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Shot Heard Around The World Edition

Previous thread: >>52695315

Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.

List of mini providers:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit

List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R

ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes

/hwg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/

Games, Ospreys & References folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon%20Hill
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lx05hfgbic6b8/Naval_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ
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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
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19th April in military history:

531 – Battle of Callinicum: A Byzantine army under Belisarius is defeated by the Persians at Ar-Raqqah (northern Syria).
1608 – In Ireland O'Doherty's Rebellion is launched by the Burning of Derry
1677 – The French army captures the town of Cambrai held by Spanish troops.
1775 – American Revolutionary War: The war begins with an American victory in Concord during the battles of Lexington and Concord.
1809 – An Austrian corps is defeated by the forces of the Duchy of Warsaw in the Battle of Raszyn, part of the struggles of the Fifth Coalition. On the same day the Austrian main army is defeated by a First French Empire Corps led by Louis-Nicolas Davout at the Battle of Teugen-Hausen in Bavaria, part of a four-day campaign that ended in a French victory.
1861 – American Civil War: Baltimore riot of 1861: A pro-Secession mob in Baltimore, attacks United States Army troops marching through the city.
1943 – World War II: In Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising begins, after German troops enter the Warsaw Ghetto to round up the remaining Jews.
1951 – General Douglas MacArthur retires from the military.
1989 – A gun turret explodes on the USS Iowa, killing 47 sailors.
2000 – Security guard David Sanes killed in accidental bombing in Vieques, Puerto Rico that resulted in U.S. Navy closing down its bombing range there.
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It is 242 years since the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the first military engagements of the American Revolutionary War. They were fought in Massachusetts, within the towns of Lexington and Concord, near Boston. The battles marked the outbreak of open armed conflict between the Britain and thirteen of its colonies on the mainland of British America.

Following years of rising tensions and the occupation of Boston by British troops, the military governor of Massachusetts, General Thomas Gage, began moving to secure the colony's military supplies to keep them from the Patriot militias. His actions received official sanction when orders arrived from the Secretary of State commanding him to disarm the rebellious militias and to arrest key colonial leaders. Believing the militias to be hoarding supplies at Concord, Gage made plans for part of his force to march and occupy the town.

Gage sent a scouting party out of the city towards Concord. While this patrol gathered intelligence, it also alerted the colonials that the British were planning to move against them. Aware of Gage's orders, many key colonial figures left Boston to seek safety in the country. Two days after sending out the patrol, Gage ordered Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith to prepare a 700-man force to sortie from the city. Despite Gage's efforts to keep the raid secret, the colonists had long been aware of the British interest in Concord.

As a result, many of the supplies at Concord had been removed to other towns. Around 9:00-10:00 that night, Patriot leader Dr. Joseph Warren informed Paul Revere and William Dawes that the British would be embarking that night for Cambridge and the road to Lexington and Concord. Slipping out of the city by different routes, Revere and Dawes made their famous ride west to warn that the British were approaching. In Lexington, Captain John Parker mustered the town's militia and had them fall into ranks on the town green with orders not to fire unless fired upon.
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>>52802712
Around sunrise, Smith's advance force, led by Major John Pitcairn, arrived in Lexington. Riding forward, Pitcairn demanded the militia to disperse and lay down their arms. Parker partially complied and ordered his men to go home, but to retain their muskets. As the militia began to move, a shot rang out from an unknown source. This led to an exchange of fire which saw Pitcairn's horse hit twice. Charging forward the British drove the militia from the green.

Departing Lexington, the British pushed on towards Concord. Outside of the town, the Concord militia, unsure of what had transpired at Lexington, fell back through the town and took up a position on a hill across the North Bridge. Smith's men occupied the town and broke into detachments to search for the colonial munitions. As the British began their work, the Concord militia, led by Colonel James Barrett, was reinforced as other towns' militias arrived on the scene.

Seeing the smoke from the fire, Barrett and his men moved closer to the bridge and saw around 90-95 British troops fall back across the river. Advancing with 400 men, they were engaged by the British. Firing across the river, Barrett's men forced them back towards Concord. Unwilling to initiate further action, Barrett held his men back as Smith consolidated his forces for the march back to Boston. After a brief lunch, Smith ordered his troops to move out around noon. Throughout the morning, word of the fighting had spread, and colonial militias began racing to the area.

Aware that his situation was deteriorating, Smith deployed flankers to protect against colonial attacks as they marched. About a mile from Concord, the first in a series of militia attacks began, followed by another. After passing through Lincoln, Smith's troops were attacked at the "Bloody Angle" by 200 men. They were joined by other militiamen who took up positions across the road, catching the British in a crossfire.
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As the column neared Lexington, they were ambushed by Captain Parker's men. Seeking revenge for the morning's fight, they waited until Smith was in view before firing. Tired and bloodied from their march, the British were pleased to find reinforcements waiting for them Lexington. On the colonial side, overall command had been assumed by Brigadier General William Heath. Seeking to inflict maximum casualties, Heath endeavored to keep the British surrounded with a loose ring of militia for the remainder of the march. In this fashion, the militia poured fire in to the British ranks, while avoiding major confrontations, until the column reached the safety of Charlestown.

In the day's fighting, the Massachusetts militia lost 50 killed, 39 wounded, and 5 missing. For the British, the long march cost them 73 killed, 173 wounded, and 26 missing.

>By the rude bridge that arched the flood
>Their flag to April's breeze unfurled
>Here once the embattled farmers stood
>And fired the shot heard round the world.
- First verse of Emerson's "Concord Hymn"

http://www.mediafire.com/download/czo8eekjoepnkd5/Osprey+-+CAM+037+-+Boston+1775.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/f6ya81szzgk8nqe/Osprey+-+MAA+273+-+General+Washington's+Army+%281%29+1775-78.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/gst8vzz6cmqtzom/Osprey+-+MAA+285+-+King+George's+Army+1740-93+%281%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hw2yncm97j089cr/Osprey+-+MAA+289+-+King+George's+Army+1740-93+%282%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ejqzn3zj98280ov/Osprey+-+MAA+290+-+General+Washington's+Army+%282%29+1779-83.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/47ia2b0flhkl418/Osprey+-+MAA+292+-+King+George's+Army+1740-93+%283%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/yc6z628888fs5s1/Osprey+-+WAR+019+-+British+Redcoat+%281%29+1749-1793.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hxp44eoupcuzjii/Osprey+-+WAR+176+-+Patriot+Militiaman+in+the+American+Revolution+1775-82.pdf
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The community project this month was an obsolete unit or vehicle; post what you have!
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>>52802768
>Also try and find the old Command Decision "Barbarossa 25" campaign. It's Barbarossa at 1/25 scale (time, distance, units)
>It used to be in the OP mediafire but I didn't see it just now. Maybe someone can re-upload it or you can find it on google. It's got weather, airlifts, naval blockades, road congestion etc. Strategic moves are done on the GDW Europa hex maps with miniatures doing the fights. It might be more complex that you're looking for but take a browse anyways
It's still there!
http://www.mediafire.com/file/5m6ljy37aus679i/Command+Decision+-+Barbarossa.pdf
and the core rules might help
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2crr4c4iy88ixpy/Command+Decision.pdf
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>>52802697
>531 – Battle of Callinicum: A Byzantine army under Belisarius is defeated by the Persians at Ar-Raqqah (northern Syria).

