Give praise to our savior, Karn Liberated, for keeping control faggotry out of our glorious format editionPlaying?Hating?Brewing?Are you planning on testing anything from the latest set in your deck? Do you think the new druid deck has legs to stand on?
>>52815483>Playing?Storm and Affinity>Hating?Nothing, really.>Brewing?I want a deck that can beat face but also win with a combo. I had a lot of the pieces for Eldritch-Allosaurus combo but I realized its too janky (4 for 1s are not good, who wouldve thought). I was thinking about building Knightfall combo instead, looks fun. >Are you planning on testing anything from the latest set in your deck? Not really. Set looks fun to play in limited but nothing I want to test on Modern or EDH. Hopefully Hour of Devastation will give me something.>Do you think the new druid deck has legs to stand on?Pros have been hyping it a bunch as part of abzan company and it makes sense. It looks like its going to be a thing.
>>52815483>Karn keeping control outI'd say Ugin and Ulamog are the bugger threats but honestly all 3 give control/midrange the stiff hard cock.
>>52816391Ugin's a better finisher than Karn, but he doesn't get value ASAP by blowing up lands, so I'd say he's less of a problem for most control decks.
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>>52815483honestly scared at the druid deck bec. that means less hate is available for coco (usually shut down by just GY hate)thank god for tron thoughalso is anyone also running abzan midrange? feels like it's a tough time to be midrange right now but i'll try to soldier on. What are your builds like? Is confidant back in the deck for good?
>>52816410Fair but midrange pretty much cant win once ugin is cast. Ugin WILL exile multiple cards when he hits the board and then tick up till he ults.
>>52816478It is a rough time. Eldrazi Tron and Bant Eldrazi are seeing a lot of play and bully us out of the format, and Jund Death's Shadow is just better, even Grixis Shadow. Also desu Dark Confidant is really bad right now. You side him out against all/most of the aggro decks in the format and against the popular slow decks right now you need a threat early; so Grim Flayer is the better choice.
>>52816582awesome, is abzan shadow an acceptable choice right now?
>>52816620It's playable for sure but the lack of access to tarfire to fuel delirium, Temur Battle Rage to close out games, and Ghor Clan to Trample past blockers makes it a little worse than Jund against most decks but the stronger in the mirror. I've been pondering a list, aurely playable especially at the fnm level
>>52816651ugh i don't want to shell out for bauble's though, feels bad...
>>52816719Yeah i know, i bought 2 for $30 each a while back and recently traded for the other two. It sucks but biting the bullet was worth it. I feel like once the banning anouncement happens monday if Death's Shadow doesnt see a ban they'll jump in price again, and i really dont expect a ban so.
>>52816527In all fairness, midrange cant really deal with a Karn or a ugin well. >>52816582Jund>Grixis in regards to deathshadow, but still a good deck. Went 3-1 first time playing the deck without a proper sideboard.
>>52815483Praise Karn may his deck never suffer another ban.>Playing?Burn>Hating?GBx>Building GB tron and affinity >Are you planning on testing anything from the latest set in your deck? Harsh mentor is gonna get a nice comfy spot in my SB>Do you think the new druid deck has legs to stand on?It's literally just another abzan coco deck it'll be fine but not back breaking
>>52816979Yeah Jund is certainly the better build, been on the jund deck for about 2 weeks and ive played a lot of Grixis shadow and only lost 1 time. Build the deck 2 fridays ago, top 8'd fnm and then the next day i played at a GPT and won. Deck sweet and very powerful.
>Playing?Affinity>Are you planning on testing anything from the latest set in your deck?No, this set looks pretty much like garbage for me. I'm willing to be proven wrong though.
>start fnm at 7pm>finish 4 rounds by 9:20pm>2 hours and 20 minute wait for prerelease nowNow what do I do?
>>52817674Play more Magic, get some food / coffee, take a nap, kill an enemy and absorb his essence. You know, whatever.
>>52817697>>52817753Thanks for the advice lads. I might some kithkins for modern now I am going to eat.
Honesty how long does it take to just not do a shitty crop? I mean really put at least a tiny amount of effort into your autistic pictures
So what is getting the ban?
>>52818159Doubt anything is getting a ban yet. If something does get banned, it'll probably be Mishra's Bauble or Street Wraith [spoilers]sorry Living End[/spoiler]
>>52818174>fucked up the spoiler tagfml
>playing/brewing5 colour giftstron>hatingDeath's Shadow kicks my ass, it feels like I just have to topdeck my way out of that matchup.>new set5colour land and cycling lands might be worth testing but space is so tight that it will be a struggle.
Is coco the most bullshit retarded fag rng card in the game? I mean really, the card literally just decides games on cast. Oh you spent turn 4 playing a single llanowar elf? Looks like you lose. Oh you hit the melira combo with it instead? Looks like you win. It's just such a gay ass fucking "lol so randumb XDDD" card and it take a lot of fun out of the game for me
>>52818257>ban a format stapleayy lmao
>>52818253I'm not saying I have problems with the decks that play it, I'm saying that it's a gay card and when someone casts it, just throw all skill and play out the window cause they either just won or lost the game based on their top 6 cards
>>52818159I think Traverse is the obvious choice. Traverse is really blatantly the card that broke the deck.
>>52818309Yeah it's retarded design.Also makes you cram your deck full of creatures so braindead little faggots get to play sideways: the tappening.Granted if it were a sorcery I'd have no problems because at least you could play around it with boardwipes.
>>52818348>sideways: the tappeningkek
>>52818348Ah yes, "play the way I want you to", the least braindead faggot of attitudes.
>>52818378Yes, you found someone who doesn't screech about other styles. Congrats.
>>52818378He is right though you know.
>>52818348>sideways: the tappening>using coco for anything but combothis is the competitive modern thread buddy, EDH is 2 blocks down
>>52818442And frontier is somewhere by the garbage dump.
>>52818395>implying all decks are created equally and deserve equal respectwow that's pretty noble of youdoes this mean I'm supposed to stop mocking people who play Lava Spike Tribal too?
