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Kindly no End Times or Age of Sigmar. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.

> Nurgley delight-edition.

> 1d4chan
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer_Fantasy

> Newbie Introduction to Warhammer Fantasy (Download, start reading at page 174 for the story and all the races)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/i330182xo9b1hsi/Rulebook+%28Hardback%29.pdf

> Third Party Miniature Manufacturers
http://pastebin.com/CvGaNyrk

> List of Warhammer recommended proxies
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/lexicon/index.php?lexicon/462-the-9th-age-miniature-library/

>Tomb Kings Range reborn!
https://tabletop-miniatures-solutions.com
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tms-undying-dynasties-army-release#/

> Bretonnia range reborn!
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tms-kingdom-of-equitaine-army-release

> Fimir range reborn!
http://krakongames.com/product-category/miniatures/fomorian/

> Warhammer Wikis
whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page
warhammerfb.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Wiki
warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Online_Wiki

> Resources (Armybooks, Supplements, Lore, Crunch and Warhammer Fantasy Role-play)
http://www.pastebin.com/8rnyAa1S
http://www.pastebin.com/0e6RuQux

> Endhammer
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Endhammer

> 9th Age
http://www.the-ninth-age.com

> Warhammer Online: Return of Reckoning (Alpha)
https://www.returnofreckoning.com/

> Total War: Warhammer
store.steampowered.com/app/364360/

> End Times: Vermintide
store.steampowered.com/app/235540/

> Mordheim: City of the Damned
store.steampowered.com/app/276810/

> Bloodbowl 2
store.steampowered.com/app/236690/

> Man O' War
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>>52277923
Whoops, done goof'd and forgot the name.
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Good job, OP.
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Will remake it properly when the time limit is up.
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I can still find the thread by searching up Warhammer, it's fine.

>>52276652
Technically those sorts of people wouldn't know how to fight as soldiers, even though hunters/poachers would probably be pressed as peasant archers. They might be able to defend themselves, but they'd be closer to a peasant mob than Men at Arms.

I would have loved Bretonnians recruiting criminals and bandits to serve in their armies, earning a pardon through military service and making use of people who actually roughly know how to kill, but you could argue it goes against the flavor of Bretonnia. When the High Elves see some lumberjacks being badass, they make an elite guard out of them. If Bretonnia saw lumberjacks being badass, they'd probably treat them worse for thinking they were as good as nobles.
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>woke up this morning
>still Warhammer CRPG
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>>52278133
Aren't white lions treated like some kinds of backwards hillbillies as well?
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Kindly no post 6th edition or Total War: Warhammer. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.
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>>52278741
pathetic
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>>52278741
Not even a good copypasta.
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>>52278688
I'm not sure - they seem well respected enough to me, and I know I think they're badass.
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>>52279026
They sure are badass. Maybe not the white lions themselves, but I'm pretty sure to have read somewhere that at least Chrace was considered a more backwards place compared to the rest of Ulthuan. It's basically countryside. Hopefully I'm not talking dumb shit right now.
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>>52279149
No, you have a point - for a long time it was just a place for people to get back to nature or be rednecks, I believe. It's only since Dark Elves started attacking there that it's gotten more, and even then it's fortified cities amid forests and mountains and plains.
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>>52279192
Why do Dark Elves have to ruin everything?
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>>52278741
0/10
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>>52278741
Fuck that's bad garbage, and I'm not that big of a fan of the last two editions.
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>>52278741

Kindly no AoS shills. If that is your cup of tea go to your local GW.
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>>52277923

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

There were still a few 2nd edition book covers to get through... so close.
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>>52273383

Kings of War, 9th Age and 8th Edition are the big three and probably account for over half the fan base. The rest are anything from older editions, skirmish games and homebrew.

None of the big three have a clear lead and it will totally depend on your area.

Good thing is, you can play all three with square bases.

9th Age is definitely the most popular in my area followed by 8th. Haven't seen much of KoW.
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>>52270345
I don't know which banner you mean anon?
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>>52278878
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>>52278878
I bet you nu-fantasy cucks are also okay with discussing endtimes? Because 7th made drastic changes to the lore that completely changed the feel of warhammer, and 8th is literally the setup for the endtimes. Anything after 6th is fanfiction tier garbage and should be treated as such. Warhammer is about peasant farmers defending their homes against impossible odds and dying in a ditch from a dung covered arrow. 7th and onward turned it into epic high fantasy where fucking laser beam dinosaurs and elves with flying chariots and steamshit tanks for the empire. Whatever happened to the common man? From the beginning, that's what warhammer has always been about. When you start focusing on armies and battles and monsters and epic heroes, you completely lose sight of the original feel of it. Anything after 6th completely fucks your beloved old world roughly in the ass with no lube, and might as well go in the shitter with age of smegmar. It's not canon, period, and should be ignored as such. Any faggots okay with this nonsense can go play with cataphract overdorfs steamshits with the 3 other mongs and their dog who actually play AoS
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>>52280656
>
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>>52279316
Because they can't win, so they might as well screw things up.
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Anyone in the northern NJ area looking for a 8th/9th player? Bret-fag here looking for a group/gamer bro to play with
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>>52280750
I admit I'm no picasso myself, but that is one awful shitty paintjob on those knights.
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>>52280782
work in progress foo' !
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>>52280656

I'm not reading all that shit nigger.

Next thread I'm changing the opening to read Warhammer Fantasy 1st to 8th edition just to piss you off.
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>>52278133
I mean, the nobles would probably not even notice the efforts of a peasant no matter what.

