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Arms and Armor thread

Post rare armor types and you favorite styles of armor
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>>52797869
*your favorite
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wish there was more modern armor like this, I sadly only have the two pics
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>>52797980
Tell me more about this armor
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Modo Antiquo, aka ancient style armor. Also known as Heroic armor. It's a style from 15th century Italy, made to emulate the ancient greek and roman armors. They didn't know exactly what the greeks and romans wore, so they made fancy armor with a bunch of brass/bronze finishes.

It's beautiful style of armor, shame how rare it is. I don't think there's even a Wikipedia page on it
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>>52798410
damn it, I thought I changed the name on this pic to lamellar
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>>52798410
It is very nice, about how practical was it in combat?
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>>52798546
They weren't really meant for war as far as we know. Parades and festivals were very important during the period, so having special costumes made for them was a sound investment.
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>>52798440
I don't know why, but I love crossbows/scorpions/ballista.

This is pretty much porn.
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>>52797980
>>52798410

https://warosu.org/tg/last50/26587555
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>>52812665
I fucking love pavises
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I like poleweapons. Do you guys like poleweapons?
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Tell me serfs, what is needed of me.
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>>52814987

Is that Loss?
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>>52815185
It's some kind of guisarme-y thing. I don't know what a Loss is
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Crossbows are sexy.
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>>52815261
Sorry, /co/ meme/running gag.

I'd crack my Stone to see what he calls it (if he has it documented), but am too lazy/tired.

And yeah, I like poleweapons.
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>>52815261
Google seems to think it may be a billhook.
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>>52815549
Gorgeous.
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Does anyone have any men-at-arms images with kettle helmets? Preferably not full plate armour but maybe just chest plate? This is the kind of armour I like and I'm creating a sci-fantasy setting which is kind of He-Man-ish with medieval settings but modern tech. Any help would be fantastically appreciated.
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>>52797869
Arm armor coming soon, wooo!
Pic related
>it's them
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>>52817740
From whom did you order them?
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>>52817755
White armour
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>>52817765
White armour shop*
I should also add they have an etsy page and are based out of Ukraine (where all halfway decent to good and cheap armorsmiths live for some reason)
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>>52817755
Many thanks, some great pics here and some helmet designs I have never seen before. Bless-ye!
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>>52804317
What was the point of the metal skirt? Oh wait, is it for protection whilst on horseback? Just seen the front opening!
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>>52818372
French knights wore really big skirts underneath those metal ones, most early armor had no ass or crotch protection so the skirts hide it or, after the development of the metal one, make the commander stand out.
The skirt thing was an honor symbol
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>>52818394
Oh right, so I was completely wrong! Thanks, and that's why I love these threads, you always learn something.
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Extra leg protection in on-foot combat tournaments of the 1500s.
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>>52818412
No problem you're half right as the skirts also protect you and you're horse
>>52818446
This particular outfit is made for melee tournaments, the one posted was made for French cavalry (they had a name but it eludes me, also they were in AC brotherhood too), skirts were used to fair degree in tournaments but most people preferred short tassets hanging of theirs cuirass rather than something longer like that.
Trying to get up in that would be a lot harder.
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>>52818512
Same guy here just expanding
They're called bases and the plate ones could be taken off during unmounted combat
The French knights who were them were known as gendarmes
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>>52818512
>Trying to get up in that would be a lot harder.

Pretty sure from looking at the lames and their overlap >>52818446 is flexible/collapsible so wouldn't really hinder anything like that. Never seen a pic of the internal construction though.

