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>multicultural societies don't wo-
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>>152361566
Burger education everyone
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the moment that mutt of Caracalla gave out citizenship like candy is the exact moment the Empire was doomed, sadly enough
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Do you see any romans around today?
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>>152361566
I agree--we need to bring the metic system back. The RAISE Act is a good start.
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>>152361566
do you even know what plebians and patricians are?
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The word ' to sack' comes from the act of Goths emptying their sacks in Roman women.
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Multicultural societies work as long as they're white and rich. See: Switzerland
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>>152361566
>shill
>uses a failed civilization to prove that said civilization worked.
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>>152361566
Rome based a lot of its own culture on Greece but for everyone else it conquered they forced standard Greek-Roman Culture. Also not everyone in Rome was a citizen, you had to be of Roman descent or earn it.

The year they gave citizenship to anyone within the borders is the same year they stop growing and it's right before the great schism. I believe you can be any race but in order for a nation to thrive everyone must hold the same basic culture.
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>>152362583
That's a Gaul, though.
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>>152363207
>The year they gave citizenship to anyone within the borders is the same year they stop growing and it's right before the great schism. I believe you can be any race but in order for a nation to thrive everyone must hold the same basic culture.

Every citizen must have a common interest in the state. You can't have groups of "citizens" that perceive their interests to be in weakening the state.
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>>152363073
It lasted far longer than any other yet but he is actually giving a reason as to why it failed. Rome actually had concrete (much stronger than we make today) and steam power invented in its borders before the retards of the time led it to ruin.

FUN FACT: The Romans actually used lead pipes to transport some of the water into Rome because they didn't know the metal could fuck you up, some people think this is why they became retarded and crashed the empire. Who would win? Strongest Empire to ever exist at the time or some lead pipes?
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>>152361566
Oh gee, let's see how (((multicultural))) Rome actually was!
>no kikes free to cheat people
>no niggers to make mulattoes
>no muzzies to muzzie
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>>152363350
this.
I believe this painting depicts the ancient sacking of Rome by Brennus, from which we get the line "Woe to the Vanquished."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Allia

The anon's point is still valid though.
>bring hundreds of thousands of Germanic barbarians into your Empire and train them to fight in your army
>act surprised when they continuously rebel and sack your cities, even your capital.
The Roman Empire was complete trash, like almost all Empires were.
Pre-Punic War Republic was GOAT
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>>152361802
s/education/indoctrination/
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>>152361566
Yea, an empire that collapsed due to multiculturalism is a great example of multiculturalism working
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>>152363404
Yes that's right but I run into an issue a lot when thinking about that. What if both parties feel they are helping the state by fighting each other?
But basically do what Rome did, put everyone, even emperors under the Eagle (basically a symbol for Rome's might and history) and those that spit on the Eagle are traitors who just hate the state for the sake of and should be hung.
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>>152361566
>>152361903
I agree, turning points for Rome'd downfall were the adoption of greek, degenerate customs, which caused the civil wars of 1st century bc, and the citizenship granted to foreigners by Caracalla.

Roman strenght, as Cato remarked often, came from the fact that the society was very much traditional, based on community duty and not seeking personal wealth or hedonistic pleasure.
This is what allowed them to become strong and expand, also, I remember you, by granting only a "social citizenship", not proper real one, to subjects outside of latium.
As soon as carthage was destroyed, romans did not have enemies, they became wealthy, and started to look at foreign customs, like greek, which true roman people like Cato considered disgusting and degenerate. This different mind set brought the problem of social differences between plebs and patricians, the gracchi reforms, the civil war between marius and sulla, caesar and pompey, and octavian and mark anthony in seemingless succession. Ultimately, it lead to the empire, which with time became more and more degenerate and represents the root itself of the roman demise.
As a matter of fact we are repeating history, we are in the degenerate undecent part of roman history, and eventually I am conviced this will lead to the demise of western society and the possibility of starting from scratch once again
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>>152361903
vote lega or fdi
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>>152361566
>what is hundreds of rebellions and genocides to stop those rebellions
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This is such a retarded argument. Roman was a white empire that ethnically cleansed inferior peoples with chad coloniae. The ME of the time was still white in the sense that Lebs and Jews are white. They didnt have arabs or africans in their empire in any big amounts.
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>>152364240
based
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>>152361566
They died because they accepted immigrants(barbarians), bribed them to be nonviolent and then crashed the economy with unlimited welfare(free korn), causing the biggest chimp out in history.
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>>152361566
Rome wasn't a democracy, you fucking retard. And even though there were were elections for things like the senate, there was no UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE. Women could not vote. Slaves could not vote. Most minorities could not vote. It was akin to how voting rights worked in antebellum America. It also wasn't multicultural in the sense of all ethnicities being equal. Greco-Roman culture was the dominant force, and while minorities existed, their cultures did not have equal status. They were SUBJECTS. It's like saying the british empire, with conquered territory across the world, is the same as modern britain being invaded by niggers and pakis and pretending they're all equal.
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>>152361566
>When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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>>152362719
if the end result is that they stop being white and rich then what part of that constitutes working?
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>>152361566
Roman Empire was 52% land of its time that collapsed toe to excessive mongrelization.
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>>152363883
Over time the lead poisining would make them literal retards.
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>>152361566
Rome was ran by whites dumbfuck
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>>152364240
Senatus Populusque Italianus

Makes no sense to try and detach the population from the culture. Italians aren't Italians because of their culture but the genes of Italians gave birth to this culture. If this weren't true, there would be only a few cultures all over Europe and all the different people inside the Austrian Empire for example would have assimilated and not give birth to the modern South Slavic nations.

Will Italy still be Italy when only 50% of people will actually be Italians but others will be Italians because of the citizenship? What about if only 10% were genetically Italians? The culture would be totally different and it wouldn't be an Italian culture.

If current migration trends don't stop and we keep all the immigrants, by 2050 around 20% will be Muslim. Will they still be Italians and have Italian culture? The answer is no.
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>>152363883
>FUN FACT: The Romans actually used lead pipes to transport some of the water into Rome because they didn't know the metal could fuck you up, some people think this is why they became retarded and crashed the empire. Who would win? Strongest Empire to ever exist at the time or some lead pipes?

The lead pipes were rather safe, they quickly become layered in minerals and stuff that prevent any leaching into water

HOWEVER

The romans used lead acetate to sweeten their food and thus poison themselves. The recipe called for boiling he grapes in lead pot to give it a sweet taste..
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>>152364713
Multiculturalism as in Italians, Frogs and Germans. They've been alright for the last 4 centuries, all still speaking their own languages, not much strife between them. Basically, multiculturalism works as long as everyone involved is white, they leave each other alone and they promise to defend one another if outsiders start getting aggressive
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>>152364665
>pic semi-related
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>>152364512
Thank you my friend, everytime I open threads about roman empire on /pol I cannot help but cringe at times, amerimutts 95% of the times do not even remotely know what they are talking about it's good to know there are people with a decent knowledge of roman history and society here.
The true splendor of rome in my opinion was during the early republican period, when the society was stern, based and sound. It did not collapse until centuries later, but this is only because the "machine" it was was so perfect and well oiled it continued to run for inertia. The problems that would have lead to its eventual demise had deep, far deeper roots that stemmed ever since the late republican period.
Nowadays it's the same, we are just in the middle of the storm this didn't start today
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>>152364240
The end of your rant

>we are in the degenerate perood of rome.

