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Oak Ridge National Laboratory's made promising discoveries in the 1960 on a safer, cheaper, and environmentally friendly way to build nuclear power plants using the plentiful substance thorium and fail-proof low-pressure design (liquid fluoride thorium) that a makes accidental "melt-down" impossible. Their research was shut-down and the USA decided to develop only fast-breeder uranium and plutonium reactors instead, methods that are expensive, create radioactive waste products that take 100,000 years to decompose, along with dangerous weapons-grade substances that lead to nuclear proliferation risk.

Around 2011 Oak Ridge National Laboratory's old Thorium reactor research materials were digitized and many learned for the first time about this safer and cheaper alternative to conventional nuclear reactors - and even use the heat to create types of artificial gasolines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY

SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!
Jews
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS?!?!
It only worked sporadically.
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>accidental meltdown
There’s no such thing.
It’s human fault.
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>>195819840
das juden
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relativism was introduced by the jew einstein fuck their crap
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>>195819840
I’d love Thorium reactors if they weren’t such a fucked up engineering challenge. Until uranium runs out (i.e.the price for uranium spikes to massive levels), thorium just won’t end up being used.

I look forward to fusion power though.
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>>195820178
>fusion
>possible
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>>195819840
thorium reactors don't produce weapons grade uranium, that's why they're not in use since their inception.
>>195820485
new plasma physics was discovered in 2017 and whoever incorporates it in the next fusion reactor design will be at the forefront of net power generation
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The advantage of using a 800C medium is that you can run a turbine on the heated air from the reactor giving you the ability to also have natural gas mixed in to meet peaking loads. The compressor will heat the air to 500C which is higher than any conventional water cooled reactor can get to due to the critical point of water at 374C. At 800C you can add to the heat of the 500C air and have a gas turbine. Clearly you also use the HRSG to capture your turbine exhaust waste heat. This also makes your reactor not dependent on water for cooling as you have an air cooled molten salt loop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zD0m_ci-oo

>>195820030
>It only worked sporadically.
You say that them shutting the reactor down on weekend is a bad thing. Also test reactor; It was being used to test things not as a proof that it could run for years without interruption.

~

No matter what the future is with breeder reactors. Thorium or Uranium.
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>>195820485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
That's a 500MW fusion reactor being built right now in France. Its successor (DEMO) is expected to produce actual electricity and then after that you have actual commercial power plants.
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>>195820485
Fusion power is possible. We know that. The question is whether fusion power can be done continuously and economically. With advances in High-Tc superconductors, we might get to the economical part after all with smaller tokamaks and maybe even Stellarators.
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look bro this is 2018 now. Almost 2019.
money needs to be used for nigger, refugees, and more dem programs
maybe in the year 3000 we can try this
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>>195820905
Well when it works and makes power for less than 2 cents per kilowatt hour they have something. Until then we have the LFTR that's been proven viable for 40 years.
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!

It still needs quite a bit of research and there is zero funding.

The oil industry hates the idea (for good reasons)
And the "green energy" crowds hate the idea (for terrible reasons)
So there is barely any political drive.

If we put 1/10th the amount of funding into thorium as we put in fusion we would have had it by now.
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>>195819840
Bump. I'm tired of the oil jew.
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>>195819840
!!
It's been so long since I've seen a thorium thread.
I missed you, /pol/.
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>>195821214
>and makes power for less than 2 cents per kilowatt hour

Which will never happen because fusion reactors require insane amounts of maintenance.
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>>195821719
Then it's kinda pointless. I'll give it a pass and let it double it's cost of operation up to 4 cents. But past the 4 cent mark it's just not worth it.
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>>195820178
Fusion reactors are a much bigger engineering challenge than thorium.
Thorium mainly needs complex chemistry which we just haven't figured out yet, other than that it's quite simple.
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The Uranium nuclear industry shut it down, it was a threat to their bottom line, so they prevented it from usurping their energy agenda.
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i'm hoping stellarators are viable for fusion, purely for aesthetic reasons.

