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When leftists say they want the AR-15 banned, do they not realize that it's essentially identical to any other semi-auto rifle? Or do they realize it, and they're just hoping that an AR-15 ban will be a step towards total semi-auto (and eventually all firearms) bans?
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>>189043550
They want to slippery slope it into banning all center fire cartridges. That is the way of the nigger and the jew.
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>>189043550
Its black, so it's scary. I'm totes not racist tho I voted for Hilary and I have a black friend. I think there was a black family that lived in my neighborhood before.
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>>189043550
Politicians stent dumb. They're just trying to get whatever they can. But the AR is scary looking and easier to convince their followers of its unnecessity vs a hunting rifle. And desu there is no reason for a civilian to own an automatic weapon with a high capacity magazine. I'd be ok with an AR ban.
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pro-gun lefty here. no idea why this ever became a partisan issue
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>>189043550
they just see a scary black rifle that needs to be banned for their feels
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>>189044311
Hmmm
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>>189044311
>cz
Good choice commie
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>>189044311
Kill yourself.
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The serious answer to this question... it's the easiest target because it looks so much like a weapon of war and unfortunately people that are undereducated about the issue think the two (ar15 and m16/m4) are one in the same.
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>>189043550
>the left's weird little hard-on for the AR-15
Communism doesn’t work with an armed populace
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>>189044874
i came here to agree that the anti-gun movement is bullshit and your first reaction is to insult me? you should be embracing all support for gun rights, regardless of political leaning. it's one of our most important rights.
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>>189044311
>pro-gun lefty here
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>>189045204
One step forward ten steps back. Rethink your life.
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>>189043550
You have to look at it from another aspect too. The AR-15, symbolically, represents freedom, responsibility, power, etc.
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>>189045204
I don't trust leftists who talk about gun rights.
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>>189045319
nah i'm good.
>>189045306
it may be rare, but we do exist. all my friends are in the same boat. we're just not as loud as the rabid anti-gun fags.
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>>189043550
There was a plan. Basically, start with "military style weapons" like the AR-15 and AK variants, then ban hand guns, then semiautomatic rifles and then highly restrict manually operated rifles and shotguns. It might have worked, too, except they pulled early. There had been a concerted campaign against guns and gun culture starting in the 1960's. The Militia Movement of the 90'scared Democrats into pushing the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban through before the public was really ready for it. It had provisions that allowed the supposedly banned guns to be manufactured with modifications and had a ten year sunset clause. Democrats believed that by the end if the 90's guns would be banned entirely. And then the Democrats lost power in the House and Senate in part due to the AWB. And the AR-15 became the most popular rifle in America, in part because politicians didn't want people to have one. So, here we are. Liberals keep going back to the AR-15 ban because it's Step one in the Gun Ban Playbook even though everyone who is paying attention knows what they're up to.
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You need a special police force to impose communism, the AR-15 puts that force in danger.
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>>189044311
No shit! Johnson loved what could happen with guns bought through the mail right up until late Nov.1963
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>>189045133
I should reiterate..
Communism doesn’t work... Especially with an armed populace.
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>>189043550

The NPC's want it banned because they're handlers tell them what to think.

The only reason the handlers want it banned is because theres no better defense at 400 yards +.

1 trained guy with an AR could slaughter 50 niggers with pistols or shotguns at 300m or so. AKA they need it banned so they can forcefully take land from landowners someday.
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Can my 40mm gat blaster be banned as well?
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>>189044311
>pro-gun lefty here. no idea why this ever became a partisan issue

Jews and commies don't want the goyim to resist. They know theres going to be a lot of pain, suffering and starvation if all goes according to plan.
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>>189043550
They have a plan to manipulate gun control supporters
>1. "Assault weapon bans need to happen, these are military style assault rifles"
>2. "Ban these other wooden guns, they function the same but with a new coat of paint!"
>3. England style weapons ban.
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>>189045768
>because theres no better defense at 400 yards +.

You got things the wrong way around.

At 400 yards a 5.56 will likely bounce off of bone.

Only good for 300 yards and under.
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>>189043550
Because if they can villify the most popular gun in America, they can villify them all. Mind you, they're still going for all the little shit they can, but they're trying to work from the bottom and the top, to the middle.
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>>189046949

My nigger, AR15's can go easily out to 500, AR10's can punch out to 1000.

Even a shotgun with slugs can punch out to 150.

Go watch some of nutnfancys videos on jewtube, dude shoots out to like 1500 with an AR10. Thats why they want them banned so bad.
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>>189045768
>no better defense at 400+ yards
Are you talking about an AR10?
My PTR-91 will out perform your meme rifle at any range including home defense at 5 yards
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>>189047553

Yidya games don't count.

Squirrel bones don't count.
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>>189043550
of course they know. it's low hanging fruit for them. at least is was back in the 80's and 90's when few americans owned them. now it's as common as a camry so low hanging no longer but they're too stupid to come up with anything better.
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>>189045502
I hate commies and leftists, but, you're ok. I'll bury your corpse in our cemetary with full honors, after the war.
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>>189043550
early on in sandy hook shooting they found 2 pistols on adam lanza. then they changed it to him using AR-15
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>>189043550
Coming soon - the BS-17
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>>189043550
They want to make room for their favorite
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>and they're just hoping that an AR-15 ban will be a step towards total semi-auto (and eventually all firearms) bans
It's this but it holds one more reason.
AR15 is the symbol of America in firearms and attacking the symbol is more effective which will make it.
If they get rid of the symbol, they can get rid of everything the symbol holds.
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>>189047611

I know this isn't /k/ but 7.62 isn't meant to punch out that far, it was developed to be a mid-range heavy hitting round, thats why modern military's choose AR over AK. .308 win is honestly where it's at, and especially in an AR platform.

Anyways pointless as shit debate, but theres a reason every single military in the world uses AR15's with .556, and AR10's/bolt guns with .308 for long range
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Not even that. It's not as good as most semi-autos. The 5.56 round simply isn't that great.

