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The Leftist claimed Social Justice Wars and Game of the Toilet Seat...

Is J. R. R. Tolkien's masterpieces (Lord of the Rings, Hobbit, Silmarillion) the only fantasy universe left for us?

Just google: Lord of the rings problematic
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>>145121730
I just started rereading it. Only 100 pages in as of a few minutes ago but it’s still so good. No other book has ever made me feel as comfy as LotR and I’ve read a lot and generally hate fantasy.
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>>145121730
No. It's an eco-terrorist wet-dream. Literally Green Party propaganda. Sauron=industrial strength.
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>>145121730
oh don't worry, they'll remake LOTR with every hobbit, wizard, and warrior turned into a flaming queer pan-gendered nigger

Check your elf privilege
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>>145121730
I will post Lotr themed, rare picures.
If the mods don't mind.
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>>145121828
Agree
>>145121832
why do you assume that all people who care about the environment are leftist cucks?
I'm a vegitarian for 3 years and i still voted AFD.
>>145121860
trany aragorn and a muslim frodo?
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Just find me a single scene in GoT or Star Shit that come close to that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHjt9Q00sp4&t=132s&ab_channel=BixBox
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>>145121730
Read Malazan book of the fallen. IMO its much better than Tolkien's works.
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Lord of the Rings is the best movie trilogy in the last 20 years.
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>>145122275
if its much better then why havent i heard of it pleb
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>>145122275
>it gets good as soon as you get past the first book
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I'm still absolutely amazing the movie trilogy wasn't "diverse."
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>>145122228
I am still disappointed that the ghost busters army seemed to do all the job in that final battle. Feels like they were using cheatcodes and it wasn't really a human victory
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>>145122067
The LOTR story is about the success of multiculturalism against evil climate-changing monolithic unitary nationalist industrial power.
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thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LML6SoNE7xE
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>>145122275
Will give it a try, but i don't want mdern leftist propaganda bullshit.
Also without Tolkin, this would not exist.
>>145122293
Tolkin basically invented modern high fantasy
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>>145121730
>>145121828

Check out this audiobook version some dude made:
www DOOT mediafire DOOT com/folder/cjjdiknzeieol,6jmo2c5q9vbll,jdmyib22aeqpm

full music from the films
spot on voices for all characters
unabridged
amazing production values

It's literally the best way to experience it.
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>>145122538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYa5TfBCISM
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>>145121730
Great op pic by the way dude
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not /pol/ you faggots
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>>145122526
you never read the books, do you?

so what do you crybaby like instead?
let my guess.. Harry Potter?
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>>145121730
although it's a bit postmodern/poststructuralist, there are plenty of based characters in malazan book of the fallen.... however, there is also plenty of race mixing in that series, but also with detrimental effects, for example leading to the watering out and virtual death of the jaghut race
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>>145121730
How about C.S. Lewis Universe, Anon?
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>>145121879
THE FATE OF US ALL
LIES DEEP IN THE DARK
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>>145121730
>>145122621
It's also on youtube here, but it get's taken down pretty often because it's not official: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1bcmF7BrwE&list=PLwHU0RDE7s7HkeJFrYx3XuXi0Hjqk3MGD
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>>145122633
I love the Musi, nothing comes close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybZINoDv8I8&ab_channel=Jumba
>>145122698
post some trap threads then you fagg ausie
>>145122621
thank you my dude
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>>145122729
I read all the books.

Elves+Humans+Dwarves+Hobbits (multiculturalism) against a nationalist patriotic society united by a single ideology (Sauron).
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>>145122855
Thanks. Not a fan of audio books (I’m a slow reader) but this does sound good.
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>>145121730
I have to admit, if these filthy cunts ever seriously attempt to ruin LOTR, God will be unable to help them. They are without question the best movie series of all time.

I literally love the thought of Aragorn and Arwen living their lives out in love and having beautiful children.
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>>145122918
It's closer to a radio dramatization than an audiobook. sfx, the great soundtrack from the films, and he really does nail the voices.

Even if you aren't into audiobooks it's still the best way to read lotr, especially for the first time. So much more emotive with the soundtrack, without it lotr can be really dry, especially in the less exciting moments.
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Man, I just want the true Star Wars, Disney just straight fucking butchered the title with nigger pandering and progressive pseudo-samaritanism. I want my droids back.
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>>145121730
The good thing about LOTR is that is finished and has been for decades.

There is no sensible way to introduce new SJW bullshit into new sequels invalidating/changing the canon.

As soon as a work of fiction becomes just a reference to recent political events it loses a lot of its power and truth. It is no longer timeless, it now carries a sell-by-date.
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>>145121730
Anybody else been playing Shadow of War recently?

The game only has one nigger in it (who doesn't show-up very often), and he's a black Haradrim (Middle-Earth sandnigger) who was raised by white adoptive parents in Osgiliath. The game's narrative basically mentions that different races live in different nations on Arda in this way; a far cry from forced multiculturalism, and realistic for the world itself.

Also, all of the other characters are white; and the female knight and the female elf ranger are blonde eye-candy, so feminists didn't get their way either.

On a side note, the way the collectible artifacts tell lore from Arda's history (a lot of it coming from Tolkien's "The Silmarilion"), is really cool.
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>>145121730
No faggot, William Gibson neuromancer/idoru series and even th pattern recognition/peripheral span is more realistic. Stop smoking bongs
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>>145123040
Tolkien has written extensively about his hatred of allegory. He didn't want to write a story with a deep message/relation to the real world, he wanted to write a damn good book.
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>>145122228
no homo, i cried in this scene the first time and just did again.

you did good germanbro.
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>>145123040
Yeah this, it might get remade later down the line and they might shove WE WUZ GONDORIANS like that shadow of war game.
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>>145121879
Fingolfin has the biggest balls.
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>>145123120
Shadow of War/Morder are just too boring for me. Everyone talks about how great the nemesis system is, and yeah it's a cool system.

But the actual gameplay is just boooring. Same old wait-counter-wait-counter asscreed style combat, it bored me to tears.

Plus it completely shits over all the lotr lore.
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Dumb
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>>145122495
thank God it released just before all this kikery was enforced.
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>>145122809
what is it about?
>>145122879
yeah all white/ western cultures... should be united. Also all orcs are black and then we have the easterlings/golden-army(Mongols) and the Haradrim (Muslims/Arabs).
>>145123018
Lucas was based till he sold it to (((Disney)))
>>145122971
this!
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>>145122526
>The LOTR story is about the success of multiculturalism

Sauron uses niggers and poos (Haradrim and other "Easterlings") as mercenaries. Niggers basically sold-out the huwhites to Satan for some shekels.

The elves are meant to be the model of perfect Aryans. Dwarves are Jews. Orcs literally hate pretty things. Everything in LOTR is based on racial pre-determinism.
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>>145122879
bullshits. Sauron & morgoth big jews. How many times did they pretend they were good boys and then they trick everyone AGAIN
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>>145121730
bruh
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>>145121730
Star Wars hasn't actually been SJWified yet. The marketing is doing a good job of convincing people of that, but any flaws the new films may have are unrelated to any kind of leftist slant or agenda. I'm still, to this day, wondering why Rogue One is Trump's worst nightmare. Game of Thrones issues are limited solely to the TV show, which no one with any self respect should be watching anyway. The books will never be finished at this rate, so you can stick a fork in it regardless of what the left tries to make of it.
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>>145123335
Tolkien was asked about a lot of this shit before he died, literally none of LOTR is metaphor for real life except for Tom Bombadil.

All that shit is your interpretation.
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Silmarillion is literally one of the best redpills out there. It's impossible to read through that book without evaluating your current standpoint on racial biology and hierarchy.
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>>145123203
>it completely shits over all the lotr lore

Not completely, just heavily.

