditure and requirements quickly
5. Some sort of master folder of infographics, guides, survival books
6. Leisure reading
7. Some sort of directory or financial database that tells me where businesses or pieces of infrastructure are located, so I can seek resources or locations where others may be gathering (when integrated with the stored maps)

Im hoping someone else has ideas for databases/files I could download to provide guidance and decision support in case of a disaster.
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>>994717
bump, also looking for ways to sustain power if solar gives out/weather is bad
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>>994717
>bump
No need, slow board. I've got all of The Librarian's stuff (I'm sure he'll be by with a link for you eventually, 6-8gb download), along with topo maps of my area and the foxfire books. All of this is on a micro sd card in a phone in my pack. I've also got an Anker solar panel, and a generic battery pack which will be upgraded eventually. Installed on the phone are the apps Backcountry Navigator and Useful Knots, along with Adobe Reader for the PDFs.
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>>994717
did you just say you can download wikipedia with 100 gb?
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>>994738
Well, the text file is apparently only 10 (growing everyday).

With pics, 100GB, according to Wikimedia last I checked.

Keep in mind this is only english wikipedia. But Ideally I would have all the language editions on a drive, and offline translator software in case there is a chinese article on something that fills in a gap in the english version
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>>994738
>>994741
Update, im seeing as high as 60GB with Kiwix/Xowa offline packages. I'd chalk that variation up to differences in what graphics they include and how they compress files.

apparently you can include Wikivoyage for only 800MB extra in Kiwix, which I think would be useful for travel (would give you basic directions which you can plug into maps, making navigation easier)
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>>994734
Sounds like a good setup.
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>>994730
could try and cobble together something with a car alternator and a 12v battery or two
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>>994741
>>994742
very very cool, high on my todo list. i imagine you need a powerful search engine installed to browse it? my computer takes forever to search simple documents and directories
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>>994749
i think xowa/kiwix might have some search function.

If you mean search engine as in one accessed via browser that wouldnt be necessary as the goal is to be offline.

I bet some of that GB is the search engine for xowa though if thats what you mean. And I was considering using a cheapo laptop to test this but I agree if there is this much data it would be worth it to buy something nicer since those searches can be very irritating.

good luck
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Why Wikipedia?
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>>994786
1, why not. im downloading it now and 100 gb is fairly small for what you get. its buckshot for information, as loose wikipedia is for academic level comprehension

2, like said its a wide net. biological identification, methods of engineering and creation. would be a palm library. better to have and not need than make a precise list and leave something out
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>>994717
Keep it in a Faraday cage, just in case.
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>>994819
Oh, and for a full-scale SHTF scenario, AMPRNet (shortwave radio internet) is your friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet
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very interesting idea. I'm sure the Wikipedia files would be very valuable in that situation. I could see you trading reading time for food, water, sex and whatever else you need. You could have a large group of women following you around and hopping on your dick for another hour of wikipedia reading time while a group of mercenaries stands guard in the hope that at the end of the day, they'll be allowed to use the computer for a few minutes.
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>>994906
yeah, in addition to helping the group's strategy and survival we could sell directions/ data to others for a steep price.

I think this would lead to the owner being able to find a lot of specialized facilities/stores of resources that could have a lot of value when traded.
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This is a very fucking good idea, I have been thinking of doing something similar. Like just hoarding TBs of all sorts of good information, and entertainment.
Thinkpad T420 or something similar would be good, but my only problem is keeping the batteries good.
The internet is also at risk of becoming censored, so there might be some lost things.
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>>995011
That is a good point (censorship). Think we can make this thread a guide/software/info/entertainment dump?

Anyone with cool infographics or data who are interested post a download link and an approximate download size.
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>>994717
>no satellite hookup
>no grounded metal Faraday-rated EMP-proof storage box

FYI, wikipedia without pics is like 19-20gb (use WikiTaxi to view). Good for multiple backups on USB drives.

