Why were they so evil?
>spammig this threadI wish the mods would do something about it.
Name one evil thing about them supported by evidence that wasn't atrocity propaganda supported by forged documents or eyewitness testimony.
>>106752852Turkic roots. (especially those huns)
>>106752852why are they so hard to kill?
>>106753141Rape of Belgium.
>>106753441you mad about Istria and Fiume or what ?
>>106753585it's an italian thing, the austro-hungarian empire had a LOT of italian clay with italians living in it, the ideal of risorgimento demanded that we did everything to get it back
>>106752852they were based and the world would be better if they won
>>106753251inb4 butthurt balts
>>106753708but you dont h-hate me, r-right ?
>>106754178your very existence makes romanians butthurt, we're cool
>>106753441Haha, exactly! A-H was a stupid anachronism that was going seriously against the wind, even as far back as the 1840s. Its rulers should have sensibly seen how things were going and taken sensible measures to ease the transition while retaining control - perhaps like Britain's monarchy with regard to Canada and Australia. Such a multi-national behemoth was NOT going to survive the 20th century, and the fools in charge only made it worse by annexing Bosnia. Think about it - you're a feudal relic of a bygone age, experiencing considerable ethnic tensions - between Germans and Hungarians, and from the various Slavonic nationalities against both the 'leading' nations too - and then you go and try to digest ANOTHER territory, let alone one as full of ethno-religious antagonisms as a former Ottoman province! Madness. The map attached is GROSSLY simplified. Germany, or rather Wilhelm II and his circle, was to blame for encouraging the idiot Habsburgs too, of course.
>>106752852>win all your battles>lose the warThanks, allies.
>>106756957>win all the battlesBut this is false.We lost some battles in Macedonia. There was one particular city that we took, then lost it, and then had to shell it even though it was full of bulgarians, to retake it.We also lost at least one battle against the russians in Romania.
>>106757216>We also lost at least one battle against the russians in Romania.
Why did Turkey allied with Germany and Austria-Hungary?What would the ottoman empire benefit?
>>106757303Ah, Brusilov's innovate and subtly genius strategy of "run at them and shoot until they go away".To eventually be reused during the Soviet counter-attack on Germany.
>>106757547The British tried to buy their allegiance but were simply outbid by the Germans & Austrians
>>106757547>What would the ottoman empire benefit?Reconquest of Egypt and Libya, and some Caucasus land from Russia.Besides, they had the Germans training their army and navy, selling them guns and ships, and overall teaching them to be people.Japan was in a similar situation in the second war.
>>106755272the goal was only to push german influence into the south and east, and it worked
>>106753205http://www.bioone.org/doi/full/10.13110/humanbiology.87.1.0019I'll just leave this here.
>>106757795I'll just leave this here.
>>106757869>kamenitzaWhy are the so subhuman, tho?
>>106757656>serbia stronglmfao a-h was the greatest military disaster since the 4th crusadeluxembourg could've beaten them
>>106757939Carbonated piss is still piss, why pay premium?>>106758012Hey, their pornography export is through the roof, I love me some.
>>106757869kill yourself subhuman toothless faggot mudslime
>>106758063Because carbonated estrogen is tasty for my man-tits.
>>106758071t. Moхaмeд Хaджи-Кoджaaхмeд Бaямoхaмeдaнoв
>>106758195thats a nice name you have, t*rcuck
>>106752852>>106752852They're fucking Communist scum.
>>106752852Becuse they are all sub-humans
>>106758411You're about to be too, boyo
>>106752852Because these nations are like the quadfactor of Autism
>>106753251Poor poles Got reckt twiceHad only that one guy survived a little longer and had their gov not been jewed they could have fought on the right side
What's with all the butthurt Bulgarians?
>>106758738They are still mad we ruled them for 500 years, mashallah.
>>106758738The subhumans have 0 bantz level.
wow rare bg thread, дoкaжeтe, чe cтe бългapи инaчe cтe пpoкcитaIf WW1 was won by the Centrals, the world be overall a better place
>>106753441Why does Italy get so pissy about A-H?Is it because you couldn't beat them alone even when they were distracted fighting Russia and Serbia?
>>106757795Newfags are stupid if they belive Bulgars are Turks just for beeing Horse People
>>106758738it's a thread about ww1 you lobotomized monkey and in case you weren't aware this country did in fact exist at the time and even participated on the side of the good guys.Shocker.
>>106758927I agree, the personal union between Bulgaria and Turkey would've restored the Roman Empire.Our turks genes would have spread across the Mediterranean, making it Allah's Lake as it should be.Takbir.
>>106752852pic rel, Italian unification was a mistake.>>106753061>>106757795We need to bring the old band back together.
>>106759042Why are you so upset anon, do you need someone to talk to?HA TPИ MOPETA
get rekt cucks
>>106759329>>106759042>>106759000What's up, bros?Also checked Franz' get.
>>106759317>not even posting the best girlShit taste as expected.
>>106759493Who's best Girl?
>>106755272wtf are germans doing in southern Slovenia? We never had germans living there.. this was and is Slovenian clay.
>>106759776Also, Trst je naš ("Trieste belongs to Slovenians")
>>106759844True. And Slovenia belongs to Hungary :v]
>>106752852Because they're dumb , greedy and proud.
>>106752852Literally the only best part of Central Powers was Germany.(This is why they were the only biggest threat to entente)>Austro-HungaryMulticultural hellhole which would have dissolved even if they won the war.They had the most shit tier generals like Hötzendorf and the most shit tier army training(Soldiers literally were taught every member of Royal line of Habsburg... why?)>OttomansPretty much same as A-H but were even more pathetic and humiliatingLike the only major victory they had (Gallipoli) was because of Germans generals...They were losing Russians and British entire war until Russia fell into civil war and abandoned Caucasia so the roaches cameWere so much pathetic that most of their ethnic populations were fighting against them like arabs, armenians, greeks etc.Like the spregs they had to resort to genocide populace. (roach being roach i guess)>Bulgaria>The first one to surrendered... >Trusting a nation known for backstabingGermany should have abandoned A-H and let Russians eat the up so the war could have been avoided.
>>106759940No, it always belonged to Austria. You are mistaking them for Slovakia, but can't blame you for that.
>>106760018Whats up with selfhating Bulgarians in this thread? Balkandiaspora?
>>106760046Shutup Latvia, you're not even a real country.
>>106759775The one in your heart, anon.[s/poil/er]until she grows old ugly and evil[/spoiler]I actually love ww1 threads. The retarded posts floating around sometimes even about nazis are just a bonus.
>>106760128At least we did more in the war unlike Bulgaria.kek.
>>106760092It's our favorite pastime. We have everyone equally including each other and ourselves. It comes from a long lost pride.
WWI was a War on Terror.And the terrorists won.
>>106760046Stop sucking German dick so hard, it's pathetic after driving them away from your "country". Also A-H only declared war to Serbia because the Germans encouraged us (and the Hungarian PM still objected to it), we literally had nothing to gain from it.
>>106760225Like what? Died more? Stay Estonia's footstool, potatonigger.