(My preference: .308)
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>>189043550
They want to terrorize small rural communities. Even if they ban the ar15s and other rifles like them, they will just start crying about semi auto pistols and magazine capacity, and they won't stop until everyone is disarmed.
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>>189049334
Don't listen to this jew. Discord leads to doxxing 100% of the time. NEVER use discord, they feed your chatlogs directly to antifa and the ADL.
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>>189045699
>There was a plan.
And it's been going on for a long time.
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>>189045502
Why would you support lefty politicians if your pro gun?
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>>189045748
>No shit! Johnson loved what could happen with guns bought through the mail right up until late Nov.1963
Underrated
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>>189044311
>the meme about lefty hipsters loving CZs is real
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>>189044311
Because most guns are owned by white males, comrade. The process of rounding them up and sending them to gulags will go easier if they are unarmed.
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>>189049133
Wtf is this gun and why ever mount something on the gas tube seems like its not going to last long
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>>189049937
you're
ffs
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>>189049133

Weapon platforms have alot to do with strategic doctrine. The nato platform is still based on the rifleman and always has been. The Soviet platform was always waves of conscripts. Russian weapons throw down lead and alot of it. With 5.45 and x54r your comment about 5.56 and x51 is mute, the russian federation is in the 21st century and has changed their strategy to match it.

Anyways as a civilian I went vepr and have all the hunting furniture to hopefully trick the fun grabbers. I'd still take an accurized ak platform over an AR any day.
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>>189050192
I know cunt
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>>189043550
Rarely used in crime, less than 1% of muders and not even most mass shootings, yet the target of all their talks.

The left just wants to ban the funnest and most common gun platform with the most affordable ammos to practice. Every law they push against AR's also bans any semi auto .22 rifle and other center fire semi automatic cartridges. They are trying to disarm the right more than they are trying to do anything about crime. It's literally their only focus. Of course they obsess about it. Ex, Colorado having uninformed Commiefornia refugees vote to ban more than 1 round "High capacity" magazines, straight up banned numerous businesses from the state, killed hundreds of thousands of jobs, and banned all the most common home defense guns and sporting rifles. Meanwhile violent crime increased.

I hate the left so much,. I wish they could just fuck off and stay in the hellholes they create.
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Seeing as that I live in Portland, I figure I'm in the kickoff area for the first real commie chimp out if/when that happens. Maybe after Trump gets reelected (dog bles :) ), but potentially after midterms. I don't want to possibly be under-armed, I have a 8+1 12ga, but that will only do so much. I went and picked up pic related up last week. At least Oregon's gun laws aren't fucked like Californias. Yet.
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>>189043550

It's just an easily digestible propaganda term for the NPCs, much like "barrel bombs"
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>>189050038
meh i got them both for an amazing deal and they're solid guns
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>>189050038
The big box stores will always push the cz onto the "which pistol do you recommend" crowd
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>>189043550
Incremental repeal of the 2nd amendment
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>>189050891
I'm moving to your state, how fast do I need to get some firearms?
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>>189044311
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>>189052238
this
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>>189052589
>>189050891
This, is it like a DO IT NOW, or it can wait type deal
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>>189050067

Go to your local inner city ghetto and take out your pistol. I bet you see as many guns as your would in a country hunting club. We have more guns than people in this country do not fool yourself. CCW is so easy now and I am sure many like me just do it without licensing, because the whole point of concealment is no one knows.
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>>189043607
>rimjobs and rimfire go hand in hand
Is there no limit to their Freudian degeneracy?
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>>189043550
>cheap
>modular
>lightweight ammo
>penetrates body armor
Perfect weapon against tyranny
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>>189052589
I'm willing to bet that Kate fucking Brown will get rubberstamped back in for her third term to continue working on hobo imports and #resisting, so.... maybe three more mass shootings committed by a white guy?
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>>189045439

because you've been conditioned to think anyone not on your team is satan.
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>>189044894
>the garand frame is camouflage against lefties
Scout Squad M1A’s & Mini-14s/30s for everyone
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>>189044894

its talked about because its the most popular gun in the US and currently the same platform that the military uses, its THAT simple.
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>>189044311
mixed race ar
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>>189044311
>only one EVO
Stop being po—
Oh... that’s right, commies are forever poor
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I feel banning all semiautomatic rifles and handguns is fine. People should be allowed to own revolvers, rifles, and shotguns.
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>>189050891
Don't underestimate your 12Ga.
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>>189053357
>cringe
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>>189044723
>>189050038
The CZ scorpion is awesome. I own one. Cheap, reliable, resonably accurate for what it is. I have about 2k rounds through mine shooting about 10 different types of ammo. Brass, aluminum, and steel case FMJ and hollowpoint. It has eaten it all with no malfunction of any kind.

It's fun to shoot and 9mm is cheap. What's not to like?
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>>189047818
was there a comparably popular rifle back then?
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Exactly why I think we need to be pushing the P90 or a locally licensed variant. Most of us don't need to shoot 300m anyway.
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>>189043550

Takes very little to change it to full auto, This is probably an argument they can just reference to that fact.
There are other weapons you can do this with In the UK you can have them but with no gas cycling or piston gas cyclic action, you have to cock it for each shot.
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>>189054027
>It's fun to shoot and 9mm is cheap. What's not to like?

its S O U L L E S S
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>>189044061
ARs aren't automatic, dipshit.
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>>189043550
100% because they want to eventually ban all guns. Gun laws are all emotional, they immediately fall apart if you use any sort of logical reasoning
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>>189054098
The P90's ammo is retarded. Way too expensive and worse than 5.56mm. It is a cool gun, but not practical. Of course if it gained popularity ammo price would come down.
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>>189054269
>souless
>posts ak/glock abomination
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>>189054427

5.7 isn't even that expensive anymore. its still not the cheapest shit out there but its definitely affordable. last time i saw it, it was 30 cents a round.
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>>189054427
Your 7.62 was expensive when it came out, and the AR only dropped below 1500 in the last decade or so. Demand drives production.
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>>189054285

They are automatics , just not full auto regarding most civilian versions, other are.
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Plain and simple:
The AR platform stands for the M16, and the M16 stands for the several wars in US' post-war history, especially Vietnam. They don't care about the AR, the just see the M16 and the wars it participated in.
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>>189054601
That’s almskt 2x the price of 9mm and similarly priced to .223
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>>189053860
If you're cringing about the condition of my bayonet, you should know that I use it as a gardening tool. If you're cringing about anything else, that 590A1 is the shit and you can suck my nuts. I'm good to 2 inches at 65yds with a slug. I trust in my Mossberg.

