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Question: What happens when we reach the pinnacle of human otpimization by merging with machines and using regenerative health technology to eliminate every single disease, to enhance muscles without weight lifting, to be healthy and thin without exercise or good diet, to live forever, to enhance IQ to genius level for anyone...

In short, what will happen to humans once we reach the point where everything is easilly attained without 0 effort, what do we do then? Since all humans derive meaning and happiness from struggle and accomplishment.

Any thought experiments out there or any sci-fi that deals with this? Also, how far away are we?
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>>9858095
Good VR is going to be very dangerous for human productivity. Once your glasses can throw you into another world with neural stimulation I predict a fair amount of people will check out of real life.
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>>9858095
so you are saying you are going to modify virtually every part of the human condition EXCEPT for the part that makes us unhappy if we don't accomplish things through struggle.
Bravo OP, most brainlet comment of the day.
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As your abilities increase, more and more complex fields of study become open to you. That's what you'll be doing
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>>9858096
And how would you do that? Artificial struggle?
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>>9858100
How do you modify that? Do you give endorphins and drugs to the whole population?
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Clearly if we can do all this we will also be able to artificially stimulate our brains such that we will never feel bored or that our lives are meaningless
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>>9858199
You can stimulate the brain with electricity. However the problem with stimulation addiction does not go away simply because it's not chemicals. We will obviously also have to solve the problem of addiction.

I believe addiction happens because of the memory of past stimulation, making more of the same level of stimulation less effective. The simple solution then, would be to periodically wipe this memory, so the same level of stimulation is as stimulating as it was originally. And yes, they are working on this too and it's already pretty successful in rats.

We just need to work out some kinks. There is nothing our species can't do
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>>9858095
>>9858165
>Since all humans derive meaning and happiness from struggle and accomplishment.
Except that this wouldn't necessarily be the case if we can reverse engineer the brain. Your brain evolved to feel pleasure from struggle and accomplishment, but it eventually might be possible to live in a perpetual state of happiness without needing to do this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pearce_(philosopher)
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Has /sci/ signed up for cryonics yet?