I only cast artisanal barrel aged dry rubbed Kamigawa block cards, anyone who does otherwise is a triple faggot shitowl.
>>52818510I only play cards from blocks with shitty CGI art, boring spells and Hasbro-mandated comic book protagonists.What am I?
>>52818467If kids turning creatures sideways is so bad, just beat it and move on with your life. Or maybe that one lucky win a child peeled off you is what's keeping you from finally making it on the modern pro tour?
>>52818550>the modern pro tourkek
>>52818541"This person thinks I'm silly for tearing up IRL at people playing the wrong cards, surely they must love standard!"
so i've been playing around with collected company in a landfall shell. It has been working pretty reliably, but I would be interested in getting your thoughts.Creature (32)4x Knight of the Reliquary4x Lotus Cobra4x Qasali Ambusher4x Renegade Rallier4x Sakura-Tribe Elder4x Steppe Lynx4x Tireless Tracker4x Wild NacatlLand (21)4x Evolving Wilds1x Forest2x Kessig Wolf Run1x Mountain1x Plains4x Sacred Foundry4x Temple Garden4x Windswept HeathInstant (8)4x Collected Company4x Dromoka's CommandSideboard (15)3x Kitchen Finks3x Lightning Bolt2x Melira, Sylvok Outcast2x Path to Exile1x forest2x Scavenging Ooze2x Spirit of the Labyrinth
>>52818571>>52818550The Wizards Defense Force is really working this early in the morning?
>>52817548*blocks your path*
>>52818619Wizards work nine-to five just like us muggles.
>>52818625Yeah, I'm not looking forward to this. Thankfully, there is an answer that I already run in my SB.
>>52818619I must be pretty bad at my job since I think wizards is fucking up a lot of shit. But keep on with that "anyone who disagrees is a shill" plan buddy.
>>52818655So, what happens when the Burn player casts Boros Charm choosing indestructible? Im,not saying it'll happen every time or that it's even the correct play in that situation, I just want to know what you would do.
>>52818672Sigh and hope for another answer like galvanic blast. At least using it that way means he isn't throwing it at my face.
>>52818687Interesting. I play Burn and wasn't really sold in Harsh Mentor. But if I look at it like Eidolon, where it's a must answer card in certain matchups (Affinity and this new Druid combo/Abzan off the top of my head) I think I can get behind it. It's just such a strange card where it looks good, then bad, then good, then bad again.
>>52818735Well it depends on the board really. If steel overseer is my power card, I need to use my nexi to win, or spellskite is what's keeping me alive, then Mentor has got to go. If cranial plating, master of etherium, or a wide strategy with signal pest is what's going on, then not so much. Arcbound ravager depends on the life totals.
>>52818467>Lava Spike tribalBurn is the only deck left that keeps that cancerous piece of shit Tron in check. Its the hero we need not the one we deserve.
>>52819008Lol i play both. Eat shit, dickbeards
>>52819126Both are cancer, Burn is just significantly less cancerous as it as least beatable by a large amount of sideboard cards in every color and tight play. The sideboard cards against Tron do nothing, the only one even decent is Fulminator Mage and even then you need a way to recur him for multiple uses. It doesnt help that they keep banning all of Trons bad matchups like Infect and Twin.
>>52818735it's a sideboard for burn. eidolon is going to rail people regardless but mentor can hit certain decks that are going to slip in before eidolon is resolved.
>have Mine and Power Plant on the field and an Expedition Map>look at the visible fear in my opponents eyes as he plays his Tarmogoyf and passes>scream loudly "Crack Map!">search up Tower >untap draw slam Tower>another screech "Tron is online!">tap all my lands hastily and add up the mana, its 7 perfect>slam Karn>mull around with my dice for a couple minutes deciding whether to + or - him>finally exile my opponents land and say "its mine now">my next turn I play another Tron land and slam Ugin>he scoops>"good games man, Trons just such an intricate control deck, I really had a hard time choosing which land to play"
So I want to build something RG since I already play Esper. Is T&N or Ponza better right now?
>>52819689Do you want to splash ?If yes, I recomand B to play our lord and savior DSJ
>>52819689They both blow, but ponza has better match ups
Hey guys I really like control decks like Tron but I don't like red or green because I lost to burn one time and I don't like vegetables. How's UW Tron right now?
>>52820014A miserable little pile of signets.
Im really jonsed on this card. Is there any possible shenanigans that can go with it? I know chronomantic escape is something cheeky you could do.
>>52820251>chonomantic escape + paradox hazeWay too slow with too little of an effect to be worthwhile.I mean, you can do a search for Modern cards with upkeep triggers and see, but nothing is ringing any bells.
>LGS on my way home from work>Didn't have time today for FNM>Journey into Nyx discounted, pick 2 boosters>Open foil Keranos>mfw seeing its price I know I should trade him for fetchlands or something, but I'm probably going to keep it, it looks amazing. Shame it's too expensive for UR Delver
what would you like to see in Hour of Devastation that would theoretically improve the Modern meta?
>>52819689Build Titanshift>>52820251Pic related for total jank
>>52820438Better non-basic land destruction.
>>52820438Better basic land destruction
>>52820456>>52820478LD is badwrongfune and shall not be supported.Except maybe as a Creature.- Modern Mantra
>>52820497Even ghost quarter type effects would be fine.
>>52820335I mean, if you get more than 2 copies of haze out (im thinking about addi g 4 copy enchantment) then chronomantic escape turns into a lock of they can't counter it.
>>52820534Chronomantic escape is a sorcery. How are you using it to be more than a fog? Are you hoping to chain them together, in which case you need to draw multiple copies?
>>528205733 upkeeps, you remove every time counter each turnIt's stupid, but if it gets online it should work
>>52820601Oh wait, I see now. I missed the part where it suspends itself again.Still, this is a multiple card combo that doesn't win you the game.
>>52820639It locks them out of attacking so how are they gonna win?
>>52820730Lmao typical nu magic fag
>>52820730Non-creature combo or mill.The real question is: how are you going to win, given that you've spent multiple spots to set up this combo?
