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What philosophy is the most beneficial for the west? The right seems to have popularized stoicism again but is that the best for us? Also what philosophers should every man read?
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>>175186236
>SAGE AND HIDE ALL SLIDE THREADS
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>>175186331
>this thread
>a slide thread
Pick one nigger
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>>175186236
Really guys?
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>>175186236
The Foundation for Exploration by Sean Goonan
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>>175186236
Read Genealogy of Morality by Nietzsche. This is his most important work, and no one reads it.
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>>175190410
Really? Why is it unread?
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>>175186236
>What philosophy is the most beneficial for the west?
all allowed philosophies is just a justification of slavery.

there are no beneficial philosophies in the public domain.
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>>175190410
Why is it important for an average person like me to read it
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>>175190957
Explain
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>>175186236
>What philosophy is the most beneficial for the west?
Humorously, Confucianism. You need to fix your families.
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>>175193869
I do see this with the black community but not as much with the rest.
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>>175191083
Because he names the Jew a lot. But also, his willingness to apply Darwin to the Human animal, allows us to see how morality evolves. Most importantly, modern science has confirmed a lot of his ideas (pic related).
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Rasputin, he banged whoooooers and was running Russia. Hes the man we follow.
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>>175186236

"The weak must fear the strong" philosophy of Sam Hyde.
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>>175186236
Just do the best you can.
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>>175186236
>What philosophy is the most beneficial for the west?
The best philosophy for the west is hedonistic materialism; such a philosophy will lead to the destruction of other cultures and maintain western dominance.
The best philosophy in a universal sense is radical gnosticism (we are all in this mess together, and the only people who are enemies are those who want to keep us from working together; violence consists of unauthorized force, but more fundamentally relates to a lack of consent. None of us consented to existence, and hence violence has already been perpetrated against us)
see: aryanism.net
mundusmillennialis.com
>The right seems to have popularized stoicism
It stifles revolutionary tendencies and changes that could take place, which is why it can be helpful or harmful, depending on whether or not you have power; the elite have it in their interest to promote stoicism to prevent radical changes being made to society.
>Also what philosophers should every man read?
Seek out philosophers who challenge what you currently believe.
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>>175197356
You utter imbecile, hedonistic materialism is the reason why the west is like it is, overrun by entitled, selfish, individualistic people who only care for their own self pleasure. This philosophy is what brought the fall of Rome.
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>>175186236
Also OP, I would recommend discussing serious topics like philosophy in /his/ rather than /pol/ so you can actually receive intelligent answers and discussion.
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Hedonistic materialism will destroy our own culture and our grasp on world dominance. Radical Gnosticism does seem favorable as long as it does not stifle criticisms of groups and cultural mindsets.
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>>175186331
Political philosophy is slide threat huhurhu :D
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>>175197356
>hedonistic materialism
Yea, Judaism. That's what we have now... Are you an accelerationist?
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>>175197867
I haven't been on /pol/ since the election but It used to be the best board for this discussion because people aren't afraid of speaking their minds here. /his/ has always shyed away from hard topics.
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>>175190410
I second this
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>>175186236
>wants advice in terms of philosophy
>on 4chan
>mfw
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>>175195772
In this same book at some point he basically says a lot of people who prone individualism are weak and couldn't survive without the very state they spit on.
He was not pro individualism per say
Sometime I like to think of Nietzsche as a spartan like philosopher. He had appreciation for the Hellenic culture and he also shits on socrates in the same book.
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>>175197727
>hedonistic materialism is the reason why the west is like it is
I know, and promoting further the Western worldview will lead to Western dominance.
>overrun by entitled, selfish, individualistic people who only care for their own self pleasure
Exactly. Such a philosophy is aligned with the Western Faustian ideal of endless growth. Whether it is feasible or not is another discussion; I certainly think it ultimately leads to conflict, whether that is something people desire or not is another question. Economic factors will largely force the leadership to take action (which is somewhat related to why the immigration crisis is ongoing in Europe; import more people so that there is more consumption and thus continued growth)
>This philosophy is what brought the fall of Rome.
Some would argue it was Christianity that lead to the fall of Rome, as it justified a radical egalitarianism. In any case, my point is that Western dominance will come as a result of maintaining the same systems that have lead to its advantages in the past; selfishness, disregard for non-Westerners, etc
>>175197960
>Hedonistic materialism will destroy our own culture and our grasp on world dominance.
What is Western culture? Not in the sense of the Greeks or Romans, long dead civilizations, but the past 500 years. If one makes a country like China adopt our values, then what is the distinction between the culture of the West and the East?
>Radical Gnosticism does seem favorable as long as it does not stifle criticisms of groups and cultural mindsets.
It does not stifle criticism; there is no need to fear a critique of the truth. However, that does not mean that it allows all cultural mindsets, some of which are designed to maintain violent systems.
>>175198144
>Yea, Judaism. That's what we have now... Are you an accelerationist?
If I was in favor of supporting the West solely, yes, I would be. As it is, I care little for which group wins, and I care very much for which ideas win.
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Stoicism aka be a pussy
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>>175198939
>I know, and promoting further the Western worldview will lead to Western dominance.