If he's an especially good meat shield he might get to keep one of his pigs this winter.
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>>52280835
Good luck with 'em.
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>>52281044
Wrong. You need to read Knights of the Grail and Barony of the Damned.

Better, smarter nobles often recognize more valuable, capable peasants. Hell, even a fucking Mousillonian vampire can. Social interaction is, however, very limited.
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>>52281057
Knights of the Grail is basically a canon unto itself, where the knights are reasonable overlords, the peasants sort of run the state, and the Lady takes care of the rich and poor alike.
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>>52278684
>no Gotrek and Felix side scrolling Beat em up
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>>52281511
To be fair, it's attempting to make sense of something that was twisted to not make sense due to grimdark, and was never fully explained anyway. And it still doesn't explain a lot of things, like trade and how some peasants can become skilled craftsmen or who actually builds all the stuff in Bretonnia.
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>>52281511
Knights of the Grail is canon, and there's nothing in it that GW didn't give the okay on.

You didn't think nobles stooped to merchantry or artisan trades in their cities, did you?
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>>52281750
>who actually builds all the stuff in Bretonnia

Wall wardens, apparently.
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>>52281511

It's almost as if in a period before the modern state each community was fairly individual.

Same goes for every other faction, the highest authority for most people is the local Lord, Prince or Count. There's a lot of room for individualism and so both can exist in tandem.
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>>52281057
I really wish they dropped the shit covered inbred peasants stuff. As part of the chivalrous code, a lord should be able to provide for his people and his villages and populace should appear healthy and prosperous. After all, if your lands are shit, how are you supposed to fund all those wars? If your peasants are all smelly hunchbacks, how are you supposed to have a healthy stock to draw capable men at arms from? Knights whose peasants are all grimderp flea ridden subhumans should be ridiculed by their fellow knights, and possibly have their right to the land challenged.
To avoid this becoming too noblebright, you could have some (most) lords go as far as order the execution of any crippled, deformed or exceptionally ugly citizens, leading to a massive population of mutants and ungors infesting the woods
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>>52282169
Your last suggestion was undertaken by a Mousillon noble, only he takes the mutants, murders them, and stores them for his impending zombie army to attack those fags in Lyonesse with.

Carcassonne is also known for relatively free, healthy, and militant peasants.

Some of the 'slavering inbred monster' stuff is tongue-in-cheek/propaganda.
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>>52280750

I swear to the Lady, if GW ever bring back Bretonnia as part of MtO I will drop at least £300 in one weekend.
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>>52281766
But how do they learn how to do that? I liked some concept art that portrayed architects as being almost monkish individuals, making it interesting to imagine them tied into the cult of Verena or some such.
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>>52282371
Apparently the nobles specifically select some of their peasants for education, "generously" paying for education...with the caveat that they'll be paying back the bill forever.

In the cities, you probably see the nascent middle class sending their children to learn trades.
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>>52282371

I imagine in exactly the same way real guilds worked in the medieval period.
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>>52282305
Don't get my feels up...
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>>52283133

We'll get there one day anon... one day.
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>>52283293
Honestly though...I hope GW doesn't bring them back. I hope that the 3rd party manufacturers begin making a killing on sales from us, and GW is left out in the cold. Serves them right, they had their chance to keep the race alive, they chose to bastardize it, and treat it like it was a forgotten step daughter of the red haired variety. So fuck 'em. They'd just want to revive them just to make money off of them, and do so by turning out beloved race into some Age of Sigmar franken-race.
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You know how most factions got some fuckhuge model towards the end of WFB? If the Bretonnians hadn't been skipped over, what unit do you think they would have?
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>>52283598
It wouldn't have been fuckhuge, but it would have either been Giles le Breton, mounted on some bad ass ride. or the Lady of the Lake herself or in some incarnate form.

That or, perhaps a huge ass wooden tower, that houses the grail itself. Think of a very very well made seige tower looking device, pulled by pegasus, and it can open up and has the grail inside, along with Giles' sword and lance. And it can have the properties of something like the Skaven Screaming bell... That's my idea anyway..
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>>52280656
>spouting /pol/ and /v/ terms
>not knowing that things like Steam Tanks existed as far back as 4th Edition

kek'd
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>>52277923
I see, OP decided to go with the no-name edition
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>>52280750
What store in northern NJ are you closest to?
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>>52283293
>tfw played Sisters and Brets
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>>52280656
>Whatever happened to the common man? From the beginning, that's what warhammer has always been about. When you start focusing on armies and battles and monsters and epic heroes, you completely lose sight of the original feel of
>focusing on the armies and battles in a war game
Kek, when's the last time you collected a "common man" model range? Oldfag roleplayer shits need to be hanged
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Interesting relics/artifacts either empire/dwarf esque or chaos esque?
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>>52286015
Ancient firethrower prototype designed to use melted warpstone.
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>>52283598
A portable belfry manned by hunchbacked monks. The ringing of the bells strikes terror into the hearts of the impure.
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>>52285710
>trigger discipline
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>>52280656
Steam tank is 4th edition.