Anyway, time for pron.
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>>52818706
Yuck finger gauntlets
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>>52802143
>"...my dream kit. I wish to be a reenactor, reenacting a reenactor reenacting."
Fucking kek
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>>52818574
First time hearing about that. Skirts being worn with armour wasn't exactly unusual during the 16th century, but those steel skirts were. They're usually only found on foot tourney armours and those that we got maybe one actually has hinged openings on the front and back to make mounting a saddle possible.
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>>52821742
Oops just saw that I wrote "can be taken off for unmounted combat" meant to write can be taken off for unmounted combat.
Sorry anon
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>>52822460
Mounted*
Autocorrect
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Ribbed for your pleasure.
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Horse Helmet (this probably has a technical name or at least a fancier sounding latin/french term)
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Metal plated horse arse
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>>52821044
Oh, hey, Thats me :3

>>52821742
The image in >>52818574 is the bottom of a waffenrock, not a tonlet. The katzenburg tonlet in >>52804317 is tournament armour.

Pic is a man in a waffenrock.

>>52823809
shaffron

>>52823835
crupper
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>>52823809
Chanfron
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>>52823955
>shaffron
>>52823967
>Chanfron

According to wiktionary, you're both right.
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KM/Gropey/anyone else

Have you ever seen a decent (inevitably speculative) recreation of the scale helmet, as depicted here an in many other bits of artwork of the era?
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>>52827536
Why speculate? We have several extant artifacts.
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>>52827767
And a modern reconstruction of the same
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>>52827767
This comes as a surprise to me. Especially given just how unlikely to survive they seem.
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>>52827805
You'd be surprised. I can at least think of three, but this is the only one I have saved on my phone.

They suffer the same fate as many other "low" or "common" armours: Those that do survive, languish in storage as they are not what the public at large wants to see.
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>>52827921
And the element of not seeing reenactors and the like using them because they're going to be less protective (and far less easily available) than typical designs.
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>>52828015
...That made more sense in my head.

The element of not seeing them around as reconstructions increased the surprise of finding out that there actually are extant examples.

Incidentally, got any rope helmets? I can't remember if those are actually supposed to exist or be a misinterpretation of designs like >>52827921 but the idea of a thick rope tied in a coil for a helmet is way more plausible than a lot of modern improvised helmets I've seen used.
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>>52797869
what is that type of helmet called?
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>>52828244
Here you go. I need to get around to making one, as its literally just a head-sized coiled basket.

>>52828373
Chapel de fer. You could also argue it being a peaked morion or kettle helmet.
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>>52828373
an early morion if I was to guess, there's a lot of overlap at the beginning of styles
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>>52828501
cheers
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>>52828373
Capacete/Cabasset, they are one of my prefered helmets.
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>>52832060
Cabasette and Morion are interchangeable.
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The wooden pommel a later replacement.
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White gloves on...
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>>52838282
What book is this? Looks really good.
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>>52838261
I had that book when I was a kid, I read it all the time
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>>52838519
One from the 70s, I would assume.
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>>52838261
>The Dark Ages

Outdated trash/10
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>>52827536
>scale helmet
>not lamellar helmets

Terrible fucking taste, bra.
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>>52838799
He was referring to the first few centuries after the collapse of the roman empire you wanna be pseudo intellectual tool
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anybody know of any plate armor that completely covers the entire body? I think the closest Ive seen still left the underside of the crotch unplated.
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>>52838975
That's late antiquity.

Also
>implying the Roman Empire ever collapsed.

It just shrank in the east and reconstituted itself on a more voluntary, democratic basis in the West.

>>52839037
There's at least one 16th cent english suit that got iron pants.
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>>52839083
>on a more voluntary, democratic basis in the West.
>feudalism was a democratic utopia guys!

must be some of those alternative facts there
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>>52800282
The small number of actual strikes to that armour suggests he'd have been better off just ditching the armour all together and taking cover instead. Most of the cops clearly just missed him.
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>>52818657
I've always wondered about those boots (sabatons?), when they're really long like that, is that because it's an armour for tournaments or something?