>>189054027
I'm sure it's a lot of fun, but I wouldn't have it for anything but to play with and I don't have money for toys quite yet.
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>>189054711
Except it was no less than Ché Guevara who said you should always use weapons that can chamber the rounds the enemy uses. Doesn't have to be an AR, but it should at least be able to fire a 5.56 NATO without hazard or difficulty.
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>>189054601

Yeah but to get the SS190 duty ammo is expensive to buy and that's what makes it good along with the five seven.
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>>189053250
but those inner city niggers don't have their firearms legally, so any new gun laws wouldn't apply to their guns.
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>>189054787
>That’s almskt 2x the price of 9mm

yes because 9x19 has been in use for over a hundred years and 5.56 has been in use for over 50 years by multiple militaries.
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>>189054687
They are semi-automatic. Don't be a leftist piexe of shit liar and intentionally try to conflate semi-auto and full auto. There is a clearly defined legal difference that has been in place for nearly 100 years.
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>>189054932
>but those inner city niggers don't have their firearms legally

do you have a single fact to back that up or is this just headcanon?
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>>189043550
>implying people aren't gong to start shooting people in the streets when it's outright banned.
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>>189043550
I used the ar-15 when I was an infantryman in the military, their are better rifles out there. Fucking thing is an over engineered piece of shit ,they even nigger rigged a fix f it's jamming issues in the form of a button
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>>189054891
No, what makes it good is that it's ambidextrous, hits about equal out to early 20th rifle kneeling ranges from standing position, and it's light enough that your wife can use it for hours. All these people talk about home defense weapons, and most of us live in populated areas were any shot with a hunting rifle, or even a large caliber AR, will travel the length of our block.
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Don’t comply with antigun laws
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>>189055072
Considering the high rates of felony status amongst ICNs, it would stand to reason that yes, their weapons are acquired by illegal means.
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>>189055143
liar
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>>189055010

You stated they are not Automatics
Then talk shit about me and admit they are!

yeah, nah!
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>>189043550
I'm "left," and I own two AR-15s, in addition to few handguns.
Is that ok with you?
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>>189054932

It wouldn't apply to ours either. My point is firearms will not go anywhere when they become illegal. No part of a firearm is hard to produce on the same machine tooling as everything else. Once they become illegal it will become easier to get firearms. Same way the war on drugs made them easy to get on every corner, guns will be the same.
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>>189045439
>I don't trust leftists who talk
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>>189055254
There is no law which is anti-gun, because that would violate the right of the people to keep and bear arms. There are, however, color-of-law codes.
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>>189047851
This is fair but only if the corner grave spot by the dumpster isn't already taken
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>>189055395
>Red team good
>Blue team bad
>blue team are fake people red team are protagonists

this is how you sound
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>>189055072
it's headcanon. Is it incorrect?
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Jeez those are expensive. Heard people recommending shotguns for home defense, those look a lot cheaper.
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>>189055333
>Found the intellectually dishonest leftist piece of shit
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>>189055514
you're retarded
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>>189043550
They think it’s like the movies and you can kill 15 men with one shot and nuke and entire country with the grenade launcher.

Seriously, everything Leftie’s think they know they got from tv and movies and they actually believe that shit is real.
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>>189055659
Yeah, the Maverick 88 is around $180-$200
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>>189043550
its black and looks scary
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>>189043550
It's the modern musket

There shall be no ban
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>>189055197

Use a short shotgun for home defense. I'm sleepy when I am awoken so I prefer not to have to aim. If you are worried about penetration use a pistol. I just picked up the Remington 870 Tac 14, and love it.
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>>189044311
>calls himself progun
>has to vote for gun grabbers to be a lefty
???
let me guess, they'll never take yours because you voted for them, right?
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>>189055767
Yea, well, if you keep sliding down Grandfather's dick, you're gonna have the equivalent of a musket in 30 years with that ancient piece of shit.
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>>189055659
A shotgun is a fine weapon for home defense, but don't go thinking that the sound it makes when you chamber a round is going to make mr burglar go away. 00 buck in his chest will though.
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>>189043550
Gun control BTFO for the next 30 years.
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>>189053392
No but you sure as fuck are maligned with evil.
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>>189043550
It's black and can fit a lot of attachments, that's it. Redpilling my gf on guns has been an enlightening expirience, the general populace knows next to nothing about firearms.
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>>189043550
>say they want the AR-15 banned
it is too late
thanks palmetto
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>>189043550
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>>189043550
It's funny that the last three or four major shootings all had three or four killed and involved handguns, yet not a peep about gun control.
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>>189055659
12 gauge buckshot has excellent power and will stop somebody cold in one shot. The problem for home defense with a 12 gauge is usually the length of the gun. It is very long and unwieldy indoors. There are short barrel shotguns but you have to be carefull with legality and the format of the gun in the USA. Retarded shit likw the style of grip and stock is the differwnce between prison time and being perfectly legal when it comes to a short barrel shotgun in the USA.
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>>189045204
We don’t need your support faggot. We got the Supreme Court.
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>>189044311
>pro gun leftie
I'm happy that we share an interest, but I'm afraid your personal politics are gonna fuck it up for everyone.
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>>189055336
You own these weapons, but vote for politicians who wish to take them from you, correct? So do you consider the second amendment to be off lesser concern then some other issues that you agree with them on?
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>>189055855
most niggers will drop their own pants before they stick around on a shotgun in someone else's house. may not stop a determined home invasion, but most people will rethink their plan of action and find a quick exit.
And you're correct, a jagged hollow point slug from a 20 will stop Baboon Bobby from his night of "reparations."
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>>189055781
>knockoff memewave
>not having to aim a shotgun
>slugs don't penetrate
You're going to hurt yourself if you have to fire any follow ups.
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>>189055309
I was 11b , 3rd ID . Live in bachelor housing on kellyhell
You don't have to believe me though , they do make better weapons , ones that aren't nigger rigged with a forward assist button you are supposed to tap every time you pull the charging handle
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>>189043550
It's just a very recognizable gun and serves the distinction of basically being the gun our armed forces mostly uses. But yes, lefties tend to go all in without knowing jack shit about anything. Especially guns.
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>>189056040
I don't rely on institutions to keep my liberties. I utilize them, but not depend.
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>>189056027

see

>>189055781


So SBR tax, manufactured as a pistol. I have practiced inside shooting, this is a fantastic length.
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>>189043550
It looks scarey, it looks similiar to what a lot of the ingnorant public would call an "assault rifle" despite be way lower calibre and rates of fire and lacking active cooling systems, and that all makes it one of the highest profile and easiest to afford or use. That makes it the very easiest target of the gun-grubber left (who usually all end up owning the very guns they are trying to regulate or ban, or are protected by security that uses them).