Death to America
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>>175198830
>meme flag
Go back faggot! 4chan is the only place and I do mean ONLY PLACE that I have gotten unfiltered and in depth discussion on philosophy, political ideologies and military doctrine.
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>>175198931
Interesting was it soley his work?
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>>175198939
>Some would argue it was Christianity that lead to the fall of Rome, as it justified a radical egalitarianism

It is 101 philosophy to grasp that as time went on equality went up at the expense of freedom.
You're talking mad shit. And I am not pro Christianity. Humans are tribal and when they'll be offered situations where in group preferences reward them they'll take them at the expenses of the others because the contrary is preaching death. Your me me me bubble will hit his wall when you'll realize that third world shitters can't maintain it all.
Liberal tarts like you are as bad as commies kys
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>>175199768
>It is 101 philosophy to grasp that as time went on equality went up at the expense of freedom.
All I was suggesting was that there are multiple ways in which "equality" can manifest, as a group or as individuals seeking something similar independently.
>And I am not pro Christianity.
I never asserted nor presumed you were.
>Humans are tribal
Correction: Some humans are tribal, and some are universalistic
>when they'll be offered situations where in group preferences reward them they'll take them at the expenses of the others because the contrary is preaching death.
Some would refuse the world if it meant causing the suffering of innocents. You are assuming that everyone is like you.
>Your me me me bubble will hit his wall
I do not support any "me me me bubble"; improve your reading comprehension.
>third world shitters
Why is it that not aligning with capitalism or communism justifies describing groups of people as "shitters"?
>Liberal tarts like you are as bad as commies
I am both anti-liberal and anti-communist; the last two major movements aligned somewhat with what I believe were the Cathars and the National Socialists, though some religious revivals had elements of truth within them.
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>>175198939
Western culture is marriage by love, egalitarianism, educated society, productive and long working with sports and entertainment as a large staple of lifestyle.
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>>175198939
>Some would argue it was Christianity that lead to the fall of Rome,
I would argue that Christianity was a Jewish subversion of Roman values and tradition, and I would argue that Zionism is just a modern Jewish subversion of Western values and traditions--as Nietzsche wrote, "a slave revolt in morality".

>as it justified a radical egalitarianism
No, that's a much more modern, revisionist Marxist interpretation. "All men are created equal" was not the founders endorsing egalitarianism, it was the founders slave revolt against the divine right of kings. Basically, "fuck you King George", not "Women, children, felons, the mentally ill, and farm equipment should vote".

Basically you are all for letting the social parasites destroy the West so long as you are able to milk more shekels from the goy while you watch it all burn down? Something tell me you are involved with Jewry.
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Stoicism is good for the practice of day to day life, but if your goal is understanding the big picture then it must be supported by philosophers with a broader world view and existential depth.

Nietzsche was brilliant because he deconstructed everything into dog shit then told you to pick it up and run with it anyway because life is beautiful. It may be painful to read his work sometimes but actually *getting* Nietzsche is a fucking privilege.
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>>175186236
German Idealism. But how will Trump complete the system?! I don't know!
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>>175186236
Unironically? Right-wing socialism, or "Prussianism". Not socialism in any Marxist, SJW, or otherwise anti-property sense. More so ethically and pro-hierarchy.