It seems odd to me, because on one hand it looks dangerous as fuck for a friendly tournament where you don't want to actually kill anyone, but for battlefield use, it seems like if you got unhorsed whilst wearing them, you'd be laughably incapable of maneuvering and fighting on foot. It'd be like trying to fight in diving fins, except rigid ones that'd bury themselves into the ground at every opportunity.
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>>52839037
Maximillian armor is the closest you'll get.

The crotch will always be un plated because knights were mounted. So for the crotch to be armored the knight would have been unable to walk once dismounted.
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>>52839037
Incredibly high-spec tournament armour of the early-mid 1500s. Only part un-plated is soles of feet.
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>>52839174
The thing is historians want to come up with new shit as to feel like they didnt make a horrible choice in education.

People from the fucking 1200s to 1990 were calling that era the dark ages.

Post acadamia liberal professors suffer from the same special snowflake syndrome all liberals have contracted and thus they are attempting to rewrite history.
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>>52839174
>democratic utopia
Nice strawman brah.

>>52839399
>The crotch will always

Not always. But rare, expensive, limited as all fuck in amount done and impractical for battlefield use.
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>>52839480
>Only part un-plated is soles of feet.
and the fingers by the look of it
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>>52839543
>People from the fucking 1200s to 1990 were calling that era the dark ages.

Petrach used to use the term to refer to the period 430-1200, 19th century atheist libertines used it to refer to EVERYTHING between 430- ca. 1650 due to CATHOLIC CHURCH DESTROYING MU FREEDUMS. The period shrank to the Early Middle Ages AGAIN a couple of decades later because people other than french libertines were writing history books as well.

It being completely dropped just means that they finally killed a bit of terminology that has always been ideological and never really told us shit about what actually went down during the period in question.

Really, "Migration Period" actually describes the events of the time accurately.
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>>52840092
There are novelty full plate gloves in Wunderkammer collections. They're hunting gear though.
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>>52840132
do you have a picture of them? That seems insane, as they would make your hands much less articulate
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>>52840266
I do not. The piece I got in mind's on display in the Hofjadgt und Rüstkammer in Vienna. One of our collectors got an image of it for sure.
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>>52812524
0_o

Is that real?
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>>52843860
no anon, that is called a drawing

it certainly could have been real, we have modern reconstructions that are pretty damn big
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>>52846667
you see a lot of scale shirts, with a curved section of scales around the neck and shoulders. Is there a reason for this, beyond style?
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>>52812480
Wait, does that still count as an arbalest? That looks more like a sort of micro-ballista to me.
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>>52847332
I've seen weapons like that called siege arbalests. They're way too big to use as a normal crossbow, but aren't quite as big as a ballista. Ballistas tend to have crews, while that looks like it could be operated by a single man.
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>>52847373
Huh. Thanks, I didn't know that.
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>>52847450
they very well could be called a ballista, many of the terms we use today to describe weapons and armor are modern terms. There was a massive variance over time, so the lines we draw between things are very blurred. Just look at polearms, they were made by slapping together as many pointy bits as possible with no real standardization
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>>52814924
>TARS in the middle
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>>52815643
Nah, senpai.
>>52812866
We vagir now
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>>52831947
Now my waifus can go to battle safely!
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>>52846646
The Irish really did love those sword pommels that consist of a ring and the sword's own tang protruding through it from the end of the grip.
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>>52850110
More like the English love it.
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>>52850337
It's a thing on English swords too? Huh, only ever seen it on Irish.
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>>52847450
I read somewhere that the word ballista was used before the middle-age by greeks and romans for engines that launched rocks. During that age it was then only used for arrow-launching engines.
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>>52850337
>>52850373
It's absolutely not a thing on English swords, it's a uniquely Irish thing. Never ever seen it on an English sword.
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>>52850373
Most likely the wealth of reproductions you see today are made by English for the English and for people with percentiles (aka Anglos in the US)
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>>52850337
English swords don't have anything like that, what are you on about
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>>52851214
>Most likely the wealth of reproductions you see today are made by English for the English and for people with percentiles (aka Anglos in the US)
What the fuck did you mean by this
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>>52851214
>Most likely the wealth of reproductions you see today are made by English for the English and for people with percentiles
What a bizarre assumption to make, what even gave you that idea?

