Trump has ordered the USCIS to adopt a new policy effective immediately that requires ALL Temporary Visa holders to first return to their home countries FIRST and then apply for a green card in the US there!This means that MILLIONS of shitjeets will be forced to leave the country and potentially wait for DECADES "stranded" in their home countries until they get approved for a Green Card!
>>535590528At least it doesn’t cancel their application all together by leaving like it does now. They should be thankful.
>top scientists in our universities Chang the communist spy, Rajesh the 70 IQ retard on a fraud visa, or Juan the spic who picks grapes and somehow justified a work visa?
but i thought india was such an amazing country? why are they mad they have to go back
>>535590528there are 10 million H1Bs in america, and the trump administration is pushing for more despite widespread unemploymentyou can cope all you like but this will do nothing.we just yet the jeets
>>535590528>This means that MILLIONS of shitjeets will be forced to leave the country and potentially wait for DECADES "stranded" in their home countries until they get approved for a Green Card!
>>535590528EAT SHIT OH WAIT THAT'S CANNIBALISM IN YOUR CASE LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>535590528Wait since when is there no US embassy in Russia? It's not NK.
>>535590732>Wait since when is there no US embassy in Russia?Since around 2023. McDonalds pulled out too, but I repeat myself.
>>535590528>no no really he hates indians and jews and niggers we swear!right sure thing
>>535590528What do I believe
>>535590787Kek. Walked right into that one.
Doesn't this really just get rid of illegal immigrants? If you have a work visa then you're entitled to stay in the United States under that alone, so you'd just have to take a day or two to fly back home, submit your application, then fly back
>>535590528most H1Bs are no longer necessary because we will soon have a 40 million supply of 2nd class Venezuelan and Cuban american citizens
>>535590528Finally.
>>535590852H1B is a work visa anon
>>535590798thiscope harder, trumptards
>>535590528>davidovnot ur countrynot ur ruleswe don't serve foreignersgo back to ur shithole and dictate ur mother
>>535590852Green card processing can take years anon. If they have to go home to apply they’re out of the country for years. You’re given what is called a “priority date” before they start processing your shit. For jeets their priority dates are decades long before they come up.
I've had the misfortune of working with jeets and I thought they already had to leave to renew h1b and shit. I remember them bitvhing about that. but it didn't have to be home country most went to Canada to do it
>>535590528yeah indians should go found billion dollar companies and hire indians in india
It would be very funny if they did this and productivity wasn't impacted at all. The jeets can even work from home (India).
>>535590798These anti invasion moves and their impacts are very much real, your main concern should be that these rules are not laws and can be easily turned back with executive orders from the next president.
>>535590985I don't think H1B visas are invalidated by leaving the country or applying for a green card, though?It seems like a mild inconvenience that is being made out to be more than it is.
>>535591078self bump but rereading my own post yeah maybe that's the change. home country now not just a jump into Canada for a bit
>>535590528>Top scientistsDoes he know the 3 main pillars of pajeetism?Because they are Lies, Scam, PooAny Indian who claims to be a doctor or scientists needs his credentials quadruple checked half of these doctors that come here got a degree in Mumbai university, practiced in a Mumbai hospitalFor a year or two and then fucking came here claiming to be a normal doctor and then just like that they make six figures
>>535590528TACOnothing ever happens.
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>>535590528That's what the law says. It's designed that way for a reason: because H1B is supposed to be used to fill positions in rare worker deserts temporarily. It is not supposed to be used to bring in skllled labor from abroad. Those with exceptional skill are supposed to be using other visa programs that come with actual incentives and aren't just indentured servitude programs, because we actually want exceptional talent. That's the brain drain and it's a good thing. Using H1b to fill positions for which qualified local labor exists but now you can pay a foreigner less is not its intended purpose. The green card loophole is the primary "incentive" for the laborers coming in through H1b to undercut local labor costs. So remove that incentive and the abuse should decrease naturally. If you are an exceptional talent, then you should apply for a visa as a specialist in your field. Such visas come with all sorts of perks, because we actually want you. You should want this for yourself and not want to be a slave to whichever corporation hires you.If you are applying for an H1b visa, it's not because of your exceptional talent; it's because the employer wants to exploit your labor in order to undercut local wages. You should not want to do this to a country you intend to live in.