Celebrimbor wuz a real smith/kang in the Silmarilion.
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>>145123139
This is so dumb. His book is entirely allegory by its nature of being a fantasy mythos. To suggest that he applied none of his real world experience from world war Britain is to not have known Tolkien
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why /pol/ always wants to think everything is about them. everything is a metaphor for Nazism vs "muh Jew boogieman". In every fucking work of fiction, videogames everything. Nothing is about you, has never been.
Nah dude, nah. Grow up.

Wolfenstein II is gonna be great. Deal with it.
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>>145123502
I could deal with the lore being ruined if the actual gameplay was more fun.

Just not my kind of thing, I'm tired of this endless open-world-with-mediocre-combat cookie cutter game genre. mgsv is the only one that's held my attention, because it actually had challenging and fun gameplay
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>>145123538
That's your generalization. Some people like you and me are not extreme rightwingers in /pol/.
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>>145123529
Fuck outa here with this bullshit, how many times does this need to be debunked.

>"But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the proposed domination of the author."
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>>145121730
GoT was made by a feminist and intended as leftist commentary (stronk womyn and only single womyn can be stronk). they didn't claim shit.

SW has no SJW elements.
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homie but it's amazing look at the quotes of the authors themselves. do they pander to nazi ideology? no, not at fucking all. Yet this retards pretend it does. Just because it has white skinned main characters. Jesus fucking christ man... Pure ideology = Pure cancer.
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>>145123120
how would yo rate the game?
do you like?
I need a new one.
>>145123158
sadly he lost the battle
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>>145121828
>reading fiction
If you aren't at least a multimillionaire, why are you wasting your time?
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>>145123529
Surely he had to relate to his own experiences - there are no others.

But allegory would mean to relate not only to the experiences but also come to conclusions relevant in the real world.

He described wars like he experienced them but it would be really dumb to read LOTR as a literal retelling of WWI.
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>>145123402
fuck off antifa fagg with your invented quote.
also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/329b44/today_ive_sadly_learned_that_jrr_tolkien_was_a/
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>>145123836
of course you are american
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>>145123802
1984 is a cautionary tale. The writer wanted people to stop following Nazism and Communism avoid having the same fate as Winston Smith.
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>>145123636
>lore

Meh, Tolkien always intended for there to be more elf wraiths up to ????
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>>145123529
Or this

>"Thank you for your letter. I hope that you have enjoyed The Lord of the Rings? Enjoyed is the key-word. For it was written to amuse (in the highest sense): to be readable. There is no 'allegory', moral, political, or contemporary in the work at all."

>"The Lord of the Rings was actually begun, as a separate thing, about 1937, and had reached the inn at Bree, before the shadow of the second war. Personally I do not think that either war (and of course not the atomic bomb) had any influence upon either the plot or the manner of its unfolding. Perhaps in landscape. The Dead Marshes and the approaches to the Morannon owe something to Northern France after the Battle of the Somme. They owe more to William Morris and his Huns and Romans, as in The House of the Wolfings or The Roots of the Mountains."

>"The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. If it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-Dûr would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt: they would not long have survived even as slaves."

How many times does the man himself need to deny any intention of allegory? He literally debunked this bullshit when the second edition was printed, right in the introduction. But it still get's brought up.
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>>145122879
wew lad

the point flew over you tiny brain by a mile.
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>>145123763
what? did you seen the last 2 star wars movies?
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>>145123936
I didn't invent shit look it up. Stop being retarded.
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>>145121730
the shadow of war game is trash dawg, the SJW infiltration has begun
>WHOA smashing buttons in combat a cool real fun innovation
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>>145124051
Yup. Only way to interpret them as SJW (female char does stuff, vaguely-kinda-nazi-ish antags) would be to interpret the original SW as SJW -- which is a plausible argument but not one I care to entertain.

If you want to speculate about allegory, the closest is the (kinda interesting imo) dynamic of the Republic and First Order not being at outright war, but the Republic having to secretly fund "moderate rebels." Even so, that's a stretch.
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>>145123836
Oh, fuck off, you burger cunt.
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>>145122879
It's just ecology vs heavy industrialism.
any /pol/tard here trying to find hidden meaning for to justify their own ideologies is a retard Period.
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>>145124066
you never read his books did you?
the books are extremly pro western, and Tolkin was a harcore christian.
Also: "men of the West unite" against a DARK Lord with his black tokens, Orcs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjZY2EfR-f8&ab_channel=Joris
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>>145124268
lotr isn't allegorical you fucking commie bastard, stop trying to pretend that it is. It's the simplist kind of good vs evil story, that literally any political ideology can project itself onto.
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>>145123836
>shitposting on /pol/ in the middle of the night
If you aren't at least a multimillionaire, why are you wasting your time?
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>>145123203
>Plus it completely shits over all the lotr lore.

the absolute fucking state of lorefags. worship christopher's cock some more will you, tolkien fucking loved people writing middle-earth stories as long as they loosely followed the framework
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>>145124209
>vaguely-kinda-nazi-ish antags
ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPhHl2DpD4E&ab_channel=Sim%27sFavoriteScenes
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>>145124068
>the spawn of literal manifestation of darkness and hunger is the unsung hero
>also not a giant spider

/tg/ had a huge nerd rage thread about the shit.
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>>145124303
I read all. Just because the characters are white skinned it doesn't means it's about Ethno Nationalist Ideology.
Especially later on when races start mixing too.

sorry to say but you're blinded by your ideology, you put your beliefs on Tolkien's as if they were his. Find sourced quotes where he says it's for Ethno Nationalism and shit. Otherwise everything you say it's based upon nothing.

Narnia is also white supremacist? it has white protagonists. Thats your logic.
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>>145124419
>nazis invented standing in formation
ok
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>>145124415
Shadow of bullshit is literally just a parade of

>ooh, remember this character from the mooovies?
>ooh, remember THIIIs character from the mooovies, except now she's a human with tits

I actually enjoy playing games that have good writing in them.
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>>145124268
It's not even ecology vs industry.
It's classic romanticism. It is a pre-modern fantasy.
Yes, the scouring of the shire looks pretty industrial, but what is lamented most is not the ecological but the social destruction brought about by Saruman. But it is just an echo of the purer and pre-industrial evil that Sauron was.
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>>145124531
Well Narnia actually is heavily allegorical, it's promoting a traditional christian family values world. Have you actually read Narnia, by the end it's literally god propoganda.
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>>145123802
>Pure ideology = Pure cancer
says the commie who's too scared to show his real flag. I'm not even a nationalist but this fake flag stuff is bullshit.
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>>145124577
director of the force awakens....
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kek
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>>145123763

You've got to be kidding.
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>>145124504
Didn't Shelob try to eat Frodo in the Return of the King, though? Or is it different in the books?
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>>145124883
Yup. But by injecting him with venom and trying to kill him, her secret pact with Gollum worked! :^)
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>>145124883
yea and Sam save him
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>>145122526
wrong, it's the peoples of europe uniting against globalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isq6YltjRRU
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>>145124711
I know. It's Catholic af. But is it about race? no. Neither LoTR. LoTR is simply Nature vs Industry. Thats the only "political" theme it touches.