>>106759993>Hungary>An actual shithole>rural hell with low paying jobs and high level of uninploymentlol, you are in every aspect worse than Slovenia.
>>106760225You helped the Russians topple their rightfult regime and establish communism, good work Janis, you should be proud.
>>106760393>muh shekelsHaving money still doesn't make you a country, just ask Belgium.
>>106757795bulgarians are either super dumb or very nice and smart ppl. I never met a mediocre bulgarian
>>106760046>Soldiers literally were taught every member of Royal line of Habsburg... why?what did you mean by that exactly ?
>>106760302>Kaiser literally send a message to his cousin Tsar to stop mobilistation>Was angered when A-H declared war on SerbiaYeah it's the krauts fault not the spreging out of the Habsburgs after murder of their heir.
>>106760563>If we suck German dick harder, they might come back and make our shithole prosperous againToo late, you are Russian clay now.
>>106759776Hmm? They fairly consistently feature on older maps. Probably all murdered, driven away or assimilated before your grandparents were born.
>>106760376We were actually had one other the most biggest and successful infantry division of Russian EmpireWelp until Civil War came and they split it into three part whites/reds/independent>>106760446True
>>106760747Yep, it's the usual Slavic historical revisionism. Pressburg used to be a German/Hungarian city before the Czechs drove them away then invented Slovakia.
>>106760743How well would have you stood against Russia solo?
>>106760978Az 1956 showed not too well. But we didn't help kikes to murder their rightful ruler just so those kikes can rule our country for 50 years.
They were the conservative forces that got rekt by libtards, fucking Europe up in the processwell done shitheads
>>106760532That they were importantly though most retarded things about war.How well will knowing every member of house of Habsburgs go on the fields?
>>106761154B-but muh nationalism is a good thing! Splitting up the Empire and forcibly changing historical borders so those nations who lived in peace and had prosperity together could become a bunch of irrelevant, squabbling and poor countries was totally necessary and progressive!
>>106760899Ah, you mean POSZONY... ;) (Right on the 'Slovenian' border at one point in time...)
>>106761110Well we did punish(imprisoned and tortured) red riflemen who dared to return to Latvia after the civil war.They literally betrayed Latvia by attacking it independence.
>>106760061I should know that and could have checked the flags. Slowakia has almost same coat of arms.
>>106761365It was inevitable as soon as education and literacy spread. The Habsburgs should have managed it more realistically, with federations and stuff. Just kissing a few intellectuals' arses, giving them meaningless university jobs would have done wonders, even.
>>106761434Yeah, sometimes you can be quite based. The Forest Brethren after ww2 were true heroes desu. You will still have to suffer non-country jokes for a few centuries though :^)
>>106761455>Slowakia has almost same coat of arms.Squint harder! How are a cross and a mountain similar?!
>>106761574Franz Ferdinan wanted exactly that, but he got murdered.Charles IV also had similar plans and wanted to quit the war in 1917 (ironically the Italians would have gained more in that case), but his foreign minister was a German spy so it was flawed from the start.
>>106761659>Cross and mountainThat's so original of them :^)
>>106760200made my choise>>106760272Serbia dominated whole Yoguslavia after 1919. Post yfw.
>>106753141invasion of Serbia, Belgium, and Luxembourg for literally no reason leading to the eventual disintegration of all European empires.
Self-hating Bulgarians should all emigrate.Österreicher und Deutsche - die einzigen echten Verbündeten. Gott segne euch.
>>106759776>>106759844You are not a real country.You belong to Austria.
>>106761762>but he got murdered.Damned shame. Quite why a supposedly intelligent educated man would choose to go on holiday in a newly-annexed restless Balkan province is beyond me! Mad bastard. Apparently he'd been emu hunting in Australia at one point. Deathwish...
>>106761948>Croatia under Hungary for 800 years>The most serious conflict between us is Croats siding with the Austrians when we rebelled in 1848, fought a few battles, no atrocities>Croatia under Serbian rule for 20 years>Jasenovac happensReally makes you go hmm...
>>106762264>advocating for German ports in the Adriaticeveryone look at this ukrop and laugh
>>106752852They weren't ! Gott schutze die Kaiser ! Duri eterno questo impero salvi Iddio l'Imperator !
>>106760046>latvia>real countryYou helped the commies nigger.
>>106762227Delusional bulgarians should all be recycled for glue and soap, at least that way we can make use of them.
>>106762227Is "Haздpaвe" "Gott schütze euch", but also "Cheers?"Based
>>106762275Actually there were multiple attempts on his life that day. He died when he wanted to visit the victims of one of those previous attempts at hospital iirc.
>>106760747>macedonia is serbian ballsackkek everytime
>>106762524Meins 'heil', more or less. It's about 'health', and so serves pretty well for hailing leaders and drinking toasts.
>>106762524>Is "Haздpaвe" "Gott schütze euch", but also "Cheers?"yes>>106762461fuck you roach
>>106762524Yes it is. It also means "bless you" and is used in that sense after someone has sneezed.
>>106762433Every time Austria had access to the sea, a world war happened.Coincidence? I think not.Better keep it landlocked.
>>106762706With some nasty Albanian testicular cancer spreading from the west... I advise amputation in such cases.
>>106762275RIP in peace
>>106762524"Haздpaвe" bedeutet sowohl "Prost!/ Zum Wohl!" als auch "Gesundheit! (nach dem Niesen)".Гocпoд дa ви пaзи (Gospod da vi pazi!) - Gott schütze euch!
>>106752852actually ww1 was going pretty well for central powers. however they are betrayed domestically. pic related
>>106760092In this case its just a couple of turkish diaspora inbred mongorels.
>>106763291That's true, we had a "socialist" revolution before the red scum took over and got the most incompetent president ever who just dissolved our whole army because he trusted that our neighbours will respect our borders. Leftists are fucking traitors.
>>106763291>actually ww1 was going pretty well for central powersGermans were literally starving.Their average height dropped because their children couldn't eat enough to grow.The war was sure as fuck now going well.
>>106763917allied powers used propaganda, civil wars, inside conflicts and rebellions effectively as a warfare. after gallipoli victory in 1916, english backed arabs and russian backed armenians revolted against ottomans.
>>106764904In Germany and Austria-Hungary it were not paid agents but (((traitors))).
>>106764619georgi dimitrov detected.
>>106755272>stupid anachronismFunny way of saying the most based state which kept sacred old traditions longer than anyone else. You're all degenerate traitors to Tradition. Shame on you.
>>106765381Don't make me Vittorio Veneto you again.
>>106765853We both know you're shit in military matters. On the other hand, we've kept tartars and kebab at bay for a millennia. Leave us alone and you'll be left alone. We can even yell Italian catchphrases at each other during summer vacations.
>>106764619>>106763291It was 4 against the World, militarily spoken we had a good run, but you can't argue it was hard for civilians and soldiers.
