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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/ron-paul-trump-border-wall-not-needed-to-stop-illegal-immigration.html

>President Donald Trump doesn’t need a wall to stop undocumented immigration along the U.S. southern border, three-time presidential candidate and well-known Libertarian Ron Paul told CNBC on Tuesday.

>Instead, the Trump administration should remove incentives for coming to America, said Paul, who also served 12 terms as a U.S. congressman from Texas, a state that shares 1,254 miles of a common border with Mexico.

>In previous negotiations with Trump, Democrats had agreed to some border wall funding as part of an ultimately scuttled deal to protect the so-called Dreamers, people who were illegally brought to the U.S. as children.

>“I don’t like walls,” Paul added. “I don’t want to wall people in and wall people out.”
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It's not just about a wall for today. It's about having a wall in case shit pops off south of the border. How long do you think that might be? 5 years? 10 years? It doesn't make sense to not have a wall.
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I wonder what a Ron Paul presidency would have been like.
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>>199475428
> walls mean keeping people in
What a fucking retard
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>>199475428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-t_YD-sDhw
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>>199475428
>man who wants to abolish 99% of the federal government also doesn't want the federal government to build a wall
i fucking love Ron Paul
but this isn't news
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>>199475828
Tbh shit is going to hit the fan in canada first. Making 40k jobs a year and bring in at least 333k of unskilled immigrant every year is like a first storm to fuck over a country for good. People will have to revolt soon, there wont be enough food and money for everyone, and not even close.
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>>199475428
Ron Paul is a kike and nu-pol is retarded for worshiping him.
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Aktually, punishment of employers should be more of an issue. Start fining companies $100000 on an escalation scale for every illegal employed. When companies won’t hire them, they have no reason to be here.
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>>199476588
Civic nationalism and weed, that’s about it
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>>199475428
Yet states like California keep incentivizing people to come. Ron I love you but we both know that that’s a factor
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>>199475428
Your right but congress isn’t doing f what we actually need so a wall is good for now
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>>199476933
What was the Berlin Wall ?
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Watching in 10-20 years when the Dems exclaim "Mrs Presidente -- TEAR. DOWN. THIS. WALL." will be much more epic, though

we waste a lot of money on all kinds of shit, so I really don't care what happens here.
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>>199475428
>"I don’t like walls,” Paul added. “I don’t want to wall people in and wall people out.”

Which would be a valid argument if Americans actually wanted to emigrate to other countries. There is nowhere for us to go. The whole planet might as well be a 2nd world shitshow as far as the American is concerned.
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>>199476933
>What a fucking retard
When WW3 happens good luck dodging the draft.
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>>199476989
This. He's basically saying get rid of all the welfare and protections for illegals and you won't need a wall.
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>>199475428
kek. right. getting a wall would be easier to do.
THEN work on the punishing the fuckers hiring them.
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>>199476933
You should teach every US state and the feds how to make actual secure prisons.

>>199475428
He's right.
Here's a little-known fact. For most of the United States' history, you could come and go across the borders at will. Unless we were at war with either Canada or Mexico.
Really, the problem is welfare, minimum wage, and jews. And as long as we have welfare systems in place, we're doomed. Welfare systems like Social Security cause the death of nations. They're scams. They cannot be sustained.
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>>199475428
Ron Paul thinks America is based enough to lay land mines across the southern border. If we don't have a physical wall to stop the spics they'll just keep flooding in the average normie is still too cucked to agree that spics should be shot if they try to flood in
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>>199475428
he's 100% right
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>>199477386
>wants open borders
Fuck yourself commie shill.
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Based as fuck and he’s right. Wall is a bandaid job on a cracking bridge.

There’s so much stupidity within US system and many proto-socialist countries with welfare and and benefits and all that shit that inherently makes the country worse by virtue of promoting a runaway inflation system that is doomed unless it gets fed with constant growth.
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>>199475428
I van agree with that. What we really need to do is ruin the businesses who employ illegals. Fine them so heavily that they go bakrupt.
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>>199477542
Having said that it's easier to just have the military build a wall than to try and get the commie dems to cut welfare right now
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>>199477386
our assimilation was also more rigorous and oppressive as well. discrimination was part of that process which is now verboten. we're on the multicultural path so looking to the past isn't that useful.
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He's not wrong. Don't give Paco free welfare, free healthcare, free schools, free housing on the taxpayer's dime and there'll be less leeches coming for gibs. They'll keep on migrating to Canada because the USA isn't a safe country for them to "escape war" from, just like leeches skip Euro countries with shitty welfare to go to GER-MONEY
that said, enforce the god damn border. that's literally one of the DUTIES of a country's government--unless that government is occupied entirely by jewish globalist pedo mobsters, like the DNC and their "abolish ice" stance.
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>>199475428
>Pass laws making it harder for beamers to just run across the boarder
>Democrats repeal them all the exact yottosecond they have a chance

Apart from plugging up a realtively easy way for beans to smuggle drugs/people into the country, it also makes it alot harder for Dems to just undo everything. Intentionally letting the wall go to shit or just knocking in down is alot more noticeable and looks worse then quietly repealing any and all bills that stop shitskins from flooding in and voting
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>>199476991
Good. More precedent is always good. My facefag is full of cucked friends and family who sang Macron's praises. I ask roundabout, leading questions to remind them of this, and they know I'm mocking them, but have no response... They still have no idea how to feel about France or the EU in general now. "Y-Y-YAYYYYYY... G-Go protesters..."
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>>199475428
Going after the incentives, while being more effective at curbing illegal immigration, would be a much more difficult and time-consuming process than building a literal 2000 mile border wall, not even considering all the (((hand-wringing)))
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>>199476989
Yep! Ron has beautiful principals but when it comes to pragmatism he falls a lil short
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>>199475428
He's mostly right.
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Yeah you only need enough M60s and the ammo for it
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>>199477031
Fuck yourself I've been shitposting here since 4chan was in its infancy. Ron /pol/ for president nigger.
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>>199477185
Then die you retard.
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>>199477263
He is right, but a wall wouldn't hurt as well. Why not both?
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>>199475428
I understand his point but in the end of the day being homeless in America is still better than living in some Central America jungle war zone narco state
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>>199477930
eventually
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>>199477889
>MFW it will NEVER happen
You shitheads don't deserve the title of Libertarian.
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>>199477233
I'd just kill whoever came to my door if it wasn't a legit reason. Vietnam ruined the concept of drafts. It's too obviously a form of population control now.
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>>199477547
We had open borders for most of our existence.
Open borders are only a problem if you have welfare that poor people from out of town can mooch off of.
YOU want a pension, social security, and all that good GIBS bullshit. 99% of people do because they're faggots. Well guess what, faggot? As long as you have any form of welfare, you will have abuse of that system and will lose because of it.
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>>199476588
Under a Ron Cuck Paul presidency we would witness mass invasion due to open borders and no limits on H-1B visas. Ron Paul was not the man we thought he was. Total sell out of Americans for foreigners.

