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I need your thoughts on transgenders
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They got memed by fujo ops
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Mentally ill people who should get treatment instead of acceptance
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>>40248228
They are not "transcending" anything.

Just fags in a drag or lesbians in overalls.
They will never come even close to changing their gender.

At best they will mutilate their penis and have a giant flesh wound for a vagina
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WHAT A BIZARRE QUESTION. I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED A QUESTIOn LiKE THIS ONE BEFORE. HUH. IM PERPLEXED. I DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT TO SAY. WELL. FIRST OF ALL. YOU KNOW. EVERYONE ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND DESERVE RESPECT. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO STATE. BUT. LIKE WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THEM TRANSGENDERS THoUGH. YOU knOw WHAT I MEAN? LIKE WTF. DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT?
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>>40248228
desu I feel bad for people who have to go through feeling the way they do all day every day and I actually feel pretty awful about the shitty way they get treated online for no reason, they're not hurting anyone.
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>>40248228
>I need your thoughts on transgenders
Good people sometimes
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>>40248323
Theyre hurting the quality of this board for one thing
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>>40248228
They're the most cancerous and annoying individuals on the planet.
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fuckin stupid whiny faggots all they think about is cock and how to get attention
i really wish i could be a real girl but this is the closest i'll ever get to it until we get some cool future vagina technology or some shit like that
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>>40248228
I don't fucking care. And I don't know why I should care one way or the other
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>>40248228
I am one, and I gotta say, we are hella rad XD!
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>>40248228
I feel bad that they have a mental illness. They can be really annoying though.
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If they can't accept that they will never be real girls they should just kill themselves desu
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>>40248323
On top of shitting up this board, and many others. They're shitting up porn sites, posting their abominations and mislabelling them as "women".

And there's the unfortunate fact that over 40% of them attempt suicide. Mutilating their body doesn't make them happier. They still blow their brains out at a much higher rate than normalfags.
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>>40248228
and i need you to go back.
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>>40248552
Theyre plastered all over porn sites because theyre seen as a taboo fetish for men to like lmao. Dont get mad at them get mad at your horny bro friends
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>>40248228
The way these must feel to take such drastic action must be very strong and since I cannot understand these feelings, I can't really form an opinion on them beyond "go do the thing that will probably not solve your problems, but might make it a little better, if you genuinely feel that way".
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Attention whore idiots basically. The worst US women raising their children with gender "neutrality" which just messes up the children.

I can't imagine what these people think they're "fighting"
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>>40248552
>it's their fault men won't stop jacking off to them
I don't see how. People only upload and watch internet porn they actually want to see. Suicide pretty much by definition is not hurting other people, so I dunno why you're butthurt about it. I'm not going to stop being sympathetic because you're angry and think they're somehow ruining 4chan any more than anyone else pissing in an ocean of piss desu
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>>40248711
>Suicide only hurts one person
Lol retard
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Being transgender I would bet in more cases than not arises from self loathing, a lack of positive identity, and a lack of guidance than from any biological or neurological differences. I'm 20 now and quite happy with who I am, but when I was 16ish I had feelings like I might be transgender.

I did not have a dad around and was really into art and literature, so I was exposed to a lot of feminist-y shit with no real example of masculinity as a positive thing. I was also in a clique surrounding my debate and forensics team that was full of SJW
kids. I just felt like being a man was terrible and I had nothing to contribute to culture being a straight white male. I also tried looking at gay porn even though I didn't have any interest in it because I had the idea in my head that there was something intellectual or elite about faggotry.

The kids who are doing this shit, I would bet mostly don't have any positive example of masculinity in their lives, and are socially isolated. They don't have any strong male camaraderie. They don't want to accept what being a man means, because they think it's oppressive and terrible.

When I look at an MtF transgender now, it's so obvious that they're going against their nature, their form. You can never become what you're destined to be if you're fighting the nature you were born with. Which is part of why anti-white male rhetoric is poisonous.
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I don't have anything against them personally but I don't understand why transgender-culture is glorified so much. As far as I know most of these people had somewhat of a dark history/bad childhood or just depression. So I don't hate transgender people but having this tendency is sign of a bad mental space for me and in my opinion they need help instead of just glorification.
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>>40248808
The reason why anti-white male rhetoric is poisonous is that it doesn't exist on the "pro-SJW" side outside of people being provoked and losing their cool, which in turn leads to the "anti-SJW" people interpreting the general ideas in a deliberately malicious way.
This interpretation you see in all these popular self-appointed "rational centrist" youtubers leads to a general loss of identity for the young white white men, who then become propaganda victims. In both the form you presented, but also by the internet ideologues you find on /pol/.
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>>40248228
They need mental help. I feel bad for transbians. Normal ones are whatever let them live their life I don't care.
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>>40248228
Oh, they're clearly insane.

