Why do catholics worship mary
>>535583113She was hot enough for God to want to knock her up
because she carried and gave birth to god. she is the ark. you might ask why jews worship a magical talking box and it would be the same answer
>>535583113Why do you worship a jew?
We don't
>>535583113she squirted out baby jesus
The Vatican has a huge snake headed building in it.
Why do you worship israel
>>535583516Prots will do trick photography to avoid admitting being nice to their neighbors is a necessary part of faith
>>535583113pagan Ishtar/Semiramis worship.its luciferianism in disguise, any satanist could tell you this.>>535583393jews didnt worship the ark, but the person who took place on the mercy seat.
>>535583113She is a stand-in for Fatima, ishtar, whatever. Catholics are either pagans or abrahamists depending on the context. But in reality they just worship power.
>>535583393When Jesus Christ said to PRAY TO GOD IN MY NAME,you said “I’ma pray to Mary doe!”????Stand up and be real for once in your life, FAGGOT.
>>535584045You're not praying TO Mary, you ask her to pray to God for you. Have you ever had a friend pray for you? Is that idolatry?
>>535584336Why the fuck would I ask Mary to pray on my behalf? WHyat the fuck.
>>535584468>why would I want my fellow man to commune with God with me and help me glorify His name???
>>535584336You need to be smacked upside the head. Tbh
>>535584336>asking spirits to pray for you is the same as a friend praying for youdelusional and disingenuous. talmudic levels of pilpul.
Do Catholics not care about idolatry?
>>535584590This only makes sense if you don't believe in the Kingdom of God
>>535583873Lucifer is Jesus/Nakash who helped Adam and Eve escape Yahweh/Enki's Eden prison
Why do Evalgelicals worship Israel and literal golden idols of Donald Trump?
>>535584635the kingdom is established in the second coming.every saint is waiting for the resurrection.until then you pray to spirits, spirits you dont know. thats heavily prohibited in the bible.>>535584637>gnostic garbage on the rise again
>>535584637Gnostics are so retard its unreal
>>535583873Ishtar mogs mary
>>535584742The Kingdom already exists, it grows in full ess until it is complete in the second coming. Thanks for playing dumdum
>>535584596>idolatryIs praying to your family idolatry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Heaven_(antiquity)
I hate Protestants and JewsT.Catholic
>>535585543I'd like papists more if their pope hated jews.
>>535585539>jewpediakys Shlomo
>>535584980>until it is complete in the second comingyeah, thats what I just said. so stop praying to the "queen of heaven" maybe so your apostasy doesnt delay the coming and you are actually let into the kingdom and not counted among them outside.
>>535585476>praying to your familyhope you meant for. and no, praying to spirits is not like praying for others that are alive.
>>535583113why do christians worship kikes
>>535583113We don't, you jew, you better stay very very away from catholics.
we venerate Her, there is a big difference, but you're probably ESL despite the flag, so it's understandable
>>535583113Jung said it was more psychologically balanced, a quaternity with the feminine included. Sort of makes sense but I've never quite gotten into it as a convert>>535584468As shown at the wedding at Cana, Jesus, like all good sons, is open to the requests of his mother
>>535584742Have you never heard of the Assumption?
>>535584468This nigger then goes online as asks for prayers when his dad gets raped by a kangaroo
>>535583113Catholishits are pedophiles
>>535587036bodily assumption? made up bullshit. only Jesus ascended into heaven.
>>535584596This isn't really "idolatry."In practice, "idolatry" means 'worshipping manmade things.' Ie ideas, ideology, technology, etcIt is a really big problem. Praying to saints is not a really big problem. Focus on the things that actually matter. if you care so much about idolatry, go after ideologues. >>535586859It makes me glad that the Christ haters on here are so boring and stupid, reinforces my feeling that I'm on the right side of things
>>535586945praying to, bowing to, lighting candles to is still worship.
>>535587122No you are a pedo.
>>535583994How's the current state of protestanism going again?
Tonantzin Coahtlichue, mother of Huizilopoztli? She's pretty Based.
>>535587143Incorrect. Mary was assumed to heaven on the 15th of August. That's Church tradition, if you disagree you are a protestant, you worship Satan and should be set on fire.