>>52820754I dont see the problem here. Unless you are playing against burn or say a chandra ult?
>>52820763I was thinking either with a darksteel reactor or maybe milling them with sphinx tutalage?
>>52820770Or Ad Nauseam or Storm or Valakut or Lantern or anything that can disrupt the lock (Tron etc.).
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-draw-go-v2/thoughts? suggestions? I'm least sure about my win con right now desu.
Ban the Urza lands
>>52821063Better fight to the death to make sure Blood Moon doesn't resolve.
>>52821063Not sure how I feel about Lingering Souls in main.
>>52821147Not him but I think it's pretty good. Lingering souls is busted against a lot of decks.
>>52821188That's why it's in the side already.
>>5282106323 lands feels a little low. I'd -1 Secure and -1 TT for 2 lands (1 being tar pit).
>>52821205I would argue it's good enough to have a spot in the main. It's a clock, it's a fog, it can blank discard, it just keeps on giving.
>>52821327It doesn't actually fit our game plan though. It isn't a finisher. It doesn't draw cards or counter spells. It's sorcery speed and not a sweeper.
>>52816427Needs more Pia's Revolution
>>52819172Twin/Tron as a whole match (instead of just looking at g1) was 50/50, educate yourself.
>>52821372It's a meta card that helps you stabilize against decks that want to rape your hand and hit you with 1 mana 8/8s and 2 mana 6/7s
>>52821113Having a counter on turn three isn't really an issue for me. If I don't have a counter but I do have Esper charm and the mana for it I can tap before BM resolves and use the mana in the pool to charm it.If it resolves I'm probably fucked though
>>52821147I can see where you're coming from. It does work though and splitting the cost among turns doesn't hurt that badly in draw go.
>>52821404>want to rape your handUnless it's non-targeted like Lili, they can and will pick something else. If there's nothing else for them to pick, you've already lost.>hit you with 1 mana 8/8s and 2 mana 6/7sWhich is why we run fatal push and path to exile, removing the thread rather than chumping it.
>>52821430You seem to live in some sort of fantasy land where the DSJ players are stupid and your hand is perfect
>want to play a janky meme deck that doesn't upset people when it winsWhat is the Cephalid Breakfast of Modern?
>>52818159Ban Eldrazi Temple.It's pushing out decks that would have better game against Death's Shadow.Turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer is bad and wotc should feel bad. Happens with some degree of consistencyEldrazi Aggro is 12% on that chart, just 1% under Death's Shadow.At the end of the day, Death's Shadow is a fair deck. It's simply well positioned in what is actually still an Eldrazi clusterfuck.Ban Ancient Stirrings.Tron, Eldrazi Aggro, Bant Eldrazi, Lantern all use it.It would be enough if it could get you a creature or land, but then it also goes and allows you to get an artifact too.It can give you extra consistency for a turn 2 Chalice of the Void to lock the game down, grab Ugin or Oblivion Stone or Engineered Explosives to wipe the board, or give selection for extra muscle like Walking Balista or an Eldrazi. In some builds it finds you Basilisk Collar (For Balista) or Eldrazi Displacer to prison-out the opponent.Notice the solution to the T2 Chalice consistency is Thoughtseize, which puts Death's Shadow over other options like burn.Death's Shadow is also a deck that gives a big fuck about tempo advantage so it naturally combats the opponent paying G every possible turn.Every deck that wants to answer Death's Shadow must also somehow answer Tron AND Eldrazi. And also do decently against the rest of the field.When you factor together Colorless Eldrazi, Bant Eldrazi, Tron and Lantern, you have well over 15% meta share.Eldrazi Temple, Ancient Stirrings, or both, are in each of those decks.Ban 'em.
>>52821443Err... know? If someone thoughtseizes you, why are they going to pick lingering souls instead of your esper charm or removal? If you don't have esper charm or removal, how are you going to win even with lingering souls?I agree that lingering souls is helpful in the SB to bring in against certain matches, but it's not a mainboard card.
>>52821430>they discard all of your removalWhat now?
>>52821474Then you lose, and lingering souls won't prevent that.
>>52821470...tell me more.
>>52821471I don't understand your reasoning. There are more matches you bring souls in rather than leave them out. And it's pretty much never a dead card. And it's such incredible value for a single card, it's almost unmatched in the modern card pool.But it's not worth it because it's not an instant or a counter, in a deck that's built to take the long game where lingering souls will shine?
>>52821487>chump blocking for 4 turns won't prevent thatMy personal experience playing junk tells me otherwise
>>52821063>23 lands>MD Souls>only 1 Rev>more than a miser's copy of Mana Leak>only two verdicts>23 landsBack to the drawing board, lad
>>52821552You run 6 forests and a stomping groundsplay all the ramp and 1 mana land tutors to get all 7 lands then drop a belcher
>>52821564>I don't understand your reasoning. Then you don't understand what esper draw-go is trying to do.>it's pretty much never a dead cardIt is not contributing to our game plan.>And it's such incredible value for a single cardYes, but it isn't what we want to be doing.>deck that's built to take the long game where lingering souls will shineNo, you are trading cards in order to chump block. The spot is better used by more counters or removal. The "clock" it provides is irrelevant since we have inevitability anyway.
>>52821602Junk is a midrange deck. Esper draw-go is not. They do not play the same.
>>52821648Is this why people call esper draw go a shitty meme deck? The pilots are too autistic to just play good card choices because they don't match the decks theory crafting?
>>52821602Souls works in chunk because you can use them to chump while you attack with other creatures. The chump blocking buys you time to win a race. Esper isn't going to race, they aren't going to control the board with creatures. They have to answer every threat, and souls doesn't do that outside of a handful of MUs where a 1/1 can actually block profitably.
>>52821690If you want to play good card, then by all means build a good-stuff midrange deck with my blessing. If you want to main Lingering Souls in Esper, it needs to be a tap-out build, not a draw-go build unless you are heavily metagaming.