>>106752852Why the hell did you guys betray us?You could have been at least neutral you know?Besides, none of them were evil. Austria Hungary was bringing civilization back to former Ottoman western Balkan lands, meanwhile, the Ottomans were far better than the Saudis and the likes which filled their land later.Not to speak of Germany's effort to liberate western Europeans from Russia (western Europe is anything without an orthodox majority)
>>106755272>made it worse by annexing BosniaHow so? No new people were added, it only expanded Croatia de facto.Besides, who are you to speak? Spain is as multicultural as the AH was. Multiculturalism is good as long as it is only filled by European cultures mate.
>>106757547They had literally no reason to ally with the Entente which included Russia, Serbia, Italy, Greece, and Montenegro, all of which the Empire bitterly hated and had just had wars with in the past 2 decadesThe British and French may have helped the Ottomans out occasionally, but they also held huge amounts of their debt and former territorial possessions i.e. Egypt, Algiers, Sudan, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, and Tunis to name a few. These territories along with the British Raj stood in the way of Enver Pasha's (the main Ottoman war hawk) vision of creating a pan-Turkic, pan-Islamic empire in the middle east and Central Asia The Germans on the other hand had ambitions of expanding their Middle Eastern influence, as they believed the future of colonialism was in Arabia since their few African possessions showed such little promise, which is why they decided to train, equip, and reform the Ottoman army and navy to at least 1890s standards before the outbreak of the war, something that greatly surprised the British troops when they realized that the Ottomans were not going to be knocked out of the war within a month that of fighting and instead posed a grave threat to their middle eastern possessions To this day, Germany and Turkey still enjoy a special sort of relationship, all memes aside
>>106766571>liberate western Europeans from RussiaYou mean east? Creation of Poland Ukraine, Finland and the matter?
>>106766834Like said, Eastern Europe only begins on Belarus' border in that area. The Baltics and Poland were always culturally western.
>>106766571>Not to speak of Germany's effort to liberate western Europeans from Russia?Did you take your daily Apaurin/Bensedin dose?
>>106766708>Multiculturalism is good as long as it is only filled by European culturesWhat is Al-Andalus?But i agree. A-H was based and prestigious.
>>106759776Gottschee (Slovene: Kočevsko): a former German-speaking region in Carniolahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottschee
>>106767051Of course. This who propaganda has to end.Can't we see that petty nationalism wants to reduce our homes to city states, while the rest of the world grows larger nations... How long till Germany would fracture into microstates again? Shall we let Europe become the Europa Universalis 1444 map again?Many European cultures in one country while united under conservative firm rule will breed success.
>>106766709>To this day, Germany and Turkey still enjoy a special sort of relationship, all memes asideYeah, we hate each other's guts by now. Thanks, America.
>>106767311>become the Europa Universalis 1444 mapI do not want to be sandwidched between ottomans and France tbhwyfamalam>Many European cultures in one country [...] will breed success.Maybe, but there are always people who will not like the idea. Also what countries do you think would like to be one? >Szecheslovakia>Yoguslavia>USSRAll (more or less) products of Versailles
>>106757678>Besides, they had the Germans training their army and navy, selling them guns and ships, and overall teaching them to be people.we did the same with the very young US, by the way.Geez, we're really too nice to everyone. It always bites us in the ass and everyone hates us anyway.
We were so close. At the end of WWI, The Eastern Front was pretty much cleared up from enemy powers>Fucked up Russia>Fucked up Romania>Fucked up Serbia>Fucked up Italy at CaporettoBut then the retarded Amerifats came, and fucked up the Central Powers, then the reds and the kikes backstabbed us.Also, this is a pretty good thread. No shitposting Romanians, eternal Anglos and Burgers.
>>106767578It's an economic kind of feel, Fritz. West Germany ran on Turk labor, it's not our fault you elected an Ossie to open the floodgates for them
>>106767051>>106767311City states and small kingdoms are a cultural ideal, but when you have a big civilization, it's a juggling game to unite so larger civilizational projects can happen. A-H was great because it didn't force diversity until when nationalism became a problem. I think Europe will fracture even more in the future. And these smaller states will form trade and military blocks. From what I can guess, there'll be an Anglo block, northern European block, southern European block, Višegrad block and the Russian east.My main concerns are mudslimes immigration took in, which will need to be removed in a continent wide civil war, EU's very needed downfall and Russian grabbing of the east - I want to stay with Poland and Hungary, not be anexed by Serbia in the name of Russian interests.Oh and Germany better sunder into smaller states. It brought nothing but trouble to everyone time and time again.
>>106767578german government invited turkish guest workers for cheap labor after ww2. unlike modern immigration to europe today, turkish german citizens in germany were neither refugees nor illegal immigrants.
>>106767578Turks in Germany ≠ Turks in Turkey>They are not sending their best
>>106760563That's non-german for you. We have such nice plans for everyone (well, not anymore) and someone always fucks it up.
>>106767854Antonesceu a shit, Horthy a best
>>106767854Man, if the UK never joined, the US would have never joined either.It is a pity we lost... Have to walk on the walkway of Wilson and not on the Kalay walkway because of it heh.
>>106752852They weren't. They were the good guys. I'm sorry on behalf of all the Allies.
>>106766571"bringing civilization back"lol nope, they just wanted to take everything the people of the balkans had been fighting for. the balkan lands were liberated by the end of the 19th century, just for AH to come and just annex and claim 30 years later. we didn't want the rule of a monarchy being eaten from the inside by maggots, which would surely collapse with the inclusion of more slavs which had no intentions of being ruled by foreign powers anymore.
>>106764619>Germans were literally starving.>Their average height dropped because their children couldn't eat enough to grow.Irrelevant and pretty much wrong anyway (the problems came after the war). War was so much fun until the commies defeated us from the inside. That wasn't fun at all.
>>106767051>What is Al-Andalus?A shithole?
>>106767987But if we fracture into small states, then we are doomed. How could we resist US, Chinese and Russian influence.As long as neither of those countries gets separatism. Neither should we....A new Roman Empire, Napoleonic, AH, or Intermarium is needed.Russia can grab the east, ie orthodox lands, but we must face that orthodox Europe is inferior to the rest. Compare the life in Russia to life in Poland, Serbia to Croatia and so on.
>>106767854And we were about to make it a tri-part kingdom of Austria, Hungary and Croatia. But no, US just had to come in and hand us to Serbian good goys.
>>106752852Because they lost.
>>106768028I heard Germans actually took a liking to all Slavs from Serbs to Czechs to Croats then when the Serb chomped out relationships bittered at least between the germs and Serbs
>>106752852It's pretty well established there was really no evil sides in WWI.It's just the result of greedy empire leaderships looking for an excuse to start a war and sending men off to probably the worst conditions ever seen in a battlefield to fight.
>>106768170Foreign rule in these lands if preferred to domestic rule The average balkanite, especially the un-academic lesser classes, are inferior to their western peers.Being ruled by cultured foreigners who will dismantle your native culture and impose theirs is always better than being ruled by idiots at home.
