I stayed a virgin untill I was 22 and probably went on dates with 20 or so men. Basically any guy under 30 that asked me out. I always wanted to save my virginity for the one but no one would date me longer than a month since I didn't open my legs for them.As of 6 months ago I started seeing a guy and decided to just give it up because I was going crazy with loneliness. Needless to say, it worked . Hes been dating me for 6 months but my old internet friends are calling me a whore because I didn't wait for marriage. Are they just jealous or am I doing something wrong?
well obviously you are a whore
with all due respect, you are hilariously mistaken to come here and ask for advice for this topic.provided it's not fabricated. P.S. Don't you have anyone else to talk to about this?
>>41115526>not saving yourself for marriage>low quality bait thread>actually responding
>>41115632Not really I don't have friends besides the internet people that habe disowned me. Most of them hang out of 4chan so I figure I'll ask their "people " .
>>41115526All you had to do was date a religious man who would wait with you or marry right out of high school. But no, you just had to give into your stacey instincts.
>>41115526Well you better make sure you stay with this guy or the next guy you're going to get is in for a disappointment unless you obtain a cuck.
>>41115697Religious men never hit on me to be honest. I was raised in church and homeschooled so I pretty much knew every single religious guy in mt small town and none of them so much as tried to have a conversation with me.Wouldn't you have ? I'm too awkward for girls so even platonic friendship has always been impossible for someone like me. My only real draw is my slim body. I have nothing else to offer in exchange for affection. So was I supposed to live like a nun with no affection till I died? Would that be the correct alternative?
>>but my old internet friends are calling me a whore because I didn't wait for marriage. Do you regularly post on Mormon youth forums or something? That's such a petty thing to break up a relationship over.
>>41115720What disappointment is that? I've been with this one for 6 months. But I don't believe it will last as I think it's only the fact that I gave him sex that made him stay longer than the rest. Since its become apparent that my body and sex is all I have to even get a relationship, I imagine I might just be unlovable as a person, so it's really not up to me. I can't stop my body from aging so once thats subpar thatll be the end anyway.
>listening to people from r9k about loveAre you literally retarded? Of course men are two faced. They like to talk about purity like it's great but really they all want sluts. You could get many more dates by being a porn star than by being a prude, and the guys the porn star would end up with would probably be more fun than the virgin lovers because guys who seek out purity tend to either be socially stunted or have a huge stick up their bum.
Is it only men judging you? I'm waiting till marriage, and I really couldn't care less what you do, nor do I judge you for it. Do other women call you a whore?
>>41115846No but most if them I've been friends with since my anime forum days as a teen.
>>41115916Mostly I want to know why my old friends ditched me. Have you ever been ditched by your only friends? Feels bad
>>41115526Nibba why you lyin
>>41115929No I don't really have female friends. Girls don't like me no matter what I'm doing haha >>41115978
>>41115973Because they were lonely men and they're mad that they can't think of you as a qt potential waifu, probably. Chances are they were secretly crushing on you.
>>41115526They're not wrong. You're a whore, but whatever floats your boat, man. Just own it. You're a whore; that's just who you are now.
>>41116004Well there's your problem then. Men don't want friendship from women, they're always going to see you as a potential romantic interest (unless they're gay). They're jealous.
They were secretly crushing on you and now that you're taken they feel cucked.
>>41116025Nice b8 m8 now go masturb8.
>>41116065Not sure how what I said is bait? Just because I hold different opinions than you?There's nothing wrong with being a whore.
>>41116025Why am I a whore ? What makes me more of a whore than someone in a regular relationship ? Im Monogomous And faithful so what's the issue ?
>>41115526Guys literally only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting!
>>41116036I suppose that makes sense. I was stupid to think they'd be different than any other guy I dated or am currently dating .
>>41115787Out of curiosity did you ever call other girls whores or say you really were waiting for marriage just to tell people 'hehe i did it with my boyfriend'P.s. assuming this isn't bait telling people you fucked someone is whore like behavior. At least pretend to be innocent ffs
>>41116113Because you weren't married when you had sex. It's a matter of opinion, but in mine you are a whore. I hope you two get married; it would redeem you somewhat.
