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>The Church forbade Christians to be usurers, so the Jews secured the remunerative monopoly of money-lending.

Take a moment and let that sink in. This is how Jews gained power and influence in Europe, the Church GAVE it to them on a silver platter. They FORBADE Christians to rival the Jews in this profession, giving the Jews complete monopoly.

How will Christcucks ever recover?
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>>144408448
good qestion
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>>144408448
Isn't this sort of the same thing with porn? Like they don't have any moral qualms with it while the WASPs do, so they step in to fill the demand. And the field economics gives absolution in some sense? They are creating the demand, they're just providing what people want.
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>>144408448
It goes to show how much more empathatic and altruistic we are. How is that a knockdown to modern day christians?

Use civil discourse rather then ad hominem to refute this, unless you cant, which is just as good
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>>144408448
"Ashkenazi" Jews and Italians share much the same genetics. Rome were slavers, Jews are slavers and the task the Pope lays claim to (the "keys to the kingdom of Heaven" granted to Pete) is already resolved in the bible (Pete handing the keys to all his congregation like one book later). But remember we evil -Germans- are oppressive monsters who hate European freedom and destroyed the "Holy Church" with our Protestantism for no reason oy vey
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>>144408448
She is hot.
You got more?
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>>144409352
meant "aren't creating the demand"

And this is always the argument given when someone brings up the ever declining standards of the media and hollywood and things like rap music. "We're just giving people what they want."

If there's never any collective sense of guilt about the consequences of this sort of thing, can a culture progress/learn/advance? Can a culture without any sense of past misdeed or mistakes ever improve? Have you ever known someone whose entire life history consisted of a string of incidence where other people victimized them and never for any reason? I've known people like that and they seemed doomed to keep being victimized.
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classic case of the white man being too trusting and giving his fellow man the benefit of the doubt

never again, that is for sure.
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>>144408448
I wamt her to throat my banana, if you know what I mean.
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>>144409575
>No-one mentions Germans
>Germans start playing the victim
Oy vey indeed.
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>>144408448
Like I'm going to listen to anything you say when you post with that pic.
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Christians abstained from usury because its evil, jews just used it to their advantage like they've done in every society they entered.
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>>144408448
Here's a twist, the jews wrote the bible and intended kike on a stick worshipers to do this from the beginning.
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>>144409575
That's because ashekenazi have very much euro dna.
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>>144409893
How about you filthy pajeets stop sexualizing every woman you see?
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>>144408448
>christianity was invented by jews to give them mote power
WOW, WHO KNEW, ITS ALMOST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS THEY ARE GOFS CHOSEN AND GENTILES ARE LIKE DOGS???1?
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But money loaning is immoral and the church was right. It's centered on giving people money and knowing they won't be able to pay it back so you can take all their stuff.
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>>144410600
>Being this beta cuck protector.
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>>144408448
I've been looking for this pics sauce for month
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They should have thrown the Jews down the well instead of letting them live as leaches
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>>144410073
I grew up as a white in American with great sense of guilt about things like American slavery, the mistreatment of native americans, the mistreatment of japanese americans in WWII, the folly of the vietnam war. All of these things have a dramatic impact on personality. Personality is can be conceived of as being shaped by or even mostly formed by the narrative we construct about our lives, see for instance Dan McAdams.

But it seems like certain cultures are deprived of this and instead brought up around a cultural narrative of victimization. How can a narrative of past victimization not impact future events?
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>>144410073
Meeting popular demand is a fucking meme. People don't know what they want until you show them. So many trends are just the result of some kike fever dream marketed by their golems.
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>>144408448
>>The Church forbade Christians to be usurers, so the Jews secured the remunerative monopoly of money-lending.
That's American education and never happened in reality.