>>52821751>>52821768Well you see the GP Las Vegas results disagree. The is what a GOOD esper control deck looks likehttp://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15276&d=292820&f=MO
>>52821690It doesn't match the theorycrafting and it doesn't play out well in testing. I know this because unlike you I've actually tested it. But go ahead and run Souls anyway. Nobody else is going to complain if you make a barely viable deck even shittier.
>>52821793Two can play that gamehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-esper-control-32587#paperAlso, GPT, not GP.
>>52821793>actually following mtgtop8's autistic naming schemeThat's a midrange deck senpaiAnon's trying to build Esper Draw-go
>>52821793>>52821893Yeah, this. Come on man, that thing has Tasigur and Angler in the mainboard.Glad the other anon pointed it out.
>>52821893Why build esper draw-go (bad) when you can build esper control (good) like the deck I linked?
>>52821928Why build either when you can build DSJ or Tron?
>>52821465Eldrazi aggro is eldrazi tron and bant eldrazi and only one of the decks use stirrings you moron and no deck uses it to grab chalice either or ballista either at least do some fucking research before crying for bans holy shit.
tfw I posted the link to the esper draw go deck and people are fighting about main board souls when it was supposed to be 2 of in sideboardNow that I have the two spots open what should I run in place? I'd prefer something that does damage and doesn't fuck with draw-go tempo.
>>52821974+1 verdict +1 creeping tar pit
>>52821974>Now that I have the two spots open what should I run in place?LANDSYour mana base is garbage right now>I'd prefer something that does damage and doesn't fuck with draw-go tempo.In that case, Clique
>>52821974You need 26 lands and a reworked manabase honestly and I don't like serum visions in the deck at all from my experience. I don't know what your meta looks like but I was running ~2 spell snare and countersquall in my counter magic suite and 0 mana leak and more logic knot because leak is often useless in the deck since we will go long. I'd probably be running 3 wraths and less planeswalkers in the main but like I said I don't know your meta.If you want damage and something that fits in to control then V Clique is what you want.
>>52815483Please use this image for the next modern thread it took me a very long time to make and it would help my low self esteem
>>52821793That isn't a control deck, it's delver minus delver.
>Playing?Grixis delver >Hating?Grixis shadow for being better>Brewing?Nothing atm, might try to fit black delver into Grixis shadow>Are you planning on testing anything from the latest set in your deck? Harsh mentor might get some sideboard slots>Do you think the new druid deck has legs to stand on? I'm not sure what this is referring to, but I like to believe so
>>52823730>it's delver minus delverWhat's 1 minus 1?
>>52822258What do you mean by rework the mana base? What is the problem and what needs to be reworked?
>>52815483>Karn Liberated, for keeping control faggotry out of our glorious formatLol, you dont understand how modern work, do you? Karn has nothing to do with the lack of control in modern.
>>52824059Too many shocklands and checklands, not enough fetches and basics. 4 Colonnade is better than the 2/2 split. Also you need 25 lands if you play Serum and 26 if you don't. Why? Turn 4 wrath/cryptic and big revs are the best plays you have, to pull those off reliably you need to make land drops all game.
>>52824043>[delver, the archetype including delve cards for cheap threats] minus [delver, the aggressive U flyer]cut 4 delvers for lingering souls and that's that list basically
>>52821793>I actually know the guy that played that deckAnd yes it's midrange/tempo not control
>>52824059you're not running nearly enough fetchlands for the revolt on push, you should be running full flooded and polluted. You need to readjust if you're splitting between collonade and tar pit and adjust UW accordingly. That 26th land is also important if you're going to run 2 sphinx's rev because you need the land for making land drops on time and the payoff. You also need 3 basic island for blood moon as well. Just my opnion by tar pit is shit in this deck and you're better off with collonade.As for the changes I see, I think 2 clique main is too much I'd probably split them between the side. This isn't really a deck where you want mana leak at all. You can't close games quickly and it almost always becomes a useless card lategame and it doesn't exactly play nicely with path. For reference my suite looked something like 3 logic knot, 2 countersquall and 2 spell snare but obviously that's meta dependent.
>>52824075suspicious as fuck
>>52815688What about the zoo that use retreat to coralhelm+knight of the reliquary?
>>52824744I mean, you asked for something that can beat face and win with a combo, doesn't that work?
>>52824734that version of knightfall is shit senpai he's better off playing regular knightfallt. knightfall player
>PlayingUnfinished naya burn>Hating Tron>brewing NadaPlanning on getting a playset of harsh mentor to test out.And nope, meme status until proven otherwise
>>52824836Doesn't Burn have a good matchup against Tron?
>>52824781Is the deck any good? I always loved the knight, such a cool creature
Got a rules question for anyone who might know: >Make Gideon a creature. >Copy Gideon with some clone effect. >Sac the original real Gideon due to the x2 planes walker rule. Is the copied Gideon a 4/4 indestructible or is a whole new Gideon planeswalker card, if so how many loyalty counters does he come into play with?
>>52824836Great card. Modern card? Probably not (not bad in the sideboard though).Legacy on the other hand, oh man this guy seems nuts.
>>52824144I honestly don't get the appeal of collonade in draw go, besides the fact he fills a land slot instead of a creature/spell slot.You're tapping 5 on your turn to swing 4? He still dies to most removal besides bolt and sorcery speed stuff like lilianaYou need at least 7 open mana to somewhat safely attack with him which leaves you with 2 mana on turn 7-8 for a single counterspell
>>52824879Oh yeah and if it is a 4/4 does it turn back into a Gideon planeswalker at the end and die because it has no loyalty?
>>52820251azor's elocutors wins in 3 turns with fog instead of 5
>>52824866Yea, usually.I just think it's an unfair deck. Not that any of it is ban worthy, I just think it says a lot about someone if that's the deck they play.
>>52824879Generally speaking, a whole new Gideon planeswalker card.
>>52824885Oh the full playset won't be MB, but maybe something like 4 gg, 4 swiftspear, 4 eidolon and 1 or 2 harsh mentor. Maybe he'll put in more work than lavamancer
>>52824915>Tron is an unfair deck>plays Burnummmmmm......
>>52824944So it's just a new Gideon with 4 loyalty on it?