>>41116039they sound like jealous virgins to me. Good on you OP, sex is a wonderful thing that makes life great, especially when you do it with someone you really care about. Sex is a valuable and powerful thing that should be shared with people you care about, just don't throw it around like mardi gras beads. The "wait until marriage" crowd literally don't know what at they're missing, once you have sex you realize how normal it feels and wonder why you made such a big deal about it.
>>41116119I've noticed . I kind of regret saving myself so long when there was nothing to save myself for to begine with.Literally every single guy has just valued me for my sexuality.
>>41115787You fucked yourself. Religious men saw or heard you agreeing to date every man who would ask and assumed that you were whoring like the rest of the staceys. What were they supposed to think? You were seeing a new man every week: put yourself on the outside and you would think there was whoring going on too. Whoring is an instant disqualifier for a religious man's wife, so no duh he isn't going to try to date you. It became a self fulfilling prophecy. You dated like you were whoring and you became exactly that.Also, the dating dynamic is completely different in the church: a religious man won't ask you out the way Chad thundercock does.
>>41116119 Fucking is far from disgusting babe, you should try it Some time, sounds like you need it.
>>41115526Do you live in London?Does your name start with an N?Insane coincidence if so.
>>41116205it's a meme wew
>>41116169Why? Marraige is just a piece of paper that says you'll be loyal to eachother. You can decide to do that without contracts that are only about finances to begine with .
>>41116113because r9k's definition of a whore is woman who has sex outside of marriage. proper conservative like.
Nothing wrong with sleeping together in a faithful monogamos relationship. Although you sound like a whore so you'll probably cheat and be doing one night stands soon enough.
>>41116226>let's the state decide whether s/he is married or notDisgusting. You're worse than I thought. Marriage is not a piece of paper; it's an emotional contract between two individuals. It has nothing to do with some phony license or paper.
Conservative men probably saw you agreeing to go on dates and thought you weren't serious about waiting. Just like they see me abstaining and assume I want to be a submissive housewife. Humans are very liable to shortcut their assumptions about people, it's nothing new.
>>41116197I didn't get asked out at all in church as a teen. I didn't go on a single date untill I was 19. Religious men simply didn't like me, I think it was because they associated me with my family and my family was dirt poor. We were looked down on in my church. Also using the term "Chad thundercock " kind of makes you come off as retarded
>>41116113Serial monogamy is just a woman's emotional way to rationalize her promiscuity. My mom did it day 1 of her separation from dad: "Its okay, I'm faithful to my boyfriend, so I'm not a whore while I call other women whores," said the whore in denial.
>>41116207Nope I'm in Canada. My name is Rachel >>41116267
>>41115526https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z_vKdRoTnkr9k's theme song
>>41116359Hi Rachel, you're a big cum guzzling whore.
>>41116359Fuck you Rachel. Of course you live in Canada. What a fucking state this country is in.
>>41116330>associated me with my family and my family was poor.And why wouldn't they associate you with your family? It is rational to be associated with one's family.If I came from a family of wife beating alcoholics, why would any woman give me the benefit of the doubt? Even if I never hit anyone or took a single sip of wine: the possible still exists that I would eventually become that too: so there is nothing wrong with associating me in such a way.
>>41116257Why do u sound like a whore? I never even got touched sexually or kissed prior to this. I don't even like sex , my libidi died at 21. I just like being near another person who will hug me at night.
>>41116179Idk. I dont like sex much its ok but its felt like i chore i have to do for him from the start . Not a hard or terrible one but more like giving someone a massage
>>41116455I didn't say there was. But you were assuming I was doing this since my teenhood . But the fact is, religious guys tend to be snobs so there's nothing I could have done to get one anyway .
>>41116359Very close description to a friend of mine from university
>>41116456RED FLAG!!!!!!! Your boyfriend needs to run! If he sticks around or marries you, by year 4 you will turn off the sex completely. Then by year 8 you'll divorce him cause you "just fell out of love" or "he's just not meeting my needs anymore"
How would you react if the guy your with now cheated on you or dumped you?
>>41116621Drive to her house and fuck that bitch up
>>41116608I have no idea but more likely he'll leave me for someone younger by then since I'm not actually likable. It's only my body that attracts men so ones that's subpar...so much for my one draw lol
>>41116531>religious guys tend to be snobs.Sounds to me that you weren't attracted to them at all. You don't call people you like names.Every church has at least 1 or 2 "Religion induced robots" hiding out somewhere. All you had to do was find one, and actually engage the robot consistently and eventually his software would install a "Thisgirllikesme" patch. And just like that you have a loyal (and damaged) husband for life. But girls don't do that, because they find robots to be pathetic and disgusting. It's much easier to say "men are disgusting pigs who only want one thing" then put in the work of finding the minority of men who actually want a faithful relationship with his wife.