I can tell you with absolute certainty that all of those reproductions were made by an Irish company called Irish Arms and were sold to an Irish living history group focusing on 16th century Irish history.
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>>52839229
It saved his life multiple times, didnt stop him from being shot through the hips
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>>52851750
fucker needed to learn about tassets, he'd have taken out more of them and lasted longer if he did
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I do wonder how people managed to fight in armour at all. You've only got a tiny slit to see through, so you can't see a fucking thing for a start. Then there's the sheer noise generated by a couple of hundred men in armour bashing each other with swords. Did people just wildly wave their weapons about and hope for the best?
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>>52858604
We have a lot of existing pictures that show that people would fight with their visors up. The point of full face helms like the sugarloaf and houndskull was to keep you safe while you charge in, protected from arrows and lances. Once you got into close quarters combat, you could take off your sugarloaf, revealing your smaller helm inside.

You also tend to move your head around a lot, to make up for the smaller field of vision. I wear a sallet and bevor, but a lot of the time put the visor up so I can see better. You're still very well protected with it up
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>>52858604
Between training and conditioning, as well as properly fitting harness, its really not difficult, aside from the whole "other people trying to kill you" part.

I mean, if my fat ass can do it, then a professional man at arms shouldn't have issues.
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>>52858604
Depending on the helm, the slit can be right up near your eyes and affords more vision than you might think.
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>>52815643
Who's ready for Bannerlord?
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>>52838624
well that narrows it down
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>>52838093
KM, I need stats on that beauty or a source
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>>52812492
what in the everloving fuck are those abominations?
Because I'm sure as fuck that those aren't landsknechts
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>>52815185
Nice one anon
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>>52870490
The one on the right is worse.

I think they may be fantasy though, as in Warhammer fantasy.

Which reminds me, I really ought to find a scan or do it myself of a book which has the Perry twins in it with some rather nice helmets, alongside a lot of pics of the Companie of Saynte George looking damn fancy.
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>>52871493
Yeah, the right one is worse but the harder you look the more painful it gets with both of them
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>>52871539
it's the legs that really get me. Like WTF is going on with that guy on the right's shoes, let alone the armour...
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>>52872320
or just look at the stuff on the waist of the left guy that may or may not a shemagh
Or the hosen troger stuff on the right that helds upp the ""brigandine legs""
Or the "crossguards" of the katzbalgers that are so wide that they could be from an urs graf picture but a cavalry charge could get through it.
Or the cap on the left ones katzbalger instead of a pommel
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>>52859602
Post your bucket?
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>>52873024
His helmet gets posted all the time. Its pretty swanky looking.
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>>52874181
His beats mine :/ but only because of the feather
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>>52874319
His is also like, 12 gauge spring-stainless and has two other faceplates or some shit.
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>>52815261
Where are these images coming from? Book?>>52809951
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>>52874364
Mines is 11 gauge hardened Mild steel, with neck and shoulder plates.
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>>52817740
>that chest plate...thing

Oh dear...

Nice hat though for sure.
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>>52874731
Looks like a regular brig to me....
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>>52875692
that's bad because it's not a brig. It's a corazzina.
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>>52875761
>>52875692
Looks like it's made from plastic barrels.
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>>52875845
Could just be new and shiny
Also could be that he's not using overlapping plates
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>>52875845
well, the oustise isn't metal but some kind of fabric or leather. by the looks of it I would say it's leather painted red which could look like this, especially if you throw some kind of filter on the photo
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>>52875938
Yea seconding this
Also looks like he doesn't have plates under it
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>>52876243
he does have. That's one of the points for corazzina's
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>>52875692
>>52875761

Looks very much like it's based on a Frankenstein's monster of a piece, complete with the non-functioning faulds.