I don't hate them, and I don't care if they transition, but wanting to be the opposite sex obviously means there's something wrong with their brains. This fact is irrelevant because their wanting to transition hurts no one.
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>>40248298
Trans means to change or to move
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>use to crossdress on /b/ in 2007-2008
>everyone wanted moar until the dick was revealed
>absolutelydisgusting.jpg
>eventually people started turning gay for traps
>now there's traps fucking everywhere
>see gay faggots pretending to be girls outside now
>it was suppose to be a joke
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>>40248228
Its sad how many people would/do hate me based on something so irrelevant to every other aspect of my life. I think the weird horny traps of 4chan have caused a very messy perception of what being trans is to arise, even though those people arent causing any harm anyway, but it makes it seem like something dirty and private and frankly sad. But being trans to me was just a small disturbance at a point in my life, that through coming to understand what the root of the issue was, became something that I am comfortable with and acknowledge. I live a typical life as a college student, and idk like Im trans too. I used to think r9k was a more cozy environment but people sure are angry like damn, whatever I wont understand but I will continue to do me I guess.
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>>40249211
>use to crossdress on /b/ in 2007-2008
>everyone wanted moar until the dick was revealed
>absolutelydisgusting.jpg
man, I wish I was into CD back then, sounds like a good time.
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>>40249236
the kind of trannies people hate are usually the ones who seem to base their entire identity around being transgender. it's good that you don't let it become your entire being, it shouldn't be the most important thing in your life by any means.
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>>40248317
Compare the vernacular and structure of this post to that of the others ITT and you'll get a good look into the mind and morality of most trans people.
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>>40249363
Of course, I dont understand why people obsess over it I mean by experience I can see why it happens because dysphoria tries to overwhelm you and grip your attention, but just like any other problem through help, whether its your own/others/both it can be dismissed. The key is to just remain as productive as possible while simultaneously becoming more comfortable with yourself, then everything becomes simpler. Anyway idk why I went on about that haha my baaad
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>>40248228
I'd seriously consider an emotional/romantic relationship with a female(male), as long a s/he is submissive and isn't an abomination or a total nutjob.
What are the chances of finding such a female(male)?
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>>40250774
That describes me, but I feel like its a little off putting knowing you low key be thinking were abominations or nutjobs
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>>40248228
only experience i've had with a trans person has been pretty rad. just a cool dude minding his own business. honestly i don't get all the fuss about trans people.
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>>40251322
Well, you can't deny that most of the ones who transition just do it to get the superficial normie praise to boost their fragile ego, thus they do not fully focus on reaching the utmost individual perfection. If you're a male that decides to become a female, you either make up your mind and fully transition or leave it be and be a human waste crying about your lack of conviction and blaming the white man.
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>>40251322
you literally want to cut your dick off
you are a nutjob
faggot
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>>40248228
like encouraging schizophrenics that their delusions are true
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>>40251447
Thats actually interesting that you say that because I always make it a priority to improve and perfect myself, I feel like all people should. And I never need anyone elses praise or input in doing that (not that I hate people being nice lol, but its really not necessary in regards to my transition).
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>>40251490
I actually dont plan on doing that, and the fact that your mind goes to that assumption before anything else exhibits your perversion and being a nutjob and not mine lol
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>>40251503
Good for you. But others will still be the judges of your appearance.
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>>40248228
They're what happens when you coddle the mentally ill instead of trying to find a way to cure them.
>>40250774
>female (male)
Does not compute. Pick one and only one.
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I wouldn't care if they felt the need to tell me about it so much. Also if their surgeries weren't payed on my dime.
They make me care about their mental illness, but if one didn't, I wouldn't mind them
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>>40251603
If they didn't feel the need*
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Trans are fine , at least their not emos
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Emos are the worst attention whores of this planet
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>>40251547
Ya but everybodys appearance gets judged lol, trans people to a greater extent because we are always told how well we fit the bill so to speak but I dont care for that anyway because Im aware of my looks and health and idk whatever.

>>40251601
>Pick one and only one
>bisexuals?

>>40251603
How are you paying for anyones surgeries
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I hope science progresses to the point that they can actually look like their preferred genders. Since most trannies seem to be white or asian males, the prospect of all these new potential gfs who look exactly like women but can never get pregnant.
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Do castrated people ever feel alone seeing as you no longer have sex hormones pumping through your brain?
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>>40251681
Don't get your hopes up.
They will still crave Chad's cock, senpai.
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>>40251681
But if they don't have the soul of a woman then what is the point?
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>>40251677
Public healthcare. Why should I pay for someone's cosmetic surgeries?
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>>40248298
>tfw you're so much of a brainlet you think trans is short for transcend
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>>40251814
I share your stance

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I love that pic!! Soomuch.
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>>40251814
These people are afraid to leave their houses because they could be publicly shamed, harassed or even beaten to death just because of their appearance. It's not cosmetic to change your appearance to lessen your chances of being the victim of a hate crime. Trans is just an unfortunate result of how poorly genes can sometimes work. No ugly trans person chose to be ugly. Let them have a chance at normal life.
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I think dysphoria is real. In a world where people can think they're Napoleon or develop phantom limb syndrome, the idea of someone being wired to have a penis but being born with a vagina does not seem implausible to me. Since we can't reroute the brain without Rosemary Kennedy-ing someone, sex changes are perfectly reasonable solutions.

What pisses me off is that trans activists don't believe in the meaning of words. Ask them to define "woman" and they ramble about how anyone can be a woman if they identify. What they refuse to answer is why someone would identify with that word in the first place - there is a meaning there that they are not willing to say out loud.

To me, woman and man are political categories. There's no such thing as a woman or man - just people who get shoved into being those things because of their genitals, who grow up with specific experiences as a result. You can't become a man because you will never experience all the subtle interactions of growing up male. Rachel Dolezal can't become black because someone called her a nigger once. Having a black identity is the culmination of having lived as a black person.

When a tranny transitions, they're missing out on years of experiences as their desired add, can go back at any time, etc. You think boys that get circumcised can just smile and say "lol I'm a girl"? No. They can't quit. Unless a tranny goes through a full sex change operation where they pass and they can't go back do they begin to understand what it's like to be in that political category. Everything else is just appropriation.

I think the solution is just have the body you want without labels. You want a vagina? Get a vagina. But stop all this stereotypical shit about being the perfect girl and shit. I understand that some trannies need to play the cutesy girl thing to get treatment, but a lot just love the idea of being the most stereotypical girl imaginable, and that tells me that there's something else.
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>>40252003
Tell me the evolutionary reason for this 'trans gene' being passed on
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>>40252044
Adapting to the current social paradigm shift to increase the chances of inclusion in society.
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>>40248228
>I need your thoughts on transgenders
I was happy to ignore them a few years ago.
But now our culture insisted we hold them up as the very epitome of human virtue, and I have grown very, very tired of it.
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>>40251677
>>bisexuals?
No, I'm saying you can't be male and female at the same time. You cannot be a male female, or vice versa. Male and female refers to biological sex specifically, you can only be one or the other. Not both.
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Transgenders need help so they can come to terms with who they really are and forget about the trans stuff. If I really thought I was an airplane, at some point I would have to come to terms with the fact that I was a man not a plane. Same for trans people. I have sympathy for them, it must be hard, but at some point they have to understand the truth.
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>>40252042
Im not exactly sure what youre saying. Being trans is about having physical and social dysphoria, yes, but its not like you dont have the experience of the gender you are until you get a sex change. In fact, a sex change is often the most irrelevant part of living as the gender you transition to. I sure am not thinking about that as opposed to how my face looks or how my voice sounds. I do agree as far as putting on a stereotypical feminine persona and I can say I thankfully have not done that lol
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>>40252130
Bollocks.
How does becoming a tranny help you to successfully pass on your genes?
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>>40248228
confused kids that filled the void of identity stolen from them by the culture of mass media, with the fairy tale of oneself. To overindulge the whispers withing, the madness of a hairless ape aware of itself is such minimal capacity. It is the height of delusion
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>>40252141
Female(male) refers to a male that looks like or has transitioned to a perfect female appareance.
lurk moar, faggot
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>>40248323
thanks anon faith in humanity somewhat restored
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there was a cute tranny that was in my area that posted on soc and i wanted to fuck her(him) but she never posted contact