All else he sounded pretty good but who can trust him after this cuckery.
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>>199477031
sigh
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>>199475828
Exactly. It's the wall AND what Paul is talking about. This problem requires a shotgun approach.
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>>199478020
Hopefully by a nigger.
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>>199477800
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>>199477999
>Central America jungle war zone narco state
Why do these even exist, though?
I'll give you a hint: "narco"
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>>199475428
We just need crosses.
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>>199478113
I want welfare for whites who deserve it ONLY. Scandinavia has the highest living standards on the planet and they were doing fine before they opened their borders you mutt. Iceland is still the nicest country I have ever had the privilege of visiting.
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>>199478123
>he would be like Trump
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>>199477753
>and they know I'm mocking them, but have no response...
I have a similar situation going on, but my liberal family members know I will kill them as soon as it becomes legal. Happily. I give zero fucks as to why they sold me out. I just want revenge for it when it's legal.
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>>199478051
Cool story commie. Neck yourself kike shrill.
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>>199475428
Ron Paul is a dumbass.
Policies change every 4-8 years.
You know what doesn't change every 4-8 years?
A fucking wall.
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>>199477994
No he's not right, the idea that ending welfare ends illegall immigration is complete bullshit libertarian talking point
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>>199475428
Harsh penalties for people who employ illegals would be easier and cheaper. Remove all public assistance for them. Prevent them from using public schools. If there is nothing here for them, they will stop coming.
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>>199475428
>>Instead, the Trump administration should remove incentives for coming to America
I'd rather have a wall than America turn into Mexico to keep Mexicans out.
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>>199478419
>Ancap
>Commie
Wew lad. This is your party, thanks for giving Montana to the dems by the way, very smart.
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>>199478329
>Scandinavia has the highest living standards on the planet
And a negative birth rate. There's not enough young people to pay for the older people retiring.
What do you do?

You see, THIS is why welfare, aka gibs, is destructive. The US is doomed, border/wall or not, as long as social security exists.
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>>199475428
He's right about the benefits though

Still, ask him if he believes we have a country.
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>>199475428
i actually agree with the democrats that we should be punishing employers who knowingly hire illegals.
we still need the wall though
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He’d be right if we didn’t have birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship fucks everything up because illegals shit out kids like a redneck at KFC and all those kids are Citizens that vote
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He has his anti government spending shtick, but he understands that a wall saves a lot of money.
I bet he'd be ready for a compromise, build the wall first, and then end the welfare state.
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>>199475428
What a fucking retard.

If America is safe and prosperous, and Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras are shitholes, then the worthless spics from the shitholes are going to invade whether they can get welfare or not.

Shut that senile oil boomer the fuck up.
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>>199478629
A negative birth rate is not a bad thing. There are 7 billion people on the planet
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BUILD THE WALL
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>>199475428
Ron Paul is proving himself to be quite myopic.
Its a fuck of a lot harder to tear down 2k miles of wall then it is to reverse policy when some fag democrat is in.
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>>199476588
He would have put troops on the border which is always funny to read him when he says shit like this; because specifically he's saying the wall won't do shit compared to making life unlivable for illegals. Which is 100% true.
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>>199478740
It's a bad thing when you want welfare. Those old people need someone paying taxes to fund their existence.
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>>199478175
exactly, i think we should implement every idea suggested by both sides to solve the problem.
and don't try to tell me we can't afford it.
the military could do the whole thing with the money left over in their budget every year
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>>199475428
>“I don’t like walls,” Paul added. “I don’t want to wall people in and wall people out.”

What a fucking idiot.

Please Paul, leave your house door open too.
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>>199478629
This is such a dumb argument, why do you need infinite population growth. Half of the population is still going to generate the same amount of wealth with the rise of automation.
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>>199478051
>Ancap wearing Pinochet's hat

Wasn't Pinochet a statist dictator who frequently used state violence and coercion against his citizens? What's so anarchist about that?
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>>199478837
Stop trying to prolong the life of 90 year olds then, holy shit.
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why not do both? a wall and remove incentives. in face the money saved from removing the incentives can help build the wall
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>>199475428
The wall is not enough. The wall is only part of a solution. It has to be backed by extensive legislation against any nation, employer, ngo, or citizen for helping illegals
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>>199478888
libertarians are really contradictory with this stuff when they're supposedly all about private property (which is about delineating boundaries)
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If they passed a law forcing visa workers to be paid the same wages as everyone else, wouldn't that make the incentive to hire them (and bring them in) disappear?
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>>199478947
>not wanting to throw commies out of helicopters
Cringe and blue-pilled desu.
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He's right though. 3 years minimum sentence per head of illegal hired. Let the competition of those who hire illegals do the work for the government.
A federal bounty of just $500 per illegal caught would clean up the rest of them through horizontal enforcement of the law.
Then build the wall to stop the human trafficking. Ideal solution
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''Let's not build a wall because this politically impossible LARP solution is better.'' Nevermind they will come anyway because they are subhuman Spics and they love living near White people.
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He is more concerned about being walled in. I have been following his work for over a decade. He is worried that whatever Trump leaves behind is going to be used by The One, the one who ass fucks us all without remorse.

We got lucky it was only Obama and the drugged out late boomers wanting to relive the 70's. The next one might just succeed in raping us all.
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>>199478618
>telling individualists they have to identify with retards
See here's the problem. You've outed yourself as retarded and you can't avoid that association. I don't have to associate with degenerates/libertine retards, but you have to associate with yourself.
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>>199478917
When you have pensioners, you need even more workers to fund their pensions. That's the problem with social security. Why it's a guaranteed failure.
To pay for non-working people, you need as many working people, but then you need even more working people to balance it out since the working people ALSO need to pay for their own upkeep.

As long as welfare exists, you MUST have an ever-increasing population. But the irony here is, welfare causes people to have LESS kids, especially by those that work, because more work=less children.

That's the enemy here. And no wall is going to help us. Because the underlying problem is still here.
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>>199477147
It's nothing like the Berlin wall, which went through the middle of a city.
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>>199475428
He's not wrong, but the bennies are never getting taken away so we need a wall in the meantime.
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>>199475428
ARREST
THE
FUCKING
EMPLOYERS
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>>199478814
>making life unlivable for illegals

Agreed. A belt of rounds from a 240 would make a spic's life unlivable
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>>199479380
Hey now don't shy away! They are your people, your allies!
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>>199479816
Libertines are no allies to ancaps. They won't get the rope, but they also won't get to be part of our white capitalist societies.
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>>199475428
He's right about which would be a better solution. He's wrong about which is the more achievable solution.

Wall me in Dr. Paul. I can take it.
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>>199478618
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>>199475428
for all of his good qualities, RP pushes (((von Mises))) & (((Hayek))) ad nauseum.
non-starter.
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>>199477831
Americans aren't pissed off enough to demand that sort of prevention. A wall would be a helluva lot more symbolic anyways
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>>199477067
fuck fines, execute them. it's treason.
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Laws can be changed or ignored.
We need a fucking wall.
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>>199475428
fuck ron paul
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>>199475428
Aside from the libertarian circles and RT, what authority does Ron Paul even have?
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>three-time presidential candidate
CNBC along with the rest of the media probably did everything they could to minimize his impact or avoid talking about him whatsoever.
Fuck them.
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>>199479420
SS reform is a non-starter until most of the boomers die off in the next 10-20 years
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Nice try, Dr. Koo Koo.

Illegals can't get gibs as they're not even residents.

A wall would stop a truck-load of immigrants and drugs.