Oddly I was reading last night about some Byzantine campaigns in Italy fightan Goths around that time. Seems like a very underrepresented period for wargaming despite it still being basically the ever-popular Romans versus everyone else.
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>>52802989
It's a great subject for gaming because of all the crazy and colorful units you can field too. There are some interesting Byzantine army choices in the DB(x) rulesets.
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Lacquered coffins adapted for modern air combat:

http://cubalibrewargame.blogspot.co.nz/2017/04/phantoms-over-havana-fight-1.html

As the designer, its always amazing to see what people get up to with the rules. A very exciting and tense AAR!
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>>52803969
That's really cool
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Anyone have a link for AK-47 Republic?
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>>52805613
It's in the OP under Moderns
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OT-64 SKOT
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>>52802989

It's a very peculiar period and the armies fighting in it are anything but Roman. And it's more the Goths fighting everyone else. And the Franks. And the Vandals. And Roman deserters (hilarious when a Roman rebel army in North Africa was attacked during a sandstorm and the loyalists and the rebels could no longer understand who was who).

I still remember how Narses' army was called a "bunch of people from a thousand nations" by the Goths at Taginae. Fun times, fun times.

To think that once I wrote an entire thesis on that.
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Salute this weekend, anyone going?
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Any of you guys played Swordpoint?
Got a scan?
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>>52811893
Nope, what is is?
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God I really do hope Warlord does the korean war like they talked about.

Also spectre operations anyone played it?
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What's a good/popular system for Napoleonics? Been wanting to branch out from Warhammer into historicals, and Napoleonics have always interested me.
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>>52813998

That's a hugely open-ended question. The best answer is likely going to be, "whatever people near you are already playing."

The second-best answer is going to be, "something you like in the same scale and basing conventions as what the people near you are already playing."

If neither of these applies (which is unlikely, as Napoleonics are pretty widespread), then you end up with the usual questions about what game scale and miniature scale you like best. The most common Naps minis scale is 15mm. Within that group, I'd personally recommend looking at: Napoleon's Battles, Shako!, General de Brigade, Blucher, and Republic to Empire.

Nap's Battles specifically is very widespread. It's not super-granular (things get "lost" in the system) because because you're playing at the Division/Corps level most of the time, but it's pretty easy to both find copies of the game and players of it.

I personally really like Blucher. It's largely replaced Shako! as my go-to general-purpose Naps ruleset, for what that's worth.

If you'd prefer a narrative skirmish Nap-era game, I HIGHLY recommend Sharpe Practice. It's just good. Black Powder also exists from Warlord Games, but it's mostly played in 28mm (ie, expensive) and to be totally honest, the times I've tried it out it felt mostly like Warhammer Fantasy Battles 5th edition sans magic phases, so I can't honestly recommend it.
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>>52811435
Sadly not. Have fun there, anon.
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Fall Weiss released for Ostfront - 1939 / 1940 Polish, French, British, Soviet and Wehrmacht lists, a map campaign and 3 stand-alone scenarios, all in one book.
A year in the making, 117 pages and with over 50 new units.

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/210137/Ostfront--Fall-Weiss

/shill :^)
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>>52814286
Thanks, I honestly have no idea what the gaming scene is like where I am outside of Warhammer, so I guess I'll have to look around and see what's being played.

I like 28mm, and was looking for an excuse to start buying some of perry miniatures Napoleonic range, but I guess I'll have to look into the rules more.
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>>52812406
Haven't heard any talk about it, only fans speculating about it because of a Centurion I think. They didn't do shit for WW1 either besides like two tanks.
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>>52812406
Played spectre. Fast paced and deadly infantry combat, vehicle rules are a bit pants
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>>52815944
Oh, I'm not going either. I suspect some of the other Greater Hampshire (the UK) based anons may though.

Gonna spend some dosh on figures anyway though. /blogshit
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>>52818343
>Greater Hampshire
Is that like Greater Serbia?
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>>52818544
Surprisingly similar.
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>>52811435
isn't salute now just manufactures now since they stopped clubs coming down their tables?
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>>52818697
Hampshire Stronk!
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>>52812269
Not >>52811893 but it's a larger scale game from Gripping Beast, the guys that made saga. Heard it was comparable to Hail Ceaser
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>>52818854
Gripping Beast didn't make SAGA, Studio Tomahawk did. GB were partnered for the figures.
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>>52818936
Oops, ... well you learn something new everyday!
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>>52818697
>>52818771

So, where do they go to remove kebab? Essex?
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>>52816242
I'm like you. A guy at the club started to look around for people to start playing Napoleonics with. I'm tempted but I want big nice units of 50+ models in them and I don't hink 28mm is the best option out there for that
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>>52811435
Yes. Haven't been in years, It's a shame lots of companies that I liked from last time aren't going to be showing up this year.
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>>52819927
Who's not going?
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>>52819983
None to be concerned over. None of them are /hwg/ friendly either, and if they are, they're terrible miniatures, Mick Yarrow comes to mind (I like them nonetheless though). Also I suppose Alternative-Armies/15mm.co.uk has some historical ranges.
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I think a lot of the more interesting things at Salute these days are not historicals. Whilst once a significant minority there, all the fantasy/sci-fi stuff, well those guys seem to put in a lot more effort for the show in terms of demos and displays. Part of that is of course due to having figure ranges attached to specific games, but still the historicals guys could do a lot more to pimp their shit. Especially the non-28mm peoples.

Yeah I get it's expensive but really, just having a trade stand and selling the same old shit doesn't exactly give any justification for visiting unless they're also shit at maintaining an online store. It's Salute after all, a fuckheug show that attracts an international crowd large enough for companies to do a significant percentage of their annual trade in a day there.

/unironically grognard-y rant about grognards being grogs

>>52818732
Doesn't look like it from the games list. Lots manufacturers, lot of clubs listed.
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You seem like the people to ask, since /his/ is terrible and I'm interested for wargaming reasons anyways
Say that somewhere between 61 and 63 the OAS succeeded in putting a bullet to De Gaulle.
Would the situation in France at the time have been dire enough for widespread insurrection and possibility civil war to have broken out?
I was just reading VBCW and that Winter of 78(?) blog thing and it got me thinking about other potential civil wars or collapses in western europe in the post-war era, and I thought of France.
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Terrain cabinet at the store was locked yesterday and no one had the combination, so we had to improvise.
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>>52821953
Well played, anon.
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>>52821953
>>52821971
Although in retrospect, I'm sad that the template full of tank traps wasn't made of Yugioh cards.
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>>52821971
It actually worked out pretty well. Forests are soft cover and rough terrain, islands and swamps are just rough terrain, mountains are LOS blockers. Only thing that wasn't very useful was plains.

>>52822017
...god damnit
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You see, Vladimir...
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>>52821515
De Gaulle fucking over NATO almost earned him a bullet from the CIA around the same time as well
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>>52822070
When wear armor like mine...
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>>52822231
I had way too much fun building these two
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>>52821953
>I shoot at your Tiger!
>I summon Nature's Defense for 1G so it gets +2 HP and survives

Sounds like fun, when will there be rules for it?
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>>52822231
But that's a Finn.
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>>52822375
Force of Will
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>>52822387
Oh right, been a while since I played MtG.