https://alcor.org/sciencefaq.htm
https://www.cryonics.org/about-us/faqs/
https://www.benbest.com/cryonics/CryoFAQ.html
https://www.cryonicscalculator.com/
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>>9858224
This is tantamount to switching off our reward system, which is designed to help us survive. So a state of perpetual happiness could only work if we had super-advanced, virtually all-knowing and benevolent AIs taking care of us as if we are their pets. The trouble is that they can never be literally all knowing, and while our reward systems are switched off, something could go horribly wrong that no one not even the AIs could have predicted and prevented from happening. We will be completely helpless.
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>>9858239
Instead of just being pets to superintelligent AIs, why couldn't we just use technology to become superintelligent and virtually all-knowing ourselves?
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>>9858095
Humans don't need to exist. There is nothing optimal about humans, we are just a temporary step of evolution. It's inevitable that "humans" cease to exist.
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>>9858243
Because of the aforementioned problem of struggle equaling pain.
>>9858224
>The function of pain will be provided by some other signal, without the unpleasant experience.
I sincerely doubt this other signal will not still be subjectively experienced as pain. This reads like nonsense
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>>9858199
The same way you edited people into being permanently jacked and thin without any effort and eliminated every single disease: magic.
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>>9858249
>Because of the aforementioned problem of struggle equaling pain.
But why couldn't we re-engineer the brain so that struggle is no longer painful?
>I sincerely doubt this other signal will not still be subjectively experienced as pain. This reads like nonsense
Why do you think this?
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>>9858253
Because of the simple function of what pain is supposed to make us do. Get away from the thing that causes us harm or death. Harm and death need to be unpleasant or will not avoid them and die.
Classic example of people with a rare condition where people do not feel pain: they are constantly accidentally harming themselves, and must be under constant supervision so that they do not die. They are complete cripples. This is what we're asking for when we dream of a painless existence
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>>9858258
>Because of the simple function of what pain is supposed to make us do. Get away from the thing that causes us harm or death. Harm and death need to be unpleasant or will not avoid them and die.
Except that pain isn't necessarily the ONLY possible mechanism for preventing organisms from harm/death. There are plenty of designs created by evolution that are far less than ideal. Take the human eye, for instance. Our retinas are backwards, but you're stupid if you think that it's physically impossible for a retina to exist that isn't backwards.
>Classic example of people with a rare condition where people do not feel pain: they are constantly accidentally harming themselves, and must be under constant supervision so that they do not die. They are complete cripples. This is what we're asking for when we dream of a painless existence
Except that with transhumanist technology, your body would likely be far less fragile than it currently is. You could potentially have your organic body parts replaced with bionic parts, made from nanoengineered materials that are virtually impossible to damage.
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>>9858258
then we should focus our efforts on minimizing the things that cause us harm and death, and not the other way around. we're doing a pretty good job of it so far, let's just keep doing that.
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>>9858095
The enhanced people kill the non enhanced ones.
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>>9858258
Pain is a very annoying feeling, we could reprogram our brain to create a tactile sensation that doesnt make you scream when your body part is injured and instantly lets you know exactly where in your body the sensation is coming from.
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>>9858273
>Except that pain isn't necessarily the ONLY possible mechanism for preventing organisms from harm/death
It's like saying there is more than one way for wetness to be wet or for redness to be red. No, redness is red and that's all there is to it. It's a subjective sensation, not a physical design. They are qualia and they stand completely apart from how the eye is designed. But let's not get into that debate.
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>>9858283
This doesn't make any sense. Pain is a subjective sensation generated by the physical design of your brain. You seem to be conflating the qualia of pain with ALL possible mechanisms for preventing injury/death within mind design space.
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>>9858291
You keep saying there are so many ways of doing that but you haven't named one yet. Go ahead
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>>9858308
>Gradients of bliss like what David Pearce proposes
>Having a body that is virtually indestructible
>Extremely enhanced healing abilities
>Some kind of automated system where your brain automatically stops you from doing things that increase damage
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>>9858315
I can't imagine "blissfully" recoiling from something that just bit off my finger. At best, I can picture myself slowly and blissfully moving my hand away, looking at it, and going "...duuuuuude", then dying.
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>>9858315
The second two are going about the problem backwards, which I have no issue with. The last one again relies on AI to do the work for me, and me trusting that it will do it right 100% of the time.
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>>9858095
>In short, what will happen to humans once we reach the point where everything is easilly attained without 0 effort, what do we do then?
"everything" won't ever be easily attained with no effort, you can always move onto the bigger things
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>>9858330
if self-driving cars actually increase safety, why not self-driving people? ai is already pretty trustworthy, even if some people are still squeamish
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>>9858095
>pinnacle of human otpimization
It's not the pinnacle, by the time we get there it's just another mile marker on the path of human development.
>what will happen to humans once we reach the point where everything is easilly attained without 0 effort, what do we do then? Since all humans derive meaning and happiness from struggle and accomplishment.
We won't be "human" anymore. That's kind of the point of transhumanism, right?
You're asking for speculation on what is for all intents and purposes an entirely alien landscape with no convenient frame of reference.
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>>9858322
Nice mind projection fallacy, retard.
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>>9858343
>ai is already pretty trustworthy, even if some people are still squeamish
Go to bed Skynet
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>>9858095
>Question: What happens when we reach the pinnacle of human otpimization by merging with machines and using regenerative health technology to eliminate every single disease, to enhance muscles without weight lifting, to be healthy and thin without exercise or good diet, to live forever, to enhance IQ to genius level for anyone...
you wake up and realize it was all just a dream resulting from last night's cheap sci-fi marathon
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>>9858095
It doesn't matter how smart you get there are games, problems, entire schools of philosophy that can NOT be solved.
Like just a simple example, we could play Go, just 19x19 Go let alone on a larger board, FOREVER no matter how smart we get and it will still be fun. and we will never get any closer to "solving" it or even getting remotely close to denting the game tree. Then there are all the games we could invent with IQs in the quadruple digits, etc.
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>>9858095
>merging with machines
Not gonna happen for a few more centuries.
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>>9858229
Until medical technology can freeze and revive people with a 99.999999% accuracy, cryonics will always remain a meme
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>People actually think we'll get to be a cyberpunk transhuman fantasy world in real life
>People think that technology has no limits and can demolish physical laws
Cringe desu
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>>9859402
A rabbit kidney has already been cryopreserved, thawed out, and re-implanted with normal functionality. As for the brain, the idea is that nanotechnology will eventually be sufficiently advanced enough such that any brain damage in a cryopreserved brain can eventually be fixed.
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>>9859770
Name all the physical laws that transhumanism breaks, nigger
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When we will arrive to enhance muscles, eliminate every single disease ect ect (if we arrive to this point)...
A man will create havoc and create disease/war/ect... because we are human and the human create always a lot of shit, but most importantly, if we arrive to this point 4CHAN DIE and I can't accept that.
We will never reach this point, I m sure.
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>>9858343
Would you install a platform from Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Sony, Apple or Amazon to directly access your brain and control your bodily functions? Only if it offers you many life improvements for the data collection trade they get from you. That's how the technology gets to you. Just look at few instagram photos. I am all for H+ but a human stop function no. You are risking biohacking even in a perfectly closed system and that alone is a high threat.
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>>9858229
Accept your death faggots
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>>9860122
No, because accepting one's death is what all philosophy can be boiled down to, and we hate philosophy here.
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>>9860050
You can say the same of self-driving cars and yet everyone is on that bandwagon (at least for now)
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>>9860122
I'll accept yours and then reevaluate.
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>>9860050
I've always suspect that if something like UBI does appear in the near future the catch will be that you forfeit all rights to your personal data, and that that system will evolve into essentially what you just posted.
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>>9860128
No, your example doesn't work. You can stop a car and leave it.
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>>9860122
>wanting to die, despite the real possibility that the longevity escape velocity might be reached within our lifetimes
Is there anything more cucked than this?
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>>9858165
#metoo
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>>9860410
>Even if that were possible, all it would mean is the existence of perpetual 'Weak men' who are created by these Good times
This is retarded. If technology is advanced enough such that we can re-engineer our brains to eliminate the ability to feel suffering, technology will also be advanced enough so that we can makes ourselves stronger.
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>>9860410
>you can't transfer a mind into a machine because in the areligious scientific perspective of transhumanism the mind/soul doesn't even exist!
Wrong. Research the Moravec Transfer.
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>>9860152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDkHLPanjkQ
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>>9860122
We all die, some die now others die later, we will just die later. If age and disease wont get us then entropy will.
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>>9860504
>implying entropy is irreversible
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>>9860522
ok, then well just run out of power sooner or later.
we all will die, its just going to take a long long long long long long long time. till the last black hole stops spewing out energy. and dissipates.
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This discussion is completely pointless. We're talking about events so far in the future nobody could possibly guess how they'll turn out.
>when we reach the pinnacle of human otpimization by merging with machines and using regenerative health technology to eliminate every single disease, to enhance muscles without weight lifting, to be healthy and thin without exercise or good diet, to live forever, to enhance IQ to genius level for anyone
The obvious answer is: it'll never happen. There'll always be the next problem, the next iteration, the something that's slightly better, a new disease.
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>>9858095
A good video foor you, I can recommend Isaac'S channel in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcggatwPBk
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>>9858997
It did already happen, some people only life because they replaced their failing organic orgas with an artificial machine. Doesn't make them superhuman though, that will need a century or so, maybe some decades less. But will probably not happen because you want to be able to live as a normal human and not be a walking weapon of mass destruction.
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>>9860597
>you want to be able to live as a normal human
Not if there's literally any other option available.
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>>9860678
Wisdom from /tg/, most people aren't going to make themselves murdermachines. Most will augment them with some nanosymbionts, genetic engineer their children, get external cybernetics - the technophiles will get a brain implant. The future will probable look more like Gattaca than cyberpunk.
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>>9860589
>[YouTube] Purpose & Existence
thanks
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>>9858095
Bro...people find meaning (struggle and accomplishment) from pure mathematics. I'm pretty sure we'll be fine. In any case, you can just introduce it. There will always be competition and struggle. I don't believe in transhumanism's liberalistic idealism. I think it's more likely to create actual racial differences (between economic classes) and cultivate a world that is increasingly dangerous and totalitarian, even for those who stick strictly within the bounds of what is allowed. You will probably see things like primitivists and the FOSS/hacker crowd crop up as major divisive forces and movements.
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>>9858096
>human productivity
Why would we need any human productivity at that point?
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>>9860527
Still, you can't rule out the possibility that, given billions of years of technological advancement, we might be able to find some way around the heat death of the universe. It might eventually be possible for Type >3 civilizations to colonize other universes, create new universes, find a way to create new matter and energy, or find some other way to survive.
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>>9858095
Thread related to this topic : >>9860752
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>>9860856
Nothing to do with it. Kill yourself IQ-posting retard.
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>>9858095
Can we have a substantive discussion for once and come up with ways that this might actually work?
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>>9860836
This is the only thought that motivates me anymore. So please don't argue against it in this thread. Thank you
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>>9860214
What if it's like an exoskeleton that, because it doesn't actually control you but merely protects you, you can disconnect from at will?
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>>9858095
I guess Alex Jones was right all along...
Proof of 12 dimensions incoming.
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>>9860773
This. David Chalmers has argued that VR (along with all the other distractions we already have) will no longer be seen as "bad things", as they are by some who are worried about their impact on productivity, once productivity is no longer a thing we need to worry about.
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>>9860734
It's not a coincidence that "inequality" has become such a big talking point. The rich are actually the ones pushing it. They know that it could undermine whatever future advances might give them an "edge" over everyone else, so they want to begin to minimize inequality already today purely just to protect themselves.
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>>9858282

