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Why are people on 4chan often so negative about 4chan? Do people who don't really use the website just come here to bitch about it, or is there really a large percentage of users who just come here out of habit while despising it? There's definitely things I dislike about this site, but at the end of the day it remains to me a fragment of the old internet and is fun to waste time on.
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If an imageboard with the same amount of popularity as 4chan sprung up, and it lacked just some of the problems people have with this site, then almost everyone would jump shit immediately. That's why people are so negative about 4chan, there is no true alternative.
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>>2182277
I wasn't around for the first few years but wasn't moot just some disgruntled teenager who hated the rules on SA?
Has really no one tried to make a 4chan alternative?
I know there's 8 but the "create your own board" system seems like it would recreate some of the problems of Reddit.
I've never been on shit like Lain or 420.
Are they just too focused on certain topics? I'm legitimately interested in this.
My formatting is all retarded because I'm being caught in the spam filter.
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>>2182274
People are far more likely to express their displeasure than they are to express their pleasure. I like 4chan, I think this site is at a new kind of golden age at the moment.
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>>2182277
>there is no alternative to 4chan
Not even remotely true. The major reason people don't go to almost any other imageboard is because "they're too slow!!!11" despite quality generally being much higher. People who accept using their dumpster fire of a board over the same one on a different imageboard prefer quantity over quality.
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>>2182274
4chan users users are like battered housewives.
Even if you provide anons with an immensely better board and experience they will always return to suck the dick of the fat laughing kike who constantly shits on them.
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>>2182285
>Has really no one tried to make a 4chan alternative?
More than enough (e.g. 7chan, AnonIB), but most of them have suffered from the same mistakes in moderation and site management that have been attributed to 4chan.

>the "create your own board" system seems like it would recreate some of the problems of reddit
Indeed it does. For example, there have been frequent issues with the owners of their /b/ and /pol/ boards, which led to the former getting removed from his position due to abuse.
That's why the site had the nickname "freddit" while hotwheels was still in charge of running it.

>Are they just too focused on certain topics?
Both of them fill a certain niche of topics. Lainchan specializes in hacker culture and techbros, 420chan features several kinds of boards but all somewhat related to drug use (as well as the semi-popular /wooo/ – Professional Wrestling board, which is related to the 8ch board of the same name).
As >>2182372 has hinted at, there's just no reason to provide boards to discuss anything possible (because everyone eventually returns to a large catch-all site like 4chan or reddit for that purpose anyway) if you can provide a distinct selection of boards that actually will find some use and not just gather dust.
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>>2182364
If by 'golden' you mean piss age then i agree.
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>>2182364
>new golden age
What boards do you go to?
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>>2182399
/soc/, /mu/, /lgbt/ and /co/ almost exclusively. And of course sometimes here. It feels good to see this site finally start to come back to its senses and /pol/ getting btfo. Hopefully /pol/ will continue to die and Hiro can delete it.
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>>2182274
Because most people here have been exposed to the worst of the worst of humanity. /r9k/ a few years back was full of people sharing stories about dealing with abuse and mental illness, today it's full of misogyny. /b/ used to be a hive of super edgy kids posting gore to hide the fact that they have no social life. /pol/ is now the HQ of unironic racists and neo-nazis.

This place has always attracted the misfits who have had to deal with trauma and adversity. When I talk to norms at work and hear them say things like "I've never met anyone who has been arrested" or people who have never had an experience with physical or sexual assault.