You retarded inbred motherfuckers are just projecting into every piece of art as if you made it but you didn't do shit... s m f h
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Does some anon has a reco for a lotrish like game?
I've played that mod for Total War for 300+ hours
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>Silmarillion
To me it was impenetrable fucking garbage when I was 15
I don't think I have the presence of mind to read it now, chances are nobody in this thread has read it
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>Baranor is the greatest sign that Monolith is learning how to revamp this universe in ways that even the films did not. As Salisbury described Baranor, he explained that it's very important to create "a character that's well-rooted in the [Middle-earth] universe" but it's also important to design a character that reflects the perspectives of the world nowadays, in a body of work that deserved to be updated.

https://unv.is/waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/7x93ve/shadow-of-war-brings-a-key-first-to-lord-of-the-rings-a-black-character

>Really? Now you’re adding a character of color to the Lord of the Rings story?
>Before you say “but it wouldn’t make sense for black people to be in Mordor,” Lord of the Rings is a fictional story: Anything can be anything.
>He’s not even the main character of this trailer, and he damn sure isn’t a main character in the Rings series.
>Did his two seconds in the game’s trailer even give us anything cool we can say about him? You already know the answer to both these questions.
>To Monolith[10]’s credit, we have to start somewhere

https://unv.is/mic.com/articles/182854/middle-earth-shadow-of-war-baranor-black-character-lord-of-the-rings#footnote-9

Maybe there will be enough online bitching to get them to make Sambo the star of the next game.
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>>145124914
Right, but a hero is someone who acts selflessly to save others. An unsung hero is a hero who is not recognised as a hero. She is not a hero, because she was just trying to eat him, and hence is not an unsung hero. Also, your picture says she tried to eat him in the Two Towers, which is what I was asking about.
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>>145125113
First chapter is literally the most boring and hard to read.
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>>145124751
nations are ideology too dumbass
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Lotr is the greatest novel ever written.
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>falling for the book jew
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The prequels are better than nu-SW.
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>>145125084
pls go, we are not intressted in your degenerated opinions, you have your reddit, you can stay there
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>>145122293
>last 20 years
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>>145122275

Nah ,malazan books are not bad but that's all.
The half of the supposedly most badass military are women ffs,its beyond retarded.
Erikson is ok autor but he is fucking leaf and it shows.
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>>145125131
disgusting... and i thought the first game was good.
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>>145124504

What in the everloving fuck?
This is insanely retarded.
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>>145124755
And George Lucas married a NIGGER and found eheb hawt and wanted to cram it in his movies.

You can't have it both ways: either SW was always SJ or still isn't.

>>145124853
AMAZING
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>>145122621
Need to upgrade mediafire???
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>>145125828
fuck I know it sucks dude, you gotta do em one by one it's bs.

I can't find any other source though, no torrents for it nothing. Each book is pretty long you don't need them all at once.
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>>145124531
I can't debate your stupidity my english is not good enough....
Just read about tolkins life you fucking moron.
Why do you leftists politicize all of my menchildren fantasies but if we do it, we are the retards.
Just watch GoT it's pure leftist propaganda.
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>>145122577
M8 it's full of genocide, rape, and war.

>>145125579
He actually addresses this in the books. Humans evolved differently in that world because there were other intelligent species, almost all of which are more powerful, and the tribes that didn't use everyone to fight against these existential threats died to them.
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>>145125899
But will there be music integrated? What is the Old Mp3 folder?
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>>145123321
U brainlets get distracted by the fact thst orcs look dark. They are not niggers, they are elves who are totally unconditionally committed to the national struggle— unlike petty and degenerate normal elves who fuck and drink and party and waste life.
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Best Scene in the Film Industry till today imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmTz7EAYLrs&ab_channel=BramGroeneveld
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>>145125579
>Erikson
He's not only a leaf, but a Sven descendant too
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>>145123321
Was Hitler and the SS also niggers because they wore black?
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>>145125093
Bruh I'm fucking addicted to that mod. Good taste anon
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>>145121730
>We must be more tolerant with orks
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>>145126188
Yeah it all comes with the music etc. Each chapter is just a .mp3 with all the words/music/sfx etc. included

hope you enjoy it dude
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>>145123372
Literally Germany from the POV of an English patriot (i.e. Tolkien).
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>>145126188
I think that old mp3 is just old versions of some chapters that he redid because they weren't good enough.
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>>145125143
The shelob stuff happened in the Two Towers book, but they moved it to the Return of the King movie to give Sam/Frodo more to do.
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>>145124008
Elves and Dwarves and Hobbits and Gondor and Rohan all have incompatible politics, values, racial characteristics, and civilizations. They join together in a multicultural union to destroy the unified one-VOLK of Sauron.

U shitsskins seem to forget that Tolkien was literally a stodgy old British conservative of the liberal sort.
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>>145126102
>M8 it's full of genocide, rape, and war.
so is GoT... and it's the most disgusting mainstraem crap on tv
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>>145125131
WE WUZ GONDOR N SHIEEEET NIGGA
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>>145126360
Ah, thanks

Downloading now. I just love going for long fucking walks listening to audio books.
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>>145126262
orcs+mordor (Germany) + Haredim (Ottoman Turks vs the Allies.

And you call it “red-pilled”. The only redpill you need to swallow anon is cyanide.
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>>145122538

COMFY!!!
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Here in Italy, The Lord of The Rings was considered a rightist lecture from its first publishing, but when the movies came out the leftists quickly retconned their position about it and adopted it as it was always one of their favourite.
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>>145126481
Yeah dude, so comfy. Audiobooks are great,
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>>145123836
>le reality TV man
You're a fucking drone
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>>145126277
>be ranger/celebrimbor
>stack party with humans or elves?
>nooo no no we want orcs and olog hai
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>>145126262
dude Tolkin was born in South Africa, of course the Orcs are niggers
>>145126275
Finally a cool anon, what is your favorite faction?
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>>145123836
>lord of the rings
>fiction
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>>145121730
i think the James Bond franchise is pretty right wing
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>>145126251
When you watch western films is it mostly in Subtitles or dubbed?
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>>145125113

Ive reas it atleast 10 times. Its the best of all the stories hands down. Try it again.

The Flight of the Noldor is the best chapter. Feanor did nothing wrong.
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>>145126507
yeahh all the opponent of hitler loved the left and tranies and niggers LMAO
pls kys
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>>145123402
>I am a monarchist who respects individual freedom
His viewpoint has been the Germanic worldview for thousands of years. Modern day anarachism isn't true anarchism, its self serving worship of the individuals themselves.
True political "Anarchism" or rather an ordered chaos comes from a homogenous, religious, tribal, Germanic society.
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>>145126674
orcs+mordor (Germany) + Haredim (Ottoman Turks vs the Allies.

And you call it “red-pilled”. The only redpill you need to swallow anon is cyanide.

Orcs were not niggers, the blacks in SA were literslly pathetic worthless non-threats. You forget that British nationalists like Tolkien see Germans as black hordes of crazed ruthless invaders. The propaganda machine painted Krauts as literally Huns and Black Ape Monsters. Tolkien even worked on this propaganda.
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>>145126848
They are stupid. Anyone who is smart enough to know doesnt bother correcting others.
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>>145122228

>tfw "friends, you bow to no one"
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>>145122855
I just listened to the chapter The Old Forest while I read along and yeah this is great, thanks again. The music and fx alone are an awesome accompaniment. I’m definitely going to be using these for the rest of the book.
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>>145121730
Really liked the silmarillion, the three Lotr books go about thimble deep into the ocean of lore Tolkien created.
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>>145126805
dubbed

the germans may bitch about our synchro but it's the best you can get after the original, if you speak multiple languages, like i do.
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>>145121832
The Green Party has their heart in the right place you idiot. Industrial strength has been the primary cause of war and its brutality.
Machines have made economies so large that where the machines live or their keepers must be destroyed in ANY subsequent war.
Technology is in some ways like the ring.
Technology is what is destroying modern man. Read Kazcyinski's manifesto. Technology is literally the reason we are in such dire straights.
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>>145127001
Glad you like it dude, it should be more widely known.
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>>145127028
Is the voice acting done well though?
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>>145122228
>but what was aragorns tax policy?
Does game of thrones even cover tax policy? What is wrong with Martin?
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>>145122879
But they aren't unifying around cultures, thus it's not multiculturalism.
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>>145124066
>leftypol filenames
go back fag
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>people think that the Orcs are black people when it's literally just a generic struggle between modernization and tradition/industrialization and the old ways.