look at this shit. it literally looks like some sci-fi magic.
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>>195822020
That's exactly why the oil industry supports it.
It will never be cheaper than fossil energy, never.
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>>195822040
We tried thorium since the 1950s, here in Germany we still try, Fusion really has only seriously been tried since the 1960s.
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>>195822040
>Haven;t figured out yet
We have made thorium reactors before. That's what Oak Ridge did. Just a lab scale one, but it worked.
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>>195822097
Not the uranium industry, the government. You can't make nukes with a thorium reactor, and that's at least half the point of having a nuclear programme.
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>>195821315
China and Russia are massively investing in Thorium right now. Though Europe wasted, still is, to much money and effort on sun and wind energy, e.g. solar panels. They cost a shitload of money, still produce waste that needs to be chemically destroyed and produces almost no energy if you compare the space it needs with a nuclear powerplant.
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>>195822176
>here in Germany we still try

How many people?
What's the level of funding.

Here in the Netherlands there are exactly 2 scientists working on it, with no funding whatsoever apart from the university wages.
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>>195822191
The reactors themselves aren't the problem.
The problem is purifying the molten salt so you can use it continuously.

It requires a very simple reactor with a very complex chemical plant.
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>>195822648
>China and Russia are massively investing in Thorium right now.
source?
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>>195819840
>2018
>thorium
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>>195819951
Fpbp
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>>195823306
Jidf pls go and take your memeflag with you
Thorium reactors and thorium batteries are the cheap energy of the future
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>>195819840
Have you ever heard the history?

They killed the thorium project because it doesnt produce fissile material. It was burried. Literally.

Only some guy cleaning out a closet before destroying the contents found the original material and being a scientists knew what it meant. Pure luck.

He put it on a disk and proseletized, even interviewed the original guys if they were still alive. It tooks years of effort to get it where it is today.

But thats the reason they dont exist. They dont make material for nuclear weapons.

Aka mikitary industrial complex killed it. I think the guy made a documentary talking about it.
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>>195819840
I remember reading about this a while back. Got memory holed for some reason. Think there was a pretty massive flaw in the creation process that made it possible only in power point presentations by it's advocates who ignored this flaw. I can't remember what it was though.
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>>195822973
https://neutronbytes.com/2018/01/07/recent-developments-in-advanced-reactors-in-china-russia/
Can’t find source I wanted to send (been a while), but Shanghai Institute of Applied Physics is currently working on the project in China. It’s also looking for a cooperation with TU Delft. They’ve a somewhat leading role in the research of thorium atm.
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>>195819951
fossil fuels vested interests.
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>>195819951
Fpbp
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>>195825149
That's at least good news.

But to compare:
ITER costs 5 billion euro's and Wendelstein 7-X 1 billion euro's.
So it's still less than half of what Europe has been spending on the fusion meme over the last 2 decades.
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>>195825996
ITER’s price tag is now 30bn.
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>>195826223
Oh yeah, forgot about the price multiplication that always happens on tax funded projects.
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>>195822139
Why does this reactor look so fucking retarded? Serious question. It looks like it was made by an autistic 14 year old.
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>>195819840
Why is his hand so red?
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>>195825996
Idk how much energy that will produce, but the current investment costs (globally) for sun and wind energy are estimated 140 trillion and it will only cover up 34% of the world energy supply by 2040. This means every country in Europe will have to pay billions anyway. Imo it should be put in thorium, not this natural energy. Both have to be build anyway and mainly we don’t choose for nuclear because the public and leftist opinion is that nuclear energy is bad and hippie, nature sounding (garbage) energy is good.
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>>195826698
Look at the thing. See the person for scale?
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>>195827479
Computer optimized shape based on 7 main input factors. Mostly, charged plasma particles in a magnetic field end up flying alongside field lines but interact with each other. The coils try to maximize the containment.
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I read a lot about this shit one night. They stopped fucking around with it for some reason. I assume nothing has changed.
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>>195827839
Cool, thanks anon. Now that you mentioned a computer designed the shape of the field, it makes sense.
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>>195827666
>we don’t choose for nuclear because the public and leftist opinion is that nuclear energy is bad and hippie, nature sounding (garbage) energy is good.

True, but likewise America's opinion is that nuclear is bad and conservative, manly sounding (garbage) fossil energy is good.