Very true, i speak with many people about this. Liberals think degeneracy is progress and acceptance. Those who dont know history are doomed to repeat it. Its fucking mind boggling how retarded these libs are getting!
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>>152365107
Well, i guess thst makes you a white nationalist. Kek.
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>>152365107
I agree with you, and it goes without saying, this holds true not only for italy but for the rest of europe. The only thing I would like to say though, is to not act as if Italy was an homogeneous ethnic and cultural state, we are not, we have never been and never will, protecting what binds us together as one nation is right, but it is also important to consider and value all of our differences, there is a huge difference between someone as near as rome and naples, both genetically and culturally, it is important to remember this and preserve also this type of difference.
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>>152365134
glutony, ofc
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>>152365188
Exactly. What book is this, btw?

The overal summary is that the only way of making a "multicultural" society work is with a very rigid hierarchy of dominance. Imperialism, Fascism, something like that. Equality and multiculturalism don't mix.
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>>152361566
>Rome
>multicultural society
Rome was destroying and assimilation/absorbing other culture for centuries. There is nothing multicultural about it.
Rome was unironically extremist civic nationalist society and after Caracalla Severan basically made everyone living in Roman borders a roman citizen, it started what was a slow decline. By end of 4th century Roman Noble class was amerimutt tier mongrels obsessed with christian pacifism and morality.
This was one of big reasons why Rome fell, It absorbed so much foreign to Roman ideals cultures that by death of Flavian dynasty, Rome was ruled by Punic-Syrian-Roman Severan family which was the final even slightly roman, they added tons of aramaic culture into Imperial cult, that it was unrecognizable anymore. Severans basically started "The Crisis of Third Century" with their military spending and degenerate inbred rulers, it basically ended the empire.

The only period when Rome actually worked was durring Roman Republic, Julio-Claudian dynasty, Flavian dynasty and Nerva–Antonine dynasty when Rome was still ruled by mostly Romans.
Cato the Elder was right in the end...
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>>152365346
This type of weakness and degeneracy we see spreading today is what ultimately lead ancient societies to die. First the Greeks, after becoming wealthy their philosophers such as socrates, plato and arystotles spoke openly about the degeneracy of society, and how it would have lead to its destruction. Socrates died at the hands of that same society, but arystotles lived long enough to see those words come true, when finally Philip II of makedonia, a barbarian, invaded greece, paving way to his son Alexander, later destroyed by that same degeneracy Arystotles, his teacher, tried to warn him about.
Later romans started to adopt those same degenerate customs, with many true citizens of the Vrbe trying to stop that process, such as cato, but gradually and overwhelmingly they took foot in society, much like today, leading to its demise.
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>>152361566
>multicultural is the same as multiethnic
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>>152366420
THIS
They were from diferent ethnics, but all had the same culture
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>>152361566
>”HEY GUISE! THIS ONE IRRELEVANT COUNTRY WITH AN INCREDIBLY SMALL POPULATION AND NEAR ENDLESS RESOURCES ISNT TOTALLY DESTROYED! THAT MEANS /POL/ IS COMPLETELY BTFO AND MULTICULTURAL SOCIETIES WORK ALL THE TIME!!!
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>>152366282
Even if the empire had some good parenthesis, it was full blown degenerate as an istitution itself and there are no fully "good" dynasties. Even the julio-claudian one you present, had yes Augustus and Claudius, both good emperors, but Caligula, Nero and Tiberius were all renown and sigusting degenerates, paving way to the many that would have come after, namely Caracalla
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>>152365601
I'm no white nationalist or whatever. I think every nation should have a place in this world. So I don't want shitty cultures where I live to destroy the country I live in. I actually do realize that some cultures are superior even to European ones like Chinese and Japanese. Though if you try to make your country diverse and push for it and try to convince people to mix then you give birth to a new more homogeneous population and you lose your initial diversity. I don't understand how the left but even some centre-right parties, see Sarkozy which is a retard, doesn't see the dissonance in their vision.

I'm not even Italian. I'm Russian. I came here because I loved the culture so I convinced my father to convince his company to relocate him here.

I'm well aware how genetics works. Saying that culture is independent from your genes is bullshit. Genes and culture develop concurrently and influence each other so there's a tight feedback loop. Change the changes and you change the culture, there are no buts.

The part of Russia where I lived was shit so I didn't bring my culture here because I wanted this country to stay Italian. Africans and Asians are shitheads and bring their toxic culture here and try to make it dominant especially Muslims. They don't realize that it's their toxic culture that created their shitty countries but they can't see it because the culture is literally in their genes, well at least the majority of their culture is influenced by their genes.

>>152365700
Actually there are diversity indexes and Italy is very homogeneous. The diversity between Italians is very small but even small differences can give birth to different cultures. The differences between humans and chimpanzees is only 1% genetically. We aren't chimpanzees.

That's why Italy is homogeneous and already diverse at the same time. You don't need to insert more diversity in Italy because it will make the country unstable and hard to govern.
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>>152366282
They didn't give everyone citizenship until what? The 3rd or 4th century IIRC? And that's when things started declining too.

And even then, even if it were "multiculturalism" in the modern sense, it's nowhere near as extreme. 2000 years ago, the ancient peoples of north africa, egypt, the levant, and anatolia were whiter than they are now. The current peoples there are a result of tons of mixing from niggers/arabs/turkics/mongols/etc after tons of slave trade and arabian/asian invasions. If anything, the ancient peoples of north africa and the levant looked more like modern Sardinians, which are essentially unmixed pure "neolithic farmer" phenotype.

Not "nordic" or any of that bullshit, but these ancient peoples were of a more mediterannean phenotype. You can still see traces of this in certain groups like how maronite lebanese and alawite syrians look "whiter" than the typical shitskins.
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>>152361566
It was an Empire, not a nation. Empires work because there is one race dominating others and I'm sure it helps when ethnic groups are confined in places far away that they occupied for centuries instead of today where we displace said ethnic groups to a country they've never belonged to.
Empires are by definition multicultural, well done OP
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>>152366738
I think part of the problem with regards to the dynasties themselves is that many emperors didn't have kids of their own, and successors to the throne were often adoptees.

I think dynasties bound by blood are more important because much of what it takes to be a good leader, IMO, is in the blood. Good stock is good stock, and there's a reason why certain lineages rise to the top and become the rulers in the first place
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>>152364240
Excellent Post Italiabro. Nice to see someone posting good info. I, too, hate the ignorance so common in threads about ancient Roman history. Hopefully all these sweet summer children read this post so they can stop posting stupid shit.
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>>152361566

They had slaves, though.
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>>152366181
THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM (1932)

>Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual.
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>>152365229
Publik skools have scant attention to history, especially classical, and Latin is all but abolished at the secondary level.