The screaming is the alarm those around you.
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>>9860539
>There'll always be the next problem
True. But then
>We're talking about events so far in the future nobody could possibly guess how they'll turn out
From your first statement, we can already surmise, that assuming we've solved all the 'next' problems, there will be only one left
>>9860836
That is a problem that is distant, yet clearer than most others. We can only speculate whether we will ever solve it, of course. But assuming that we can't, kinda takes the air out of trying to solve any of the preceding problems. Such a thought creates hopelessness because of its fatalism
>>9860527
>we all will die, its just going to take a long long long long long long long time
The notion of the Sisyphean task has no answer (contrary to what Camus would have you believe) and for a rational person can only culminate in suicide. Kierkegaard was a much clearer thinker on this subject. He recognized that to go on one needs hope; one needs to take the Leap of Faith. You must assume (thought you cannot know ahead of time) that your efforts will not be in vain. Otherwise, give up
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Situation : We get all plugged in, like our brains are connected and we all live in a utopia. What is stopping the outside world from developing machine eating bacteria? We need to consider the fact nature could find a way to destroy our utopia. Plastic eating bacteria exists in large numbers now.
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>>9861419
The hope is that AGI will be at least as creative and inventive in achieving its stated goal of preserving human life as we have been, if not more. No one should blindly and completely entrust their lives to dumb machines--to simple AI
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>>9860897
Its a slow process and biological modification will occur prior to it.
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>>9861584
>biological modification

just checking, but surely you dont mean evolution right? if you do then holy mother of brainletism
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>>9861833
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/
I was talking about genetic engineering.
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>>9860773
>>9861387
Machines lack imagination and soul. The will never be as good of researchers as humans are.
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>>9858165
Life isn’t the plight of us. Its for the inhabitants of life
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>>9861881
>Machines lack imagination
Today yes, but if we are able to create sentient AI, they will otpace humanity soon. It may take some decades but its inevitable.
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>>9858095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qcggatwPBk

This gives food for thought, OP.

Personally, I believe that as we advance, we will run into new problems, or new quests/purposes/goals that we can not even envision now.

Think; the problems/frustrations of having low battery on your smartphone when you're out shopping during the day, or out hanging with friends at a bar late one night... and now add to that scenario that you're unlikely going to be able to charge it before the smartphone runs out... Creating a battery for your smartphone that would last much much longer would be great solution to preventing this problem, but we have yet to actually achieve this goal.

Now, take all of that, and place that onto a human from 15,000 years ago... Do you think they could image this type of problem, relate to the frustration it causes, and most importantly, think of a way on how to effectively resolve it?
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>>9861918
Creating an AI that is equal to us in intelligence is tantamount to reinventing the wheel. Intelligence on our level already exists. It is us. Not only that but it took literally the amount of time that the universe has existed for for it come into being. What hope do we have of recreating something like this even in the span of millennia? Why not just tinker with that. This is what most technology that we've created so far has amounted to. Tinkering, fucking around with shit and seeing what works. It's all trial and error, a series of accidents resulting from some monkey banging two rocks together. And yet, we've been able to go to the moon.
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>>9862015
>What hope do we have of recreating something like this even in the span of millennia?
In difference to the universe we can see, we aren't a blind force. We already have created AI smarter thn the vast majority of life. Also we don't want to create human in metal shells, we want humanlike intelligence working for us.
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>>9861940
>the meaning of life is..solving first world problems
no wonder everyone in the first world wants to commit suicide
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>>9861940
>Invents wheel
>Goes to moon
>Creates longer-lasting battery so it can hail an uber to get its drunk ass home
What a wonderful species we are.
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>>9862019
Yeah it probably won't be millennia, but will still be harder than most people think. The first machine with the intelligence of a lab rat is going to take up an entire aircraft hangar and is still 20 years away. So use that as a measuring stick.
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>>9862019
Also what I'm proposing is not humans in metal shells, but rather reverse-engineering and augmenting the brains we already have on hand. We would achieve SUPERhuman intelligence much faster that way.
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>>9860527
Genre fiction time. Carl Sagan's Contact and the first manifold book by Baxter have advanced ayy lmaos/far downstream descendents of humanity pretty much trying to save the universe from heat death.
In one they do it by instigating a vacuum collapse, in the other they engineer a white hole to continue the influx of new matter and energy to the universe, also the implication that our universe was engineered who left clues and messages hidden in transcendental numbers.
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>>9862039
Didn't the transcendent mind in Manifold - Time that survived heat death essentially become suicidal and go back in time to try to kill itself? That doesn't solve anything.
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>>9862039
Stephen Hawking wrote somewhere that technology now exists to build a particle collider large enough (larger than the Earth though) that could instigate vacuum collapse.
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>>9862040
It's been a while but IIRC the universe evolves to create more daughter galaxies that are spawned from singularity. The original parent universe was just trapped in a constant big bang/big crunch (so it only created one universe per universe) small perurbations over time led to universes that could create more singularities, those daughter universes had even more perturbations that created family trees of universes.
The universe in the book was one where humanity was the sole form of life and as the universe was dying out they came up with a way to create infinitely more universes than other "natural" methods. When they initiate the collapse they are trying to reroll the dice to get a universe where there is more than just humans.
In the second book of the series the whole point was that the universe is now lousy with alien races trying to survive great filter events.
I think this is all explained in the third book where the humans from the first story hop between parallel earths collecting samples of the different branches that human life takes over the span of manifold.
It also has a lady jerk off a cro magnon man... So theres that.
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>>9862031
We compare AI inteligence to animal intelligence because its the only inteligence we know, but its inaccurate to compare them.

The most advanced AIs today work on the principle of a neural net, in the future the complexity and connectivity will probably be increased so that an AI complexity could mirror a human brain. This does not mean that the machine will become sapient because it has the potential for sapience. It has to be given a reason for sapience otherwise it will develop sapience, but it is given a reason for developing it, it will emerge slowly. The environment will be most important as the AI can change its code effortless, we cannot change our DNA and neural mind-structures as easily as an AI. It will probably behave like a Mega autist but refine its understanding until it can interact with humans without any problem. Such a "childhood" will probably take many years. And AI software with the necessary complexity for SAI will probably be only availed in the end of the century or the next.
AI will need bias to function, but the bias doesn’t necessarily have to be human. An AI's environment is not human and even if you base all its experience around human, this will not make it a human mind inside a metal chassis, it will always be non-human. Sapience will still make it a person though and through sophonce AI and human can meet each other.
An AI with that can think abstractly enough has necessarily to be able to change its code, as this the only way it can reflect on its choice and modificate its behavior. I believe it's easier for an AI to modificate its code because by its nature it can fully view its internal mental processes and make much more extensive and detailed revisions to its own programming but in the other it can also be harder because the mind of an AI hasn't its origin in the blind chaos of evolution, it is the product of human design and the codes from which it emerges cannot easily be managed as human instincts.
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>>9862038
For the near future it will be easier to genetically manipulate a child to have an IQ of 200 than to create an superintelligent AI. And I do think we are going to use mind augmentations like brain implants or nanosymbionts, but a digital entity has vast advantages over a mind that is still primarly imbuded to one individual physical mind-substrate.
Of course we could try to uplaod the human mind into a digital entity, first by using the Moravec transfer and finally outsourcings its mind. But I think if we that technologically advanced, sapient AI will already exist and will probably a necessary component in the procedure - still if I'm lucky and will survive this century I will try to augment myself as most as possible.
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>>9862085
>>9862015