>>535590528>Think of the heckin' scientists!I had to interact with bureaucracy often enough to know that anyone of actual relevance will get fast paced through the system, kek.But the average street shitter who contributed nothing of value that couldn't have been done by any random unemployed American will be stranded in India, that's true.And that's a good thing.
>>535590528"And if we look at Individual Countries-"Well, how about we don't?
>>535590985Are they implying that they have to remain there while it's processing?
Why they doing this? What changed?
>>535590528where does it say that they cant still have a temp visa?its prob just easier to process if you do it through a foreign country
>>535591254That's why I think H1B should be expensive. Either pay them like 150% of what an American would be paid or tax the absolute fuck out of it.
>>535590646>Juan the spic who picks grapes and somehow justified a work visa?At least he is actually doing something useful, the other two are actively harmful
>>535590705It is honestly the best thing he has done since the ICE raids
>>535590787Kek
>>535590528It’s nothing. H1B is a temporary workers visa. If you have one you have an end date. If you want to extend that end date you can. If you want to become a permanent resident you have to back and apply. You can’t be both a temporary worker and permanent resident. Words mean things.
the actual change for anyone who wants more info than that faggot OPs twatter kvetchhttps://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/us-citizenship-and-immigration-services-will-grant-adjustment-of-status-only-in-extraordinarythis makes total sense to me now, the jeets would get H1B then try to pop to Canada or Mexico for a quick "adjustment of status" then they'd have the green card and be here for good.
>>535590528hahahahahago back coolie
>>535591496H1b's are directly asked to declare their intent to leave when they are done on their applications. Every one of them who got their green card while they were here lied on a federal document.
>>535591636You have to go back now. It's the rules.
>>535591636laws can be changed
>>535590528Lol
>stranded in their home country>stranded
>>535591636It is hilarious that you think no one can tell that you’re an Indian poopeater.
>>535591156>>535591303Full disclosure I am a huwhite leaf here on a visa so I know a bit about it. As it is now this is how the process works for a green card>H1B is double intent visa (work and/or immigration). Not all visas are like this, a TN visa for example is work only.>Once a company agrees to sponsor you for a green card they have to do the PERM process (labor market assessment). Takes about 2 years currently. If your visa expires before this is finished you have to leave.>Next step is adjustment of status application. Once this is filed you can remain in the country on rotating Employment Authorization Documents indefinitely until either approved or rejected.>Once approved there’s a handful of further steps then you have permanent residency So essentially someone on an H1B which I think is only good for something like 5-7 years can remain working here indefinitely as they await green card approval. What this sounds like to me is that you’ll no longer be able to remain indefinitely. If your H1B or other visa expires you have to leave, and not work. Alternatively it could mean you can no longer even apply while in the country, which would be even more hilarious, as they’d be stuck in India for decades. And considering most employers won’t sponsor someone for an employment based green card if they have to wait decades for them, they have effectively halted Indians from getting in.
>>535590528Good, less russians is always good
Back to your loo, poo
>saar ve vaz scientists Over 80% of h1b visa holders work entry level jobs
Years ago I almost moved to the US for a h1b job, with the plan of staying permanently with a green card. At the time the whole process looked like a sure deal for a danish citizen. Got cold feet the last minute and declined the job offer. Dodged a bullet... would have been a total shitshow.
>>535592545The US immigration system is the most difficult one I have had to deal with. I did a work term in Europe as well and it was as simple as proving I had money, insurance, and no plans to stay past two years. That being said, more people want to move here than basically anywhere else, so they can be difficult if they want.
>>535590630>They should be thankfulTimmy you should be grateful for the top talent coming here to actually do important work that natives are not capable of doing. Wanted your youth watching saved by the bell fucking dumb cucks.
>>535590528this is much more significant than most of you realize.H1B only lets you be in the country 6 years, the loophole is that if you apply for a green card you can continue working past those 6 years until the green card is granted, which can take more than 10 years.
>>535592645Timmy means victory.
>>535592645Take the poo to the loo, saar
>>535590528Until ICE doesnt march into Silicon valley corporate HQs (not to mention hotels) all this is bullshit.