>>535587143So did Elijah>>535587297settle downThis Christian sectarian infighting is really unnecessary and exactly what they want. We are all on the same side right now against a much worse common enemy
>>535583113We have dozens of idols that do different things when you pray to them, they’re called saints. It’s what happens when one tradition fucks a bunch of others, they become one.And protestantism has some of these elements too.
>>535583113>>535583440>>535583442>>535583485>>535583528>>535583873>>535587122This this thread will never be Black
>>535587297thats made up bullshit.mary doesnt have a special place among the saints, stop your idol worship.>you worship Satan and should be set on fireclassic catholic response, if you dont agree with me you should burn...so full of love, but thats the fruit of spiritual adultery. repent.
>>535587383>So did Elijahno, Jesus said outright that nobody is in heaven but the one that descended from heaven, himself alone.Elijah also wrote a letter after being relocated.
>>535587437Think how much the quality of the board would improve if we banned every single one of those posters.Not because they are anti Christian, but because they're fucking BORING as hell. It is these low quality BORING unoriginal repetitive posts that are the real sneaky threat to the board. Total boring zero effort retard death.
>>535583113Veneration isn't worship despite what your ziotranny pastor told you
>1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
>>535584637Ah fremasonic satanic inversion. Accuse good for evil and evil for good. Jesus is not Lucifer/Nakash. He is the second person in the Trinity. The highest and holiest of all realites. He is God not Lucifer . Now repent
>>535587273I'm an atheist because of retards like you. If there is a god, he went out to get milk and cigarettes. Although I might side with prots if it gave me an opportunity to break a foot off in your papist ass
>>535587796Isn't the Trinity three equal parts? God the father, God the son, and God the holy Spirit all three in perfect harmony that makes up the God head?
>>535583113Because people were pagan for tens of thousands of years and they instinctually want to worship the divine feminine.
>>535587763>5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.that must have been a huge forehead.
>>535587996>Tens of thousands of years Kek. Human history is only 6k years old >Promoting worshipping womenFaggot beta pagan. God is against it. Try not being an indian sometime.
>>535587936Youre an athiest because youre gay or you hate your father. Youre much less complex than you thinkAnd you think the sad sad feelings in your tum tum are the most significant thing in the universe. And this huffing and puffing lol? No one on earth has ever fucking feared you. No one ever will. Dont embarrass yourself.
>>535587796Based. He is the God of the OT equal to the Father.
>>535588154>Kek. Human history is only 6k years oldHomo sapiens have existed for over 200,000, kiddo. There are fertility goddess statues that are tens of thousands years old.
>>535587965no. that is no what the Holy Bible nor what Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant Church has taught for thousands of years.Refer to the Athanasian Creed, which states that Christians worship "one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance." >abandon Modalism heresies.
>>535588295>historyHes not talking about the existence of man. Hes talking about written documentation dumbass. History doesnt exist without documentation.
>>535587427We pray to Saints to intercede for us. There are numerous examples of this in scripture. They are glorified but the Lord for their sacrifices, and they are literally near the Lord. That is why Mary is special. God in heaven chose the most pure woman, a 14 year old (or so) virgin who was raised in the seat of holiness of her day, being brought up in the temple as her parents Joachim and Ana had long passed away, to be the conduit through which the Son of God would enter the world. It is also Mary who convinced Jesus to perform his first public miracle, at the wedding of Cana. Her prayers are ceaseless, and second to none, hence why she is venerated as higher in honor than the Cherubim, and more glorious behind comparison with the Seraphim. Hence, she is the Queen-mother of Heaven, but the Grace of God.
>>535588418Which is why I said it was instinctual. Everyone on this site is a retard with terrible reading comprehension and critical thinking.
>>535588295Says who?>Le secular scientist jews and indiansKek.
>>535587695This
You know Jesus can pray to the Father on your behalf, right? You do realize that Jesus is God and that he would be above Mary in all things?
>>535583286She was 12 years old. He's sick.