I really don't know who the fuck invented this bullshit? American education, I guess.
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>>144410767
Poo in loo
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>>144410844
Sounds like you were a victim. Feeling guilty for something you didn't take any part in is fucking retarded.
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>>144409893
Want to see her bob and vagine?
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>>144408448
>Be Jews in Rome
>Scheme up the downfall of Rome using a religion
>Proceed to get kicked out of everywhere for the same reason for the next 2000 years
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The Jews were money changers, not lenders. Know the difference
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>>144408448
>redditfaggot posting his newly learned history factoid
lmao
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>>144411146
Yes with open chest
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>>144411629
Did someone say "open chest"???
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>>144408448
It was never allowed to take interest tho. Read Aquin.
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>>144412032
its pretty incredible how whatever happened only took out the front of his chest and nothing inside
hard to figure if its lucky or not; but incredible nonetheless
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>>144412622
It was done by a human tho
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>>144408448
>Jews are reviled for being greedy moneylenders
>the Church was wrong in forbidding its members from going down the same dark path
The Church did nothing wrong
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>>144408448
Catholics aren't Christians.
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>>144411402
They were ripping the people off which is why the Christ drove them out of his Father's house. It's a hint to His people to do the same today.

Hitler tried to do it; which is why the "democratic" nations of the world ganged up on him.
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They're just mad they forced the Jews to do a job which is insanely profitable
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>>144413163
More than likely, the Churchmen who did it were well rewarded for their moral rectitude.
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>>144410244
>Butthurt that I beat him to it
Face it, had I posted it without that mention we'd have trash like you doing that "Destroyer of Europe" bullshit simply because of my flag. Your game is ending, Yizhakandro.

>>144410537
No, seriously, look into it: https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/29/southern-italians-and-ashkenazi-jews-what-is-the-connection/

The Catholic Church is a Semitic empowerment scam, basically designed to keep the peoples freed from Rome in bondage. It started with Augustus letting them pay tax to their temple and ended with all that false-flag kvetching about "Christianity" ruining that Empire.
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>>144408448
The Jews were imported into Europe by pagan Rome. It was pagan Rome that first banned usury and imported Jews to run their banks. And Christians who spent the next 1,700 years trying to kick them out. Usury was banned in pagan Rome and Christian Rome because it turns societies into debt slaves.

>Among the Ancient Western philosophers who condemned usury can be named Plato, Aristotle, the two Catos, Cicero, Seneca and Plutarch (Birnie, 1958). Evidence that these sentiments found their concurrent manifestation in the civil law of that period can be seen, for example, from the Lex Genucia reforms in Republican Rome (340 BC) which outlawed interest altogether.
http://www.alastairmcintosh.com/articles/1998_usury.htm
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>>144410476
>abstained from usury because its evil
What is wrong with charging interest on money lent?
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>>144408448
>Among the Ancient Western philosophers who condemned usury can be named Plato, Aristotle, the two Catos, Cicero, Seneca and Plutarch
Banning usury has been Western tradition since its foundation. If you are in favour of usury, maybe it's YOU who are the Jew.
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>>144409575
Depends on whether you are letting loudmouthed extremism ratfaces define America, or not.

>>144402767 →#
That girl is a gentile with a little (octaroon jew) semite tribal blood.

See>>144402862 →#for a look at actual inbred caucasians, the purest (inbred) caucasians seem to be from Sardinia, an island know for its defective, retarded, nepotistic, inbred supremacist residents and culture... Italys original indigenous population was the gentile Sabines before Turkblooded, ratfaced, "caucasians" came and raped everyone. Ratfaces are know by many names: AshkeNazis (kikes), bolsheviks, vichy, Saudi... the list goes on, they infiltrate royalty and rape the commoners time and time again. They were known in ancient times as the hideous wendigo that lived in the caucus mountain range, khazars, pharisees, and more recently as ha ole (hawaiian for breathless/speaks without breath), or the dragon of eastern Europe that Saint George slays.

Kikes are not semites, gentiles or persians. Kikes demoralize, destroy and rob all other ethnicities whenever they think it will go unnoticed or unpunished, keep turning the other the cheek good goy.Their half breed cryptos serve them in their borg assimilation of all other ethnicities.
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>>144413766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6VGCB8f_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IJeemTQ7Vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsqGR31zoVA
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>>144413427
Also from Norway 1814. Was in the constitution, (((of course))) it has been repealed since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_clause
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>>144413954
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of (((central banking))), or fractional reserve banking. I'm challenging the fundamental assertion that the concept of interest is evil. This would mean that
a) all investment is evil
b) a man has no right to demand some form of compensation for assuming the risk of never seeing his money again, and for assuming an opportunity cost of not having that money available for the duration of the loan

Both of these points seem unreasonable.
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>>144408448
Christianity is a hopeless cucked religion, and Christcucks are braindead.
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See
>>144410399#
How many wars did you lose to us, Kraut?