People don't even know people like Sulla or Cincinnatus anymore.
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>>152365229
>The true splendor of rome in my opinion was during the early republican period, when the society was stern, based and sound.
absolutely

for me one of the most powerful examples of this is the ritual of Devotio, an absolute testimony of the spiritual strength of these people

>Once the battle was engaged, the left wing began to falter and Decius Mus called upon the Pontifex Maximus, M. Valerius, to tell him the means by which to save the army. The pontifex prescribed the required ritual acts and a prayer (for which see devotio).[2] After performing the ritual, the fully armored Decius Mus plunged his horse into the enemy with such supernatural vigor and violence that the awe-struck Latins soon refused to engage him, eventually bringing him down with darts. Even then, the Latins avoided his body, leaving a large space around it; and so the left wing of the Romans, once faltering, now swept into this weakness in the enemy lines. Manlius, conducting the right wing, held fast, allowing the Latins to use up their reserves, before crushing the enemy host between the renewed left and Samnite foederati at their flank, leaving only a quarter of the enemy to flee.
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>>152366658
american education everyone
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>>152361566
They force their culture and erased the conquered through the process called as romanization. Plus citizenship weren't free, either through lineage or earning.
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>>152363207
>>152366596
>As the Romans extended their dominance throughout the Mediterranean world, their policy in general was to absorb the deities and cults of other peoples rather than try to eradicate them,[4] since they believed that preserving tradition promoted social stability.[5] One way that Rome incorporated diverse peoples was by supporting their religious heritage, building temples to local deities that framed their theology within the hierarchy of Roman religion
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>>152365700
Also Italy is already too diverse. Some economists actually measured economic diversity and genetic diversity and found out that if the population is too genetically diverse, economic development halts and even reverses which explains why so many African countries are shitholes but if you are not enough genetically diverse then your economy develops very slowly. So there's a an equilibrium, a middle ground.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262934/

Too diverse countries are also very hard to govern, control and there are a lot of studies which shows that multiculturalism but even ethnic diversity decreases volunteering work, trust between people, cooperation, and so on.
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>>152367354
Nope. See >>152367411
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>>152363207
>>152363990
>>152364240
>>152363990
>the moment that mutt of Caracalla gave out citizenship like candy is the exact moment the Empire was doomed, sadly enough

Then how do you explain Rome improving and stabilizing in the 4th century after the 3rd century crisis?

The barbarization of the army created a stronger more multi skilled force with far superior Calvary than the earlier imperial times.
Rome had suffered a huge population decline in the 3rd century from plagues and civil war and welcomed new potential citizens to prop up the population and have a bigger tax base. Nobody wanted to return to the 3rd century inflation and as long as the Germanic tribes wanted to be Roman and earn their citizenship it wasn't a problem.
The problem occurs when tribes like the Goths and huns wanted gibs but didnt want to be Roman.The Goths beat the Romans in open battle and so dictated terms of their settlement so of course they never integrated and made themselves special snowflakes.Literally identity politics in the ancient world.
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>>152363990
>>bring hundreds of thousands of Germanic barbarians into your Empire and train them to fight in your army
It was either that or deal with the Germanics + The Huns assravaging everything in sight + your already shithole of an economy crashing to the ground (Western Rome's income was only about 10% of the East's, perhaps even lower)
>>act surprised when they continuously rebel and sack your cities, even your capital.
The Goths first revolted due to the stupidly horrendous conditions that the Romans had put them in camps (Sound familiar?)
Also you appear to be ignoring the fact that Stilicho's army primarily consisted of Goths employed after crushing King Radagaisus, and were dead loyal to Stilicho (Who was a Half-Vandal by the by) and began to follow/support Alaric due to the fact that the Romans began a massive pogrom on the Goths after the execution of Stilicho, murder of their family members and confiscation of property, some were even sold to slavery after Radagaisus was defeated, so they saw this as an opportunity to be free, the only thing these fags wanted was a living space and the arrival of Huns is considered the reason why they moved "westwards", to avoid the Huns.
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the moment the romans lost power of their empire was when it was starting to collapse. so yeah, multiculturalism doesnt work
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>>152361566
>Literally haveing the proverb When in Rome do as Romans do
>Multicultural
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>>152367227
Interesting anecdote I was not aware of it
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>>152361566

You realise once monoracialism ended the empire was on a steep decline well within 100 years

rome is the ultimate redpill
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>>152364240
>based on community duty
Back then when ethnic roman were actually the soldiers the effectiveness and discipline was outstanding. But since the ethnic romans grew rich and lazy and they instead recruited barbarians to supplement the lack of recruits things went downhill.
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>>152366738
Flavian Dynasty was perfect even Domitian was ok :^)
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>>152367227
*Blocks your leadership*
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>>152361903
Judah collapsed from multiculturism too.
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>>152367644
G*rmanic scum belong on the cross.
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>>152367573
>Then how do you explain Rome improving and stabilizing in the 4th century after the 3rd century crisis?
what's there to explain? the state was clearly collapsing, the fact that it managed to last a little more before completely going down the shitter is not really a counter evidence of anything, if anything it shows how resilient was the old Roman state

the army getting stronger is not a good sign by itself when it's near anarchy level in terms of organization
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>>152364920
So these emperors were white?

>Septimus Severus (Punic)
>Geta & Caracalla (Punic + Syrian)
>Elagalabus (Syrian)
>Alexander Severus (Syrian)
>Philip the Arab (Syrian)
>Aemilianus (Moor)
>Macrinus (Berber)
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>>152367995
*Blocks your non beadyness*
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>>152367868
>people use her as evidence for Celtic warrior women
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>>152367604
Also I forgot to add Alaric didn't just come in and "Muh bix nood mofugga I'mma sack Rome instantly lmao". He actually tried negotiating with the Romans but they kept refusing his demands because they were expecting reinforcements like retard. AFter the second siege and preparation for negotiations, a retarded Roman general surprise attacked Alaric and his forces (resulting in failure). Obviously Alaric was pissed after failing negotiations with the fags for a third time so he sacked Rome, after besieging it a total of three times.
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>>152367573
A relative moment of stability does not mean a rebirth of society, as a matter of fact even the 4th century was plagued by intestine wars, religious and social problems and differences, and contributed to the ultimate defeat of the empire as more and more focal point of the roman society weakened.
As a matter of fact rome was not even anymore capital of the empire, it was moved to milan first and then ravenna
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>>152368330
Regards to Alaric's demands he basically wanted tribute and some land for the Goths to settle in, that was basically one of the things Alaric strived for.
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>>152361566
you misspelled cultural supremacy.
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>>152367868
You do realize she got overwhelmingly defeated and because of her ethnic britons suffered a genocide?
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>>152368393
Alaric was a good leader and chieftain, smart enough to abandon the ship before the disaster, yet I do not understand why you are keeping to bring him up
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>>152367573
>barbarization of the army created a stronger more multi skilled force with far superior Calvary than the earlier imperial times.
>the Goths beat the Romans in open battle
So it wasn't even worth Barbarizing the force since it wasn't elite and got beat by random savages.
Sulla and Caesar used to take on 3-1 odds against Barbarians and win with fully Latin forces.
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JUST
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>>152368035
>old Roman state
It was done by reform not resilience alone.4th Century was far from collapsing.The walls of Constantinople was constructed then and the economy was good.