>>106767967>West Germany ran on Turk laborAmerican education. In fact, we didn't want them because we knew what would happen. They also didn't work much. Italians and Greeks did.>it's not our fault you elected an Ossie to open the floodgates for themNo, that is absolutely your fault and your fault alone. The only thing that's more insulting than your irrational Germanophobia is your lying about it.>>106767994>german government invited turkish guest workers for cheap labor after ww2. Nope, that was the US setting the gun to our head and saiyng "Invite Turks or else..." since they needed an ally against russia in that region. That's the official story.>unlike modern immigration to europe today, turkish german citizens in germany were neither refugees nor illegal immigrants.Nope, but they were used to blackmail Germany into being servile to the US.Well, we all know how that ended. The US is at fault for this and anyone who disagrees is a fucking idiot. It's not even a conspiracy theory, you can read this shit on wikipedia and in any history book.
>>106755272Blame Napoleon for their collapse. The Austrians recreated the Holy Roman Empire as the German Confederation and wanted to hold onto both their German interests and non-German crown lands. Their real mistake was not releasing Poland or Romania and putting a Habsburg cousin on the throne to ensure longer stability.
Human nature is evildeal with it
>>106768535the same cuck mentality that got you to accept islam centuries beforehand
>>106768413We're not picky like that. We usually like everyone until they fuck us over.
>>106768591>Nope, that was the US setting the gun to our head and saiyng "Invite Turks or else...">unironically believing this
>>106752852Kaiser Wilhelm the 2nd Did nothing wrong.
>>106768335US will eventually destroy itself. Trump isn't going more isolationists because he likes it ideologically. He's doing it because US can't maintain its power without a complete monetary collapse.China is a meme desu. It won't grow much more. It'll fall from grace just as Japan did 25 years ago. Besides, they can't into aggressive expansion out of their comfort zone in Asia. And they're bad at it - they barely came to Africa and niggers are already unified against them because they're inhuman unlike Europeans. Chinese colonization has no future. And with the rise of nationalism we won't let them into our countries.Russia - good luck staying out of their sphere. Either you go there with Serbia or you get anexex by us. I don't think BiH has any chance of sustaining itself.>Intermarium Well yes, Višegrad group - from Poland to Croatia. Germans not welcome this time (sorry Austrians, I like you but we can't do this again)
>>106766938I would call Germany, Austria, Hungary and Poland Central European but its all a matter of perspective, desu.>>106767854Do not forgett Montenegro. If you count all your defeated enemies, never let one out. Never talk shit about defeated enemies, or you make yourself look weak.>>106767987>A-H was great because it didn't force diversity this>>106767994this>>106768094>>106768107rare Horthywojack for you>>106768335The smaller the state, the more influence a single person could have on politics.
>>106768687But Ottomans were an inferior culture, just a powerful country, it is no comparison. On the other hand, I would have accepted Napoleon, Old Fritz, and so on to rule me.All smaller nations must be annexed and assimilated by greater cultures.
>>106768742That little bitch has got swag
>>106768591I would seriously like to see you prove that we elected Angela Merkel, take some responsibility for your actions you fucking mong, destroying Europe 3 times in 1 century wasn't an American conspiracy
>>106768772>BiH >not a rightful province of CroatiaAlso >anyone sane in their head>not wanting Bosnia to cease
>>106768864sums up classic turkish tv posture :')
>>106768837you will never understand because you have never shed a single drop of blood for your freedom, heritage or identity.
>>106768394>filename>last good year:^(
>>106768202How is dying from starvation irrelevant to total war?
>>106768101As far as I know, the public didn't want to joint the war, especially not on Britain's side.>Irish Americans still butthurt at Britain>German Americans don't want to join for obvious reasons.>Most Americans are also butthurt for the war of 1812 (muh White House)But then everyone fell for the Zimmermann Telegram meme.Thank you Wilson, you syphilis ridden asshole.
>>106768823The smaller the state the less greatness it can normally produce.Also, the easier it is for one person to rule, the easier it is for the wrong one to rule. Look at Republika Srpska: piss poor and being theived out by their millionaire ex-villager president bafoon.On the contrary, a big nation can fall to single rule only under great men, like Napoleon.
>>106758726>17 percent ashkenazi Jewish population > fight on right side Kek, retard
>>106768701Yup just goes to show kikes and the ((Anglo)) truly are the enemy of the civilized white race just when society was about to prosper to unknown limits in 1914 some Russian kikes fund the black hand to kill franzy. Sad :^\
>>106768998No one asked me where I would be bornI have only a real loyalty to the next "Rome"
>>106768949>>BiH >>not a rightful province of CroatiaI don't know. You might be one of those thinking "muslim" is an word that denotes nationalism and I'd rather stay civil in this thread.Though I must say this - realistically Bosnia will probably go to Serbia. They've got a much bigger presence. We'll just take Hercegovina and maybe Posavina.
>tfw Bulgaria used to be a significant power in Europe>tfw you play a strategy game in WW1 or WW2 and you're a major player>tfw you used to play football manager games and your country was a major powerhouse, even a playable league in fifa>tfw now you play those games and you make it a powerhouse but it becomes more sad than great because you know it never will be again>tfw you go learn roman history and byzantine and all sorts of such things and it's one of the major factors in EuropeWhere did it all go so wrong ;_;
>>106768745He was kinda silly, mildly autistic, had a fetish for ships and unconditional love for his country. He was a living meme, but not a bad guy. He actually tried to prevent the war. It's a shame, that most germans see him as Hitler 0.9>>106760563
>>106769195if you see it as a fair deal, i'm all for it, crobro
>Allying with RoachistanThere is no excuse, Germany.
>>106769195The muslim problem is always easy to solve.Besides, I am asking for nothing more than Banovina Hrvarska borders and taking back Herzegovina. Alas save us from filthy Serbs (most bad muslims are Serb, like Alija). The Croat muslims seem more prone to hate Islam (most commies are Croats when it comes to "muslims)
>>106760393>rural hell with low paying jobs and high level of unemploymentYou must be confusing us with Slovakia...>literally 2x the unemployment rate for the past 2 years
>>106769381how do you differentiate between "serb muslims" and "croatian muslims" in bosnia?
>>106769037It's true. WW1 ruined every year since it.
>>106769261A country of 2 million men drafting 1.2 million of them to go kill people and still losing the war.Bulgaria had EVERYONE fight, so we lost poets, engineers, artists, singers, politicians, etc.Go all in, lose, suffer for it.
>>106769622was it worth it, bro?
>>106769381I haven't spent much time out of Catholic parts of Herzegovina, so I have a question. Realistically, do you think most Bosnian muslims will drop their religion or reconvert if they get annexed by Croatia?What's the trend nowadays? I hear a lot about more people being easygoing with their religion, but also about many ISIS sympathisers. If Europe goes full nationalist and religious, do you think muslims would follow, but in the Mohammedan direction leading to trouble?
>>106769261>mfw it's one of the oldest countries in europes history>>106769622I learned, that they drafted 25% of their population, wich is still somewhere between badass and desperate. >50% seems quite odd, but im willing to learn.>>106769575Someone has the 1913 autosave?
>>106769530They don't. "Muslim" is apparently an ethnicity in Bosnia
>>106769787they would probably move away. a lot of them did when republika srpska formed. there are a lot who stayed and haven't converted. there are also those who moved back to where they lived years after the war, not dropping their religion
>>106769941>they would probably move awayHard to move away when your whole country is divided between kebab removers.