So, can I summon my Joraga Warcaller with like a thousand kickers to buff my Soviet conscripts?
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>>52822308
lol

since /wip/ mostly ignores everything that isn't Games Workshop I'll share this here.

Airbrushing is fun and good. I look forward to getting the whole setup done with the cross draft booth So I can go for hours without getting paint all over my house.
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>>52822386
He is talking to Ivans near the border
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>>52822519
Ah, I see.
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>>52821515
The communists would have gone for it, definitely, and the far-right elements, maybe with some spanish assistance, would have tried, too
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ZSU-23-4
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Can anyone recommend a history podcast? I'm not really interested in something that takes a layman's approach and being in this thread it should be clear that history through the lens of warfare/geopolitics is more important. Suggestions very welcome.
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>>52824929
History of Rome Podcast is the go to history podcast is you haven't listened to it. Revolutions, by the same guy, is also pretty well done.

I tried History of the Byzantines but that wasn't my thing. I also tried history of the Normans but that wasn't my thing either.

I am now listening to the History of China Podcast which is definitly my thing but is quite complicated (Chinese names are hard to keep apart especially when there are 10+ kingdoms fucking around). I really like it and it made me realice Chinese are probably the most fucking insane people around.

There was this general and he managed to capture 200.000 enemy soldiers. He could have freed them, he could have recruited them or he could have just straight up executed them.

No, no he buried them alive, all 200.000 of them.
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>>52825007
>No, no he buried them alive, all 200.000 of them.
He probably didn't.
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>>52825007
Chinese people also routinely kill every single one of your family members around if you fuck up.

One emperor had a minister of agriculture, and one of the friends was heard criticising a new law. THe minister was in the room but did not say a word at this criticism, he merely moved his lips.

To the council this was enough evidence that the minister had internally defeated the Empire, inside his own head. And his head was offcourse chopped off.
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>>52825041
In 1912, workers constructing the Longhai Railway unearthed large amounts of human remains at Yima, Henan, the site where Xiang Yu had the 200,000 surrendered Qin soldiers buried alive. The place has since been referred to as the "Chu pits"

Numbers are probably inflated true, but that's part of the course if you are reading history.
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>>52825087
>Numbers are probably inflated true, but that's part of the course if you are reading history.
Yes, the numbers are what I'm debating. I did my degree on Ancient History and took modules on Ancient Chinese history and basically all numbers are subject to be nonsense. I don't doubt he buried people (although again burying alive may be made up too, I'm no archaeologist - but it's hard to imagine 200,000 men or any reasonably large body of alive men being buried alive without a fight to the death, you have nothing to lose at that point).

also I think the phrase you are after is "par for the course"
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>>52816242

Definitely check Black Powder and if (as is likely) it seems to basic/simple, check out the Napoleonic supplement (both are in OP's Nap folder).

I'm also a GW refugee and therefore fixated on 28mm plastics, but I went for Ancients instead of Nappys. Since Warhammer Ancient Battles was kind of a big thing back in the day, it seems like there's more Warhammer-esque rulesets for Ancients-Medieval than there are for post-gunpowder eras.

Also I guess growth in troop-numbers in the post-renaissance eras makes it tougher to do the smaller-scale battles that Warhammer and 40k depict

One upshot to doing tons of 28mm plastic Napoleonics is it's easier to production-line paint them than pre-uniform era figures, even if you get autistic with historically accurate trims/unit insignia. The other upshot is, of course, the fantastic perry range which also tempts me to get into Napoleonics once I wrap up my ancients armies.
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BMP
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>>52827191
>MAGA
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Do you guys ever go through your collections and just find things you'd forgotten you'd even bought, let alone built and half-painted?

To point out the blatantly obvious, that's exactly what happened to me a couple of days ago. Apparently I have a half-done box of Perry War of the Roses bods and an un-assembled box of the mercs set (well, apparently a few are built as handgunners looking by the gaps in the sprues, no idea where they are though). So there's about 40-80 figures (depends on how many I build) hanging around I have no idea what to do with.
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>>52827399
Yes. I've got a 1/72 Merkava sitting back on my side of the workbench back at my parents house I had completely forgotten about. I'm thinking really hard about breaking it out and using it to learn airbrushing. Of course, then I'd need a small squad of IDF and then some insurgent types as an opfor, and then terrain, and then a damn rule set.
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>>52821515
You could also do the 1956 Hungarian Revolution or 68 Czech invasion assuming either became a more widespread conflict if you want to play with some Slavshit. In either case you could also easily have some CIA/MI6 et al agents provocateur as a faction

Also Hungary invading Romania to seize Erdely/Transylvania is not EOF a stretch but not entirely baseless
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LAV-75
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>>52803969
One thing to keep in mind is the backseaters in the F-4s. They provided an extra set of eyes in an engagement.
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Battlegroup Barbarossa, Blitzkrieg and Tobruk, when?
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>>52830336
Battlegroup Shanghai when?
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>>52830477
Dear Sir or Madam, I am quite sorry you misunderstood me. I blame myself, because I omitted several words from my post. But unlike a fictitious Battlegroup Shanghai, I can assure you that the Barbarossa, Blitzkrieg and Tobruk supplements to the Battlegroup miniature gaming series do exist. I meant to merely ask as to when (or even if) a scan or pdf of said books would be shared here by a kind soul. If I did so in a wrong or obnoxious form, I humbly ask your forgiveness.
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>>52825172
No one actually believes that Xerxes had 1 million men. The fact that anyone takes Chinese annals at face value with similar ridiculous statements is bizarre.
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>>52830659
Battlegroup Nomonhan when?
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>>52824874
what is this?
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>>52824929
My go to favourite is the BBC 'In our time' podcast. I really can't stress enough how good it is. They invite several historians to talk about a single topic and discuss it at length. Recently they had a show about the battle of Salamis and it was great. Gonna listen to the most recent one about Rosa Luxemburg next.
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>>52831030
Its a Shilka SPAAG my friend
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>>52811435
Heading off in about an hour myself, will bring a camera to take photographs.
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What are you playing this weekend?

A friend and I are going to be doing a built up city battle for Bolt Action. Finns vs. Soviets, 1944 vehicles and such. We're not doing any particular city or historical scenario though, just playing the game.
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So I'm gonna ask a history question here, because fuck /his/.

Was there ever a period in European history where Longbows, Crossbows, and Arquebuses all saw relatively equal fielding in war? As I suspect not, how long did they interact in any real capacity?
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>>52831546
Try the Italian wars? they were the end of the medieval period and the start of the pike and shot period, so bound to be plenty of overlap there, or perhaps slightly before them. the period from 1500 - 1560
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>>52831030

An "No-Fly Zone" sign posted on the battlefield.
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>>52831546
War of the Roses!
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>>52827399
I've been using these guys to play Chevauchee, since you get a tonne of figures in each box, and the weapon variety is pretty good.
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>>52822034
You could use plains to define fields, so that the edges of the area are counted as hedges/fences, or you could say the whole base table is some mild terrain type and the plains cards represent flatter areas.

a bunch of basic land cards are surprisingly useful even if you don't play mtg.
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Anyone have any of those sweet deals for the Warlord store? Like a 10% off or something.
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>>52831546
During the Burgundian wars Longbows and Crossbows were used a lot in the low/countries. Longsbows were more Popular in Flanders and Crossbows more popular in the Northern Netherlands. Handguns were used all round.
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I like bolt action
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>>52834562
Sssh anon, we all do, we just don't always like to admit it.