Shouldn't have used H1Bs for 7/11 workers if you didn't want the gravy train to end you stupid fucking jeets.
Nice source, faggot.
>>535591433he's making people sick by handling food while unclean
>>535591433>gets poop particles all over the grapes>trashes his neighborhood>public nuisance blasting mariachi music>"VIVA LA RAZA GRINGO!">kills an 18 year old while drunk driving>sends all of his pay back to MEHICO>drives down wages>probably sells drugs and steals cat converters>shits out 7 kids in a one bedroom apartment>overloads public assistance and healthcareY-yeah. Not actively harmful in the slightest.
>>535591254>rare worker desertsThere's no such fucking thing, we have our own talent. KYS FAGGOT
>>535592964>sends all of his pay back to MEHICORemittances should be taxed at 50%.
>>535591254This is the truth. If you’re so talented in your field you should be eligible for an O1 visa, or an EB1 green card. But most jeets are just scab labor:
>>535590528I expect Trump to TACO this in the coming days.
>>535590528fuck off we are full
>>535590528BROWNS OUT OF WHITE COUNTRIESGO BACK TO YOUR SHITHOLESRAUS, RAUS!
>>535590528why don't all the top talented smartest people of all history spite blumpf and btfo him by staying in india and creating a company with their massive amount of talent that they definitely have
The poop must flow
>>535590877would rather have them than jeets anyway. just in time for famine too!
>>535590528I'm confused, I thought to apply for a greencard you needed someone to advocate for you, whether that's your spouse or an employer. if you need to return home to apply and it takes years to process, then doesn't that mean 0 employment based immigration as no company is going to advocate for an employee they won't get for years? Isn't the whole point of immigration to steal the best and brightest from competing nations?
>>535592181>If your H1B or other visa expires you have to leave, and not work.But regardless of a green card application, the H1B visa can be renewed, right?
>>535592645>important work that the natives are not doingCreating shit people don't need and scamming our elders our of their retirement money? Thanks a lot, Shitdeep
>>535593526No. An H1B can only be renewed one time, for a total of 6 years. It’s initially approved for 3 years with the option of a one time renewal for 3 years. You can apply for another H1B after, but you have to leave the country for (I think) a 1 year cool off period. And even then it’s a lottery so no guarantee you’ll get it again.
>>535590528Lets hope Trump doesn't chicken out again. If anything, revoking jeet green-cards and citizenship should follow this. >RussiansMost Russians either already have green cards or citizenship. Especially the ones at universities>>535592645Vast majority of jeet migrants are doing entry level jobs, taking out loans to run gas stations, or driving for uber jeets. We don't need jeets for any of this. The only people who want jeets are major corporations who use them to drive down wages and living standards by saturating the labor supply.
>>535590528This is typical gaslighting. Look at the actual numbers and what he does behind the scenes. Several hundred jeets less is insignificant when he still allows the majority and tries to hire them for him and his corporate parasites.
>>535590528>SAAAAR! HOW DARE YOU NOT LET US BRILLIANT ENGINEERS MAKE YOUR COUNTRY BETTER INSTEAD OF OUR OWN! kek
To be given an H1-B VISA license, the company/corporation has to prove the job thry want it for can't be done by a US citizen.
>>535592645yes, what are we going to do without doordash drivers and 7-11 workers?we surely will collapse
Corporations are not your friend. And they don't care about you, or your community. The bottom line is money. Nobody gives a fuck. And they will skirt the law to replace you, the moment they can, if it means they can make a quick buck.
>>535590528Fake and gay, the backlog of applications is so huge that this does nothing to change the amount of migrants coming in.
>>535595027"Your honor, my company wants to deliver food to every citizen in the state. And there just aren't enough drivers in this state to deliver each one of them food. Thus, we need 1 MILLION H1-B JEETS."
>>535594726>Several hundred jeets lessEven that isn't happening, the amount coming in isn't decreasing.If you are letting in the maximum legal amount, and there are millions trying to get in, tightening the rules doesn't change the final number.
>top scientists in our universitiesMay we see them?
>>535590528>HAPPENING!! TRUMP SHUTS DOWN H1B --> GREENCARD LOOPHOLE! SHITJEETS THREATEN TO RIOTNICE. A HUGE WIN. >(((David-son))) is upset that his slave pajeets would have to leave.