Trump > Paul
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>>199475828
>When shit pops off south of the border
Wait, what are you guys planning over there?
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>>199477147
Why did they build walls around castles? Because they were racist?
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>>199476991
there will be when old white generations start dying out
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>>199475428
>wall people in...
I never thought of it that way. Could it ever get so bad here that we would want to flee em masse to Mexico
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>>199475428
Lolbertarians will lap that shit up. Beaners will still come for jobs build the fucking wall
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>>199475428
he's correct, but we can also use the wall to keep cartel niggers out
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>>199476933
wow your incredibly high intellect is showing. please show mercy on all of that are lower than you kek
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>>199475428
I can't believe Ron Paul got shilled so hard here besides end the fed lolberts are just another brand of kikery
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>>199477456
A watch tower every 300 yards with a manned machinegun turret should do the trick
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>>199475428
>We don't need awall, we need to end the welfare state
I love Ron but that's never going to happen. If building a wall is this hard then ending the welfare state will never happen
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>>199481712
No.
I thought about this yesterday and it is obvious that that will never be a better option
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>>199482069
And the US is thus doomed to die. There's no way around this.
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>>199482069
Basically this, also Mexicans will still come no matter what because at the end of the day they want to leave their shithole and come here with the hope for a (((better future))). Also once here they will cry like they always do asking whites to help them.
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>>199475428

>be current year
>Still listening to what a geriatric man who lost in 08 & 12 still has to say.
>doesn't realize he is an ideologue and will preach "free markets" no matter what is going on...

cringe & blue-pilled
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>>199481237
GDF-11 will be on the market in ten years, and SS should be abolished because the public shouldn't pay for people who choose to grow old.
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Kind of a dumb argument by Paul. Which is more likely, building a wall, or getting rid of welfare?
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>>199481406
Trump is gonna say fuck it and go nuclear aay style. Call the bogs and ask them to initiate crab99. The aay orbital laser blast. All of mexico down to argentina will be toasted buddy. Your cartels and their democrat handlers didnt listen. We might be aay slaves for a few generations and give our DNA to the bogs but it will be worth the favor.
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>>199483033
welfare should only be for wypipo, as a hand up, not a way of life for shitskins
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>>199475428
Why can't it be both?
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>>199477031
Anon, you don't need to show that you are a newfag.
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>Instead, the Trump administration should remove incentives for coming to America

Like uhm lowering salaries for all workers so it's not worth it for mexicans to come?

Clap Clap.. senile fool does not understand what a horde of ill minded foreigners can cause to a 1st world country with low fertility rates.
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>>199475428
That where pauly doesn't get it: still a lot of subhuman, like-rabbit-breeding taconiggers would come to the US even if there were no gibs. The cou try will still become a pile of shit like any non-white country
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>>199482811

>thinking "winning" matters in a rigged contest where Israel is the only winner every time

Talk about fucking blue pilled you fucking flagless, soulless, nationless shill.
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>>199475428
Good position to have, open borders and pure meritocracy. Remove all welfare
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>>199476933
>Border Patrol apprehended 400,000 illegals last year
>over 1000 per day
>I just don't like the thought of a wall
Retard indeed.
All they have to do is step ONE FOOT on American soil and Border Patrol cannot legally kick them out. They are forced to give them a court date and tell them please come to court.

A WALL IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM FROM TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY.

WE ARE BEING INVADED MOTHERFUCKERS
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>>199476933
Actually he's right. A wall is just a wall, its purpose can change.
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>Savages and other parasites would not invade civilized nations if there weren't free shit for them they could leech off of

What a concept
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>>199477067
Aktually punishing sanctuary cities should be more of an issue.
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>>199477263
Which makes him an economic illiterate. We had to end the Chinese immigration during the 1880s when there was no welfare spending. People come here simply because any rich country is better than any poor country.
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One benefit is the relative safety and stability our nation provides. Short of turning our nation into a 3rd world shithole people will still come. Libertarians are idealistic to the extreme.
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Yes yes, in an real world you don't need walls to stop illegals a fence, police and guards would do the job. But we know this is not real world its clownworl and you do need the wall
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>>199487787
They're not coming here for safety. They're coming here FOR MONEY.
MONEY. CASH. HANDOUTS. GIBS.
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>>199475428
The whole notion of a wall is retarded when the problem is fraud and abuse of our social systems and allowing business and individuals to use migrant labor with zero consequences. Fix those problems and migration would reverse as illegals flee with no reason to be here. There needs to be undercover agents in every group of day laborers and every industry providing them work until it stops.
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we call this a lolbertarian
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>>199482435
Everybody dies, even countries. It is ok to try to staunch the bleeding where we are able to though.
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>>199475828
>It's about having a wall in case shit pops off north of the border.

Consider if you will ...
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>>199478123
Nah. Sorry breh. First thing he'd have done was go after the Fed. That's the actual root of the problem. He'd build the wall if the House and Senate voted for it. He was based. You are the cuck.
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>>199475428
Dammit Paul, no....
>tfw he was once one of the heroes and now he has become one of the villains
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Building an expensive fence easy enough that you can take a saw through and increasing defense spending as high as it already was before so our kids can die fighting wars for billionaires are not something I would call fiscally conservative.
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>>199475428
Well, it is not officially time for him to shut up and take a time out.
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>>199475428
>Instead, the Trump administration should remove incentives for coming to America

This is true. Too bad California Democrats are trying to buy votes with taxpayer money.
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>>199475428

What a fucking cuck. The absolute state of libertarians.
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>>199477263
It's far easier to build the wall than it is to destroy the welfare state.
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>>199477889
trump showed why paul could never get elected
paul speaks rational truth to people with an IQ over 100
trump is a persuader
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>>199477218
that could change fast though
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>>199475428
While I agree that removing incentives (zero welfare, zero illegal employment) would work much, much more effectively than a wall, at this point the wall is symbolic and should be achieved for that reason alone IN ADDITION to removing the incentives.
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ron paul /b/
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>>199479358
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A wall is more important. Welfare can be added back in with the stroke of a pen, a wall has to actually be torn down.
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He's right you know.
RON PAUL 2012
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>>199475428
He's not wrong. If we stopped all gibs me dats for immigrants they would fucking leave all by themselves, but demorats would never stop feeding their pet voter base. A wall is the most likely solution that doesn't involve civil war.
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>>199496294
>at this point the wall is symbolic

That's a really expensive symbol you're asking for.
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>>199475428
MAGApedes BTFO yet again
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>>199496576
We spent trillions destroying Iraq, even 100 billion for a wall would be literal chump change.
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>>199476933
>>Instead, the Trump administration should remove incentives for coming to America


THE FLAW OF THIS LOGIC:

There is no incentive to eat spinach every single day, but you can make a children eat spinach every single day by saying that eating spinach every single day will make him as strong as popeye when a teenager.

Without a wall and real incentives you can create fake incentives to make people come here and it wont matter because they wont be able to.
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>>199496151
This is unfortunately true. Ron Paul makes excellent points, argues for them rationally and usually mops the floor with partisan hacks. But he's also a soft-spoken, genuinely nice guy, and wants to come off as such. Trump, on the other hand, is a firebrand demagogue who has no qualms with acting like a jackass and even contradicting his own positions. A rabble-rouser who makes the whole nation seethe with fire, whether for or against him. And I think you can guess which of those two can whip up a lot of support in today's political climate in USA.
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>>199477263
>This. He's basically saying get rid of all the welfare and protections for illegals and you won't need a wall.
THIS IS WRONG
SEE
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>>199496709
We spent almost as much as the wall for one subway station under the new world trade center. 4 billion and some change.