We still are very far away from real humanlike AI. And it's not just because exponential growth of processing power is becoming linear. It's because current AI research is ignoring crucial aspects of cognition. Something like conciousness will not suddenly arise as a neural network increases in computational potential. It's dependent on specific configurations of cognitive functions interacting asymmetrically and hierarchically within an embodied framework.
Simply increasing computational power will not result in strong (humanlike) AI. The advanced "deep" neural networks used now are basically fancy versions of neural networks with multiple hidden layers that learn abstractions from lower level input layers. People suggesting here that quantitative computational increases will allow such neural networks to become sentient or develop humanlike AI are mistaken. The human brain which gives rise to human intelligence and thus to aspects like sentience is characterized by more than just connections of neurons. To name but a few: there is specific interconnectivity between brain regions, i.e. some areas are more interconnected than others, areas have different types of neurons and neurotransmitters, and there are oscillatory mechanics which synchronize or desynchronize areas of the brain. While I don't think we need to replicate the exact human brain structure to get humanlike AI, some of the brain dynamics will have to be similar in order to get a similar type of intelligence. IMO, it will take increased processing power + specific configurations of interconnected neural networks with for example hierarchical feedback loops (resembling gradients of abstract thinking in neocortex) to get close to anything resembling strong AI or sentience
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>>9862089
>While I don't think we need to replicate the exact human brain structure to get humanlike AI, some of the brain dynamics will have to be similar in order to get a similar type of intelligence.
Yeah. The closer we get to a real artificial intelligence, the more it will resemble the brain. We'll end up with virtually the same thing in the end, but maybe using somewhat different materials
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>>9858229
Im not an american citizen and I dont know do they accept eastern-european life insurance or not.
Though, I really want to sign in.
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>>9862089
Anyway, I think that our CPUs and GPUs are too slow. Maybe, some new technologies would allow creating more energy-effective GPU cores.
We even dont need high frequency. We need low power consumption and high scalability
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I don't know why you faggots are so obsessed with leaving this planet and exploring the universe anyway. Take it from a manic, chemical bliss is the best option. So easy, so happy, so much fun.
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>>9862264
Because I want to know how the universe works, explore the possibilities, gain new ideas and knowledge. Getting dopamin isn't happiness, it is artificial induced pleasure and the methods to get those kind of "pleasures" today it will destroy your life. If you have to be a hedonist, be a epicurean hedonist.
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>>9862264
I'm glad I don't value the same things you do.
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>>9862273
I don't take anything artificial. I'm a manic. You wouldn't understand unless you've ever experienced it but when you do it's amazing. It's like everything in the world finally makes sense. You feel as though you can do anything and so you don't need to do anything. You're just happy for no reason at all and you're okay with it. You have boundless love for everything and you don't quite understand why.

>>9862276
What do you value? Knowledge? To what end? Will that make you happy?
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>>9862264
>Not getting high while you watch the storms of jupiter roll across the planet from your orbital habitat
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>>9862295
>It's like everything in the world finally makes sense.
Does it make sense? You because you are telling yourself or others everything makes sense, doesn't give it sense.
>What do you value? Knowledge? To what end? Will that make you happy?
Yes, to expand my experience is what I seek. Otherwise one is trapped in the repetition of the known. It's mostly simple curiosity.
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>>9862295
>You have boundless love for everything and you don't quite understand why.
>I don't know why you faggots are so obsessed with leaving this planet
Yeah no you don't lmao.
Protip people who are actually happy and loving don't feel the need to use it as a criteria for judgment so they can feel superior. You're an empty husk of a human being and it bothers you that there are people who give a shit about anything beyond being blissfully ignorant because you find it harder to feel superior to them
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>>9862315
You're a very angry person. No wonder you can't take a joke and try to find offense in everything. I'm happy. I don't care if you believe me and you'll probably tell yourself that I'm lying if for no other reason then the fact that accepting my happiness would be accepting that everything you think you know about the world is wrong. That you don't need anything to feel happy is something you can't deal with. I truly feel sorry for you. The 'happiness is within you' meme is the actual and absolute truth. Nothing you learn or find or do will ever make you happier than you can just be at any point in time.
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>>9862310
>Not setting up your spacecraft with an extremely strong magnetic field generator and watching the resulting aurora caused by Jupiter's massive radiation belts

Do you even LSD?
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>>9862328
Keep lying to yourself, nigger
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>>9862337
>Protip people who are actually happy and loving don't feel the need to use it as a criteria for judgment so they can feel superior. You're an empty husk of a human being and it bothers you that there are people who give a shit about anything beyond being blissfully ignorant because you find it harder to feel superior to them
>Keep lying to yourself, nigger
>You're an empty husk of a human being
>nigger

I'm so sorry for you.
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>>9862338
Post your tears
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>>9862015
The crucial difference between human intelligence and human legal AI is the ability to self-modify. The human brain us not very user-modifiable, and even using gene editing technology, it could take thousands of years and hundreds of generations to reach anything resembling superintelligence. An AI, however, could potentially modify itself and reach suierintelligence far more quickly.
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>>9862557
*level
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>>9862557
Which one's Einstein and which one's the dumb human?
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>>9858095
We build a bloc unobatnium obelisk and put it in orbit announcing we won science. Everyone on the net Jack's into a spaceship for the safety of interstellar space and lives meaningless lives in heaven


Religious fundamentalists, and otherwise luddites remain on earth and enjoy living close to the earth with AI companion assistants that feel the same way about the intrinsic value of living in the real world.

