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Pathfinder General /pfg/

No Anime Allowed Edition

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW

Current Playtests: https://pastebin.com/quSzkadj

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>>52816660
Heck that noise. Also more gish art, please.
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>>52816660
oops.
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So, Starjammer is okay. I wonder how compatible it will be with Starfinder.
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>>52816696
I'm sure one of my friends will be happy he can now play an Elite (Female)
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>>52816660
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>>52816805
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>>52816818
>>52816805
>tfw these are literally the only two pictures i know of for Fiendbound Marauders
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>>52816823
Is that just big fists?
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>>52816829
no its specifically the separate, floating, large gauntlets.
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>>52816841
Oh, well then this is the closest one I've got that doesn't really seem to fit to me.
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>>52816850
thats more of a Hekatonkheires Symbiat
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>>52816869
Gesundheit.
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>>52816877
I didn't name it
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>>52816636
Yeah, Lucius ain't going to look like that until he gets a set of full plate.
Currently, he probably looks more like pic related, just with shorter, lighter hair and with a far less generic face.
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>>52816915
Is tall winged bishonen in full plate named Lucius Nacht your fetish?
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>>52816947
Isn't it for everyone?
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>>52816952
No.

>>52816915
That's pretty edgy
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>>52816958
>No.
Oh, well they're missing out then.
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Does Barbarian's rage normally count character levels or Barbarian levels?
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So, I'd like to pitch that in the PoW Errata, they remove or totally retool ordained defender.

As it stands you switch your initiating stat to wisdom, which since it grants will and improves the all important perception, is vastly superior to intelligence.

They gain a discipline for nothing. They also gain a more relevant knowledge skill in exchange for one rarely used.

And then they get a blessing or inquisition, lets nor forget the ever popular conversion inquisition, letting them totally dump CHA and use wisdom instead.

All this for the cost of two feats on a class that is basically feature complete without any feats.

There's a reason basically every single warder app you ever see in the /pfg/ games is ordained.

Ways to fix it might be to change the wisdom focus to charisma and force them to give up a discipline for the new one they gain.
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>>52816981
Barbarian levels.
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>>52816989
But then PoW won't be better than PF core!
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>>52816992
Thanks that makes a lot more sense. I'm going to have to audit this bullshit.
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pfg what sort of roll do you have to make to tie a noose well so it doesn't snap under say, your own body weight
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>>52817124
Use Rope.
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>>52817136
>doesn't exist in Pathfinder any more
>no escape
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>>52817124
Why would your tying ability make or break the rope's ability to hold weight without snapping? Do you mean rope making ability?
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Where are the PLD greentexts, I missed them!
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What country in Golarion produces the smuggest girls?
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>>52817888
Probably the one with the murder throne.
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>>52816989
>As it stands you switch your initiating stat to wisdom, which since it grants will and improves the all important perception, is vastly superior to intelligence.
You know what I don't like about wisdom? There are three gish prcs in pow1 and endless gestalt combinations, but only wis-based caster that doesn't suck is empyreal sorc. Others are healsluts and/or divinesluts or contemplative wilder. And it's a wilder.
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>>52817811
Sigmund and Lysander split from the party, leaving Gloriana and Bonbon to be downed in one hit by a Manticore which then downed and dragged Cashmere away 4 rounds later as she burned through all her spells trying to buy time for the men to reach