https://youtu.be/W8YuPPWuGW8
https://youtu.be/YjM9fcEzSJ0
These 2 videos are a very good primer on the libtard agenda.
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>>189056070
Leftists are a strange bunch. I work with one who loves guns, owns an AR, loves to talk about it, and thinks ARs should be banned.

I think lefties have a submissive cuck fetish that spills into all aspects of their life.
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>we've banned X
>X is identical to Y
>Y is also banned

Replace X with AR-15, and Y with assault rifle. This is a basic liberal tactic. Ban one thing, then you can ban every similar thing by association.
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Anyone who supports an "assault weapon ban" is literally an NPC with no self awareness or critical thinking skills. They're soulless husks and should be treated as such
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>>189043550
Banana peels cause more death per annum.
It's a fucking joke.
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>>189044061
There's literally nothing wrong with owning automatic weapons.
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>>189043550
Shhhh, we don't want them to catch on.
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>>189055794
>>189056050
i don't vote for democrats
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>>189056497
The argument that nigs will get a hold of them is retarded since they already don't follow laws and might not be able to afford them.
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>>189056199

It has a bead sight, however it was manufactured with a curved pistol grip for hip firing. I train with it at distances of five and ten yards (that is my longest hallway within my home). If you have a local single action shooting society they can help you with the wonders of hip firing and why it is very accurate and precise.
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>>189044311
Can't keep the slaves in line if they can easily fight back against you.
Kavanaugh is going to help us toss all of the garbage grabber unconstitutional judicial rulings now, thanks to your side of the isle for tempering him into new-look Clarence Thomas.
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>>189055664

>found the retard who doesnt understand AUTOMATIC
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>>189056550
>Call himself a democrat, doesn't vote from them
What are you political beliefs?
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>>189056040
>We don’t need your support faggot.
you talk as if i'm a third party. i'm part of that "we".
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>>189056497
Not all of us have that kind of money to spend on a personal armory. Also, aren't those more like a super car/investment? You don't want to actually use and devalue them as far as I see it.
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>>189043550
Because it has been used in so many mass shootings there is a large symbolic value in banning it. So they could say they got a big win, and their voters will be happy. Now if it's just another semi-auto why such a hard on for stopping the ban?
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>>189056199
Pattern on a tac 14 at 5 yards is literally 3 feet with number 4. The preferred round of the US Marshall's when they carried the witness pro (aka what the tac 14 is based off of).

That's pretty good as that's essentially the doorway of your aiming at it half asleep. Probably best option a civilian could have for "not aiming" it's not like we can own remote fired lmgs we have set up facing down the hallway.
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>>189056745
where did i call myself a democrat? not interested in derailing this thread to talk about my politics
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>>189045204
Fuck lefties and their values.
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>>189056070
What leftist politician wants to "take my guns away?" Serious question.
I think you're referring to the 0.0001% group of of citizens on the far left who scream about gun bans.
Just another scare tactic from the right, in addition to the open borders nonsense.
The grand majority of the left wants neither.
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>>189056860
See the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
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>>189056457
Either that, or a porky cynically manipulating the population into disarming themselves like good little slaves.
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>>189043550
Not all left, comrade
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>>189056687
I really hope for your sake you are just trying to troll and really aren't this fucking stupid. If you are trolling I give you 1/10 because I replied. If you are serious I have pitty on you.
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>>189056876
Leftist, sorry, what makes you a leftist?
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>>189056860
Of course the fucking Blue Helmet doesn't understand statistics" nor has any idea what the fuck a "pistol" is.
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>>189055072
When have niggers ever chosen to follow the law anon?
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>>189057014
He's getting you on a techincality
The m-1911 was called an automatic when it entered service ,so were a bunch of other semi-automatic rifles and handguns. The definition has changed but the still call a m-1911 an automatic
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>>189056869
We can't? I've got a CROWS system that runs off an AI I made outside my bedroom. Step your game up senpai.
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>>189056948
Unfortunately there are leftists, like in the CPSU, who uncritically repeat the bourgeois line about guns, claiming that they're useless, that they harm workers, that they're only owned by racists, or some other bullshit. Meanwhile the police are turning themselves into a second army, and all they can do is whine. The defense and political liberty of the workers comes first, and it people get hurt or killed because guns and the pathology of late capitalism don't mix well, then that's unfortunate, but as the saying goes, "freedom isn't free." The faster we revolt, the sooner we can solve the problem.
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>>189055741
>Maverick 88
Certainly has a nice name
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>>189043550
it scares them and is an "army gun" so they think its less defensible for civilians to own in their stupid fuckt up peanut brains
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50 million Americans armed with AR 15 wield more power than the federal government. The feds run psyops like Sandy Hoax and Vegas with the explicit intent of banning the AR. The fake news propagandists who are part of the corrupt establishment push the narrative to ban the AR because they want supreme power. The NPCs believe what the fake news tells them to believe.
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>>189056948
Let's start with the last Democrat nominee.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/clinton-calls-for-a-new-assault-weapons-ban-12-years-after-the-last-one-expired/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a242e2e34724
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>>189056869
You need a gun you don't want to miss with in the dark while being half asleep? Get a fucking shotgun
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>>189056968
That is not an argument if they want to remove one brand of gun, and all others are equal to it.
>>189057067
it's a sidearm
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>>189056869
if you can miss with a p90 unsighted at house distance ranges you're a spasmatic who shouldn't have any weapons at all. you can't hold it without aiming it, test one the next time you're at the range. and if you're aiming across the yard you will get there faster with the P90 than with any shotgun, unless your name is Rambo and you weight your arms with cinderblocks when you run.
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>>189057229
I have noticed the news casters will whisper semi the raise their voice to say AUTOMATIC
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>>189056027
Good to know. I'm in CA so I want to buy one out of state and bring it in. The police are so corrupt they'd probably try to steal it from me.
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>>189043550
The AR represents demographic growth in gun ownership and it is an effective weapon with both legitimate sporting, hunting and self defense purposes. The left fights by demographics. Until the Assault weapons ban sunset gun ownership per ca-pita was decreasing. Now it is increasing rapidly and the most popular first rifle is the AR. They are trying to stop new gun owners at all cost.
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>>189043550
Why semi-auto rifles? It's literally a giant pistol that shoots bigger thing. The AR-15 only exists because they barred the sale of the real OG like M16.
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>>189054818
No, just the bayonet
>I hope you unload the slugs before you start gardening tho
kek
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>>189057448
>That is not an argument if they want to remove one brand of gun, and all others are equal to it.
Why not, specifically?
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>>189056311
Lol, the cal hat is a good touch.
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>>189057435
get a light on your AR and it will never be dark again + 29 followup shots
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>>189056869