The 5th century is when it went rapidity to shit from 410AD the legions abandoning Britannia to 476 AD The western roman empire falling.
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Rome was populated originally from outcasts and criminals. They tricked the Sabines and stole their women because they didn't have enough. Rome was constantly absorbing ethnicities FROM JUMP. Seeing ethnicity as a deciding factor whether in Rome or today is myopic and simple.
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>>152368814
BEcause most people I've met and talked to seem to have this idea that Alaric just came in and sacked everything with no form of negotiation, so just wanted to clarify.
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>>152363073
>Failed
>lasted a thousand years
>the basis for your governmental and judicial systems
Oy vey
>>152361802
Roman society always accepted outsiders, a tradition upheld since Romulus.
They also extended Roman citizen to nearby towns expanding their own pool of manpower reserves.
The key is these new arrivals were thoroughly romanized, unlike the swarms of the later empire.
>>152363891
>Rome
>no kikes
The Romans are the ones who disperse the kikes in the first place, when Hadrian destroyed their temple.
>>152364240
The adoption of Greek was a sympton, not the cause. An expansionistic Rome could not remain a direct vote citizen soldier state at its current technology level. Generals and their soldiers went. On campaign for years, make the latter more loyal too their general than to their state themselves.
Cato was a remarkable hypocrit, denouncing Greek culture while steeping his lifestyle with it.
>>152364498
>making shit up
>>152364665
Universal suffrage is not a prerequisite for democracy kike.
The Roman Empire had a tradition of extending citizenship to allied states. One of the reasons they were able to keep losing to Pyrrhus and Hannibal and still come out victorious.
>>152366776
Extending citizenship was a tradition since the founding of Rome. Making very one in the empire a citizen was likely a tax grab.
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>>152362719
>Multicultural societies
>Switzerland
What fucking world do you live in??
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>>152368919
the east is one thing, the west is another, the collapse of "Rome" is very much a synonym with the collapse of the west, usually

also needless to say, I hardly consider the east "Roman" just because what little was left of the Roman state was moved there, the Empire was already unrecognizeable by the time of Constantine
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>>152362129
Yeah, but they're from Bangladesh, Sudan, and Nigeria.
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>>152361566
What made the Roman Empire fall? Barbarians. Fuck off shill.
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>>152361566
>slavery doesn't wor-
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ITT: Gauls, Sicels, Greeks, Oscans, and Etruscans larp as Romans
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>>152368919
nono its the degeneracy and the gibs
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>>152368865
We got our own back with Constantine III.. Now apologise for what you did to our people, apologise right now.
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>>152368376
>a century
>relative moment of stability
compare that to the crisis of the 3rd century


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjdlri6rJGI
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>>152368991
>Openly ignoring the fact rome is in latium and sabines lived in latium mountains
>claiming people from the same genetic makeup and region had different ethnicity and culture despite having same gods, language and traditions
>amerimutt flag

yea checks out
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>>152363207
>I believe you can be any race
Congratulations, you just doomed your nation too.
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>>152369083
How is it not, they speak three different languages and maintain different traditions. Multicultural doesn't mean brown people
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>>152367868
I got something for that horrid cunt
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>>152369256
Yes wh*te barbarians
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>>152369047
He tried to avoid war and conflict at all costs, he just wanted a safe place for himself and his people before the coming storm. Although he was betrayed by rome he still tried to obtain what he needed in a peaceful way, Roman society at the time was deluded and did not understand the true degenerates were them at , and not the barbarian tribes anymore.
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>>152369683
Come get me you little bitch.
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>>152369799
That's sort of what I'm trying to say.
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>>152368848
If your battle friends are of the same cloth you think nothing of cutting down the savage. If your battle friend is of the savage he hesitates cutting his cloth at your expense.
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>>152369834
*Blocks Advance*
Ha, nothing personnel kid
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It wasn't a single 'society'. It was multiple, largely homogenous, societies under a larger banner. Except the main city. Which...well, you know what happened.
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>>152369538
>region had different ethnicity and culture despite having same gods, language and traditions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisalpine_Gaul
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>>152367995

Beware the Eternal Hun Caesar....
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>>152367868
this was one crazy bitch
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>>152361566
They were all Eurasiatic...
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hahaha funny in this 3d the germanics aryans are now random savages
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>>152369538
it's quite interesting how Italics are probably one of the only people who receive this sort of divisive treatment despite being divided into different but closely related tribes no differently from how Germanics, Gauls or pretty much any ancient people of Europe were
it's particularly funny coming from people who may claim their ancestors founded the kingdom of the Franks, when technically speaking they most likely belonged to a different Germanic tribe
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>>152369538
He is right

Romans were mongrels, there was even a Roman author who said that it was now impossible to find a pure Roman on the street of Rome
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>>152370078
How dare Thee
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>>152369963
>>152370132
*Burns two Roman cities down*
Ha, nothing personality hun.
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>>152369067
About citizenship, you forget the citizenship granted by rome when it worked was a social citizenship, which did not allow to vote or be voted in elections,this was a very efficient system to gather people in the roman machine while safeguarding true roman's rights. So much so I believe it is a potentially very good solution even for today's immigration

>The adoption of Greek was a sympton, not the cause. An expansionistic Rome could not remain a direct vote citizen soldier state at its current technology level. Generals and their soldiers went. On campaign for years, make the latter more loyal too their general than to their state themselves.
Cato was a remarkable hypocrit, denouncing Greek culture while steeping his lifestyle with it.

About greek I 100% agree, it was adopted because it adapted to the increasingly degenerate lifestyle, and corresponded and fit to the general forma mentis of the roman society at the time.

About cato, don't touch him desu he is one of my idols.
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>>152370030
>sabines romans, both in latium
>links to etruscans and cisalpine gaul

LoL what?

>>152370200
Yea sure in 600 bc like the amerimutt is suggesting
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>>152370264
*Builds Wall*
MRGA
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>>152370705
If you build it, they won't come!
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>>152369598
Language is not the totality of culture. Even if it were, German, French, and Italian cultures aren't fundamentally different enough to qualify Switzerland as a "multicultural society."

Surface level aesthetics aside, they're all western european, christian/athiest nations that share the same foundational governmental structures and ideas of how society should be structured and run.
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>>152361566
WE WAZ SENATORS AND SHIET
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>>152361566
Thank (((Christianity))) for the destruction of Rome.
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>>152361566
multicultural =/= multiethnic , also there was no equality of cultures roman culture was supreme you either integrated or got fucked
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>>152371049
>the more christian half lasted longer
What did he mean by this?
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>Another argument — and do not take this as said by way of censure or reproach of you Romans, but only from necessity — is the fact that the Alban race has to this day continued the same that it was under the founders of the city, and one cannot point to any race of mankind, except the Greeks and Latins, to whom we have granted citizenship; whereas you have corrupted the purity of your body politic by admitting Tyrrhenians, Sabines, and some others who were homeless, vagabonds and barbarians, and that in great numbers too, so that the true-born element among you that went out from our midst p43 is become small, or rather a tiny fraction, in comparison with those who have been brought in and are of alien race...

>Why, even for your kings you choose outsiders, and the greatest part of your senate consists of these newcomers; and to none of these conditions can you assert that you submit willingly. For what man of superior rank willingly allows himself to be ruled by an inferior? It would be great folly and baseness, therefore, on our part to accept willingly those evils which you must own you submit to through necessity. 6 My last argument is this: The city of Alba has so far made no alteration in any part of its constitution, though it is already the eighteenth generation that it has been inhabited, but continues to observe in due form all its customs and traditions; whereas your city is still without order and discipline, due to its being newly founded and a conglomeration of many races, and it will require long ages and manifold turns of fortune in order to be regulated and freed from those troubles and dissensions with which it is now agitated. But all will agree that order ought to rule over confusion, experience over inexperience, and health over sickness; and you do wrong in demanding the reverse."
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>>152370871
The former looks actually more secure than the other since the sides are also guarded to an extent
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>>152371049
I know brother
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>>152361903
yep
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>>152371139
that's the last emperor of the West.
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>>152370264
It's a big Island.
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>>152371151
You'd think, but remember that the roman line extends far past what is seen in the picture.
As seen here >>152369963
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>>152371262
Sheeeeeit...
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>>152371120
Completely false.