I guess you could think of it as dynamic, Faustian stoicism applied to all within the state. Read Spengler's "Prussianism" essay. He was influenced by Nietzsche. The only other alternative would be the status quo, which is largely "epicurean" liberalism and egalitarian "human rights".
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>>175200287
>Correction: Some humans are tribal, and some are universalistic
In terms of evolution, yes some people evolved from pastoral herders and tend to see humanity as a herd, while others evolved from nomadic hunter and gatherers and tend to see humanity as various tribes. Herd behavior is not observed in any other species of primate, only humans, which tells me that it is humans trying to force other humans to behave like sheep.
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>>175198939
Also is that the world view that got us to dominance? Because at the moment the only thing that can take down the west is itself so would that worldview end with a weak immoral population that may cause the deterioration of the society.
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>>175200734
The West as a cultural concept should be destroyed. Its an obsolete model that no longer fits the dynamics of a world that its own empires created. This is the embodiment of the snake which eats itself.

But you are fooling yourself if you think that the West can not be reborn. It will be, and it will be better for it!
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>>175186236
Liberty from tyranny is our culture. Liberty from tyranny is the reason we revolted and founded this country. Everything else is shit.
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Very little post-1500 is worth your time. If anything the moderns teach us how NOT to do philosophy. Read Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Seneca, and the Christian philosophers (e.g., Aquinas).
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>>175201418
How do you define tyranny
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>>175200869
Trump has popularized turning away from the traditional European model, reinvigorated the right with impassioned faith, and represents a symbolic change in status quo. On that alone he is successful, but he is only one man in a long line of necessary men to come.
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>>175201609
Interesting, which would you suggest starting with
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>>175201418
Not that I disagree with you (I don't), but I just want to add, it's important to note that tyranny in its classical sense means a foreign ruler. It it wasn't a word used to describe someone who punished you because you did something which society found unfavorable. On the contrary, sometimes we do need militant and hard leaders to kick the fucking tyrants out!
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>>175201301
>But you are fooling yourself if you think that the West can not be reborn. It will be, and it will be better for it!
I think it can, but not with multiculturalism and egalitarianism. This will destroy thousands of years of culture, and it will destroy the biodiversity of the entire continent of Europe, and of the world.
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>>175200568
>marriage by love
monogamy as an institution was impelled by noble motivations and was largely a Western creation, though cultures popped up that practiced it elsewhere. Good example.
>egalitarianism
Egalitarianism, though who is deserving of equality? This has always been in flux; the next turning will be similar to WW2, either materialistic (communism) or spiritual (national socialism) in nature
>educated society
Enlightenment ideal, but yes, I agree
>productive and long working with sports and entertainment as a large staple of lifestyle.
I wouldn't consider this to be exclusive to the West anymore, though in the past perhaps.
>>175200734
>Basically you are all for letting the social parasites destroy the West so long as you are able to milk more shekels from the goy while you watch it all burn down?
No, this poster >>175201301
largely explained my position on it
>>175201156
>Herd behavior is not observed in any other species of primate, only humans, which tells me that it is humans trying to force other humans to behave like sheep.
Why should one look to animals, such as primates, to determine how to live? Looking for nature to guide you rather than trying to find what is ideal is intellectually lazy, and presupposes nature as good.
>>175201223
>Also is that the world view that got us to dominance?
The West has largely gotten to "greatness" by not stifling individual genius. The concept of greatness necessitates another to be lesser. Entrepreneurship is largely considered the highest activity in our culture, notice which buildings are the tallest in any city.
>Because at the moment the only thing that can take down the west is itself
Or a better idea
>would that worldview end with a weak immoral population that may cause the deterioration of the society
Weakness means that people will be good slaves, moral people are willing to fight. Mediocre stability comes from degeneration.
>>175201418
And now you have the tyranny of the majority and mediocrity
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>>175200842
Is it the best practice for daily life?
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>>175186236
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>>175186236
The True Catholic Faith with devotion to The Virgin Mary is the only belief to be concerned with, we are a fallen race that has been reedeemed and we have to put first our own salvation, after that, Western Civilization was built on True Catholicism, all the he beauty, order, goodness and just laws, people being what they are of course there were abuses and mistakes but it is the one and only truth, the modern day Catholic Church has been wrecked of course by Freemasons and modernist heretics but the True Church does live on as Christ promised, go here:
>www.salvemariaregina.info
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>>175201742
I think there is an objective definition, though I've never seen anyone write it down. For example, Jane Goodall observed that chimps would wage tribal warfare based solely on social rifts. Since no one can ask chimps, "why do you guys disagree"? We can only speculate.