The pattern is tighter on 00 magnum for some reason. I rock climb so my grip is a vise, I let people at my range shoot it and the occasionally lose it and it goes for a flight. makes me laugh every time.
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>>189056860
1. No, no it really isn't. Pistols are overwhelmingly used in the majority of illegal shootings due to their concealable nature. And this is why most states have "hand gun" registrations and restrictions and none for singular and double action riffles (ignoring commiefornia and northern Illinois).

2. There is no restriction beyond background checks to apply to State regulations of ownership that congress can make, nor judiciary can constitutionally uphold, the 2nd only affirms the NATURAL RIGHT to keep and bear arms - by it's very existence no law, regulation, or ban can or may supersede it. The same goes for the rest of our Bill of Rights.
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>>189056869
The tac14 isn't based off anything but the 870, then modified to compete with the Mossberg shockwave. Remington was late to the game on the hand cannon, so I see why they would say that for marketing purposes.
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>>189057841
Strobe light would be better ,disorientate the nigger before you make it into swiss cheese
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>>189057435
A tac 14 is a shotgun that was my point.

>reading and comprehending is hard.
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If you're getting old, or if you have women in the house, I strongly suggest looking at the P90.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/jeffrey-lynch/gun-review-fnh-ps90/
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>>189058238
Dude, use the weapons whole name, not it's abbreviation you moron
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>>189058098
Say that? I own one and I know that.

Also they are not late.

Remshit has been making the tac 14 since in 80s maybe 70s. I believe it was actually 13 inch and not 14 at the time but it was government only. Mossberg was copying the remshit pre carbine PDW the Marshall's used while carrying around court houses and prisoner transport.
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>>189057229
Exactly. I fully understand the term automatic the way he is using it. But pieces of shit like him change definition in the same sentence and use it as a synonym for machine gun and purposefully mix and match the two.

Much like how a leftist will say there have been 200+ "mass shootings" this year and say "white males" are responsible for most of them. Never mind that the 200+ number is including all the black on black gang violence where 3 or more people have been wounded in one incident. They aren't random acts of violence in a public place in an attempt to kill as many people as possible. They quote numbers that are overwhelmingly committed by blacks, then swap definitions of mass shooting mid sentence so they can say white males do it more often while still quoting numbers that are by far majority black crime.

These people are intentionally liars and are human garbage.
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>>189058238
Remington model 870, tac 14 is it's it's improper name
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>>189043550
>1 post by this ID
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>>189057712
No, I use them to shoot holes for bulbs. My tulips in the spring will look great.
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>>189043550
They legitimately don't know anything about guns. They think AR means assault rifle and listen to press stories where basic facts about firearms are twisted into pure nonsense.
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>>189044311
CZ lol faggot hipster
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>>189058689
Remington model 870 pump action shotgun, model tac 14 (82310)

Happy
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>>189043550
>r do they realize it, and they're just hoping that an AR-15 ban will be a step towards total semi-auto (and eventually all firearms) bans?
this, plus it's the only firearm any of them can identify by name.
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>>189058896
It's a handgun, not a shotgun, ya dingus.
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>>189055333
Christ you are fucking retarded
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>>189058284

Unless you pay the tax stamp and get the 10.5 inch barrel its not advantageous indoors. A pistol with an extended magazine or double stack would be fine. I am not saying the p90 is not cool, it is very expensive for most peoples budgets.

A solid revolver is a great option, very reliable and easy operation. A lot of them have rails built in for lights.
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>>189058673

>underrated.
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXIdf59SplQ
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>>189058989
According to the ATF it is neither. It's a smooth bore weapon.
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>>189059086
A smoothbore scatter gat with a pistol grip.
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>>189059230

Boomstick.
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Get a Smith and Wesson M&P M2.0, very good pistols for very cheap. 9mm, you can easily get 1000 rounds for around $150. Then add a light to it and night sights.

AR15's are nice if there's a war scenario, but handguns you can keep on you more and are less obvious and easier to use inside or at night.
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>>189059007
>6 shots
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>>189059230
It's not a pistol though. ATF got fucked hard on these for classification.
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>>189044311
Don't know why everyone replied to you as though you're a Democrat partisan. Left-liberals may want to ban guns, but I don't know a single bonafide, CLASS WAR NOW leftist who doesn't like his guns.
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>>189058238
Birdshot is only a deterrent, I would go with #00 6-10 ball buckshot, it has stopping power, but not a heck of a lot of over-penetration with a stubbed barrel.
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>>189059230
>>189059086
>>189058989
Everything I learned about firearms I learned in the military, I'm not exactly the biggest gun nut.
I do know that the less complex a weapon is, the less likely it will fail during usage .
Why I own Judge Revolver rife
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>>189058563
The tac 14 came out last year. If you're talking about the one that no one outside law enforcement could buy, sure, but that thing has only been on the market for over a year and was a couple months behind the mossberg shockwave. Remington rushed it out to deal with a direct competitor.
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>>189059007
If the barrel on the PS90 is too long for home defense, then why talk about a shotgun or an AR? This is not contradictory?
Dude, it barely sticks out past your elbow, you can walk sideways through a door with the gun at level, most shotguns? not happening.
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>>189044311
Are we doing a bedroom gun show.