Romans didn't try to assimilate or romanize or latinize anyone.

The only thing Romans tried to do is say that there is only one religion so they actually respected customs in various provinces but only if they adhered to Roman law when necessary. Romans even left people to have their own tribunals and only meddled when deemed necessary.

Now about religion. Romans brought various gods to Rome and told people that it was always part of the pantheon. They basically tried to unify all religions.

You can't do this anymore now. No Muslim will want to unify their religion with Christianity for example.
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Rome had iron teeth and chewed up the cultures around it, it didn't live side by side with them
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>>152371572
Resting place as seen here
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>>152371490
They didn't try to because they treated them all like trash and murdered or enslaved them if they tried to rise up. Even in Italy there were tons of tribes who were never treated well and it led to the Social War.
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Crucifying thousands of people on a hillside is the most multicultural thing you can do. All peoples great and small with their arms outstretched. Diversity is our strength
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>>152371642

Imagine living in rome in like the 1400s. All these ruins from a great past and nobody gives a shit about it or knows how to maintain them. Like living in a post-post apocalypse setting and having a flat in Tower Bridge.
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>>152371490
how does this invalidate my point just because they tried to create a mega religion dosent mean they allowed dissent
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>>152371960
Roman genius was getting all that civilization shit out of the way early so they could relax and eat spaghetti
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>>152361566
-rk.

and even if they did work, why do I have to live in one? I prefer that other people do not make those decisions for my life, particularly if the society they desire to change, was not multicultural before.
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>>152372138
Never forgetti
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>>152367227
>You weren't named Manlius
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>>152372138
10/10
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...Anonymous (ID: 9MFnXrVX)
12/07/17(Thu)15:25:40 No.152372128
Rome was a multiethnic, multilingual and multireligious state. But it wasn't multicultural in the sense that chattering classes want Western countries to be. There was a universal rule of law, no "these are no true barbarians" or "visigoths welcome" shit. The chattering classes expect the West to accommodate de facto ethnic enclaves whose values and laws conflict or even totally contradict the host's. Romans would have crucified the motherfucker who dared propose that.
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>>152369181
Byzaboo shitskins triggered in 3... 2...
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>>152364240
>>152365229
you seem to be pretty well versed in this subject, any good books you'd recommends for someone who is starting to read about Rome? I have a very basic idea of what happened and know the most famous romans like Sulla,Augustus,Caesar,Theodosius, Constantine , etc. but still pretty much clueless about specifiic details/certain occurrences.
I'd very much appreciate your help (I know this isn't a book thread but i'm planning on making one in the future when I finish what im reading)
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>>152366741
>I'm no white nationalist or whatever. I think every nation should have a place in this world
Propaganda aside, that is literally what white nationalism is about. You've been lied too.
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>>152372063
Romans didn't want people to integrate even if some of them did themselves, especially rich people because to do business you had to learn the language, the customs, laws, integrate basically.

>>152371744
Nah, they treated them pretty well actually. You were treated like trash only if you revolted or destroyed "public peace". Romans were obsessed with "public peace". Basically just respect Roman laws.
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>>152369491
How can neokikes even compete
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>>152373050
Christianity was to Rome what Islam is now to Europe. Shitheads from Middle East came and spread their retarded religion then decline ensued, same will happen to Europe again.
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>>152372465
Gibbon. It's very dense but read the first three volumes including the 16th chapter. Best place to start is with one of the grandest books of history ever written.

"Ideas and Men" by Crane Brinton for an overview of intellectual history of the west.

Good reading to you, and let us know what you're thinking and learning.
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>>152361566
Rome was also a militant, authoritarian empire that genocided whole populations.

But hey don't let the details bother you.
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>>152372465
I'm sorry but I could not give you a very specific answer, I think I am historically knowledgeable but when it comes to Rome half of it comes from the countless books I read on my own, and the fact that I frequented an high school where I had to study latin for 5 years, first two only the language, for the other 3 translating ancient texts and studying every single author since the foundation up until its demise.
Also I live in Latium, the alban hills to be precise, and therefore the other 50% of the knowledge I have comes from the simple fact I have always lived here, know the region, visited every single place, both in rome and out. Many ancient ways of life, legends and traditions still exist today in latium and I cannot imagine someone who does not live here to have the same level of understanding.
For example ever since I was young people talked about the forest here, how it was believed to be the home of the goddess Diana, and how our lake still to this day is called "the mirror of diana" because of that, how at 4 they made me climb the mountain to her ancient temple, how the roads here are called like ancient latin heroes ecc. ecc. I don't have books to reccomend I "just" live here, it's my land.
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>>152367473
Thanks for the source, pastabro. This is a pretty interesting read.
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>>152367537
>One refers to gradual cultural assimilation-the exact opposite of 'multiculturalism.'
>The other refers to Romans allowing recently conquered rats to keep their superstitions so they wouldn't revolt.
KYS.
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>>152373050
>>152373236
Anyone have that meme where it's in the future and the guy says the last unmixed Europeans should go back to Christianity and they all sperg at him and say Islam is European
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>>152373050
there wer probably at best 3 good christian emperors and even they had their own shortcomings.
>Constantine, Valentinian and Majorian... that's it...
Most other emperors were degenerates like Honorius who cared more about chickens and barbarian slaves/prisoners then the empire itself.

Just makes you think what would have happened if Julian was successful in the east and stayed alive for rest of 4th century...
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>>152361566
>literally collapsed due to mass immigration, population replacement and migrants refusal to integrate
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>>152373487
a fucking leaf
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>>152367573
>Rome improving and stabilizing in the 4'th Century
The Empire was falling apart, that's the very century when it got too expensive to simply maintain the empire it was split into two. Hell, Christianity was adopted just to eradicate the myriad of regional pagan beliefs that fueled uprisings and nationalist beliefs, centering the faith on Rome just to maintain political power. And the Germans were a fairly untrustworthy and undisciplined batch of Auxiliaries, only employed thanks to the gradual decline of the Roman Legion into a glorified nigger-tier militia.
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>>152361566
if you think roman "multiculturalism" is anything like modern multiculturalism, you are sorely mistaken

it was little more than one culture lording over the others because of military conquest
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>>152373406
Thank you! You mean
>The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
right? I reckon its a good place to start.
>>152373603
Thank you, and yeah, I sort of understand there isn't a single magic book that grants you all knowledge, specially on such a complex area like History is. What the other anon said is true, rarely do you see someone who knows what he's talking about in /pol/ when mentioning History, so I took the chance to ask!
I'd like to visit too, I think the feeling of seeing something you read about on books must feel incredible, like seeing the David by Michelangelo, yes you can see it online but it's not the same at all, I know exactly what you mean, living there and being able to sort of experience remnants of the history of the place is a great way to not onnly motivate you but also grant you a greater understanding. It is a valuable bond you posses with your land, I wish more people had your mindset nowadays
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>>152361566
There were no muslims back then
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>>152361566
Brought down by the Jews with their degeneracy and multicultural undermining of society. Great example, bring up Egypt or Babylon or Britain or America next please.
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>>152361566
>el goblino education

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju-WrZaPH9o
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>>152373487
Sounds like a good time.
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>>152374101
Thanks man
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>>152373050
Fuckers got lazy
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You don't know anything.