Basically, it's based on what is not exactly a fake given it contains original materials, but might as well be because it was put together out of various bits in modern times, with major errors.
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>>52876309
I know
Usually you can see the plates under a brig or corrazina, even if it's covered in leather or cloth you can see creases where the lames move around
But the just in terms of how smooth it is and how there's no creases on it makes me think here aren't plates under
Or that he bought it from a really good smith
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>>52876472
well, most of the corazzinas are modeled after that one among mother repros.

>>52876475
>But the just in terms of how smooth it is and how there's no creases on it makes me think here aren't plates under
_if_ the outer layer is leather then it's not that impossible
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>>52876679
Leather creases like crazy even if it was the outer layer. Unless it's super stiff, every action he takes would crease the midsection in the very min
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>>52876679
It should look a lot more like this if it was modelled after something historical rather than a fucked up 'reconstruction'.
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>>52876783
no arguing on that one

>>52876724
not if it's stretched on the plate as it should be
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>>52817816
>>52817765
Give us a link? I've found a few Ukrainian venders, but not White Armour Shop
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>>52877115
Would you like me to give you all the Ukrainian armorers I like or just that one?
Also if you're in the US I can link some other armorers too you
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>>52797944
How are Pavise shields supposed to be held? is there a single handle in the ridge that you would hold like a round shield? Is it perpendicular to the ridge, like what we think legionary shields may have been? Or is were the handles bolted to the two sides so that the shield could be braced by the forearm? Or was it a combo or case by case thing?
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>>52877217
I ended up finding White Armour Shop through a google search rather than the etsy search engine, but I'd be glad for more links to armourers. And yes, I'm in the USA
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>>52877466
Oh nice!
They make a lot of SCA and some Larp gear but you can request HMB or ACL gear from them
Plus they do mirror finishes
I'll have to get back to you in like 45 min with some links to US armorers
Most US armorers I know mainly make armor for ACL or HMB
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>>52877396
Pretty much. And if I could get a bloody image search result that I could save I'd post an example from an extant pavise.
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>>52877396
You apparently had options.
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>>52877907
Neat!
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>>52874453
>Hardened mild vs. Spring Stainless
Peasant.
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>>52878502
Mild has some give to it
Sure it'll dent and scratch like a motherfucker but a wild fucking axe shot to the head won't have you bleeding from your nose
Stainless is also a bitch to drill through and out rivets in for a chinstrap and backstrap
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>>52874364
>>52878502
Gropey also has a professional armorer sponsoring him.

>>52878648
>Sure it'll dent and scratch like a motherfucker but a wild fucking axe shot to the head won't have you bleeding from your nose
Thats why you wear a helmet that fits and has good padding

>Stainless is also a bitch to drill through and out rivets in for a chinstrap and backstrap
Walmart sells carbide tipped drill bits.
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>>52878701
> I wear good padding AND it fits
As for carbide bits it takes forever to drill as opposed to the 4 seconds I get from mild
Plus the mild helmet is like 3mm thick
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>>52797869
I have a question

At an art museum there was a small collection of arms and armor. A plaque under a flanged mace said that maces were common when mail armor was the norm, and became less effective once plate was introduced, and maces became less common.

This doesn't make sense to me. Though a mace would be less effective against plate than mail, shouldn't a mace be one of the most effective hand weapons against plate armor, much more than swords? I would imagine maces can crumple armor and break limbs without having to pierce the armor. Am I wrong?

If not maces, what are the best hand to hand methods to go against plate armor with?
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>>52838123
Slings are my weapon waifu
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>>52879186
That does sound circumspect. You have to keep in mind that people didn't wear just plate armor. There were layers of heavy padded cloth and potentially mail beneath the plate exterior. A mace might be able to dimple armor, sure, but the padding would absorb a lot of the impact.