>>994730
I have an exercise bike I converted into a recumbent electric generator that can be used with any chair. I just need to swap out the current motor with a car alternator I think.
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>>995015
Yea, that would be fucking excellent. They could also at least mention what's something good to have, and where we can look for it.
Printers will also be very good for a SHFT situation, but they use a lot of power.
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Interesting. It is kind of shocking how this is considered a new idea. in the last 5 years particularly our lives have become entirely centered around the cloud/SaaS model where none of our data is really accessible to us offline (the trade off being we can store much more data in the cloud). The risk is huge, offline data that you can keep with you may be a rare asset in the future.
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>>995020
I was thinking printers as well. Being able to print off hardcopy maps for other groups, or medication instructions for EMT/physicians, or mechanical/repair guides for vehicles or weapons would be a lifesaver.
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>>995019
Im not actually that good with tech but a sat connection would be ideal. Would you have to pay a subscription fee? Wouldnt sats be extremely overloaded if nationwide internet was down?
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>>995022
It's not really new to be honest, many anons have been doing this for years.
True though, the cloud is fucking shit. We need to have our own data.

>>995025
Exactly! Maybe even sell or trade these hard copies. Ink printers are fucking shit though, laser is alright. Might be a good idea to keep a few supplies for laser printers also.

>>995027
They have operators also, if the world goes to shit then so will the sats.
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http://www.kiwix.org/

will start by liking kiwix wikipeida backup
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Step 1: buy second hand chinkpad.
Step 2: install gentoo
Step 3: set Richard Stallman pic as desktop wallpaper.
Step 4: prepare for onslaught of incoming pussy
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>>994717
when i was in the military we had ruggedized thinkpads
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>>995058
did they hold up fine in sand?

Did the ruggedization affect airflow or cause any hardware issues?

i think that would be a good choice
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>>994749

Ultra search is a really good program I use to search shit on my computer.

It's twenty times faster than regular windows.
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>>995146
County cops have toughbooks. They held up to 300lb cops jacking off with the free 3g internet cards for the last decade. And really that's all the average anon needs.
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>>995041
Are there any versions that do incremental updates? It'd be nice to just get updated articles each month instead of a 60gb download.
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>>995151
ill look into that, thanks man
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>>994717
Could do with something like this for my bug out boat. Wouldn't be too hard to charge off a 12v battery which in turn can charge off some solar panels.
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>>994717
If you really want something that will survive everything a computer would be a terrible choice because an EMP would blow it out.
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>>994749
>>994738
>>994741
let's do it now, I'm sure we could get that even smaller with some compression, wiki is good but it's not the only text we need to save the species, let alone humanity.

Also dump guides
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>>994825

Wow I've never heard of that before, that's cool.

You could have your own private internet network with a bunch of people across the world and encrypt it and nobody could stop you doing anything.
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>>995525
Just keep it in a metal filing cabinet then. EMPs aren't magic. We know how to defeat them.
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>mfw, lack of ruggedized tablets itt

Does not compute, fags.
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>>996031
Show yours
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Tfw no shortwave radio internet
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>>996481
I've been wanting this for a long time. Packet radio and soundcard modems are solutions, but there is so little info available for new hams like me on this very specialised subject that I just give up.
I can't just be the only person who wants to continue shitposting well after the bombs fall.
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>>996540

Imagine a VPN/proxy where you connect to a server in your country and then the packets suddenly appear in china out of nowhere because they were sent over radio.

Nobody can intercept anything without physically listening in one the radio signals.
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bump

for


ideas
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>>996985
Ideas...

Use a Raspberry Pi 3 running a low power Ubuntu distro

You can get a kit with housing, power supply (everything from batteries to mains), all relevant cables,plenty enough system memory etc etc

$80

Add a reasonable sized low powered ssd plugged in via USB port

850gb $100 - if you want even more data space buy a bigger ssd or just another one of these and hot swap whilst you're using it.

Bluetooth mini keyboard and mouse $15

You can keep this updated by simply leaving it plugged into your home Internet (cable or WiFi) and either scripting it or doing a manual update occasionally from any data sources you use.

It's small and light and very low power. Can easily use multiple power sources.