>>41116621Id be pretty depresed I'd like to say id leave but I don't think I could handle being alone again
>>41115526What kinda fucking friends do you have?70 years old Christian grandmas
>>41116778I was extremly socially awkward as a teen and MOST people treated me either horribly or condecendingly if they interacted with me at all.So why do you assume I had anymore ability to go up and befriend them than supposed robots? Getting out of church with its judgmentalness was the best thing that happened to my social skills
>>41116710The only thing that men find completely off putting in a woman is open misandry. There are men out there that would find your self deprecating pessimism to be endearing, but they are the weird ones that most women find repulsive.
>>41115526You aren't a whore, but I wouldn't date you.Expect him to break up with you at the ~1-2 year mark. Have fun with that aftermath, lol
>>41116855Yes, some churches are toxic; however, some are not. I'm sorry to hear that your experience with your church damaged your perception of them as a whole. But I wonder, has this toxic church had a negative impact on your view of God and the bible? I apologize if I am prying too much.
>>41115526if a guy only dates you if they get sex they will leave you once they get bored with the sex, so max 2 years
If you were actually a girl and not a LARPer, roastie memes aside you sound very sad and broken. Feels bad man
>>41116901This. The types of men who leave after 1 month of no-sex dating are also the types of men who leave after 1 year of sex dating. I doubt your current bf is any different than the other men. By giving him your virginity, you have only delayed this occurrence.Of course, I could be wrong and he is your soul mate.
>>41116901Why not ? This is useful intell. Spill your guts and I'll be greatful . I'm a size 3, I cook , I don't expect to be paid for on dates .. idk what's so wrong with me?
>>41117019Probably but I've been looking for years and I haven't found a single man that's different in real life. .towards me that is. What should I have done different?
>>41117047> idk what's so wrong with me?You're a man pretending to be a bear perfect woman on the internet. So many threads here of guys pretending to be these shy rejected women who have only the most positive of traits.
>>41117100The same thing I should have done: find a steady partner while in highschool and married as soon as I/you could afford it.But it is too late for that now. It is by far too late.
>>41117104Dude, don't break the illusion. Its fun to pretend a woman like that actually exists. It means I'm not suffering alone.
>>41117104.... I just said I am unlikable in general . What about that is me pretending to be perfect ? If you think being uptight for 5 years straight is 'the perfect woman' you might have the lowest possible standards
>>41117156I never went to highschool at all. Homeschooled remember ? So you're saying there's nothing at all I could have done. That's strangely comforting
>>41116949Yes I became an atheist at 17 . Christianity as a whole just seems convaluted to me and the people in it seem generally unrelatable and lacking in objectivity .
>>41117176Message me on kik. Temporaryphase Oi vey you people kill me
>>41117197>Cares about her moral character>Only one sexual partner>wants love and romance>not extremely fat>doesn't expect the man to always pay>knows how to cookThere are no women this good IRL
>>41117197What is perfect to normies is not perfect for robots and vice versa. The socially awkward girl is perfect to a robot because he (erroneously) thinks this means she will put up with his own issues. A robot knows that a normie 'perfect' girl would loathe him, so he doesn't find her attractive.
>>41117288There are much better actually but most of them are farm girls and married.. I've got more than enough deal breaking flaws to over shadow my attempts to be accepted that you see as "good traits".
>>41117286I kik'd you, assuming you're the fembot. I can't follow these threads.
>>41117386Name your flaws then, I'm sure they're just more thinly veiled positives
>>41117266I'm sorry to hear that. I believe Christianity is a beautiful religion, but so many churches develop cultures that are poisonous to its ideals.
>>41117286Sorry, but I have a firm "no mixing 4chan with anything else" policy. I need to stay anonymous for my own sanity.
>>41115787>My only real draw is my slim body. I have nothing else to offer in exchange for affection.You sound like a fucking whore, lmao.>wahh wahhh nobody will hug me>I know, how about I become a cum socket, maybe they will like meI don't know you but you sound pathetic, keep tumbling down.