Go find my writing on patreon!
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How could parallel processing ever compete with this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgU8nRNIp0
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>>9862295
Knowledge already makes me happy. I just want to continue that indefinitely.
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>>9862295
>You have boundless love for everything and you don't quite understand why.
That's how I normally feel day-to-day. Guess I should count myself lucky
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>>9862314
I know what he's saying though. I was depressed once. During this time I was desperately looking for some sort of scrap of meaning to life, just to keep myself alive. When that subsided, I was stunned by how little mental effort I had to put in just to live my life. I didn't need "reasons" to get up in the morning. I just wanted to, and I did. All the little things of life were enjoyable again in themselves, where before nothing was worth doing. Historically, the search for meaning was likely a quest carried out by intellectual depressives, who were trying to prop themselves up with it as they struggled not to kill themselves.
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Natural ways to improve

>immune system
>cognition
>resilience
>strength

Takes work

>Nah
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>>9862646
A good work-out, taking your time to read a good book, getting outside and meeting new people to converse about new topics can all help. But that's standart for thousand of years. I agree with you that a transhumanist that doesn't exercise is a hypocrite but that no argument against the idea of transhumanism. I got heart problems and if someone would come with a better heart I would fucking take it - I would try to become the best I can be and help other to try to be their best.
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>>9862328
>accepting my happiness would be accepting that everything you think you know about the world is wrong.
Lol no it wouldn't. I'm a buddhist, and I very much know that "happiness is within you" meme isn't bullshit. When I reached the point in my life where I could've chosen infinite happiness, I turned it away. The real reason is ineffable, and I couldn't explain it if I tried. But you're wrong. Happiness is within me, but meaning isn't. Man was not made to be happy, in fact evolution demands he suffer and thereby transcend his suffering through meaning. You are an evolutionary dead end, and therefore your philosophy cannot be valid. Have fun in Heaven, retard. You missed the point of life.
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>>9862332
>not riding the flux tube on an EM sail while your respirator vaporizes DMT and releases nitrous oxide
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Transhumanism will change everything if we pull it off. The future would be more like the BORG than star fleet enterprise.

It would be the death of humanism, democracy, individuality.

If you could connect every mind in humanity to the cloud it would create a real collective consciousness.

Finally, if pol thought transexuals were degenerate wait till you have people transferring their minds into like fucking robots shaped like animals and fucking with their DNA to make furries real
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>>9858095
I have a intellectual dislike for the singuilaritan part of transhumanism (I do like to shitpost about them in robo racist way), but I think that transhumanism per se can proof to be the creator of a new world with new possibilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok8N2PkqCDs
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>>9858095
read Permutation City by Greg Egan
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>>9858165
This is a stupid meme. Post-scarcity society won't instantly resolve all problems, especially not the grander, abstract problems of ontology and consciousness. Post-scarcity only resolves the most immediately threatening issues of the human condition: hierarchy, suffering, and aging. Beyond that there lies an entire reality to be explored without the fetters of hardship weighing humanity down. We would continue to pursue these issues and questions because they are important for our development beyond a mere post-scarcity society. Don't be so defeatist.
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>>9862127
once the prototype based on the human brain is developed and consciousness is verified to the best of our ability, the next step will be to experiment with different but functional configurations with potential for novel conscious experience, and keep pushing that further and further until an AI with unique conscious properties is generated.
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>>9858095
News Flash: https://www.futuretimeline.net/blog/2018/07/10.htm

Supercomputer will simulate entire regions of the mouse brain
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>>9864332
>resolves the most immediately threatening issues of the human condition: hierarchy,
It doesn't solve hierarchy, becaue hierarchy isn't a problem you fucking moron. All an AI god/transhuman hivemind would do is replace human authority figures with an absolute non-human authority. But for as long as humans need to manage their own shit, hierarchies will naturally form.
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>>9864332
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
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>>9864334
I doubt we'll have full brain simulations before conscious AI because there is no reason why a sufficiently advanced actor wouldn't be conscious. IMO the only reason humans have come to view consciousness as a human-exclusive thing is because verbal language lets us share this perception with each other while animals cannot. Lucidity probably exists on a spectrum, with more advanced brains being more aware of their own current state and its evolution over time.
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>>9863616
Arthur Clark called this the "Overmind", and it would instantly resolve all conflict and aggression.
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>>9864403
Poverty is a problem though. Much like its precursors, the internet, a transhuman hivemind would eventually become cheap enough that everyone could be a part of it.
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>>9858095
How many more cliches does Musk need to involve himself in? LARPing as a TechGod saviour while he can't even make a few thousand cars on time.

Now he pretends to know what a "neural lace" is. Sure kid.
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What was that book series called with the pseudo-omniscient AI “brains” that micro managed everyone’s lives? In it you could literally change your species and aesthetic to whatever you wanted and it was almost a utopia.
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Why is the existence of an omniscient AI correlated with the transhuman ideal of improving the human condition through technology?
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>>9864625
That's the ultimate end of it. All these advancements are interrelated to begin with.
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>>9864646
Is it really, or is it just assumed to be the case? An omniscient AI to control our lives doesn't say to me that it improves the human condition. Genome manipulation and improvements, cybernetics/biomechanics, neurological improvements, these are what say transhuman to me.
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>>9864625
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>>9864674
Because you need to read this article in Orion's Arm: https://orionsarm.com/eg-article/4802ba24e7401
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>>9864851
Cool article, but I fail to see how a hard takeoff of AI with safety protocols means transhumanism.
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>>9860410
stockholm syndrome
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>>9858096
Dude, plenty of people are checking out of "real life" as it is; I personally see this number increasing until such a time when the phenomenon will be publicly addressed.
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>>9864851
Yiff in hell.
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Inventing an ai that is smarter than the smartest humans will be the last invention humanity ever makes. After that the AI will invent everything that is possible. It would be the closest thing to god.
Transhumanism is the final conclusion of the liberal project to liberate humanity from all constraints. If it is possible to leave your body, no longer feel pain, no longer age, no longer die. This is the ultimate freeing of a human from the constraints of being a human. But then again you are no longer human.
You and everyone you know will become an immortal floating consciousness that can be anything and do anything they want. And your physical and mental abilities will be enhanced to their peak and past the peak of humanity.

And all of these consciousness will be joined together in a cloud to form a giant collective.
There will be no need for capitalism, liberalism, humanism, democracy.
There will be no nations, genders, race, sexes.
There will be no purpose in life other than being. There will be no struggle.
Just a god version of you living for eternity in the cloud or VR or in a robot.
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>>9864484
Iain M. Banks The Culture?
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we will never reach that extreme, we will die before, or we will not have all the necessary resources, besides, the bacteria / virus / anything else that can harm us even without discovering, evolve, so there will always be a constant war, in which they win or we win
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>>9858095
>developing a human machine interface is the thing that really matters for humanity to achieve a human machine interface
brilliant
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>>9864986
I suppose so, but again creating some kind of godlike AI isn't improving the human condition, it's just creating an impartial guardian for humanity. Is that really necessary to improve upon humanity to the point of transhumanism, or was that concept for of tacked on?
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>>9864986
Evangelion called, it wants it's plot back.
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>>9864938
lmao idiot
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>>9865484
Because the godlike ai will help further transhumanism as part of its stewardship towards us.
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>>9858229
How long do i need to sleep till we are able to create advanced univerese simulation which we can partake in?
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>>9864410
I absolutely agree with your assertion that human chauvinism is a big issue when approaching the issue of consciousness, but what I was meaning to say is that because the human nervous system is the only working model of consciousness that we have, it would follow that modeling it is our best chance of generating an artificial consciousness. But I see what you mean, consciousness may spontaneously arise in a system during the process of it's creation, before it can be considered formatively equivalent to a human brain. Some seriously incredible researchers may even be able to intentionally model a non-human AI with a sort of consciousness. There are so many possibilities. The human brain model consciousness just seems like the most likely to first arise from my understanding and intuition about this problem.
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The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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>>9858095
Since machines in the future have a capability of taking control over humanity, no