Nice try tho.
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>>52286338
Anything else?
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>>52283598
a chapel carried by paesants
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>>52289490
Your request is extremely vague, way too much I would say, restrict the field to what you want and what use you expect to make of it

context son
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>>52289665
Anon from previous thread - i.e. something hidden in catacombs in secluded room, i.e. in a chest or something. A relic or something confiscated from chaos/necromancers.
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>>52288554
Oh wow let's fucking use some trigger discipline when we're about to shoot some guy, yeah, ain't that smart.
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>>52285945

Fuck off guy

If you don't Empire/Guard you're shit
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>>52289693
The first thing that passed in my mind was the mummified hand of someone relatively important cut off during a battle with a great beast
either a now fossilised dwarfen fist incised in runes, the hand of an imperial saint that still radiates holyness or the possessed hand of a wizard frosen in the heartbeat before unleashing a powerful spell.
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>>52291300
That's a great idea! Do you think they should do something mechanically aswell?
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>>52290992
>low self-esteem HFY faggot deteced
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>>52280656

>my only exposure to WHFB is the WHRPG and everyone must be a ratcatcher
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>>52283598

Hippogryph Grail Knights and Pegasus Grail Knights.

TW:W hit that nail on the head
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>>52283598
A super battering ram.
Also how come we never got any bretonnians Joan of arc counterpart?
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>>52291338
I'm not really suited for crunch, especially if we're talking about the rpg, but otherwise I'd make them either a one use bound spell or a continuous passive effect with some minor curse to compensate the use
>dwarf fist: heavy as fuck; passes on part of the wisdom of the ancients in the form of increased proficiency at using or identifying stuff, especially if dwarfen in origin
>saint hand: apply on the wound or the malediction for removal; can react impressively on daemons and undead; can be used again after a month if cleaned in sanctified oil; leaflet not included, but keep away from kids anyway.
>possessed wizard hand: one use ever; the spell unleashed is very dangerous (the players don't know exactly what spell it will cast but the being possessing the hand will try to convince them it will be useful to them); best accompanied by a dire situation practically forcing them to use it at some point
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>>52292461
Those are great aswell. Gosh darn, using this.
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>>52291455
But that's not a big fuckhueg model. Maybe some sort of giant statue of Giles le Breton come to life, covered in ivy and fern fronds?

>>52292203
Literally Repanse de Lyonesse.
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>>52290992
Imperial guard and empire soldiers are not common man according to that post, since the faggot said some shit about focusing on armies and battles instead of the common man. As if Warhammer started off as some peasant career simulator and the battles were only a vague background part of it.
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If I were to get into Warhammer Fantasy Role-play should I go with the first, second, or third edition?
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>>52293741
Second
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>>52285710
Sisters are getting plastic though.
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>>52292608
White Hart.
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>>52293741
Thanks!

Yeah, 3rd editions custom dice sounds shit.

And it looks like 2nd won some awards
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>>52294492
My Gisoreux brethren. There's already Great Stags in the lore, so it wouldn't be too crazy.
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Why are Total Warhammerfags the fucking worst?
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>>52293741
second
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>>52292608
Man, these designs are goofy, so it's surprising that CA managed to make the Luminark proportionate and realistic looking in the game.
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>>52295121
Because AoSfags are about twenty years away from getting a vidya of their own.
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>>52295215
The VC siege equipment is basically the back of the Coven Throne/Mortis Engine used in different builds.
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>>52295242
Yeah, not sure how I feel about those designs though.
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>>52295351
A lot of the siege towers are dumb.

The Empire, Bretonnian and Orc ones are decent. The Chaos one is ok. Although you have to wonder how they transport that shit around. The Beastman one is a little cartoony but mostly alright.
But the Dwarf and Wood Elf and Vampire towers are like novelty cake decorations.
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>>52295351
A bunch of orcs could probably nudge that and make it fall.
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>>52295720
Agreed. I'd really like to see a mod which makes them more realistic. Warhammer Fantasy needs to tread that thin line between history and fantasy, in my opinion, and those siege engines cross the line.
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>>52295942
I don't think Warhammer Fantasy should avoid fantasy - after all, that is in the name - but should use realistic elements to ground their fantasy. A giant statue isn't really realistic in any way - it's not feasible, and it's even a little over-ornate for dwarves.

Dwarven siege towers would probably have to be very cleverly made, since they don't trust wood as a good building material. They'd probably have a steel frame with iron slats, or something like that - and instead of a drawbridge-like thing on top, maybe a crank-powered piston, like a mining creation re-adapted for warfare.
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Kindly no post 6th edition, endtimes, age of sigmar or warhammer vidya. Go shill or troll elsewhere, this is for discussing real warhammer. For all intents and purposes, I don't feel like it should be canon
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>>52296491
How are you so autistic that you can't see that somebody already posted the shitpost.
>>52278741
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>>52295121
because you want a scapegoat to flame about
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>>52295720
for the longest time I thought the dwarfen siege towers didn't even have wheels

it's still retarded, dwarfs should be function over form
and have escalators considering the stunty fat legs
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>>52296669
Says the faggots so scared of AoS boogeymen they Blame them for the shitposting anti-TW oldfag even though it makes literally no sense
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>>52295121
Why do you think their bad?
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>>52296822
they're* oops
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>>52296745
I'm not a plurality nor I did accuse the AoSfags, it's at least one falseflagger shitting both threads
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Kindly more 1st-8th Edition and Total War: Warhammer. If at least one of those isn't your cup of tea, go shill or troll elsewhere. For all intents and purposes they're all the same universe.
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Kindly no Warhammer Fantasy. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.
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What would happen if some Wood Elves and Dryads and such on campaign got stuck in Lustria? Could they adapt and survive, or even thrive?
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where's the NJ bret player?
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>>52282169

A key part of feudalism was paternity, the idea that the owners of the land worked by the peasants had a social duty to them. When we industrialised, the removal of this and its replacement by the cash nexus caused huge social upheaval.