>>144412209#
Every war the kikes roped us both into throwing away our gentile youths on.
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>>144413793

You're fucking retarded and this is why nobody in the mainstream will ever take retarded natsocs seriously.

Interest is an absolute necessity in modern economies. This is literally econ 101, there is no reason to lend money for loans to start up new businesses if there is not an incentive for the lender to do so. Someone would rather have £100 now than £100 in 2 years. This is called the time value of money and has been shown to exist empirically. You need interest to compel lenders to provide loans to others. Without this, no lending, and thus no growth in the economy.

This is literally the first thing you learn in econ, and yet natsocs are so blitheringly stupid, so fucking subhuman, so immune to all common sense, so unbelievably retarded that they cannot grasp this simple, blindingly obvious fact.

Honestly blows my mind how stupid natsocs are. The OP is right, the reason jews are so powerful is because the fucking retarded christcucks gave them that power on a silver platter. Christcucks are outrageously dumb. Paganism is the only answer.
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>>144408448
> Christians believe usury is wrong, so they get Jews to lend money for them.
> Jews don't want to make fire or turn on lights on the Sabbath, so they get a goy to turn on lights for them.
There's no difference between Jews and Christians. People group themselves together and use outsiders to accomplish things that they want but are unwilling to do themselves.
Also, the Church invented "interest" (from Latin "interesse," to be of importance to someone) to replace "usury." Same concept but a different word, because Christians can get around the spirit of the law by embracing the letter of the law just as deviously as Jews.
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>>144413936
What does the church have to do with defining America?
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>>144408448
>Nazi

Poland is the only bastion of Jesus in Europe and you wanted us dead. Nazis are demonic horders. We say no to you all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4955750/Polish-Catholics-form-border-prayer-chain-world-peace.html
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>>144408448
Usury is also prohibited by the Law of Moses. Exodus 22:25, Deuteronomy 23:19-20, Leviticus 25:36

It's also excoriated several other times throughout the Old Testament.
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>>144408448
Not only that, but Jewish merchants were allowed to circumvent the rules governing trade that were set by the guilds. Jews were basically operating in a free market without any regulations, while goyim were subject to many different regulations, price controls, inability to advertise, etc. Christianity was a Jewish con. So Jews could always undercut goyim prices and kill their livelihood (part of the reason they were so hated).
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>>144414322
There's no moral imperative, certainly not from Christianity. It's more about where you draw the line. Borrowing has enabled us to make a lot of developmental progress in a short period of time. However, correlation does not necessarily equal causation. Nazi Germany made a lot of progress in a short period of time too without making unsustainable borrowing. Even the USSR did. If you care about the future of Western civilisation, it would be preferable to make progress by increasing productivity and living within our means, as they did in the Renaissance and Enlightenment, arguably the height of Western culture that saw the birth of modern science and industry without large scale borrowing, rather than creating an unsustainable debt/immigration ponzi scheme that will inevitably suffer a catastrophic global collapse.
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>>144414914
>Interest is an absolute necessity in modern economies
Yes, because our societies have been restructured into debt/immigration ponzi schemes, not out of actual necessity. Investors raised money by stocks and shares when our empires were first created, not by borrowing at interest. America survived just fine for 150 years before the Federal Reserve scam was imposed on them. It seems like an attractive option at the time, because you can create a lot of apparently free money out of thin air, but it is not at all necessary and has catastrophic consequences (debt slavery), even if it somehow is propped up perpetually (mass immigration).
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>>144415095
>living within our means, as they did in the Renaissance
Someone hasn't heard of Phillip II of Spain and his four sovereign debt crises.
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>>144408448
back then it was the church, now its the government with the centralbranks. same shit different toilette. also i believe in christ but its painfully obvious the church is subverted by the synagogue of satan and shouldbe crushed
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>>144410476

Another thick as pig shit yank subhuman.

You dumb fuck it's not evil, there is zero reason to lend money for credit (which is what enables economic growth) unless you provide interest. No interest, no lending from savers, no loans and thus no growth in the economy. Before the industrial revolution most of the economy was cottage industry and didn't require large capital investments and thus money lending and banking wasn't essential. After the Reinassance and the industrial revolution banking became absolutely essential to the economy and economic growth and you needed massive lending to start up businesses and industry. This required people to lend money. You need to give people an incentive to lend money you dumb yank, people don't give money out for no reason. You dumb Christians gave the kikes their power.