We see "incel" behavior is various primates. When a tyrannical alpha is monopolizing the females, yet failing to protect the tribe, the beta males will often gather and dispose the tyrant. You could argue that the state subsidizing single-mothers (who are not widows) is a form of forced cuckoldry, this goes a long way to explain the current "incel" rebellion.
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>>175186236
Why do you need a philosophy
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>>175203432
if you don't feel that you need one, my advice is to stay away
if you don't have questions, then I would only give them to you
if you are certain, I would only make you doubt
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>>175202390
>monogamy as an institution was impelled by noble motivations and was largely a Western creation
It is an evolutionary strategy:
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/341/6145/526.full

>Why should one look to animals, such as primates, to determine how to live? Looking for nature to guide you rather than trying to find what is ideal is intellectually lazy, and presupposes nature as good.
You presuppose that man is not subject to the laws of nature, and is somehow above it, yet, nothing has been discovered in the physical world that supports this notion. No theory has been put forth to explain why man should be nicer than our genes require. We are primates with nukes. You deny human nature, this is the flaw of radical individualism as well as radical collectivism.
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>>175202390
>God damn excellent post
Is there a better idea? If the next turning is to happen like WWII then I fear another large war will be the result. Will we not lose this culture to hedonism?
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>>175186236

Philosophy doesn't matter at this point, only action matters.

The drowning man can dream of air all he wants to no avail.
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>>175203017
>Monopolizing the females, yet failing to protect the tribe

Exactly. Tyranny is not an "imbalance" of power, it is an "abuse" of said power mainly by neglecting the responsibility that accompanies it.

Jews use this delicate balance against us by drumming up false claims of abuse of power or even convincing the gullible majority that the power itself is a sign of abuse.
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>>175203721
>It is an evolutionary strategy:
Anything can be seen as an evolutionary strategy; to say as much provides no information.
>You presuppose that man is not subject to the laws of nature
I believe that man is subject to the laws of nature, but that does not in any way mean that I will choose to have the values which might be optimal solely for survival, as opposed to other goals. I am subject to a game I never chose to play. Do I intend to win? Of course. Does that mean my values are aligned with the game? Not necessarily. Pic related gives far more of an explanation of this idea.
>nothing has been discovered in the physical world that supports this notion.
Empiricism... yawn
>No theory has been put forth to explain why man should be nicer than our genes require.
You cannot derive morality from scientific evidence or observation (is-ought); does this mean we should not be moral? We all have this choice.
>We are primates with nukes.
(Paraphrasing) "There is more distinction between the modern man, a man like Schopenhauer, than between an ape and modern man" -AH
>You deny human nature
I deny nothing, you are projecting ideas onto me due to your conception of what I believe, likely because you've encountered people who DO deny human nature, seeing myself as making similar (though distinct) arguments, and then attacking my position as if I was one of the many dummies you've knocked down in the past.
>this is the flaw of radical individualism as well as radical collectivism.
I represent neither of these positions. Man is a universe unto himself. A collection of men is a collection of universes.
>>175203761
>Is there a better idea?
I believe there is, the websites I posted before and pic related espouse it.
>If the next turning...
I do not fear war. Death is inevitable; better to die for a purpose that I want to see succeed than to die for no purpose. Best to live to see victory.
>Will we not lose...
It's a possibility, and one that many have an interest in.
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>>175190410
>Dedicates an entire section of autistic rambling to how special philosophers and musicians are
Yeah no. Nietzsche was a hack, read Schopenhauer
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>>175200734
It was hardly believed that the English monarch still ruled by divine right at the time of the American Revolution. Instead, the idea of equality in the eyes of God and the law was a foundation for the state they were setting up.
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>>175202390
>Tyranny of the majority
The ruling class is a minority that keeps the dissent of the majority in check this time by sponsoring perpetual chaos and confusion instead of overt dominance. The tyrants are few, just as always. The majority holds no power and they all know this in their hearts but they cannot articulate it due to its chaotic nature.
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>>175204980
>Pic related gives far more of an explanation of this idea.
Cool, I'll read it after responding.

