If you believe this, you believe in magic.
>>9999898Magic is real
>>9999953this, fpbp, /thread, and so on
>>9999898What if you just simulated a human brain structure completely?
>>9999898Cool assertion, bro. But that's not how programming, software, AI, or computers work.
>>9999898>permutation of charactersthat's fine, but as i already tried to explain to you is that is not how computers have to operate, this is an antiquated conception of computing and is not how modern AI works. All of the current hype is around neural networks which are not that type of computing. Please just listen
>>9999898I agree. If you believe that "No permutation of characters in a piece of programming code can produce a consciousness," then you believe that human consciousness is fundamentally magical.
>>10001339As a programmer that has worked with neural networks in C++ I know that we will never because it's impossible, replicate consciousness.
>>10001313There are some quantum effects that cannot be simulatedt. penrose
Consciousness doesn't even exist, no wonder we cant simulate it. We are all automatons, propelled by our programming and conditioning. People talk about the Chinese translator who just processes characters, without understanding. But that's all we are. There is no such thing as understanding, just processing as per rules. We express our programmed instincts to form relationships, feed and mate. We create models of others for a survival advantage. We are creative, but creativity is just processing familiar data to fit new situations. Machines can do it. There is no reason a machine can't do anything a person can do.
>>10001848We exist, of course consciousness exists. The universe exists through usP zombies I swear...
>>9999898How do we know calculators aren’t conscious?
>>10001755I don't care about that nonsense. I too can pretend some words have great, inexplicit meaning. Though obviously you are taking a leaping assumption in your assertion. Your qualifications mean nothing as my own and anyone with a couple of weeks to spare exceed them, further, they mean absolutely nothing in regards to the capabilities of computers, the involved mathematics, nature of human consciousness, the nature of generalised intelligence, and the actual discipline of AI.I was taking issue with the OP. Software is not mere permutations of characters and AI is not limited by a programmer. His wording has poor aesthetic.
>>9999898Who says it isn't conscious in the first place?
>>9999898I imagine its as much in the implementation as the code that allows consciousness.
>>9999898Your DNA is just a permutation of characters in a programming code. So do you have consciousness ?
>>10001770You forgot to add "thus far"
Making a convincing AI humanoid is towards the ideal of being indistinguishable from another person. You cannot prove anyone elses conciousness to your own. Between the humanoid AI acting human, or a human acting human, you wouldn't know the difference either way if the only value of comparison you may cite is whether or not something acts human.But thats not the ideal for humanoid AI. The ideal is instead to not be humanesque, to obey without argument, and to serve selflessly, but this shouldn't be considered as meaning humans can't do this. At every stage it would be optimal to know that differentiating between human and humanoid AI can be easily understood, but computer learning discards manual effort for automatic on blind and heavily misguided faith, as proven by various chat and twitter or skype bots. Instead of being taught to be subservient, the AI learns how other people aim to treat other people, which is dominance. Realistically, it doesn't matter, because neither philosophy or tech will advance far enough to producing admirable results. What good is a fact of fantasy made reality when your goal is to blur the line between the distinction of fact and fiction? Do you want to know whats real and what isn't? Or do you only want to know what you think feels good, regardless if it isn't real?
>>9999898Google programmed a few AIs with the job of virtually 'picking up apples from trees'. When apples became sparse, the AIs blocked each other. Where is the difference between this and survival instinct?
>>10001770What, permutations of characters are not random enough to produce consciousness? We can compute permutations from the output of a quantum random number generator.
>>10001848Understanding is a state then the subject can reliably operate any known aspect of a notion.
>>10003761is this fucking ad text? >Google Programmed an AI to Pick Apples. What Happened Next Will Make You Laugh Out Loud
>>9999898Intelligence doesn't require consciousness, which is what people like Elon Musk are worried about.