Plus it's kewl hating on popular stuff.
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Gonna do a small round-up of new miniatures previewed on Salute today. I'm just reposting these from various feeds

1/6 Perry Miniatures plastic Chasseurs a Cheval
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>>52834398
>>52831546
>>52831853

This. Italians and Burgundy, both relying on a ton of mercenary forces to supplement locals.
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2/6 Perry Miniatures Plastic Zulus
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3/6 Warlord plastic Landsknechts, these have been a long time coming.
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4/6 Warlord plastic British Airborne for ww2
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5/6 Warlord plastic British Napoleonic cavalry
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6/6 Warlord plastic Russians for the Crimean war
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>>52834741
gimmie gimmie now
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>>52834783
Interesting. Only one sprue with 6 bodies with almost the same pose though?
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>>52834721
This will be the third Salute they've been shown at I think. I saw them in 2015/16.
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>>52834741

Any word on a release date?

Have Germans and am trying to decide between Russians and Britbong airborne as my next project.
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>>52834867

I tend to like the marching poses, personally.

>>52834951

IIRC, Warlord bought these from Pro Gloria. Must be some sort of horrible design flaw that needed to be worked out.

TBQH I'm always really leery of new minis companies trying to crowdfund plastic miniatures. 99% chance of them failing, underestimating the cost of injection molds, etc.
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>>52835024
Nothing against marching poses, but some variety wouldn't hurt either. Like 4 guys marching, 2 guys being "in pose" for the front rank.
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I just got a job in D.C. - anyone know how the gaming community is in that area?
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>>52835024
>IIRC, Warlord bought these from Pro Gloria. Must be some sort of horrible design flaw that needed to be worked out.
Yes. The greatest design flaw - they are not WW2 Germans.
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7/6, Warlord plastic Waffen SS, overlooked these


>>52834867
>>52834951
Both the Crimean models and the landsknecht have been 'coming soon' for at least 3 years now yeah, this is especially telling in the Crimean Russians IMO. One can tell that plastic minis have evolved since these were designed

>>52834954
judging by how far developed they are, it cant be much longer till they are released
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>>52835107
Looks like the SS have been hitting the gym with the help of some extra "supplements". They look so god damn beefy.
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>>52835194
Like every Warlord mini lately. Or like ever.
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>>52835194
aryan ubermenschen, you know.
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>>52835107
>plastic waffen SS

Do they ship to Israel?
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>>52835194
Probably because they're 3ups which makes the proportions look weirder.
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>>52834721
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>>52835024
>Must be some sort of horrible design flaw that needed to be worked out.

I doubt that, it's more that they're not going to sell well and Warlord already had a huge backlog of shit that needed casting up for Bolt Action.

>>52835077
Nailed it.

Personally though, the idea of 28mm landsknects these days seems more like a nightmare than something desirable. I've painted them before and I cant imagine struggling through the required colour variety again.

>>52835253
They've been looking weird to my eyes in 28mm for a while now. I've had too much exposure to concentrated Perry Miniatures.
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>>52835107

Fuck yeah, Hanschar fezes!

Also, definitely glad I decided to do (plastic) grenadiers first and not shell out for metal SS.
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>>52835077

>A shoestring industry servicing a hobby most people haven't heard of focuses on releases they know will sell well instead of my own personal concept of what a fair division of attention between their product lines would entail.
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>>52835300
I'm just waiting for the Pro Gloria minis to start a Warhammer Empire army.
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>>52835513

I wouldn't. No one plays 9th Age and Age of Shitmar is terrible.
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>>52835445
Oh gee, and tell me, who the fuck will they fight, if you only make Germans?
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>>52835543
>9th age

I still have my fifth and sixth edition rulebooks but I mainly just want to paint state troopers, rules and gaming isn't that important to me.
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>>52835543
Other games are available.
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>>52835543
my club loves both of these
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>>52835107
>Warlord plastic Waffen SS

And here we have the new bestseller in their store..

But what makes these guys "Waffen SS"? They seem not to wear camo smocks


Any hint about plastic italians?
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>>52835569

>More plastic Britbong infantry coming out this quarter
>Plastic Japanese tanks and metal spear infantry coming out soon
>Plastic Soviet KV-1/2 and IS-2 tanks just released

Yeah, everyone else has it soooo bad.
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>>52835676

Those are indeed smocks. Look at their wrists.
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>>52835690
>Plastic Soviet KV-1/2 and IS-2 tanks just released
Loved those kits. Bought three of them
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>>52835690
>third plastic British kit
>like sixth or so German

Fuck off, same problem with Caesar. 6 out of 8 new releases are WW2 Germans.
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>>52835676
>But what makes these guys "Waffen SS"? They seem not to wear camo smocks
There is that SS-Handschar guy down the back there, and he's definitely wearing a smock
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>>52835702
> Feldwebel Will Ferrel of the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich on the Eastern Front, 1943 (colourised)
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>>52835232
Not really though.

Their Fallschirmjäger for example look kinda ok and the plastic paras pictured above look fine too.

Their recent US Airborne on the other hand..

>>52835702
True. I didn't notice. But some jackets with cap would have been nice too.
I still will get some of those steroid monsters, just for the variety of possible poses.
Sadly they are "late" (as the STG suggests). A proper early-mid box would have been more interesting but i guess i could mix them with the Blitzkrieg box.

Pic related is what i was really looking for in plastic.
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>>52835756
> Sturmmann markings

Well I fucked that one up.
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>>52835315
They sell heads with fezes in metal for years anon.

Maybe one head per sprue will be with a fez, but even this would be rather odd seeing that Handschar was only one (not that big or important) division.
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>>52835817
>Maybe one head per sprue will be with a fez, but even this would be rather odd seeing that Handschar was only one (not that big or important) division
They are one of those historical units that have always been popular with wargamers thanks to their distinctive appearance, and consequently appear more on the tabletop than they did in real life. See also: ACW Zouaves, Napoleonic Polish Lancers.
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>>52835932
Right.
And if they have 10-15 heads on that sprue (and with all of their different older plastic german head options available) one less steel helmet or field cap wearing head doesn't matter at all.
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>>52835631
I am sorry for your loss.
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>>52835932
>They are one of those historical units that have always been popular with wargamers thanks to their distinctive appearance, and consequently appear more on the tabletop than they did in real life. See also: ACW Zouaves, Napoleonic Polish Lancers.
Tigers, competent SS units.
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What would you guys recommend for ancients rules for someone who has never played a tabletop game before? DBA looks a tad too abstract for me and Field of Glory look really quite complicated. I've heard a lot of good things about Sword and Spear and its +-50 pages reassure me that it won't be too overly complicated. Is it 'noob-proof' or do you guys have any other recommendations?
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>>52831948
Good luck! Im behind 7 beamriders!
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>>52836100
Kings of War Historical desu.
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>>52836100
I think Hail Caesar is pretty straightforward although I've heard that the rulebook has layout problems.
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>>52835048
Pentagon does some great Wargames I heard

Is the Pentagon even in D.C?