>does this mean we should not be moral?
Morality is just a custom or tradition. All animals have morals, so why wouldn't humans have them as well?

>You cannot derive morality from scientific evidence or observation (is-ought);
Sure you can, see this pic>>175195772

>likely because you've encountered people who DO deny human nature
Yes, everyone I've ever met.

>Empiricism... yawn
I know, this is a philosophy thread. I just don't believe in anything metaphysical, though I understand it's importance for humanity and society. The way I approach it is: what lies are necessary for creation, and which are destructive.
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>>175205932
>equality in the eyes of God
Read the first uniform rule of naturalization: "only free white men of good moral character" were allowed to become citizens. So what God views as equal tends to change, suggesting to me that it's just people manipulating other people.

>>175205248
Haha, he also dedicates a lot of time shitting on "physiologists" which is funny to me, because I shit them all the time--priests of the brain, is what I call them.
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>>175204980
I like your stance on war but another may cripple and destroy the very ideals we strive for.
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>>175206326
>The ruling class is a minority that keeps the dissent of the majority in check this time by sponsoring perpetual chaos and confusion instead of overt dominance.
I don't disagree.
(Paraphrase)"If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it" - Mark Twain
What I mean by tyranny of the majority and mediocrity in this case is that there is a certain stability that results from the current setup; some ideas are heavily debated, but important assumptions are never challenged.
>The tyrants are few, just as always. The majority holds no power and they all know this in their hearts but they cannot articulate it due to its chaotic nature.
I agree with you here.
>Morality is just a custom or tradition.
Most morals are based on what you were given from the past, but that doesn't mean that all morals necessarily are; sometimes it is the rejection of an assumed moral that becomes the basis for another.
Also, I don't understand saying that it is "just" a custom or tradition. It reminds me of how people use the phrase "social construct" as a way of saying that it serves no purpose or has no value.
>All animals have morals
Broad statements like this are asking for a counter-example, but I'll take your word for it.
>so why wouldn't humans have them as well?
I'm not asserting that humans wouldn't have morals, or that nature wouldn't have morals, merely that it is reason that should be the guiding factor in making moral judgements.
>Sure you can
You are providing an explanation for HOW something came about, but it provides no explanation for WHY it should be. Just because something helps a creature survive doesn't mean that surviving is good (one example, not one that I really agree with but it illustrates my point: if Earth is a cosmic prison from which death is the only escape, then death, murder, killing, and things which are against evolution would be "good")
>>175207355
should one give up due to the possibility of failure in the future?
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>>175206518
>>175207693
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>>175203721
>Implying that philosophy itself is not a way to rise above man's nature
>Implying that running around naked and eating grubs is preferable to living in a functional society
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>>175186236
Only Cynicism gives one manliness, composure, and joy.

If one believes in Nietzsche and gives into activity and instinct, you become Mike Peinovich, gobbling down tendies like there is no tomorrow and screaming into the void at antifa beaners.

And if you believe in Darwin and your race, you become Jean-Francois, worshipping women in the most cringey of ways and wanting to fuck retards.

Life is a disease; the black pill is the cure.
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>>175207693
> some ideas are heavily debated, but important assumptions are never challenged.
Important assumptions are challenged but they never gain any real traction because of fear, subversion, or short-sighted complacency due to material comforts. This truly is a nightmare scenario.
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>>175186236
Otto Weininger is one of the lesser known philosophers EVERY man should know , I recommend you read his book Sex and Character.
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>>175199013
>Stoicism aka be a pussy
Read a book jew worshiper
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>>175208506
>Only Cynicism gives one manliness, composure, and joy.
The sophist art of subjectivism
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>>175201609
>Christian philosophers
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MEGA link for great selection o fphilosophy books, enjoy all. Will follow with dump of rest of book links

Philosophy - https://mega.nz/#F!MQBRHBJA!L_on3h-XUrtbc719UaMygw
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"To crush our enemy. To see them driven before you. And to hear the lamentation of their women."
-some barbarian on what is best in life
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Here are the others. I did not compile this list of the MEGAs, just like to share them
JQ - https://mega.co.nz/#F!UdxSVLJB!bgBwqzuFIV3z0HvCswA0dQ