>>10676991925% of population, but over 50% of MALE population, throughout the conflict.
>>106769927So are Bosnian Muslims just Croats?i have a friend who has blonde hair blue eyes from bosnia and he's Muslim
>>106766314it was 4 against a part of the world most of wich got btfo hard and one of them dissapeared into the night thanks to commies
>>106769372B-but it was fine during gommunism ;_;>>106769622Yeh stupid political decisions, the mainstay of our country for about 1300 fucking years>>106769919Unfortunately the gommunists rewrote a lot of post-slavery history, so it's VERY unclear.
>>106770141Bosnia is inhabited by Croats and Serbs.Some of them converted to Islam during Ottoman times, but they're still ethnically either Croats or Serbs.
>>106770141They're what happens when local population - be it Croatian, Serbian or any other group that ended up there thru wars - is converted by Turks into a heresy.
>>106770074well i don't know, i know a lot of them that did. we should bear in mind however, that balkan muslims are still slavs and descendents of serbs and croats that lived there. there are muslims that realized that, take mesa selimovic for example.
>>106769622>>106769919We were not 2million, more like 4-5. Drafting 1.2mil out of 2 is idiotic.Also, all the selfhating bulgarians and turks under my flag should gas themselves or go to work as plumbers in the UK.You are the biggest filth on earth.Even bulgarian turks are better than you.Educated and civilized gyppos are better than you. If you dont respect Bulgaria as a country and you are bulgarian, you can fuck off and work as a slave in some other country.Also,
>>106760853you wouldn't even be a country if we hadn't saved your ass from the Germans in 1919
>>106768823>>A-H was great because it didn't force diversity It can also be argued that it collapsed because the nationality problem wasn't resolved and the country's integrity went to shit because the nationalities felt ignored and became disloyal
>>106770510>the nationality problem wasn't resolvedCould've stayed a tri-part kingdom with ease. Maybe ceding parts of Czechia and Slovakia. But it had to end because US wouldn't stand for monarchy and we were on the losing end of the war.
>>106768535>The average balkanite, especially the un-academic lesser classes, are inferior to their western peers.What a disgusting thing to say, when these same Westerners have been voting in rulers for decades who openly aim to replace their entire nations.
>>106770423Also, our leaders were the biggest fuck ups in history and still are.Suffered the most in balkan war 1.Start shit with ur neighbours, they attack u.Balkan war happens,suffer more.Then our cuck rulers decide to join the side that lost in BOTH world wars,suffer more.THEN fucking socialism comes, suffer more.Socialism is gone,bulgaria was regaining a bit by bit, but here comes """((((DEMOCRACY)))""".Almost 30 years later, shit is the same or worse than 1989.REEEEEEEEE
>>106770423>falling for the "patriot" meme of hating Bulgarians abroad rather than turks and gyppos because they vote lessivane pls
>>106770812And now your voter participation is a joke. A Bulgarian friend told me it's suspected that more minorities vote in absolute numbers than ethnic Bulgarians. Is this true?
>>106770851I dont hate bulgarians abroad. I hate bulgarians in bulgaria who talk shit about bulgaria and live here.If you dont like this place,just get the fuck out. There are countless of options. As bulgarian you can immigrate almost everywhere easly,but they decide to stay here and whine all day how their life is misrable,because of the "system" instead of trying to fix their shit themselves.We all know Bulgaria isnt the best place to live in,but its not the worst as well. If you dont like it, you are free to fuck off.
>>106752852 (OP) Who cares. Why did you backstab them.
>>106760092Ahmeds, Mohhameds and ofc our favourite roach- Serdar.
>>106770182That's just it though, it was only """fine""" not great or even particularly goodSure the country didn't go backwards, but it didn't go forwards for half a century. You can recover from a war, no matter how horrific it is. Buildings can be rebuilt, debris can be cleared and men can be replaced, but there is no cure for 50 years of stagnation, all you can do is play catch up
>>106771074Hope you're talking about Bulgarians who talk shit about things like how there's no jobs (lel yes there is you fucking dickhead the whole industry of the country is starved of employees) or such and not people who legit criticize some of the shit the country does. But yes, I get you now.I also get pissed by retards who sit on their asses and just complain. I know a bunch of people from Varna, fucking dozens who will always talk about how there's nothing to do, you can only work for 300 leva in some shitty tourist place. I've always asked them, tourism in Varna is going UP because of cheap flights, why don't you start a business or something and they'll all look at me like I'm suggesting they spread their arms and fly.In the end, Bulgaria is REALLY not that bad right now. There's ok security, which you get almost nowhere, low taxation, decent opportunity.
>>106770110Sorry i didnt read properly. We had the same numbers.>>106770510Nationalism, Panslavism, radical leftists killed it.>>106770812>Be germaies ally in WW2>Dont fight USSR>Declare war on UK and US so they bomb you.20. century was a mistake.
>>106771274Meh, communism moved forward, for a while. Industry was a driving force around that time and the industrialization of the country did well. Economically and all, not commenting on culture, freedom and so on. Unfortunately the transition was absolute fucking shit. As bad as communism was, the transition is pure crime and the worst, most retarded shit ever done. I had to write some stuff for uni about transition and I read about some of the more detailed things they did around then (administrative changes, political decisions) and I couldn't help but get disgusted as shit.My god things like agriculture or local industry were outright butchered
>>106771345Don't worry, at least you are fighting Russia now, by refusing to buy cheap gas and letting the USA park its army in your cities.
>>106771595Communism bankrupt the country and we had to sell our entire gold reserve to the USSR to be able to afford existing.
>>106757547triple entente refused a non-agression pact with the empirealso ottoman officers were mostly pro-german and many german officers were pro-ottomanin the end it didn't turn out so bad for us though;+no longer have to deal with large amounts of armenians, arabs or greeks+large reforms were performed and the country was turned into a nation-state±got rekt in the end but at least managed to dissolve the empire whilst staying honorable-lost a lot of clay-lost access to oil-no longer have access to any kind of useful natural resource really-lost control over sunni islam-empire was cool in its own way
>>106771687Don't take memes too seriously senpai.I've also never understood this Bulgarian habit to pick one specific instance/happening of some description and wave it around as a flag that proves everything. What's up with that?
>>106771345>Nationalism, Panslavism, radical leftists killed it.Unless we ended up on the losing end of the war, I don't think these groups would have enough power to do what they did. Especially without US backing. Worst case scenario - separate Kingdoms and "Yugoslavia" with no Croatia.