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/9/7/17832074/nyc-subway-cortlandt-street-world-trade-center-reopen

We spend somewhere between 110 and 400 billion a year on illegals. Stopping the flow of more of them and kicking the ones here out should be our number one priority.
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>>199475428
Virtually all drugs and illegals come in through ports of entry. The wall forces illegal labour to apply for asylum and then skip their court dates. Ron Paul is right.
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>>199496709
If you want to end the spic flood you'll literally need to invade Mexico and ethnically cleanse it. It's either that or one party totalitarianism, but that would only provide a temporary respite.
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>>199481406
Venezuelan Oil

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>>199475428
Remember when /pol/ liked Ron Paul? Good times.
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>>199496294
Dude there will always be a massive incentive to cross. Who wouldn't want to live in an insanely prosperous country, with nice cities, clean streets, productive, polite and altruistic people with lots of opportunities, and mentally ill libtards who will give you shelter, jobs, and legal protections? It's like paradise for 3rd worlders, even if they don't get a full range of gibs.

Besides, what evidence does this lolbertarian asshole have that cutting welfare will stop illegal immigration? He literally just pulled it out of his ass.

Meanwhile, Israels wall is proven to stop 99-100% of illegal immigration.

Hungary's Border fence is proven to stop 99.7% illegal immigration.

The only thing that will stop the invasion is a physical barrier. End of discussion.

I actually like Ron Paul, but he makes it REALLY fucking hard not to consider him a total brainlet. Yeah, you are right about the Fed, what the fuck else are you right about old man? Step the fuck aside while real leaders fix the country.

Weak faggot. Trump is 100 times the leader he is.
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>>199497650
Mexico is a massive trading partner with America, virtually all people/drugs are smuggled in through ports of entry. The wall is useless, i'd argue it gives a false sense of security and prevents tougher asylum/etc. laws from being passed.
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>>199497879
Please gas yourself.
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You can just do both and the sum of both measures will be even better.

Stop with this fake dichotomous bs
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>>199498054
The first part of your post was correct but there are 9 asylum claims for every illegal border crosser. There are 47 visa overstays for every illegal border crosser. Israel-Egypt trade is less than 1/1000th of Mexican-American trade. Hungary isn't keeping out Serbs, Croats or Romanians.
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Also reminder for you: criminals and drug traffickers don't work in the regular economy dipshits
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Doesnt mexico have their own southern border problem? Are they handing out welfare? Doesnt China have to protect its border from surrounding nations just because it it more well off than them?

Protecting our borders is one of the few things the federal government is supposed to do
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>>199498054
Example: one port in Laredo, TX sees 2,200,000 trucks coming into America from Mexico every single year.
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>>199497582
Was far better times
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Holy fuck, the lolbert shilling is strong in this thread.
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>>199475428

Cutting off the welfare and healthcare would be a good start.
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>>199475428
Is he going senile? Doesn't he realize those incentives would be reinstated the moment power changes hands?
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>>199499476
No it wouldn't. It would strengthen your economy and that would create an even bigger pull factor.
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>>199475428
He's right. The wall is fucking stupid and it was from day one. Political eye candy for low IQ inbred whites.

Stopping immigration consists of removing incentives. Stop being hospital to people who are committing criminal acts. Enforce existing laws.

The most important of all. Deport every illegal immigrant and all offspring going back at least 50 years. If you don't do this right here then every single other measure is 100% pointless. It is this population right here which is historically, currently, and easily forcasted to eclipse the white population in our lifetime.

Let's stop playing these stupid fucking games meant for low IQ political parrots. Let's call a spade a spade and take the fight where it actually matters. Enforcing the laws and deporting illegal aliens.
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>>199475428
Whoa, so this is the power of Liberty.
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>>199499819
By your logic the wall is then pointless too because it serves no purpose if liberals, when they are in power, don't fund it's surveillance. People are going to destroy it, climb over it and dig under it and go around it and fly over it. So on and so forth.
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Why not both? $38 Billion for Israel but $0 for a simple wall? Thanks for your input Ron Paulstein.
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>>199476588
It's fucked up how he got forced out. I wish Rand would avenge his father's honor.
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>>199475428
Lolbergs were always cucks.
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>>199476933
It means it does two things. Today it is to keep people out, tomorrow it could keep you from fleeing.
>>199477112
And what is happening to California? It is having a huge exodus of people and business while looking like a 3rd world country.
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>>199475428
Shut the fuck up ron. Jesus. Whose side are you on? Talk about the worst thing you could possibly say right now. This old geiser is losing it.
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>>199500044
This map is still disingenuous. Outside of the 4 border states and the Tri state the US is 8% Hispanic. Outside of the south the Rest of the US is also only 7.5% Black.
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>>199500044
jew shill kys
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>>199498391
>There are 47 visa overstays for every illegal border crosser.
Funny because there's more border hoppers in the country than visa over stayers.
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>>199501452
You don't follow him at all. He has said this for a long, long time. Well before Obama's second term. He is a very consistent man. Anyway Ron Paul is right, why make a wall when you can bring your military home and instead of protect foreign borders with them actually protect yours.
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>>199475428
Here is the funny part.
THERE ALREADY IS A BORDER WALL. IT ALREADY EXISTS: It's just not good enough right now. And in some areas like the rio grande area, there's nothing there so they just pass on through. It's not like a barrier doesn't exist. But it needs to be improved upon. And perhaps add 2 more tiers to it so you can trap them in between. And make them a bit more militaresque so border patrol don't have to run around playing cat and mouse all the time.
So what is the point. Ron Paul is making platitudes about walls. THERE IS ALREADY ONE RON PAUL. IT ALREADY EXISTS. Just not good enough. Pretty much every nation that has illegal aliens that don't respect their borders, have a border barrier so the assholes don't just jump into their country. Because it requires a lot of personell to deal with them once they are inside, since they can hide in all kinds of places or be sheltered by various people.
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>>199501896
Because it is ridiculous to not have an improved barrier so you don't have to have military checkpoints for 2000 fucking miles! Do you know how much that would cost to have them all stationed there and play cat and mouse with illegal aliens. It would also lead to some of them getting shot aswell (the illegals) since without a barrier the only thing that stops these assholes from trying to run through is that if you shoot them or something. There's a reason to have barriers so you don't need ridiculous personell to play cat and mouse/catch with these people.
It's simply incredible that people want to argue if a barrier is helpful or not.
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>>199501896
It's really like arguing why have doors in your house? Maybe it's not helpful. Maybe just station an armed guard with an assault rifle, to stand in front of your entry way at all times whilst you are not at home. Great. That's not expensive at all.
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>lol we dont need a wall just get rid of every single federal and state program

Ron Paul is a two faced retard. We are so far past the point of solving this problem by removing gibs, not that trump could ever do that. Hispanics are on their way to a majority proportion of the population meaning they can vote in whatever they want and they often do. Im so tired of all this political bullshit where some faggot stands up and shouts "theres only 1 way to fix it do it this way or we wont do anything".