To a great degree, Romans never had any bit of respect for other cultures. They tolerated their gods, but not so much (the statues of Egyptian gods were forbidden in the Eternal City for a long time, since their cult was too popular and there was risk they would surpass the cult of Greco-Roman gods). They only tolerated those who respected them back, and showed no hesitation when destryoing the whole city, architecture and art of their enemies. This is why so little remainss of the Etruscans.

Not only that, but as soon as Roman society and THE ARMY became multiculti, the empire started to crumble.
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>>152369083
>burgernigger thinks he can school others about foreign countries
every time lmao
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>>152361566
*collapses*
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>>152375272
Perché erano italiani e tutto il mondo sa che i pittori e scultori italiani sono megliori degli altri.
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>>152375739
*meglio

Fix'd.
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>>152367573
Propping an economy with migrants will lead to short term gains and long term destruction. You can plainly see this today.
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>>152361903

History repeats itself.
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Btw, one should also add that Roman multiculturalism was very selective.

They didn't just adopt the ways of Sri Lanka or whatever. Instead, they only adopted the ways of the superior Greek civilization, and, later on, the luxury of the Orientals. The ways of the inferior, pale barbarians only were added when those barbarians themselves entered (in order to destroy) the Empire.
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>>152371490
its not completely false most conquered peoples went through a process of romanization.

Romance languages are in France Spain Portugal and Romania so Latin did completely replace the native tongue in these areas
>>152374365
>too expensive to simply maintain the empire it was split into two

Diocletian's Tetrarchy admistrative spilt strengthened the empire and made it more stable

>In spite of these failures and challenges, Diocletian's reforms fundamentally changed the structure of Roman imperial government and helped stabilize the empire economically and militarily, enabling the empire to remain essentially intact for another 150 years despite being near the brink of collapse in Diocletian's youth.
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>>152375774
Unfortunately, not popping it can just lead to short-term destruction from which you will never recover.
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>>152376106
That happened naturally. The process also didn't replace the local languages but they just fused. Romans didn't force it on anyone.
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>>152375770
Ma sei italiano? Migliori in quel caso andava bene, non scritto megliori però.
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>>152376483
>happened naturally
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>>152376483
True.

What Romans often did was to send their soldiers to other places, so they would racemix with the local races (blonde girls love Mediterranean men) and have Romanized children. Even the brother of that sad, Merkel-tier piece of shit Hermann was romanized. Good thing Germans don't celebrate that sad idiot anymore. He chose to stay with his barbarian friends instead of the Romans, like his intelligent brother had done, and then they poisoned him, hehehehe. So much for loyalty!

Also, every single German with a brain (rare thing, I know, but still) immediately recognized the superiority of the Roman culture. People think Alaric was some sort of big enemy of the empire, for instance, but he only wanted to play a bigger role in it and the sack of Rome was nothing but a big REEEEE while the emperor was enjoying his stay in Ravenna.
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>>152365229
Id like to know more. why does this time in history look like a certain time in Rome. Id like specific examples of our laws and their's. How are they similar etc etc. That's If you're interested ofc.
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>>152376587
Non, sono brasiliano. Italo-brasiliano, per essere un po piu esatto (non ho la cittadinanza, ma voglio ottenerla nel futuro.)
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>>152369083

>b..but they all white bois how can they be muticultural?
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>>152377696
How did you learn italian?I've been struggling a lot with it.
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>>152377484
how could I explain to you burger? It is a very complicated and extensive subject, it is just a pattern that I recognize taking place when you see it in detail, look for example at homosexuality, the increasing wealth, the absence of actual life threatening wars and more like a business economy of war made by small conflicts. All of this leads to a bigger focus on the individual and not society, poor people remain poor, richer people become richer, before long the system will either change or collapse like it did with the gracchi, optimates and populares. It is just a circle we're living through once again
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>>152372465
DOn't read Gibbon. Its rejected by historians today, including skeptics and athiests because it just blames Catholics for everything. Read primary sources like Plutarch and Livy. Read Cato's own works, read julius Caesar, read Cicero's letters or speeches.
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>>152378129
traditions are rejected, a more hedonistic lifestyle is pursued, as a whole the society gets weakened, ready to be taken advantage by ambitious people, and further in the future, by foreign populations. The real difference I find between us and them is that you have to throw the jewish influence in the mix, it's them pushing for this process
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>>152377374
im not disagreeing with you that the garrison mixed with the locals but you misunderstanding that Rome wasn't an ethnicity.The Garrison at hadrian's wall were at one point manned by Syrians.The 9th legion in Britain was from Spain.
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>>152378044
I didn't struggle at all. I just got a book, a dictionary and started to read. I used Indro Montanelli's Storia dell'Italia series, which is very light and entertaining read.

My only previous acquaintance with the language came from the very few words my father taught me when I was a kid (though he doesn't speak the language either), some twenty or so Fellini movies, and a few songs by Fabrizio di Andre and the old classics of Caruso (though those not really Italian, but the Naples dialect).
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>>152378324
As a I said I cannot give you specifics,( to the argentinian guy), but the burger is right, ancient sources are more accurate although biased, get a grip on the main history through mainsteam sources and then start reading what the actual people said. De bello gallico, de bello civilis, life of the caesars ecc. are good sources.
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>>152373050
This is just selective bullshit.There's some pretty bad statues of Julius Caesar and men like Sulla and Marius and Cato the younger. Six statues won't tell you everything about the art style and Constantine has some really good bronze busts. And that one here is actually a great stone bust that's just a small picture and it's fuzzy
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>>152378324
Gibbon is a very great writer, however. It can be used as an introduction, so you can get an overview of the period while enjoying his incredible mastery of the English language. But after you finish his works you should look for more accurate writers instead.

Also not recommended if you don't have the time, as his work is probably twice as big as War and Peace.
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>>152361566
Are you serious? West Rome collapsed because it Had so much Germans migrating to it and revolts to secede from it.
Why are Americans constantly proving the stereotype that they are stupid right?
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>>152361903
Roman "citizenship" wasn't the same as, say, what we are doing right now.
The romans made sure their colonies acted roman and integrated their customs and gods with theirs.
If you raped a woman in modern-day Europe, you would either go to jail and get released or face no consequences.
If a bunch of gauls got too uppity, the romans would send a legion, wipe out the rebels then burn said village to the ground.
This is the equivalent of a bunch of muslims in a majority muslim majority neighborhood in France attacking people and France deciding to send the French Army to raze said city to the ground.

>>152364240
How was Greece degenerate if the Eastern Roman Empire lasted longer then the West? The romans were latins LARPing as greeks anyway.
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>>152378621
Sai leggere il latino?

I never read the Roman historians, as punishment for not knowing Latin. I'm going on a three months vacation now and I seriously consider memorizing St. Matthew in English, then reading it in Latin to see if I can absorb all the declensions without having to go through the bothersome work of memorizing them. I also got a bilingual Italian-Latin edition of Cattulus which I will also try to memorize.