It'll plug into any HDMI screen you have access to or you could use a phone to Bluetooth in and use your phone screen.

You could lag parts with lead easily and cheaply to combat ECM pulses

Could also with a bit of fiddling interface the lot with a ham radio system for comms with others across the world.

When shtf it'll fit in your pocket and away you go.

Anything I've missed?

I might actually build one I've got most parts lying about anyway.

Happy to post up findings and designs and whatever else as I go along.
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>>997209
Ideas cont'd....

I've just had a look at any new Raspberry kit that's come out and there's a tiny little Pi Zero W that looks like it could do everything computer wise (still needs an ssd and power via a mini USB supply). Only costs around $20 with a case.

Would need a bit of skill with a soldering iron and to be able to make up or buy short cables for linking bits together.

That should reduce power requirements quite a bit and the whole system would be about as big as a cigarette packet excluding battery/psu and HDMI cable.
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>>997390
And cost to include a packet data modem / interface means you could have a complete system with tonnes of searchable data plus data communication with other users across the world (needs relevant ham system and aerial etc) for around 150 dollars excluding screen and you could carry the lot in a small pocket.
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>>994717
I use a kobo e tablet with a custom version of android which some cool guy released. It's got offline Wikipedia, some map backups and I'm building out the book collection slowly.
The e display is great as its minimal power usage and not backlit. I'm trying to figure a way to waterproof it but I've had no luck yet.
As for charging, I made a fire charger similar to this:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Battery-Charger-Powered-by-Fire/
But without the gayass gas power. Heat sink, peltier module, charger stepper and a metal rod are all you really need. And a campfire too obvs.
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>>997390
id thought about a raspberry pi for this system, but its fairly bulky and indiscrete when there are commercial systems already robust enough to work. for example kiwix, which i recently downloaded wikipedia with (and works amazingly i should say, though on my desktop only so far, not on a mobile setup), works on android devices, which can be bought off-brand for about as much as a raspberry pi

as for p2p networking, there are many ways to p2p system, but i imagine someone with experience handling network servers would have to set up the tuning for more primitive networking systems.
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>>997209
Check out EOMA86, if it doesn't suck it could be a better alternative with the laptop housing project, shouldn't be hard to make.it more rugged (stuff it in a special case)
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>>995764
Almost all amature radio people are using packet routing. HAM radio is usually 10 to 20 years ahead of consumer products.
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>>997408
Bulky anon? That Zero W is about as big as your thumb and only a few mm thick.

But I see what you mean
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>>994717

>As for charging, I made a fire charger similar to this:
>http://www.instructables.com/id/Battery-Charger-Powered-by-Fire/

The geek in me wants to go and make one of these right now
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>>997838
The modules cost fuck all but don't get your hopes up. You'll need a battery pack too to collect the fairly tiny amount of charge that it gives out. Only works well with very low power systems
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>all these energy hungry millennials
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>>997852
I suspected as much but then it's more the enjoyment in making it for me - sure it could come in handy in a crap way but if SHTF I'm far more likely to power up the generator I have in my garage.
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>>997856
Large backpack requirements
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>>997856
Do you plan on having a supermax tanker for transportation and 10,000 men willing to load the library of congress onto it?

Takes a hell of a lot more energy than flash memory my dude
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>>994825
Is there a quick guide on getting set up with one of these?
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>>997956
>>997998
When SHTF you are not supposed to go anywhere. You are supposed to be in the location you need to be when SHTF. That's one of the largest problems with the SHTF crowd. They really don't plan very well in reality. All their made up SHTF scenarios require them to leave where they are living and go someplace more unfamiliar away from their social connections and support.

That being said, I already live where I need to be if SHTF. I have a fully stocked library of about 5k-8k books. About half fiction/half non-fiction. The electric goes out here all the time. Sometimes up to 14-18 days at a stretch. I read a lot during those times. I don't use much electric in the first place.
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>>998025
How do you know that? Is where you live absolutely garunteed to be the perfect place no matter what manner of S H'ing TF occurs?