Cashmere logs coming sometime

It was a tough enemy for sure but there was some pretty bad RNG there stacking against her
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>>52817811
>Party exits troll rape cave in the dead of night after rescuing Bon-Bon and scaring a noble's kid off
>but the kid is now having asthma attacks because the miasma is poisonous to non-nightwalkers and the kid's mask isn't working
>also there's a horrible spike-throwing chimera in the woods
>Sigmund and Lysander carry the noble boy all the way to the mansion where the fire's cleaning off the miasma
>but the girls are about 700 feet back. Cashmere questions chasing the beast in the woods while they're all still battered from the troll fight
>Gloriana and Bon-Bon both say it's only proper to take down the beast
>suddenly, they get ambushed by the chimera
>gloriana gets spiked, but is still on her feet and gets buffed by the jester's jingle and Cashmere making her HUGE
>Sigmund and Lysander charges back, but they're miles off and can't move fast through dark, thick woods
>the beast is kiting them, but cashmere goes invisible and Gloriana manages to take a powerful set of swipes at it
>badly injured, the chimera perforates the paladin and she goes down. It then takes Bon-Bon, who hadn't healed much, down in another swipe
>Cashmere summons up a spooky skeleton because she's terrified even though invisible
>It tries to batter the chimera, gets smashed into bits.
>She summons a dog. It fails to even get noticed
>The beast aces perception rolls, pounces her, rips a chunk out of her leg
>She screams and runs, and the beast aces another roll and spikes her in the back and she's put out of the fight, though is still conscious

>Lysander and Sigmund are still running, but Sigmund has finally got into range and takes a shot that just nicks it as it grabs Cashmere in its mouth
>The dog also is barking like mad and biting at the thing
>lysander runs up yelling and the beast and watches it run off without it holding anything visible, feels rather chuffed about scaring it off and goes to help the fallen two before realising that Cashmere's gone missing.
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>>52817811

Cashmere's about to get CORED.
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>>52817953
What about Shaman?
Vitalist is also pretty fun for a melee gestalt if you get a conductive weapon and channel Steal Health through it every turn.

Spellburst Savant is a maybe-option but there are some serious action clashes there.
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>>52817960
>aces
Vult was rolling these publically. Literally got 19s and 20s
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>>52818139

They should find a way to tame that chimera and keep it as a pet, because a high-rolling long-range shooter with pounce seems VERY useful.
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>>52818223
I'm sure Cashmere could make it come over to her side!
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>>52818260

>The gang finds Cashmere petting the Manticore, who's all curled up with it's head resting in her lap
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I don't suppose any of you fine gentlemen could post the back-art of a harrow card? I need it for important plot reasons.
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>>52818349
I think this is it
/notagentlemen
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>>52818363
Oh, you know that would explain a lot. I was looking for something like pic related, but it seems what you posted is the back of the deck that they sell, which makes sense. How foolish of me. Thank you very much.
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>>52817160
Not him but fun fact:
Knots weaken rope, without exception. Certain knots, hitches (knots that tie a rope to something else), bends (knots that tie two ropes to each other), whippings (knots made to tie up frayed ropes) are 'beginner' knots, not just because they're easy to tie, but also because they make a rope much, much weaker.
As an example, the simplest knot, the Overhand, weakens a string or rope by over 70% of its original strength. Try tying an overhand loop (it's the one that comes most naturally when trying to make a knot) in a cotton string and tugging the string in half - it will always, without exception, break at the knot unless it was already damaged elsewhere.
The noose people usually use to hang themselves is fittingly known as the hanged man's noose, or Jack Ketch's knot, and is an extremely strong way of creating a loop.
Signature very strong knots include the Allbright Special (bend), for angling, Sailmaker's whipping that can only be used on multi-corded ropes, the Simple Simon under (bend), and Bachmann's hitch (for caving and climbing).
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>>52818432
How many points did you put into Use Rope, anon?
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>>52818526
All of them apparently
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>>52818526
They can roll a 10 and make people who watch them 'use rope' become fanatics.
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>you will never see the itty bitty kitty titties bully the itty bitty kitty
Why live
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Are there randos applying to Overlewd?

>>52818526
Background skills ;)
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>>52816660
>make anime OPs on page 6
>people are angry
>start making threads on page 7 to make them less angry
>people make non-anime OPs on page 6 or even 4 to escape the anime blight
We've chosen this fate.
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>>52818804
5eg had the right idea, should just collectively ignore the anime op and post a real one. It worked for them.
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>>52818817
Nah.
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>>52818817
Dueling threads are no better.
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>>52818817
Because 5eg makes threads at page 9, 10, or sometimes even 11 and 12.
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>>52818817
5eg is also full of boring normies that are somehow apalled by "weeaboos" on chinese cartoons imageboard. There is simply not enough people that care about your silly thread wars and anime OPs (especially when they ask relevant questions), deal with it.
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>>52818916

5eg is actually a fun, vibrant place.
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>>52818941
If only 5e was a vibrant, fun game.