As a side in, I am reading General Schwarzkopf's Biography right now, and it's a great read. Can recommend it to everybody interested in post-korea warfare.
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>>52836128
>implying Shilka needs to turn on the radar to F&ck $hit up.

git gud nigga
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>>52802675
OK, lads, in case I go mad some day (not soon):
what wars could be played with either of these boxes? And what systems would be good for them, especially if I want to go as close to 1:1 dude representation?
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>>52837607
with the second box you could do some excellent Afghan wargames, I think Osprey has a skirmish 1:1 level wargame, called ''The men who would be kings''. Its in the folders
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>>52837607
2nd Anglo Afghan, Anglo Egyption War, Sudan Expeditions, Anglo Zulu War, many other smaller African Conflicts and colonial eneterprises.
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>>52837607
This >>52838072 plus VSF stuff if you want to get all /awg/ about it.
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>>52838203
If you plop some arms from victoria miniatures onto them you also got praetorians from 40k
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Iv'e googled it but I cant find anything, does anyone know a company that sells wooden bases that have this little black spot on one side? I think it was their gimmick or their name of something. I only ask because I really like them and I'm running out. Thank you Anons.
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>>52839279
Also if I remember right they came with one side that had been coated with pva to aid flocking or sticking (that sort of thing).
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>>52838203
VSF?

On an unrelated question, is anyone interested in Force on Force?

Because I know a dude who would be willing to lend the Fallujah - Iraq 2004 and Classified books for scans!
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>>52839874
Victorian Science Fiction broseph
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>>52824929
Check out the Kings College London War Studies page of recorded lectures/talks. You'll find something interesting there.
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>>52840228
>GW trashing Warhammer (and thus The Empire being no more) is probably making Warlord worried with regards to these Pro Gloria Landsknechts.
Don't delete, there's no going back.

Why historical manufacturers should be concerned about fantasy games? Much to your surprise, people actually built Landsknecht armies for historicals, not for WHFB.
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>>52840228
Empire models are still available for AoS though, if Warlord can provide an alternative there's a market there. Especially if they can offer them cheaper on a per model basis.
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>>52840315
Because when those models were made originally Warhammer players were a significant proportion of people wanting to buy them, especially given the shit models GW put out to replace the old empire infantry.

And fuck all people play the Great Italian Wars. Even compared to other historicals stuff. Any pike&shot era stuff that isn't ECW or 30 Years War (already a small group) is really fucking niche, not the kind of appeal that can make money back on plastics easily. Warhammer Empire players alone almost certainly outnumbered the entire Great Italian Wars scene of all sclaes combined even whilst warhammer was dying on its ass.
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>>52840435
>Warhammer is dying
>so make a plastic box based on their need, but keep it historical
>but nearly nobody plays that period so eh
I fail to understand your logic.
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>>52840511
Was crowdfunded for a confirmed pre-existing market. And failed to meet minimum funding iirc.
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>>52840675
halfway through the campaign stopped as it was bought by Warlord.

The Italian Wars would be a big enough market, the fantasy players that would use them would be a bonus. I doubt very much it's because Fantasy is no longer officialy about.
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>>52817123

Pants how anon? Kinda shitty like bolt actions.
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Looking at the pics coming in from Salute... dunno why that anon was worried about lack of clubs running games earlier, most of the games look like some people just grabbed whatever spare terrain there was from their club and threw it down. Tons of those digital image grass mats going on too.

Anyone get any good loot this year at least?
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>>52842011
Too much modern military from Empress, Spectre' exclusive model and the last Razor quad bike w/ gun they had on the day, some scenary stuff (gold bars etc) from TTCombat and Crooked Dice's lawmen with M16s to make sure my security guards don't die like dogs in stealth games.

And then I got the loot known as "sitting on a train for 6 hours wishing for death"
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>>52842318
>Too much
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>>52842318
>6 hours

Where the fuck were you going from?
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>>52843229
inb4 'Hampshire'.

Though given how shit the trains can be it's not implausible it took that long.
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>>52820530
I know what you mean. There were some bloody breathtaking historical games going on and obviously historicals have to be more realistic than the bright prupleplanet of the bell ends from fantasy land, but walking in after building a custom table and seeing a club put out a tarp and chucking sand on it it a bit disheartening.
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>>52811626
>>52811479
>>52811460
So fucking cool
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>>52835817
>Handschar was only one (not that big or important) division.
Mostly known for desertion and war crimes.
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I heard somewhere that a lot of armor was probably painted colorfully and that we mistakenly depict it as unpainted and metallic because archaeological finds of armor have lost the paint to degradation ages ago.
Is that true or bullshit?
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>>52846010
Sounds like bullshit, there's plenty of art contemporary to the period that depicts what they looked like
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>>52831546
>>52831853
>>52832734
>>52834398
>>52834708

Did anyone in Europe outside the British Isles ever really use longbows? Or was all continental usage courtesy of English/Scottish/Welsh mercenaries?

>>52834721

I'm gonna buy so many of these if they ever actually get released

>>52834783

Were these bought by WLG from Wargames Factory? Are they going to do British/French?

Posting pic of comfy velites due to the volume of annoying questions
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>>52835716
>>52835569
>>52835077
>>52835765
>Pic related is what i was really looking for in plastic.

See? There's always a market for more
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>>52847598
>>>
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What armies are most popular in Bolt Action?

Is there any way to tell?
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>>52848980
Sales indicate germans, but they could be building tall and not wide.
I'd say probably not Italy though.
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>>52849484
Historical gamers tend to build a collection for both sides of a period, and whether you get US, British, or Soviets, they can all fight against Germans.
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>>52846010
>>52846037
Sometimes you just gotta go with the Rule of Cool. Painted armor looks awesome, and makes full plate a bit less boring, even if you just paint the helmet.

>>52847473
>Did anyone in Europe outside the British Isles ever really use longbows?
Flemish mercs used it as well IIRC.
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Do we have Blitzkrieg Commander somewhere in the files, or is it strangely gone?

>>52848980
Just like everywhere WWII, it's probably ZE GERMANS.
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>>52849962
It always gets DMCA'd, so it's on Mega and posted on request

https://mega.nz/#!2p8yTQbA!EIZTUGcO9WT1YSm7sz6GrEUQ-bYP0-p4tnrbkMFjFeg
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So only new plastics at the Perry booth were the Zulus? Nothing for the HYW?
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>>52845826
perfect
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>>52850298
it seemed like zulus, and new plastic Napoleonic French chaseurs a cheval
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>>52850412
Shame...was really hoping for English or French mounted.
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Finally found a copy (albeit a converted pdf) of CAM 285, which was published in July 2015 but has only now appeared online.