i wanted to nut in the butt
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>>40252042
>What pisses me off is that trans activists don't believe in the meaning of words
Until they inevitably get offended by the words someone ELSE uses. Then they're screeching about how "words are violence!"
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>>40252141
Ya well its just r9k meme speak. As far as the whole using the biological sex terms at the end of the day it becomes irrelevant when you appear and are treated completely as, say, a girl, when you are a born male. And a rational trans person will acknowledge the biological sex they were born as, it just does not typically matter.
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>>40252042
That something else being some weird psychology or fetish or whatever. Why are there more MTFs than FTMs? Unless there's a fucking genetic reason, I see no reason for the disparity other than some weird fetishization of radical submission in the female gender role. I hate how stereotypical a lot of trannies are and I think it has dangerous implications for gender egalitarianism.

I also think gender queer is bullshit. Unless you have dysphasia, you're not a transvestite, you're a bitchy whiner and attention whore clammoring for attention on the back of people with real problems. Shut the fuck up. Just like how a trans person will never understand the specific trials of their preferred gender, these non-dysphoric fucks will never get what trannies go through.

And I think "cis" is bullshit, too. Literally no human likes gender roles because no human conforms perfectly all the time. Any man that ever felt he'd rather be asked out, or any woman who is shamed for not wanting kids has resisted their assigned gender role. If you use the tumblr definition of cis as "anyone who is okay with their assigned gender" than you're talking nonsense because it applies to no one. The only time I will use the word "cis" is if we're referring to nondysphoric people.

T. Former person who considered themselves transsexual before reading a lot of TERF stances on transsexuality.

And yes, "cis" women do deserve spaces for themselves. I'm sick of trans ideologues screaming and shouting and threatening people. The shit at UofT ( where I got my masters) last year or so was fucking outrageous.

With all that said, I think discriminating against trans people is wrong and they deserve the same legal protections as anyone else. I just think that gender as a whole as a meme and that the LGBT community uses the naturalistic fallacy carelessly in a desperate attempt to justify their own existence ("gay is not a choice").
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>>40252149
>comparing a plane to gender
I think you have larger problems than being trans ever could be, you are retarded :(
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>>40252190
It's still a paradox that just helps fuel their mental illness.
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>>40252255
>>comparing a plane to gender
The truth is the truth. Believing you are meant to be something that you aren't and can never be is a delusion.
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>>40252184
It might be nature's way of stopping genes from passing on.
Like a barren mother. Someone who can live, and contribute to society, but might have genes not worth passing on.
That, and maybe feminizing pesticides. I have a lot of theories as to why someone's brain might not match their bodies.
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>>40248552
The worst part is when they lie and say that they're one thing and they're not. I wouldn't care otherwise.
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>>40252255
Not him, but his point is that both outcomes are physically impossible no matter how much surgery takes place. Men can have surgery to look like women, but they will still never be women and should not be treated as such. It doesn't work anyway considering almost half of them end up killing themselves, surgery or not.
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>>40252044
There probably isn't one specific gene for anything honestly. And I think reducing the entire human experience just to the ability to procreate is a pretty lackluster life. Some people are just different in ways they don't want to be. Is it cosmetic to remove someones third arm sticking out of their chest? The simple answer is yes, the complex is that the person experiences extreme discomfort daily to the point where their life is virtually pleasureless because they recognize they're severely different and society treats them unfairly because of it. It's like giving money to charity, you don't have to, but you'd wish others did if you were in that situation. Will money go to people abusing the system? Sure, but if that's all you focus on you're just pessimistic and talking yourself out of helping people that need it.
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>>40252344
What are the general criteria that qualify a brain as male or female?
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>>40252171
It's not fucking irrelevant.

Read any study about how ("cis") men and women are treated differently in literally any context. That shit shapes you as a human being. It alters your perspective. That's why a FTM will never get what it's like to live as a cis woman because they were assumed and treated as a male their whole life. Vice versa with MTFs.

>>40252184
I don't believe in a "tranny gene" but there's such a thing as indirect fitness you fucking dolt.

>>40252218
Yeah, that pisses me off.

I think you should treat people how they want to be treated. I'll call someone by whatever because it's nice. But I don't completely agree with the logic behind it.

>>40252238
One more thing: I hate the creepy rapey guilt shaming that's used. As my sister, who is a lesbian, once said, "I am gay because I love vagina. I am not here for cock and a neovagina isn't the same." I cannot fucking stand to see someone with a cock call themselves "dyke". Fuck off, you have zero comprehension about what a lesbian lives through and the reasons people may be cruel to you about your relationship has zero to do with a hatred of lesbians. This also applies to bitching at straight men who won't smash the boipussi, etc. True bi/pansexuality is rare. Genitals matter for most of humanity.
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>>40252255
>its a tranny thinks hes not a mentally ill abomination thread
lmao
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>>40252003
No thanks. Let me know if you want to subsidize some things in my life, though.
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>>40252238
This confuses me like you said some true things but also some odd things. As far as the difference between mtfs and ftms I can not be completely sure, but Ive theorized that its not because there are actually more mtfs, but because typically girls are given more freedom to express their masculinity and it is also typically easier for them to appear as boys than it is the other way around. When an mtf tries to express their femininity they may already be facing harsh discrimination and figure they may as well be honest about their desire to transition instead of just coping like I think some ftms do. I agree as far as cis only being used in regards to those who do not have dysphoria, and I think in order to identify with the term trans you have to have dysphoria lol. But like..being gay is not a choice definitely lol, or bi, or trans and so on.