No matter what we and China will do, America will keep using oil and coal to the last drop and lump.
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>>195827839
This. Computer optimized topologies/sytems/etc always end up a weird black box that "just werks" but almost nobody has any real idea as to how it "just werks."
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Modern reactors were all designed to create weapons not harness energy. No government wants to go backwards on that.
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!
Literally whites in charge of research, Thorium reactor can't be used to produce nukes
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>>195820905
Who will run it in 20 years after Algerians have murdered the technicians?
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>>195827839
From what I understand the plasma flows like that just to maintain the same speed.

In a simple donut shape would flow faster on the outside than on the inside because the outside is longer than the inside.
But in this complex shape every orbit has the same length and can thus travel at the same speed.
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>>195824117
tinfoil bullshit
the real reason is because the reactor lining corrodes too quickly and it's an insurmountable problem
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>>195828577
Except China, apparently.
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Typically you can't just up and create a NUCLEAR REACTOR of any kind, then start selling electricity. Theres probably a few dozen government agencies that do background and safety checks on you (and your company) before you're even allowed to build it. Fair enough. But then you have to find suitable sites to do it, which nobody else wants any more nuclear reactors built because nukes are scary. Then you have to get around the nuclear club of getting all that shit certified to get up and running. The existing (expensive) stuff in place doesn't want to lose all that money on either having to sell electricity at cost, or spending a shitload of money on converting.

Supposedly these thorium reactors don't require gigantic cooling towers, don't need as much land or water, and the plant itself is much smaller. I really haven't heard of any downsides to the thorium reactors, so surely there is another barrier to market entry.
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>>195828990
>But in this complex shape every orbit has the same length and can thus travel at the same speed.
Beautiful
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>>195828820
White people the government protects. Think of South Africa. Had they not been raycist and destroyed their arsenal before the apes took over we'd be in a very dire situation right now.
That being said, there's a lot of (conspiracy theory) tinfoil surrounding said weapons, as they were developed in partnership with a certain middle eastern nation.
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>>195829134
>downsides to the thorium reactors
They can't be used to make weapons.
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>>195819951
you're not wrong.

From my personal research, a majority of nuclear power development is centered around Uranium.
This is due in part to the fact that nuclear energy derived from the desire to re purpose technology developed at the end of WWII.
The cold war saw Russia, The United States, and another hand full of nations to go hardball into developing nuclear deterrents.
Thorium was researched during this time, but the funding for it was overshadowed by Uranium, which we had a better understanding of at the time.
A lot of R&D surrounding thorium is antiquated and from decades ago.
Reviving it would cost a lot of money, not to mention that reactors in general are very expensive to build--you'd also have to consider the fact that this would also mean having to replace existing reactors which are fueled by Uranium-- and that's on top of hiring and maintaining a staff that meets credentials.