Lewes and Evesham 1264–65 - Simon de Montfort and the Barons' War (Osprey Campaign 285)

At the crescendo of the Second Barons' War were the battles of Lewes and Evesham. It was an era of high drama and intrigue, as tensions between crown and aristocracy had boiled over and a civil war erupted that would shape the future of English government. In this detailed study, Richard Brooks unravels the remarkable events of the battles of Lewes and Evesham, revealing the unusually tactical nature of the fighting, in sharp contrast to most medieval conflicts which were habitually settled by burning and ravaging. At Lewes, Simon de Montfort, the powerful renegade leader of the Baronial faction, won a vital victory, smashing the Royalist forces and capturing Henry III and Prince Edward. Edward escaped, however, to lead the Royalist armies to a crushing victory just a year later at Evesham. Using full colour illustrations, bird's-eye views and detailed maps to generate an arresting visual perspective of the fighting, this book tells the full story of the battles of Lewes and Evesham, the only pitched battles to be fought by English armies in the mid-13th century.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/sn2k8iu0my9au59/Osprey+-+CAM+285+-+Lewes+and+Evesham+1264-65.pdf
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>>52840065
basically redcoats on mars securing vital liftwood supplies and fending off the martian city-states, native tribes, and dastardly prussians through a mix of diplomacy, five rounds rapid, and the big guns.
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>>52846010
While there was painted armour, I think you're possibly thinking of statues. That pristine white marble look victorians so fetishised was bullshit, the classical civilisations painted them gaudy as fuck.
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>>52851300
>I know a dude who would be willing to lend the Fallujah - Iraq 2004 and Classified books for scans!
Those would be extremely welcome, anon
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>>52851338
Seconded
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>>52830336
This. I just want to know what the British lists will be.
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>>52843229
Edinburgh
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is there a Warlord games discount code for this month? Thinking of breaking into Pikeman's Lament

Any idea how warlord plastics scale with Bicorn?
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>>52851728
yeah that'd do it. When I used to go up to Durham even from the midlands that was still 4+ hours.
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>>52842318
>sitting on a train for 6 hours
You're a braver man than I. I live just off the ECML and... fuck that.
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>>52852021
Trains are comfy though. I always like going on trains because it feels like an adventure.
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>>52852049
Good Afternoon Michael Portillo
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trains are good and cool and definitely part of good wargaming if you're in a period that has them
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>>52852145
>Michael Portillo

No thank you.
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>>52845826
That mud is nicely done
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>>52851338
>>52851421
Two people? Good enough. Now, to find a scaner!
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>>52852021
I have to drive nearly 300 miles just to get to the nearest passenger station
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>>52845826
It's skillfully done but I really don't like the NMM armour on this. Looks really fucking weird.

>>52846010
Check an Arms&Armour thread for examples of where armour has been painted or had the paint known to be removed. It's not an easy yes/no question to answer.
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>>52852343
>he doesn't like a man who wears bright clothes and rides trains around the USA confusing the locals by being very posh
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>>52852770
I think you're thinking of Michael Palin the comedian/writer who has travelled extensively, not Portillo who is a politician who mostly hangs about on This Week talking politics and not going anywhere.
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I've been looking at getting into DBA/DBM.

What would be the best way to get started and what's the typical scale for minis used?
I'm in western Europe, in case that matters.
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>>52852843
Definitely thinking of the Railway enthusiast Michael Portillo who has done 3 BBC series on railway journeys.
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>>52852859
>What would be the best way to get started
Read the rules, have a look at PDF related, pick up one of the pre-made army packs some suppliers provide. Look up the Fanaticus Forum for dedicated discussion.

>what's the typical scale for minis used
The two most popular I've seen are 6mm and 15mm
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>>52852874
I can see why someone might want to be Micheal Palin though, but not Portillo.
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>>52830708
It's because the Chinese have a shit ton of cash and a huge chip on their shoulder.
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>>52824929
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History, they're long, context heavy and presented very well.
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>>52852770
>>52852874
>>52852903

As the person who was called Michael Portillo, I'd rather be Palin. I'm aware their travel work and while I appreciate Portillo's love of trains I'd rather not be a cunt/more of a cunt.
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>>52852496
Three!
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>>52852957
and highly annoying to listen to
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>>52853039
I disagree.
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>>52853039
I agree.
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World War II German Motorized Infantry & Panzergrenadiers (Osprey Elite 218)

In World War II Germany's doctrine of mobile warfare dominated the battlefield. By trial and error, the Germans were the first to correctly combine the strength in tanks and in mobile infantry and artillery. This integration of mobile units, equipment and tactics underpinned Germany's successes in the first half of the war. As the war dragged on, the Allies sought to copy German tactics but German armies remained supreme in this type of warfare until their losses had seriously degraded their capabilities. This study traces the development of the different types of unit that came together in the Panzergrenadier branch from the inter-war years through World War II. Using colour plates to display the changes in uniform, equipment and insignia in all theatres of operations throughout the conflict, this is a complete account of Hitler's elite armoured infantry.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/29fdchd1w1ird9c/Osprey+-+ELI+218+-+World+War+II+German+Motorized+Infantry+%26+Panzergrenadiers.pdf
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>>52852961
Is he related to Sarah Palin in any way? 'cause you know, Nazi moonbase and stuff.
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>>52853039
>>52853063
>>52853129
I'm indifferent.
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>>52853591
Hi Indifferent, I'm anon.
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>>52853743
I made that hoke approx. 43 time at my graduation ceremony from college and the guy I've graduated with me and was seated next to me wanted to kill me.

Sitting in 40C wearing tuxedos doesn't bring out the best of me.
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>>52853743
>>52853129

what flags are these?
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>>52854033
Sweden/Poland supplemented by various other armies troops due to lack of units apparently

>>52853771
I approve.
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>>52837607
>And what systems would be good for them

The Sword and the Flame

>especially if I want to go as close to 1:1 dude representation?

Still The Sword and The Flame, specifically the small unit variant in the back of the book

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jca61ybq4b37ssy/The+Sword+And+The+Flame.pdf
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>>52835048
Depends on which side of the potomac you settle on. If you're in Virginia I believe Huzzah Hobbies has a pretty active community, they're in Ashburn. If you're in Maryland, Dream Wizards in Rockville may suit your needs. If you're only interested in historical gaming, Huzzah may be your best bet as i'm sure they got the bulk of the Game Parlor's customers when it finally shut down a few years ago.
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>>52855075
I'd recommend Death in the Dark Continent too in case I'd have tried it, but it just got a new edition, plus previous rules are in the OP, so anon can give them a read.
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>>52851728
aw here also edinburger. You go to any of the local games clubs?
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Hey all I'm pretty "new" to history and I'm primarily a bolt action player in search of a good rank and file game. Just primarily looking for a good rank and file system, a good era to get immersed into, has to have good painting a modelling opportunities.
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>>52855994
Your question is very broad you'll need to narrow it down a little.

First of all by period, what 'rank and file' time do you like the most?
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>>52856039
Not him, but gonna piggy back of his question. I'm looking at getting in to Historicals, specifically Hail Caesar through Warlord Games.
Background would be Warhammer with a dash of Bolt Action and 40k.

Is there anything inherently wrong about Warlords historical mini-range or their rulesets? I'd be largely new to them and my google-fu just turns up rather out of date reviews.
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>>52856263
Their mini ranges are fine, you may not like the style but there are plenty of alternatives about if that's the case.