>>40252335
You wish it was that simple but its not my apologies. Its not about what is meant to be because nothing is meant to be, its about what is, and trans people simply exist and need to be themselves as everyone does.
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>>40252003
There's no significant numbers of hate crimes happening against the trans community.
But even if they did get the surgery, they're still not passable enough not to get nabbed by hate crimes.
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>>40248228
they are rping hard as the opposite gender
mentally ill
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>>40252398
>waaah i want mine
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>>40248228
Fun fact: the massive physiological changes often result in the person being "born anew" after the hormones have run their course. What this means is that their personality dies and they become basic, boring assholes with no interesting qualities, even if they were on track to become important and successful. I personally knew a person who was lost to this effect, and the world is worse off because of it.
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>>40252381
Okay Im still confused, I think I agree with what you are saying? Im trans, of course I agree biological sex is not relevant in how one is treated and desires to be treated in society.

>>40252382
Useless input. Its sad when people enter conversations with nothing to actually say because they have no thought process
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>>40248228
>have tranny gf
>still hate almost all trannies and """"trannies""" that are just fetishists
Feels weird man
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>>40252375
Psychology is still a baby science. Scanning male and female brains for activity yielded no conclusive results, we still need to rely on trained professionals to diagnose dysphoria. Much like the gay man stuck in a loveless marriage, it isn't something we can solve easily on the brain level- so we alter the body.
The big issue with this is the fact so many people are caught up by the transtrender craze that they transition without any need to, and probably contribute a lot to the suicide numbers.

The brain is the source of who we are. If you change it, are you really the same person? If someone altered your brain to make you gay? It's easier to alleviate the dysphoria, and brings up less moral questions to boot.
The ideal would be treating transgender people like anyone else, and not making them seem more/less special for a medical condition. At the end of the day, that's all it is.
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>>40252374
Lots of good can come from removing an extra limb to allow to someone to function as a normal person if their extra limb is being a hindrance and lots of good can come from giving to charity. No good can come from further deluding a man or a woman into believing they are something that they are not.

Also, as far as evolution and genes go, it does really come down to the ability to live long enough to procreate, the ability to procreate and for your offspring to be successful
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>>40252427
I don't think that's correct at all. Something like 40%+ experience workplace discrimination. A lot are homeless. Sex workers. Exchange sex for housing. And a lot of male to female trannies are referred to as male in their obituaries. I think a lot goes unreported.
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>>40252445
>being a charity case is bad, but only when someone who isn't me does it
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>>40252427
Trans people are definitely disproportionately discriminated against more than others lol.

>>40252532
Ya, all this and obviously murder rates
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>>40252497
You are not a just a brain in a jar though. You are a complete body that is almost 100% of the time one of two sexes
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>>40248228
I think that it's important in society for people to have the freedom to do these kinds of things, as long as it's not hurting anyone.
However, that doesn't change the fact that no operation in the world will change the fact that every single cell in a MTF transgender's body will always have a Y chromosome, and no cells in a FTM transgender's body have a Y chromosome. Also, people under the age of 18 shouldn't be allowed to undergo sex change operations, as it's something that's going to affect them for the rest of their lives. It only makes sense: In the US, you have to be 18 to join the military and 21 to buy a drink.
I haven't really said this to anyone IRL though: I would face ostracism. I'm already lonely and don't really have any friends, but I get along with most people. Saying these things would get a lot of people to hate me. Also, my family's pretty liberal and wouldn't take my comments well.
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>>40252532
Do they consider a man with 5 o'clock shadow who wears a dress not being called 'she' to be workplace discrimination?
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>>40252564
>Trans people are definitely disproportionately discriminated against more than others lol.
Try being a NEET in goymany.
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>>40252579
That's a matter of opinion, not fact
It has a lot to do with how we view ourselves. For me, all that I am and all that matters to me is what I think, and what lives within my brain. I'd be more miserable without my body, sure, but it is more a means to an end, not something I identify with or enjoy.
Which is a side effect of being transgender.
The hope is altering my body to be more relatable to my brain bridges that gap and I can have value for myself and contribute to society better, and thus pursue a higher calling. Life for humans isn't just reproduction- it can be legacy, wealth, charity.. the possibilities are endless!
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>>40252521
I don't think it's delusion. I don't know any trans people that outright deny the meaning of their sex chromosomes. But they all feel extreme distress over their appearance. I think it helps to separate the authenticity aspect of it, and just recognize that for a lot of them, this is just how they need their lives to be to feel comfortable. Also something like 50%+ of trans people DON'T do sexual reassignment. That might be because of cost, but still something to consider.
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>>40252532
And that wouldn't change with reassignment. People can still tell that you used to be the opposite sex postop, sorry to tell you.
It's as cosmetic as breast implants.
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>>40252561
>i get 'nothing' and cant fathom the human pleasure of helping others less fortunate than myself
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>>40252618
I dont think you would ostracized at all lol, because a lot of people flat out hate us and would say worse, and aside from that, your stances arent unreasonable anyway, but thats why extremely few trans people are getting a sex change under 18 lol. Also, not every cell in your body has a chromosome in it lol.

>>40252633
I will anon! ...I will.

>>40252674
I did not say it would after reassignment. I think that its not a matter of what the trans person does, but other people should learn to be less annoying lol. If you can tell someone is trans, which you cant always but if you can, dont talk about it because if youre at work it shouldnt be relevant anyway.
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>>40252647
>legacy, wealth, charity...
Reproduction is a part of legacy. The rest are only important because humanity believes them to be, constructs that apply only to our species.
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>>40252623
I consider them to be abusing the foundation trans people before them have set out. In an ideal world they would be accepted. But it won't be like that for a long time and at least right now no one gets in for free. You have to try at least. If they're humiliating them on purpose yes, if they're genuinely messing up the persons pronouns, no.
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they need help if they want to become a girl. i think the people who like them need help to, not thinking they're gay for liking a guy with a boob job and some pills.
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>>40252412
>easier for women to act masculine
I find that a tiny bit contentious but generally I agree it's more shameful to be a woman than a man. I can see an effeminate man going whole hog whereas a masculine female may be able to be all "stone butch". Doesn't factor in drag queens, though, and why they're more abundant than drag kings.