>>535588427>We pray to Saints to intercede for us.1 Timothy 25For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. >Hence, she is the Queen-mother of HeavenJeremiah 4416 “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, 21 “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? 22 When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. 23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”
Cause they hate Jesus.Jesus Christ is God.God is Jesus Christ.There is only one God and his name is Jesus Christ.The christians cut him up like a cake into mum, dad, whoever else and the neighbours dog cause they hate Jesus Christ.The jews deny God Jesus Christ and instead say 150 names of the devil.The muslims deny God Jesus Christ and say allah instead cause they worship the devil.It is always about hating the one true God whos name is Jesus Christ.
>>535583113why do european christians worship jewish god is more apt question
>>535587297We're just making up fanfiction now and hiding behind "tradition" to make it real
>>535583113Because Catholicism is the "whore of babylon", and appeased every pagan proclivity that it could. For heaven's sake, they have a "saint" that you pray to when you're looking for your keys. And you know when theyre far from the Churchs authority, Catholics revert to Maryism.Just look at Our Lady of Gaudalupe, the most famous icon of Mary in Mexico (and America, by now). Her cloak looks like a labia and shes literally standing on top of Jesus
>>535584916Did you know that Ishtar is literally the goddess of trannies?
>>535589174Ishtar is a fertility Goddess and is not related to trannies. But it is typically upstream of child sacrifice where it is present.
>>535583873Reminder that Catholics removed the second commandment which says not to make idols and not to bow to idols.
>>535589165That is angel not Jesus. The Lady of Guadalupe is over 500 years. The average cactus tilda canvas last only 20 years. All protestants are hell bound since they deny the church and deny the sacraments given by Jesus himself. 500 years of prot shit and you have women bishops, trans pastors, greedy kike ministers like Kenneth copeland.
>>535589323Ishtar is androgyn, fertility goddess by day, god of war by night.
>>535586913Kneeling before statues and icons of her, praying to her sounds, and reciting mantras to her sounds a lot like worship to me. >b-but muh venerationI don't really care about your doublespeak.
>>535587796Your bastard "Yahweh" is neither God nor is he Good.
>>535589525You bastard self can go to hell. Remember no one goes to hell by mistake, faggot.I denounce the talmud. Do you?
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>>535583113Because babylonian Ishtar/ Egyptian isis mystery cult...
>>535589525It's interesting. El was the chief god of the pantheon. Yahweh was described as a member of his court but as the patron deity of Jerusalem. Eventually Yahweh was syncretized with El and eventually became the chief deity. >>535589323>https://books.google.com/books?id=6Zw-AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA65#v=onepage&q&f=falseHer priests crossdressed and had gay sex as part of worshiping her. Literally a tranny cult.
>>535583113Mary is the woman God itself choose to gave birth to his son
>>535583113so you're a protestant and don't like "mary worship"?ok, here's a pasta just for you. >"why do you worship mary"catholics / orthodox don't do that, they ask mary to pray for them jesus says >"Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."-James 5:16>"why make statues of her, aren't those idols"images of mary and the saints are no differant from drawings or photos of your family members that you have at home. an idol is a false god, nobody is saying mary is a god >"why do you bow down to it and kiss it"it's a show of respect for those people, i can bow to your wife to kiss her hand, that does not mean i'm worshipping her >"god says not to make images of things that are in heaven"he also says to make golden statues of angels and put them on the arc of the covenant. also he says not to make any image of living things, 'any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below'. i don't see you objecting to drawings / statues / videos of animals. so clearly it's not the statue / image itself you have a problem with, it's the act of "worship">"sure, but i would object to those if they were being worshiped"well mary and the saints are not being worshipped part 1/2
>>535590296>"how so, don't you pray to them"yes, if by pray you mean "ask" them>"this is archaic speech, 'pray' doesn't mean that anymore"maybe by your defitions, in bulgarian for example it still does. either way you are the one who is making up the meaning of words. if you want to use a definition of "pray" where it's "to god only" then sure, catholics / orthodox then do not "pray" to mary and the saints, but they do still ask them to pray for them, as jesus tells us to >"but hold on, i don't ask my dead family members to pray for me, they're dead"the saints (and mary) have miracles attributed to them, thus proving that god is listening to their prayers, if you don't believe the miracles that's up to you but yes, if your family members are not cannonised as saints there'd be no reason to ask them to pray for you >"but you do every act of worship, how is that not worship"the act of worship is having faith / trust / belief that something is godanything else is out of respect>"aren't some of those icons / statues made from gold, that's just like the golden calf"new jerusalem will be made of gold, there is nothing wrong with gold per se>"jesus never specifically commanded this"there's lots of things jesus didn't specifically command, that doesn't mean they're automatically bad >"what about that necromancy stuff"in the bible there are times the robes of jesus were touched and it healed people etc, in a similar way there are miracles attributed to items of saints. the power is not from the item itself / robes of jesus, it's from god by grace by virtue of the faith / trust a person has in god part 2/2
>>535583440jesus's Y chromosome comes from the fatherand he wasn't a talmudic kabbalist either (books which weren't written until 600 years after Christ)>"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 48-49he's not "a jew", he's god
>>535583113Seems like Christians were tricked into idolatry. Thoughts otherwise?