>>106771031It's true that the voter participation is low, but not lower than minorities. Thats changed anyways.2016 they implemented a law that if you dont vote twice,your vote wont count in the future.So basically everybody went voting and we had one of the highest voting participations last year.So ya, in Bulgaria voting is kinda mandatory now if you want ur vote to be listed.Also, minorities vote, because they get paid between 10-25 euro for a vote. They ship them with busses from Turkey and bulgarian-turks with double citizenship vote for the Turkish party. All minorities vote for it (DPS), but they are like 3-4th place. We all know DPS is controlled opposition, so nobody gives a fuck about it. They have almost no say in our politics and lawmaking. They are just there so that minorities and turks can feel good about themselves that there is a party to """represent"" them.Right now we have no goverment. The prime minister and his ruling party stepped out of the "throne" by their own will. Boyko Borisov our ex-prime minister said if his candidate for president loses, he will resign from his position. Many people didnt belive it, because this means he will leave the country without nobody to rule it and there is no other proper party than his which can take their place.So right now we are without prime minister and ruling party and with newly elected literally socialist president, who is ex-general.new elections comming soon. boyko resigned like that once and he was re-elected again with huge majority after serving 2 yrs of his second term. Now he did it again ,but used other "methods". People suspect he will try to run again for a 3rd time and he will win, but nothing is known for sure for now.
>>106771791You mean morons who claim the USSR stole our gold, when it has been documented we sold it to get enough money for the welfare state?
>>106771625We are fucking ourselves with the sanctions, desu, but Merkel and her clique doesn't care for germany (big relevation)>fighting RussiaNever a good idea.
>>106771738Only one thing to add>-lost access to oil>-lost control over sunni islam-Saudi Arabia emerges
>>106772004The guys who stormed Edirne were all bulgarian turks, by the way. Thats probably them.So if you are the kind of shitposter who says pomaks are turks and should fuck off, you might want to change your image.
>>106771595The only advancements Communism made were the most basic ones, and only until about the 1950s, essentially on par with the Romanian industrialization campaigns in the late 50s, but there was a drop off after Kruschev as the Soviets became more and more focused on spreading rather than sustaining Communism Transitions from autocracy are always rough, but especially after economic autocracy because it's hard to divide state monopolies fairly among private interests when there aren't really many private interests to begin withBut hey, at least you're not Romania, that was 20x worse and continues to suck
>>106772159I jsut wanted to chat about ww1 with my fellow centralpower-dudes and share somewhat rare imagines of Bulgarian war participation. >Bulgarians presenting ententestuff they captured>no words about turks
>>106772004>fighting Russia>never a good ideaYeah...BUT THIS TIME WE'LL WIN FOR SURE, GOTT MIT UNS
>>106772468>GOTT MIT UNSYou mean equality?
>>106752852The Central Powers should have won WWI. Not only did they have the moral right (protecting their national sovereignty from foreign terrorists), they were fighting the British Empire, the Russian Empire, and the Belgian Empire who's atrocities committed on colonized peoples and their own peoples (Russia) should have warranted earlier military action.
>>106771031Not necessarily. Pure math is pretty simple:>GERB has about as many turk/gypsy votes as the DPS>BSP has weirdly almost stopped buying/getting gypsy votes (mostly due to lack of money not will)>about 100k gypsy votes are for sale to the highest bidder, give or take a few>DPS has iron 500k votesFrom then on you just count:>500k for GERB>bout 20-30k for BSP>100k freeMakes about 1,2 million minority votes. 3,5 million voters makes them just a little over 1/3rd of the votes.Still a motherfuckload.>>106771859That law made no difference whatsoever. Voting participation was due to two things and two things alone:>protest vote against Borissov and especially against Tzacheva>enthusiasm over RadevAlso:>They ship them with busses from Turkey and bulgarian-turks with double citizenship vote for the Turkish partyGERB has surpassed DPS for Turk voters from actual Turkey and is pretty much on par with DPS for Bulgarian turks. Winning pomaks.And you're wrong on several other counts:>They have almost no say in our politics and lawmakingDPS make a shitfuckload of difference. ALL the judicial laws are almost entirely theirs. They manage budget more than you think. There's a lot more but I can't think about it right now.>newly elected literally socialist presidentHe is not a politician, therefore neither left nor right. He has yet to assert any political positions. All he holds now is the representation of his voters, the first of which were socialists.>People suspect he will try to run again for a 3rd time and he will winMost probable scenario now is a grand coalition.>t. person who actually works in Bulgarian politics
>>106771999>We're living in a time where germany needs to be dismantled the most.yes pls. Someone nuke them before they drag us into another WW3 and lose more territory and people. At the end we might have the population and theritory of luxenbourg and economy of somalia.FUCKING KRAUTS REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>106772158>-Saudi Arabia emergesthe frogs and brits do it againthey even gave speeches about crusaders retaking the holy land standing next to those saudiniggers>>106772159>So if you are the kind of shitposter who says pomaks are turksbut that would be.. pomaks
>>106754340Their bitching and moaning makes us butthurt. You forget who won in the end.
>>106772557>>106772468Croatbro is right. "Gott mit uns" is deemed to be a naziphrase here. "In the name of equality, peace and multiculturalism so facism can never happen again, we need to take out those filthy putineers!"something (((she))) would say.>>106772159More Bulgarian pictures for you.
>>106772956If the byzantines were smart enough to cut their horses tendons to male them before running away in boats, how come modern soldiers weren't smart enough to ruin their guns and trucks before running away?Even during the napoleonic wars people would ram a metal spike into the cannons to prevent them from being used by the enemy.
>>106772811>the frogs and brits do it again Sykes-Picot triggers me bigtime>retaking the holy land another document sighned in 1916 made sure this would happen. But for another abrahamic religion :v]>you are the kind of shitposterHow did i make him mad by psoting voctorious bulgarian Trops?
>>106773315>*posting victorious I blame the jews for this, kek is my witness.
>>106773315>Sykes-Picot triggers me bigtimeGoogle "churchill's naughty document".
>>106773162Literally all you would have to do to disable any rifle is take out the firing pin and toss it in the bushessomething that takes about 30 seconds to do
>>106771826To be honest, France and the people wanted only Serbia after WW1. Some of your lands would've been taken though. I imagine that it'd still be better than what happened when the UK made that clusterfuck named Yugoslavia. Maybe we would've come to an agreement later of giving you some lands back.To be honest, nowadays I just want our two peoples to be friends, deny it or not we're relativelly the same genetically. Bosnia will always be a thorn in both of our sides, preferably we'd get RS, Montenegro and Kosovo back. You take your lands. Maybe we'll once again be unified in some project, like the V4, there have been talks with Orban about it, but I don't think that much will happen. But if it does, we mustn't make the mistakes of the past.
>>106773540Glorification of churchill triggers me bigtime.Didn't knew about this document, though, so thank you, mVIII
>>106772737>GERB has surpassed DPS for Turk voters from actual Turkey and is pretty much on par with DPS for Bulgarian turks. Winning pomaks.I said that those same bulgarian-turks vote for DPS,not only DPS. Ofcourse a big portion of them votes for GERB as well. They give the best gibsmedat.>He is not a politician, therefore neither left nor right. He has yet to assert any political positions. All he holds now is the representation of his voters, the first of which were socialists.You can't be 100% sure about this as well. He is american educated bulgarian general who used to be part of BKP.BSP and ABV(meme party) endorsed him and most of the commies voted for him, so telling me that he doesnt have any political positions is silly.Im certain he is socialist,because of his past in BKP and the fact he was endorsed by the socialist party.The other option is that he is an american shill, who got recruited while he was studying in the USA.>Most probable scenario now is a grand coalition.Between who? All the big parties hate eachother. All the small parties are paid controlled opposition by foreign interests.>That law made no difference whatsoever. Voting participation was due to two things and two things alone:Yes it did. I know many people who wouldnt vote if there wasnt this law. Since most of the youngsters dont give a shit about politics, this kinda made them go and vote so that their choise can be "counted" in the future.>protest vote against Borissov and especially against Tzacheva>enthusiasm over RadevThe only reason why Radev won were those 2 points. One think is that I dont get the enthusiasm over Radev. He came from nowhere as nobody, independent candidate and all the sheeple voted for him without even knowing him a tiny bit. And they voted him for a president of the country. Bulgarians are either rly desperate or stupid. Or both.