I used to think the dumb americans thing was a meme, maybe it is, but these natsoc hicks who failed school and get their education from /pol/tards sure fit the bill. Here's a piece of advice Cletus, you gaptoothed fucking redneck, how about you read a book for advice on how the economy works than getting it from these basement dwelling shit smelling subhumans on the internet?
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>>144408448
Poorly done disinfo.
Kill yourself Vargcuck.
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>>144414914
>Interest is an absolute necessity in modern economies.
No it isn't.

>there is no reason to lend money for loans to start up new businesses if there is not an incentive for the lender to do so
Banks do not lend from deposits. They create the money that they lend out.

>You need interest to compel lenders to provide loans to others. Without this, no lending, and thus no growth in the economy.
No you don't. Just have the state lend directly at 0% interest and make private banking illegal. Problem solved.

>This is literally the first thing you learn in econ
Economics in not science. It is propaganda designed to support the neoliberal system.
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>>144408448
proof?
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>>144415078
So your saying the jews wern't following their god. Is that why bad things always happen to them?
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>>144410640
Chosen in that they were the vehicle for God to display His glory and salvation. He states several times in the that He would not limit Himself to just the Hebrews. Abraham was a gentile, after all, well before God set him apart.
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>>144414914
>"We could not sell money at profit without interest, but we can print enough money for a system based on paying people for money that otherwise wouldn't be there to exist in the first place. This means interest is vital."
You literally just need ink and paper. The day Americans figure out how to draw numbers your fiat currency bullshit burns with you.
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>>144415634
>there is zero reason to lend money for credit (which is what enables economic growth) unless you provide interest
The reason is right there, dumbass. To enable economic growth. That is why it is the state's duty to create currency by lending it at no interest. You just need to cut out the middle man, which is the Federal reserve and private banking system.
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>>144415893
In essence, yes. The Jews stopped following the law when the Temple was destroyed in 70AD, I believe, since it was impossible for them to do so. They also lack a Levite Priesthood, which the Law requires. Rabbinic Judaism is a concoction made in the 200'sAD.

Jesus, Himself, said there is a Synagogue of Satan that consists of people who call themselves Jews, but are not.
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>>144415866
>Just have the state lend directly at 0% interest
Where does that money come from?
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>>144415634
>there is zero reason to lend money for credit (which is what enables economic growth) unless you provide interest.
What is equity? Debt and equity are both forms of allocating capital towards potential future growth, but equity involves profit-sharing and risk-sharing in proportion to the success or failure of the enterprise. Debt restructures the risk as a possibility of default compensated for by a risk premium that doubles as compensation for time-value of money, but both forms of capital allocation can help grow the economy through providing capital for business. Of the two, equity does not require usury.
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>>144415634
>how about you read a book
Yes goyim, read these lolbertarian books published by the Rockefeller-funded (((Mises institute))). That will teach you all you need to know about troo (((economics))).
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>>144416183
The state creates it, as it does now.
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>>144415508

Your understanding of economics and history is shocking. I want you to understand that I'm restraining myself from insulting you, but this is what I mean when I say that people need to actually start reading history instead of getting their education from pol.

Yes investors raised money from equity but banking and debt existed long before the start of the British empire. It has existed for millenia but really got going in Florence, then Amsterdam became the global centre and after the glorious revolution of 1689 the balance of power of banking shifted to London. Lending money at interest was a feature of European societies for a long time and it was the fault of Christian to give the power to lend money to the Jews (Although large banking syndicates just ignored this after banking became popular in Europe).

You do realize that central banks have existed in the US before the Fed? National banks and The Bank of North America and 1st and 2nd Bank of the United States existed long before the Fed. Secondly "creating free money out of thin air"... that's what all central banks do lol. You do realize that the gold standard means that your sovereignty to set interest rates disappears? That your money supply is controlled by gold producing countries like South Africa and Australia? Secondly, it's that which causes real debt slavery via debt deflation.