>drag queens are basically female blackface

>not a choice
I think the jury's out. I don't think there's medical consensus on whether or not gayness is genetic, environmental, a conscious decision or an interplay of all these things. What I dislike is that LGBT people will jump on the "it's not a choice" thing reflectively when they should argue that gayness should be permitted in society regardless of its origins. The naturalistic fallacy sets up dangerous precedence and may even be turned against you if the scientific consensus ultimately fails to comply.

>>40252465
>biological sex
>not relevant
Opposite of what I'm saying. How society sees you (which is basically your genitals) determines everything in life.

>>40252497
Good post.

My mom is a psychiatrist. She has this client whose son thinks he's FTM. Thing is, his whole family is schizophrenic, he's at the age of onset, and he's showing other symptoms. My mom tried to get his mom on board with treating possible psychosis before moving forward with sex changes, but he's shut her down and my mom even had a coworker call her transphobic because she wants thing kid in reality before he lobs something off.

>>40252521
>no good can come
Well, if their brain is stuck on this, and you can't fix that, fixing their body can allow them to move on with their life. That contributes to society. Besides that, why does it need value for society? Isn't it good enough that one person can move forward in life?
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>>40252720
>I dont think you would ostracized at all lol, because a lot of people flat out hate us and would say worse
I live in a VERY liberal area, saying even mild things like what I said are social suicide.
Also, I don't have anything against transgender people
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>>40251872
>tfw you're so much of a brainlet you can't recognize someone making a play on words
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>>40248228
I remember this one video that someone posted once and I never could find again of this dude who wakes up in the morning after a night of drinking and realizes he sleep with a transgender who took advantage of him hot him drunk and raped him and he is yelling like crazy and the transgedet cries with a high pitched man voice and repeats it's not my fault it's not my fault
I think it's all fucking crazy and the craziest part are these big exho Chambers they build from themselves where they convince each other they are real women and they just have to get a guy drunk to get them a chance and then he won't really mind
Well when crazy meets reality it isn't pretty, that video had a transgender face reality with the force of a hurricane ain the real world nobody sees them as women just mentally ill perverted men with a strange fetish and wirrd mannerisms
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>>40252734
Yes, they apply to our species. We are more than just fucking machines now.
Barren women and infertile man don't just an hero for the hell of it, they keep going. The only purpose of life is to live. Reproduction promises another generation of life, sure, but it isn't my responsibility alone. Since our population is swelling, I don't think I'll be needing to cut hormone therapy anytime soon and do my part for the species. I'll cross that bridge if/when it comes.
Until then, the priority is to live. To live, I need to not be on the brink of killing myself every night- alleviating the dysphoria, since altering the brain hasn't worked up to this point. You can argue that modern medicine is allowing those who should have died to live, but that's another issue based in morals (another thing that only applies to humans, since animals don't give a shit about murdering the sick or the weak)
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am transponder

aske me anything or kill me, whichever you like
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>>40252720
Then you shouldn't have responded, since I was going on about how the public shouldn't fund reassignment surgery.
Personally, I couldn't give two fucks about trans people, but they seem to care a lot about their transness
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>>40252736
>You have to try at least
No I don't, and neither does anyone else. Nor should we be forced by law to use the words other people want us to use just to spare their feelings. I'm not going to call a male who clearly doesn't pass as a female 'she'. They can identify as whatever they want. But the rest of society should not be forced to join them in their delusion just to 'be nice'.
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>>40252618
>no kids
Fucking this.

Gender is learned. This, as kids struggle to meet expectations of gender, they're gonna good up. Sexism may cause a child to act in a non conforming way. The issue is not transexuality, but the world around them. Stop pathogizing kids.

If my daughter wanted to be called Robert and dress like a boy I would not give a fuck. But dangerous medication? That would be a very hard sell. I would numerous second opinions and at least a year of devotion from my child before considering mild treatment. Children are fucking stupid. You have to be a parent and protect them from themselves. Kids can't decide legally if they want to run genitals with an adult, you expect me to believe their now capable of making choices about those genitals being shrunken or altered?

And really, it boils down to "I wanna be pretty". The justification for child transitioning is always "You'll pass better if you start young". So in other words, teach your MTF daughter that it's worth endangering yourself to look pretty. For fuck sakes, wait until they're adults before they do this shit.
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>>40252755
Drag queens are more abundant because exaggerated femininity is more entertaining to the masses than anything masculine. I hate drag btw and dont support it, its an embarrassing mockery. And yes there is scientific consensus on sexuality being genetic lol. Look at studies on the sexualities of twins, or statistics about having more children and the chances of one being gay increasing. Also yes in society your genitals dont really matter unless youre going to have sex with someone. How youre seen is determined by your secondary sex characteristics.

>>40252775
No I know!

>>40252839
I definitely dont think reassignment surgery should be funded by others because I dont even understand why its always this obsession of trans people, as if its something necessary for survival or something. And good, I think the problem is often people giving too much of a fuck
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This study sums it up pretty well, everyone on this board should watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o

It feels good to know that liking traps is an alpha male trait
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>>40252755
It's that sort of transtrender fuckery that hurts more people than it helps. We don't need to be one extreme or the other- it's a medical condition. If anything, it should be given a little empathy, a little support, and nothing more. Diagnosing it should be just as serious as diagnosing any other mental disorder (such as psychosis) as a mis-diagnoses can be dangerous. Transitioning is a life-long obligation that needs to alleviate more symptoms than it creates, and even with the best assessment it's a gamble for happiness.
Good on your mom. I went to several different psychologists just to avoid that sort of over-zealous ally behavior.
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>>40252786
literally impossible to be so intoxicated that you don't know what you're fucking unless you got a roofie-viagra cocktail or something. is it possible to maintain an erection while unconcious?
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>>40248228
pretty shitty luck
and desu I'm straight but I'd rather date a trans girl than a robot
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>>40252852
No, I'm saying that the trans person should at least try. I think that you hold the difference between males and females are something sacred and untouchable. It's just sounds out of your mouth. You call 50 cent by his stage name, prince, stevie wonder, louis ck all without an issue.
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>>40252786
That pissed me off. It's rape.