So really, I would imagine Bretonnian Lords, just like real Lords, did do what you say.

Read 'The English working-class' for more information.

I think for many questions in Fantasy just look at the real history.

Were there tyrant Barons? Yes. Were there land owners who took their social responsibility seriously? Yes.
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>>52297728

We have just about every other type of Elf so I imagine Jungle Elves are within the realm of possibility,

They could have been Dark Elf settlers who drifted off course.

Not sure about the Dryads, I don't know enough about them. Don't they need to be close to that huge Oak tree?
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>>52296822
He's trying to kill Fantasy by splitting the fan-base.

Point these individuals out to your local Witch Hunter, so they can burn them in the fires of Holy Sigmar and save all our souls.
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>>52298091
>He's trying to kill Fantasy by splitting the fan-base.
How are you so insecure to think a single shitposter could kill Fantasy (haha)?
Is it because you know TW is the only thing that's keeping Fantasy alive (haha)?
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>>52297901
I think England developed differently than countries like France, which remained strongly feudal well into the 18th century, where England kept slowly...I don't want to say modernizing, but heading towards a different political and economic system peacefully, rather than how France eventually erupted in violent revolution because of a mix of famine and heavy taxes and a backwards system of government finally collapsing without strong leadership. England also had more independent governance of its cities, and country gentry which took active part in their community, while even the poorest nobles of France did not, and this more closely fits the usual Bretonnian model.
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>>52298091
this.
WHFB fares bad enough as it is, so there is no point in internal quarrels
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>>52282169
>>52297901
Warhammer has always relied more on popular conceptions (or misconceptions) of history rather than the facts. It also tends toward darkness and pessimism more than historical accuracy. So I think it's in keeping with the style of the series that Bretonnia is depicted as a "dark age tyranny" rather than real-world feudalism.
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>>52298239
If people keep shitting up threads people will leave them. There's only so much autism people are willing to take.
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Kindly no factions except empire, Kislev and bretonnia. Warhammer fantasy is a setting about the common man and all other races are npcs. If you're here to shill elves or lizardmen, please go elsewhere.
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>>52298355
Are the norscans allowed? Sure, they're overly buff men, and some of them have the odd tentacle or spike, but they're still men, by and large, right?
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>>52298355
All mortal races are essentially common man. Even elves and dwarfs, for all their accomplishments, fuck up and are basically on the ropes a lot of the time. Lizardmen are harder but can still pull it off, specifically when they're getting rekt.

>>52298400
Yes. They're still men more often than not, they just have a completely different world view. They aren't slaves to Chaos all the time. Kurgans fill that better as they're next door to Chaos almost all the time.
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>>52297393
Does 1-3 count? They have almost no lore at all.
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>>52294192
after I sunk all my money into metal and had to live with a sub-par codex for years
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Kindly report all shitposters, and post Warhammer Fantasy images.
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>>52298276
After the Black Death, peasants could negotiate far better deals due to the lack of labour. In England, wages remained consistently high through into the 17th century. If I remember, the French peasants gained a lot of power in the short term, but it didn't last.
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>>52296598
don't bother replying
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This paintjob is fucking amazing and I love it.
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>>52298538
I wish I could do blades like that. Metal paint always looked off to me.
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>>52298488
Sure. Anything that fits your boat is welcome, I did say 1st-8th, which also encompasses 2 and 3, after all.
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Shameless, self centered game search here. Looking for some Warhammer Fantasy 8th or 9th, in Northern NJ...

or...

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay group, playing 2nd edition, preferably weekend games...

Anyone out thar?
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>>52298239

We like are' threads comfy round ere' stranger.

Be gone, and never darken are' doorway again.
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>>52298276

True, England and France are not comparable in the early modern period but in regards to paternalism and feudalism they were very similar in the medieval period which Bretonnia is loosely based on.

I was just using the violent uprisings of the early industrial period as an example of what happens when paternalism is stripped away.

Happened in France as well, the bread riots and the communes of the 19th century.

Long story short the OP was asking how they survive if they tread the peasants like shit and really they would socially but they would need their economic requirements met.

Also that's the 'The making of the English working-class', I accidentally used the short reference before.
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>>52298647

Have you looked on the 9th Age's map?
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Does anyone else know what the other hand signs are for the gods of the Old World? I know that each of the cults has their own hand signal, as listed in various stories, but the only one I know how to do is the Sigmarite comet with your forefinger, middle finger and thumb out sweeping down. I ask because a few of my new players in WFRP are taking their character's religion more serious and wanted to know but I could only tell the soldier who worshipped Sigmar as his patron god. I haven't been able to find anything on other signs in Tome of Salvation.
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Beast Men are the best faction, and if anyone things otherwise, they are a toddbringer
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>>52300104
Not canonical, but the hand gesture of the Grey Wolves would work well for Ulric. (Just don't make it around any Turks.)
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>>52299157
Map of?
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>>52300195

I jokingly said this was the hand signal for a follower of Morr (or Shallya), as I didn't know what it really is. I'm fairly certain Van Hal made one in the Black Plague series but it didn't elaborate on how his hand was formed.
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>>52300209
There's a map on T9A site showing communities that play.
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>>52300273
>>52300209
>>52298647
http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?thread/791-map-search-function/
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>>52298647
Where in Northern NJ? There are several stores around here that I frequent.
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>>52300375
Union area specifically
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>>52300480
Look into Time Warp, Highlander, Maplewood Hobby.
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>>52300616
Yea, trust me I know all of these stores..including the Game Room, and Satellite comics and games.. but I'm looking specifically for groups. I'm not the best in terms of socially gathering people. etc... I'd love to sort of just find a group specifically
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Speculation: The decline of elves is because of the decline of dragons, and vice versa. The Curse of Aenarion and the use of Widowmaker bound the two races together, so the less dragons there are the less elves there will be.
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>>52283293

>mon cheri

Sisters with dicks?
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>>52283373
This honestly. GW nowadays turns everything it touches into shit.
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>>52302039
M-my edit is better, baka.