I wouldn't date a girl that told me she's saving it for marriage because in the back of my mind I would think she already had sex before and just wants to trick me.
>>41117487Same, I am unable to trust women after the stuff I've seen online and in real life.
>>41115561fpbpKill yourself you stupid whore
What do the opinions of internet people you'll never meet matter to you anyways? So long as you're happy, and your bfs happy, who cares? The men who really care about virginity are terrible anyway, because invariably I've found that's ALL they care about and don't care about anything else about me. Enjoy being a normal, functional human being.
>>41115526He's only dating you because you are putting out. Stop having sex with for a week and see what happens.
>>41117510Me too, all this redpill stuff pretty much ruined women for me. Even if only 25% of it is true, I think I'm gonna be alone the rest of my life.
>>41117403I'm extremely forgetful to the point I barely hold on to entry level jobs and I lose everything that i don't use all the time. Memory = shit I don't trust anyone and sometimes I'll tell my boyfriend that I think he's only using me for sex , which is probably quite hurtful , but the thought doesn't cross my mind when I'm being self pitying. I have 0 aim in life and 0 ability to make friends. All I do is work pointless jobs to pay my bills because I don't believe I'm intelligent enough for any kind of career so I don't even try to move up. All I do is indulge in random hobbies and live like a hermit
>>41117487This. this. this. A woman says, "I'm saving it for marriage," but a man hears, "I am giving it/have given it to someone who is not you" or "I just don't love you that way. Let's be friends"
>>41117540tHIS IS so originalFuck off back (oregano) to face book, normie. more original content
>>41117559I didn't have sex with him for 2.5 months when we first started dating . We don't have sex once a week to begine with. He isn't a crazed dog.
>>41117644It's true though. I've never met a man who valued my virginity less than the person I am, thus they are shit partners.
>>41117586You're not the kind of woman that should save herself for marriage. That's only meant for good people who are worth marrying. You're subhuman trash. Partake in degeneracy with the rest of the chaff. Nobody gives a fuck.
>>41117487I never said I was saving it for marriage. I was saving it for someone that would date me for 4 months with no sex. That's all
>>41115526Well you are not a whore anon, but you should have continued to save your virginity for somebody who is willing to wait as long (there are still people like that and you can be 100% they are not with you for just the sex)
>>41117723>4 months then sex.That is the most arbitrary shit I've ever hear.
>>41115526You're not a whore and the peopole that post here have a skewed view of whatever the fuck is going on in the real world. You got a boyfriend? Good. You enjoy his company? Good. Sex is good ? Good, now go do some gay ass couple shitHave half a mind to think this is some retarded attentionwhoring post, in that case, you're an attentionwhore, but not a whore
>>41117586I don't see any deal breakers here, just minor flaws, men don't care about stuff like drive to achieve in women. Come on man, this character is too good waifu material, give her a fatal flaw.
>>41115903good sex is at the basis of every relationship + its super fun.... youre not a victim, just enjoy it. You didnt GIVE him sex, you 2 together had sex, you know its not a fucking prize to give someone. you think girls wouldnt leave a man because he wouldnt want to have sex?Paople enjoy sex and dont see it as souch a big thing, you are the one overexagrating it's importance
>>41117577I really don't know what your be risking by testing redpills theories. I dated men for 5 years thinking they were likely unable to actually care about me as they value sex over the person but i tried anyway. Granted, I simply proved myself right about men but that might just be me. The hope of finding connection should be worth the risk of proving what you already believe to be true.
>>41117791He already gave her a fatal flaw. She is not a virgin. Robots want a virgin gf so they can learn the joys of sex together.
>>41117669Virginity is part of the person you are. That's like being addicted to drugs and saying 'i've never met a person who valued my personality more than my drug addiction'.Being a virgin denotes various personality traits as well as an alignment with traditional values and there's a strong correlation between female virginity and being a good wife. It's entirely relevant to the person you are.
>>41117841I'd wager most robots don't really care. As long as the women isn't a big whore. Maybe if OP said she lost it in a one night stand with a Chad or something, but he went the relationship route which is more forgiving.
>>41117801As I don't like sex it really is me "giving " it to him. My worry is that it's all he wants.And if it isn't a prize why will men do pretty much anything and say anything to get it from me?