My collection of guns laying about the bedroom is far more autistic than yours. It's literally fedora wearing.

Poorly taken picture to prove my point as well.
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>>189050891
Bushmaster XM15 is a nice starter rifle. Good job, anon. Buy ammo and an optic, vortex strikeeagle II 1-8x can be picked up for cheap.
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>>189059524
I prefer Glock. But you do you.
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>>189043550
shhhh
don't tell them or they'll start trying to ban every single semi-auto rifle instead of just the scary M-16 looking meme gun
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>>189059331
Smith & Wesson 627
>8 (.357)

Any revolver with speed loaders or moon clips can be reloaded very quickly. It does not take more practice than a couple of times a month to be able to reload quickly.
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>>189059391
I carry numba 4. Just like the marshalls. Day I got it the range only allowed non lead and all they had was birdshot.
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>>189059358
THIS IS MY RIFLE
THIS IS MY GUN
THIS IS FOR KILLIN PORKIES
THIS ONE'S FOR FUN!
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>>189058563
Those would be remodel Flight King single-arm pumpaction federal issue arms there, Bud.
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>>189043550
Left still thinks that AR means assault rifle and not ArmaLite, that’s evidence enough
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>>189043550
stupid question, because obviously it's stupid to ban one style of AR over any other that shoots the same ammo.

so here's a better question -- why do you need magazines with larger than 5 bullet capacity? i like guns, and honestly i like to have more than 5 bullet capacity for convenience sake, but there's no justification beyond that.
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>>189059680
I'm going to stick with the iron sights for now, I learned to shoot on them when I was in the Army and kind of enjoy them. I will move on to optics later. I did walk out with 500 rounds and 7 more mags in case I lose some in a boating accident someday.
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>>189059587

With the dopey 16.5 inch barrel it is awkward. The shotgun I recommended is almost the same overall length, yet a lot cheaper. They are both a bit over 26 inches overall. The shotgun is more reliable. I also recommended a pistol or revolver since they are designed for use in close quarters.

I am being realistic not a fanboy.
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blaket@inrecognition.org
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>>189060138
Because it's just pieces of metal put together.
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>>189060188

sorry its not quite a 16 inch barrel they throw on the P90 for the gooberment.

>16.04 Inch

Overall length was the point.
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>>189045204

I'll throw you a bone m8. If you're left leaning and you would still heavily oppose an AR ban, I can respect that, to a degree. Sounds like you're a moderate. Sure you may vote against your interest but not everyone is a single issue voter. The reason people are so critical of you is that the 2A is the support beam of all the others. To each their own. But if you're a commie come judgement day, there is no helping you then.
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>>189059835
What's funny is that there's not a singe antifaggot in Portland that could double-time a mile with more than 10lbs on and a rifle in hand.
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>>189060138
>so here's a better question -- why do you need magazines with larger than 5 bullet capacity?
In a fight, people don't always drop from one round and not every round hits. The ability to send followup shots without having to swap a magazine can be life-saving. This is a big reason police have moved from revolvers to large capacity automatics over the last several decades.
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>>189060291
this, /k/ already designed a line of 3D printed magazines years ago that can be built by anyone, even some using rare Earth magnets so you dont even need to buy springs. banning them would be useless when there has already been so much effort put into getting around such a ban.
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In Canada that's literally the logic of gun classification: if it's a famous movie weapon it gets restricted (e.g. the AR-15 and AKs)

I believe that's also the case in some US states.
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>>189043550
Both. Liberals a both hyper ignorant on guns and hope that banning AR-15s will set a precedent to allow them to ban all or most guns.
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>>189060138
The natural right to keep and bear arms that are equivalent to any level of armament a standing federalized military or authority may possess.
Read the Federalist Letters (or Papers, if you are that dumb).
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>>189060460
You might be right, and that would be most unfortunate. Thankfully, self-improvement is a thing.
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>>189045502
Who do you support currently that is pro-gun and left? Seems everyone in the party has shifted to the extreme. Even Bernie used to be pro-gun but he’s running from it because of the insanity of the liberals right now.
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>>189059658
Why the actual fuck are half of the shells one way and the other half the other way on that stock shell holder!?
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>>189060746
Loading tube vs chamber loads
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>>189060746
Probably different shot types.
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>>189060138

It is designed to have a usable amount of ammunition without taxing the operator with excess weight. Being able to shoot longer before reloading is advantageous in a firefight.

We also believe in freedom in the US so if someone wants to have a 100 round drum magazine they can. Guns don't kill people, Larger magazine capacities don't kill people. People kill people.

The only thing banning or regulation do is grow the black market where all of these things are plentiful. It will only hurt law abiding citizens and peoples ability to protect themselves, homes, communities and families.
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>>189060827
Or that
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>>189044311
Because it hasn’t caused you to switch parties, because you’re a retard
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>>189060876
There’s a documentary about the Chicago gun underground and how gangs are pricing firearms they sell based on the number of crimes already logged against the serial. You can get a gun for $100 if you really want to kill someone.
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>>189060827
That... makes sense, I suppose... Personally, I would never do that though... looks like a good way to jam a shotgun.
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>>189060840
>>189060827

Both of these, but also varied grain loads, or shot material and/or material weight.
It's really just personal to the shooter.
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>>189061070
How does a gun get back into underground circulation once the police have possession of it to associate its serial with a crime?
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>>189061247
See >>189061243
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>>189061036
>because you’re a retard
learn to read, retard. i'm not a democrat
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>>189043550
>AR-15
It's a retarded pea shooter not even fit to be used in war and they've turned it into the boogieman.
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>>189060580
in a fight you'd probably be using a handgun. so for a handgun it makes sense to have a higher cap i agree with that. but for an AR i'm not totally convinced. it is a pain to constantly reload at the range, but also i get that i wouldn't want a terrorist or gang banger with 30 round cap. in an AR

>>189060876
yes people kill people, but some things definitely make it easier for them to accomplish it.

as far as a black market, it can only really thrive is the items are being produced in the first place. if larger mags weren't be produced for the public and there were huge penalties for using high cap mags you'd see a decrease in mass shootings i guarantee
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>>189061320
I didn’t say that. There are no leftist parties in the USA that do not support excessive control or outright confiscation.
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>>189060672
Thankfully, that isn't something commies engage in lest they start having right wing beliefs.
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>>189061526
>but also i get that i wouldn't want a terrorist or gang banger with 30 round cap. in an AR

They would just buy it illegally... lol
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>>189061526
>if larger mags weren't be produced for the public and there were huge penalties for using high cap mags you'd see a decrease in mass shootings i guarantee
Except columbine occurred during one of these periods of no high cap mags
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>>189061243
What? Dont say that to me or my wives son every again.