Though I would not be surprised if Bretonnian knights associated roles with gender so much that they couldn't refer to anyone who wore armor and fought as a warrior as a woman.
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>>52297728

Technically Athel Loren is not a forest, is THE Forest.

WE were able to deepstrike morathi's fortress because she thought well to have her personal garden inside the wall.

So Lustrian We won't be "stranded", they would have just chosen to be there
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>>52300104
you might already know this but ranald's is crossing your index and your second finger. Like you were lying you know?
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>>52302268
Right. Some might be easier to guess at like gripping your hand like you're holding a spear for Myrmidia or something similar for Ulric, I'm just not sure about birds other than crossing your hands with your fingers held out together.
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>>52298512
flagellants are the tighest shit
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So how is all of that "kindly no _ edition, it's doesn't feel like warhammer" shitposting any different than the OP? Choosing what is and isn't canon based on feelings instead of just accepting true canon? Because that's what it sounds like when you fags say " kindly no endtimes."
AoS I can understand as off topic because it's a different setting, but endtimes is canon, prove me wrong.
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>>52298512
>tfw no daemonette gf
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>>52303419
it's just to avoid shitposting
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>>52300104
There's the sign of Sigmar's hammer, which is like blessing oneself except you trace a T shape over your body instead of a +.
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>>52303422
Thanks i would rather choose witch elf, sister of lothern or wardancer.
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>>52303419
Endtimes is part of the Age of Sigmar timeline that rewrote Storm of Chaos.
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>>52303477
So is 8th edition. Should that also be off topic since it's part of AoS?
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>>52303419
WHFB isn't supported anymore
WHRP is supported
WHRP is based on Storm of CHaos
Therefore Storm of Chaos is the current canon.
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>>52303487
>So is 8th edition. Should that also be off topic since it's part of AoS?
Mostly not, since 8th ed base lore is nearly identical to pre-SoC 6th ed.
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>>52300104
I'm guessing the Sigmarite equivalent of the middle finger is like the sign of the comet, except vertical, with pointer and middle finger up, palm turned inward. Implicit meaning is 'Sigmar smite thee.'

You could do the same with the regular old middle finger, though the allusion there would be to his hammer.
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>>52303492

I can live with this.

As far as I know Sigmar's Heirs gives the most up to date account of the Empire post-SoC.
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>>52303419

End Times was horse shit they threw out to end Warhammer. Nothing more.

The rules were shit also.

You can talk about End Times but nobody here is really going to accept it as canon is all we're saying.
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Is there a recommended list of novels? Some good omnibus to get
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>>52305653
*G&F up through the first two authors.
*The Genevieve books (I only liked Beasts in Velvet, but YMMV).
*The first two Ulrika novels. The third is...not great.
*Brunner the Bounty Hunter omnibus.
*Malus Darkblade omnibus.
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>>52303464
Sister of Avelorn.
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>>52305084
I like Tomb Kings being able to march and the sculpt for Nef and Ark though.
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>>52305653
Defenders of Ulthuan/Sons of Ellyrion.
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Can Tzeentch see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
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>>52303492
Except it's stopped being supported since february and was supported by a third party.
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>>52300104
I know you can find such information on the Warhammer wikia, on the pages for the Cults of various gods.
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>>52306395
TWW>SoC.

Rather than being kicked in the balls like a bitch in a shameful display of bad writing by Grimgor, I can give Archaon the death he deserves.

Being beaten back and forth like a tennis ball by Vlad and Isabella because he destroyed the Moot one too many times before they move onto the real threat, Skarsnik.
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>>52306395
And WHFB stopped being supported 2 years ago. Therefore WFRP is still the latest canon.
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>>52306499
Blood Bowl is the only canon, for it alone is supported without lore clusterfuck.
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>>52306499
FFG stopped supporting WFRP in 2014.
I don't get your point.
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How do i deal with the fear that is swimming in WFRP? There is so much that gives you minus on swim test even if you were to dress down to being naked.
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>>52306518
Blood Bowl is its own canon.
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>>52307788
Same Chaos, same canon.

Nuffle granted rerolls for Storm of Chaos which caused End Times.
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>>52306685
Don't swim.
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Anyone have the link for geheimnisnacht? I would really appreciate it, can't find it anywhere.
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>>52309030
Paradox forums.
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>>52309101
I'm on there but I can't access the forum since I'm pirating the game. Asking for a link to an upload for the mod to anyone kind enough to provide it.
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>>52309247
Search through desuarchive or something, a link was posted some threads ago.
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>>52309304
I've searched the keyword "geheimnisnacht" on every thread back to feb 11th and I'm not finding the link. Was it a megaupload?
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>>52309703
Yes.
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Searched a variety of keywords on all the threads, found a bunch of people enjoying the mod and some other cool stuff I'll share but I can't find the link to the mod. It can't have been any further back than Feb 11 I don't think.

https://mega.nz/#!vJpkSJZT!KAJzDHJkmPwDnIcS_LxWH7CtkATGmTu1dvFVlEo1hEo

https://mega.nz/#!6VAAGTgK!OTTv7fCcPfnfMaRerAAFkMgSImIm7dpFduVvXL0kzyc

Did the guy mispell the name of the mod and that's why? How can't I find it if I just search "mega"?
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>>52309852
Found a link for it from november 2016, no idea where that other one went. Piratebay please come back.
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>>52310095
Has the mod been updated since November 2016 or am I ok?
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I know High Kings maintain the primary Book Of Grudges inked in their own blood, but do all Kings maintain the official BoGs?
Each Dwarf likely has their own, every Hold does, most Clans do, and guilds most likely do as well.