>>535583528>"jews are god's chosen people"- "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16>"you worship the same judeo-christian god"- "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."- 1 John 2:23>"then what god do jews worship?"- "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."- John 8:44- "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."- Revelation 3:9>"c'mon man, that was just those jews that killed jesus, not all jews for all time"- "And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”"- Matthew 27:25>"bless israel!"israel is the church, not a blaspheming republic- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
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>>535587122>"“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."- Matthew 18:6
>>535588295if pagans worship goddess of fertility, and atheists believe in survival of the fittesthow come christian women are the most fertile
>>535590296Because >Hail, Mary, full of grace,>the Lord is with thee.>Blessed art thou amongst women>and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.>Holy Mary, Mother of God,>pray for us sinners,>now and at the hour of our death. >Amen.Which only has two lines asking for intercession and the other five being literally worship through praise as in >Our Father who art in heaven, >hallowed be thy name.>Thy kingdom come.>Thy will be done>on earth as it is in heaven. which also prefaces the request with praise. Your also ignoring catholic eschatology where Mary is claimed to be holding back the wrath of Christ as if she had power over him in some way. In other words to give her the status of deity within the eschatology. >an idol is a false godAn idol is a depiction of a deity. It is not the deity itself. Sorry but we're not going to go down this retarded route of classic kike misrepresentation where they reduced other groups to "worshiping wood and stone" rather than the idol being an interface with the spirit being worshiped. Rather what catholics do is identical. Of course you don't worship the statue. No one ever did. It was worshiping the spirit that statue represented as an interface. In this case the idol or icon (graven image) is being used as an interface to worship the deity that object represents and to contain it in the worshiper's presence. >it's a show of respect for those people, i can bow to your wife to kiss her handAnd I would beat your ass for doing such.
>>535583516that snake can make "Hallucinations" >What monotheism has accomplished.For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
>>535588538Oh. Show me proof of the idea that anyone before writing considered anything divine.
>>535590296>he also says to make golden statues of angels and put them on the arc of the covenant. also he says not to make any image of living things, 'any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below'. i don't see you objecting to drawings / statues / videos of animals. so clearly it's not the statue / image itself you have a problem with, it's the act of "worship"The exact writing of the 2nd commandment is >4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;In other words these are instructions not to make images of figures for the purpose of worship. The classical animistic world which classical Judaism arose from in the 6th and 7th centuries BC had its deities being spirits which either inhabited the heavens, the abyss (water), or the underworld (under or within the earth). It's interesting to note that Saul consulting the witch of endor alludes to this exactly as she claims to see "gods coming out of the earth." The commandment in whole forbids the making of icons (graven or engraved images) or idols for the purpose of worship or veneration >Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve themIf doing one such act it is violation of the entire commandment when referring to basic sentential logic as the statement's structure is>(negation A) conjuction (negation B)That equivalent to >negation (A disjunction B)In other words if you bow without serving, you are violating the commandment. If you bow and serve you are violating the commandment. If you serve you are violating the commandment.