How the fuck you gonna jam a shotgun? Shooter knows how he put em. 3 for the tube 3 for the chamber. Placed in strategically ergonomic places to facilitate those two actions.
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>>189061526
If I'm in a fight out in the world it will probably be with a handgun since that's what I carry, but at home I would only use the handgun to fight my way to the carbine. Just a better weapon system.
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>>189061243
Practice, practice, practice.
But seriously, the retaining ring on the end of the brass load makes it impossible to reverse load a shotgun, it's a simple matter of knowing how your slotted ammo is positioned and having the "muscle memory" down if your really that worried about it. Again, it's personal to the shooter, I myself just know what slot I loaded which ammo group. IDK what your having a hard time understanding..
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>>189060176
I prefer irons on my AR. Optics are cool, but I really appreciate a good carry handle sight.
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>>189061526

>Gangs

Doesn't matter for them they will use something regardless of the law.

Also guns are not very hard to make. Even weapons specifically manufactured for markets excluding civilian markets still end up on the streets. Human beings are not immune to being corrupted.

On my other point guns are not very complicated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH76VoI_hsw
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>>189060138
The 2nd amendment is not about self defense. It is about thw citizens being able to rise up against tyranny. You are correct that most self defense situations require less than 5 rounds. A gunfight requires more than 5 rounds.
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>>189061627
there are 2A advocates and gun control advocates in every party. i don't belong to any of them though
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They like the AR-15 as a target because it has AR ("Assault Rifle!" REEEEEEE!) and the -15 sounds like an M-16 or AK-47. It sounds really scary, and NPCs are so stupid they don't even know it's a semiauto-only gun.
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>>189043550
Let's not forget that the AR 15 also sucks and jams easily and I would prefer a Russian weapon over it
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>>189062122
I've seen antiguns viscerally reject even being told what "semi-automatic" means.
I think they think they're being trolled because it has automatic in the word?
They just get angry and refuse to learn.
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>>189057712
What's wrong with bayonets?
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>>189062210
Never had a hiccup in my Colt AR. I have had misfires with AKs during rapid firing.
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>>189043550

Average voters have no clue.

The politicians absolutely understand, and absolutely have ulterior motives for wanting to ban this particular firearm.
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>>189062122
This is why I will always refer anyone pushing a narrative, or who doesn't understand the difference to these 2 videos.
>>189056311
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>>189043550
they haven't thought it through, they just think the government should base policy on their ~feelings~ as usual
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>>189062294
They understand. They are intentionally dishonest. They are angry you see through their childish tactic
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>>189062097

This anon gets it. The entire point is to be able to fight threats "both foreign and DOMESTIC."
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>>189062294
Don't forget Schumer's fearmongering over how single-shot printed guns could be upgraded to be "fully semiautomatic."
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>And this is why most states have "hand gun" registrations
No they don't. Only commie shithole states like Illinois have any sort of gun registration.
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>>189062210
>>189062373
97.3% of AR jams are because people don't clean them so direct impingement keeps dumping crap right into the feeding area. You can get a piston AR tho
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>>189062373
Pre-'98 owner :)
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It's all just steps

They know they can't ban guns outright, and if they called for it no one would support them, so they make these "reasonable" arguments

"Okay, the second amendment is important but it doesn't cover ar-15s! What could you possibly need an assault rifle for" ignoring of course that it isn't an assault rifle

If the AR was banned then it would be

"Why do you need a magazine fed rifle? Who needs 30 shots?"

then it'd dbe

"Who needs a semi automatic rifle? Why does anyone need semi automatic fire?"

etc etc until you are left with bolt actions and .22s
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>>189062567
Oh, wow, look at that .308 Dick Waver...
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>>189061971
I keep all of my loads brass up and I never mix rounds, I just like to keep it simple I suppose...
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Gotta love those nonsensical ATF definitions.
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>>189045502
>it may be rare, but we do exist
a pro-gun lefty makes as much sense as a pro-choice newborn baby. the left would rather kill you than let you keep a gun yet you support them. makes no sense. sort yourself out.
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>>189043550
Because lefties are the slice of the retarded masses that hate the very concept of each man is responsible for his own safety. They listen to Lawrence O'Donnell for his owners' directives on what to think about guns. Lawrence. O'Donnell. The NPC meme is real. Fuck it.
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>>189062797
I'd like these idiots to point out where in the 2nd amendment it has the word 'need' or requires a 'good reason'.
It's pretty disgusting how these laws keep getting passed on reasoning like this despite being every single one of them being unconstitutional.
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>>189062850
I made my own molle system, but all of my brass is down since my left arm and hand are disabled and I toss and load righty exclusively. It's not that hard to remember what series I slotted them either.
Practice, practice, practice.
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They know it's the same as any other semi-auto rifle. Eventually everything will be considered and assault weapon...such a strange world we live in.
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>>189063385
Marx was against the german constitution of 1848 that included a right to own and carry firearms.
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>>189062847

This is some other /k/ommando. I just like the spread.
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>>189063019
>a pro-gun lefty makes as much sense as a pro-choice newborn baby
You underestimate the stupidity of the left.
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>>189062980
The AR with the sig brace is not a handgun, but it is a pistol. They're two distinct definitions with some overlap.
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>>189060188
26.23(FNPS90) vs 26.4 (870tac14)
>The shotgun is more reliable.
Not a chance. Field Stripping the 90 is the simplest that exists on any magazine fed, and because of this you can easily forestall/ID any serious failures.
There are multiple loads, and you can get them for a bit more than a quarter per round in bulk. If you're established, and you can spend a bit more, for quality and accuracy, I think you can't go wrong with a PS90 for home defense, especially if you have neighbors or lots of people living in your house. I'd hunt small game with one, and I guarantee you can hunt small boar with the higher grain rounds.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dta6IFJeWPM
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>>189060597
>In Canada that's literally the logic of gun classification: if it's a famous movie weapon it gets restricted (e.g. the AR-15 and AKs)
>I believe that's also the case in some US states.
That's also why some states have bans on people carrying switchblades, nunchucks, and throwing stars.
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>>189046949
Shut the fuck up. You have no clue what you are talking about. A .223 at 400m has more energy than a 9mm at point blank. please shut the fuck up
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>>189063651