Religion, Magick, Occult - https://mega.co.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ!cE5yWZoI

General - https://mega.co.nz/#F!LotEVRxT!YE-YrG6SZ54nJqltrYN8Nw

Psyops - https://mega.co.nz/#F!m00SjRRA!R_I9wzUTEhSN6spP35TyZg

/pol/ books - https://mega.co.nz/#F!eMs1HDRD!LJcwVTJXhhx1a5bUu2l0dg

Poems/stories - https://mega.co.nz/#F!6sgETKCa!vGFF5iTfCR6lH3ZLXaQorQ

Propertarianism library https://mega.co.nz/#F!0F5GXTjS!oGdz8UP5JbcleNMy6YKLvg

Fascist - https://mega.co.nz/#F!cZoSEbpC!kdnYuLw3hvYSus9uZl6PRQ

Stats and facts - https://mega.co.nz/#F!4MJE0L6Q!teKAfBlT2m3Ija-Tun-EFw

Sydney traditionalist reading - https://mega.co.nz/#F!pYRnSJaC!HrC3Siqyioo9PjdGMNWs3Q

General collection - https://mega.nz/#F!flYQGbzI!p1AFjtMuCLHQqocJqxV7rg

Homestead/History - https://mega.nz/#F!WQ1j0Q5A!BrV-uEsC2VZlhFsqJV-YHg

Book dump - https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg

Book dump - https://mega.nz/#F!8YhT1SwT!naXLsLCamWPYP6YxJZAopA

Languages - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk

Military History - https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ

Warfare - https://mega.nz/#F!x4JD1RzD!4_nIFmI2sBdSYg14j7pIdA
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>>175197960
>Gnosticism
lol
= Christian feminism
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>>175208907
>subjectivism
>sophistry
Cynicism is applied Platonism. A recognition of limitation while having an ear for unity.
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>>175208506
>Deconstructing everything with ad homs, low IQ over-simplification, and zero objectivity.
A brief look into the judaized mind
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>>175208784
Stoicism is an excellent philosophy for military men and officers, those who are meant to follow orders and accept a position without questioning it, but it is certainly not apt for the rulers of society.
It is the "peace of pacifism" in pic related.
>>175208506
Fatalistic pessimism
There is an alternative, optimistic transcendence.
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>>175208506
You're greatly mistaken. Darwinism and worshipping womyn have nothing in common whatsoever , in fact if you knew anything about Darwin , you'd know that he regarded women as inferior , on the same intellectual level as niggers.
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>>175186236
>What philosophy is the most beneficial for the west?
The one that built it, obviously.
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>>175202175
Plato is a good introduction to philosophy. Many of the earlier dialogues are about removing your double-ignorance, and inspiring wonder, both of which are the starting point of philosophy. For sound "dad-advice" get your shit together kind of philosophy, read Seneca (On the Happy Life is good). For understanding ethics and human nature, read the Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle.
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>>175209471
>obsessing about wealth
>obsessing about power
>obsessing about winning
>obsessing about society's bullshit
>totally not Old Testament
Cynicism is about living in harmony with truth; postmoderns deny truth. A philosopher is a lover a wisdom; by implication he is a despiser of foolishness.
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>>175208989
Not really. Throughout the middle ages it was the Christian theologians who advanced some of the best philosophy the world has ever seen. Of course they weren't doing it qua Christian, rather qua philosopher, but just because you are Christian does not exclude you from being able to do great philosophy, it is just you do not do philosophy qua Christian.
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>>175209511
Darwinism is about making babies; it makes people identify with their genes instead of virtue, which in turn makes them waste their lives on stupid shit doing stupid things
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>>175209640
Hahahhah good one , ancient Greeks and Romans made western civilization , your dead cosmic jew worshipping cult was a 1000 years setback , all scientific advancement was punished until the Renaissance , while the "pagan" religion they had before let them think freely, and accomplish greatness.
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>>175186236
Epicureanism. "To live modestly, to gain knowledge of the workings of the world, and to limit one's desires."
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>>175207744
I'm trying to generalize human morality. If you think or morality as:
>"just" a custom or tradition.