It's crazy to me how many people haven't had to deal with stuff like that.
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>>2182404
1/10 made me reply.
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>>2182404
Hey, HEY... don't answer for me.
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>>2182399
/co/, /g/, /po/, /cm/, /toy/, /trv/, /sci/, /qa/, /vip/, /i/, /ic/... and maybe /pol/ and /b/ sometimes. A fair amount of boards, there's a lot of interesting things here.
Even though I hardly use or visit /pol/ these days, I think its current state reminds me of what I used /b/ for a decade ago: misguided raids and silly attempts at trying to be relevant. I can at least appreciate the fun people are having, and there's never been so many people at once engaging in it.
In general, The cultural throughput of this website has never been more intense. Maybe we're not the 'meme factory' anymore, but I think we inherently - that is, even if not relatively - contribute more to internet culture than ever before.
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>>2182414
>/pol/ is now the HQ of unironic racists and neo-nazis.
It was literally always this way tho, even the old politics board, and even the one before that was a far right circle jerk.
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>>2182414
>/r9k/ became /soc/ for depressed and bitter virgins
>/b/ became a porn board that only newfags from facebook visit
>/pol/ became a r/the_donald colony full of literal boomers
This is sad.
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Addicition is a genuine concern and quite a good deal of users suffer from such an issue. Regardless, users are allowed to still enjoy spending their time on this website while still fully(?) recognising its flaws.
>>2182277
Whilst I'd like to imagine this to be true, a portion of the userbase aren't interested in any other imageboards beyond 4chan and are only present here because of the reputation this website's garnered over the years.
4chan sucks the life out of any competition that arises. Activity entices further activity, creating a self feedback loop where (new) users are attracted to 4chan because it holds the largest pre-established userbase and 4chan holds the largest userbase because it keeps attracting (new) users. The only way to survive is to offer something unique that 4chan is incapable of matching, whether that'd be the userbase, the topics that can be discussed, or the website layout itself.
>>2182285
4chan was born not out of anger, but out of curiousity. The goons just saw something the japanese had and they thought "Hey, this could be fun" and went on to host their own. The fact that SomethingAwful lived up to its name was irrelevant to the website's inception, it merely served to push it further after it had established itself.
Alternatives have existed for as long as I remember, they simply never achieve the same leve of popularity as 4chan and eventually fade to time. Nobody here remembers the days of Soviet Russia's shilling.
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4chan isn't really all that bad.
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>>2182470
6/10 here's your (you)
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I thought it was a meme
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>>2182274
Because quality has been on the decline since 2006.
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>>2182484
What 8ch boards are like that? 8ch's /pol/, /tv/, /b/, and /v/ boards are all atrocious from my experience, still better than 4ch's however.
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The sad thing is that 4chan could be better, but there's very little experimentation or change anymore. And when changes are made, the staff never seems to evaluate the result. For example, the replacement with the community of /asp/ (which could have been solved easily by making a separate wrestling board), or the mod's persistence in trying to get race threads to move from /pol/ to /bant/ despite the fact that nobody wants them and they only serve to shit up a good board.

Granted, 4chan used to merely copy innovations from other boards or from third parties. In some sense, a lack of changes may be better in the long run because it means less life sucked out of other imageboards. I see people from /pol/ here all the time complaining about mods' actions against the Christian threads there, and I always tell them to head for the board on 8ch, which is better than anything that would be created on 4chan, which would probably be a generic religion board filled with nonstop theist vs atheist bickering. The changes to /asp/ probably sucked life from 420chan.

I like the kind of experimentation that has been done on 4taba, for example the subposting feature https://4taba.net/res/dat/example and making their /f/ a "Flash and HTML5" board where you can upload HTML in zip files. It would be nice if that place had more traffic.
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>>2182486
I'd agree on /pol/ only after the recent board owner sacking. Before then it looked superficially better than 4chan's because the threads were higher-effort, but the mods would ban everyone they disagreed with for being alleged shills.

Being better than those 4chan boards isn't much of an accomplishment, though. Those are some of the worse boards, and they're specifically the ones that are bad by virtue of high traffic combined with 4chan's system of pruning threads that aren't enormous (You) farms. Any copy of those boards is likely to be better than the original, and I'd say it's a tremendous failing of 8ch that it managed to make a /pol/ clone worse than 4chan's. The fact that they had to sack the board owner for it to get better proves that the "people will respond to bad moderators by migrating to other boards" is bullshit.