>"Your honor, my tech company needs an inifinite amount of workers. But there are a finite/set amount of citizens in my the state(s) we operate in. Therefore, my company needs 1 MILLION H1-B JEETS.
>>535590646>>top scientists in our universities>Chang the communist spy, >Rajesh the 70 IQ retard on a fraud visa, >or Juan the spic who picks grapes and somehow justified a work visa?THIS.This anon is correct.
>"Your honor, I can't find anybody in this state that wants to work for 1 dollar an hour, without any benefits.">"Therefore, I need 1 MILLION H1-B JEETS. Since no US citizen in this state is willing to work for 1 dollar an hour."
>>535594954Do you know how they "prove" that? There isn't some agent checking your inbox for applications and going through them to see if any are qualified. If the position stays open for one whole year, then that is proof enough for the government. All you have to do to get an indentured servant in place of a citizen worker is not answer any emails for one whole year. As soon as the position has been open for an entire year and you haven't yet filled it, the government believes this is proof that no one local can do the job,Because obviously if someone local could do the job you would just have hired them, right?
>>535590528>>535590630>>535590646trump already showed the world that US is empty, and needs chinks to come in to build factories for them cause they can no longer do it.And US isn't using the dual partnership licenses deal the chinks used. Nor lack copyright right laws the chinks have that means competition from others.It's JOEVER
>>535590646Yeah, those people exist and make up a portion of the system. Just blowing up the system still doesn't seem like a good idea. You can fix it to target specific people for removal. Maybe not the Trump administration I guess. But it's possible to fix some things and not just destroy everything.
Out, out and gtfo of North America and Europe and Australia.OUT, no more access for pakijeets, out.
>>535597755Every single one of them that doesn't actually qualify for a specialist visa needs to go back. No one is buying the "supremely talented" BS anymore.
>>535590528IVOTEDFORTHIS
>>535590528>founders of billion dollar companiesLet me guess, they snuck their way onto the corporate ladder and then gave their cousing a "Founder" job title?
>>535590528
>>535590798
>>535598153>top scientists>founders of billion dollar companies
>>535598857>>535598153
>>535598072I don't know what all the categories are, but it makes sense to treat the actual skilled workers differently than the guys pouring coffee. Grandfathering in the existing people would be fair, but I don't know if the system could handle it. Your immigration was never as out of control as here so maybe.
>>535590528This is Trumps admin and more over the jews sacrificing jeets to appease the populace at large for overthrowing Massie. End fucking of. How does that make you feel poos?That one congressional seat opposed to the Epstein Class is worth throwing all you disgusting shit covered monkeys back to into the rape jungles on India?Feel good?Want to eat shit and drink piss to own the chuds you fucking stinky garbage swamp niggers? Eat my ass xD
>>535590528If they're founders of billion dollar companies I'm sure they can afford a few milllion for the fast-tracked gold trump visa.These people exploit the backlog to stay here even longer.
>>535590528and next time a dem gets elected, they will sign an executive order to import no less than 5 million of them immediately out of spite
>>535590651all brown people everywhere hate living around other brown people, so their genius idea is to ALL move to the exact same place so they can... continue living around each other. ever notice how nobody hates niggers more than other niggers?
>>535594119Thanks for bringing back my smile :)
>>535592964Maybe west coast is different, but here in the midwest they just sort of do all the labor jobs and live peacefully in suburbs. They're unironically the "working class". What is a problem is jeets working as cashiers, which is meant to be an entry level job for teenagers. The idea we'd need to bring in foreigners from a country made out of literal shit to be cashiers is indefensible.
>>535590528Thank you Trump. I actually hate them so much it's unreal.
>>535590985I don’t understand. We are forcing jeets back to India and making them wait decades to even begin to apply for citizenship? How is this a bad thing?
>>535590528>>535590528>>535590528>> NOOOOO >> WE >> SCAMMED >> WHY >> ARE >> YOU >> NOT >> LETTING >> US >> SCAM LOL LMAO
>>535590528It's the American>poojeet>AI pipeline. Replace Americans with migrants and then have Americans support replacing migrants with AI. Jeets were needed to rellace American intellectuals of European heritage and replace them with this clearly inefficient "intellectual" labor force because they have no legal chance of stay nor any blood/flesh on the line for the country historically, so they're easier to get rid of or chase away. American intellectuals used to stand their ground. Now Americans, completely ostracized from such positions, will gladly see the poo flushed. This happened with blue collar Americans and latinos in the 20th century, but the current pipeline is more identitarian and foundational for the country.