Then you can say that there are two human moralities: the master and the slave.
>sometimes it is the rejection of an assumed moral that becomes the basis for another
This is the slave morality. It implies the master existed FIRST.

>Just because something helps a creature survive doesn't mean that surviving is good
True from the POV of the universe, but from my POV, "good" is whatever benefits me at that time--survival and propagation of my genes is the greatest "good".

>merely that it is reason that should be the guiding factor in making moral judgements.
But humans are irrational and greedy.

>provides no explanation for WHY it should be.
So you are trying to create a master morality, similar to the Nazis, or to L. Ron Hubbard? If so, I get that, and I support that.
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Heidegger was a good dude, trying to get people to move away from the rampant scientism that is perverting our perception of reality. When Jordan Peterson talks about phenomenology, he's talking about Heidegger
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>>175208517
>Important assumptions are challenged but they never gain any real traction because of fear, subversion, or short-sighted complacency due to material comforts. This truly is a nightmare scenario.
I would argue that important assumptions are never challenged due to this: if you know an idea is detrimental to your position, the optimal strategy is to get an individual to accept another idea along with the dangerous one, an idea that allows you to attack that person without any risk.
The "redpill" on /pol/ is a combination of truths along with immoral reactions to these truths; the result is that people who are rational or view themselves as such try to espouse their viewpoint in hushed voices, or if they do speak it, they are outgrouped by normies. Because they are rational thinkers, they continue to believe that they have found "the truth," but they don't realize that they have been rendered ineffective at organization because they will be seen as immoral.

National Socialists were not afraid of what they expressed. They were willing to openly wear armbands saying "This is what I believe. This is what I'm fighting for." because there was nothing morally repugnant about their doctrine, whereas modern neo-nazis, the alt-right, whatever you want to call them do have something morally repugnant about them.
Just goes to show how successful post-WW2 propaganda has been.
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>>175208989
Christianity is basically stoicism lite though. An intelligent man understands the virtue of self moderation and discipline for its benefits like a Stoic. The less intelligent are given a rubric to follow along with some "motivation" to help them stay on track.
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>>175210415
Once chistianity waned off, and paganism/atheism got popular again, is the same time that the west began dying again you idiot.

Brainlets will never learn
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>>175211111
those digits
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>>175210568
>Then you can say that there are two human moralities: the master and the slave.
I can think of a third; someone who wants to destroy slavishness. To be a master necessitates those beneath you that you direct. To be a slave means that you view someone as superior and (generally) resent them for this. Pic related.
>This is the slave morality. It implies the master existed FIRST.
Sure. Now what happens when you negate slave morality and master morality? This is what I'm attempting to relay.
>"good" is whatever benefits me at that time--survival and propagation of my genes is the greatest "good".
Two ways of looking at it, as was mentioned in the pic I posted. Some want their group to win, others want the idea they hold to win. That is the essence of the naturalist/idealist split.
>But humans are irrational and greedy.
All humans? This is pessimism, another idea which I would give to my slaves to keep them from coming to any decision to change their situation.
>So you are trying to create a master morality, similar to the Nazis, or to L. Ron Hubbard? If so, I get that, and I support that.
The Nazis did not have a master morality in the sense Nietzsche mentioned; pic related explains more.
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>>175209159
>color coordinated library

Thanks for the advice
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>>175208124
>Implying that philosophy itself is not a way to rise above man's nature
Absolutely not. Collective lies are necessary for civilization. But there have to be rational people who understand and craft the lies.

>Implying that running around naked and eating grubs is preferable to living in a functional society
I wouldn't call the modern west a "functional" society. I'd say it's functionally degenerate.
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>>175210415
>Who is Charlemagne?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottonian_Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_of_the_12th_century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Renaissance

All Christian, all texts from Greece and Rome were preserved for century's prior, by Christians, while pagans where sacrificing goats.... But if you don't feel like reading pages of wiki, just watch this documentary of Pagans getting BTFOd in everything from literature, architecture, war etc... watch how it was Christianity that re birthed the Roman Empire, not Paganism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ci1neQWcIk
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>>175211386
>I can think of a third; someone who wants to destroy slavishness.
That made the light bulb light up
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>>175211790
Is this a mocking "really makes me think" post, or sincere?
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>>175211386
Just from our convo though, I initially assumed you were a Jew, a slave. Which speaks both to my bias, and your messaging. I'm not educated, I have only a GED. Which means to me, there should be a better way to "virtue signal" to people like me. What do you think?
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>>175211982
No, it's sincere. I didn't get it until then
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>>175209013
Thank you for sharing
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best philosophy is no philosophy, do what you know is right and don't do what you know is wrong.