How quick can you index through all those books? I'll bet I can use a search system on a computer and get what I need a lot faster.

Speed could be the difference between life and death.

Or better - why not have both? Books are handy firelighters if kept dry
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>>997856
Because only millennials would take advantage of a piece of technology that lets you carry and read a virtually infinite number of books for the weight of a single novel. Oh, off-the-grid portable power sources definitely aren't a thing.

Yeah nah mate, I might bring a few of my favorite manga and doujinshi but that's it.
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>>994738
Wikipedia doesn't take up that much space, i once considered downloading it to an SD card and encasing it in a faux piece of amber.
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>>998171
>How do you know that?

Because I researched it before buying the property.

>Is where you live absolutely garunteed to be the perfect place no matter what manner of S H'ing TF occurs?

There are no minorities here.

>How quick can you index through all those books?

I don't need to, I read them all already. Do you read books or just collect them on your magical device that has no failure rate?
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>>998219
I read plenty of books thanks.

So you researched before you bought? Awesome and I'm happy for you. You do realise there are many people who aren't in your position to do such a thing though and therefore have to make do with alternatives?

No minorities? Great! So what if a nuke goes off its trajectory and everything edible in a 100 mile radius of you grows an extra head?

Sure you'll probably have supplies to last a lifetime but that doesn't mean everyone has that option.

OP also is being quite specific - asking about a SHTF computer rather than a discussion on whether it's worth it for an individual like yourself.

Oh and finally you've read them all? If your recall is that good then why bother keeping them?
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>>998219
i hope being contrarian isnt your most manly trait, or youd be right, you wont need the information post-scenario, youd bitch yourself out instead
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>>998275
no i apologize this was too venomous for me. but a shtf computer isnt just about data storage, not in my eyes. its also about networking and communication
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>>998275
Kek but also so true
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>>998280
In that regard see my previous posts about linking in with ham radio.

Your books certainly won't communicate right? Smoke signals don't travel far enough. Modern tech is your only real option
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>>998271
If a nuke goes off, my books won't have problems with the EMP.

>why bother keeping them?

So, I can make hand written copies for trade. I won't need to give blowjobs like you for trade.

>>998275
Good luck doing anything with your tech, kid.
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>>998310
dont fucking play yourself. that self righteousness says more than you could ever convince otherwise. "he has a computer, therefore he doesnt have books"
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>>994717
The wikipedia download and the ebooks would be the only use it would have. After SHTF not many people will be walking around with computers. They might have their phones they keep for music and such but they wont have service anymore. ISPs will be gone. Infrastructure will collapse and quickly fall into disrepair.

People may try to communicate via ham and frs radios since they don't require any intermediate infrastructure to function.
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>>994717

>So, I can make hand written copies for trade. I won't need to give blowjobs like you for trade.

Don't be silly. You're stuck out in the sticks where you are definitely OK given you checked out the area before you bought.

Who's gonna be close enough to you that will need to trade a book you've taken weeks and weeks over copying out? What are you gonna get in trade for all that time spent? A goat anus won't keep you fed.

If you're that sorted on where you live like you infer then why do you even need to trade?
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bump
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>>994717
C and Python
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>>994717
Whatcha gonna down when there's no power and your battery has hit its end of life cycle, kid?
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>>995525
Wrap in as foam, wrap in foil, place in .50 cal ammo can w/ dessicant. Do not open until after doomsday.


This all sounds very doable. Tough book, a few bigass solid state hard drives, a volume of SD cards and flashdrives stored separately as backup, a power source and some solid containers.

Hardcopy can be reserved for important technical materials.
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>>999632
shiny side out right.
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M-disks, nuqqa.

M-disks, solar panels and a bunch of e-paper monitors.
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>>994825
I think encryption is illegal on ham bands (of course not after SHTF - though the bands might become jammed)
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>>994734
>6-8gb
I have over 1TB of info i've collected over the years
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>>999607
kill myslef probably.

but ill have a few nice years :)
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>>999607
Use a printer desu




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