>>41117868But I don't aspire to be a traditional wife, and I'd rather be valued for being well read and well spoken than some bit of skin in my vagina. It's literally just sex, and reduces me to an object of sex just as much as being a slutty girl does. Either way, men only view women in terms of sex, thus making me not want to date any men.
>>41117781Is it? I figure if someone actually likes you they could deal with a test like that.
>>41117655Probably because he's fucking other women and sees you as a source for easy pussy.
>>41117941Hah. That's a pretty strong view point. I agree with you that it sucks but I'm simply not tough enough to deal with being alone.. If I had friends in real life id probably not bother dating at all but such is my lot in life .
>>41117893No, her story is even worse. Because now she's not a virgin AND emotionally invested herself in another man. Rather she would have been pumped and dumped through meaningless sex desu
>>41117791its far from a deal breaker but from my own experience people with those kinds of flaws turn into a drag on the relationship. she doesnt have any drive or will power to improve her life beyond what she already has and those behavioral quirks will do nothing but keep her a few steps back from her peers.
>>41117973I really can't say. Honestly as long as I don't have no know aboit it I don't care . I've never let myself think it's real.
OP post some nudes, that picture is pretty close to it and I want to see how good your body actually isalso I hope you have a bush
>>41118045Yup. I work pretty hard when I habe a job in front of me, but i have no ambition to fix my life. Im a quitter when it comes to intimidating things like change and or failure .
>>41117993I'd rather be alone than be with a man. It's not even that I'm misandrist, or whatever. It's just the simple fact that while women are often divided into "virgin whore" both are reducing us to base biology.
>>41117949And there is the fatal flaw of women: relationships become games and tests rather than what they should be: companionship.If you want a man to love you, stop treating him like a dog that you force to jump through hoops.
Why are you even in a relationship if you don't like sex? If you aren't enjoying it and it feels like a chore then you don't actually have feelings for him.
>>41118116That will last until you get the baby rabies in your 30s. Have fun with that.
>>41117941Firstly, it's objectively, observably false that men only value all women for sex. Men only value SHIT women for sex and most women are shit, so it can appear that men only value women for sex.My implication in my previous post was that eschewing promiscuity (especially being a virgin) is valuable for personality traits it demonstrates that aren't necessarily related to 'just some bit of skin in your vagina'.Also, it's not 'literally just sex'. There is a strong correlation between female sex partner count and marriage unhappiness/divorce. Those are just statistics over a large sample size and not necessarily indicative of any individual but men have to make decisions based on available information. Even the men that are unaware of the stats instinctively feel that promiscuous females are more likely than their virginal or low partner count counterparts to be trash partners. If you have a choice, why take the one you feel is likely to be inferior?
When he dumps you will you be my gf please
>>41117893I wouldn't date someone who was addicted to the internet like a robot and if I ever found 4chan in their internet history to an excessive amount id likely leave. Robots are the most abusive men I have ever met. Most men do only value women for their bodies but most also don't have anything personal against women. Robots will actively try to emotionally fuck you up if they feel at all betrayed by you as I found out. Not boyfriend or even friend material
>>41118225I'm just lonely, you must've met chadlet cyborgs. True robots are betas.
>>41118119I'm not forcing him to do anything. But trust is earned and if you expect someone to trust you have to show yourself to be a trust worthy person.
>>41118165Eh. I'll probably have killed myself by then. >>41118200Even so, it's still not valuing me for being a person independent of my relation to men, which is what I crave. Men very rarely rave about their girlfriends or wives being intelligent, or funny, or interesting, or independent, or any character quality beyond what they are as a woman in relation to men (i.e. faithful, submissive etc.). It's still not being viewed as anything more than an object of male possession.
>>41118260>Men very rarely rave about their girlfriends or wives being intelligent, or funny, or interesting, or independentMaybe alpha males don't, when my gf got accepted into med school I'd tell anyone who would listen. I'm so proud of her, guys talk about how funny and smart their gfs are all the time.
>>41118162Eh I don't hate it and I like seeing him happy but the thing itself is a bit uncomfortable if it lasts too long.I'm with him because I'm quite honestly just sick of being alone . I want someone to talk to and to hold me at night and to pay attention to me and to make me feel safe. He does all that so I'm ok with giving him sex.
