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A trade union worker has nothing in common with Jacob Reese Mogg just because they have the same skin color. Just imagine them trying to talk to each other let another agree to a governing set of rules.

Wealth inequality punctures exactly the kind of solidarity and society you are trying to build. Even if you could end all immigration tomorrow, you still wouldn't have 'tribal' belonging if you continued to have massively different lifestyles owing to differences in wealth.

In real tribes, primitive tribes, the sense of solidarity is so strong that people who hoard wealth for themselves are ridiculed, threatened, and finally murdered or forced to leave. That's how a real tribe works.
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>>213454712
We are not a tribe. We never were a tribe. Globalism and the modern age has distorted the concept of tribalism. 2000 years ago we would have all been killing each other.
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>>213454977
We aren't a tribe, but one of the goals people on this board seem to share is re-establishing a tribal sense of belonging, which has been lost.
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>>213455200
Probably because they are losers and shitskins disassociated or excluded from the "dominant" cultural identity.
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>>213455664
That's nonsense, excluded people tend to want to weaken unity in society until they 'seem' to belong better. Look at the state of the average leftist.
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>>213454712
Native American tribes had elders who controlled and distributed the wealth. Don’t you think they gave themselves a bigger share and a bigger tent? Humans are naturally corrupt under communism that corruption is even more prounouced because of the unlimited totalitarian power the ruling classes have over the economy there’s no easy fix
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>>213456217
>That's nonsense, excluded people tend to want to weaken unity in society until they 'seem' to belong better.

That's the final stage of exclusion. The natural tendency is to want to belong and be accepted. When they cannot achieve this, then they want to destroy. Look at elliot rodgers and other assorted /pol/ losers.

"People also vary in how they cope, which is the second stage of ostracism. Coping can mean the person tries to harder be included. For example, some of those who are ostracized may be more likely to engage in behaviors that increase their future inclusion by mimicking, complying, obeying orders, cooperating or expressing attraction.

"They will go to great lengths to enhance their sense of belonging and self-esteem," Williams said.

If they feel there is little hope for re-inclusion or that they have little control over their lives, they may resort to provocative behavior and even aggression.

"At some point, they stop worrying about being liked, and they just want to be noticed," Williams said."

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2011/110510WilliamsOstracism.html
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>>213456548
>Don’t you think they gave themselves a bigger share and a bigger tent?
They couldn't have gotten away with very much given the social consequences if they were seen to be selfish.

>Humans are naturally corrupt under communism that corruption is even more prounouced because of the unlimited totalitarian power the ruling classes have over the economy there’s no easy fix
There's no ruling class under communism. Power is dispersed among all the different societal actors.
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>>213457272
The why do all communist countries still have governments and police forces if power is evenly distributed? If anything power becomes a lot more concentrated
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>>213457272
>There's no ruling class under communism.
Of course there is.

>Power is dispersed among all the different societal actors.
Who selects those actors?
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>>213457506
Because they aren't communist.

>>213457574
>Who selects those actors?
The people
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>>213454712
Identity intersects with class, race, gender, profession, ethnicity and so on. They're not mutually exclusive in any sense.
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>>213458290
Never tried real communism yada yada yada. Go try it then you and all your antifa buddies go set up the perfect communism in the Siberian wastes and prove to the world humans aren’t corrupt
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>>213458290
And what are the roles of the actors?
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>>213454712
>wage's