Like, I get it, if you're a transperson on a date and shit gets hot and then you have reason to think this person might lynch your ass, obviously don't disclose your gender. However this manipulative lying is garbage.

You can think that trans people are 100% their preferred sex and that these people are bigots or whatever - but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to choose. If a white-passing black man fucks a racist white woman by lying about being African, he's still sexually abusing her. She might be a racist, but she still has a right to say no even if it is for a shitty reason.

Trans people should disclose their gender (if they're safe) because it does matter to most people. Anything else implies that rape is okay as long as the other person is a bigot. So what, it's cool to beat my wife if she says nigger?
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>>40252779
Does it bother you that nobody believes you are a girl
Like take as many pills and get as many surgeries as you want I don't give a shit but you are obviously not a girl and everyone knows you aren't a girl
I'm pretty sure other transgenders think you are a girl and maybe a handful of people but even the ones pretending they believe what you say don't, it's two categories the people who don't believe you but play along and the ones who don't believe you and refuse to play along
If I was transgender I would go crazy obsessing over it, who liked to me, how much of what they said was a lie? What are people really thinking? What if nobody cares tell me the truth not only about transgenderism but everything because they are afraid of my reaction? What's actually real? Who can I trust?
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>>40252870
Cool, we're on the same page.
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>>40252935
>defending racism as if its acceptable or logical
Trans people shouldn't have to only sleep with perverts. If you're so concerned with sleeping with a 'man' that it bugs you this much why don't you just ask your partner or get to know them a little before you stick a dick in them?
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>>40252946
Um...its not that deep lol. As long as you have a good sense of self and put effort into yourself as well as be a good person, you should have fine people around you, and even if you dont it doesnt matter because you only need yourself. Obsessing over it is the worst thing you could do.

>>40252975
Hey..we make a good team. *high fives and jumps into freeze frame*
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>>40253001
Fuck off to reddit with that *le high five* shit
Although your views on transgenderism are not bad. If only people gave less shits on what people did to their own body.
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>>40248228
>Tell doctor you want to kill yourself
>You want that because you have depression, a mental illness
>We're going to get you the means to help stabilise then cure your condition and improve your life
>Tell doctor you're anxious because you're the only one who knows you're Napoleon
>You think that because you have schizophrenia
>We're going to make sure you can't hurt yourself or anyone and cure you so your condition doesn't effect your life
>Tell doctor you want to be a different sex (impossible) and that you know you're the other one
>You want that because you have gender dysphoria, a mental illness
>We're going to embrace your mental illness and encourage you to believe in your delusions as hard as you can, completely alter and ruin your life while we're at it

This is why I feel bad for them. Also, it's a cult
>Vulnerable people who are in a very emotionally difficult place
>Desperate for a way to "fix" their life
>Are told, or in their delusions decide they're actually the other "gender"
>Told to shun people from their old life, even friends and family, if they do not accept this
>Told to accept a brand new community as their friends and family now
>Pay money for drugs to keep them vulnerable
>Make them pay money for incredibly harmful surgeries
>This will also make them feel like they cannot back out of this
>Control them through telling them who and what is for/against "transgender rights"
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>>40252870
>exaggerated feminine is mkre entertaining
Explain action movies.

>sexuality is genetic
I'm willing to accept some people are "born gay", but I am not sure that is the case for everyone who identifies as gay, or sure how environment factors in, how bodily changes can alter sexuality, how society affects sexuality. For example, I think the ubiquity of sexual advertisements of women contributes to higher rates of bisexuality in women. That's not a "gay gene".

>your genitals don't matter your secondary
What the fuck ever. You're playing semantics. In the middle of bumfuck Africa, you think they care if a girl is a bit of a tomboy with short hair before they mutilate her cunt and marry her off to the highest bidder? You think an effeminate man in pioneer times won't be told to work the goddamn field like the other man? You think a FTM walking down the street at night could say to the cat caller or rapist "I'm actually a man?" And be safe? Bullshit. They'd say "nice legs bitch" and rape "his" Masculine Vagina. Biological sex determines everything in life and that's why I see gender as a political category we are forced to, and why no one is truly okay with their gender completely.

>>40252883
>over zealous ally
Fucking this. The most batshit trans nonsense is always from fucking allies.

>>40252916
>what is being very drunk in a dark place in a position where full view is obscured
It's unlikely but very plausible.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter. If someone's really drunk it's rape regardless if their drunk brain was cool.

>>40252934
Eh. Everybody has lazy days. I wouldn't be a dick if my old female coworker didn't wax her lip. Likewise, I wouldn't be rude if my MTF coworker had stubble. Everyone has the right to be lazy.
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>>40252865
>dude just remove gender lmao
SPECIAL DELIVERY FOR ANON
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>>40248323
alghaskldjfhads
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>>40252935
I mean it is rape but that isn't the point
Transgenders want to be seen as women so they don't admit to not being women not because they are afraid of violence but because that gets them off
And it's one thing to trick some poor guy into buying them a drink or dinner Wich is totally wrong but wathever
But getting him drunk and taking advantage of him? What did you expect was going to happen? Did you really thought that you would rape all the ""biggotry"" out of him?
That transgender had a terrible time but is lucky someone was recording and is lucky the guy he raped was content with just yelling because there is some real chances that anyone who pulls this shit will be severely beaten up or worse like I know asking for it with drinking and dressing slutty is a thing but there is acting like a whore and there is raping a guy and then sleeping next to him just waiting for him to wake up not drunk and see what happens
Putting morality and law aside this is suicidal, do transgenders really think doing this is safe?
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>>40252815
A few months ago, I had cosmetic surgery. It was to correct a congenital deformity that became from puberty onwards. It's something that's still difficult to talk about in detail, and it made me feel so worthless and disgusted with myself that I sank into a depression. Eventually, I tried to hang myself when I was 16. A few months ago, I got it fixed. It cost $13 thousand, and I paid for it all myself. I got a job and saved up, putting off college because this was much more important. Despite the fact that I would likely have killed myself if I hadn't gotten the surgery, I still didn't expect anyone else to fund it. I worked to achieve my own happiness, despite how difficult it was to get there. It's no where near the seriousness as changing genders, but it was still the most important event in my life thus far. My point is that you have to work for what you have, and not expect others to do it for you. I could never imagine demanding that someone else's tax dollars pay for my surgery, no matter how important it was to me. It's my problem to deal with, just as other people's problems are there's.
tldr: Charity should not be forced, and everyone should work to improve their OWN lives.
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>>40253064
Why you gotta be mean to me. And Id hope my views are reasonable, its in my best interest seeing as I am trans!