When the fuck is Psionics and ToB equivalents going to finally drop for it so I can abandon this game forever.
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>>52818968
I still don't get why they decided feats had to be optional and also replace ability score boosts when leveling. Like, shit nigga, you have a whole list of pretty okay reworked feats and you just go tell people not to use them? Your shits already bland, don't actively remove spices.
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>>52818968
5e is pretty fucking bad and I don't think it's going to be fixed anytime soon. Much like Pathfinder
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>>52819017

Some people can't handle spice, anon. Wizards of the Coast is trying to make the most flavorless gruel possible so *anyone* can lap it up, like the people who think Dark Souls needs an "Easy" mode or walking simulators are the height of storytelling.
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>>52819032
But hey, at least with 5E I don't have to put up with Paizo's crap.
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>>52819046
>implying WotC is any better
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>>52819042
>people who think Dark Souls needs an "Easy" mode or walking simulators are the height of storytelling.
But there's nothing wrong with either of those. Walking simulators can be really engaging story wise, and sometimes people do just want to enjoy the story of a game without all the hassle of gameplay.
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>>52819042
>Dark Souls
>Needing an easy mode

But that's just "get a tower shield". Game is already easy.
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>>52819065
Dark Souls has no story. If you remove what makes the gameplay engaging you pretty much don't have anything.
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>>52819082
Okay, but the gist of the argument could still apply to other games.
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>>52819046

Wizards of the Coast is every bit as SJW as Paizo, as anyone who follows Magic: the Gathering can tell you. Difference is, WotC is actually somewhat competent at mechanics and storytelling.

Does this make them even more dangerous than Paizo? Probably.
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>>52819082
Dark Souls requires you to actually read the goddamn item descriptions if you want a story or an inkling of what the deepest lore is, fag.
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>>52819105
But I am a darn, dirty, SJW.
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>deepest lore
>implying trial and error gameplay and artificial difficulty is lore.
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how do i not have terrible self-worth that only seems to increase upon being validated /tg/?
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>>52819132
>Trial and error gameplay

That is literally every videogame in existence
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>>52819115
That's not a story. Those are vague nods and contextualization to actions. At the absolute best, dark souls has little vignettes of action but no story.
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>>52819105
>WotC is actually somewhat competent at mechanics and storytelling
........maybe where MtG is concerned, because their iterations of D&D are FUCKED.

Even 4e was discovered to have such shitty mechanics that it made the game nigh unplayable once the 4urries got their heads out of their asses about how perfect the game was. they had to say "you need to fix two entire monster books or use this fixed monster book, and errata is a feature, not a bug". But by then it was already on it's way to the grave.
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>>52819158
>errata is a feature, not a bug
Uhh.. isn't it like explicitly not a bug?
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>>52819098
I'd argue otherwise.

Ideally, the plot and mechanics of a story based game should intersect. The gameplay should reinforce the plot, themes, and world building set forth by the game's story as much as the games story justifies the game-play.
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Now with degeneracy.

Males [12]
$ Romulus Nohrm (27 years): 6' 10", 220 lbs || 208.3 cm, 99.8 kg # 12.7 in
$ Allanz Gremund (18 years): 5' 11", 152 lbs || 180 cm, 68.9 kg # 9.7 in
$ Sinh: No Details
$ Lucius Nacht (18 years): 6' 3", 200 lbs || 190.5 cm, 90.7 kg # 10 in
$ Dr. Linus Lux: No sheet
$ Fahd Lutfi (26 years): 4' 7", 97 lbs || 139.7 cm. 44 kg # 1.7 in HAHAHAHAHAHA
$ Raine (19 years): 5' 4", 133 lbs || 162.6 cm, 60.3 kg # 9.2 in ※
$ † "King" Angelo Sette: No Details
$ Alkurith Rekanthor (38 years): 4' 8", 54 lbs || 144.2 cm, 24.5 kg # 3.7 in ‡
$ Serax (24 years): 6' 2", 168 lbs || 188 cm, 76.2 kg # 8.9 in
$ Stefon Vargrave (23 years): 5' 11", 145 lbs || 180 cm, 65.8 kg # 2.7 in HAHAHAHAHAHA
$ Edward Loum (29 years): 6' 1", 156 lbs || 185.4 cm, 70.8 kg # 8.8 in