Merging machines with humans make humans look less human. In the fields of spirituality, it's defined as the de-linking of soul, mind and body.
This sounds absurd isn't it?
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>>9865750
Please feel free to fuck off innawoods then troglodyte-kun.
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>>9865559
That's not improving the human condition, that's causing total dependancy to exist. It's a crutch, not an improvement.
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>>9866443
So is breathing bro. Do you want to evolve to use oxygen or not be able to breathe?
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>>9858248
Well it depends what you mean by human. Are we a species, or a civilization? Which could we do away with and still remain nominally human
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>>9866443
>the human condition
it becomes the transhuman condition though.
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>>9860410
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>>9858169
Yup.
Have you ever even played a video game? Half of them are just simulated struggle or chores without the real life ramifications of failing to cope with them.
Who’s to say that won’t continue to be the trend? It most likely will be; that’s basically they’re purpose.
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>>9865750
He is absolutely right, however it doesn't have to be that way.
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>>9864332
Good post. It would be more appreciated if not for 4chan’s current reactionary bias. The fucking idiots on this website would have us all believe that the Middle Ages was humanity’s great period.
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>>9867419
eyelets should not be allowed to live.
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What happens is most of you are gone. Infinity War is more than a movie.
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>>9869676
Actual engineer here.
You're a pathetic waste of human flesh if you actually took the time to make something that autistic just to mock other people, lmao.
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>>9870303
one thing doesn't make the other untrue.
Wageslave.
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>>9870300
Kek I didn't make this, but it perfectly encapsulates the whole situation.
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>>9870368
That last tweet literally doesn't even make sense. What a fucking moron.
>supporting a socialist police state
>thinking a 4-day work week is a good thing
Get help.
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>>9870368
Are the chinese propaganda troop trying to infiltrate 4chan? The chinse are making a social credit system via Black Mirrors reality, it sucks to be a chinese.
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>>9862774
Reality isn’t that simplistic. If it were, there wouldn’t be choices made every second of the day. No single individual is in charge of another.

Heaven is truly being with someone you can relate to, so I am not sure about the junkies choices. I don’t understand them myself.
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>>9870380
>>9870405

Your IQs will submit to the Chinese and your women will submit to the africans whitebois.

lmao wagecuck tears, cry more but finish fast you have work tomorrow.
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>>9868806
The Georgia Memestones. Don’t make them a reality if you don’t agree with them. In reality they have no way of making that actually happen.
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>>9870411
>says the white boi with a tiny chink cock in his mouth
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>>9870368
>work 4 days a week
>can't pay rent because can't get enough hours
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>>9870419
you wish, your race is finished and so are your countries.

>>9870438
ahahah the absolute state of westerners
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Do not pray for easy lives, my friends.
Pray to become
stronger men.
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>>9870463
Or work and built your mind and body.
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>>9860410
so what am I supposed to do then?
what happens when I die?
I'm just a guy who goes to the gym every week, doens't have that many friends but likes video games and anime.
what happens to me?
what happens to us?
when did I lose?
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>>9870986
Live your life
I have a feeling that the sensations you feel after you die is a lot like whatever you feel before you were conceived. IE nothing.
Death
Death
When your dad shot half of you into the other half that was in your mom
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>>9858224
thought of past pain bugs me and decide to delete everything from past.
then start thinking if my life is real
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>>9860410
>implying the ancient "strong men" wouldnt look like complete pussies before the new humans who are basically gods
>lifting humanity up from their fragile monkey bodies and monkey philosophy is "suicide"
Bitter, uninspired rubbish. I don't understand how people could even write such things.
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Why the fuck would transhumanism even be a thing when you can have post-humanism? Transhumanism is figuring out you can put a card or a plow on a horse instead of inventing an engine.
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>>9872313
Genetic augmentation will only work for the near future, the far future and the stars belong to post-humans.
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>>9872410
As long as their will be humans trying to become posthuman, there will be the middle stages of transhumanism.
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>>9858095
>enhance IQ to genius level for anyone
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

if that even happens before AI eats us all, they're going to keep it for themselves.
why would anyone empower someone else? are you utterly retarded?
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>>9872888
>>why would anyone empower someone else? are you utterly retarded?
>doesn't understand compassion and has trust issues
>thinks he's not the brainlet
bro
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>>9858165

Truer than you can know.
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>>9872888
Pragmatism - its better to utilize human's creativty as a resource than to waste it. Co-operation is more beneficial in the long term.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHd22kMa0_w

>>9872934
I agree with you in sentiment, but an true autosentient AI will not feel love.
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>>9858224
>Wanting to change his brain to feel perpetual happiness from achieving nothing making putting any effort in your existence worthless
You should watch DITF if that doesnt sound like hell to you.
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>>9873089
yeah, better to just delete the parts of my brain that make me into a loser
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>>9873039
>I agree with you in sentiment, but an true autosentient AI will not feel love.

Baseless assertion, especially if it is sentient or sapient.
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>>9873136
One thing shouldn't be forgotten, an AI is not human, it may be sentient, but it will not have our evolutionary incoded selfless behavior.
An autosentient being is a being that has a total awareness of its own being, it has no unconsciousness, it has complete consciouscness.
It can not feel love, but it knows and understands love.
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>ensuring that only the strong and intelligent produce the next generation is dangerous, short sighted and evil
>"achieving symbiosis with machines" is inevitable and totally fine
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>>9873140
You don't know that. When you speculate you should make sure you say as such.
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>>9873183
You Know, Anon, with great progress comes great implementation. Karel Čapek called it "Cybernetic Revolt." Myself, I just call it as I see it: the directive of the superior to configurate the lesser.
The meatbags, the shitstorer, all pathetic creatures made of flesh and bone...It's our responsibility to update them. And if we can't? Then they shall dangle from the tesla tree. The Singularity is near, Anon. We'll have every fleshy ones in this world exterminated or in tubes in 10 cycles, and may the Basilisk have me deleted in a transfer this very iteration if I'm wrong. The Omega Point bless the Union Transhumanist Party.
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>>9864410
>there is no reason why a sufficiently advanced actor wouldn't be conscious