You can disagree with me but there is a whole field of study about this, you may have heard of it, it's called economics. There are disagreements in economics and about monetary economics but it's important to actually understand the basics of the field. You can't get your understanding of the Fed and Monetary Policy solely from conspiracy sites, /pol/ and VNN.
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>>144416517
Ultimately, money is created by the willingness of the marketplace to accept it in exchange for goods and services. If money is created in too great a supply, it will lose value, regardless of what the bank or state might say it's worth. Cf. Venezuela. Thus the market provides the limit of the state's ability to create money.
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>>144416574
Why should the state allow private lenders to profit from currency that they create? Why allow the private middle man when the state can do it directly? It is essentially theft from the public.
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>>144409575
Yeah, you guys destroyed Rome. And then nationalism.

Fuck off. You have no right to anything. Aren't you supposed to watch Muhammad fucking your momma right now, anyway? Hurry up, Hans! Muhammad doesn't have all the time in the world! He still has to fuck Fritz and Joseph in a couple of hours, remember?
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>>144416574
Btfo
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>>144409893
What is wrong with Indians?
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>>144416746
Yes, which is why the state must have the power to control the money supply, using tools of lending, taxation, and so on. Today they do this through a private intermediary which extracts huge profits, when it could be done without the private banking system much more efficiently and without giving undue power to these private entities.
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>>144408448
yeah, the establishment elite has chosen the jew for his role and brainwashed and socially manipulated him for this position. so that whenever people wake up to the power structure and demand change they go after the jews instead of seeking those who control even the jews.

classic strategy, they're hiding behind a scapegoat race of their own creation. works perfectly
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>>144408448
The church had persecuted "Jews" in the past. They forbade Christians to be usurers because it is not a Christian thing to do. It doesn't mean they approved of the "Jews" doing it. The church wanted Christians to stay away from these "Jews".


"Behold, I will make those of the assembly of Satan who claim to be Jews and are not, but are lying, behold I will make them come and fall prostrate at your feet, and they will realize that I love you."

- Revelation 3:9 NABRE (New American Bible Revised Edition)'
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>>144412032
what the fuck, that's crazy
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>>144410495
That's as retarded as saying (((they))) created Islam. No one creates a group to kill themselves. When the U.S. ZOG created ISIS, it was a different story, because they could push for strict anti-terrorism laws AND secure the Middle East for Israel.
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>>144416517
So you rail against kike-led usury, but in the same breath you advocate fiat currency?
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>>144417090
It doesn't follow from the marketplace's control over the value of currency that the state must necessarily have power over the money supply at all. Giving the state a role in money supply is a custom among some nations, but not all: Ecuador, for example, has no control over its money supply since it uses the US dollar. A true lolbertarian could give you arguments in favor of privatizing currencies completely (and, I'm sure that most of /biz/ would be happy to make arguments in favor of using various cryptocurrencies over which no state has control).
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>>144417228
>The church had persecuted "Jews" in the past
False. This is Jewish persecution narrative, and is not historical. The church never persecuted Jews. They protected Jews. See Sicut Judaeis. Only individuals persecuted Jews, but the church would step in to prevent it when possible.

Jews have a vested interest in portraying their history as being eternal victims. You, being a good goyim christcuck, bought that false narrative.
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>>144411081
Look who is talking......Mr. Shart in the Mart.
Fucking Cleetus go clean up in the shart aisle.
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>>144408448
usury is bad for the soul, it's pure greed
you think jews are bad for any other reason than greed? it has corrupted their entire culture
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>>144417421
>So you rail against kike-led usury, but in the same breath you advocate fiat currency?
Yes, because I support national sovereignty. Controlling currency is necessary for that.
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>>144416183
From people who deposit their money at the government bank instead of private banks.
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>>144414322
interest is evil because greed is evil
your flag just signals you're ok with greed, so you will never understand this
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>>144416574
>>144416962
I was talking about Britain. YOU are the one who knows nothing about our history or economics. Our empire was founded 100 years before the Bank of England was. Pericles built the Acropolis without resorting to usury. The Roman Republic founded its empire when there was a TOTAL ban on usury. Yes people borrowed money, but it wasn't the basis of the economy. It. Is. Not. NECESSARY. Not till Cromwell imported the Jews from Amsterdam. Even then, usury laws weren't repealed till 1854, long after the Industrial Revolution and the British Empire was consolidated. Where is our empire now since the Jews restructured our economy and stopped financing it? Where is American industry since they set up the Federal Reserve? The French Revolution didn't happen because of historical materialism either. It happened because the monarchy got tricked into debt, the Jews pulled the plug, and their only other source of income was taxing peasants, since the aristocracy was tax-exempt. Of course, the Jews supported Napoleon because he promised to emancipate them, so that's where all the funding went. The whole thing could have been avoided if debt had been avoided. But unwitting brainwashed shills like you will continue trying to drag down Western civilisation to your gutter level.
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fuck off kike. The Catholic church was infiltrated by your kind

The the second vatican council made every pope (including the one who organized it) a heretic. They changed the Catholic Tridentine Mass into 'novus ordo missae' at the council. They infiltrated jewish degeneracy in the Catholic church (pic related). See examples like the lesbian church in Sweden.