>>52824892You don't activate it unless its safe or you have no other options. Unlike Tar Pit it can block fliers and most small aggro creatures and it doesn't die to bolt. W is also more important than B in the deck, and it's easier to come by multiple W lands so you can active the Colonnade. You can't activate Tar Pit if it's your only B source.
>>52824959>burn is unfair
>8 player Modern FNM>Playing Ponza>Round 1 v Abzan didn't see a single Blood Moon in 3 games despite multiple mulligans>Lost>Round 2 v Scapeshift didn't see a single Blood Moon in 2 games despite a mulligan>Lose>Dropped the last round and played 2 games of AscensionI really hate this game.
>>52824944Also what about if I use pic related. Would he be a 4/4 indestructible Gideon?
>>52824961It's a creature Gideon with indestructible.
>>52825123Really so if I do that and have the new Amonkhet Gideon counter I just can't lose unless they exile it?
>>52825096If you run 4 blood moons, you have ~53% chance of opening with it or drawing it in the first three turns.Variance happens.
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-best-card-in-modern-from-amonkhet-will-change-the-format/>still running a ballista as the wincon>2017V I Z I E RO FT H EM A N A G E R I EIn time they will see.
>>52825096Maybe play a better deck
>>52825132If they can't remove it from the board without destroying it, then yes you can't lose. This even prevents you from milling out. You just sit there not drawing for turn until your opponent mills out.
>>52825165Which means I not only beat the odds, I fucking DESTROYED them.
>>52825179This card doesn't help you win at all
>>52824879It is not a creature. It enters the battlefield with four loyalty counters.
>>52825179The problem with it is that it's 4 cmc.>>52825209I mean, in a midrange deck it definitely does. It's card advantage on a stick.
>>52825209It's a better card than Ballista famalam. >inb4 no seer meme
>>52825251Ballista is cmc0 so they both fail the CoCo test. Pick your poison.
>>52825296Hitting Ballista puts revolt online ;^)
>>52820497Let them keep their lands then and throw in shit like price of progress to make them think twice about using greedy mana bases.
>>52824879Man, I hope you're still around and not playing the game incorrectly. Read rules 613 Interaction of Continuous Effects and rule 706 Copying Objects. If you resolve a loyalty ability of a Gideon Planeswalker card turning him into a creature, then cast a Clone copying Gideon, the Clone becomes a copy of that Gideon Planeswalker card (or once you read the rules, as Gideon exists in Layer 1). It will not have any replacement effects applied, i.e. Gideon as a 4/4 creature.It really bugs me when people don't play by or understand the rules, but Magic can be a complicated game sometimes.
>>52825096>not playing 8moonYou did this to yourself by picking the inferior meme deck
>>52825096this reminds me of the games where i see thirty cards without finding a griselbrand or dig 14 and don't hit a shoal>mfw
>>52826421>tfw Blightning was my 2nd favorite card when it was in standard (first being Cruel Ultimatum of course)>can't find a home for it in modernIt hurts.
>>52826458A friend of mine runs 8Rack with a R splash for Blightning. He does anywhere from okay to pretty well at FNM, so I guess that's an option.
>>52826458resolving a turn 3 blightning is usually pretty lit but it's hard to justify not running 4 k commands before the first blightning and there's only so much space in the 3cmc slot. shame, because blightning has such superior art too
>>52826458Make mardu burn with this and kommand
>>52826535>burn with multiple 3 cmc spellsnah
>>52820358>foil KeranosMAD FUCKING JELLY
>>52815483so, whats the latest in Decks and deck brewing?i'll be needing to get a few of the amonkhet stuff because as fortold is really good but anything else besides that?
What's the most aspie/autistic token you've ever seen in Magic?This is the first one I've made and I'm still working out the little kinks.>Buy weird little mobile printer>It makes stickers!>Walking through local craft store>See little 2.5" by 3.5" metal cards>Realize they're perfect for my card sleeves>Look for trap/cat anime art>Decide this art will be perfect>Get everything ready>Show my friends>They stare in disbeliefI did a good thing today, /tg/.Does anyone have any art they think would make for some good tokens for a sperglord such as myself?
>>52828956I used this art for a friend who asked for an "elf warrior" token.He was thrilled.
>>52828987Is this sakimi-chan's?
UNBAN DARK DEPTHSFREE MARIT LAGE
>>52829097Fuck off shit poster y
>>52829083Good on you for recognizing it, Anon!
>>52829201how is that shit posting?There is literally zero (0) reason for dark depths to remain banned.
>>52829212You would cry like a bitch when you get fucked by turn 2 20/20 indestructible
>>52829212>literally have Path or loseYeah, no reason at all.
Players said I wasn't a good card in Modern until I pushed them onto a salt pile.
>>52824910Skyship Plunderer for faster wins.
>>52825179>clause threeI really wish Wizards wasn't playing with fire trying to enable actual five color decks.
>>52829285>purposely make a modern staple>give it shitty artI hate it.
>tfw u chord for 6 and slam ruric thar in response to past in flameslmao>tfw they read it>turn pale>start sweating>shuffle hand 7-8 times>slowly pick up cards and shuffle them into deckLMAO
>>52829390Wait 15 years for the masterpiece version it's even worse
>mfw someone at my FNM was playing Naya Eldrazi CoCo TronHow the fuck is any meme deck like Kithkin or Deadly Spiders Jund supposed to compete when there are real people playing this kinda shit?
>>52829855wew laddy and I thought the local esper thopter gift rites eldrazi tron player was the dankest meme master around
>>52829855Just bring a deck of 61 lands
Wasn't there a memer in these threads a while back who was playing Ad Naus mixed with another deck (Eldrazi or something like that?)It was basically one of the FotM decks and he added an Ad Naus/Grace package and it the chuckles it gave were quite sensible
>>52829878>Lost in the Woods>60 ForestsI've done it before. Good times were had.
>>52823381I love it. Thanks for your effort anon :)
2 Duskwatch or 1 Duskwatch?I want more one more spice slot, but 2 seems correct.>2017.5AD>not playing the best deck in the format weeks in advance through precognitive remote viewingthe FUCK are you even doing lads???