Build a wall, shoot to kill, arrest and deport, remove welfare for non-citzens. Pretty soon we wont have the population to matter, just look at the 2018 elections. Native americans were able to kick out democratic senators but the hoards of unwashed masses were able to vote in a ton of 'representatives' and completely disrupt the government. One day they will have enough to take over the senate as well and then the only thing left will be complete cultural capitulation.
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Ron Paul is pretending that there is no barrier right now, and that it can't be erected because walls are bad. It's NONSENSE. IT IS ALREADY THERE; it's just tiny and borderline useless at the moment. not well maintained somes places there are holes in it. It's not high enough and in some areas it's entirely lacking where there actually should be one regardless. Walls aren't bad or immoral. And the only reason it's necessary is because central and south americans don't respect US borders, same reason EVERY SINGLE NATION who has border barriers have them because the neighbourghing nations don't give a fuck about respecting the borders. There's tons of nations who have those. For very good reasons. So this whole walls are evil rethoric. You simply have to get rid of it. It's NONSENSE! It's like some overemotional 5 year old kind of argument.
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>>199476588
This is what you get.
We don't get Ron then you get Trump.
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>>199477386
Don't you know that the wall will fix everything including boosting white population, welfare, legal immigration, illegals being allowed to work & vote etc? Because it will & if you disagree you're a liberal ok.
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>>199478618
>Iron cross
>heh
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>>199475428
It's true. A more eloquent and effective option is to levy a 100k fine for each instance of hiring an illegal. In addition to that, allow citizens to anonymously report businesses who are hiring illegals, if ICE finds illegals working there, give half of the fine to the person who reported it per instance. It'd make it impossible for illegals to work and they'd all fuck off and go home or stop coming in the first place.
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>>199502255
>It's really like arguing why have doors in your house?
Not even close to the same thing. I eventually leave my place most days with my items inside, that isn't the case with me leaving the nation constantly.
>>199502127
Then why do we do it with nations that aren't us? We have military stationed at those borders yet we have ours unguarded for some reason. Why not bring them home, obviously it isn't expensive enough if we guard foreign borders year after year.
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Removing the incentives would take like 6 terms to accomplish. The wall is the lowest common denominator, once it's in place everything else can follow.
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>>199476588
They would have stonewalled him even more effectively than they've done Trump because Ron Paul is a meek and polite person while Trump is bombastic and isn't afraid to throw people's shit back at them with some of his own shit mixed in.
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>>199475428

He's not wrong. The best way to stop immigration is to make it so that it's easier for people to earn a living in their own country than to take a several thousand mile hike to be an undocumented immigrant in America. As long as there is more opportunity in America, even if you are undocumented, people will continue to come.
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>>199486517
>laws incentivizing immigration & also protecting illegals once they cross the border isn't the problem, it's their ability to cross the border thats the problem.
Clearly the wall will save us, it's not like the next democrat president won't just let them in through the gates of the wall or anything.
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So what you’re saying is that illegal immigrants should be shot if discovered, thus eliminating incentives to cross the border and saving the American taxpayer money by not building the wall.
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>>199475428
He's right about the benefits, but a wall would still be tactically useful. South and central American nations are not our friends, they are our subjects. They realize this and will not be happy given a long enough time under American neoliberal globalist rule. So a wall would make sense.
>>199476588
No wars for Israel, so it wouldn't happen.
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>>199503140
>Then why do we do it with nations that aren't us? We have military stationed at those borders yet we have ours unguarded for some reason. Why not bring them home, obviously it isn't expensive enough if we guard foreign borders year after year.
Nonono. that part i get. I think at this point bring the military aswell. But don't make the militarys job extra difficult by claiming you don't even need a fucking barrier anywhere/it doesn't need to be upgraded and patched up.
It's more the don't bother to upgrade the barrier. Since it's highly ineffective atm. You got 9 year old pregnant honduran women scaling the pathetic excuse for a barrier atm. Yes i literally read an article about it. Then she as apprehended by border patrol and birthed her anchor baby in USA.
>>199503065
>Don't you know that the wall will fix everything including boosting white population, welfare, legal immigration, illegals being allowed to work & vote etc? Because it will & if you disagree you're a liberal ok.
There is nobody that is saying it will fix illegal immigration. It will probably deal with 30% of it, rest is port security and visa overstays and these things. It's the all or nothing argument all over again. However illegal aliens costs US taxpayers 200 billion annualy. And the US democrats will only agree to 1.3 billion to boost the barrier, which you can do pretty much nothing with whilst they lose 2000x as much for the US taxpayers whilst they dick around. Fantastic. Also most of the drugs are coming through that way. Which is a big deal.
>border wall doesn't fix 100% only 30% so don't bother having it at all, because why reduce anything if you can't reduce it by 100% in one fell swoop.
I'm tired of the intellectual dishonesty of that 'argument'. It's intellectually bankrupt infact.
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>>199497582
Yeah, I voted for him, I saw how the establishment ghosted him. I realized with Trump that someone like Trump was needed to combat the cancerous growths that have entrenched themselves in all our institutions.
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>>199503552
Sorry 9 months pregnant obviously is what i meant to say.
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>>199501303
That's the point. Import as many 3rd worlders as you can to stay in office. They vote along racial lines which is Democrat.
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>>199503140
>Not even close to the same thing. I eventually leave my place most days with my items inside, that isn't the case with me leaving the nation constantly.
Excuse me sir, but it actually is. Arguing that a barrier is not relevant because you can just station military. Is the same as saying don't have doors because you can station armed guards at your house and stop people from running into your house and taking your stuff. Doors are helpful. They can be broken through, but in general. They are pretty good at stopping people from walking through your entryway.
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>>199478354

Ron probably wouldn't have cut down on refugee acceptance tho
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>>199476991
Niggities don't do well in the cold, just wait until winter. Canada's harsh environment is what keeps it white.
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well he's right in that the wall doesn't really matter when the will to keep illegals out isn't there

I'll take what I can get though
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>>199475428
we just need to start tagging and releasing spics
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>>199503247
>would take
it's never going to happen
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>>199503552
It's not the all or nothing argument, you could literally spend the money for the wall campaigning to elect people into office across several states who could actually pass laws criminalizing hiring illegals & making it extremely difficult for illegals to get welfare. Spending billions of dollars to put a symbolic bandaid on a gunshot wound is ridiculous, especially when there's already private companies who've devised a way to catch illegals across the entire southern border for a fraction of the price. Even with a wall & even if all immigration was magically frozen right this second, permanently, whites will still become a minority in a few decades. As long as welfare exists to feed the spics & allow them to breed its basically over for America.
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>>199478123
???????????
immigrants and welfarebabs would flee like mad and seek elsewhere. with no gibs it doesn't matter if you have borders. if you have a society that has 0 need for 85 iq workers then they just physically cannot persist there.
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Also it's the border patrol that has requested that the wall be improved upon. Because basically they say this will make their job a heck of a lot easier. Meanwhile all the wackjobs are talking about if walls even work as a basic construct. It's simply incredible. The discussion has devalued to something a 5 year old would laugh at and say
>haha that's stupid, ofcourse walls work
But it's ofcourse because certain elements are very interested in the current border wall not being made actually functional in stopping people trying to cross it.
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>>199502127
nah, theoretically if we had sane welfare (none), the amount of people illegally immigrating relative to the population would be insignificant