Google sedevacantism.

Pius XII was the last TRUE pope. Every pope after him was Mason and including this one a Jesuit.
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>>144408448

It's not true.

It's another Jew lie.

Ancient Greeks and pre-Christian Romans complain about Jewish debt slavers/predators.

Jews themselves brag about supposedly "Jewish" names of bankers in Babylon.
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'Pope' John XXIII usurped the place of Cardinal Siri.

Read this two articles that prove it.

http://www.theimmaculateheart.com/gregoryXVII.htm

http://www.opusdeialert.com/roncaliamason.htm
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I wonder where all this jazz about bishops, cardinals etc. come out being pedos? pic related. The Devil has entered Vatican, kikes are raping little kids.
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>>144410890
This.
It's the reason why a lot of things/products/memes fail in the first place and then they're brought back out a few years later and goys jump on them. This isn't because there was no (((market))) for it originally, it's just that the goys had their attention on something else.
Goys will always do what the crowd are doing and they'll always want what the other goy has, purely so they don't get excluded from the group.
There used to be a time when psychology was exactly that and wasn't (((psychology))). When it was still psychology we found out many interesting things about how people think and, in a lot of cases, weren't that different to other animals. You can't let the goys know that though, not that it would make a difference because goys are goys, but (((they))) are much too paranoid and always side with "but what if". Just imagine if the goys realised that every time they heard the bell and started salivating without even thinking about it, and that they weren't doing it out of choice. That's what (((they))) panic about, but (((they))) should already know there wouldn't be a rebellion, simply because they're goys and they aren't being told to.
(((Popular demand))) is literally Pavlovian Conditioning. I never once heard anyone, child nor adult, complain about how there should be more poorly written wizard books on the (((market))), but along comes Harry Potter and every cunt suddenly always dreamed of being Merlin.
Where the (((popular))) lead the goys follow because people think humans are lot more intelligent than they are. Yes, as far as problem solving goes that much is obvious, but humans are still like any other animal. Easy to train once you know how and, more often than not, reluctant to bite the hand that feeds.
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>>144414322
No, investment (i.e. Lending) is letting some one borrow money with the agreement that if the venture for which the loan was taken is successful, the lender shares in the profits and IF the venture is unsuccessful the lender shares in the loss. Usury is lending with the agreement that EVEN IF the venture is unsuccessful the lender profits at the expense of the borrower who is already in a position of destitution (presumably). With usury then there need not be a venture, but collateral may be required in order to ensure that the lender reaps the reward. Otherwise, there is a blackmail network in place (credit agency, debtors prison etc) which serves to ruin the borrower should he not pay the loan back WITH interest, no cases excepted or considered. This is in place which in no way directly benefits the lender except for making an example out of the person and effectively establishing a parallel government.
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>>144412032
inside all of us working away as we speak

wow
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>>144419525
Druids > Merlin > Jesus > Faust > Prospero > Gandalf

Wizards have always been a core meme of British culture.
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>>144415634
>there is zero reason to lend money for credit unless you provide interest

Or maybe the reason could be that you actually care about the prosperity of your society and the well being of your future generations. But since the jews have no homeland they dont care about this at all.

Yes, goyim! We need the jews and their high interest loans for (((economic growth)))
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>>144420497
Henry VIII fucking loved King Arthur memes

Was King Aurthurr even real.... you have to wonder I guess thats why its called thr Dark ages
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>>144408448
The jew is small in number and made up money is their only power.
Stop taking loans
Stop using visa
Stop taking mortgages
Don't finance your car
If you can't afford it, don't buy it.
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>>144412032
Does it hurt?
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>>144408448
I am 100% sure that pic is from my high school LMAO. they even had a facebook page about eating bananas.
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>>144408448
>bible says don't sin
>(((Jews))) go ahead & sin & become master of it
>LUL STUPID CHRISTKUCKS LET DA JUWS TAKE OVER
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>>144418051
Controlling currency is a way to fuck up your sovereignty by tanking your economy. What about the third way, letting nobody control the currency by way of using a system of competing, 100% reserve gold backed-currencies redeemable in specie? This way, the only laws the government needs to enforce are existing laws against fraud, and no unscrupulous people on either the private business or government side can fuck with the money supply aside from pic related.