>>52830883Courser may be out of place, other than being a goodstuff. He's defensive, which is good, and value is never bad, but he's the least synchronistic card for jamming the combo, and the slot could be something more focused. Card advantage is cool though.
Damn, this foil is prettier than I expected.
>>52831016psssst hey kid, over here..wanna see my helix meme??https://pastebin.com/kk1UZwUFkeep it secret
>>52826421think i jinxed myselfI lost a game 3 today where i was 30 literal cards deep and didn't see any of my 4 goryo's vengeance or 4 through the breach>>52830011i remember thatit was indeed eldrazi stompy with ad nausdesu i'm a bigger fan of living end + scapeshift memery
Bant Eldrazi spice? Gets any land, meaning you can grab Eldrazi Temple or Ghost Quarter, is card advantage and helps mulligans
>>52828956I have Katt from breath of fire 2 1/1 vigilance tokens for BrimazAlso, they need to unban my girl. She is a fair card.
>>52832037shit like this is why we need anything before first Ravnica to go.
>>52832339A bad card that doesnt see Modern play is why we need to get rid of everything before Ravnica block?
>>52832339waiter this meme is stale
>>52832456His meme may be stale but Wayfarer is spice. A one or two of to go search up Temples is sweet.
>>52816427Where's "definetively not an Atog" and fling?
>pre-release sealed pool was complete shit>got a playmat anywayAlso is there a ban announcement Monday? Free SFM
>>52833169>got a playmat anywayDo you collect playmats or something, or was it included?
>>52833570They went around and gave out a few playmats for free. They asked all the people in a row of tables a question and gave a playmat to the best response. They asked my ideal job and I suck so hard at these questions and I said wizard. It's this playmat
>>52833169Mine was pretty shit too, anon. No clue how I ended up 3-1 with such a pile of shit. Nine packs and the most expensive card I opened was $2.50.Meanwhile there were FIFTEEN Gideons floating around my prerelease of about 35 people. Luckily, I always had a Fan Bearer for him.
>>52834248In all my games I never saw a mythic on either side. I'd walk over and check a friend's match out and they were playing with multiple gods on each side. Just got on the wrong side of variance I guess.
>>52834382I played against a Gideon every match.Fan Bearer is my fucking MVP for life.
So my Dredge sideboard is4 Leyline4 Nature's Claim2 Lightning Axe1 Ghost Quarter1 Gnaw to the Bone1 Vengeful Pharaoh2 Ancient GrudgeVs Death's Shadow should I bring in either the Leylines or 2 Axe (kills Shadow most of the time) 1 Gnaw 1 Pharaoh? I'm assuming their hate for g2 is either Surgical or 1-shot effects like Spellbomb, vs which Grudge/Claim does basically nothing. Ghost Quarter also has the chance of running them out of lands/black sources if the game goes long.
I had a nightmare where Glorybringer had a place in burn.
Am I a patrician?
>>52835380>Owns two of the best cards in the format, one copy of affinity synergy and a random thrunwhat exactly about this is supposed to be patrician?
>>52835380>MM15 Karnpoor form desu
>>52835407I guess the angle makes it hard to tell.The thrun deck is stompy. >>52835451There were 8 bucks cheaper. At $40 CDN they were a steal.
>>52835352Shh it's ok anon, it was just a dream.
>>52830883Sac mog fanatic in response to coco/cord targeting visera seer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxJoDewazyk>$934 for a meme deckwew lad
Sorry for asking a noob question, but I am a noob after all.If I have equipped a creature with an artifact and/or enchantment, what happens when the creature gets destroyed or exiled? Do the artefacts and enchantment stay on the battlefield and I can equip some other creature with them or so they get removed from play too? If the creature gets exiled, is the enchantment/artifact exiled too or put in graveyard? If so, if I return them from graveyard/exile, does the equipped artifact tag alomg?
>>52835487Why would you use Thrun to represent stompy? He's sideboard fodder at best.
>>52835546Equipment will stay on the battlefield, enchantments will go to the graveyard. Sometimes an effect will exile/destroy all things attached to the creature though, but the card will specify if it does so. Hope that helps.
>>52835560Because he is the only card in the deck worth more than 3 dollars. Also because I'm gay. I run thrun in the main because my LGS is full of shitters who jerk off to the very thought of playing blue
>>52831016>>52831213More shameless samefagging
>>52835533>the faggot recommend playing Faeries hue
>>52835588Thanks a lot.
Another noob question. I'm just playing with other noobs, and so far we've ruled that spells are creature spells if they affect a creature in the context of countering/negating such spells. Is that correct? Or is every creature considered a spell when laying it on the battlefield? Example; opponent lays down a creature onto the battlefield. Can i remove that creature from play by playing "Failed inspection"? (Counter target spell.) If so, what would be the appropriate sequence for doing so?
>>52835764If the creature hit the field no, you can't counter it.When it's on the stack how ever you can counter it.All creatures are also counted as spells when they're cast.
>>52835764When a card is on the stack (after you have cast it but before it has resolved) it is a spell, always. Artifacts, creatures, enchantments, planeswalkers, they're all spells on the stack, lands are the only exception, those do not use the stack to enter play. So a "creature spell" is a spell that is also a creature. Once the card enters play it is not a spell anymore, it is whatever permanent type is written on the card.Your play group should REALLY watch a video or read an article or something about the stack, because it sounds like you guys have no fucking clue how the game actually works.
>>52835813Thanks, that clears it up. >>52835857That's good to know. And yes, we've just begun playing. I'm sure you weren't the foremost expert on MtG when you first picked up a deck either. Hence the questions.
>>52835380>a fucking leaf
>>52835764>we've ruledStop.Why are you making up your own rulings. This isn't a homeruled tabletop RPG. This is a game that has actual lawyers around to help write rulings.Pull up your phone and download the MTG: Judge Core App and actually read and reference the correct rules while you play.
What other deck can give me the satisfying feeling of turn two chaining multiple BTEs into a surged Bushwhacker?