you don't need to patrol the border when nobody is trying to come over
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>>199475428
This is good. Presenting alternatives means that if the major plan falls through, its not seen as definitive.
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>>199504308
Dude, the WALL ALREADY EXISTS; it just needs to be upgraded, because in its current form, it's not good enough, it's not up to code basically. The illegal aliens are getting through too easily because it's fucking shit right now. It's about improving the current one and/or building multitier barriers. Aswell as in some places the barrier is lacking. But overall the wall the idiots desperately don't want trump to build. It's already there. It's just too small and ineffective.
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>>199475428
Having "access to whites" is what shitskins really want.
Even if we remove all the gibsmedats, having "access to whites" would STILL improve their quality of life enough to justify coming here.
So the lolbert argument really isn't even true.
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>>199504476
There'd still be a shit ton of Mexicans crossing for jobs even if only seasonally, in addition to ending welfare we'd have to make hiring illegals a serious criminal offense.
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>>199504615
Oh, sorry, didn't know the entire southern border had a wall, my mistake.
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>>199504476
>nah, theoretically if we had sane welfare (none), the amount of people illegally immigrating relative to the population would be insignificant
What do you think is easiest to get through politically? Upgrading a barrier that exists and stop them from running in. or saying no welfare for any immigrants for the first let's say 30 years they are in the country? Yes you can make it so intolerable for illegal aliens and immigrants that they don't want to come. Or you can atleast begin with reducing the illegal aliens say 20-30% of it that is happening via US porous southern border.
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>>199475428
>Librarian philosophy: be individualist so collectivist niggers can conquer you.
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>>199475428
We need both a barrier AND removal of incentives. Sort of like how we could make great strides in prison reform if we just kept criminals in perpetual solitary confinement with no contact or entertainment, maybe people would think twice.
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>>199504476
You mean noone is working illegally for less than you would have been paid? You mean noone is shipping in drugs?
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>>199476588
The way he was constantly cut off mid sentence, "technical problems" while he was interviewed, the fact that he got enough votes only for them to change the require votes higher to screw him so that the wet blanket romeny could lose to obama - its what led to statistics saying media and government had less than 10% public trust
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>>199475428
What about all the illegal drugs, human trafficking, and weapons that go back and forth? Fuck off Ron
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t. the newest of fags
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>>199504751
Almost all of it already has, it's just a pathetic fence type of deal though. Like it's so ridiculous a small child could climb over it. To the point where if you don't want to improve it just fucking tear it down because then it's just symbolic like. Just put a fucking plackard and says US border do not cross. So it's not properly constructed. A barrier is one that you can't just easily scale. A barrier is to make it so border patrol doesn't have to run around constantly chasing these people around. Because they would have to do something seriously substantial to get to the other side of it. Some areas are totally missing though like rio grande. Look all the US democrats some decades ago and whatnot. They were saying EXACTLY THE SAME TRUMP IS SAYING. Now they changed tune because their party changed strategy to use the illegal aliens as voting block.
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>>199475428
We need to have a wall and destroy the welfare state. Ron is half right.
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>>199476588

Ron Paul was planning to overturn EVERY executive order during his inaugural speech:

https://www.garynorth.com/public/8877.cfm
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>>199504950
Those will make their way in with or without a wall as long as it is profitable to move them.
Step up sting operations. Bag distributers get them to rat
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>>199475828
Yep. Curiously the media hasnt reported on the gasoline shortage in Mexico. They can't even protect their gas reserves from thiefs.
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>>199476588
Ultra cucked and crippled to its very knees by partisans Paul is completely incapable of handling. A ronpaul presidency would have gotten literally nothing done for four pathetic years.
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>>199505085
You don't need to destroy welfare system for citizens. You just need to put your foot down and say immigrants can't have any of it. Till they are in the US for say 30-40 years. And ofcourse specially not illegal aliens. Then they either make that sacrifice or they fuck off or don't even come. This ofcourse some idiot lawyers will say violate some blablabla of constitution or whatnot, although i doubt it even does. But basically. It's far easier politically to build a barrier and have increased security and hunt down illegal aliens and throw them out. It's much easier sell politically. Because it's against US law to begin with. With selective welfare you are targetting specifically immigrants and denying them various things. That they don't deserve ofcourse having paid no taxes into it. But you are still profiling them, and the libtards will go apeshit over that. With illegal aliens they can't do shit, because it's illegal. Not a single illegal alien is allowed to be in usa, they have no right to to stay. Therefore no right to anything in the US but get kicked out.
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>>199505206
>Ultra cucked and crippled to its very knees by partisans Paul is completely incapable of handling. A ronpaul presidency would have gotten literally nothing done for four pathetic years.
I totally agree with that. He's like a nice uncle that wants to say all the right things. But he's so completely irrational on so many issues and too much virtue signalling sadly. I don't think he would have been effective either.
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To all the losers in this thread calling Ron Paul a cuck, be honest:

If Ron Paul was on the ballot - would you have voted for him?

Any answer other than yes will be an obvious lie.
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>Proof shills exist
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>>199504652
those problems are internal and won't be solved even with a border
>easiest to get through politically?
I'm blackpilled and have no expectation of anything meaningful getting through ever
>drugs
drugs should be legalized anyway
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>>199505025
I still believe that using private companies with drones will FLIR cameras would be more effective than a wall. There is precedent of private mercs running ops within the US ala Blackwater in New Orleans, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. But to be fair a wall is basically permanent. if it ever gets made that is.
My angle here is that once a proper wall is made, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief & call it a day when it should be just the beginning of a long push towards removing Mexicans already here & removing incentive. It's always when the dam is beginning to collapse that people start taking shit seriously, the wall is like plugging a leak in the dam while ignoring massive cracks in the foundation.
Everyone is short sighted, gotta keep eyes on the long term but I suppose it's moot, normal people will only wake up when it gets really bad.
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t b q h I care a lot more about abolishing the welfare state than about a wall. and he's right, they're coming because leftist governments provide the incentive to come.

ron paul is on another level and anyone who doesn't appreciate him is seriously nu-/pol/
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>>199475428
How about all of it?! A wall 30 feet high, another 30 feet deep with radar and sentry posts every few miles, with apaches blackhawks drones and mraps on station ready to move when these nigs violate the NAP. Concurrently, remove entitlement programs, deport the illegals, fix immigration laws (anchor babies, chain migration, catch and release) and execute all illegal murderers, drone strike cartels, exile/imprison letter agency drug contacts contacts, purge california/oregon/washington/NY political leadership, enact infrastructure reform, boost white birth rates, emphasize sciences and start a race to mine and populate space in our images, create warp tech, automate agriculture and restore our ecosystems. all can be done within 50 years, with most in the first 10. Not avocating this but we could run the world (government) and create the conditions that allow these backwards ass people to recognize their own mirror images in no time.
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>>199506061
fuck your either or fallacies you sycophantic noob
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>>199502255
That might be the second most stupid thing I’ve read this week.
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>>199506293
Calling me a noob is NOT AN ARGUMENT.
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Anyway, it doesn't matter - no country can get a leader like Ron Paul because voters are genuinely stupid for the most part.

Look at websites like this and you'll see that people will never overlook petty differences and come together to address pivotal issues:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

It's every man for himself. Trump 2020.
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>>199475428
>remove incentives
The incentive is not being a third world shithole, immigrants will flock to the us like flies to shit until it collapses the least you can do is erect a physical barrier
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ron /pol/, /b/
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>>199475428
why i agree with Dr Paul, the wall prevents the liberals from rolling back any changes when they regain power, if we just change policy alone then its just temporary, a wall is a permanent immigration policy
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>>199481521
Because of muslim sea raiders and their slavers. True story
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>>199475428
This is the only time Ron Paul would ever even be acknowledged by the these kikes. Notice the main statement of his is how to end immegration through removal of welfare. Meanwhile, the kikes would never allow this either. They just want someone to say a wall is wrong, while never doing anything.
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You’re all fools. You really can’t see that the wall is to prevent producers from leaving the country when the socialists take over? Someone needs to pay for gibs for all the shitskins for all the shitskins once their jobs are automated.