I did the same with the French. Never read Camus, Verlaine, Mallarmé etc. until I got so ashamed that I taught myself how to read in that language. I've read Camus for the first time two weeks ago and I do not regret having waited so longo to read him in the original. Great writer.
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>>152369067
>>lasted a thousand years
And broke up the moment it became multicultural.
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>>152378621
>although biased
Because modern historian from 2016 or the Enlightenment is not biased, although are among the most the two most political times in history. Every historian and scholar has their own narrative good or evil. Reading primary sources is the ONLY way to read it unless it is a scholarly work on Archeology, that's great stuff, or maps. Read the Primary sources. If you have been on pol then you have the ability to read primary sources like Cicero's letters to Brutus or his speeches on Antony, Plutarhc's lives on Cato the younger and older and Crassus. Polybius ect ect. then you can smell the bullshit. They knew better than us what was going on in their own city. I agree that teh Civil war and th Gaulic war are both great sources ect. Seutonius is good at some points but historically taken with a grain of salt

>>152378914
>very great writer
Sure but he's not a good historian. the reason why Rome fell was tax eviasion and fraud, creating an expensive military state, getting into wars that they shouldn't, and people avoiding marriage and kids. Things that Catholics back then had sermons on encouraging to pay taxes have marriage, to fight barbarians, people like Ambrose and John of Chrysostom did this. The point is that people stopped giving a shit about money and crime and tradition, its not really about religion unless you want to blame the mystery cults which did degenerate drugs
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>>152372465
Empezá con algo general como "Los Romanos" de R. H. Barrow o "Historia Social de Roma" de Géza Alfoldy.
Después andá a las fuentes: Tito Livio, Tácito, Salustio, Plutarco.
Finalizá con el "Decline and Fall" de Gibbon.
Hope this helps.
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>>152379724
Gibbon is not accepted by modern scholarship since the primary reasons for fallign were not really about religious beliefs but money, unregulated sex, and politics
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>>152378928
I don't even know how they manage to be stupid among such money and prosperity. They have more public libraries than McDonald's restaurants.

My theory is that people like OP are probably 15 years old, and therefore don't know much about anything whatsoever. Why don't people of other countries do similar imbecilities, then? Well, because at 15 most of us were still learning English, and therefore we didn't post all that much on English-language forums.

This is also why the average Brazilian, or the average Venezuelan on the internet is much, much smarter than the average Brazilian in real life. The necesity of using a foreign language filters out the idiots. So a Brazilian on the internet will look smarter than an American, usually, but in real life it would be the opposite.
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>>152367995
kek

> this is what meds actually believe
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>>152361566
Currently taking a break from writing an 8 page report on the fall of the Roman Empire and I see this.
It worked when it was pagan and it worked because it was essentially fascist.
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>>152367868
She was a mad cunt that caused grief for her people by being a mad cunt
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>>152379352
I can, it is not something you improvize though, it is gramatically much more different and complex than modern romance languages, I studied it 5 years. You can try but you need solid grammatical sessions of study since it's not spoken I don't think it's possible to naturally absorb it like modern languages nowadays
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>>152373603
This anons, this is a relationship a man should have to his country and his people. Deeply knowledgeable, because from that respect comes love and from love comes the power to defend and cherish. This is why that old "blood and soil" cliché is so fucking important and this is why you should always decline those degenerates who want to move to other country.
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>>152380225
Ambrose was a literal facist and a doctor and saint of the Catholic church. Read his letters to the emperors
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>>152379857
I agree, but Gibbon is nevertheless a joy to read and an unavoidable reference on Rome's late history.
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>>152380307
thank you anon, this is why I always laugh at americans, even if they have good intentions they cannot understand what it means to have actual ties to a land, to know you and your community have ancestral ties in common. It is really something special and makes you inhabitant of the place much more than everybody else could be. Here we have practically not been touched at all by immigration since it is a very closed community near the mountains, but I fear for the future. When I was at school as a kid they taught me local legends and traditions, organizing school trips in the local temples ecc. As a teenager I studied our ancient language and literature. It pains me to hear instead that nowadays in the same schools they force kids to read ministry approved books about how they should be inclusive to african minorities, how they make them go in school trip to auschwitz instead of their local riches, it pains me a lot.
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>>152381077
>I agree, but Gibbon is nevertheless a joy to read and an unavoidable reference on Rome's late history.
You have no evidence since he has faulty evidence. What a waste of time.,
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>>152361903

This right here. Multiculturalism destroyed it. As did it to many other empires.
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>Rome
>Be multicultural
>Have official religion replaced by a sect of Judaism that causes a 1,000 year dark age
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>>152378592
How many years did it take you?
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>>152378129
no examples? maybe of 2 or 3 consecutive laws that show a decline that parallels our current society? I want somehting tangental... I dont want to just say ITS ROMA ALL OVER AGAIN and not be able to back it up. Only saying the behavior are similar wont be enough for other people.
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>>152380300
Well, I am pretty sure it isn't. However, I think it can probably be done by degrees. I notice that, after memorizing a few poems by Cattulus, I suddenly can understand a few mottos and common phrases that I didn't understand before.

I will always have to check the grammar once in a while, of course, but my goal is not to have to go through the whole of it, doing every single exercise until I die of boredom.

At any rate, I will really do my best to see if I can absorb it. I am very good at absorbing new languages, but completely terrible at working through a whole grammar book from the beginning until the end. English is also very different from Portuguese, and I only looked at the grammar occasionally while learning it. I'd say 90% of my knowledge comes from over-exposition to music, films, books etc.

If I can't read Latin by the age of 25, I will certainly see myself as a failure (I still have four more years, thankfully).
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>>152381434
Just skip chapters XV, XVI, where he blames Christianity.
Or just read it as a piece of literature, I don't think there's a greater prose witer than Gibbon.
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>>152362583
interesting claim. got sauce?
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>>152371019
>has isekai gone too far?
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>>152369491
Pax Romana best period obviously
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>>152382093
No he's a fedora. fedoras go on for ages talking about meaningless things trying to sound smart. His whole work is founded on blaming Catholics even thought the Middle ages were a great era to live in that preserved ROman culture. Just read the meme books like Caesar and Cicero. Then youll know the way Rome works
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>>152379541
Rome was always multicultural, all were accepted as long as they assimilated from the foundation of Rome. Early on they accepted all dregs of central Italy.
Stop projecting your theories onto history.
>>152371490
Roman tried to write themselves into Greek mythology by claiming to be descended from Trojans.
>>152370414
It was full citizenship, although diluted by the tribe system. Newly Roman cities were simply added into an existing tribe (one tribe, one vote) but that was more of a keep the plebs in line sort of deal.
We know it worked because these cities would never revolt when given the opportunity.
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>>152369083
peak american education.
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>>152367411
they would incorporate the other gods into their own religion, they wouldn't start worshiping themselves. Their religion said that every different group of people had a god, hell they though there was a god of different types of food.
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>>152374101
to be fair, Jesus talks about not treating everyone like shit and being a decent and good citizen. He also curses a bush for not being productive and making fruit and fights with some (((merchants))) for bringing their jewry into holy places.

mohammed was a lunatic pedo warlord who murdered and raped people and even some of his book reflect this.

Also those original (((pagan))) gods came from Greece and many of them from further East, if you think those gods promoted good civilized values look up Dionysus or read the Bacchae.

The only person who gives a shit about tradition in this story is a 19 year old, albeit he sounds like a fag sometimes, who is led into cross dressing and murdered by his whore mother by the god of booze and debauchery.

Good read.
http://musofyr.com/BacchaeStuff/Bacchaev.2.1.pdf
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>>152364149
The eagle is Jupiters animal
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>>152385956
>Rome was always multicultural, all were accepted as long as they assimilated from the foundation of Rome.