Tolkien would hate most of you anyway, seeing as you've given up on keeping the embers of tradition alive and instead are just trying to bathe in the ashes.
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>>145127246
Yes they are. It is as Dwarves, as Hobbits, Elves, Rohan, Gondor. They are a multi-cultural entity.
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>>145126855
Tolkin fought against germans in WW1.
He was still a nationalist.

British Empire > Drittes Reich
imo
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>>145121730
Only faggots read fantasy pulp.
Read History and make a difference.
Fucking LOTR/HARRY POTTER/STAR WARS soy boys
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>>145127383

They all live in seperate racially homogenous communities you retard. They work together against a common threat but don't mix whatsoever even after the war. Stop trying to twist lotr to fit your modern politics, you're no better than a sjw.
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>>145126815
I don't know if I would say the best but that's definitely where the story starts getting good. I really like the Children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien, and the Fall of Gondolin also.
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>>145127386
British empire saw itself as a multicultual entity, protector of muslims, emperor of hindus, and imported all those people to Britain.

British ideals of liberalism and multiculturalism(literally an Anglo, Charles Taylor OBE) still plague us.
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>>145127383
BUT THEY ARENT UNIFIED AROUND CULTURE
Are you fucking retarded m8?
Multicultural =/more than one culture
Multiculturalism = unifying around the syncretism of multiple cultures
There was no syncretism.
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>Niggers (which don't even exist in the universe but is added because muh current year)
>Literally my wifes son
>Shelob is apparently a shapeshifting spider that can turn into a hot woman
>Helm Hammerhand is a Nazgul

fuck this I want to die
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>>145127491
>dont mix
The ending scene of victory for this multicultural world is literally a mixed wedding.
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>>145126674
Honestly I'm split between dwarfs of Khazad- Dum and Thranduils Realm. I'm a shameless turtle and love being on defence so nothing makes me happier than having elite archers firing into the hoards of shit tier troops while my spears keep them at bay. Also the dwarfs are amazing for winning infantry battles without crazy losses. How about you Bro? And do you watch any YouTubers who play it? My fav is lionheart
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>>145127475
Only a retard doesn't see the benefit of myths and legends.
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>>145126855

What about Uruk-hai?
Racemixed monsters, creation of which was abominable?
If orcs= germans it doesn't make sense,german and anglo child wont be some kind of mongrel
Orks are blacks.
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>>145127041
>Technology
Why do you use your computer/Phone then?
But i agree, technology is dangerous in the wrong hands.
We still can't live without it...
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>>145121730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh36Ys0hxoE

This guru explains the immense symbolism and significance of tolkiens work for us today.
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>>145126102
A society that uses women on the battlefield would cease to exist very quickly. The more desperate the situation the more protected women would be.
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>>145127575
>he doesn't play Northern Dunedain
Probably couldn't even find Arnor on a map.
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>>145127123
Actually it's really good, but the original is allways the best.
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>>145127530
>nah dude you're just a lorefag shadow of mordor is fine
see >>145124415
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>>145127608
Whst about them? Probably Austrians. They are not race mixed, they are genetically modified supersoldiers. This is literally the kind of lebensborn shit Krauts were up to.
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>>145127552

Aragorn isnt a pure human, hes a numorean. He's technically cousins with Arwen. And elves and humans arent so much different species as different spiritual/soul categories according to the backstory of lotr. Elves are permanently tied to the fate of Middle-earth forever and humans arent. Elronds family tree have a special ability to choose whether to be human or not. Aragorn and Arwen getting married is a revamping of a played out, superior bloodline for the last time.
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LotR is not in any way racist or sexist.
To a german publisher who asked about his origin he wrote:

>"Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend byarisch. I am not ofAryanextraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am ofJewishorigin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to havenoancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject — which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride..."
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>>145121730
LotR is based on the old Celtic, Slavic, Greek and Nordic order being destroyed by the Industrial Revolution.

Search Keywords:
>The Bardic Schools, Druidism, Kolbrin, Daghda, Brehon Law, Crom Cruach/Destroyer/Frightener.
>Cuchulainn, Lugh Lamhfada, Poetic and Prose Edda's, Slavic Vedas, Library of Apollodorus,
>Iliad, Odyssey, Aeneid, Dante's Divine Comedy, Brothers Karamazov, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe,
>King Arthur, Troy, Etruscan/Welsh, Celtic Monasticism, Worms Concordat, Pope Gregory 7, Norman Invasion,
>King Clovis I, Boudica, Four Ancient Books of Wales, The Book of Invasions, Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV
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>>145122971
>Nigger Aragorn
>Gandalf the blacked
>Only white guy kn the movie is boromir and they turn him into a complete wimp
The thought of a black Aragorn alone is so bizzare, completely disgusting.
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>>145127768
So what? Asians and whites are cousins in a way.
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>>145127581
The LOTR Cringe was just as bad in the day as the Rick and Morty Super Sauce Cringe is now.
Grow up and learn. Throw your Kiddie books away.
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>>145127609
Why do I use it?
Convenience. This doesn't mean you or I wouldn't be better off without it.
Technology is bad in everyone's hands. But we have to make the distinction of technology, high technology is bad, think phones, computers, hydraulics, combustion, etc. low technology is good, books, lamps, bow and arrow, house.

Technology has taken away meaningful work and meaningful interaction. It has made war far more brutal and impersonal, no honor and glory in killing men two hundred feet away you can't even see.
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>>145127670
I prefer factions that are the best at something in particular so I can focus heavily on the strengths. Arnor and gondor are top 5 but they are to hybrid feeling for me, dont get me wrong they have elite ass troops but the infantry isn't comparable to the dwarfs, the archers are no elfs and the cav ain't Rohan. The units are aesthetic as fuck though desu
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>>145127719
Treebeard speculates that the Uruk-hai are the result of inbreeding between humans and orcs, by Sauroman. There isn't any definitive answer though.
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>retard /pol/fags thinking they gotta push their narrative over everything

Tolkien's fight is light vs dark in an absolute moral sense. Tradition vs industrialization. A healthy and natural environment against the hasted and slave-like life of industralization.

Fuck off with pushing your SJW-esque agenda on good work of fiction.
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I was making one in RPG maker, but I wanted my friend to help and I was doing most of the work and gave up. I made Bag End, the Party Field, and some of Hobbiton. I really liked my Bag End. This is the outside, its the rough version i think.
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>>145127941
The movie clears this up. You see the Uruk Hai being literally made in the underground labs of Saruman’s giant penis.
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"We'll be kangz n shieeet!"
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>>145122228
>everyone is white
>tfw if this movie were made today 50% of the cast would be female and/or black
>tfw if this movie were made today Aragorn would be black and the whole elf arc would be a hamfisted anti-racism pro race mixing thing
>the father would be clapping for his daughter getting BLACKED in that scene

really fucking feels bad man, all the routes of escapism are being taken away
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>>145127960
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>>145127852
Indo-Europeans and Paleo-Europeans are cousins.
>>145127894
You could play Rhûn. They have the best heavy cav in the game and the strongest line infantry of the evil factions.
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>>145127954
Tookien fags claim his obviously symbolic work is just meaningless.