I thought you were smarter than this, /pol/
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I agree with Ron Paul. He's right and we should remove government incentives so that immigrants have less desire to come here.
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>>199478113
>We had open borders for most of our existence when technology limited movement to horse drawn carts and sailing ships that reliably killed a percentage of their passengers
ftfy
>Open borders are only a problem if you live in a world where long distance travel was a perilous and expensive experience that most people undertook only once in a lifetime
ftfy AGAIN

Think about how difficult it would be to travel from Squatemala to New York in the 19th century by horse. Think about how dangerous it was to sail on a typhus ridden wooden sailing ship thousands of miled across the ocean at the mercy of every passing storm, and how expensive it was to embark on such a journey which could take MONTHS.
Now compare that to the modern day when every broke ass shitskin can just hop on a bus across his entire continent to get to the border of the country he wants to sneak into. Where jet planes can fly you around the world in a matter of hours in perfect safety for only a few hundred dollars.

You're an idiot if you think the immigration policies of the 19th century are applicable to the 21st.
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>>199507362
we should do that as well as a barrier
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>>199506620

no pointing out your fallacy is an argument. I was insulting you dipshit.
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>>199501303
If the end goal was to have the wall keep us in, Schumer and the j00 cr00 would want it.
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>>199507216
Right because we're all going flee to fucking Mexico when the beaners take over .
Moron.
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>>199475428
he is right, but his only argument is stop social security ?
I'm not a paid senator.
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>>199479006
that's literally what he's arguing for, an end to the welfare state.
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watch the video. he says that if we didnt have a welfare state we wouldnt have an illegal immigration problem and wouldnt need a wall. hes absolutely right. the welfare state is the problem
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>>199475428
Its true, you could just shoot them
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>>199508463
no it's not, not having borders is
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>>199508695
both are problems.
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>>199475428
Cutting off welfare and all benefits for leeches is the best solution but it will never happen with cucks like Trump and every other republican in charge, therefore building a wall is best option we have. Ron Paul is the best President this country could have hoped for, but he would have never been allowed to become one. People here calling Ron weak and saying he wouldn't be able to achieve anything because he's too polite to fight, but at least he never shied away from telling the truth and has never compromised on his principles unlike Trump who lies, flip flops every second and brakes all his promises.
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>>199508794
democracy
two guys , 1 girl
we gonna rape you 66 % majority
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>>199505985
>I still believe that using private companies with drones will FLIR cameras would be more effective than a wall. There is precedent of private mercs running ops within the US ala Blackwater in New Orleans, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. But to be fair a wall is basically permanent. if it ever gets made that is.
Here's how i see it. a) the borderwall already exists, but doesn't cover nearly enough as it should. In the few places where there is a proper bollard fence. Which is btw. the technical description of the current segment choice. Which is a dirt cheap steal barrier wall. That they argued trump down to due to not giving enough funding. Anyways in those places where they have that. They have no problems with illegal aliens trying to cross in those sections. It's the other ones. Basically the barrier already exists, but it's inferior and needs to be upgraded. It's not doing its job. here's why it is important and why trump insists on it. For two obvious reasons, aside from drugs and escavating to sever all the existing tunnels. Here's the 2 major reasons. a) a proper barrier that actually works so they can't just climb it. And pretty easy to do so. Makes it easier for border patrol in the first place. b) It's a signal and preparation to deal with sanctuary cities. See when ICE gets in hypergear and gets all those thrown out. They since they have been in USA for some years. They want to INSTANTLY try to get back in. Most likely candidate is through the border. Because these people will obviously not get visa or any such thing after they are deported. So it's to keep deported people out after deportation. Also a barrier really helps. it really does. You can add high tech drones and stuff to aid with it. But a solid barrier that actually works that you can't just climb. Helps TREMENDOUSLY the border patrol. They are the ones arguing for it saying, give us this trump, it'll make our job so much easier! we having trouble with it now..
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>>199475428
ron paul sucks mexican cock, who knew.
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>>199509177
brining democracy to the me
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>>199509321
plato ; democracy sucks
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>>199509251
CNN even realizes this, here's chris cuomo admitting that the border wall is already there. But it's just not good enough. https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/08/cnn-chris-cuomo-donald-trump-border-wall/
And they know that 1.3 billion is not enough. This is why trump is having the shutdown. They are lowballing trump on purpose. What do they want to build the barrier with, paper? They already got trump way down to 5.7b. An already low number to make an effective barrier where when that's done. Man it's going to be so easy for border patrol. But US democrats refuse to go higher than 1.3b and that's what finally pissed trump off so much that he had the shutdown. Because he can't deliver. And the US democrats know that as long as they keep the budget that low. You can't do nothing with it. They are totally doing that on purpose.
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>>199509613
Yeah, if you station military at the entire border with lethal authorization. You'll stop it permanently. But. You'll also kill a bunch of people in the process, that'll be nice PR won't it. With a proper barrier they can try and fail to climb it, a few morons might make it without dying, and those the border patrol can then intercept. A barrier will make the border patrols job easier. It's just amazing people don't notice that it's the border patrol that fucking requested this in the first place. Saying they need it! The current border barrier is bullshit, it's ineffective, and it's missing in several segments aswell.
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>>199475428
While I agree with him that we should remove the incentives to come, the fact is that once you cross the border, you are basically here for good. You think a child about to die like those two guatamalans could climb a 30+foot wall? You think a pregnant chick who pops out a now american citizen less than 24 hours after she crossed the border could climb a giant wall? One of the biggest problems is simply that we give these people a day in court. They get released into the public, and the majority never show up. Those that do, can drag that process out for years. Many of them shitting out american citizen kids, which makes their case better in the eyes of the judge. There is a reason many people who hop the border simply turn themselves in to border patrol. They know mommy federal government will take care of them. If they can't get into the country they lose a lot of leverage.
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>>199475828
Yeah, man. You needed to go into Iraq too. Because of threats or some shit.

>>199476933
You're actually too stupid/ignorant to understand what he's saying. What he's saying is that the more you shut yourself off to the world, the poorer you become. This leads to the wall keeping people in, instead of keeping people out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgQvTnuVz5U
When even CNN's chris cuomo realizes look maybe a functional barrier is a pretty good idea. As in upgrade existing one and put the missing segments in place. Then it's probably time for people to get their head out of their ass haha.
He has defended the border wall upgrade for 3 days in a row now. And even is in this video shitting at his co host don lemon which i thought was hilarious.
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>>199496280
>deagel.com
What the hell kind of site is that?
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>>199475428
Why not both?
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>>199475428
>“I don’t like walls,” Paul added.
Does he live in a wall-less house?
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>>199497351
Stop, I can only get so erect.
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>>199477031
He is the doom meme
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>>199475428
E-Verify would be the single best way to disincentivize illegal immigration, but my guess is Paul is against that.
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>>199478814
Kek, why would there be immigrants if welfare was completely removed?
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>>199475428
damn never thought ron paul would be wrong.
stick to finances bud.
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>>199475428
ron paul /b/ wooooo
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Fortunately the moron didn't get elected.