>>2182490
Why would anyone use their /g/ instead of /tech/?
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>>2182274
On the other hand, people who like 4chan aren't on meta threads like this as much.
Those of us who like 4chan, especially hobbyist board regulars like /a/ usually just stick to the actual discussion of their hobby rather than angry meta shit
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>>2182414
>/pol/ is now the HQ of unironic racists and neo-nazis.
>unironic racists
>now
wew I guess you never went to any iteration of the politics/news boards.
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4chan? More like 4can’t.
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>>2182274
>is there really a large percentage of users who just come here out of habit while despising it
yeah
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>>2182717
They were only pretending to be Nazis. Just like Wernher von Braun.
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>>2182717
/new/'s most famous meme was tongue-in-cheek anti-white and didn't become stormfront until near the very end
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I don't like 4chan because it's too negative. I read some threads on a forum for Pacific war maniacs for a change and everyone treated each other politely and with respect. People said thank you for your post, nobody told others to kill themselves etc. And I don't think most of the content is interesting. For every good joke there's a sea of posts like >>2182413 although qa is better than most other boards in that regard.
I come here only because I can't fight my imageboard addiction. I wish I knew how to make better posts so at least I won't bother others. People on 4chan are easily bothered.
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>>2182977
I'm not talking about nazis or stormfront users, but plenty of /new/ users most definitely meant it when they said "I hate niggers".
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>>2182501
I only go into meta threads to bitch about mods being biased uppity faggots and awful at their "job".
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>>2183113
I think it's gotten a little bit better in the last few months but I guess that depends on the board. I miss public bans.
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>>2182274
mods are niggers
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I like the design of 4chan (an imageboard) and I like the size and diversity(lol) of 4chan's userbase.

I still complain alot but my complaints are largely aimed at the staff of the website, because of their rigidity, secretness, and their unwillingness to allow the users any opportunity for voice or change here. We would all be better off if 4chan collapsed and the only thing keeping it going (it's too big to fail userbase) split off into imageboards that are better positions to adapt and respond to it's userbase.

I don't want the tyranny of the majority, but the whimsical tyranny of the shadow mods is worse.
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>>2182274
bump
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>>2182404
You can't be serious.
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>>2185503
>split off into imageboards that are better positions to adapt and respond to it's userbase.
i've always liked the idea of overchan
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>>2182274
why are japanese men such sluts?
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>>2182274
Yes and yes.
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>>2182274

I fuckin' love this place. I fuckin' love your memes.
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>>2187489
Welcome, memefriend!
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>>2187489

three fiddy
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>>2183117
Well it seems as if they've stepped up the public bans on /a/ at least.
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to the top
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vroom!
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>>2182274
It stopped being about lulz and instead about kek.
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>>2189201
I got my hopes up with the HWNDU flag stuff. Haven't laughed like that in years
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>>2189201
metabump
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>>2186402
As in nntpchan or something different?
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>>2182274
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When you have people coming into your home of many years, shitting everywhere, and kicking you out of said home, you end up becoming a shitty, bitter person still clinging to the things he once had.
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>>2186402
or as in
https://allchans.org/
http://www.1ch.us/
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>>2191039
Whoever made this image is a bloody baboon who fails to understand the dynamic nature of the open and ephemeral imageboard framework. Additionally he falls prey to a common historical misconception ,one that is being pushed so hard that it might as well be called revisionism by now.
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Bump.
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>>2191994
Are you saying 4chan is better than it was before? Or the same? Because you are horribly mistaken.