Simply put, development costs a lot of money--oy vey-- and you can't make nuclear weapons with the depleted material, so there's also a reason in precedence
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>>195827704
Nuclear fusion will never be harvested as an energy source. The very premise it's based on is still a theory. It entirely relies on the faith (lack of understanding) that the sun is a self-sustaining fusion reaction. It is not.
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>>195829223
France has nukes too. What happens when the government is no longer run by wypipo?
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>>195819840
Breeders are incredibly intricate. This shit is even more incredibly intricate. It's unfeasible, just like fusion. We should focus on solar, it's our only real hope.
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>>195819951
Exactly. Like OP even needs to ask.
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>>195819840
The only problem I have with nuclear energy is nuclear waste. It may just be my (admitted) ignorance, but that seems like a valid concern, and I really haven't seen it addressed.
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>>195829423
No, we should dig into what Tesla was working on and tap into the aether.
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Can I get more info on this "artificial gasoline"?
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>>195828410
Which is fine for them, until a certain point. The story of CO2 emissions warming the globe is bs anyway. The idea is rather that these investments result in an independent energy source for each country (although it fucks the civilians for not being able to get energy elsewhere), less CO2 is just a bonus in the way we will be inhaling less of it in cities. Thorium will run out eventually as well; will turn into fossil energy in the future. Best would be to create energy out of something which produces a lot and has no waste, which every household could produce themself, but that’s just a nerdy wet dream for now.
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>>195819840
This is the biggest nuclear meme. It just doesn’t work well
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>>195829689
I'll never understand the tesla cocksucking. Sure, he was a great man, but some of the things he attempted were wrong.
For that matter I'll never understand the Edison shitting either. Sure he was a piece of shit, but he did accomplish relevant things.
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>>195830026
>i'll never understand
Not with that attitude.
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>>195819951
Not Jews mostly, more like a mish-mosh of various evil factions who can more or less be described as Pseudo-Satanic.
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>>195820030
Sporadic ...?
>"The MSRE operated for 5 years. The salt was loaded in 1964 and nuclear operation ended in December 1969"
>"Checkout and prenuclear tests included 1,000 hours of circulation of flush salt and fuel carrier salt."
>"After two months of high-power operation, the reactor was down for three months because of the failure of one of the main cooling blowers."
It turns out making a new type of nuclear reactor is has a learning curve, and things needed to be tweaked... not so unreasonable I think, since it's pretty much the pinnacle of human engineering IMHO.
>"by the end of 1966 most of the startup problems were behind. During the next 15 months, the reactor was critical 80% of the time, with runs of 1, 3, and 6 months that were uninterrupted by a fuel drain."
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>>195822020
Anon are you okay? What happened to your flag?
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>>195829689
Oh of course I entirely forgot about harnessing pure bullshit
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>>195830026
holy shit a mere mortal human isn't infallible lets disregard everything he has done please great one tell us more of your big braininess
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>>195830748
That's not what I meant. I mean cocksucking in the sense of thinking every single one of the man's drawings was a functional machine/principle/theory, like bringing down bridges with a dildo, or harvesting energy from air.
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>>195819840
They already have free energy technology, people lost their lives over it. It is locked up deep in vaults, and it will take hand of god to bring it out to people.
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>switch to thorium
>deliberately deny yourself all the useful radioisotopes you can breed in a uranium reactor
This is what losers who can't into nukes would do.
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>>195822925
>It requires a very simple reactor with a very complex chemical plant.
The chemical plant is what allows the reactor to be a breeder reactor. Having to remove impurities is the strength of the reactor not a negative.
The most important part of the cycle is that you can chemically separate thorium and uranium with a reversible chemical process that is massively easier than isotopic separation.
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>>195831056
>implying you can't also have purpose-built reactors specifically for producing medical isotopes
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>>195822139
It looks like a dunkin donuts sampler pack in the thumbnail
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>>195831639
Not to the degree where it would sustain our arsenal.
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>>195819951
Nixon "nixed" it. Allegedly in order to spend the money on buying votes in California by funneling the necessary funds into a "works program"
Dominant companies like GE and Westinghouse, likely in "cooperation" with some military dudes who quite liked the "enriched" byproducts of inferior, energy inefficient, heavy waste generators, pressurized light water reactors with vulnerable active cooling systems which have demonstrated extreme hazard numerous times. The Molten Salt Reactor prototype developed in Oak Ridge, and its passive self-adjusting nature, and automatic shutdown feature could have, and should have, revolutionized power generation. ( and it probably will in the not too distant future... by the nations not hampered by "BigNuclear" lobbying spineless ignorant politicians like Nixon)
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>>195829134
>so surely there is another barrier to market entry.
The current nuclear industry that is about 20% of the electrical generation. They operate like printer manufacturers. They sell the reactor (printer) at cost and make the profit off fuel (ink). A 1GW LFTR costs about $10,000 a year in fuel. Thorium is a byproduct of the electronics industry more to the point rare earth mineral production.

The US has a super fund site in Chicago they have been dumping money into for decades due to the refined thorium that industrial process separated out. The scientists said you can clean up the 'nuclear waste' by digging a shallow hole like 16 inches and burring it because it's just not that dangerous. But the EPA and USNRC flipped their ship over the 'nuclear waste' and have been justifying a lot of jobs for years for a harmless metal.
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>>195819840
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjM9E6d42-M
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>>195829353
It's self sustaining as it is currently through sheer virtue of size and "relative" ease in fusing what it has currently as a fuel source in terms of physics. There will be a time when it can't function anymore and it dies. So in that sense it only self-sustains for a while.

From what I gather your interpretation is that Nuclear Fusion, as viewed by researches, is expected to be self-sustaining off substantially more limitations and limited fuel or something? Do they expect to throw X amount of Hydrogen into it, have it running without interruption, and get X amount of Uranium from it in a few weeks or some literally crazy shit? The logistics behind fusing hydrogen is questionable enough as it is let alone expecting to master nuclear fusion of much larger elements.