Pic related is much more effective.
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>>52797869
I feel like this armor could be part of an elite mercenary unit, or some other kind of specialized soldiers. For some reason I think this armor goes well with pikes. It also reminds me of a WW2 German SS soldier for some reason.
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>>52879710
Well, it probably would be used by a mercenary unit, it's a very common design for the time. And it goes with pikes because pikes were on the rise alongside that style of armour.
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>>52879186
The plaque is obviously imported from Opposite Land.

In Western Europe, maces were actually quite rare until the late 13/early 14th centuries. In other words not until we begin to enter the Transitional Armor period rather than the Age of Mail that maces were used with any frequency.

Maces have been used in Eastern Europe and the Middle East for centuries before they saw any real use in the west (and pre-14thC W.European maces are in E.European styles- example in pic) so usage may be largely cultural pre-plate. Certainly it was not a magical anti-mail device.

Maces were very effective against plate (compared to many other weapons) and saw the most use as a side-arm carried by armored men expecting to encounter similary well-equippped warriors.

>>52879710
The German WW1/WW2 was based on sallets, whereas the British and French went for variations on the Kettle Hat since if you need to reintroduce combat helmets quickly then pattern them off something that works.
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>>52880160
>The German WW1/WW2 stahlhelm
is what that should be.
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>>52877466
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/home.html
Icefalcon has great stuff, guys works mostly in stainless
http://www.aesirmetalwyrks.com/
They make really great helmets for LARP, SCA, HMB you name it
Plus the do a lot of customs
If you're more of a fighter http://nadlermetalcraftscom.ipage.com/store/page29.html
Guys sells good, safe albeit ugly looking stuff. Cheap too. Doesn't make his stuff but sells it cheap from other armorers
Http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/index.php
Great armorers, have used one of their helmets, just need to specify your widths and whatnot
https://www.etsy.com/shop/WhiteArmourShop
Here's white armor again if you needed it
For most armorers it takes a long time and a lot of communication to get custom or specially made armor
There are also Facebook armorers like Galivskiy who make amazing cheap, quality stuff, but ordering things off a guy on Facebook is always weird to say the least.
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>>52880487
Fuck I wish I had the money and reason to get some stuff.
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>>52880981
Yea dude it's not cheap
If you're an American bro the Armored Combat League is on the rise as a sport, you can try and join. They pretty much have a team for every state
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>>52881152
Nah, britfag, and before it comes up: my local reenactment peoples and associated groups are about 25-50% complete tossers who should be strung up by their balls and left near angry goats. About 5% of them are pure gold though but doesn't outweigh the bastards.
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>>52881586
Oh that's tough to hear m8
If anything, I hear the Irish and Welsh reenactors and fighters are pretty great guys. I'm American and I'm actually gonnna come and muck around on the UK reenacting scene October. I've been doing this for a bit and I definitely know what you mean by 5% of the people are pretty good.
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>>52881586
also if you're hurting for money but still want to reenact there's places where you can get JUST arming clothing, cloth armor and period wear
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>>52882638
I actually made most of my own kit back when I was trying and that chunk of bastards hadn't yet got to me. I went and did the research too rather than just following the guides, really got into the whole studying and 'living' history bit of things. If anything I enjoy that more than the fighting.
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>>52882843
Yea it can be pretty fun desu
Got a pic of your kit?
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>>52883121
Only of me in it, not posting that on 4chan though. It's nothing special anyway, best bit of it was probably the doublet, quite proud of how I got that to fit properly. Fighting kit was nothing special, the usual of jack, sallet and gauntlets that whilst not fancy, I really still should not have had for my status. But I do rather like having working fingers. Should have had much more old fashioned looking things with far smaller cuffs but the armourer insisted on making them quite large due to my lack of other arm protection beyond a fairly solid jack.