>>535601049For a lot of them it isn't a bad thing. But having people view your immigration system as arbitrary and unpredictable will make the very talented people with options less likely to apply. So even more of the pool is useless scammers because no one else is desperate enough to roll the dice when the rules might change tomorrow.Which is only good if you're some BRICS shill that is hyper concerned about the global south or whatever. If you're a nationalist then you want to rob talent from poor countries to help your own country. And you don't give a shit that it quite possibly ends up hurting those other nations to have some of their most talented but least loyal people poached.
>>535590528Bye
>>535601049Did I say it’s a bad thing?
>>535590528Dude, they don't have decades. If you don't unblock the Hormuz, they don't have two years.
>>535590528>Trump has ordered the USCIS to adopt a new policy effective immediately that requires ALL Temporary Visa holders to first return to their home countries FIRST and then apply for a green card in the US there!He already flipped on this after the jews told him he can't do it. Better luck next time.
To the Salt Mines!!
>>535590787Fuggg, GOTTEM'
>>535593511immigration categories are basically disjoint. your IR-5 applicant (an H1B parent of an anchor baby) is nothing alike your an EB1 applicant (a genius Swiss researcher)some can be self-petitioned, others can't.
>>535605484kek, im drunk but you get the idea
>>535590528>>535590732Displaying gay rainbow stuff is considered propaganda and a criminal offense in Russia - Biden's russophobe handlers used this as an excuse to shut the Moscow embassy down without officially closing anything. So the US state department has decreed that now all Russians must go to Warsaw, Poland with their super-bloodthirsty culture for embassy appointments and interviews. A Schengen visa is now needed to get to the temporary Russian embassy, and Poland outright denies all Schengen requests to Russians. To get there, a Russian citizen has to get a Schengen visa to a third country and then travel to Warsaw from there. The EU has also recently nuked multi-entry Schengen visas for any Russian citizen seeking to travel in Europe.If you are a dissident trying to flee, a journalist critical of the Kremlin, or just a regular citizen looking to immigrate your only option to leave the country is being squeezed as tightly as possible. Trump hasn't rolled any of this back btw, if you're wondering where his allegiance lies (to jews who want to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe). Turkey is next after Iran, Belarus will likely be next after Ukraine, do Poles really think they won't be on the chopping block? They're the dumbest of the slavic nations without question, happy to be used as one arm of a gay op lmao
>>535599020>Grandfathering in the existing people would be fairFuckin' Leafs
>>535590528>MY WARK IS IMPORTANT SAR
Annual Blacklisting: The University Grants Commission (UGC)—India’s apex higher education regulator—regularly updates and publishes a nationwide list of "fake universities". The UGC actively updates this list (over 30 institutions have been flagged).I go to the website and of course it's down for maintenance.
>>535590528>MILLIONS of shitjeets will be forcedUntil TACO tells them not to worry about it by Monday morning.
>jeets seethingThen I am happy.
>>535599749That's because they haven't metastized yet. once the mestizos metastize you'll be like New Mexico. You probably think that 7 children in a 1 bedroom apartment is at minimum an exaggeration. I assure you it's not.
>>535593511>Isn't the whole point of immigration to steal the best and brightest from competing nations?Even if that's how it worked (it doesn't) it's still shit. By poaching their alleged best and brightest we are ensuring their countries remain forever shit holes that will be a drain on the world and continue to export their diarrhea "people". We need those wonderful sweet hard working geniuses to stay in place and fix their shitholes. We need to educate our youth. It's fucking simple and people try and pretend it's not (Jews).
>>535592645Faggot shitskin subhuman GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY BEFORE I FUCKEN FRAG YOU, no one neeXs your feces eating rapist shit tier talent as hack doctors and retard engineers. Get the fuck out dothead cockwad youre gonna get hung soon by white posses
>>535608335I don't even want what they consider their best and brightest, they're still worse than any homegrown best and brightest. They also degrade and deteriorate our culture. Now they brazenly claim America has no culture forgetting the constitution exists, first of all. Our constitution is what separates us from the rest of the turd world. That's a uniquely American thing, it's integral to our culture of homesteading, pioneering, and enterprising.