Females [20]*
$ Emilia Ivanov (20 years): 5' 6", 135 lbs || 167.6 cm, 61 kg
$ † Yamelia: No sheet
$ Salacia Mithlaeth (RIP): 5' 8", 160 lbs || 172.3 cm, 72.6 kg
$ Chiundra (315 years): 5' 6", 145 lbs || 167.6 cm, 65.8 kg
$ Ecaterina (29 days): 7' 3" / 5' 4", 0 lbs || 221.0 cm / 162.6 cm, 0 kg
$ Cijiska (22 years): 6' 8", 212 lbs || 203.2cm, 96.2 kg
$ Umbranae (19 years): 7' 6", 386 lbs || 229 cm, 175 kg
$ Ingrid Proteah (31 years): 5'9", 144 lbs || 175.3 cm, 65.3 kg
$ Kanna (∞): No sheet
$ Konja K. Snusel (17 years): ???
$ Olivia Favillina (23 years): 5' 5", 115 lbs || 165.1 cm, 52.2 kg
$ Helvetica (28 years): 5', 0 lbs || 152.4 cm, 0 kg
$ Kenna Gunnhildr (19 years): 5' 6", 130 lbs || 167.6 cm, 59.0 kg
$ Aeshma (23 years): 5' 11", 125 lbs || 177.8 cm , 56.7 kg
$ Calesedria: No sheet
$ Rhyisjir the Burned: No sheet
$ Crytha Tamegall (13 years): 8'4" 350lbs || 254 cm, 158 kg
$ 4916: No Details
$ † Velvet (∞?): 5'0", 120 lbs || 152.4 cm || 54.4 kg
$ Sayaka Ikusaba: No sheet

† Not included in any record list because not a real app.
‡ """Dragon""" Dick
※ It's the attack of the tiny fuccboi with a nine inch dick, run away~
* Female vices are retarded, didn't do them.
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Tallest:
Crytha (254 cm)
Umbrane (229 cm)
Ecaterina (221 cm)
Romulus (208 cm)
Cisjika (203 cm)

Heaviest:
Konja (~∞)
Umbrane (175 kg)
Crytha (158 kg)
Cijiska (96.2 kg)
Romulus (95.3 kg)

Lightest:
Helvetica (0)
Ecaterina (0)
Alkurith (24.5 kg)
Fahd (44 kg)
Olivia (52 kg)

Shortest:
Fahd (139.7 cm)
Alkurith (144.2 cm)
Helvetica (152.4 cm)
False!Ecaterina (162.6 cm)
Raine (162.6 cm)

Oldest:
Kanna (∞)
Chiundra (315 years)
Alkurith (38 years)

Youngest:
Ecaterina (29 days)
Crytha (13 years)
Konja (17 years)

Highest Mass / Height Ratio‡:
Umbranae (76.42 ᵏᵍ/ₘ) ※
Crytha (62.20 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)
Romulus (48.13 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)
Lucius (47.61 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)
Cisjika (47.34 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)

Lowest Mass / Height Ratio‡:
Ecaterina (0)
Helvetica (0)
Alkurith (16.99 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)
Fahd (31.50 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)
Olivia (31.62 ᵏᵍ/ₘ)

Average Male Height, Weight [8 samples, 8 samples]
5' 9¼", 148 lbs || 175.8 cm, 67 kg

Average Female Height, Weight [12 samples, 12 samples]†
6' 2", 158 lbs || 187.7 cm, 71.2 kg

Median Male Height, Weight
6', 154 lbs || 182.7 cm, 69.9 kg

Median Female Height, Weight
5' 8½", 139.5 lbs || 173.8 cm, 63.3 kg

Biggest Dick
Romulus (12.7 in)

Smollest Dick
Fahd (1.7 in)

† Does not include Konja, who is probably 8' tall and weighs a few metric tons
‡ also known as Linear Mass Density γₘ for Engineering/Physicsfags
※ UGH THICCER etc.

