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The law perverted! The law — and, in its wake, all the collective forces of the nation — the law, I say, not only diverted from its proper direction, but made to pursue one entirely contrary!

his is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote self-ownership, individual liberty and the natural order. These include (but are not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.

THREAD RESOURCES:
>Pastebin: pastebin.com/iT0Rw8PT
>Discord & Book Club: AbGmGWH

RECOMMENDED MATERIAL:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o (Watch this!)
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org/library/anatomy-state
>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org/library/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

FURTHER READING:
>Reference - See i.imgur.com/wCIpgNA.jpg
>Torrent - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d8ec6ef882dee291f119eb69994797574e5d616&dn=Anarcho-Capitalism%20Books

THREAD TUNEs:
>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=LP41IK91_qA
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM
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Tfw two threads
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>>144440306
I don't see one in the catalog
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>>144440411
Then it must've died.
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As long as no one is bumping this shit im gonna plug my youtube channel. I'll be uploading all the good radical agenda bits there!
>In Defense of Capitalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uiJGDShHJg
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>Individualism and Group Interests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5eQ5tEoRk
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Any Hoppe experts here? I’m reading “The Private Production of Defense,” and to me it seems like he generally emphasizes voluntarism and self-determination inside private property borders, but yet, he does approve expulsion of people from the neighborhood come the neighbors see it as desirable. What is the relationship between the private and the public here?
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>The Truth About Libertarianism | Immigration and Borders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtvmgfI2zyM
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>>144444072
From what I know, he's not really advocating for mob rule by helicopter, he's just arguing that a society which holds private property rights as the summum bonum is more likely to discriminate against and thus expel any undesirable tenants/renters/etc.
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>>144444072
Im not sure exactly what your question is, there is no public property in Hoppean theory.
Anarcho-Capitalism is a system where all property Is privatized. People can agree to share their property in such a way that it would be open to the "public" but someone still owns the property.

If i misunderstood your question please clarify.
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just checking >>144444444
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>>144444731
>is more likely to discriminate against and thus expel any undesirable tenants/renters/etc.
>tenants/renters/etc.

So you couldn't drive a landowner out - even if he was a known menace to the rest of the community - because he owns his property? To me it sounds like he would approve such procedures:
>On the other hand, for the owners and residents in “bad” loca-
tions and neighborhoods (who experience emigration rather
than immigration), forced integration means that they are pre-
vented from effective self-protection. Rather than being
allowed to rid themselves of crime through the expulsion of
known criminals from their neighborhood, they are forced by their government to live in permanent association with their
aggressors.17
What I gather from this is that the neighborhood can in certain cases take the law into own hands, unhouse someone antisocial. Hope I'm not coming across to confusing.
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>>144446577
*into their
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So why does /lrg/ never expresses opposition to war? That was one of the main themes in Rothbard's writing but somehow I never see /pol/ "libertarians" talk about it.
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>>144446973

I wouldnt say never. /pol/ as a whole has always been against interventionism. Other than conservative culture it was the one of the few things that the libertarians and stormfags of old /pol/ agreed on.
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>>144447233

Do you remember during the Ron Paul campaign, he pretty much talked about foreign policy and the Federal Reserve 90% of the time. Whenever he was asked about something other than those two issues, he often segued back into foreign policy and the Fed somehow.
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>>144447595

yep and considering he was the only one addressing those points Id say he was pretty successful. We definetly should keep pushing the issue.
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>>144446973
None of our enemies extol the wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan, so it's rarely brought up. I don't think any of us would defend expansionary war, though.
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>>144446577
It's not so much that people would seize an undesirable's property and kick'em out, it's more that they would just refuse to do business with him and effectively drive him out of town.

I imagine such a situation would never arise in the first place, as white neighborhoods wouldn't sell houses to blacks, and vice versa.
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>>144448894
Oh, right. And I guess, now when I actually apply his argumentation ethics to this, it would be seen as permissible, for example, to vandalize property of someone who has vandalized his neighbors' property.
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>>144439990
What is the future of Libertarianism or actual Conservatism in Britain, OP?
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2nd amendement is vital
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>>144439990
Name your ideal tax system.
>Federal government only gets taxes through tariffs
>State governments only get taxes through sales tax
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>>144449904
Pretty fucking bleak looking at Labour's gains
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>>144449904
Bleak.

For an actual answer, I can't pinpoint much. We have an overton window constantly shifting leftward ho, government constantly getting bigger. Not as if the tories are libertarians.

>>144451527
Regressive tax system - tax the poor more than the rich, to get them to overthrow government.
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>property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.

False flag operation, co-opting of libertarianism to provide the alt-shite desperately needed legitimacy.

Abandon thread immediately.
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How much of this do you reckon is explained by the dissolution of Bretton Woods?
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>>144452236
Explain to me how support for private property rights is "co-opting" libertarianism.
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Wheres the discord invite
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>>144439990
Hey boys, good to see this general on the homepage again, its been too long. Pleased to see your presence on here regardless though, I couldn't count how many gun control shills have been BTFO over the past few days.

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>>144451746
Do they have an equivelant 'Libertarian' party over in Brittain? It was my understanding that standing for anything that isn't Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May makes you an "anarchist".




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