The rules are a different kettle of fish. If you ever played Warmaster (fantasy or ancient) then you'll have an understanding of Hail Caesar. The rules they produce tend to be divide people as they are rather broad in terms of scope, with a focus on broad sweeping movements and engagements rather than 'precision'. Which once again comes down to personal taste.

In my own experience the the rules are good for large games with several players. They should also be seen as a tool kit rather than a 'game system' and bodged and fiddled with as necessary for whatever conflicts/periods you're doing. They were however designed around this fiddling so are ameniable to it. I am not sure of many other ancients games with which to look at outside of DBA or War and Conquest.
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>>52856398
>The rules they produce tend to be divide people as they are rather broad in terms of scope,
This isn't why their rules are divisive, tonnes of people like army based rulesets which don't deal with the minutiae of soldier management. They are divisive because they tend to be lacking in period feel and are often poorly laid out with a focus on "friendly chit chat" style writing rather than logical rule structure. There's nothing wrong with them at all, and they will be very familiar for people with GW experience, but they are rarely one of the "best" games in their period.
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>>52856398
>>52856263
Warmaster was the shit. That game was fun and good and I wish more people played it. It was better at doing rank and file than WHFB.

If I wasn't already balls deep in a few other projects, I would be incredibly tempted...
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>>52856457
That's what I meant in terms of broad scope, they cover 200 hundred years in Black Powder with the same ruleset despite warfare being radically different throughout. This is also partly where the bodging and fiddling come in.

If I worded it poorly I appologise. I never suggested that they were the best merely that the Anon was asking about them.
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>>52856039

Dark Ages, Roman Golden Age, Pike and Shot era. Crusades.

>>52845826

Whatever era that is.
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>>52856537
Late medieval
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>>52856507
It is, however, not Warmaster. The basics and statlines will be familar with you but the force organisation is rather more fluid.
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>>52856507
Warlord rules are not like Warmaster I'm afraid.

You can however still play warmaster ancients, if you can find an opponent/get 2 armies and convince someone to play with you.
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>>52856581
The basics of stand activation and how it looks on the table is all I really remember, just the vibe/feel/general shit anyway.

>>52856626
It'll be a while. I am building a late war WW2 scenario right now and will look into this when I am done.
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>>52837607
Soldier's Companion. Bloody great set of colonial rules, done as a standalone supplement to Space: 1889 but designed from the ground up to be a solid historical game with VSF extras, rather than a VSF game you can use for historicals. Should be a PDF floating around, and there's a POD reprint available.
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>>52855630
I got to SESWC every now and then - normally as the one trying to push Ultramoderns on people
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>>52856557
Actually that's Braganza's Besiegers from GW's Dogs of War range...
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>>52856537
Saga for the dark ages & crusades periods. The rules are in the folders I believe.
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>>52857298

Looked into SAGA but isn't that more skirmish? thinking more mass battle but I do love how unique SAGA is.
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>>52852049
Agreed, but the prices are bloody extortion
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>>52857756
Long distance I agree, however I can get a day return to Brum for like 6 quid which is pretty good.
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>>52858547
Cost me £250 for two tickets from Newcastle to Kings Cross a couple of years back when I went. I priced up going to Salute this year but it was just too much for a single day. I wish there was something up my way; we're devoid of a lot of gaming related things up in Northumberland.
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>>52859075
>£250
The fuck is with UK train prices.
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>>52859075
Isn't there a convention in York? albeit not as big but still might save you time/money.
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>>52859148
Blame privatisation for a lot of it.

Thinking of old England, I've just put in for an order for 10mm war of the roses stuff. Might have to do another order later though to add yet more archers after reading a long debate about force ratios.
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>>52859075
The Joy of Six is in Sheffield, might be worth checking out.
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>>52859075
what the fuck? that's insane. I've paid £100 for an open return to Durham from the southern midlands.

>>52859271
Vapnartak is the York show.
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>>52859394
There's the thread on Lead Adventure which is rather good for looking at WoTR forces.
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>>52852975
Four, and I've already got Classified in paperback (but too lazy to cut it up & scan it)
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>>52859148
It's costing me £80 to get from Sheffield to Wiltshire in a couple of weeks time.
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are there any wargaming exebitions in the northwest of england?
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>>52860154
Phalanx in St Helens is the closest I can think of. It's not the 'real' north west.
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>>52860069
I've probably been reading the one you mean. Or many of them because lead adventure concentrates talent pretty well. Though they kinda suck for anything not 28mm. But hey, good for inspiration at least.
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>>52860707
It's a sticky if I remember correctly. it's rather well researched. LA is the only other tiny mans forum i can stand everything else is garbo.
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>>52856752

Let me second this. It's a good set of rules and the VSF is easily stripped out because Chadwick wrote it that way.
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>>52859899
I live in York and should really get along to the York wargames society sometime.

Lack of free time is the kicker right now.
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Anyone have any idea when Warlord's gonna start having Test of Honor in regular stock?
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BMP
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>>52861979
I know that's a pistol, but the way the guy second from the left is holding it and his spear makes it look like he's stabbing his horse THROUGH THE EYES.
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>>52864755
The horse dishonored it's family.
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>>52837607
>>52837787

I've read MWWBK and also a couple of battle reports, seems like a good way to play small-scale battles while building a larger force.

>>52840065
>>52851300

Perrys explicitly stated that the spiked "home service" head variant included in the Zulu Wars set is intended for VSF since I don't think it was actually ever used in combat
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Utility poles for Bolt Action terrain! I'm not going to do the wires, though, they'd just get caught on sleeves and break all the time
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>>52856457
>they are rarely one of the "best" games in their period.

This is the best way to describe HC/BP that I've seen yet. Can't really point at them and say "this is why they're unplayable," they're just best used as either an intro-system or a "get everything we own on the table over beer and pretzels without the slightest incentive for rules lawyering" (as the authers plainly admit in the books).

>>52856263

Nothing wrong with their historical range but if (as a fellow ex-Warhammer type) you want to get as much plastic as possible for versatility, price, and conversion-potential, Warlord are not the only gig in town for many eras.

My Macedonian army is made from Warlord Phalangites and WLG/Immortal hoplites, along with Victrix light/medium infantry sets. Warlord makes (metal) companion cavalry in linen armor, while Victrix is going to release them in unarmored and bronze cuirass varieties (also plastic) with the options to use javelins as well as lances. I intend to use both Victrix and WLG phalangites for variety.

So unlike with GW, doing historical you can and should branch out and put armies together from multiple manufacturers if they suit your needs, as long as they scale up well

There's at least a handful of plastic 28mm options for many of the eras/armies covered by HC

As far as rules go, it can be helpful to read through the Warhammer Ancient Battles rulebook (available in OP's folders) to get you thinking about historical armies and troop-types in warhammer terms, and then decide whether you want to move on to a WAB-successor (like War and Conquest) or move in the direction of a more HC-style ruleset, like To The Strongest. Generally more "historical" rules will put more emphasis on morale and command, and less on "statlines", heroes, and minute differences in equipment.