studying and reading philosophy is a rabbit hole people have wasted their whole lives. If a writer or book interest, definitely read it, but don't fall down the hole of 'trying to figure everything out', the world is actually a lot simpler than most of them make it out to be.

rherotical question: what is a philosopher worth if he is a loser who has never done anything of worth?

pic related, just be your ideal person, no book needed, you already KNOW.
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>>175199316
It was. The only book that was hampered with is "Will to Power" - his power hungry cunt of a sister essentially mixed and edited it to her liking only publishing it after his death, not when he was mentally crippled, because she was afraid he could "wake up" any moment, while using her brothers condition to make a zoo out of his house with him as the animal and present herself as the "good selfless sister". Nietzsche had the most disgusting "bad end" you could have in his position.
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>>175212045
>Just from our convo though, I initially assumed you were a Jew, a slave.
A good liar mixes lies with the truth, hence the "redpill" on here.
>Which speaks both to my bias, and your messaging.
I mentioned before that I was distinct from others, though similar in some ways. I accept the truths that /pol/ gives (making me similar to others here), but I haven't lost my will to be moral (making me similar to the "slaves"/bluepilled).
>I'm not educated, I have only a GED.
If you understand the significance of what I am trying to speak of, then you are as intelligent as the greatest of men. Trust me when I say that.
>Which means to me, there should be a better way to "virtue signal" to people like me.
I'm not exactly sure how to best explain this idea to people, because it's difficult to really grasp how I came to it (for me it was something like recognizing a back and forth cycle between master and slave, and saying, well, why not try something else rather than trying to just be the next part of it? I think that's likely that's what leads to a perceived cycle in the first place, is when someone comes up with an idea like this but it ultimately fails (and then is just seen as another expression of master morality) and then is denigrated)
>What do you think?
I know that I'm not the best at explaining these ideas, (I think) I'm improving with every conversation. If you think this conversation genuinely helped you, it would be helpful to me if you put into an image the posts which helped you best understand what I'm talking about. If you don't want to, I can just screenshot the whole thing.

If you have any more questions, I'd gladly talk about any of this.
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>>175209963
>I don't like things because others have an unhealthy relationship with them
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>>175213019
>it would be helpful to me if you put into an image the posts which helped you best understand what I'm talking about. If you don't want to, I can just screenshot the whole thing.
I've always thought that there were two human moralities, it seems to me you've come up with a "third position", when you wrote:
>>175211790
That's when I had the epiphany. Here is the pic of the post

Anyways, I'm going to go run and reflect on these ideas. I will absorb them over the coming months, and try to put them into my own words so I can evangelize them.
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>>175214427
>Anyways, I'm going to go run and reflect on these ideas. I will absorb them over the coming months, and try to put them into my own words so I can evangelize them.
A group is currently being formed based on these ideas.
You can contact them at aryanism.net and you'll get some more info on what we're working on.
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>>175210452
The only problem that I have with this is that it is too subjective and therefore is vulnerable to the creeping evil that has plagued humanity since the beginning of civilized man. This type of individualistic, self-governing philosophy only works in a uniformly high IQ society.
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>>175214745
>aryanism.net
Nice, thanks.
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Seriously, anarcho-homicidalism is the only way we're getting out of this.

The First Law of anarcho-homicidalism is that you're allowed to kill anyone trying to enslave you. Everything else follows from there.
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>>175210607
Shifting into a mental state of pure objectivity is good for scientific research, especially among other honest scientists. However, there are those with (((motives))) that use this peculiar strength of ours against us for their own benefit and to our destruction.

So many times we have been forced to go against our trusting nature and adopt an authoritarian doctrine just to survive. So many civilizations we had to re-build from scratch. So many opportunities lost.
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>>175215241
>anarcho-homicidalism

googled, breddy gud
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>>175215241
>outjew the jew




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