But is Grudgescribing a thing? Because I feel like it should be. Not just because I want a reason to buy this model.
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>>52310433
I would guess so, going by pic related.
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>>52310508
That Dwarf makes me think The Redeemer in WFB is a Dawi Slayer/Irondrake.
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I've searched every thread with "media" as well and I still can't find the link that was posted not so long ago to Geheimnisnacht. Is 1.0.2 the latest version?
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>>52306103

Yeah tomb kings should have been able to march but liking ET because of that is like eating a hand full of cyanide capsules to get one jelly baby.
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>>52310508

That was a good find anon. Those Gallagher concepts are a treasure trove.
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>>52311602
I'm just saying that ET: Nagash is like 60-80% good.

The rest was a clusterfuck of fail, but ETN was a mixed bag with some really good stuff.
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>>52311602
B-But Brets could hire mercenaries! Such a delicious treat that is...
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If we went back in time to the time of Magnus the Pious, what would we loose?

Were steam tanks around then?
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>>52287387
>>52287387
Thats a doom bell
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>>52311877
No shit.
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>>52311755
Well, all named character humans and most named character Skaven. The Von Carsteins would have six leaders, including shit tier Mannfred and Konrad plus the four that sucked so bad they're barely even footnotes. Thorgrim would still be a minor King but Ungrim's son would still be alive. Eldyra would still be Tyrion's loli standard bearer and Teclis wouldn't be Loremaster yet. Gotrek and Felix weren't a thing yet. No Kemmler, and Krell is still dead.
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>>52300104
With Ulric, you lift your fist and then extend your pointer and pinky.

Shallyans kiss their hand, then put it over their heart.

Taalites and Rheans tap their thighs TWICE AND ONLY TWICE unless their trying to proposition someone, in which case tapping may continue.
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Are OnG only shades of green, or can they come in other colors like blue or red? I seem to recall Oldhammer had Orcs with grey skin but I'm not sure if it was retconned when they became fungus apes.
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>>52309030
Not sure if you're still having trouble, but /gsg/ has an archive in the OP which includes various CK2 mods such as Geheimnisnacht.
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>>52306355
Tzeentch is why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch
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>>52312066
Thank you
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>>52312055
Oldhammer had some greyish, brownish and blackish.
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>>52301901
the Elves were declining when the great civilisation of Nehekara was still young, they will still be declining when the Empire of Sigmar is long gone.

Elves live for thousands of years, even if they only last for three more generations, that's the age of the empire and then some more.

The Dragons are more or less dirctly linked to the vulcanic activity of Ulthuan, which may be influenced by the vortex.
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>>52312055

It seems that 99% of Orcs and Goblins are some shade of green but GW has shown off multi-coloured goblin tribes and had some explanation along the lines of 'the spores landed in X and this is why they are Y colour'. So it does exist but is very uncommon.

I have to say though, have you seen different coloured Orcs? They never look that good.
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Why would they put out video games set in Fantasy when it's completely abandoned on the tabletop front? The Age of Sigmar lore looks fucking awful. I want to play WHFB and the rule books are easy enough to get but the models aren't available anymore.

Why would they tease me with this far superior version of their product that is unavailable in any form besides video games?
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>>52314793
Because WHF video games generate mad money, whereas the tabletop game didn't. We should consider ourselves lucky that WHF is such an awesome and compelling setting that it can stand on its own two legs without the game that gave it life in the first place.

Play the Warhammer Fantasy RPG (2nd ed) anyway. It's a decent substitute if you want tabletop WHF antics.
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>>52314793
GamesWorkshop execs saw vidya as competition for the tabletop rather than advertising for it.

Now that they don't sell WFB, they are renting the IP to anyone who can string code and give them a cut.
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>>52296491
As someone who adores TWW, isn't this kind of true? Total War Wahrmmaer takes place in an alternative universe or something, right? Vladdy is alive, as is Azhag, and Isabelle.
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>>52315802

Technically yeah, but it's not really that much different. It's just Warhammer with some dead characters still alive so you can play as them, almost insignificant really.

And hell, if the little differences there make it so that End Times never happens, then I'll even prefer it over the "canon" one.
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just finished the campaign for TWW, and i took the time to read up on some of the characters. i thought it was some ongoing thing. didn't know about the end times, and how the world's come to a close. mad disappointed by that, and myself for not getting involved in the Warhammer franchise for the 30 some odd years it's been around. from an outside perspective, age of sigmar looks like garbage.
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>>52316019
Yeah. Quite a few of my friends got into Warhamemr through Total War: Warhammer, and were solely disappointed to learn they wouldn't be able to play the tabletop.