He was a British propagandist and cuck.
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>>145122275
The first law trilogy and stand alones by Joe Abercrombie are better.
>>145122526
The lord of the rings is about a hobbit defeating an evil Lord. That's it. The rest is your own imagination. Tolkien despised allegories in fiction.
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>>145127575
I agree, they made defencive strategy really fun and it's alo lorefrendly.
Dwarfs and Elves never expand much in the Lore.
My favorite is Dol Amroth, I'm a fan of strong cavalry (polish hussar) and Dol Amroth has great expanding possibilities.
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>>145127989
The movies aren't canon though.
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>>145128022
So Krauts and Indians u retard?
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>>145128059
Lotro was good before they moved the level cap from 65 to 115.
Then they fucked around by adding the trait system.
Also they need to buff the beorning.
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>>145128022
Rhun is a good tier evil faction. Those units are so damn flashy and cool looking. I've only done a mordor playthrough but Im going to try Rhun next.
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>>145128087
Try Nordics (Elves) and Wider Germanics (Dunedain) then Aryans in general (Northmen).
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Elves are clearly the aryans whole the orcs are the Niggers
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>>145125217
come try take it faggot
you will die alone
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>>145128010
>>145128046
looks comfy af :))
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>>145128197
>>145128146
>I accidentally became a black nationalist
Mossad
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>>145127855
Lick lick lick my balls.
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>>145121730

In game of thrones every problem starts with a woman. I don't think SJW has claimed them yet.
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>>145128197
LOL. They are different species. No different from a human fucking a chimpanzee.
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>>145127954
>>Tradition vs industrialization

I disagree. The opposing forces are similar in their technology. However the one side lives in harmony with nature while the other one wants to subordinate and in its restless will for power destroys it.
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>>145128277
Uhhh... this isn't real life?
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>>145127999
STOP!
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>>145128059
Very good taste. They are my fav men faction by far. I just love that details and the diverse army comps you can make. The devs who make it need way more props for the work and creativness they put in.
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>>145127960
>>145128010
>>145128046

Is the artwork original? I've been working on a serious GameMaker project for a while now and I like what you've done with this.
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>>145128277
>>145128331
Also elves and men haven't had children Without a divine hand at play.
Europeans can be broken into different species too.
>inb4 this arbitrary ruling by Jews is not set in stone
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>>145128271
Is that a quote from some edgy fantasy novel you are reading, or an admission that you fail at real life?
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>>145128146
you talking about LOTR Online?
Sadly never played it?
Should i still give it a try?
>>145127855
>I only enjoy realistic thinks...
People like you are so fucking boring.
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>>145122275
This one gets it
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>>145128285
>one side lives in harmony with nature while the other one wants to subordinate and in its restless will for power destroys it.

That's literally what Tolkien perceived industrialization to be.
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>tfw part of you want's movies of the 1st/2nd ages but the other half knows that they would be shit because current year
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Why did they fuck up the Hobbit movies so bad in comparion to LOTR? A cuck protagonist, strange frame rate, CGI, asians and niggers, fillers.. Sad.
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>>145122526
So it's Anti-Ccommunist? And against industrialisation? Sounds a lot like traditionalism. It specifically points at decadence of modern societies while glorifying their past.
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>>145121730
Why is LotR considered as reactionary literature? Isn't it just generic fantasy?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh36Ys0hxoE

This man reveals astonishing parallels between the vedas and LOTR. It tells the story of the kali yug. The different races are symbolizing different >>casts; Elves= brahman or spirits
>>Men = Kshatriya
>>Dwarves= Merchants
>>Hobbits = common folk in the best sense

The elves leaving is the spirits of nature leaving- the very real entities our ancestors called faries, trolls etc.
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>>145128512
Original trilogy was good IN SPITE of Peter Jackson, not because of him. When it came time to do the hobbit, everything he wanted happened without opposition, and they turned out shiiit.

Plus the book is just less good.
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>>145122621
this is amazing THANK YOU SO MUCH, ANON!
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>>145128635
Oh i wish for the day when the good guys have taken over the movie industry, and we can make awesome movies of Tolkiens books, and other great achievements of white people.
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>>145128466
Okay, i wanted to point out that the antidote to industry is not necessarily opposing industry like the amish. There is a way to progress without harming nature.
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>>145123749
Tolkien wrote this as an afterthought, and just because he grew tired of the superficial "teh ring is teh bomb" faggotry. Doesn't mean it's true, you aren't "debunking" shit.
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>>145124883
Neither of those people answered your question. The Frodo and Sam arc up until those orcs find frodo all tied up in web happens in the two towers in the novels. Boromir's death also happens in the Two Towers if I remember right.
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>>145128512
Jackson had almost no time or prep to work on it when the previous director left the project without any kind of notice so Jackson (who didn't even want to make it) was forced to peice together the clusterfuck of a project. In the original films they had props, masks and actors ready a year in advance from when they started to film whereas in the hobbit they were literaly making the props and masks the day of shooting. That's why the cgi shit is so abundant. The bullshit love triangle was the previous directors idea and Jackson didn't care enough to fix it I'm assuming.
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>>145128389
Yup, they remind me of Arnor (the aesthetics are so sexy)

Creative Assembly need to hire the DaC Team so they can make a official Lotr Total War.
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>>145128635

>hobbit isnt as good as lotr

Nigga I'll fight you. They're not easily comparable. The hobbit is a childrens story but its still fantastic in its own way.
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>>145128681
Glad you like it dude, I try and link it online everytime I see lotr come up because it isn't widely known. It's literally better than every commercial audio adaptation.
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>>145128833
Yeah, but it's obvious why it's not going to result in as good a film as lotr. It's a good childrens book.
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>>145128512
they wanted to make 3 movies because that didn't increase the budget that much and guaranteed big profits
>asians and niggers
if there was an asian in a major i could have missed it but i'm pretty sure there weren't any niggers except in the crowd which could be just the amount you'd get if you didn't care about race
CGI was because cheaper -> more profit
I haven't read the book but i don't thin that Bilbo was exceptionally "cucky"

also this >>145128797
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>>145122879

Sauron fielded the Easterlings, the haradrim of near harad (Mid-East) and far Harad (Africa), the Variags of Khand, orcs, black orcs.

>>145122971

They will inevitably remake them at some point but that will not change the original any more than the presence of modern cash-in-remake horseshit doesn't destroy the originals. Nobody is ever going to fucking watch ghostbusters 2015-2016. However, when millennials have children they are going to rear them up watching the classic ghostbusters. Their kids may or may not be interested in it but you will still have a greater timelessness legacy of the former to the revisionist latter.

>>145123538

Orwell saw the horror of the bolsheviks in Spain, it is possible for a socialist to hate communism. It's in fact ideal and in a better time with better people socialists did. Now they lionize it and fail to understand the communists are worse than fascists.

>>and for democratic socialism as I understand it
>as I understand it
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>>145121730
>Is J. R. R. Tolkien's masterpieces (Lord of the Rings, Hobbit, Silmarillion) the only fantasy universe left for us?
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>>145128403
it's semi original, I made some things and used components of things to make some things, but a lot of it is assets from rpg maker and other places. I made the walls inside bag end curved, for instance, and if you didn't notice, the pictures of Bilbo's parents are on the wall.
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>>145128833
Hobbit is the first Book my son is going to read!
When he grows, he is going to read Lotr.
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>>145128797
Well that explains, a pity they had to hasten it so.

>>145128905
There is no passion at all in the movies. The story is presented in a very lame manner. I cringed when i saw Gandalf, i felt they dissed him
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>>145123477
Well, you can't create fantasy without interpreting at least some parts of the world you live in, even if not knowingly. You still end up expressing certain values and structures of contemporary society.
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>>145127634
>The more desperate the situation the more protected women would be.
not when losing means genocide, dipshit. they evolved differently to the point where men and women were roughly the same in terms of physical strength, nervous system, etc, because they needed all hands on deck to not be wiped out by shit like a giant hive of lizards in a magic floating fortress.
Versus humans that trait wouldnt be selected for as strongly, as the victors would 'assimilate' the non-combatants, but these other species don't care about that so early humans that halved their fighting force died while others survived.
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>>145124853

Jesus christ man I fucking hate rey and think she's an abomination of a character but this is fucking 12 year old deviant art shit
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>>145128976
I forgot.
Thx Anon
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>>145128051
This is correct. Tolkein disliked allegories, but what ever you decide to interpret is your owm view. Tolkien didnt like railroading allegories into your minds.
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>>145128630
>The elves leaving is the spirits of nature leaving- the very real entities our ancestors called faries, trolls etc.