Sorry the kids here do not know what communism is and think it is chic. The didn't have a wall to show them what side they would prefer to be on.
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>>189062980
And this is why I am not upset that the commies pushed against Kavanaugh so hard, Trump has wanted to tear down the alphabet soup agencies and their over-regulation, and now we have a pissed off knocked-right-of-center justice to go along with the other 4 to get the job done.
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>>189063801
That goes back to the days of slick back hair Italian guidos cutting people. It's just never changed.
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>>189063801
>That's also why some states have bans on people carrying switchblades, nunchucks, and throwing stars.
And all of those laws are unconstitutional. What was the point of the 2nd amendment again? It's not stopping any infringement.
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>>189063726
And don't forget an AR pistol over 26 inches in length with a vertical foregrip is no longer a pistol, it is a firearm which is yet another distinct class according to the ATF... gotta love it.
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>>189055905
yeah, no.
You are part of the problem.
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>>189063666
Sure, Satan, sure..
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>>189063801


California (except in martial arts classes)
New York (listed as "chuka sticks")
Massachusetts
Arizona

I had to look it up. My sides are in orbit. Pretty soon they are going to take our teeth. Since we can use them to cause serious injury.
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That's pre-revolution. After a revolution it always turns into 'hand them over, comrades'.
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>>189043550
Fun fact: the AR-15 is banned under Massachusetts law BUT the same law specifies that the Ruger Mini 14 is NOT banned.
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yes, that has always been there end goal. since they cant outright ban all firearms due to the constitution, theyre intention is to neuter as many aspects of them and make the process to get them as hard as possible so no one will eventually want one.

you can bet that if they get us down to only owning muskets, the first case of someone going on a shooting spree with 6 flintlocks on his belt and 3 rifles slung on his back they will be back with more restrictions.

THEY DO NOT WANT YOU ARMED.
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O_O
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>>189064583
The year is 20XX. Boxing has been made illegal. Practicing BJJ is a 10-year felony
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People hunt with AR-15's.
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>>189062363
Literally nothing
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>>189064583
Kentucky lists throwing stars as 'Chinese death stars'. You can't carry those or 'karate chukka sticks', but you can get a permanent and carry a pistol. All because they looked scary in a movie decades ago.
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>>189043550
>Or do they realize it, and they're just hoping that an AR-15 ban will be a step towards total semi-auto (and eventually all firearms) bans?
Get this man a cigar.

Duh shit.

Let's do fast facts: pretty much the only unjustified homicidal shootings ARs are used for are mass shootings. That equates to maybe tens per year. Round about 33,000 US citizens per year are killed by guns. 60% are suicides, the rest are homicides, justified (self defense, including if it's a cop shooting someone in the line of duty) or otherwise (accidents/manslaughter). Essentially if you get down to brass tacks shootings are only done by gang members. After that it's about ~2,000 people which is a statistically irrelevant figure.

But ARs are prominently featured and scary looking. Plus they have ALL the features: semi-auto, telescoping stock, pistol grip, VFG, muzzle device, detachable magazines of usually 30rds, etc. And it's not a far stretch to call them military guns because let's face it: they are (and that's good), only they aren't select-fire. But that scares normies or NPCs or whatever we're saying now.

So they're a big target, they encompass all the things the libs want gone, are high visibility, have a military equivalent... yet they aren't used much.

So then what? Get them banned and then when it appears that they weren't able to curb "gun violence" at all go for all the other semi-autos. They already took down the big dog so everything else should be easy. They will then go after handguns and note that (rightfully so) handguns cause more gun deaths than anything else. But they can't do that until they get the AR first.

Anyone that wants to take your guns away doesn't trust you as a citizen. There's millions of guns in this country, and by some count IIRC about 10m of them are ARs. Hardly any of those guns are used to kill people in cold blood by legally armed citizens. Your 2A rights should be among, if not the, most important right to protect.
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>>189064826

I don't even want to joke about that, you know some ridiculous politician is looking at MMA and wondering if they can somehow ban our gains.
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>>189064583
CA also bans "ninja stars" by name, the actual law says "njnja stars"
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>>189065048

I hope the world one day will stop being so ridiculous and just attempt logic.
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>>189065079
>wondering if they can somehow ban our gains.
Congress already did that. Maybe after weed is legalized they'll give us our gains back.
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>>189044311
What kind of lefty?
Economically left or socially left?
Or both?
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>>189043550
it's a symbolic attack on the white male conservative demographic that owns them
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>>189064826
Ought-oh, what if you have studied 2 schools of contact Tai Chi, 4 systems of Kung Fu including Zui Quan?? What's going to happen to me.. uh.. hypothetically?
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>>189065080

California is going to ban its own shadow soon.

>>189065345

Oh shi...
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But, I mean, you are aware you can do all of those tings with proper diet and training anyway right?
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>>189066131
You will be thrown into an arena and subjected to the Chicken Master.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ8PRtmLPT8
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>>189043789
>Its black, so it's scary.

deadly carry handle too
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>>189063923
do you think Trump knew the dems would pull such a low-blow move on Kavanaugh, and push him right?
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There's a reason the FN was NATO's first choice. Stupid Germans.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjD2dJlZPjk
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PS90 vs Ballistic Dummy
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkrVsU4TRg
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It's absurd to ban, or have a ridiculously extensive registration process on any fire arm, or any of their capabilities, such as laws against automatic firearms. People that are adamant on shooting places up will go to the greatest extents to kill people(most people don't do this anyway), and will potentially get their hands on illegal automatic firearms but those with guns will be able to defend themselves with far more ease with tamer gun registration and restrictions, just ridiculous. The banning of throwing stars, now that is next level queer.





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