NOTES:
Rolumlus had a growth spurt.
Olivia is no longer the 5th smollest, instead the 5th smollest is now a qt LG paladin (male).
Ecaterina is the recordholder of most lists made, being on five different lists. She's first place on three lists.
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>>52819181
So it never happens is what you're saying.
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>>52819149

You really just need to broaden your perspective on how other people be and how they probably perceive themselves.

I used to be an awkward wreck that could hardly talk to someone else until I realized that everyone around me was just as awkward and boring as I was.
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>>52819187
>12.7 inches
>9.7 inces
>10 inches
W-what does it mean?
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>>52819187

DO BLINGMAKER!
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>>52819233
takes too much effort lmao
Also blingmaker is over.
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>>52819187
>>52819191
>9lbs, 11 inches
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>>52819205
Plenty of games have done it.
Nier, Drakengard, Undertale, The World Ends with You, Lisa the Painful, and Jounrey all from the top of my head.

Dark Souls, while lacking in story does set out to create a dark, lonely, and tense atmosphere. The hard game-play reflects this Same goes for Darkest Dungeon.


And to bring this back to /tg/ and Pathfinder, why do you think horror doesn't work in Pathfinder? It's all story right? That's because the mechanics of Pathfinder don't reinforce horror.
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I'm playing for the first time and im having to powergame out of my ass in order to even stay relevant, its disgusting. Is this the system's fault, my GM's? Is the magus just ass?
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>>52819264
As much as I loved Nier:Automata, I feel a lot of the game play didn't enhance the story. It was (mostly) fun, to be sure, but a lot of it wasn't necessary.
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>>52819286
>he chose the Magus
I'm so sorry anon.
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>>52819291
I was referring more to the first Nier, I haven't played Automata nor do I know much about it since I'm trying to avoid spoilers.
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>>52819264
I mean, Dark Souls has about as much story as the player is willing to see. If they don't want it to have a story, it's not going to. If they autistically comb every item description and every loose pile of bricks they can find then it'll have more story than the entirety of the 300 hours of some modern JRPGs.

>>52819286
>first time playing
>magus

oh my god anon I'm so sorry. What's your build, and what can you use?
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>>52819313
Well, I really really enjoyed it. I highly recommend it!
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>>52819291
You know what enhanced my enjoyment
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>>52819326
DELETE THIS
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>>52819286
Magus is very specialized and needs to be pretty optimized or you have to actually have a really good grasp on what to use how and where to cope with it.
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>>52819286
You know I've always wondered
Why the fuck did they choose to name a gish and a class VERY subpar at using magic at all the 'Magus', after the origin of the word "Magic" and "Magician", the Magi of Zoroastrian Persia? What were they thinking? Magus should be some sort of prestige that's like a Mystic Theurge but better or something.
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>>52819286
Define power gaming.
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>>52819357
Maxing strength
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>>52819318
>If they autistically comb every item description and every loose pile of bricks they can find then it'll have more story than the entirety of the 300 hours of some modern JRPGs.
Story and lore aren't quite the same thing.
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>>52819326

Toobie is pure sex
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>>52819357
Maxing dex, basically following a dude's guide the GM chucked at me, getting all the +1 items i can get my hands in, etc
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>>52819367
This
>>52819318
Dark Soul's doesn't really have a story even with those item descriptions. And what's there isn't substantial.