No anon, it's about christians going to heaven.
Tolkin was a hardcore Christian.
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>>145129137
What were these 2 blue motherfuckers up to? And who the hell is Tom Bombadil really? Is he Iluvitar? Or Tolkein living through his creation? I just love how many mysteries he left on purpose for the sake of mystery. He loved the unknown and wanted us to imagine what else was out there. Truly an amazing author
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>>145128979

Well I've got a professional artist on the project now, but what I particularly liked about your images was the design and the use of space and tiles.

If you've got any interest in maybe tinkering around with stuff like this in the future or hearing about the project you can email me at:

deadcatliker@gmail.com

Burner email. I don't really like dead cats.
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This thread reads like the boring faggotry of JRR tolkien, or JK Rowling.
Go outside and meet people, you stinky soyboys
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>>145129432
>Tom Bombadil
I'm sure he is just an easter egg of the books.
Just a mystry to make it more intresting.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Tom_Bombadil

>What were these 2 blue motherfuckers up to?
I think they went far east/south to keep the muslim Morgoth puppets in check.
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>>145129466
Yeah, I like working on that sort of stuff. I can program also. I'll email you.
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>>145121730
>an entire book about literal kikes trying to get back to their mountain full of gold
>the only fantasy universe left for us
kek
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>>145129466
Here's the party field, with Frodo and Sam under the banner.
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>>145129677
I've a pregnant girlfriend....
let me enjoy thinks you boring piece of shit
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>>145129100
you sound like someone who has no clue how war works or any context to the history of war. civilizations have been wiped out when they needed -all hands on deck- because when it comes down to it, women for the most part do not fight when they're about to die. they run, scream and try not to get literally raped.

women are not built for fighting and to say they -evolved- to fight, would only apply to a small selection, which again the odds of them reproducing to becoming the majority over the earth are slim to none. but I guess that's why it's called fantasy
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>>145129677
Fuck off gook, you're just mad LOTR shits on ROTK
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>>145129677
>9gag
pls go
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>>145126788
It's an institution of masculinity in film. Feminsits won't like it because of that.
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>>145129677
>posting 9gag content
KYS
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>>145129100
>they evolved differently to the point where men and women were roughly the same in terms of physical strength
How is that not a feminist wet dream? The evolution and nature themselves bent over backwards to make inferior gender stronger. Also if women are made to be stronger evolutionary, they would look like men. So unless they're hulking hairy and test filled monsters, then its even more idiotic than it already sounds.
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Triggering Smelly Fantasy fans.
Fish in a Barrel.
The Picklericks
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>>145129137
For what it's worth, it's a comic series written in the 80's. But the message is that a society in which women rule (here, the Europe-equivalent is taken over by a monotheist religion with a female deity) eventually leads to societal degeneracy and ultimately takeover from mass immigration of Islamic countries. The ending is really depressing
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>>145123821
If you like mindrape it's 10/10

Lootboxes and microtransactions make it 0/10 in my book though
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>>145130621
such a good 9gag troll xDDDDDddddDDDDD
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In case someone is intrested here is the best (and most in depth) youtube middle earth lore video maker imo:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8HWk4BpT_AP4tTGjF4O4GA

(he aminly does gameplays but there are lore video about evert 5 weeks)
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>>145121730
>>145121832
You guys are overthinking it. Can't it just be a fantasy world? What would be the metaphor if it was anything else? A jew, a white guy, and a swede fighting off an army of niggers? That's the exact opposite of our reality. In your Lotr fantasy, Gimli would be king of the niggers and would enslave Arragorn and then make Legolas watch while orcs fucked his wife. Just doesn't make as much sense
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>>145122809
Excellent and highly intelligent Christian fantasy, heavy on the fantasy. Basically it's the medieval, magical West vs. the Muslim hordes. The Calormen are totally Muslims/Arabs, and the barbaric enemy of England and western civilization. I'd say these books are redpilled for sure. I believe Lewis would be appalled and heartbroken at the state of the UK today. I've never identified deeply with Christianity but that aspect of the books is well-integrated, not heavy-handed or obtrusive. Plus, Aslan the lion is the most appealing version of Jesus I've ever encountered. I wish Jesus really were a huge cat.

Like all of Lewis's works, the Chronicles are best in their imaginative detail and the psychological depth and complexity of his characters. They're beautiful, spiritually satisfying books and rich fantasies as well.And they are incredibly fucking English in the best possible ways. If you're an anglophile you'll be in heaven.

I've always loved C.S. Lewis. A rather mysterious man in biographical terms; his early life is full of enigmatic, shadowy episodes--especially romantically. His one significant early relationship appears to have been with a MILF, basically, and very on the downlow. His late marriage, after years of bookish bachelorhood, to a charming, pushy American divorcee (a converted Jew at that) can only be explained by the fact that it was one of those rare, inexplicable true love things (and I believe it really was.) Her early death and how he survived the loss is a remarkable story of grief, faith and courage.

I think his best work was the novel Till We Have Faces. It's haunting and beautiful--and underrated, imo. Nobody but the mature Lewis could explore the most humiliating, painful aspects of human love, selfishness, and possessiveness so honestly. It's quite a mystical novel as well. His phantasmagorical sci-fi novels are worth checking out too. Note that he was a friend of Tolkien, and fellow don at Oxford in the same time period.
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Too much manicheism
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>>145130718
than it's nothing for me either :(
>>145130751
this guy is awesome, he is the head of the DaC team.
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>>145130794
sounds like he the autor i was searching for
>>145130804
>france
How many mudshits fucked your sister today?
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>>145121730
is it cause dwarves seem like jews in the books
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>>145122275
lmao

Leave to Australia to have total trash taste.
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>>145130751
nigguh was in my subscription already, how small the world is....
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>>145131313
Yeah and the turks are the Sauron puppets/evil humans (Harad, Rhun).
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How is your playthrough of Mordor going, /pol/?
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>>145131681
Mordor is way to easy, to much protection from the mountains
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Tolkien made Lord of the Rings in an effort to create a mythology tied to the English language. In his opinion, Beowulf was too old and antiquated, and Arthurian legend was predominantly written in French, even if the stories were tied to Britain's soil. Only time will tell if Tolkien succeeded, but I don't think it deserves to be compared to the ilk of corporate, consumerist pulp trash like Star Wars and ASoIAF. It's something far greater, and far more profound.

But to answer your question, it is uniquely Anglo-Saxon, because that is what Tolkien wrote it to be. So I don't know about "us", but we Anglos can certainly claim it.
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I just finished reading The Silmarillion again and It's probably my favorite book ever written.
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>>145131983
Kann dir da nur zustimmen, er hat im Grunde das Moderne Fantasy erfunden. Natürlich gab es Märchen davor wie du es bereits gesagt hast, aber nichts vergleichbares. Er wird immer eine Legende bleiben.
Mann muss aber auch sagen das Jacksons Lotr Filme auch ein großen teil dazu beigetragen haben.
>>145132083
Hurin is such a Based Motherfucker, i love him.
His Son was a cheap crybaby copy.
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>>145121730
>LOTR is red pilled.
>LOTR is not in line with 21st century western feminist values.
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>>145132647
ohh a devoloped itresting character that loves her King (Theoden) and is getting help from Merry (stabing the witch king in the leg) does something heroic...
instantly it's mahhh faminism.
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>>145121730
The core of LotR is still Catholic turn-the-other-cheek stuff. Not entirely appropriate for the modern world.

But, of course, more thought went into LotR than in the stacks of derivative trash that normies consume as if McDonalds started a literature line. When literal communists like China Mieville and Micheal Morecocks moan and bitch about LotR and similar works being "fascist", you know you're on the right track.