>>40253089
>explain action movies.
Its not the same lol. When you have drag queens, you have a wide variety of different makeup and style looks you can do, and people love seeing all that. Im not even speaking for myself but its true. There is no audience for people walking down the runway in what, tuxes or something etc. I mean drag kings do exist, but it has not developed into the empire that drag queens have built.

>youre playing semantics
No, Im not lol. And those are horrible examples. Sure your biological sex would effect how you literally get raped like you described, but in no way does it remotely determine how your every day life pans out.

Also, while a specific gay gene has not been discovered, there actually has been a discovered frequency change in a certain part of dna in gay people. And as far as the whole women being bisexual thing, it is known that women are a bit more sexually fluid, I think its both biological and social
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>>40252996
Literally fuck off and die.

>don't stick your dick
I'm a (mostly) heterosexual, virgin woman. Your ad hominem shit doesn't phase me.

>perverts
Then maybe you should get to know someone first, then! There are plenty of people who aren't perverts who would be down to date a transperson. Hell, I had a crush on my MTF coworker before and after she changed. I am no pervert and have zero interest in traps as a fetish.

>defending racism
I never defended racism. The fact you have to rely on straw man to I justify rape shows how morally and logically bankrupt you are.

Racism is bad. I don't think that makes it okay to force a white racist ti have sex against their will. I also don't think that prisoners in jail deserve rape because I'm not a fucking monster like you who thinks rape and other forms of torture are acceptable responses to wrong doing.

If a transphobe cares, then they have the right to consent. Maybe they'd should learn to accept transpeople and be kind, but lying and raping them through the omission of truth is not okay. You don't get to make your deceit their problem by hautily going "lol y u so bothered by the idea of sex with a man lolololol".

Inb4 "u mad" and other 9gag shit
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>>40248323
In my experience they get off on being treated poorly, at least the ones who post here Wich is something I understand because I have similar fucked up fetishes
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>>40253234
Just to let you know Im trans and agree with you lol, what that person is saying is actually alarming
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>>40253212
*denies you a job because of your deformity*
good luck saving money. I'm just saying it's okay to help them.
I'm not saying everyone gets stuff for free.
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>>40253217
Because you're obviously new here. It's either the way you type or your overly fluffy sentiments. You're reminding me of girls I know irl and how they type, which I hate.
What brings you here, anyhow? You don't seem the type to browse a board that hates women, and more especially MtFs (I'm assuming?)
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mentally ill. Fucked up food supply, water supply, and culture that encourages (whites) to betray their birth-given gender and further decrease their species population.

Just paving the way for niggers and to a lesser extend spics as the slaves of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Duponts, etc.
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>>40252934
False equivalency. Names are just words we call ourselves/each other. Gender is determined before we are born and stays the same until the day we die. It's coded in our genetics and cannot be truly changed.
>inb4 sex and gender are different. They really aren't if you think about it. DNA determines sex, other biological aspects determine gender (including DNA). Sex is a part of gender.
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>>40248228
They can't get a girl so they become a girl
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>>40253292
Im not that new! I get how things work here and I spent a while just lurking before posting, also yes Im mtf. And idk, not that anybody cares, but I just found this community interesting and I can relate to a lot here, as well as provide what I think is a unique voice on being trans.
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LOL. You kids are funny. Once you get over the virgin rage, you'll be okay. Mostly.

Although, you /pol/types should be careful. There seems to be an AWFUL lot of you padding our ranks, and interestingly its usually from the most voficerous anti-tranny posters.

Methinks y'all doth protest too much. TTFN!

>t. tranny
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>>40253212
As society advances, it may see these sorts of surgeries as something necessary for human happiness, longevity and good mental health. As I stated in a previous post, psychology is a baby science, and the world is only gradually accepting how much mental health can change our productivity as members of a functional society.
It's great that you managed to overcome your own issues by the sweat of your brow, but is it really FAIR? No. I can not fault you for feeling anger over someone with a comparable issue getting help from the masses.
Some people are born without issue. Some have to go through dangerous surgeries just to be functional. Life isn't fair, but perhaps we can make it more fair moving forward, as a SOCIETY. Change begins with the individual. It begins with you.
From the sweat of our brow, we must do many things ourselves. Government waitlists stand for years, and there is no shortage of hoops to jump through to pry any sort of help from the hands of greedy who dictate where our taxes go. Even then, we are given little choice in which surgeon we get, and are more likely to end up some hideous abomination than someone passable as male or female.
It's not productive to compare hardships. My hardship may be greater or lesser than yours, but the idea is to lessen hardship for everyone. For now, we must just deal with the inevitable fact that life is unfair.
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>>40253234
>Accepting peoples irrational, illogical prejudice as a defense.
>Not recognizing such beliefs are based in nothing more than insecurity and hatred.
You know the Greeks didn't consider themselves gay when they had sex with men; only if they were on bottom.
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>>40253091
I love how the only response to gender abolitionism is always violence. Really activates the almonds.

>>40253161
I disagree with you about safety. I could totally see a scenario where a trans person gets tipsy, maybe smooches someone and goes into a room and then realizes this person might be dangerous. In a situation like that, I can get hiding your gender because gay panic is a thing and transpeople have been murdered in these situations.