A long as time ago some super beings found a magic macguffin and entered a golden age whilst fucking up some dragons. Now that macguffin is running out of juice and everything is going to shit. You can jump start macguffin to preserve it or just let it die.
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>>52818223
>>52818260

Cashmere has a good way to do this as an occultist, actually!
It's called investing into necromancy
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>>52819387
Following a guide isn't necessarily power gaming. Ideally guides are there to give you a quick overview of what the class is good at and playing to it's strengths.
>getting all the +1 items i can get my hands in
Literally everyone in Pathfinder does this. It's an assumption of the system, you aren't going above and beyond what is expected of you.
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>>52816841
I just spent an hour looking through my images for that. All I found was magical girl gifs. Sorry.
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>>52819286
>>52819387
>their native attack bonus booster shares its bonuses with your fucking WBL, and their other attack bonus boosters needs an arcana and pool points while only lasting one turn
>they're a prepared caster that must cast within reach of enemies (or just outside of reach) to function
>their primary source of damage is spells, which means you've got to choose between utility and a chance to try being combat effective
>their "best build" is universally regarded as basically the only build that matters, because everything else is too situational to heavily focus in

Welcome to "Shocking Grasp and Scimitars: The Class", I hope you didn't want to have fun anytime soon.
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>>52819420
What... what is this from? Reverse searches are failing me.
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>>52819484
It looks like Yuuki Yuuna.
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>>52819484
Yuuki Yuuna is a Hero.

In hindsight I'm pretty sure I have the artbook somewhere on my hardrive and it shows off her massive fists much better but I have no idea where it is. Maybe I'll look for that.
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>mfw BBEG, CL 20, is a hugely paranoid coward hiding behind but not inside twenty seperate Antimagic Fields, a metric shitton of brainwashed but not mind-controlled bodyguards, and a bunch of traps, inside her personal demiplane, floating around on the Storm King's Castle
>she's covered in defensive magic items but she only gets like 20 spells total since the rest is eaten up by her "maintaining her defenses"
>also she has five Spheres of Annihilation and a necklace with three Talismans of the Sphere looped onto it and her Spheres move twice as fast as normal when controlled.
We're actually level 22 at this point and we still haven't managed to take her down, I think we've been forced to retreat from her flying holes of doom six times already.
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>>52819519
I hate high level pathfinder """"""""combat""""""""
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>>52819519
Can't you just bring some Rods of Cancellation or something
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Is there any actual point to making a male character? Any traits you give a male character, you could also have put on a female variation of it. The only difference is that the female form is objectively more aesthetically appealing (literally an art fact, I'm not just labeling a really-subjective thing as objective here). They don't have any of their real-world weaknesses so you just get a perfect lifeform with all gain and no drawback.
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>>52819540
>Is there any actual point to making a male character?

Someone's got to fuck all those female characters, might as well be me.
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>>52819540
Well I mean, I don't know about you, but if I want to make an awesome bearded old guy, a bearded old lady isn't as awesome.
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>>52819547
But anon.

I can also equally fuck all those female characters. As a female.
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>>52819519
What happens when two Sphere touch anyway? Boom?
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>>52819540
But I'm not a faggot.
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>>52819562
Yuri is a totally different beast from can't beat the cock memery
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>>52819562
>I can also equally fuck all those female characters. As a female.

Some women like men attached to those dicks, anon. In fact, I'd argue the majority of them want a man attached to that dick.
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>>52819367
>>52819392
I still stand by the statement that the story is what you make of it. It's not that there ISN'T any, it's just minimalistic and figures you'll fill in all the blanks yourself if you want a story.
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>>52819583
That just makes it even better when you convert them, obviously.
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>>52819583
I have the distinct feeling this is quoting a greentext, but I can't remember which. Though I get the distinct image of 'annihilate all men' when I do.
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>>52819583
Well do they want a BEAUTIFUL man attached to the dick? Of course they do. And the more beautiful the man, the closer to androgynous they go. This is not a coincidence whatsoever.
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>>52819570
I will forever be mad at the ending

>>52819539
Rods don't work inside an AMF.
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>>52819583
but

i cant make captivating male characters

people only like me when i make cute shit
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>>52819540
Because I can't think with my dick if my character has no dick. Thankfully #83 has me covered
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>>52819596
>I have the distinct feeling this is quoting a greentext

It was, I'm referencing that story of the insane lesbian wizard trying to kill all the men in the setting, only for the tough fighter chick to cut her down because she actually likes men.