GW had potentially thousands of new customers and they blew it all.
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>>52315802
It's more a videogame adaptation, really. Some stuff has been changed to make it more of a fun vidya. Aside from the changes you mentioned, and a bit of change to the map, there's really little different about the lore, because it doesn't actually try to go by the lore too deeply. It's sort of like you can't necessarily call historical Total War games alternative history, because it's never necessarily trying to make different history, just giving the player a sandbox of nations to play around in - aside from what you start with, nothing will be identical to what happened historically.

Personally, I'm not that picky about the lore. I enjoy pre-End Times stuff mostly because the world hasn't collapsed yet and a non-collapsed world is more interesting to me, but End Times does bring up a few interesting things and even has some nice stories to them. I'm not going to cry lore purist about a setting that's only cared about by the fans anymore, you know?
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>>52317094

Can you give me a summary of what happens in End Times that makes it so generally maligned here?
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Soon...
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>>52314793

Well... 80% of the range is still sold.

What's stopping you.
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>>52317774

It is? Like, can I buy Vampire Counts?
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>>52317815

Yeah, the entire 'death' faction is just the Vampire Counts.

If you don't want to buy a million men then just use older editions of the game or Dragon Rampant.
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>>52317617
It destroyed the Warhammer world and ended the setting. That a good enough summary and reason?
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>>52317617
Pretty much all the non-Chaos factions get killed off, the world is blown up, and many secrets are haphazardly and clumsily revealed (Malekith was always supposed to be the Pheonix King, the Lady of the Lake is Lilleath, Belakor had the timeline reset button) while others are never properly touched on, with beloved characters getting the axe, sometimes with little more than a sentence to them, and others not getting mentioned at all (a writer ended up having to do his own unofficial explanation of what happened to the Orks and the Ogre Kingdoms.) Though there were also good moments, like Boris Todbringer and Khazrak One-Eye having a rather emotional final battle.

It's hard to explain if you weren't around when the End Times was happening, but while it was exciting, it was also rather horrifying, with entire factions getting destroyed or just mashed together into rough conglomerates. And looking back at how badly it was done makes me wonder: was it because GW was pressed for time or just trying to shuffle things along to make way for AoS, or was that legitimately the best they could do and thought was the most fun?
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>>52315802
Warhammer lore only began in 3e, and aside from 7e to 8e to End Times those editions all made huge changes anyway.
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>>52316216
Shit, they had a "like the game? Buy the model!" page full of models that were discontinued within two months.
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>>52317617
Half the characters hold the idiot ball so the plot can happen. The other half die stupid deaths, often unrelated to their established plot.
Elf Sauron was revealed in a TWEEST to be the real king of Elf Gondor, Elf Aragorn was a crazy asshole possessed by a crazy asshole.

Then everyone died and AoS happened.
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>>52318492
We know that internally GW is a complete fucking mess of terrible management and poor to no interdepartmental communication.

We also know they planned AoS from 5e based both on Gav interviews and model sketches for Sigmarines that actually looked good back then.

So...both.
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>>52318585
You forget that everyone died and AoS happened because Mannfred decided to kill the guy making magic so the world didn't blow up solely because nobody was paying attention to him, and literally the only thing that matters to him is being feared.
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>>52318653

This is the kind of retarded shoehorning that relegates ET to toilet paper.

That is just so out of character for him, he wants to rule the empire, why has he gone Saturday morning cartoon 'blow up the world' all of a sudden.

I'll answer this rhetorical question, he was the only person available and someone had to do it to kill Warhammer. All other concerns were secondary.
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>>52318763
Its even worse. Mannfred didn't end the world on purpose. He literally, without thought, killed Gelt as a way to fucking remind everyone he still existed.

He knew a bad outcome was going to occur, but lack of fucks about what that was.

In AoS he's even more of a whiny bitch.

But then again they character assassinated him a long time ago (early 7e) by making him the reason they knew how to kill Vlad, manipulating it so Konrad would take control of the Bloodline, and thinking he could betray Nagash easier than betraying Arkhan.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TotalWarWarhammer

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TotalWarWarhammer
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>>52318962
I'm surprised Total War Warhammer is so popular over there. It has a huge trope page. It also has a MASSIVE space battles community,

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/total-war-warhammer.337057/page-583
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>>52318962
Am I supposed to care about what TVTropes thinks about things? Am I supposed to enjoy having people declare everything tropes and sucking what little awesomeness there is to Warhammer Fantasy by sticking everything in a box and telling me every way it's been done before and is overused? Am I supposed to be praising you, anon?
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Did they reveal anything for us yet at adepticon? So far it looks like it's just been 40k and AoS stuff today
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>>52319458
Death Guard got revealed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7CUmdskOtI
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>>52315381
The tabletop didn't because the last 2 editions sucked so much ass the game was drained of fun.
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>>52319458
>So far it looks like it's just been 40k and AoS stuff today
Anon, I...
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>>52319816

I'm sorry? What's your Legion number again?
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>>52319327
Did you even check the page? They praise the fuck out of it.

Stop being a cunt.
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>>52320328
To be fair, Made To Order still applies to us.
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>>52320684
Why should I care that they're praising it? I already like it, I don't need their affirmation, or all the tropes they're going to connect to it. I'm sorry I don't like TVTropes.
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>>52310433
every clan has its own book of grudges
some dwarfs even mantain a more personal diary of grudges of sort too

if I was a longbeard tired of the unsatisfying battles of the present and the growing disdain of the youngbeards for traditions I'd go into battle with the sole purpose of writing down grudges and pestering my clan into avenging them
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>>52317617
got rid of all the mystery in the setting, pulled a lot of shit out of their ass and ultimately killed the setting at the end
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>>52317774
for now, three races have already been axed completely
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https://youtu.be/7dl0OtWqCa0

Well, fuck you too.
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>>52321081
I'm at work, care to give a rundown ?
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>>52321196
They made a joke partway through about 'all the square bases they have just laying around.'