Personally, I think they're jealous of its success and quality. I read one book by Mieville, and it was the same level of childish edginess as the RPG characters I made when I was 16. The only people who praise his work are the people who agree with the propaganda in it.
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>>145121730
I prefer the Hobbit for some reason.

Everyone loves LOTR, but man it just feels a little to grand to me.
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>>145132951
Did Moorcock really complain about Lotr? I was considering reading his books but I don't want to waste my time on some hippie proto-sjw bullshit.
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>>145132647
rohan is based on ancient turks. women were equal back then. they fought, hunted and ruled. in lotr rohan became degenerate so women are treated as weak creatures who're not allowed to fight
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>>145132959
it's fine lovely anon, we can have different opinions
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>>145122505
Same felling, don't really like when they come to the rescue.
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>>145133136
I read somewhere he hated Tolkien for what LOTR did to fantasy, he's a bitch.

I just recently finished the first Elric novel and I feel like I'm missing something. Does all the praise it gets come from latter novels?
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>>145133140
The fuck are you mongolian rapebaby talking about?
Rohan is based of Saxon's/Vikings.
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Fiction is allegory
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>>145121730
AYO HOL UP MASTER FRODUH
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>>145133476
The prevalent opinion is that Moorcock is actually a shitty writer and his books are praised for how they influenced other authors and the fantasy genre in general, rather than their dubious artistic value.
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>>145133140
Alos the battle of pelennor fields is heavily insired by the battle Vienna, when the Turks got assfucked by the Pollish Hussar.

http://monkshobbit.blogspot.de/2015/09/remembering-911-did-tolkien-pattern-siege-gondor-3019-battle-vienna-1683.html
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>>145129382
>>tolkien was hardcore christian
tolkien believed in reincarnation and had trouble with the church because of that
Also, isnt christian at all: It lacks a patriarchal god figure, heaven does not exist, sin doesnt exist, the elves being immortal has no analogy, they leaving the shores with boats has no analogy especially if you argue that they go to heaven.

So no absolutely no christian symbolism.
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>>145133902
That makes a LOT more sense.
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>>145132647
>dramatic irony
>feminists values
Come off it. The only reason you're complaining about it anyway is because of how contrived and shitty that scene is in Hackson's movie.
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>>145133805
YU BE SAYIN
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>>145133977
what?
just read

https://www.str.org/blog/how-jrr-tolkien-led-cs-lewis-toward-christianity#.WeCxcFu0NhE
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>>145133140
>rohan is based on ancient turks
ahahahahaha

you roachlings are easterlings at best but most probably orcs since your race is a product of mongrelization of fair and advanced people (Greeks) with something profoundly subhumanoid, all combined with years of torture and inbreeding
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>>145132942

Developed? She was the typical cliché 'womyn wants to fight but the men won't let her, so she disobeys and out fights all the men and survives whilst the men that denied her were all wiped out' trope horse shit that's been being done by hollywood for at least 2 decades. There was nothing interesting about that character.
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>>145134232
There's nothing wrong with based valkyries.
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>>145133805
>I would have followed you my brotha... my nigga... my KANG
powerful scene
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>>145134215
Try to argue on board, the link is lush and has no reference to lotr whatsoever.
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>>145133554
I didnt know saxons/vikings lived on the steppes and rode horses all the time

fucking idiot
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>>145134232
So after this thread you going to continue your GoT marathon and fap to the rape scenes?
>>145134221
kek, based kebab remover
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>>145133136
http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=953

Micheal Morecocks is an outspoken anarchist (which means he's just a dishonest commie) who's ideology greatly informs his work. From the above it's also clear that he's too damn stupid to understand LotR, which is kind of a big crime considering it's the genre he's fucking writing in.
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>>145134505
Ya, maybe indo-aryans though. They were step nomads once.
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>>145134480
Please keep on going, you're cracking me up mah nigga
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>>145134619
I read Tolkien based Rohan on the Goths. They used to live in the Pontic steppe in Ukraine before they migrated westwards. They were good horse breeders, fierce warriors and they carried the spirit of the north down south where they used to dwell.
See "Crimean Goths"
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>>145133140
Ah the typical Turk trying to lay claim to culture that isn't theirs, next you'll tell us about how throat singing is quintessentially Turkic....

>>145133554
The fuck are you talking about Hanz? The Saxons/vikings were a culture of barbarity and coastal raiding using boats that doubled as shelter. There isn't a single scene I can think of that involves Rohanians in boats. Whats more I can't think of any historic references of viking cavalry charges.

Rohan at a guess would be influenced be Celtic culture due to the Celtic knots and fair hair, that having been said I'd argue that they were probably based on the Armenians, which are said to be the predecessors of Celts.
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>>145134493
Anon you can find it all over the internet, JRR Tolkin was a South African Catholic and talked about God a lot... Damn Iluvatar was the creater of Arda. He got Help from his Minnions tho.
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>>145124415
>tolkien fucking loved people writing middle-earth stories
You just made this up. Has never happened.
>as long as they loosely followed the framework
They don't even do that though. All this ridiculous shit about Isildur and Helm Hammerhand and the main fucking character becoming a Nazgul is totally nonsensical. Shelob can shapeshift now, because why fucking not, and is apparently a sympathetic, morally gray character now, even though she's a fat fucking spider that exists only to eat things. Sauron takes the form of an elf in the game, even though its explicitly stated that Sauron lost his ability to take a fair form in the Fall of Numenor, having been cursed by Eru Iluvatar himself. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

This isn't a loving adaptation being made by fans for fans, if the ridiculous microtransaction policy didn't tip you off. It's a cynical cash-in that uses name-brand recognition to reel in good goys like you. It's not even a good game.
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>>145134232
>and out fights all the men
Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you're basing your opinion on Hackson's shit?
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>>145134821
but they are turks xDDDD
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>>145134600
Here is a simple excerpt from this essay:

>I don't think these books are 'fascist', but they certainly don't exactly argue with the 18th century enlightened Toryism with which the English comfort themselves so frequently in these upsetting times. They don't ask any questions of white men in grey clothing who somehow have a handle on what's best for us.

Does this sound familiar? The accusations for fascism (yes, associating it, and then magnanimously waving it away is still linking the work to fascism), the insistence that everyone in charge is evil for being old, white, and male? Yes! It's the SJW narrative we are all so used to by now! These people aren't new, mind you. I'm one of the people on here who tends to liberally call them communists, because they are. This narrative isn't new. It started long ago, before WWII even, and much of modern speculative fiction is the result of unrepentent commies pushing their narrative while excluding everyone else.

I urge everyone to read this, if only to get an idea on the forces that have gripped literature for decades.
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>>145134511

No I'm going to go to the gym, I'm not a fan of GoT's attempts at ham fisting feminism into my brain.
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>>145134619
>indo-aryans

kek here comes the jewish history parroting goyim again. there's no such thing as indo aryan. it was made up in 20th century to give europeans a sense of culture. don't forget that you were wiping your ass with stones while we were founding and destroying great empires

>>145134794
all central asian/turkic people

>>145134821
>based on the Armenians, which are said to be the predecessors of Celts

okay now you just went full retard. I'm outta here
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>>145134999
The Armenians are not Turks.
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>>145134821
Rohirric is explicitly based on Old English, dumbass. They're Anglo-Saxons.
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>>145135237

And yet the Elves are clearly Welsh/Gaelic so how does that fit in with your theory? Again the Anglo Saxons have never had a horseback tradition.
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they were too greedy... they dug too deep.
Anons.... are we the jews theoretical balrog?
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>>145135088
It's glorious, thanks for the contribution bro!

>>145135128
>there's no such thing as indo aryan
Are you fucking braindead, you fucking t*rk!? You can PROVE the relations on linguistic, cultural, mythologic and genetic level.