I mean in a sense you could theoretically maybe have Fusion and Fission plants working together to fuel one-another, but that's pure theory and probably hundreds or thousands of years away.
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>>195820485
You do know they work right? We just havent produced unity yet since these are just experimental proof of concept designs.
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>>195819951
/thread
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>>195831639
>waste a ton of resources to develop reactors that are less useful that the ones you already have
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it hasn't been done because it's dumb.
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>>195833959
>hasn't been done

We have exactly that in The Netherlands. (Petten).
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>>195819840
Worth a look
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>>195832351
Bretty gud.
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>>195819951
Fpbp
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>>195832283
It would've create more jobs + even more money
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>>195835039
>busywork.
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>>195820178
Thorium reactors have been running for decades.
That is sadly not the case for Molten Salt Reactors though, which may be what you meant, but I believe mankind would greatly benefit from improving / updating / reviving the Oak Ridge type reactors. Several companies are fighting the established overregulated legislation in the US such as Flibe and the Energy from Thorium organisation who seems to get a growing amount of attention.
Then we have the Chinese, who have been throwing money and manpower onto this challenge for several years now, after a delegation of high ranking people (such as the former presidents son) visited Oak Ridge, and apparently got a copy of all the research papers from the mid to late sixties...
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>>195819951
This, 100%

Mass produced, the thorium reactor would all but end our planet's energy shortage, destroying basically every existing energy industry in the process. The fallout would be so severe for the wealthy cabals that they've stalled, though legal chicanery to outright murder, non-fossil fuel energy research at every opportunity for decades.

Profit drives the world, and there's no profit in energy when the supply vastly exceeds the demand.
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>>195820835
Can you link to that/those studies??
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figure out how to make a bomv with it then call the military back
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>>195819840
BUMPU FOR THOR DESUKA!
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>>195829718
>If CO2 can be economically concentrated from the atmosphere, gasoline can be produced by the methanol-to-gasoline process (MTG) already used in production by the oil industry. In theory, the energy needed to concentrate CO2 is only about a tenth the energy that would be contained in the produced fuel.

>One well-known proposal to make gasoline from ambient CO2 is Green Freedom, proposed by Los Alamos National Laboratory. Using process heat from a GenIII nuclear reactor, along with MTG, Los Alamos estimated it could produce gasoline for $4.60/gallon conservatively, or $3.40/gallon assuming two modest technological improvements. About half the cost was energy cost, so a much cheaper reactor such as the DFR should lower significantly lower the price of fuel, allowing it to be quite competitive.

>Nobel-winning chemist George Olah is working on another method of absorbing CO2 from the ambient air, using an inexpensive polymer adsorbent.

https://www.climatecolab.org/contests/2012/fossil-fuel-sector/c/proposal/1304635
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>>195819840
tesla literally had shit to give us free electricity aswell. But electric companies wanted shekels.
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>>195820905
Sounds like an interesting way of burning 13bil into heat.
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>>195819840
oil arabs and greedy dirty kikes.

just imagine a world where we could honestly say that electricty is a human right.

!!!! idea anons!!!!!

Can we meme Thorium Reactors into being by getting liberals to scream about "energy being a human right"? if we had TSRs electricity would be so cheap you could actually run a stupid faggy bitcoin network.
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>>195835635
these short sided stupid cunts dont seem to realize the possibilities of a space faring human race. if we could just get a hold of ONE asteroid with precious metals like platinum or magnesium.

i feel strongly the only hope for humanity is space and these assholes fucked it up for everyone because they wanted to sell barrels of oil to fucking BURN in some cunts H3.

We could be building space shuttles and preparing for the next great land rush.
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>>195830408
>*More like a Moshe
ftfy
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!
The fuel is caustic, meaning pipes have to be constantly replaced. Need better material science to make better pipes.
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>>195819951
Alan Weinberg discovered it.
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>>195820835
>whoever incorporates it in the next fusion reactor design will be at the forefront of net power generation
You misspelled "bombed into rubble by jews/Saudis/Zogbots."
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Get this fission garbage and ITER embezzlement project out of here. Look up SPARC, I am blown away by the lack of coverage this has got, new superconductors are a fucking game game changer for small fusion designs. Prototype is under construction right fucking now.
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>>195839525
stock name?
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>>195839525
Idk i don't like the Eurocentricity of these suggestions ITT.