Piece of shit should be removed like the rest of the libertarian scum.
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>>199510726
There'd still be immigrants even if there was no way to come illegally. But it'd be the kind you probably want and very few in comparison since they have to come with some qualification and/or know that they will have to work by declaring you're not getting taxpayer money funded stuff for say 10-15 years, you have to work here and then you have put something in, you can take something out. That wants to work. But even those who come because they want to work. Well you have to consider that this is not always good either. they are then competing with the american workforce. Which means probably some americans would be out of a job. And you first need to take care of your own citizens. So immigration as a whole is actually a problem if you have employment issues of your own people already. If all your citizens that are able have a job already. THEN you might consider adding some immigrants, or you know people who work there for some years and then go back to their countries, you don't need to give them citizenship. Aka what is called guest workers. Like qatar is an example of guest workers they have like 87% guest workers their workforce. They go live in qatar and work. They don't get citizenship. They do a job building stuff. Then they leave. No citizenship, just making money. Now that's not very good for the economy since they take that money with them when they leave. But qataris are filthy rich with oil so they don't care. They just buy western expertize to build stuff. But when they can go on welfare. And basically take opportunity of taxpayer money if they get into the country also illegally. It attracts all the wrong type of immigrants that are bad for the country. Legal immigration is just really the only way to do it. You can control your demographics pretty well that way too. This is precisely why certain nefarious forces don't like it.
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>>199507801
Focus, brainlet. Did I say the beaners are going to take over? No, progressive democrats are going to take over and raise our taxes to provide gibs for the shitskins. The wall is to prevent us from fleeing the country. Try to come up with an actual argument.
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>>199511042
Mexican Christians aren't as bad as the atheistic socialists raised by your own education system.
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>>199511592
>Focus, brainlet. Did I say the beaners are going to take over? No, progressive democrats are going to take over and raise our taxes to provide gibs for the shitskins. The wall is to prevent us from fleeing the country. Try to come up with an actual argument.
Why is it the beaners as you call them are celebrating that white americans are soon to become a minority in their own country in a decade or two. The demographic projections are pretty clear lad. So you are wrong about that. As to the other point. The wall is to stop you from fleeing. That's total nonsense. The border wall is already there. Just not good enough. In it's current state it is inferior as a barrier, and entire segments are missing. That were never constructed. The type trump is arguing to be constructed. Is a type called a bollard fence. steel rod fence. Yes it has a name. It's not a new design. It's one of the cheapest designs. But it's quite effective. Far from as effective as you could make it, you´d have to look at other designs. But if you wanted a design where you could basically just sit and do nothing and they'd kill themselves for trying to scale it. That'd be fairly easy to do aswell.
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I like how nearly everyone here didn’t btoher to click the link to understand what Ron Paul is talking about.
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>>199511907
>Why is it the beaners as you call them are celebrating that white americans are soon to become a minority in their own country in a decade or two.
Yes that might happen. By “take over” I’m talking about occupying political office. Mostly white democrats will do that.

As for your special wall, would it not prevent people on the inside from exiting? You call my argument nonsense but didn’t counter it.
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>>199475428
I always loved the image of the wall also serving double duty; keeping our Southern border secure and also being a high speed rail between all the border states. But Paul is also right; destroy the incentives to come here, while also destroying any protection people can receive, and they'll basically self deport.

Did you hire an illegal? Oops! That's a million dollar fine and forfeiture of your business.

Did you rent to an illegal? Oops! That's a million dollar fine and forfeiture of your property!

Did you help an illegal ascertain a fake identity? Oops! That's a million dollar fine and 10 years in Prison.

Did you sneak into America illegally? Oops! We're no longer deporting you, you're now free labor in a federal prison fpr 15 years! Don't worry, your kids get to come too!

Then you just need to figure out a way to tax money going out of the US from illegals to their family and wala!
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>>199512436
>As for your special wall, would it not prevent people on the inside from exiting? You call my argument nonsense but didn’t counter it.
It's a delusional argument about walls in general that aside from keeping people out they can also keep people in. The current bollard fence which is currently IN PLACE in some places along the southern US border. Is functioning pretty decent. The point is, in some places there are worse. And entire segments are missing. This is how they are getting through so easily. So the border patrol is saying look give us this bollard wall all across the missing sections aswell. Trump originally wanted something substantially better than a bollard wall. It'd probably cost like 30-40 billion. And then you could practically leave it alone. Because the barrier you can erect with that budget. It'd make it so you can forget trying to scale it. It's not happening. It's not hard to design it either. Several designs are already made long ago to make it so you die trying to climb it. The bollard wall is pretty ok. If it was in place in all areas the border patrol would have a very easy job. You could substantially reduce border patrol staff infact if you had a proper barrier. Considering it costs us taxpayers over 100 billion already with illegal immigration. And let's say 20-30% of it comes via the southern border at the missing segments or segments that are poorly constructed. Inferior as barrier. This is a very good investment. They blackballed him all the way down to bollard fence for 5.7 billion. I think he should go much higher than that. Because even just financially it makes no sense not to.
You are worried about walls as in they will keep you in. But this is not why. It's the border patrol that is asking for this. Because too many are not intercepted due to the current state of the US border barrier, or lack thereof.
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>>199476588
Pretty based
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>>199512989
>It's a delusional argument about walls in general that aside from keeping people out they can also keep people in.
So every prison in the world with an outdoor area is based on a delusional idea. Got it.

>tries to sell me a bollard fence
Thanks but I’m not interested.
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>>199475428
can this faggot just go back to obscurity already?
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>>199513539
>So every prison in the world with an outdoor area is based on a delusional idea. Got it.
Look it's delusional to say that having a proper barrier with a country through which massive illegal aliens have been coming through the us lack of proper barrier for a long time, probably like 20-30% of illegal aliens come through that way. That if you make it work. Then USA becomes a prison to keep people in. It's delusional. You think if you build a barrier at the BORDER. You turn america into a prison where you can't leave. Then that's what i'll call you delusional. Plenty of nations have border barriers if surrounding nations don't respect their borders in similar ways. It's not designed to keep them in. More than walls in your house are designed to keep you imprisoned in your house. It's to keep people you don't want in your house from entering it. Same as a border barrier.
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>>199513539
>tries to sell me a bollard fence
>Thanks but I’m not interested.
This is already what is on large parts of the US border. I'm just telling you what that design is called. It's exactly the type trump is proposing aswell currently since he couldn't get some more high tier barrier that is far harder to scale, which he talked about during the campaign. Due to lack of funding. Is why his current proposal is as low as 5.7b. And the Democrats say 1.3b knowing you can't build it with that. It's not enough.
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>>199513991
This is why they are having the shutdown. It's like i need this amount at the very minimum to build it cheapskate but effective enough barrier.
>ok i'll give you 1/4th of that
>go fuck yourself.
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He can't go lower than 5.7b it's the absolute minimum number it can be done for if that's even enough. They know it. And they refuse to accept it. And say 1.3b come on we are being generous. It's hilarious.
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>>199513806
>Then USA becomes a prison to keep people in. It's delusional.
Wrong. That’s exactly what will happen with huge scale unemployment low-skilled jobs are lost to automation. People who still have jobs will be taxed massively. They want to flee the country and walls will be used to prevent that from happening.

>my house as a comparison
There’s a big difference. Everyone in my house loves each other. That’s not the same as my country. Many elected officials hate me and will be willing to hurt me because I’m a straight, white, conservative male.
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>>199514728
So let 20-30% of illegal aliens keep coming in via southern border. Because if you build the barrier so that it is effective. It might keep you in. Doesn't sound like a winning strategy buddy.
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>>199514997
That’s where cutting off the gibs and minimum wages comes in. Most of them would stop coming and and a lot of them would leave.
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>>199515262
Look your argument is irrational. What is to stop you from going to canada? You act as if you are being fenced in. Eventhough probably 20-30% of illegals are coming in via southern border, and that's what the discussion is about. To sort that out. If you are so worried you should probably leave USA instead of being so fucking paranoid.
You are so afraid of walls it's practically a phobia for you i mean for real. So you are so mortally afraid of having a border barrier, that you'd rather have illegals coming in, and deal with it another way, rather than doing a bit of both.
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>>199475428
how about both
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>>199508794
no they are not , you are just an idiot, no doubt being fed by your superior capitalism or military
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>>199516496
lol >you
I'm the communist guy, your worst nightmare,





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