>>41118112>but i have no ambition to fix my life. Im a quitter when it comes to intimidating things like change and or failure.the sad part is that other people are instinctively turned off by that kind of behavior and at some point your partner will think to themselves "i can probably do better" and it will all start to unravel from there. even if you try to hold him down by getting pregnant or something he will just end up resenting you for holding him in place for so long.i dont want to be to harsh on you but honestly your best bet is probably finding a guy just as pathetic as you and you two can have a nice pathetic life together. just avoid drugs and alcohol, i can easily see chemicals like that dragging you down even further.
>>41118332>giving him sexyou're going about this all wrong and will continue to feel the same unless your attitude changes.
>>41118260They can't help it really . It's in theit biology to view women as "things" to be kept. Men don't even believe we have character as individuals they think it only exists if a male authority figure beat it into us
>>41118365I don't see what's wrong with my attitude. It's just a logical choice. If I don't give him sex he will leave, as I don't want him to leave I give him sex. It works. What's the issue? My libido died when I was 21 and it's rarely returned. I was told long term depression does that.
>>41118327I said rarely, clearly you're in the rare category.>>41118376I know they can't help it, but its why I don't want a man.
>>41115526this seems too genuine to be a larp, comes to show how common knowledge this place is now i supposeyour friends say youre a whore because they feel posessive of you and like your attention means more if youre not getting fucked by someone else even if they dont think theyre ever gonna be with youjust bee yourself n shit, no one really cares
>>41118445It's not rare, only the macho alpha types don't hype up their lovers. Most women only want those types though.
>>41118260I disagree that valuing chasteness only relates to valuing that chasteness relating to sex. It shows restraint, good decision making, a propensity for accepting delayed gratification, etc, all of which are traits which are beneficial outside of your sexuality.It sounds like you're just not very interesting, fun to be around or nearly as great as you think you are. I value my fiancee highly for many things that have nothing to do with her relation to me. She's one of VERY FEW girls I've ever met that I can talk to for more than 5 minutes without getting bored. All of the other guys I know who have great partners value their person as well and often talk about something cool they did or are proud of their recent accomplishments.
>>41118549In my experience, every kind of man focuses first on the physicality of the body, not just alphas.
>>41118439its the logical choice to maintain the status quo but will do nothing to foster the notion of "love" between you two. >My libido died when I was 21 and it's rarely returned.im sorry, its a tough thing to control, especially for women. all i can tell you is that sex is better when you are emotionally invest in your partner, not just fucking for the hell of it. approaching sex as an exchange for goods or services just wont turn you on the right way.
>>41115561fpbp by far. You're just a whore OP.
>>41118376Given the way modern women have been behaving, none of the statements you made are proven wrong.
>>41118594This isn't even in relation to me. It's what I observe in those around me. My siblings, cousins, classmates etc. all react as I say.
>>41116004>No I don't really have female friendsRed flag
>>41118672Yeah, well, most women are hot garbage. That's why you're not valued for anything more than your holes. The rare good women aren't treated like walking vaginas because they have more to offer. It's really that simple.
>>41118686this, women are awful but women who cant socialize with other women are damaged goods.
>>41115526You have to put out if you want a guy to stay with you. It's sad and it shows how shallow men can be, but it's the way things have to be. Men can only develop emotional connections with women through sex, unfortunately.
>>41118628I am emotionally invested. Why else do you think I gave up on my celibacy test for him in particular? I didn't want to lose him so I panicked and let it happen.
>>41118807It's attitudes like this that are the reason I wouldn't date. I hope you find that good woman though.
>>41118661And modern men aren't exactly saints are they? You treat people (women) like shit the very moment they aren't doing exactly what you want. Get the fuck off your high horse I've dated plenty of men so you can't pull that bullshit act with me.The fact is that you will so whatever you can get away with and it doesn't matter what kind of character the female has . You will shit all over her to justify your filthy abusive behavior
>>41118807And most men are gems? Please.
>>41118976They are actually, women only really interact with the top 10% of attractive men so woman's opinions of men are skewed.
>>41119018>women only really interact with the top 10% of attractive men so woman's opinions of men are skewed.That is a 4chan meme. Don't fall for that crap; it makes you look ignorant.
>>41119018Men like the ones here who don't fit into that 10% are great are they? Wonderful people? Not bitter and angry and hateful at all?