>>52835927I'm sure you're unaware of this fact, but this is a competitive general, so you're gonna get a healthy dose of snark when you ask questions like "what is a creature spell?"
>>52836002Affinity?>puke your whole hand by turn 2 and swing with a fuckhuge ornithopter
>>52836002>turn twoPleb.Mountain > Exile SSG > Burning tree emissary x4 > Reckless Bushwhacker
>>52836065The everyday life w/ the deck is more like>mull your seven since it's always shit>keep a six that has couple enablers, 2 mana and a payoff, scry shit to bottom>play turn 1 payoff which eats a bolt if it's overseer or gets discarded if you're on the draw>lose, win g2 with etched champion beats and lucksack plating draws>proceed to lose g3 to hate of your choice, mostly stony silence or 2-3 grudges
>>52836080>SSG in 8whackFor what reason outside of trying to meme the opponent with turn 1 or 2 bloodmoon
>>52836169isn't that reason enough?
>>52836191No because I don't play blood moon.
>>52836080>not manamorphosing into a topdeck Goblin Bushwhacker for an extra 2 damageDo you even whack?
>>52836140Hey I can do this too!>always mull your 7 because it's bad>keep the six because it has a nykthos and some burning tree emissarries>primetime discarded turn 1>ramp into garruk but not even the tokens and 15 mana a turn can save you>game 2 win by chaining witness and primal commands>game 3 scoop to turn 2 blood moonIs Green Devotion Tier 1 yet guys?
>>52836228>implying anything here gets you additional damagemanamorphose is a cycle and mana you already had, you're already spending it on the bushwhacker in the guy you're replying to's post
>>52836054Or, y'know, the people who feel the need to be snarky and arrogant when answering basic questions just have a deep-rooted need to feel superior which in itself is just kind of sad.>>52835978Because it made sense to us at the time and we're just playing casually without a great need to be 100% accurate on every single thing. We just play with the rules we know at the time and learn more between sessions. Also we come from a background of homeruled tabletops and since we're just playing casually for fun being 100% official rule conforming is meh during sessions.
>>52836424>Or, y'know, the people who feel the need to be snarky and arrogant when answering basic questions just have a deep-rooted need to feel superior which in itself is just kind of sad.Harboring thoughts like this is going to make your continued exposure to the Magic community short and nasty.
>>52836424OK, you got your answers bud. Now go away
>>52836460He's not wrong, answering reasonable questions with a handful of put downs does nobody any good except maybe the person who makes himself feel better by putting someone else down. But it's on him to accept that it happens and take it upon himself to sift through the bullshit for the good information. If being shit on anonymously on the internet is too much for him to handle he has some coping mechanisms to develop.
>>52826818I obviously got shit in the prerelease today though
>>52836424or you're just a fucking niggerfucking nigger
>>52835533Faeries isn't a meme deck, it's just a bad deck.
>>52837055This. I mean I don't think the deck can actually win before turn 8 or something. The clock is just so painfully slow and it doesn't do anything overly powerful
>>52836768>But it's on him to accept that it happens and take it upon himself to sift through the bullshit for the good information. If being shit on anonymously on the internet is too much for him to handle he has some coping mechanisms to develop.Just pointing out that snarky shit is unnecessary. Ive been on 4chan since 2006 so stuff like that doesn't make me google "how to tie a noose". I recieved good answers for my questions which I appreciate.
>>52818615so it's bant knightfall without the combo
>>52818174With the new cycling toys in Amonkhet, and whatever else comes in hour of devastation, it might be alright for Living End to lose Street Wraith too. I think it's an okay ban, but I wouldn't be excited about it
>>52818159Id ban traverse and ancient stirrings. Both are degenerate enablers
>>52828956when i played yugioh some guy showed up with naked anime girl sleeveslater on he had to resleeve his cards so yeah no don't do this
>>52819275Yeah, exactly, they're very different cards.Eidolon IS going to hurt you. Like all your other cards, you play it, and damage is done. Harsh mentor is nothing like it, but when it's gonna hit, it's gonna hit hard.
>>52837494>Eidolon IS going to hurt you.Not necessarily.
>>52837400>I think it's an okay banThis place is retarded
WHAT about THESE ultrapro ECLIPSE sleeves I'VE heard THEY'RE pretty GOOD, has ANYONE tried THEM?
>>52837433Just kill yourself you mongoloid
Anyone know the brand of these sleeves, they have the coloured back but the front is very prismatic like foiling when you move them around in diamond/triangle type patterns
>>52838047traverse is a strictly better GSZ in decks that enable it and Ancient stirrings is literally the best cantrip in the game for colorless deck. Both have similar cards that are banned as well so that's why they shouldn't be in the format.So maybe you should just kill yourself mongoloid.
>>52838829>in decks that enable itThere you go retard. That's why it's fine.
>>52838047Wel maybe not traverse but stirrings. Or maybe eldrazi temple or the tron lands. I dont know, i hate eldrazi being so prevalent.
>>52838938>There you go retard. That's why it's fine.Oh so you have some loose deckbuilding restriction like play colorless cards which literally isn't a restriction in Tron, Eldrazi or Lantern and play fetchlands and free cantrips in delirium deck. If they conditions were actually hard to meet I'd feel you but as it is right now this shit has no drawback at all and is a huge payoff.
Playable in a Deaths Shadow brew with a few Sengir Autocrat?
>>52838829>gsz works no matter what>traverse needs setupWow, now do you see you fucking idiot. Don't tell me it doesn't need setup either or decks wouldn't be running tarfire, street wraith and Bauble >>52839025>cards are good in certain decks I don't play waaaah
>>52839001the only eldrazi deck that uses stirrings is Bant and it's going down in metagame shares currently. You'd hit Gx tron with that too but Tron doesn't have a particularly high share either so I don't get your reasoning there.
>>52839025Then ban black cards because you only have to play black lands and you get to play cards. Like what the fuck, my soul sisters deck can't even play Inquisition. This game is so dumb
>>52839052>""""""setup""""">lmao free cantrips and fetchs coupled with t1 discard so hard >implying any lists still run tarfire unless it's a 2 of tops>implying you have an argument for stirrings>implying it requires setupwew lad kys my man
Is there a reason burn doesn't run x4 Atarka's command? Especially if the alternative is running some amount of Skullcracks?