>>144418092
Where do they get their money from?

>>144419788
What kind of share of the profits can there be in the case of a house or automobile purchase? A loan for private education? Usury allows demand in this sector to be satisfied. As well, lenders have always been subject to the risk of loss, whether they be investors or usurers. Debtor's prisons were a state-run thing, not something that arose out of the private market. That firms are not liable to their investors in the case of losses is a matter of societal practice. Long ago, they were, especially if those investments were bound by a contract stating as much. Such is also the case today with private lenders; the concept of bankruptcy exists today, while debtor's prisons do not. I don't think it's likely that a modern attempt to revive debtor's prisons would go over too well.

Furthermore, there is (or at least, ought to be) nothing forcing either the borrower or the lender to interact with each other. The contract is mutually voluntary. Any debtor agreeing to the terms of the loan cannot complain when held to those same terms.

And finally, absent the cancer that is fractional reserve banking, the amount of usury-based lending would likely drop relative to normal investment, as fewer people would be willing to borrow at the higher interest rates associated with it (and as a consequence, the prices of goods and services purchased as a result of this lending would decrease as well).

tl;dr
Usury is not inherently wrong.
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>>144412032
Super curious to know if he survived.
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>>144424188
>pic related
fucking nigger shit
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>1 post by this ID
Cool.
They said that usury was bad, not that all banking was.
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>>144411081
SHART IN MART
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>>144415068
>what does the church hav to do with defining America?
america is by far less cucked(depending on perspective) with regards to christianity than, for say, england has become...
>Muh 1st amendment
>Muh no official state religion
>Muh "where do you go to church anon?"
We're not a bunch of degenerate atheists like you lot in poorope have become.
>normies still have public prayers
>normies still swear on a bible(even though jesus says not to make oaths, in the bible)
>normies still speak openly about christian beliefs...

>tfw I'm not even a completely un-ironic christian myself.
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>>144408448
>do not usurp fellow believers
>implying this jew law wasn't introduced into western civilization by jews to begin with
come on man...
>hey king goy here's some shekels for your war with Lower Saxony, now let (((us))) de-shekel your people
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>>144414914
>Interest is an absolute necessity in jewish economies
>This is literally jewish theory 101
wow, this is the kind of retardation that you really don't want to catch

>knows about the jewish problem
>has to have his own special brand of resistance to match his special and unique personality
>causes infighting because of his inability to reason
>is british....of course

>This is called the time value of money
>this fucking retard hasn't even read any of the arguments....which have been sitting around for 2000 years or more
>econ 101
this is a good reminder as to why we need to enforce corporal punishment on people who can't manage their brainwashing. Reason alone simply does not work, you have to deal with them like animals.

>This is called the time value of money
Sometimes you would rather have a thing than cash lying around...this is called PURCHASING.
>there is not an incentive
yes there is, people invest in their own people, in businesses that supply their own businesses, so the community is helped and the lender is helped also. Only the jews want to "double-dip" because they don't care about the borrower or the community (in fact they want to bleed them dry to the point of death) and are only in town to steal as much as they can and then leave before some one executes them.

I could go on but, you know...read a fucking book
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>>144424188
>house
Appreciation in value. This one is obvious
>car
None. Unless classic car or something. market/society would simply adapt to not everyone owning a car
>education
Future wages and other ventures made possible by education. The student would need to prove their potential somehow instead of being automatically approved without knowing what they are getting into. Schools would not be able to charge more and more every year simply because govt ensures that taxpayer will pay private lenders if students can't.
>debtors prisons
lobbies and revolving doors influence the government to make decisions on the behalf of private orgs. This is especially true when the bankers are usuring the government. Do you not know that prisons today are corporately owned? Today you may not go to jail for debt, but you can for possessing the wrong type of plant (while poor). For tanking the economy, you can't.
>voluntary
When is the last time you heard of somebody reading and understanding a modern contract? I bet you read EULAs in their entirety. Oh, and they change them whenever they like.