Still, knowing how to sew and tailor clothes without a machine is at least a partially handy life skill I got out of the whole affair.
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>>52883468
Yea fair enough makes sense
I use mitten style gauntlets with wide cuffs, having personally seen someone's finger mangled by and axe shot
Currently only helm and weapon but getting more stuff soon
Should have upper body and lower body by the October.
>sewing
Yup I feel ya
Have to sew a patch onto my gambeson cause I ripped the arming points off in a fight.
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>>52874319
Nice bucket. SCA or Buhurt?

>>52878648
I prefer a helmet that will last more than a season, myself. If you're getting nose bleeds, its your strapping and padding.

As for drilling, while I have a good power drill and tips, why would one be concerned with how quick it drills through? Its not like you want to drill it regularly.

>>52879186
No. That is retarded and completely backwards. Maces, hammers, axes and picks became the go-to armour defeating weapons.

>>52879372
Muh halfling.

>>52880487
>Ice Falcon
He doesn't make a damn thing himself, and upcharges 50% for the "privilege" of buying from him. You're better off buying direct from the armourers and weapon smiths he buys from. Also a dickbag to women.

>Aesir Metalwyrks
Great stuff, long turnaround.

>Nadler Metal Crafts
Imports Ukrainian made pieces and sells off the shelves. Prices are passable for the convenience factor.
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question about shields

is there any reason to use a kite shield over a heater or round shield? vice versa?
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>>52889109
It depends on the kind and size of the shields in question.

Kite shields do offer excellent protection to most of the body, and the flat-top variant that develops in the 12thC curves almost all around the body for maximum coverage. They are an excellent all-purpose shield, but are bulky and fairly heavy. They also don't require as much space to wield effectively which is an advantage in line combat.

The heater shield is used in a totally different fashion. They are much smaller and used to actively block and bind incoming blows whereas a kite is more static (you do block a bit but nowhere near the same level of movement). Heaters are small and light, and used with armour where the small size is not so much of a disadvantage and a bulky kite is overkill.

Round shields sort of sit in the middle, and the size is very important determining handling characteristics. Small rounds like targes or bucklers are used very actively and agressively to block and bind. They are very good in duels or small scale fights but are simply too small in larger battles where death could come from any direction.

Large round shields are meant to give enough coverage for use in battles, but are still used in a fairly active manner compared to a kite. Kite shields replaced large round shields historically in Europe over the 11thC and while they are used differently the kite is better for most tasks.

A flat-top kite would be my choice for a general purpose shield, with perhaps a heater or small round for a duel.

>t. re-enactor who fights with shields
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>>52887108
Bohurt

Hardened Mild helmets have lasted me some time desu

As for Icefalcon he makes helmets and few things himself, his cheaper stuff is from elsewhere, a few of my teammates bought his greaves and griffons bassinets from him.
Didn't know about the women thing tho
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>>52890637
Another SCAnon here. Andre barely makes shit. He buys from a half dozen armorers and charges you $200 to polish it. And yeah, he gives women massive shit I know as a gril myself
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>>52890946
I know about him making his stuff but having met the guy personally, the women thing caught me off guard.
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>>52891121
My 2 cents. I actually worked for one of the armorers. He will produce some in house work... Using other people's prefabricated parts and patterns.
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>>52891121
I've heard about his dislike for women fighters before. Not an unusual trait in oldschool uberduke types.
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>>52891666
This I know about, I've seen the weld lines in his Griffons
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>>52894087
I liked him better when he sold AB Hammer armor.
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>>52832259
>Cabasette and Morion are interchangeable.
Not really
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>>52895424
All my kit is AB, straight from Alan himself. He came out of retirement to work on my current harness.

>>52896314
I'd argue that in period at least, it they are. Morion is spanish, and Cabasette is Italian. There are plenty of morions without combs, and with round brims and with pear peaks, and vice versa. The line gets blurred.

KM might have something more to add on to it, but at Jamestown-Yorktown foundation, we catalogued them by defining features (combs, swept brims etc) instead of morion/cabasette/pikeman's pot.