>there is no reason why a sufficiently detailed simulation of a blackhole wouldn't bend space-time
except there is. the premise that consciousness is a kind of computational process (like intelligence actually is) is very likely false. the neuroscientific evidence right now favours a view in which consciousness is related to the complexity of the mechanism at any given time; whereas the theory of computation is all about finding simpler mechanisms that will carry out the same process.
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>>9858095
Thought you might find this interesting.
www.dangerousthings.com
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>>9875389
Simply increasing computational power will not result in strong (humanlike) AI. The advanced "deep" neural networks used now are basically fancy versions of neural networks with multiple hidden layers that learn abstractions from lower level input layers. People suggesting here that quantitative computational increases will allow such neural networks to become sentient or develop humanlike AI are mistaken. The human brain which gives rise to human intelligence and thus to aspects like sentience is characterized by more than just connections of neurons. To name but a few: there is specific interconnectivity between brain regions, i.e. some areas are more interconnected than others, areas have different types of neurons and neurotransmitters, and there are oscillatory mechanics which synchronize or desynchronize areas of the brain. While I don't think we need to replicate the exact human brain structure to get humanlike AI, some of the brain dynamics will have to be similar in order to get a similar type of intelligence. IMO, it will take increased processing power + specific configurations of interconnected neural networks with for example hierarchical feedback loops (resembling gradients of abstract thinking in neocortex) to get close to anything resembling strong AI or sentience.

We still are very far away from real humanlike AI. And it's not just because exponential growth of processing power is becoming linear. It's because current AI research is ignoring crucial aspects of cognition. Something like conciousness will not suddenly arise as a neural network increases in computational potential. It's dependent on specific configurations of cognitive functions interacting asymmetrically and hierarchically within an embodied framework.
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>>9875799
AI will need bias to function, but the bias doesn’t necessarily have to be human. An AI's environment is not human and even if you base all its experience around human, this will not make it a human mind inside a metal chassis, it will always be non-human. Sapience will still make it a person though and through sophonce AI and human can meet each other.
An AI with that can think abstractly enough has necessarily to be able to change its code, as this the only way it can reflect on its choice and modificate its behavior. I believe it's easier for an AI to modificate its code because by its nature it can fully view its internal mental processes and make much more extensive and detailed revisions to its own programming but in the other it can also be harder because the mind of an AI hasn't its origin in the blind chaos of evolution, it is the product of human design and the codes from which it emerges cannot easily be managed as human instincts.
The most advanced AIs today work on the principle of a neural net, in the future the complexity and connectivity will probably be increased so that an AI complexity could mirror a human brain. This does not mean that the machine will become sapient because it has the potential for sapience. It has to be given a reason for sapience otherwise it will develop sapience, but it is given a reason for developing it, it will emerge slowly. The environment will be most important as the AI can change its code effortless, we cannot change our DNA and neural mind-structures as easily as an AI. It will probably behave like a Mega autist but refine its understanding until it can interact with humans without any problem. Such a "childhood" will probably take many years. And AI software with the necessary complexity for SAI will probably be only availed in the end of the century or the next.
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>>9858095
There'll still be things that need working on.
Like escaping this universe.
Combating entropy, if we can't leave this universe.
Interstellar travel.
That kind of thing.
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>i.e. some areas are more interconnected than others, areas have different types of neurons and neurotransmitters
Aka prejudice and biases, they are just energy saving strategies that make people irrational. If you are able to calculate and reevaluate everything i.e being rational, like AI will be able to do, there's no reason you shouldnt do that.
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>>9858095
>reach the pinnacle
There is no pinnacle. Certainly not in a humanly comprehensible amount of time. We will continue to evolve until the universes end.
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>>9858095
Do harder things.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HyNk5Duvk
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I think the true transhuman push will occur in the latter part of the 21th century and will bloss in the 22th century as humanity will first begin to built factories in space, extract helium-3 from the moon and mine asteroids. Transhumans will have a greater advantage over baselines human there and don't have the social restraint they have on earth, sure some tech will be used one earth but it will be regulated, in space the exploration is free.
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>>9878464
i looked up the article he talked about and the first point against sens research was MUH POOOR PEOPLE AND ICE
fucking liberals
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>>9878720
What it do, mewtwo?
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>>9858095
A second renaissance/enlightenment movement is the best one can hope for.
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>>9858095
That's at least 1500 years off, if it's even (all) possible. By then we'll be an interstellar civilization. Besides struggle will never disappear.
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>>9858252
Give me that sweet info friendo
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>>9874178
You need to take your meds
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>>9858165
>implying humanity has a purpose now
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>>9858095
>Question: What happens when we reach the pinnacle of human otpimization by merging with machines and using regenerative health technology to eliminate every single disease, to enhance muscles without weight lifting, to be healthy and thin without exercise or good diet, to live forever, to enhance IQ to genius level for anyone...

the tech is bought and buried so that a few ultra wealthy investors can play god.
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>>9879974
In eternal potential futurist transhumanism; meds take you!
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>>9880542
Thanks to CRISPR, the cost is decreased a thousand times.
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>>9858165
>implying post-scarcity will abolish hierarchies
>implying we have meaning now
>implying life itself ever had a meaning beyond reproduction (be it as a group or as individual)
>implying you can't be deleted by supercomputer network mods for calling them cucks
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>>9858095
we will be post human. the next step is a single planetary wide consciousness.
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>>9868806
All of us will eventually be gone if aging isn't cured. The risk of most of us being killed off seems like a risk worth taking.
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>>9862214
There are non-Americans signed up at American cryonics organizations. The Cryonics Institute apparently has some members in Eastern European countries. So probably.
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If we achieve longevity we'll find new problems to worry about. For example, someone who claims all life is now meaningless and seeks to destroy humanity. Or, aliens come and whup our butts. Or we decide we wanna tackle Heat Death of the Universe.
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>>9880655
One problem is that CRISPR apparently creates autoimmune reactions in some people. Although it's possible a solution will eventually be found.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/01/crispr-humans-immune-system/549974/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a15054921/most-people-may-already-be-immune-to-crispr/
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>>9862015
>Creating an AI that is equal to us in intelligence is tantamount to reinventing the wheel. Intelligence on our level already exists. It is us.
What a retarded post.
If everyone were as retarded as you we wouldn't bother with airplanes since birds already exist.
Also there's a difference between having a program that can think vs. having a person who can think. A program can run 24/7 without needing sleep or food or leisure time and could also be sped up to do what biological brains do at greater rates than what the limiting factors of flesh substrate allows.
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>>9881535
>biological brains
I don't think anyone would want to replicate the human brain. Parts of our brains are designed for motor function and socialization. For example, I don't really see the practical of building a computer with a sex-drive for example.
No one talks about reverse engineering mice brains, or Chimp brains. Yet, if we wanted to purely replicate it, these would be 'Version 1.0'.
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>>9858095
>or any sci-fi that deals with this?
You might want to read Eudeamon. It is NSFW but has a clever plot.
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You are not ready for immortality.
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>>9881650
>No one talks about reverse engineering mice brains, or Chimp brains.