>4chan/[insert board] were always shit

Sure, but they weren't AS shit as they are now. Frankly, along with time and society, 4chan can only get worse from here on out. It will never improve, the Golden Era is over. And I can only pity those that missed it.
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>>2182274
The site's quality would rise by a a metric fuckton if neckbeard wojack posting and saying [generic meme insult on the month] were instant bans.
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>>2192745
Want to know a way to raise site quality? Hope, pray, and wish that hiro gets into some serious, serious debt, that he leaves this place. And then hope, pray, and wish some more that the debt follows him where ever he goes, until his unhonorabou death.
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>>2192713
It had a certain kind of novelty that has long since wore off, not that it was THAT entertaining to begin with. Excrement smells rancid regardless of who produced it, 4chan was always just, it's just the brand that has since changed.
>Frankly, along with time and society, 4chan can only get worse from here on out. It will never improve, the Golden Era is over. And I can only pity those that missed it.
You sure are making some large claims without objective proof to back them up. Furthermore, you're using terminology that is strikingly similar to what's come to be expected of an elderly mourning their age.
>You kids these don't know how great we had it. Society can only get worse and I quite pity those who missed that golden era.
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>>2193068
>You sure are making some large claims without objective proof to back them up

All anyone has to do is look around them. Media, what's going in the outside world, the proof is there.

>Furthermore, you're using terminology that is strikingly similar to what's come to be expected of an elderly mourning their age.

Okay? Sure. I mean it's been a good 14 years or so (well, the early parts of it, anyway) on this site/life, so I can't really argue with you there.
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I think a better question is what's up with all the retarded shitposting? So many faggots are calling people the meme insult of the month and spamming neckbeard wojacks that even the retards that usually respond to bait have gotten bored and stopped, yet it's still being shit out on the popular boards by the truckloads.
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may not relate to your question but a lot of people have been bullied here. when people are constantly shitting on you for your interests, you tend to refer to what you like in the same ways because that's normal for you. like those self hating weebs that laugh at the picture you posted >>2182274
same thing happens with people on 4ch that like 4ch
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>>2193068
>you're using terminology that is strikingly similar to what's come to be expected of an elderly mourning their age.
You're actually about to use the stupid boomer meme aren't you?

I'm so sorry that you missed the golden age not only of 4chan but of the internet as well. The internet used to be so much more open and free than it used to be and had so much potential for creativity.
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Honestly this place was never good, but it has gotten really shit recently. The low effort shitposting is out of control and you have to trawl through hundreds of shit replies to find something semi intelligent. I could put up with this if it wasn't for the endless shilling. Now that companies are figuring out how big of an influence this place has on the younger generation there is massive amounts of cash being spent to sway opinions. I'm not even talking about /pol/. Almost any board that has a large focus on products is incessantly bombarded and mods are doing fucking nothing about it. For proof of what I am talking about, go visit /tv/whenever a big movie comes out, half the fucking catalog is filled with threads posted and bumped by bots and it's fucking obvious, the same goes for other boards like /v/, /g/ and so many others.

I come here to have real interactions with people and get away from fucking ads and consumerism. Mods are 100% complicit.
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>>2182277
The thing is, it's impossible for such an image board to happen unless 4chan is shut down due to the amount of inertia the site has. Which cause people to resent 4chan even more.
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>>2191994
I find it amusing that they're using /pol/'s own immigration theory against it.
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>>2194101
>Honestly this place was never good, but it has gotten really shit recently
>recently

Try the last decade, friend.
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>>2194124
I know, I know, but it has been REALLY bad over the last 2 years or so. Especially since the election, attribute that to whatever you will.
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Bump. You didn't think I'd make it that easy for you, did you?
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>>2193127
My point is that you're using a regurgitated argument from decades past, one that be repurposed to fit any other arbitrary period of time. Unless you backup your claims with objective facts then this entire 'discussion' is futile.
>>2194094
You're considerably biased to automatifally assume that I'm only making this argument for the sake of memetics. The endless generational conflict might be as old as humanity itself.
But hey, if the shoe fits. I'd be willing to make a comparison to baby boomers if that'll live up to your expectations.
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>>2194493
>My point is that you're using a regurgitated argument from decades past, one that be repurposed to fit any other arbitrary period of time. Unless you backup your claims with objective facts then this entire 'discussion' is futile.

Right. Keep turning a blind eye, then. That's part of what fucked up this site to begin with, when we couldn't tell each other to LURK MOAR anymore.
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