I based my figs on washers and magnetic movement trays, so that I can use them in just about any basing-scheme or individual casualty-removal if necessary
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>>52866275
Phone, why must you sideways my image
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>>52866275

good use of sprues! Ever since I learned how to do sprue rubble I've loved finding uses for them.

Might want to scrape off the letters on that one in the middle though
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>>52866375
I also have a bunch of czech hedgehods that are just crossed pieces of sprue glued together. Good for spicing up battles by creating "no tanks" zones
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>>52859148
One of the reasons I haven't gone to tank fest yet. Flying to England might actually be cheaper that getting to Bowington.

>>52859394
B-b-b-but anon, private business solves everything!
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>>52867063
A cheap flight from Hungary costs like 50GBP...even with the costs of traveling to our capital to get to the airport, and from the airport to the place of the event, it comes out to less than a hundred.
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>>52867095
I dragging my girlfriend into this mess, so all prices double. Also, since I'd be going to England, I'd at least want to get to london and have a look at some of the museums before the post-Brexit British army loots them for pikes.

>>52866256
Donwloading more rulesets for games I won't play and miniatures I won't buy. Life is cruel.
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I'm trying to do research on the Burgundian army but every academic article that looks interesting is in french.

It's also really annoying that every single book automatically gets it's title translated to English by my university website, that makes it hard to sort out the french books.

Sorry for blogpost have some knights
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>>52866275
You could use some thread for the wires and just stick it on when you set up the table, take it off afterwards? Wind a loop around each pole to hold the thread in place. It adds a lot to the look of the table, but the poles themselves add a hell of a lot so not having wires isn't that huge a deal.
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>>52868270
Who makes these guys? I'm interested for a WHFB empire army made of 100% alternative (historical) models.
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>>52868488
Perry Miniatures, it's the men at arms 1450-1500 set.
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>>52868488
They also make great pike-blocks and foot-knights
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>tfw you buy an ancient grog book on ebay
>it shows up, condition's great
>the publisher printed the rrp on the dust jacket
>you paid a penny less than rrp, over 40 years after publication
This makes up for all the inflated prices out there.
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>>52802675
I'm sure you guys had these topic before.

Looking forward to make 2 SAGA armies.
Thinking Norman and Vikings. Which manufacturers (Europe) have viable minis for that?
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>>52870362
Gripping Beast
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>>52870362
If you want plastic normans, I heartily recommend Conquest Games. A bit soft on the details at times, but other than that, quite excellent.

For plastic vikings, I actually recommend Gripping Beast, their Hirdmen for hearthguards, and Dark Age Warriiors for (duh) warriors. Kitbash, mix and have fun.
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>>52870419
>>52870420
Thanks.
I found some Zvevda viking boxes for a really low price, but looks like they are out of stock in every place.

Gripping Beast is the original maker of saga minis right? I saw it but it was too pricey for me to forge 2 playable armies. I forgot to mention I'm opting for cheaper options, even with mods required.
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>>52868495
>>52868505
How do they compare in size to wargame foundry?
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>>52871112
Foundry will probably be a bit chunkier, but depends on what range/sculptor.
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>>52871074
Zvezda makes 1:72 vikings. Tho if you're looking at that scale too, the new Strelets big army boxes are a really good choice - 60GBP gives you three fuckhueg armies of Normans, Saxons and Vikings.
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>>52871146
I don't really mind the scale as long as both armies will follow it. But I'd love to save some buck here.

These army boxes you mentioned. Should I look for some specific one with all these 3 factions or a separate box for each?
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>>52871220
The three boxes are:
- Norman Army at Hastings
- Saxon Army at Hastings
- Stamford Bridge

Look for them at Hannants if you're in the UK, think they still have some. Vikings will be the smallest as they only appear in the Stamford bridge, but still enough minis for 6pts Saga warbands.
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Hey guys, what paints do you use and where do you get them from?
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>>52871310
Thanks a lot.
This looks like the best option if only I can find it in my country (or with cheap shipment).
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>>52871524
cheap acrylic paints from local stationary store.
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>>52871625
No problem. They are worth the money IMHO, as while they look kinda bad unpainted, they are nice when painted up Also, those 3 boxes give oyu enough minis for mass combat games as well.
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>>52871524
Vallejo Model Colour, Foundry and occasionally GW.
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>>52871907
>Foundry
Same. They're kind of expensive on a per-colour basis, but the triads fit my painting style, the pots are big and full, and the paint sets work out pretty reasonably.

If you aren't into triadpainting, or prefer to make/mix your own, then they're probably not for you, but I like them.
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>>52871992
Oh, and I use the Army Painter washes. Not the tins of dip, the more conventional stuff.

One of them is basically identical to dear old devlan mud <3
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>>52871992
Yeah that's my reasoning. It makes my life easier for a few colours where different shades from other ranges don't mix/layer right. For large batches of dudes I can't be fucked to mix my own colours.

They always end up sending me some free figures when i order so I can't complain.
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>>52871992
Haven't tried them yet, but Foundry always tempts me...how are the coverage of their paints?
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>>52871143
Thanks for the answer.
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>>52872204
Fine, in my experience - I paint over black and don't have trouble putting the base paint down. IIRC a fair few years ago they had trouble with some of the colours, but nothing I've run into more recently.

Some of their paints aren't included in any of the sets they sell, btw, you have to buy them individually off the complete listing. £8 for the triad, £3.50 if you want separate pots. Shadow Pink is one that comes to mind, it's a bit more fantasy in tone than the other stuff.

Since they do triads it's not totally obvious, but the shade paint of Charcoal Black (34A) is the pure black in the range, while the highlight paint of Arctic Grey (33C) is their pure white.
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Pro-tip if you're buying foundry or otherwise using triad paints - you can get a three-tier nail polish rack off ebay for a couple of quid. Check sizes, but the ones I use hold 9-10 sets of three paints, neatly organised from dark to light.

Of course then you find yourself buying ten of the bloody things - at that point, make a cabinet or something, but they are handy for keeping things organised and they're easy to move around and put away when you need to clear some space.
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>>52868798
wot buk?
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>>52871524
Vallejo mainly with some Coat d'Arms and GW mixed in.

Army painter for washes although I'm getting some Flory weathering washes that I'm excited to try out.
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>>52872513
Featherstone, Solo Wargaming.
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>>52871809
Are pic related from these boxes? If yes they look great. Also I need rather cheaper pieces to screw up with my painting, so these fit perfectly.
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>>52873225
Yeah, they are. It has lots of sprues from various sets, the one on the pic are from the Saxons Before Battle set.
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>>52867123
>I dragging my girlfriend into this mess, so all prices double.

WOW are you FUCKING UP.

Be prepared for hissy fits at first when she loses or has bad games, quickly followed by a catalog of imagined sleights which leads her to dropping the hobby, then demands you not spend time or money on those "little toys", and finally demands you chose between your hobby and her golden vagina.

Don't worry though. War gaming has been around for over a century and we'll still be here after you're dumped/divorced.
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>>52874547
???????
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>>52874756
Hes a cunt that's shitposting now the thread has reached bump limit.
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>>52867123
is this you?
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>>52874547
I meant Bowington, you redpilled turd.

My girlfriend isn't interested in miniature games other than the occasional match of X-Wing.
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