Pic related: Define this helmet.
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>>52898990
By AB, do you mean Bijman? I hear he works a lot nowadays. One of my teammates lent me some plate arms that he got from him that were pretty good
His turnaround time is ridiculous from what I hear.
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>>52899060
No. Alan Bauldree. AB Hammer, out of Louisiana.
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>>52899087
Oh
You got a pic of the harness?
I'm also assuming he won't work on anything else, right?
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>>52899115
Only old pics posted a million times before. I havn't taken any updated pics recently, though I have a team photoshoot coming up soon.

>I'm also assuming he won't work on anything else, right?

Yeah. He's retired. His wife is going to track my ass down and kill me, because he's working himself to ill health over my kit.
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>>52899350
Well that sucks :/
I need to buy a bunch of stuff and I don't know if I'm gonna personally go cheap and fast or just save up and wait longer for more aesthetic pieces. I wish there are armorers who do sales :(
And I don't mean Age of Craft either
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>>52899439
The concept of a "sale" for a craftsman-artist making individual custom pieces, doesn't make sense.

What are you looking for design and period? What is the use of the harness, historic reenacting, larping, combat sports or decorating/costuming?
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>>52899505
Yea I figured

Mid-Late 14th century. Combat for the ACL(Armored Combat League) if you've heard of it.
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>>52899542
>Mid-Late 14th century
Thats literally the easiest to build cheap and efficient, if you're willing to buy off the shelf. You can also get on several facebook pages specifically for ACL sale and trade. Whats your budget and where are you located.

>ACL(Armored Combat League) if you've heard of it.

Uhhhh.... Yes. Pic related. Where you located? I am trying to get a local team registered, but our third just got deployed to Korea.
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>>52899622
NY, budgets like $2500. I see the posts all the time about the vendors but they're 90% of the time in Europe.

I'm on the NY team. We got two teams for now. Is there a third?
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>>52899736
I could have sworn there were 3-4 new york teams.

I am in the Historic Triangle of VA.
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>>52899622
Thanks, doc.
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>>52899796
Nope we have two, Manhattan and Long Island.
No one north of Westchester is in the ACL for some reason. We do have 10 other teams within the same region. You could try and message Jaye Brooks and as if there's been any interest in ACL in that part of VA. Know a couple of teams have done it.
You should Come up to NY with your team if you get a chance.
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>>52899892
I am already facebook friends with Jaye senior, and I am really pushing specifically for a local team, though there is a team three hours north of me. Jamestown (formerly James fort) is the only place in the United states that has an honest-to-god knightly history, and I want to have a team represent it. Pic is the Arms of Sir George Yeardley, the only knight to govern the new world.

The problem I am running into is the combo of cost of startup (or upgrade, as many could modify and improve existing SCA kit), and that the vast majority of interested/financially capable interest is military.
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>>52900056
*one of the only. Also got Raleigh. Still only here in the historic triangle.
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>>52900056
Oh that's a pretty bitchin coat of arms. And you def got history in your side so it's a double plus.

The cost thing is honestly so relevant to basically everything in this sport. In the immortal words of my Team Captain "this sport ain't cheap". Also I'm assuming you're wanting to open a gym or just start a team on paper?
Also, I'm assuming the people you've got that are down to join Are all active duty? Or that most of the interest around you is in Military related things?
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>>52900171
Well, having a day job, I am not interested in a gym, just a team that is willing to actually get together to drill and condition, as well as spar. Im already doing two SCA practices and a HEMA practice each week, but have no one to actually do ACL specific practice except for one other dude.

>I'm assuming the people you've got that are down to join Are all active duty?

Yep. Another aspect of VA. Everytime we get ready to register as a team... BOOM. Deployed. The folks in the local SCA and WMA groups are not quite ready to take the plunge.
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>>52900261
Oh that sounds tough.
Maybe as Steel Fighting gets bigger more people will be willing to join?




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