>>106752852The only wrong thing that we did was loosing to the world.
>>106773540Also: No german version of this. I sure do wonder why.Churchill has the reputation of a god in Germany.
>>106752852Let me see... For being the last bastions of tradition and civilization. Especially Austria and Turkey. Two relics - or, in the newspeak here >>106760046 adopted - two "multicultural hellholes" - strange entities that, despite the post-war Wilsonian rhetoric, persisted for centuries.Pure malevolent.By the way, Italy, I think there are some small countries wanting to leave you.
>>106774033GERB have only themselves to blame for picking a dead cow to represent them.
>>106752852Not evil, just stupid.
>>106774033>who used to be part of BKP.As much as your average lowly soldier was.He has no political ties to the BKP besides it being a mandatory law to be registered in BKP as an officer.>because of his past in BKPHe has no past in the BKP, he was a military man.That's like saying you're part of GERB because you're registered in a town under a GERB mayor. >ABV(meme party) endorsed him ABV just cut their losses after they saw he would win, trying to shill their way back to the BSP.>The other option is that he is an american shill,The world isn't divided into America and Russia, despite what the average Bulgairan believes. You can hold a position that is neither pro-American or pro-Russian. Shocking, I know.>Yes it did. I know many people who wouldnt vote if there wasnt this law.Your anecdotal evidence means very little. The broad analyses that were requested to explain voter turnout clearly point out that the law made about a 1-2% difference at most.>One think is that I dont get the enthusiasm over Radev. He came from nowhere as nobody, independent candidate and all the sheeple voted for him without even knowing him a tiny bit. Because, again unlike the average Bulgarian would have you believe, if you don't vote for the lesser evil, you get the greater one. Between an unknown independent you don't know and Tzacheva with GERB, the choice is very, very clear.
The only shame about WWI is that Mexico never got involved so we could btfo twice over.
>>106774594You could've joined with the Central Powers and taken Canada instead, missed opportunity.
>>106774819Canada? Try the entire Western Hemisphere
>>106774594>MexicoReminder that the last rightful ruler of Mexico was a relative of Austrian Habsburgs. Mexico is our rightful clay. This also includes Texas and California.
>>106774947>Falkland Islands je Serbia!!!Contain yourself.
>>106774278>heavily implying Borissov is that naïveIt's a move for a grand coalition.GERB is bleeding voters and its decisions, plus the ticking timebombs set in the budgets were leading to a clear loss in next regular elections.This victory ensures:>GERB leaves power and solidifies at its current 25%>BSP rises to its hard electorate once again, reaching about 25%, slightly below GERB>no 3rd party can take the vacuum because BSP fill it>Mareshki promoted to fill that little gap people like Barekov used to take, so Slavi can never pull the rug from under Borissov>Borissov makes a gesture to BSP giving them a president>this all coincides with Ninova, who has questionable socialist background taking leadershipAnd when a grand coalition is established GERB has effectively completely destroyed ALL its opposition and taken power with absolute certainty for 5 more years. Not only that, but now they have the significantly more competent and experienced BSP to work with rather than pure retards like Lukarski, Nentchev and co.I only hope I'm giving Borissov too much credit, but we've been underestimating him for ages and see how that's worked out.
>>106775057Calm down, I know it's absurd.The joke is that it's completely true though. Habsburgs absolutely have a claim on Mexico. It's just that in today's climate it's impossible to demand it. Also see: Crimea is Turkish joke
>>106775325The last Habsburg is our tzar, I think, so we should press our claim.Right after we are done taking Crimea, since unlike the turks, we actually did own it when we wuz khanz and shit.The turks were just allied to the Crimean Tatars who lived there at a point.
>>106775057Please explain this meme to me, senpai
>>106775705Basically we tend to claim half the Balkans as ours so they're overexaggerating our lust for clay.
>>106774428>The world isn't divided into America and Russia, despite what the average Bulgairan believes. You can hold a position that is neither pro-American or pro-Russian. Shocking, I know.>military man>studied twice in military institutions in USA.>noooo, he isnt pro american goym!!
>>106775705Serbs will always speak about rightful clay. The truth is (with the exception of Kosovo), their clay isn't really theirs. Wherever out of Serbia more than two Serbs lived at the same time, it automatically generates a claim on that land in Serbia. Also see first Yugoslavia and the reason second one fell apart.
>>106775858>implying that Montenegro and RS aren't oursI agree on Krajina, that land is the land that we were given to live on by the Austrians, and as such is not our historical land.
>>106775833I've studied in Greece, that dosnt mean im pro greeks. Take off your tinfoil hat.
>>106775833>military man>studied twice in military institutions in USA>that man applied for a US visa once>WASHINGTON SHILL>he drinks Russian standard vodka>KREMLIN FAGGOTYou watch too much alfa tv. Or you read too much Dnevnik or whatever.
Reminder that the world would have been a better place if Germany didn't lose.
>>106776253Fun fact: that mod is shitAlso>not playing the Great War mod and winning as Germany yourself
>>106760899>German/HungarianMore like just German.
>>106776021>Montenegro and RSMontenegro is a bit shaky. You can take it, it's not like they hate you. They went their own way only because of foreign shekels anyway.RS is Croatian clay. It's just that you came in and supplanted our people there. It's more trouble than it's worth it so you'll get it. We're not going to bother doing a genocide no matter what fearmongering media say. It's not even that valuable of a land. It's basically yours. All you need to do is not let Bosniaks supplant you and we won't press for the land. We'll fight for a right to some regions like Posavina, though.
>>106776138i dont think thats the case.I just wonder if thats the case.I have no grudge against this guy, its just weird how he popped out of nowhere with such a huge success.Presidential figure in Bulgaria is pretty useless so I don't give many fucks about this situation.What worries me more the fucking resignation of Boyko and the political shitfest that is ahead of us right now. I don't want him re-elected, but I dont want BSP or DPS as well.Also, fuck alfa.tv and ataka. Its a known fact ataka is controlled opposition to make right wingers look bad. For this very reason Siderov and the likes of him must be thrown in jail one day.
>>106775286grand coalition between GERB and who? No big party would be in a coalition with Boyko. He has to resign along with Cvetanov if GERB seek coalition.