>multicultural
>as long as they assimilated
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>>152392029
There’s a difference
White aryan purity vs toga wearing Gauls
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Rome wasn't a Democracy, let alone a liberal one.

People who hold up Rome as an example a successful multiculturalism never seem to realize they're using a totalitarian/fascist state as an example.
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>>152392453
>two consuls, elected every two years
>plebs elect tribunes with the power of veto over all legislature
Roman history is more than a Ben hur movie
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>>152361566
multicultural?Yes
multiracial?No
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>>152367771
Kind of related. Especially regarding the senator cucks that made the law but were too pussies to bear arms themselves.
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>>152368126
>Moor
>Berber
>Different
You're a retard, and the few "Berbers" who were granted position in the empire were heavily bleached and mostly from colon Roman houses. That's why you have some blue eyed blonde Berbers nowadays while the great majority of them look like orcs.
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>>152379724
>>152378324
Thank you both, I've ss'd the comments and will compose a "to read" list as soon as I have time. I was in the dark, thank you for clarifying!
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>>152396133
>blond hair blue eyes
>roman
I think that means the snowniggers raided a lot farther down south than we believe
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>>152361566
>multicultural societies work
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>>152370905
>Atheists
Wtf man
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>>152373487
Sounds great.
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>>152361566
Rome was never multicultural.
also....sage faggot
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>>152362583
REEEEEEE BRENNOS WAS A PROUD GAULISH WARRIOR
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>>152396133
The ones that looked like Orcs are their nignog slave. You're right that they aren't natively blond and super pasty but the ones at the top were native whites since you cant have whites mix with darks and get whites unless its' like a gazzilion generations and you can still notice. The native white moors just got lazy and got niggers to do everything with them. They're probably mostly died out but they had brown hair and shaggy beards

>>152395850
Makes me think of Julius Caesar, he was very much a thinker.
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>>152363207
> I believe you can be any race but in order for a nation to thrive everyone must hold the same basic culture.

Wrong
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>>152361566
at best it was full segregation, is that what you're advocating?
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>>152389611
It's all about balance, read the myth of Dionysus. The basic gestalt is that we all have some degeneracy in us and crave for some debauchery, and it's fine because humans, unlike gods, aren't perfect, and the little flaws are enjoyable but not to be overdone. Basically it says get shitfaced now and then, dance a little, fuck some pussy, pretending to be above all that is pretentious and makes life sad, but don't overdo it or you'll end up a perverse weirdo like satyrs. Greek philosophy and religion was based, not that only Greeks came up with that, Dionysus was a Thracian god for instance.
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>>152392747
Best Rome is protectorate Rome. Democratic Rome was a corrupted failed state.
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>>152361566
Under democracy? No
Under Fascism? Yes
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>>152361566
>Don't want to speak Latin Mr.BarBar?
>On the cross you go!
>>152361802
/thread
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>>152398850
There were dark blonde blue eyed Romans, especially those from liburnia. Also lots of non Latin populations like Thracians or Illyrians were integrated into Roman ethnos and they were pretty much albino tier, like their descendants, modern day romanian and northern albanians are.
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>>152402620
it's mostly true about what he represents and letting off steam. However, Dionysius cult had serious issues. It's Roman counterpart (considered less crazy than the Greek version according to Stoics) was baccanalia, which according to Livy in book 39 had human sacrifice where womyn would kill the patriarch and shed get her power fantasy fullfilled. Greek religion was always criticized by pagans and Christians and Philsophers such as the Stoics for being degenerate
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>>152400392
They allowed all of the degenerate cultures to co-exist as long as they pay moneyz and do not go apeshit.
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>>152367573
>Cavalry
Don't need cavalry when you have invincible infantry
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>>152361903

This, the lack of social cohesion and divided loyalties brought the empire down. Once it's no longer you and your blood brothers against the barbarian hordes or the Carthaginian dogs, why would you care that your Latifundia is hogging up all the land. Those people in the streets are no longer your kin trying to live a life of dignity, it's an unruly mob from who knows where asking for gibs.
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>>152402761
500 year old failed state that became an empire
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>>152403064
Tbh this might mostly be over exaggeration by early /pol/acks which stoics kind of were. Basically an early example of pizzagate stuff.
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>>152404271
They were kind of alone in the known world without serious contenders, the generals made Rome great and conquering barbaric tribes fighting with wooden swords was piss easy. Then things got itchy and Caesar took things into hands, the republic would have died pretty easily without him stepping in.
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>>152404315
>>152403461
>>152403513
>>152403715
LARPer
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>>152365125
>>152365125
deserves two (you)'s
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>>152399192
>that drunk vandal conquests
why though
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>>152374101
>this is what pagans equate to the Christianization of Europe.
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>>152361566
Rome fell you fucking retard.
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>>152404594
>Etruscans
>Carthaginians
>Greeks and Hellenistic successor state
>Egyptians
>Celts/Gauls
>Cesar and not Sulla
Read more faggot
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>>152378324
I've read all seven volumes and while it is beautifully written and an excellent chronological history it's fundamental premise is false. Gibbon assigns far too much blame on Christianity when it probably prolonged the Empire and formed the basis of the future Byzantine Civilization which would survive another 1000 years. He infamously digressed into a lengthy ode to Julian The Apostate whos reign was mostly inconsequential because of his bias to Pagan Romanticism.
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>>152381789
Two months to learn how to read, some six months to learn how to communicate without sounding like an idiot. My Italian still isn't as good as my English, but gradually I will get there. All you need is to exercise it constantly and then fluency will come naturally.
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>>152361566
Pretty much all of Rome's glory years were prior to Pax Romana. Augustus unwittingly spelled his empires doom by changing the advancing conquering spirit of Rome into a Utopian one. If you've built a powerful and expansive empire you can rest on your laurels and celebrate that success for a while but it eventually spells your doom.
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>>152409823

Empires are doomed to disintegration precisely because they are multi ethnic. The same process can be seen from Rome to the Ottoman and Hapsburg collapse or as recently as the Soviet Union.
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This is what made them fail. Stupid. Sage.
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>>152364240
>Cato
>Pupil of Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus, known to be a snake in politics for his family's own self-benefit
>Screwed over the Iberian allies of Rome when sent to pacify the region, annihilating any chances of peace in the mid to long term. (And wasting the goodwill that Scipio had earned years earlier)
>Screwed over Scipio because of envy, conveniently making himself the biggest political figure in Rome afterwards
>Scared shitless of Hannibal even after the guy was no longer in charge of any relevant army
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>>152361566
>multicultural is the same as multiethnic

Sage
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>>152378324
never ever take history lessons second hand form jews, always go straight to the ACTUAL history. never read summaries, EVER.
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>>152373050
Augustus looks like Putin.
Nero was a literal neckbeard.
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rome threads are comfy as fuck, this should be a regular thread
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>>152403935
Battle of Cannae called, it says your post is bullshit.
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>>152415451
History threads in general are comfy. It was disappointing when they created >>>/his/ and it turned out to be garbage.
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>>152369256
Yea always blame barbarians not lazy ass politicians
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kill all shills, get in here:
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>>152413119
>>152413119
>>152413119
we need to counter the recent raids
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>>152369083
>retarded american thinks culture = niggers
why even comment on things you know fuck all about




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