>>535590296>they ask mary to pray for themthat people cant pray.>-James 5:16they are to pray for each other while being ALIVE.>no differant from drawings or photos of your family membersbullshit, you hold the saints and mary way higher than your mortal next of kin. you pray to mary, you dont pray TO family.> i can bow to your wife to kiss her handyou are bowing to spirits>make golden statues of angels and put them on the arc of the covenanthow many people ever saw the angels of the ark? only the high priest. was the high priest allowed to bow and pray to the angels?>well mary and the saints are not being worshippedjust because you say so doesnt make it worship. this is talmudic pilpul of the highest form.>yes, if by pray you mean "ask" themthe hail mary and rosary are not "asking", they are repeated prayers like the pagans do, thinking they are heard for their many words.> if your family members are not cannonised as saints there'd be no reason to ask them to pray for youwho decides who is a saint and where does it say to pray to saints? the church doesnt have that authority to declare who are saints and who are not. satan can work miracles too.>the act of worship is having faith / trust / belief that something is godyes, and you have faith that mary and the saints can do specific things for you, which makes it spiritual adultery. its condemned by God over and over again. Jerusalem was destroyed because of it.>there's lots of things jesus didn't specifically commandyes, because he speaks to people that know THE LAW, both the ceremonial and moral law. the ceremonial law prohibits to contact spirits and the dead. its on the same level as moloch worship.>in the bible there are times the robes of jesus were touched and it healed people etc, in a similar way there are miracles attributed to items of saints.has nothing to do with necromancy, its a direct miracle of God and has nothing to do with the object. relics are useless in that regard.
>>535591786*thatdead
>>535590296>>535591495As the catholic ontology and eschatology maintains Mary is residing in heaven and thus you are forbidden to make an image of her and either to bow down before it or serve the image. You can have embossments, decorations, and so on. But you cannot use these in worship. Not only have catholics elevated Mary to the status of deity, they also create images to her and both bow to and serve those images. They had made Mary into a deity and worship her by their own admission within their eschatology. >if you want to use a definition of "pray" where it's "to god only" then sure, catholics / orthodox then do not "pray" to mary and the saints, but they do still ask them to pray for them, as jesus tells us to Paul states to "confess to eachother." He does not say to pray to saints. Perhaps we can see the confessional to the priest of you talking with your father, mother, brother, cousin, or friend about your sins and you both then praying to god for each other is allowed, the instruction to pray to dead men is absolutely not found there. This is purely catholic syncretism with the imperial cult where men deified after death such as the "divine caesars" were turned into deities after death. Changing "deity" go "agios" (saint) is entirely just double speak. It's interesting as the saints (agios) in the context of the epistles are referring to christian who are still alive. They are being called agios because they believe and are following the teachings. Not because they died or because catholics believe they had witness some "miracle" alleged to come from them and the syncretic religion called roman catholicism decided to run with the old Roman belief in deification.
>>535587122yes, because they tolerate jews and faggots. Any church that does is useless
>>535590296>i can bow to your wife to kiss her handno, you can't
>>535583113>>535583873Zechariah was a high Essene (of Zadok) whom had recovered the position taken away from Zadok by the Hasmoneans, by the help of Juba II whom briefly married the widow of Herod Alexander which was Glaphyra. Her son Tigranes with Alexander went on to be king of Armenia, because Herod Archelaus had killed Glaphyra for speaking out on him forcing her to divorce Juba II to remain a puppet of the Herod family. Thus also to "annul" the succesive position after Zechariah of John the Baptist & then Jesus as high priest of Zadok, Israel & Oannes.tldr;Jews sided with Rome & Edessa against their own internal enemies, only to be stomped for waging a roman-casualty civil war in roman occupied Judea.
>>535583393But he wasn’t really god, right? Or are you saying God was in heaven and in Mary’s womb at the same time?Or did he take a break from heaven to hang out as a human for a while?And what’s with him talking to himself while he was on the cross?
Papists are pagan idolators. They lie and gaslight about everything they do. Papacy is the seat of the anti-Christ. Mary doesn't hear your prayers, she is separate from her body and her spirit is before God in Heaven, she is not omniscient. If you get a response after praying to Mary it because a demon interceded so that you continue in your sinful idolatry.
>>535583113To make prots seethe
>>535587028Jesus took plenty of peoples requests. Why not pray to a roman centurion? >>535587297>tradition>made up many centuries after she died >>535596942>People point out idolatry >it can only be the protsPapist are really trained to hate prots. Funny how they never focus after muslims, jews, or anyone else.
>>535598032*focus on