I don't think it was meant to be insulting - early on they literally throw a drop pod down and joke about how much impact it'll bring to the game.
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HIGH/DORK ELFS WHEN CA???????
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>>52320695
mm, new Made to Order? any hints on what's coming?
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'sup?
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>>52315802
Total Warhammer is shit and filled with 1d4 fanboys
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>>52322877
words can't describe how much I hate their design
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>>52322933
As much as I agree with you I tell you to shut the fuck up and stop shitposting.
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>>52322877
>M'lady hat

Kek'd
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>>52322877
This is pretty retarded
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>>52322877

I actually think this is a great figure, and I like that GW can make lighthearted models in this day and age.

That said, it's absolutely not a Warhammer Fantasy figure.
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>>52323158
>>52322877
It's even worse that I actually like the dude himself and the cannon, but the floating thingy on top and the feet are awful
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>>52315802
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>>52317094
CA squishes the map so that it accomodates gameplay all the time.

Spain having more settlements than italy in attila springs to mind.
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>>52323239
>>52323192
>>52322877
>>52323124
a few of these guys look quite cool, but not the baloon dudes, obviously

and the whole idea of zeppeling-dwelling steampunk dwarf spacemarines is kinda cool, although it would hardly fit in WHFB
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>>52323606
I just don't like steampunk as a general rule so these guys don't do anything for me
>although it would hardly fit in WHFB
it's not in WHFB I guess
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>>52312479
MY BOY KHAZRAK BACK AT IT AGAIN
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>>52312479
Too bad there is no bookmark at SoC, only at three emperors (2000)
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I know I'm not alone in wishing AoS never happened, but for me, the biggest loss is the fucking Beastmen. I fucking love the Beastmen. It takes an incredible amount of self-restraint to not just straight up rip them off for my own settings, because I think they're so fucking cool.
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>>52323721
you mean the beastmen they completely ripped-off from Moorcock (like with most things Chaos)?
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>>52319458

They'll be showing off some new Elves today I think.

I'm going to be honest, I doubt there will be anything for us there.
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>>52324301
meh, High and Duck Elves were always kinda high-fantasy, so they are unlikely to change much even in AoS
heck, flying boat was completely AoS-tier and still sorta-kinda-almost fit
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>>52324377

Hopefully. What we need for Dark Elves are some generic characters and BSB's etc.
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>>52324448
if we're lucky, there'll be some sort of unit that's too overdesigned to be a r&f unit but good enough to count as a bunch of heroes
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>>52322785

SOON

https://comingsoon.totalwar.com/
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>>52324693
So, they made same teaser as for DoW3.
I guess all scaliefurfags would be happy.
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>>52283373

SoB are cancer and I am currently enjoying your tears thank you.
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>>52324812
(You)
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>>52283373
Weren't Brets squatted since 4E?
Go back to Total Shithammer.
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>>52324770
>>52324693
https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg
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>>52324693

I look forward to going on an expedition with Marco Columbo and some Empire merc's through the steaming jungles of Lustria for treasure and glory.
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>>52324770
Relic is CA's little derpy sister. After THQ went under CA rebuilt relic from the ground up.
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>>52323886
Why is it every time anyone mentions something they like someone is quick to say "RIP-OFF, FUCKING RIP-OFF"?
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>>52325157
because "stop liking things I don't like!"
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>>52325157
In the case of Beastmen, it's because they absolutely are rip-offs. Right down to the chaos worship. And I say this as a Beastman player.

So when someone says:
>It takes an incredible amount of self-restraint to not just straight up rip them off for my own settings, because I think they're so fucking cool.
That's pretty understandable. Because GW had the same problem.
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>>52325474
I haven't read any Moorcock so I didn't even know they were from that. I've been meaning to, though.
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>>52325492
They're more specifically a rip-off of the Broo from Glorantha.
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>At a Fantasy tournament this weekend
>Been looking forward to it for months
>mfw caught the flu yesterday

What offerings can I make to Nurgle /wfb/ to get better in time?
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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=884787185

Holy shit this map.

>>52325546
spread his love.
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>>52325474

It's not a rip-off though, more like a homage since they give Moorcock credit in the first edition.

They have always acknowledged him as their inspiration.
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>>52325526

On the topic of Beastmen, I wish they hadn't been sidelined so hard as antagonists. I think they're cooler than Chaos proper, and represent the forces of Chaos a lot better than a bunch of fallen humans do.
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>>52325586

Fucking kek, the comments are even better.

> B-but Karl Franz wouldn't do that...

A man can only take so much before he breaks. Welcome to the reign of Franz's Iron Fist.
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>>52325856

>For real wtf is this. So not lore friendly you are confusing the Empire from 40k for the Empire in fansty. The 40k Empire is zenophobic and would have death camps not Emporer Franz.


That grammar tho
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>>52325611
I should say that every WHFB army was appealing to me (except HE), and I'm pretty sad that the moment I get a good salary and enough time to profit, WHFB got axed.
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someone is leaking renders and artwork for the lizardmen on /twg/
get it while it's hot.
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>>52326029

They've been around a while, Elves as well.

The third party studios that CA use post them on art sharing websites. CA often add more detail to them though.




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