>>52839136I don't need an argument for fair cards if you can't deal with tutors and fucking cantrips you are shit. Fuck off. You're just shitposting at this point
>>52839138Kitty lists usually do but atarka's gets a little worse when you can't go as wide and hurts you a bit more for not a lot of payoff. Most burn players have been switching to RW lately with a G splash in the board which is probably why it's not as prevalent.
Let us pray for Monday.
>>52839136Would you just leave already. Go back to the standard thread or wherever you crawled out from. Nobody cares about your terrible opinions.
>>52839163>''''''''fair cards"""">ponder is banned>stirrings is ponder on steroidsYeah sure is a fair card here senpai
>>52839186>ponder goes in any deck and can be splashed for blueTry running ancient stirring in storm, ad nauseum or delver. See how OP it is then. Fucking mental midgets on a rampage today
>>52839214>There's niggers who enjoy the same hobby I do. What is the world coming to? I thought Papa Trump and Electro would stop this.
>>52839221My point was that colorless decks get a super ponder for no fucking reason you mong. Just because you play memedrazi or colorless cads doesn't mean you should get a strictly better ponder for your deck while everyone else has to use serum visions.
>>52839298>for no fucking reasonWhat do you even mean by this? What reason is there for any of the cards? You're just saying shit. Red shouldn't get lightning Bolt because other decks don't get burn spells. Why does white get path to exile while black is stuck with fatal push? I don't even play these decks, you're just an idiot. Stop posting any time
>>52839298Not even that guy but Ad Nauseam decks get to run a 0 mana counterspell, why aren't you complaining about that? Stirrings only looks retarded because Wizards printed midrange goodstuff Eldrazi. Affinity players have never even considered the card.
>mfw anon is shredding the ban traverse retard
If they would ban anything I think it would be death's shadow itself. The only cards I think that should even be considered for a ban would be SSG,Mox Opal and maybe,MAYBE eldrazi temple. Aside from bans I feel wizards really needs to print more relevant white and blue cards. The main reason the format feels unbalanced is that two colors are for the most part absent. We also need more relevant discard hate cards and ways to interact with lands.
>>52839721smhtbhfam UW draw-go control is the hot new meme about to break out on the scene but nobody has hopped on the train yetbuy your sphinx revs and verdicts before they spike
>>52839748>t. Rev hoarder
>>52839748I keep hearing people say this, but I haven't seen a listOr is it the deck with 4 Spreading Seas?
>>52839748Deck was shit. Deck is still shit.
>>52839887http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15276&d=292823&f=MOthe lists are pretty varied, the main thing that changes between them is 1.) wall of omens 2.) number of snapcasters 3.) mainboard negatetailor to your expected meta I suppose.
>>52839721>ssg>mox opalNeither of those cards are a problem currently and likely never will be, but keep trying to force this meme senpai.
>>52840136You will eat those words one day. Trust me.
>>52815483whats a fun modern deck that isnt ungody expensive?
>>52840455define ungodly expensiveyou know what, never mind, just ballpark me a budget to work with
>>52818619where did the merchants touch you. you can tell us.
>>52839183I have a hot memetrain all ready to port down from legacy should it happen. let me play stoneforge and thalia in modern plz.
>>52839214you must be 18 or older to post on this site
>>52839721What Nephalia Academy wasn't OP enough for you?
I love how cancel is borderline too good for standard and blue counters in general, but spell queller is fine because it's a creature. It doesn't even care about uncounterable Lmao wotc
>>52829247>dies to fatal push:)
>>52820251Not really. Fact is, if you're not spending t3 interacting, it needs to be setting you up to win the game. This is a brick which will give you marginal value per turn based on permanent triggers which also require to stay on the board.It's a super cool card and I spent good hours in my day trying to build around it but it just isn't competitive. Sorry anon.
>>52840530400-500 dollarsi think i saw the one rai chick deck around that one but i havent tried a 4 color deck yet
>>52841162uhhhhh no, it doesn'tI mean, you can fatal push marit lage but it doesn't die from it
>>52840877Cancel is fucking trash in every format.
>>52841275I know. That's what I'm saying. But spell queller, which is infinitely better is allowed because it is a creature. When I say it's almost too strong, I mean that's how wotc see it
>>52841275It counters any spell. Is 3 cmc that much of a deal beaker?
>>52840877Just kill the queller, like holy shit
>>52840877you do realize you can kill/remove with *insert favorite creature removal card here*
>>52841262oh lmao rightindestructibleepic
>>52841299Wow. Everything is complaining to you hey? I'm just making a point. But your shit reading comprehension can't uncover that
>>52841257Well that's decent enough. there are many decks that clock in just around $600 or less so I'm going to list a few just over $500 as wellnaya burnhatebearseldrazi & taxesdredgemonogreen elvesboglesemeria titanU-tronUW gifts tronSkredesper gifts-ritesad nauseam living endall of these are within or very close to your budget, with some examples being more or less depending on specific card and sideboard choices.
>>52840877??? Cancel was literally just reprinted in standard. Standard already has a strictly better cancel. What the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>52841736>Esper Gift-RitesDo people still play that? Is it still tier 6.5?
>>52841813it's a strictly small local FNM deck, unfortunately. people have been having some success recently with 4c gift control decks but those are way outside the given budget.but it doesn't matter what level of play you're at, cheating out elesh norn or iona is always fun
>>52841774It's not hard. In wotc eyes anything is fine as long as it's on a creature. The best counterspell we get in years is attached to a creature. Pure spell counters are bad wrong fun. I didn't know a simple observation about modern mtg card design would cause mass confusion
>>52841297Yes, absolutely. It's why everyone who runs counterspells opts for the cheaper conditional counters. Until Counterspell itself gets a modern legal reprint, modern will not be running a non-conditional counter.>>52841285It isn't though, Spell Queller is actually garbage.