Tldr;
Not all demands need to be satisfied. Demand fulfillment does not equate to utility.
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>>144428013
>Not all demands need to be satisfied
a simple refutation of the anarchist/"libertarian" insanity
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>>144421563
the prices of everything are inflated so you can't really get by as well

>starve yourself it's better than the jews winning
or we could just kill jews
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>>144424188
>What kind of share of the profits can there be in the case of a house or automobile purchase? A loan for private education?
If there were no such things as mortgages or credit, then house prices and cars would be affordable. Education could simply be free, rather than a market for meme degrees and marxist indoctrination. Our grandparents never bought anything unless they had saved up for it and debt was socially unacceptable. You are talking about satisfaction of greed, not demand. Stop falling for jew memes.
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>>144415075
>believing jewish propaganda
>not taking responsibility for your country being taken over by leftists
>not thanking Hitler for removing your problem

slavs are really simple minded
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>>144416935
>Brazil
Projecting from your Jesuit experience is one thing, but you trying to mouth off to me about mongrelisation is just laughable.
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>>144424893
Okay, I admit I apparently misread your first post, nevermind. Take care with everything, you seem to have a good thing going there.
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>>144428013
>Appreciation in value
Only when that house is bought for the purpose of reselling. A house for residing in is not a business venture.
>market/society would simply adapt to not everyone owning a car
Not everyone owns a car now. What's the problem?
> simply because govt ensures that taxpayer will pay private lenders if students can't
Sounds like a problem with the government, rather than with the concept of lending.
>debtor's prisons
See above
>EULA
are not loan contracts. If you borrow thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of dollars without reading the fucking terms of the contract, you deserve everything you get.

>Demand fulfillment does not equate to utility
It literally does. Utility is not something that can be calculated by an outside observer. It is subjective to every single economic actor.

>>144428461
I already mentioned this at the end of the post. The method to achieve a reduction of traditional loans is to eliminate fractional reserve fraud, not by forbidding people to issue loans with money they possess.

>Education could simply be free
Nothing is free you mongoloid. Education doesn't just spring out of the ground, or fall from the sky. Someone has to work for it, and someone always has to pay.

Living within your means is the correct way of going about things. Forbidding people to lend their own money, on pain of violence or death, is not.
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>>144412032
He is gonna be ok right?
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>>144412032
where are his ribs?
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>>144409486
>we are empathetic and altruistic
Is that why you let the kikes in, in the first place?
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>>144415075
Why did catholic poles hide Jews away?
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>>144408448
Daily reminder that all these anti-christian thread posters are just butthurt LARPagans who are mad because they have been practically expelled from 4chan.

pic related pagans are degenerate butt sex lovers.
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C R E D I T
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>>144408448
they were merchants before the christian church even existed sage
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>>144429551
> demand fulfillment literally equates to utility
Oh better write the philosophy community to claim your Nobel peace prize for finally solving the problem of utility. Turns out it is just unfettered materialism. Your Jew is showing.
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>>144408448
that looks 100% like my ex

I actually thought it was her until somebody pointed out that's not in America

holy shit i love women
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>>144433632
You completely missed the point of this thread, retard. The point is that Christianity is a Jewish scheme which has crippled Europe and delivered it into the hands of the Jews.
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>>144408448
Jews should not have been usurers either.
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>>144414647
I though Amercans were mostly German.
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>>144412032
did he died?
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>>144408448
Usury is parasitism.
It should be banned outright.
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>>144412032
I love how you have this shit primed and ready for whenever someone says "open chest" in a thread.
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>>144408448
future pornstar
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>>144408448
Daily reminder Christians pioneered the anti-usury banking system not Muslims BUT they were basically genocided for it and were never brave enough to try it again.
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Rome united the white people of europe.
Jews didn't like this.
A group of jewish SJWs created christianity to take down rome.
Rome falls as people convert to christianity which instructs whites to be passive little good goys.
Leaves economics open tonjewish take over.
Leaves europe open to islamic invasion.
Dark ages.
White renaissance.
Whites on top of the world after rebuilding.
Everytime whites are in a position to be on tope of the world again jews use their position to cause a white on white war, destroy the white economy or cause mass immigration by non whites into white country.

Christianity has always been a jewish tool to hold back and control white people.




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