Can we not look to Central African innovation? Y'know Bruce, give these guys a fair go?
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>>195839703
Phonefagging it up. Here is the in depth presentation, find me a single flaw in the design and maths. Protip, you won't.

https://youtu.be/KkpqA8yG9T4
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>>195839909
I'm a tradie retard. I'll give it a shot though. I do like to learn.
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>>195819840
This has all been a huge play. Time to cast the finale.

Behold, fury, five years in the making.
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>>195819840
This ain't the 30s any more. Nobody has that kind of capital and vision to spend the money on a great idea that might work in twenty years.
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>>195819951
Stop being niggers and learn
https://youtu.be/tzfG1ezW6wU
https://youtu.be/W7UOCw-FsIc?list=PL95ShunremB_I5G6wfAJtCVAbbKmoUBix
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>>195827479
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>>195830026
Look into Walter Russell faggots
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Small modular reactors are the most likely new wave of nuclear power generation. They are definitely the next thing here.
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>>195820178
How much XRP for sunny bike gf
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>>195842199
>next thing here.
Aren't USAF using them already in Alaska? Are those for civilian use? Has weedman/weedman's agencies said anything about it or is it pure speculation?
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!
Why do you ask rhetorical questions over and over, anon? Do you not realize that the answer is always "Jews"?
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>>195821719
Could it be that new solutions would be tried and developed with such a project? It's not like Eureka moments has not occurred with a ton of projects that was ridiculed by the experts, such as aviation, or electric vehicles these days, DC vs AC, incandescent -> fluorescent -> LED, and so on...
The first transatlantic jet plane didn't just sprout out of the ground, a LOT of time and money was spent on R & D between the Wright brothers initial proof of concept 115 years ago, to the first passenger jet in 1958, and then onwards to the various SpaceX, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic, and a bunch of more or less viable upstarts today...
Developing both fusion and molten salt reactors will solve energy supply for all mankind for the foreseeable future.
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>>195819840
>create radioactive waste products that take 100,000 years to decompose
why do brainlets keep pushing this meme
radioisotope reactives are a thing you know, we're sitting on an unused goldmine of nuclear energy with all that waste
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>all these guys lapping this shit up as a conspiracy
I'll fucking tell you why LFTR, and MSR in general, wasn't built. The actual reason.

>The Waste

See the problem is that the medium ends up having a shitload of radioactive salt compounds; these compounds do fun things like:
Eat through metal/plastic
Dissolve in water
Incredibly chemically toxic (without the radiation effects)
Spontaneous spalling and dust production
Wigner swelling over time

The only way the test reactor waste could be stored was to break the waste into tiny specs, encase it in a specialized ceramic, and hope to hell the swelling doesn't crack enough balls open to cause a serious leak.

If this thread had been posted on /sci/ you'd be laughed off the board
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>>195850491

Those are some nice sources you got there.
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>>195850831
Go read the test reactor cleanup report, its trivial to find on Google
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>>195821639
>Realizes thread is about thorium not thorazine
muh thorazine
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>>195848977
but they don't create 100ky waste products.
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>>195820485
We already have them you stupid faggot.
They only produce 95% coefficient so there's no point to mass produce them.
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>>195825251
...so jews, in other words.
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>>195851831
Neptunium-237
Technetium-99
Tin-126
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>>195829057
>t.inefficient tech lobby-knobby
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>>195819840
The money was already spent on fast breeder tech for military purposes, they want to stick with what they know. Short sighted for sure. Fissile uranium is more rare than platinum and we're burning through it like gasoline.
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!

Fucking hippy faggots.
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>>195838403

Your thinking is genius.
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>>195852816
You're wrong. Crust is about 2.8 milligrams of Uranium per kilogram, this means 19.6 micrograms of Uranium-235 per kilogram. Platinum is 5 micrograms per kilogram.
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>>195840046

not sure it's in that presentation, but my favorite part was the idea of using steel as an insulator around the superconductor. I mean it is an insulator compared to that.
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>>195820178
>Until uranium runs out
It literally never will. It's incredibly abundant
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>>195839525
>Barium superconductors
I thought those had quenching problems