>>535590798Go tell your left-wing buddies that so they don't freak out.
>>535590528Lol, its a way to trick them into going back, their Green card app will get denied and theyll be stuck in india forever, told you shit eaters you'll be going back. Better go back while you still can
>>535590528That guy is a retard ragebaiter, obviously Russians would be avle to get refugee status
>>535590528I imagine businesses friendly with Trump will have their employees fast tracked if they are important.
>forced to leave>float for decades in the Buttrat vatThey'll just disappear into the ether -- as they already do, and will do in orders of magnitude higher numbers, if all other avenues for invasion are closed off to them. When you back the jeets already in -- many and untold millions -- they will use their stations to ensconce themselves. You have jeets infecting at all government levels: Even if such a proposal passed muster, were implemented, and were upheld after November 2026 (somewhere between Buckley's and snowflake's chance), it would turn the jeet diarrhoeaspera into an even more cohesive whole that would make AIPAC look like an "America first" patriotic entity!>The Thunderbox Dome: a million jeets enter; no jeet EVER leaves>henceforth, no jeet will be removed from human biomes unless done so forcibly
>>535609249>Russians that have to travel to Warsaw because their US embassy is closed on account of the gay flags will obviously get refugee statusThe EU is working hard on a blanket Schengen ban for the whole country btw
>>535606189>Poles really think they won't be on the chopping block?They're dumbBeing an US ally also comes with hierarchy (more like caste) roughly listed below. Basically, if US have to throw some allies under the bus, the priority goes from below to top>Special level: Greatest AllyIsrael. Self explanatory>A level: "Brothers in blood" AllyAustralia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom.>A-B level: above B level, but not worth A levelJapan.Netherlands.>B level: "close friend" AllyBelgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden. >B-C level: above C level, but not worth B levelFinland, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, SpainSingapore, South Korea, Taiwan.>C: "normal" AllyEx-commie countries, ex-Warsaw Pact EuropeUS-friendly countries>D: strangersrest of the world.>E: enemyChina, Iran, North Korea, Russia. And client states tied to these countries...Power gap...>F: Traitorous, backstabbing, two-faced opportunists.Middle eastIndiaPakistanTurkey
>>535607666>Digits Thread over, truth revealed
>>535590528You lost, tranny
>top scientistsIf an institution becomes jeet infested, "top" becomes a byword for left-side Bell Curve subnormals.
>>535590528Unconstitutional. Federal court must strike it down.
>>535592645Ok, well see ya later Sukdeep.
>>535591254Yessssss my fellow Amerigolem. We must make sure that all zoomers have absolutely no chance to ever launch a career after college. The moment a position opens it must be immediately filled by a foreigner so that all zoomers can eat shit like the people who are replacing them.By doing this we make sure that no zoomer ever tries to become the exceptional talent we want and thus we will have to import more foreigners.Death to Zoom Zooms!
>>535590528sell everything and fuck off and live like a king at your home country. especially when you are a billionaires and millionaire. fiere all workers and cause a crisis in america. Write on there termination notice to thank trump.
>>535590528>it is important for the country to be genetically replaced. Weird flex.
>>535590646Jeets are so goddamned repulsive they actually make me wish for the days when Texas was "only" flooded with illegal spics.
>>535590528>SHITJEETS THREATEN TO RIOT!Where?
>>535597755>fix some things and not just destroy everything.everything has been destroyed, past tense. now is the time of fixing, a big part of that will be by casting out the garbage
>>535590528>SHITJEETS THREATEN TO RIOT!I dare a foreign poopmann insurgent to even try.
>>535599020are you even white?
>>535590528>DavidovEarly lifer mad his great replacement plans being foiled
>>535590528I don’t understand how anyone who isn’t a jeet or stands to profit off of them can tell you with a straight face that the US, with all our top world class universities churning out thousands of graduates annually, doesn’t produce enough scientists and engineers. It’s the ultimate shitlib reality denial, worse than tranny logic.