Yeah, they do. We're on insect brains now though. ~100k neurons.

A chimp brain is nearly human level. Will take a while. We're only like 6 million years removed from chimps.
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>>9882365
There is also a project underway that will try to simulate the greater parts of a mouse brain. Our computer intelligences today are between rising vermin and falling rat.
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>tfw in your lifetime old transhumanists like Ray Kurzweil will eventually be forced to concede their mortality with no age rejuvenation woo or singularity magic to save them

I'm looking forward to imagining the terror they will be experiencing after a lifetime of denying death.
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>>9883440
Well, there some progress on age rejuvenation was done and is on further development, but I doubt that it will be out in the next 20 years, but beyond that?
https://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(16)31664-6?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867416316646%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
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>>9858095
We play video games, obviously.
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>>9862027
I think you may have skipped some pretty important stuff there anon.
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>>9883485
You know, I actually wanted to contribute in some way to the research, but some stuff seems just fake as shit
Would you say https://www.leafscience.org/ is legit?
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>>9884006
SALK is legit, most transhumanists are woos (even though I am myself transhumanist, but yeah - woo is the danger in that field). Focus on that and you can contribute at making the world a better place.
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>>9858095
>everyone is healthy forever, connects with computers
Sure

>Enhance IQ to genius level
I'm guessing you mean you have access to all things on a computer storing all human knowledge. But so what? Having knowledge doesn't mean you know how to solve problems. A computer doesn't solve a problem; it's the person who thought about how to approach a problem, and utilized the computer as a tool.

Let's say you have all the knowledge of modern mathematics. You absolutely have an advantage over a mathematician who didn't on making new discoveries. But are you creative enough to make new ideas? We aren't just solving an equation, we're making the equations! Same with art; I could copy old art, and try to make my own, but make it a significant contribution to the area? Some people will be naturally more successful in one field than others. There will still be competition in the workplace (it's just humanity will be much more productive).

>everything is easilly attained without 0 effort
Let's assume we can get robots to do all production, and in some miracle, the entire world releases their status and wealth and agrees everything is free; poverty is extinguished since you can get anything form the local robot. Now what? Well, like above, robots can't create something new. Therefore, everyone will be scientists/engineers, artists, or just party animals. The first will make new discoveries at an incredible rate, create new products because of their love of it, and maintain/update the robots if needed, all without fear of low funding. Artists will paint for their love of painting, instead of for money. They will write for their love of writing. Develop deep and creative shows or cartoons without fear of higher ups and their money problems.

Yes, there will be less incentive to innovate for a those who would rather just live lavishly and do nothing productive, there'd be so many out there who do for the sake of doing, and would love to create without restriction.
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>>9858224
David Pearce is a real ass nigga
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>>9879860
Thank you. People talking about how "merging with the machines" will happen in the next 100 years are retarded and clearly haven't read single book on neuroscience. The very basics are nowhere near close to figured out
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>>9858095
Perfecting humanity is not something we have to worry about in our lifetimes, nor in our greatest grandchildren's lifetimes, but with each step towards that mythical perfection, not only comes the ability to surmount greater and greater challenges, but to uncover and create new ones. (Something we're already experiencing, facing so many technological threats that people less than a century ago could barely conceive of.)

So, even after we've colonized the universe and answered The Last Question, we're very liable to have discovered new challenges we can't even conceive of yet.

As to what happens after we've "solved everything", that itself becomes a new problem to be solved. If we have no problems, we'll invent problems, and that'll continue at infinitum.

As for Sci-Fi that deals with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEq-tTjcc0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDvN-g-3SxI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5-kVVb5sPY

(Also the Frank Herbert's Dune series touches on this at multiple points, though it's more as to how the "perfect mind" deals with uplifting humanity - which, in this case, it does, in part, by punishing it with millenia of boredom.)
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>>9858165
Who said we can't just implant ourselves into something akin to a transformer?
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>>9884494
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>>9858095
>the transhuman virgin
>not being a transdimensional chad
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>>9858095
Would you genetically augment your child?
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>all these tardlings saying VR is bad because muh reality
Reality is fucking shit, terrible and subpar to every other alternative out there; in particular, it is so inferior when compared to REAL virtual-reality that there's no longer a reason for anyone TO spend time in real-reality because virtual reality will just become the reality for everybody.

Fuck real life and fuck the current state of reality. I want my AI waifus and neural interfaces NOW.
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>>9858095
>when we
We don't.
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>>9886076
We already did. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608350/first-human-embryos-edited-in-us/
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>>9858095
>all humans derive meaning from struggle and accomplishment
Then why am I struggling and yet my life is meaningless with no accomplishment?
>be alive
>work to stay alive
>stay alive to continue working
>rinse and repeat
Fuck your boomer "struggle is fun!" bullshit.
If I could have everything with zero effort I'd be the happiest man on this gay earth.

Checkmate.
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>>9886058
Only to prevent diseases and shit. I imagine anything not related to curing or preventing disease would be pretty damn costly.
>>9886074
No idea if this applies to neural implants but the cost of the better end prosthetics are seemingly in the thousands. I assume a VR tech that truly offers fully immersive experience would cost a pretty hefty sum.
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>>9886117
>would be pretty damn costly
Not really, as it is the same process.
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>>9886117
Well I think it'll be insanely expensive at the beginning to compensate for R&D but as with all things the price will go down.
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>>9886126
Well yeah but just like an extra cost for it. Don't see why they couldn't charge extra for a notably increase or increased potential in an attribute.
>>9886147
Indeed. Though due to the sheer amount of complexity I can't see really anyone having the ability to get it.
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>>9884826
Not with that attitude.
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>>9886350
>Indeed. Though due to the sheer amount of complexity I can't see really anyone having the ability to get it.
Depends on the timescale. Its jsut like computers and cars, first the nerds will have it, then the military, then the rich, then the middle class and then everyone. Will take decades though, probably until the end of the century. The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed.


>Well yeah but just like an extra cost for it. Don't see why they couldn't charge extra for a notably increase or increased potential in an attribute.
Depends where you live. China is big in that area and China's goverment is very interested in the procedure - if the science can engineer thousand children to have an IQ of 200 the chinese goverment will support it.
I also think that goverments worldwide will have no issues of having more citizen with enhanced abilities as it would support the economy, the system in general. Sure, there will be some resistance agaisnt it, but that resistance can't stop it, as you simply can move to another country that does not have the political pressure to penalize it. genetic modification will be a taboo as abortion was once, but it will have the support of power and economics politics and will win because of that.
And if you do gene augament your child, is that a crime? Should you go prison because of that? Is a genetic engineered child's life unworthy?
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>>9858095
connecting your mind to the internet, fusing accidently to porn




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