But other than that, I agree. Consent is paramount.

>>40253217
>it's not the same because I said so

>"it decides if you get raped it not your everyday life"
You don't think rape affects everyday life? What is PTSD? Why the fuck do women go into bathrooms in groups?

>biological and social
And that's my point. I think there's a lot more work to be done and most LGBT activists say gay is genetic as a political argument, and that I worry about.

>>40253282
Thanks, dude. I think most transpeople are like 99% of humanity and want to be with someone who loves them. It's just a few dogmatic loonies on Tumblr who say shit like people shouldn't have to disclose their gender, AIDS status, etc.

>note: not conflating transness with AIDS, just noting that these people tend to believe in obscuring both statuses
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>>40253330
Expect gender and sex and defined scientifically as different things...So..you know...deny science I guess...
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>>40248228
google sexual mimicry
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>>40253391
>because a belief is wrong, that makes it okay to invalidate someone's human rights
Well, I'm an atheist who thinks religion is retarded. Better go rape some nuns because clearly having bad or irrational beliefs makes it open season on their ass.

>the Greeks perceived..
Obviously. Most modern people don't think that way and one mind set isn't inherently superior. Both the ancient Greeks and people of today have a right to make sexual decisions based on their current value system regardless of what that value system is.
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>>40248228
They are fucking closet gays that should just suck dick/eat pussy and call it even.
They are not women/men that they think they are.
Faggots who cant embrace who they are and are mental weirdos.
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>>40253363
Sure, whatever.
Just try and type normally. The more you do so the more you can step in line with the rest of the trannies (and everyone else desu) lurking on this site.
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>>40253403
>its not the same because I said so.
No, its not the same because of the explanation I provided that you failed to address but okay.

>you dont think rape affects everyday life?
where did I say that. Its just completely irrelevant to how biological sex matters in a trans persons average day. You still havent provided one good point as to how a passing trans person needs to think about how their genitals will impact their days.

>and thats my point
No, my point is that sexuality is largely genetic and often women are inclined to be bisexual and I believe that is genetic too. However, socially it is more acceptable for women to experiment a bit anyway, and I think that is why theres more instances of women discovering their bisexuality.

>>40253494
I dont care to follow what the other trans people do on here lol
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>>40248228
Transgender is a good song by Crystal Castles.

Otherwise - no opinion.
I've never seen one IRL (also never seen a nigger), may as well think they're myth.
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>>40253466
Only if you think being gay is so disgusting that it makes you less human?
Your religious metaphor makes zero sense.
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>>40253289
I never said it wasn't ok to help them. I agree that those who want to SHOULD, in fact. Just that I don't believe other people should be FORCED to.
I also don't think they should be denied jobs simply for being trans. They should be hired if they meet the job requirements, just like everyone else should.
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>>40253531
It's not following what trans people do on here, it's following what everyone else does on here.
I guess you could keep typing like that, but have fun being called LARPer or roastie and none of your arguments being given credibility.
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>>40253531
>failed to address
Fuck me.

>there's lots of styles!
Yeah. And there's spy movies, cowboy movies, war movies...

>no tuxedo catwalks
You're fucking delusional if you think that the only reason there isn't more male models is that feminity is somehow inherently more entertaining.

>passing
Because they didn't always pass, retard. When they were a kid, they were treated differently and that affects their income, education, personality, socialization, etc.

>muh genetics with no support
Nice reductionist argument.

>>40253550
You're so stupid it hurts.

>if you think gay is
I love how you have to strawman me a a /pol/tard because subtlety is beyond you.

Let me spell it out.

You: It's okay to lie to someone about something to get sex if that something means they're a bigot!
Me: Two wrongs don't make a right.
You: It does if their beliefs are based on fear and hate!
Me: religious people seem to me to base their beliefs in fear and hate, does that mean it's okay for me to hurt them?
You: that no make sense

Simple enough?

>>40253582
This. If someone can do the job who cares who or what they are. It's be art for the defence of worker and employer rights.
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>>40248228
Actual trans people have been around for a while and they were mentally ill and killed themselves.

The current rise of transgenderism are people adopting this label to seek validation from others because they have peripheral mental illnesses but not gender dysphoria itself. Every trans person I've known suffered from bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.
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>>40248228
Its just a fetish or social contrarian for the "down with cis" and "gender is a spectrum" types. The future will probably allow them to fully transition but right now their attempts to force people to disregard truth is sickening.
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>>40253761
tfw no superior pol intellect.
guess ill have to watch more rick and morty!!
haha seriously though youre so far in your own ass, it will be years before you realize how much of an apologistic idiot youre acting like.
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>>40253930
>against sexual abuse
>supportive of workers rights
>no hatred of gays or transsexuals
>you call me /pol/ because I pointed out you're a creepy, desperate weirdo okay with lying for sex who isn't smart enough to slither around my very basic ethical arguments

Also, how the fuck is what I'm saying "apologetics"? The closest thing I said to apologetics was that's i understood a transperson obscuring their gender for their own safety's sake - but I also specified how this situation was distinct from the majority of what I was talking about.

Hey retard, how about googling shit before you use a word you picked up from r/changemyview or whatever?
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>>40254079
>trans people have to disclose because it's literally rape if they dont
>defending gay/trans panic as a valid excuse to sue someone
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>>40254139
Good. Now you're getting it. It's wrong to lie to someone to get sex. Glad we had this chat.
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>>40254179
its only lying if you think trans people are trying to trick you.
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>>40248323
this
but there are the ones that cant just not mention that they are trans at all times which is sorta autistic, but i know a few that are actually very kind people, dont know why anyone would really want to be a cunt to the ones that are desu
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>>40254266
Definitely! And regardless of the validity of someone's views, they have a right to make decisions about their sex life accordingly. Glad you're finally learning how not to sexually abuse people.
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>>40248228
Dick cutt off? No no
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>>40254139
>sue
You should be so lucky.
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>>40248228
As long as they aren't pushing anyone or hurt others then I'm just fine with them. If anything it's only self harm.



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