>>106776512To be honest, I don't even want RS. All Bosnians, Muslims, Croats and Serbs included are more often than not pieces of shit.Montenegro is our clay though, Đukanović is a traitorous piece of shit. He literally changed the lyrics of the anthem their anthem because the original text mentions Montenegro as a Serbian land and the heroics of the battle of Kosovo are referenced multiple times.
>>106776625He really didn't pop out of nowhere. There's a huge chain of events that leads to his success.>GERB failing on every count>euroatlantic ideology failing>EU looking shaky as fuck>BSP consolidating really well, scoring victories>nationalism rising (always benefits the army)>bullshit in the airforce and the worst retard in our history Nentchev allows Radev to be a shining knight in defense of the Bulgarian army>retarded GERB campaign>strangely intelligent BSP campaignIt's really not "out of nowhere".>What worries me more the fucking resignation of Boyko and the political shitfest that is ahead of us right now. Yes, the incoming shitfest is a step into the unknown. But Boyko was a slow stagnation into death, so I'll fucking take it.>I don't want him re-elected, but I dont want BSP or DPS as well.If you believe in the BSP + DPS meme you're taking the GERB dick hard. Should inform us how Tzvetanov's balls taste like. DPS is a kingmaker, it serves whoever is in power. It served BSP, it was together with GERB this term. All key legislations were passed with DPS votes. DPS votes placed GERB in the positions it wanted. DPS allowing GERB to spread themselves through turks and gypsies gave them the domination at local elections.DPS is not in any way allied to BSP. It is a kingmaker and only that. It attaches itself to the most powerful.That said, when you don't want either GERB or BSP in power, you buckle down, try to calculate their negatives and choose the lesser evil. Voting for Borissov or for the communists might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but it's your duty to your country and your children to make the right choice and go and VOTE for it, despite your personal comfort in doing so.>Also, fuck alfa.tv and ataka. Its a known fact ataka is controlled opposition to make right wingers look bad. For this very reason Siderov and the likes of him must be thrown in jail one day.And yet Karakachanov got 17%. Go figure...
>>106776981Grand coalition with BSP.>No big party would be in a coalition with BoykoAnd pray tell, why not? You get access to power that you would never ever have without the grand coalition. Sure, maybe in 20 years if you are willing to sacrifice for now, but when the fuck have we ever been patient and not greedy?>He has to resign along with Cvetanov if GERB seek coalitionWhy the fuck would he? GERB has no electorate. Their actual electorate is like 100-200k people. All the rest are employed or paid by them and they'll vote as long as they keep their jobs and benefits. If a grand coalition gets them that, so be it.
>>106777300No problem Niemcy.
>>106752852niggers stole our clay
>>106777058So is it fair to say Montenegro is to Serbia like Moldova to Romania?
>>106752852Probably because they were white.
>>106777853Somewhat, even their capital is a commie clusterfuck and well known as the ugliest capital in Europe.They fucked themselves by receding from the union, the Albozerg cancer is slowly spreading from the South.
>>106777314If BSP+GERB happens there will be literally no political opposition to them and I don't know if thats a good thing. As long as people like Barekov don't have a say in our internal politics im fine.
>>106757869I know it must suck not getting out of your ghetto in your entire life. But if you do someday you will see your gypsy brothers are just a tiny % of our demographics.
>>106778527>I don't know if thats a good thingIt's not, GERB by itself having control over practically everything was choking the life out of the country. If they take over the BSP too that's practically death. GERB will also be able to take out huge loans to cover the loans from this term they cannot pay (the sanirane meme).>As long as people like Barekov don't have a say in our internal politics im fine.Lel did you watch the AK video? Fucking pure gold. Must have been some high quality lyutenitza he took before he filmed that.
The world would have been a better place if the central powers had won and the hegemony of the eternal Anglo and his corpulent colonial cousins had been ended.
>>106778789I watched it, so cringe. And yeah he looks pretty high on coke or something. Also he could try to look more "official" infront of the media. Probably he wanted to look more down to earth,but looking like a homeless person won't change the bad perception the nation has of you. I havent met a single person in my life who likes Barekov even remotely.He is a fucking political whore. Takes money from foreign interests to fuck with the Bulgarian politics, thats his job. Volen at least is part of the system and acts like that,because thats his job. Barekov works against the system while acting like he is one of us,but he is not.The fact that he was Cvetan Vasilev's bitch talks about this sore loser.
>>106752852They could have won if you hadn't ditched them, Mario
>>106779075Prussia as a political entity was terminated by the nazis in the 30s.But yeah, you are right. Sorry to trigger your autism.
>>106780777Trips of truth.
>>106778789> If they take over the BSP too that's practically death. Thats what I am affraid of. Too bad thats the only logical outcome. Unfortunately details are still unknown.what other options do we have?Some likeable people from GERB may quit and form a coalition with BSP without boyko and his crew?Or having the same scenario,but we can add + 1 small party made up of younger new people, who can make the parliment more "fresh."If GERB+BSP happens, Boyko will be a literal TZAR.There are so many options,but the result will always be the same, the simple man will be cucked as always.
Also ,we should have a thread about Bulgarian politics.Would be pretty cool desu.Lots of Bulgarians post on /pol/,but I extremely rarely see a /bulpol/ thread.
>>106782094Bulgarian political culture:>whoever is in power is an evil mobster communist>whoever is in opposition is a good honest patriotRepeat every election.Bulgaritards hate power, they are afraid of authority, and feel the need to revert to picking a village chief to tax them pigs and chickens.
>>106782276>whoever is in opposition is a good honest patriotHope u were sarcastic. There are literally no honest patriots in our politics nowadays.Sad!Only closet gays like Siderov and druggies like Barekov who put their nationalist face for easy shekels.
>>106782094Bulgarian politics is a cesspit of either faux european pseudo liberals (repainted gommies) wanting to leech western money while running whatever mafia schemes they are running, and parroting misheard and misunderstood liberal mantras, or outright traitors who want us either completely or at worst partially 'liberated' by our loving brothers from russia.It'll be a fun thread, from a shitposter's perspective.
>>106783426I dont think bulgarian liberals visit /pol/.Most of the posts I have seen here are either from centrists or right-wingers. Its ultra-rare to see some leftist faggot/antifa to spread his cancer here, so I guess we can make a good thread.
>>106781453If GERB splinters it will be between Tzvetanov and Borissov but they hold each other by the balls too much.We have no other scenarios, the only possibility is to hold Ninova to not doing a coalition. If she does, mass protests. That's it.>>106782094There was one election day, most posts were me and "patriots" getting triggered at diaspora.>>106782276Nah, we function very well under a strong authoritarian power. Even if you disregard history, consider 90℅ of current legit, established businesses are a result of Simeon's first strong government. Even Borissov 1 had plus sides just because it was as strong as it was.>>106783315Don't forget Karakachanov who has been a member of DS, SDS (twice), Slavi's first attempt and everything else. Who is shilling on utter bullshit and just trying to further destroy the already trampled nationalist idea. >>106783426Lots of decent people in Bulgarian politics, but it's nigh impossible for a decent leader to grow. Our inherent mistrust and low political culture fuck up any attempts. Anyone who even tries will be fucked by the people, not by other politicians.