>>41118807I was a good woman in terms of character for a ling time. I was STILL treated like walking vagina. There's really no pleasing you men at all. You will look down on us no matter what we try to do for you.
>>41119042The majority are bluepilled so nope, they live in blissful ignorance of women's true nature.
>>41118946It's an 'attitude' based on observation and experience. You're almost all boring, annoying, stupid trash. I have found her. We're engaged.>>41118976Most men are trash too. A lower percentage than women as far as I've seen but definitely a majority.
>>41119018Wrong. I went out with nearly every man that asked me except the older men. All of them wanted sex within a week and all of them left when I didn't jump on their dick and ghosted me.
>>41118807I'm a virgin, pretty conservative, well read, capable of being independent, have my own political opinions and interests, and I'm very average looking. Guess what, men don't care about any of that. Still treated like either a walking vagina, or a walking womb (depending on if you're liberal or conservative respectively).
>>41119088That's only because you never had to date them. I doubt a woman's ever tried to rape you
>>41119088You seem pretty damn unpleasant. I don't think you'd meet most people's criteria of a good person. I hope your fiancee doesn't mind.
>>41115526>my old internet friends are calling me a whore because I didn't wait for marriage.Are you living in Dixie or something? Because in most of the world, nobody gives a shit whether or not you wait for marriage.
>>41119043You're overvaluing your worth or chasing promiscuous men. Every single good woman I've met was in a happy long term relationship or marriage with a man who cherished her for who she was.
>>41119154Just shows what kind of men you go for, bitch.
>>41119154You sound fine but see a man's idea of a "good woman " has almost nothing to do with her character or work ethic . To them it's a woman that worships the ground they walk on and has no personality except for reflecting their mates every opinion and agreeing to overt whim
>>41119199I don't GO for men. At all. I literally don't bother at all, this is just the ones who show interest in me. Also clearly you're in the "poor partner" category too.
>>41119154marry me right fucking now
>>41119224Therein lies why men will never be good partners.
>>41119191Maybe so. Doesn't change the fact that men are about as empathetic as doorknobs. You shouldn't have to think someone's the shit to treat them like a human with feelings.
>>41119252Do you view women as sex or breeding though?
>>41119235You must not be as good as you think you are if you attract garbage.
>>41119274lifelong partner, friend, lover, and mother of my children
>>41119280I don't think she does. Most men, even decent men view women as sex objects. They just don't see it as wrong
>>41119263>men>men>men You keep saying that. What you really mean is Chads. The pump-and-dump chads are the only men you ever notice.
>>41119280It's not like I project any of myself when I'm out in public. I don't wear political affiliations, or carry books around. How would you tell who is interesting and who isn't from the street?
If you love your partner truly, then you're attracted to more than their physical aspects. It means you enjoy their company, the conversations, the person that they are.Problem is, no matter how great you think you are, you're just a fucking dumb roastie. Which means nobody would ever want to subject themselves to the torture of spending time with you. Because a roastie is a roastie , and that means they have no redeeming qualities besides their bodies, so all men will tire of them eventually. And since all women are vapid roasties deep down, it's only a matter of time that your partner gets bored of you.
>>41119343Do you really think an internet geek who uses 4chan has landed 20 different Chads? Get a grip, anon. You're out of touch with reality.
>>411193121/2 of those were indeed sex and breeding, and partner could be depending on how you look at it.
>>41119154Those things do not necessarily make you interesting or fun to be around.>>41119155>all men are rapists meme>>41119178I'm unpleasant to shit humans. I meet the criteria of a 'good person' for the people I consider good people and that's really all that matters to me.>>41119263If the only thing you bring of value to the world is your vagina, that's all you'll be seen as. I can empathise with your situation and still come to the conclusion that it's not worth my time or effort to treat you fantastically. Time and effort are limited resources.I'm off to work. If you girls don't want to be seen as vaginas you need to have a personality, have things you're genuinely passionate about, be fun to be around, not be naggy and annoying. Stop overvaluing yourselves and try and be introspective for the first time in your lives.
>>41119343This. I'm not an incel-autist so I don't think OP is a whore but I have a few normalfag friends (like actual normal looking adjusted people)I'm not saying that every one of them would wait a month but I'm sure you could easily find someone if you discussed it beforehand. OP went for guys who probably have access to sex all the time and expected them to wait for no reason.