Get your t*rkic kangism out of this thread!
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>>145135468

No the Jews are the Dwarves, and Balrog is their God that murmurs that they should dig a little deeper, that they needed a little more.
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>>145135356
>"theory"
>In the novels it is always represented by the Mercian dialect of Old English, because Tolkien saw the relationship between Rohirric and the Common Speech to be similar to that of Old English and Modern English, which was used to represent Westron.
>Only one proper name is given, that of Théoden: the actual form was Tûrac, an old word for King.[1] Théoden is the Old English word þéoden,[2] meaning "leader of a people" (i.e. "King" or "prince").[3][4] As with other descriptive names in his legendarium, Tolkien uses this name to create the impression that the text is "'historical', 'real' or 'archaic'".[5] Théoden is referred to as "Théoden King", rather than "King Théoden", just as Scandinavian and the Anglo-Saxon era kings had the word konungr/cyning ("king") added after their names, e.g. Hervarðar konungr, rather than before.
>The names and many details of their culture are in fact based on Germanic-derived cultures, particularly that of the Anglo-Saxons and their Old English language, towards which Tolkien felt a strong affinity. Ultimately Anglo-Saxon England was defeated by the cavalry of the Normans at the Battle of Hastings, and some Tolkien scholars have speculated that the Rohirrim are Tolkien's wishful version of an Anglo-Saxon society that retained a "rider culture", and would have been able to resist such an invasion
hurr
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>>145121730
I've always liked this art style
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>>145130037
Have you?

Onna-bugeisha
Shield Maidens
Female Soviet Snipers in WWII
Female Kurdish Fighters today

The list could go on. Compared men on the battlefield, yes smaller numbers. But this idea that every woman is a damsel in distress waiting to be rapped is pretty juvenile.
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>>145135594
nope you can't prove shit you fucking slav human residue. you just choose to believe in kike lies you like

>>145135632
tolkien used lots of words from all over the world. he also used ethiopian names. it doesn't mean shit
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>>145135846
What Ethiopian names did he use?
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>>145135761
It's called "shitty and boring digital art". Very popular right now.
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>>145135761
Several aspects of Rohan's culture and history seem to be inspired by both Goths, Scandinavians and the medieval Anglo-Saxons.

Just like the Germanic Ostrogoths, Rohirric culture was a mounted culture. It had separated from the Northmen, moved south, and had settled in close proximity with a civilization. In the Goths' case it was the Byzantine Empire and in the case of the Rohirrim, it was Gondor.

Especially Hervarar saga, with its Mirkwood, Gothic horsemen and shieldmaidens, appears to have inspired Tolkien when creating the Rohirrim, although he exchanged the Gothic tongue with the Anglo-Saxon.

The antipathy between the Rohirrim and the Dunlendings resembles the historical tension between the Anglo-Saxon settlers of Britain and the native Celts.
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>>145135887
Gondor/Gondar, Rohan/Roha, Barad-dûr/Bahir Dar etc
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>>145133140
>rohan is based on ancient turks

no it wasn't you smelly subhuman brown skin animal. Stop trying to give your failed shithole of a culture value. You will wake up tomorrow and still be a turk, and that is a fate worse than death.
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>>145135846
Wow, an idiotic comment from a fucking arthropod. Who would have thought?

Don't reply to me again, vermin.
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>>145136071
we gave you a culture kraut. if we hadn't push you west or took your ancestors under our federation you would be still trying to put your dick in tree trunks
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>>145136010
>A reader once asked Tolkien whether the name Gondor had been inspired by the ancient Ethiopian citadel of Gondar. Tolkien replied that he was unaware of having heard the word before, and that the root Ond went back to an account he had read as a child mentioning ond ("stone") as one of only two words known of the pre-Celtic languages of Britain.[16]
stupid roach
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>>145135846
>nope you can't prove shit
Hundreds of non-jew scholars beg to disagree with your retarded opinion.
You have to shut your mouth for a second, read a book or sth and then come back.
You based your opinions on your feelings towards pant*rkic kangism.
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>>145136196
I'm an American. 100% WASP.
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>>145134893
I dont argue that tolkien wasnt a catholic, my point was that lotr itself is not a christian story but rather a pagan one. The link you send is so general that you dont need christianity to make the same argument. One can identify himself as christian, but the story he tells must not necessarily be christian. Tolkien believing in reincarnation furthermore shows him thinking freely and distant from the church's dogma. Again my topic is whether the symbolism of LOTR is christian or not.

Christianity is monotheistic. In LOTR you have multiple "gods" fighting e.g. Saruman, Gandalf, Sauron etc. much more similar to pagan traditions, e.g. greek, nordic, indian mythology (with the asura and suras). There are no wonders, no teaching of sin, no NT, the entire cruel and allmighty figure of the ONE GOD is missing. No fear of hell and no heaven.

Contrary to the church, interbreeding in LOTR is evil and produces unnatural monstrosities like the Uruk-Hai.

The great war in middle-earth is followed by the most divine beings to leave it. Also, the light of the elder weakens. This is similar to vedic tradition. After the great war (Mahabharata) the world enters the dark age or 4th age, kali yug, in which the life-spans are the shortest and the divine beings that inhabited plants and everything in nature leave the earth.
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>>145135632
>frogs cucked anglos so hard they are butthurt 1000 years later
>greatest anglo writer wasn't able to write a one paragraph without french in modern english
>still mad horselet anglos lost at hastings
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>>145136252
yeah that's why russians shut down their own researchers who were looking into turkic history. that's why linguists are not trying to determine why old irish, nordic runes, vedic sanskrit, sumerian and old turkic have so many similarities. did you know that celts had similar traditions and symbols with ancient turks? ofc you don't because you're a little shit goyim who only believes in jewish fairy tales

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>>145136645
I wish you retard were able to read. You just posted proof of how the Celts - Galatians shaped your culture, not the other way around.
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>>145135632

You are looking far to narrow at things, over analyzing the made up fantasy language and ignoring everything else. Again when did Britain have an Equine culture, When did the Vikings ride horses, when did the Roharrim get into their long ships? When did Saxons start adopting Celtic knots as part of their cultural identity. You may as well just state that Rohan, the Elves, Gondor, The Hobbits are all based on the British because they filmed these films in English.

Obvious Celtic influences in the fantasy culture of Rohan are abundant, but what I think nails them as the Armenians is the cultural tie to horses and the geography (steppes).
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>>145136828
whatever anon. I'll be just waiting for the day when all kikes are gassed and truth about real history is revealed. it's pointless to argue at this point with so many brainwashed idiots like yourself
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>>145136645
Are you trying to go KANGZ on turks or what? Because linguistic similarities just prove similarity and nothing more.
And you realize your modern turkey has nothing to do with original turks? They were nomads in central asia not so long ago.
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>>145136828
This.

The 'Turks' are pretty much just the decendants of the Huns that stole Anatolia, all they know is theft as was the legacy of Attila. This is why they try to claim that they were the first to invent throat singing, Christmas, Christianity in general, warfare, everything inside your home including the washing machine etc....

Whats the first thing a thief does? Claim that what they've stolen is their own.
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>>145136992
>You are looking far to narrow at things, over analyzing the made up fantasy language and ignoring everything else
You're the one that is convinced that every detail of their culture is in some way tied to the real world, totally ignoring the fact that they are a made-up fantasy race. You can't tie any of your bullshit to anything, it's all conjecture being pulled straight from your asshole. The Rohirric language and its naming conventions are explicitly Old English, that is a fact. Not to mention there is testimony from the author himself that corroborates my "claim".
>You may as well just state that Rohan, the Elves, Gondor, The Hobbits are all based on the British
They literally were. Tolkien wrote his legendarium with the intent of creating an English mythology.
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>>145136992
>>145137415
>because they filmed these films in English
Oh, how did I miss this? "Films," are you fucking kidding me?

You don't have any authority to be debating this if your only exposure to Tolkien's work is through Hackson's films.




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