I wonder why he isn't paid more. Curious.
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>>213454712
>A trade union worker has nothing in common with Jacob Reese Mogg
Who cares
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>>213458586
They didn't even claim to have achieved communism retard
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>>213459796
So to achieve communism we just need to give all power to a corrupt criminal upper class who assures us we will sometime in the future achieve communism but for now they control everything... yeah nah
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>>213454712
You're right which is why capitalism is a meme as well. The solution is not to flip human nature on its head and revolt against the natural order - but rather to put these two parties with the mediation of a third party, the state, which sees that these groups work in congress with each other and not in abuse or revolt against the other.
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>>213454712
>just because they have the same skin color.
>ids jus skin coluh
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>oh my god how could you be so hateful its just skin coluh
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>>213460044
>ree their noses are the same shape as well
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>>213459970
> flip human nature on its head and revolt against the natural order
Which is what, egalitarianism? Social stratification is fairly new in history, about the time of farming, natural order hardly comes into it.
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>>213460620
Human beings are and always have been hierarchical in nature. Look at any tradition anywhere in the world and this can be found. People are like a body and different people serve different niche functions. The idea that we're all of a "broadly average" template and that distinctions are arbitrary is anti-empirical.
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>>213459970
How is capitalism a meme? Saying capitalism is a meme is a meme.
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>>213460620
Social stratification IS the natural order.
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>>213460906
People have always had leaders, but not social stratification in the sense of birth-right, classes, or inheritance, all of which capitalism and private property produce. Leaders were also held in check by the egalitarian attitude which censured selfish hording.
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>>213461207
Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin. They are both insufficient and reject natural order. The answer is a third position that is more along the lines of a Catholic Monarchy. This is the original meaning of "right wing" after all. During the French Revolution, the people who stood on the left wing of the national assembly were the revolutionaries and revolution sympathizers, whereas the right wing were in favor of the Catholic Monarch
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>>213462515
>Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin.
when you have to be profound, just say two completely opposite things are 'two sides of the same coin'
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>>213462480
It doesn't need to entirely be in such specific forms as birth-right and inheritance with everything. But basic interaction with many people from many backgrounds attests to the fact that people do naturally fall within hierarchical places. The goal should be to see to it that this is carried out in a just way, which is fitting to the people within each place. During the Middle Ages, the serfdom class was protected and allowed to live as they saw fit as long as they tilled land and gave grain to the house which provided protection and order - work which is inherently fulfilling to people.

It is the capitalist system which seeks to squeeze every drop of blood and soul out of these people for profit. During the Middle Ages, vast swathes of land which were owned by the Church were used freely by the peasantry as they wished. When the Protestant,Capitalist, industrial revolutions happened, these lands were fenced off into private property for the sake of mass production, and the serfdom was driven into urban centers to live in misery.

Third Position is the only way which properly identifies the problems with industrial capitalism but stayed within the realm of human nature and natural law.
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>>213462748
They're both materialist and antithetical to the Logos or natural order. One makes an idol of production for productions sake along with avarice and greed, the other revolts against natural order entirely. But that antithesis and materialism is a commonality which makes them two sides of the same coin. The heads and tails are opposites, are they not? Yet they are found on the same coin.
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>>213462515
Define what the word capitalism means. And there is no such thing as a catholic monarchy. It's just a monarchy, and fuedal societies are capitalist.
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>>213462975
>They're both materialist and antithetical to the Logos or natural order.
The natural order is survival of the fitest. That is the basis of free market capitalism. You are conflating what you think capitalism is with information you've acquired from cultural sources.
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>>213462887
>During the Middle Ages, the serfdom class was protected and allowed to live as they saw fit as long as they tilled land and gave grain to the house which provided protection and order - work which is inherently fulfilling to people.
nigger that was a completely unnatural system, How the h*ck is it 'natural' to have to labour for some landowner just for the right to feed yourself? It's unnatural to have any ruling class at all.

The Church is also unnatural, and in the Middle Ages was clearly a leech on the people. People naturally share with one another, the Church just took the place of the middle man and squandered much of the donations.
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>>213463396
>During the Middle Ages, the serfdom class was protected and allowed to live as they saw fit as long as they tilled land and gave grain to the house which provided protection and order - work which is inherently fulfilling to people

That is not the entirety of the feudal system. You've omitted a specific class. The fuedal system is no different than the system we have today other than the fact that serfs were slaves. You also neglected to mention that serfs were slaves.



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