I'm more partial to Stellarators desu
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>>195839039
>have limited supply of platinum worth loads of cash
>haul in asteroid mine gains
>platinum supply grows 100x
>worthless
That's why this isn't happening.
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Then again my chem teacher had burns all over from that shit, died early...
Totally safe
Like all reactors
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>>195829589
Then you should be enthusiastic about molten salt reactors, because they have a massive efficiency potential of about 95% versus todays light water reactors, powered by ceramic fuel rods with a pathetic efficiency of somewhere around 2-5% used potential before they need to be swapped out...
So... much, much less nuclear waste, and according to Kirk Sorenson in OPs super condensed video, by a factor of about 200 times more efficient. Sounds like it's worth some investment.
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>>195827839
Top quality post
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>>195819840
Thorium reactors are fucking retarded for the following reason:

>you need to have a 400C corrosive salt directly in contact with a reactor wall which also needs to absorb neutrons.
>because of this you need to replace the reactor wall every 5 years which takes months and shuts down the entire reactor during.
>the thorium fuel cycle produces U233 through decay which can be used to make weapons etc

Regular nuclear plants are better because you can have the actual reactor sit in a vast pool of water which you can not do with a molten salt.
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>>195830674
There is enery to be found in bullshit too!
And human shit or "humanure" as the relevant parties trying to make the tchnology work in places where it makes sense, like in Africa, and of course the 600 million people in India who still poop wherever they feel like, instead of into a bio-digester to generate free methan they can use for cooking or maybe generators and stuff like that, and then they could turn it into compost when mixed with sawdust and such and turn some of their hot deserts into green fertile places... to make more food, to make more poo... in the loo...
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>>195856280
Forgot to include relevant picture, and a link to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziS7yYFT6jc...
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>>195819840
SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!
the oil, natural gas, and coal industries
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>>195831056
Yeah like this cunt - Alvin Wein(((berg)))
What the fuck did he and his buddy Eugene Wigner know about nuclear physics anyways?
It's not like they invented nuclear power generation or anything, oh wait... they kind of did...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Wigner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_M._Weinberg
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>>195856153

That sounds solvable though. Glass melts at like 1700C.
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>>195819840
Salt you fucking retard, you can't use molten salt because of the corrosion it causes. That's why it never took off. It's not some conspiracy like you think it is. They are researching ways to prevent corrosion but the future is fusion.
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>>195819840
Yeah, but you can't use them to make atomic weapons or RTG fuel. NASA is actually having a bit of a problem because there's a small supply of Plutonium-238(239 is the one used in bombs).

We need more Pu-238 AND Pu-239 and we're not getting that from one of these salty bois.
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>>195820178
I usually don’t fall for these but
>sauce?
She’s amazing
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>>195819840
>SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM BUILDING THORIUM BASED NUCLEAR REACTORS!?!


Liberal faggots who have no idea what they are doing!
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>>195857799
The salt will corrode it and in the event of failure glass is disastrous.
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>>195858069
Hastelloy and Inconel steel was developed to handle extreme environments, such as the hot salt, and there has been further development in the half-century since the Oak Ridge reactor was running, we also have all manner of coating, such as ceramic coating, and spray metalizing.
>t.stainless steel sales dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMssbs3Dvqk
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>>195822139
This fucking stupid
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>>195859232
Yes but we are talking prolonged constant exposure. It will need to be replaced and when it does you need to move all the salt out and completely shut down the reactor.

Nuclear plants are simply better.
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>>195819840
You can't cook Plutonium in those, also as I read they aren't as good as they seem on paper as in outputwise. But it runs on lower temp so you could work with that.
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>At room temperature, thorium metal has a face-centred cubic crystal structure
>face-centred cubic crystal
>cubic
>black cube
Oh shi-
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The Chinese (Sinap) and Australian (Ansto) are cooperating with developing some versions of Hastelloy N for use with molten salt reactors, Sinap NiMo-Sic alloy. Apparently, they are also looking into various coatings.
Source : https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/56357398/australians-molten-salt-reactor-msr-material-research-ondrej-muransky/19

Shutting down and draining a molten salt reactor is sort of part of its design since it has drain tanks in case of malfunctions. Since they were able to shut down and modify the system several times when in development at Oak Ridge I suppose it should be possible to implement a system where regular routine checks of the shutdown system could be timed with scheduled maintenance.
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>>195863090
what if they've been using this power the whole time?





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