>>41119416That's just clearly untrue. My best friend is really interesting, loves philosophy, maths, conspiracy theories, cryptozoology, classic literature etc. and has much more to offer than her body. If I weren't gay I'd definitely be interested. Problem is, she's so miserable about how men are that she's legitimately considering dating women.
>>41119473>Those things do not necessarily make you interesting or fun to be around.Maybe they don't, but older people tend to like talking to me. I'm definitely not particularly sociable.
>>41119434>1/2 of those were indeed sex and breedingNo kidding. You think trad/con guys aren't interested in that?I'm just being honest. You asked and I answered.How exactly do you want to be viewed? I don't know what to say.
>>41119473>I'm unpleasant to shit humans. I meet the criteria of a 'good person' for the people I consider good people and that's really all that matters to me.Then they mustn't be a very good judge of character, since compassion and kindness are usually criterion for being decent. Maybe you're just a shitty person and so are the people you admire.
>>41118884What you mean to say is that all the other guys weren't good enough for you, so you wouldn't give them love. But this one is so you gave him love.And you wonder why your earlier bfs didn't stick around. Men aren't stupid they pick up when a girl doesn't want them around.
>>41119343Men do not differ in what they want from women from one class to the next. He'll your crowd of robots views women as things to way more if a server degree than any "Chad " I've ever dated. Like you guys are on a whole other level if hateful. It's one thing to date men that don't want much from me other than sex, it's a whole other and much worse thing to try to date a guy that hates who you are with every fibre if his being . Robots are scary.
>>41119547I want to be viewed as a person with interests, aspirations, ambitions, flaws and qualities. Not just a vagina and a womb.>No kidding. You think trad/con guys aren't interested in that?I'm painfully aware of that, which is exactly why I don't want to get married.
>>41118974You won't hear be defending men: most modern men are garbage humans too. We compliment eachother: Trash whores with Shit bastards.
>>41119039The meme seems true because no woman wants to spend time with me.
>>41117100Connect with him in a way that isnt sex? If you cant, then it was doomed to be sex relationship from the start
>>41119585>I want to be viewed as a person with interests, aspirations, ambitions, flaws and qualities.What do you think being a partner and friend means? Do you have friends who pay no attention to your interests and aspirations? I doubt it. All of that is implied when I say partner and friend. But for some reason you chose to ignore them.
>>41119685But the inclusion of the other stuff negates it, because that was the majority of what you said you view women as. I want me, as a person, to be the first thing valued, THEN sex and motherhood. Conservative men tend to do the opposite.
>>41119495I didn't go for anyone. I wait for men to ask me. I don't think most men like forward girls
>>41119617>The meme seems true because no woman wants to spend time with me.Yeah, it must be because they only want the top 10%...
>>41119714Where did you wait? on tinder?
>>41119585If you want to be valued for any of those things, then cultivate them and use them to accomplish something. Once you accomplish something worthy of being recognized, a man may notice and respond by being attracted to those talents, interests, aspirations, etc. This is what men must do every day of their lives to avoid being alone or to stand out among their peers. If there's nothing you've done or created that you're proud of that took actual hard work, talent, and intelligence then you can't expect people to value you for them.
>>41119563Eh. I liked quite a few of them but honestly none of them really put any time or effort into trying to date me. What made me jump on this guy was kind of silly. He was at my work place and found out I had a flat tire so he went and got me a new one and changed it all before I had to go home and before I even knew I had a flat. Needless to say my celibacy plan took a vacation . *
>>41119658Maybe I can't? Maybe I just like people and they don't particularily like me? Sex is all I got dude
>>41119773They do you fucking homosexual, women don't care about you or I, they ones that do are the ones that want to settle after wasting their youth being sluts.women are fucking worhtless and they are gonna be replaced by fucking robots(literally) in 20 to 30 years
>>41119774Well I work as a cashier at a high traffic plave. Every single date I've had is because of my high interaction job.
>>41119709>But the inclusion of the other stuff negates itHow exactly?>One can only have interest either in the person or the sex/breeding. Not both.Alrighty then. >majority1/2 according to you>I want me, as a person, to be the first thing valued, THEN sex and motherhood.That's fine. Nothing wrong with wanting that.
>>41116169>the bitter virgin's last resort opinion