>>52819601

Women want beautiful men just like men want beautiful women, but you know what? People tend to compromise when the personality's sweet enough or the rest of the person is attractive enough.
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>>52819515
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>>52819540
Nobody wants a perfect character. Sometimes you want a flaw and that flaw comes in the form of having broad shoulders, chest/facial hair that never stops growing, and unsexy hips.
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>>52819631
YuYuYu is weirdly long-lasting considering it's just another mahou shojo show
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>>52819620
>i cant make captivating male characters

Have you tried to make a captivating male character before, anon? They're quite easy when you get the hang of it!

>>52819645

Flaws are the absolute best, especially when they're mental as well as physical.
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>>52819630
>the ... fighter to cut [a wizard] down
lol
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>>52819669
Why do you know what makes men captivating? Are you gay?
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>>52819631
I wonder if there's a lone version of that bit in the top left here.

>>52819651
I don't know about "just another", it's pretty distinctly modern mahou shoujo but there's not much of any type of mahou shoujo nowadays.
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>>52819519
>hiding behind but not inside twenty seperate Antimagic Fields
What's the point? Can you cast through antimagic field? If you can, it's not gonna save her. If you can't, time to enact oots and bring a friendly dragon or dozen.
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>>52819630
Ah, right, didn't it involve some insane curse/disease bullcrap that would turn half the female population into hermaphrodites?

But yeah, memes aside I don't much care who wants to fuck what. So long as you bring a fun character to my group that's all that matters.
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>>52819684
I wish Nanoha came back
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>>52819670
>high level barbarian went ballistic in the surprise round
>fighter comes up behind him and does a CDG
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>>52818632
Sort of, yes. I know I noticed the campaign just by looking through the roll20 LFG. Thought it sounded neat, started working on an application. Noticed he mentioned /pfg/, so I thought I'd look here to see if anything was being said about it despite not usually frequenting /pfg/. Found a new thread, fell asleep cause I was tired, woke up to find people bitching about applications, worrying about only women getting in, claims that your application has to be a meme to get in, etc.

Still working on that application, but now that I know /pfg/ is watching and judging all the applications, I kinda feel nervous. It's weird coming up with a character when a good cut of a general will probably judge you based on what you apply with.
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>>52819679

I read a lot of trashy romance novels and I'm able to take a step back and understand why someone might admire or sexually desire something masculine. You don't have to be a sword-swallower to know why some people swallow swords.
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>>52819715
I'd rather not have another Force or cute loli punching each other in the face titled 'Nanoha'.
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>>52818632
>Are there randos applying to Overlewd?
If it's listed as a pathfinder game, the randos will find it. We really need to list our LFG pages as "other" to keep the trash out.
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>>52819725
Stack a massive CMB, and bullrush a medium golem into her only AMF-free square. Then gate in an armada of artillery and let them do their job.
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>>52817888
Brevoy, Korvosa, Taldor, Mivon, Osririon, Nirmathas, Molthune, and Nex
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>>52819715
Lucky for you if the recent ViVid Strike isn't your thing the movie that we have been waiting several years for recently got a trailer about three weeks ago and a release date. July 22nd, this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrDlvMyAWQ4
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>>52819669

I've noticed DHB and Captain Slow consistently make male characters that everyone can't fucking shut up about, what is it about those characters or the writing style that captivates people? Are they just vicious memesters goading us on, or is there actually nuggets here we could take out of this?
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>>52819774
But it's so fun to read the trash apps! It's how we got DOUG! after all.

And it brings with it the potential salt bog of a /pfg/ game selecting all Roll20 randos.
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>>52819519
Can she defeat Madara Uchiha?
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>>52819132
>implying trial and error gameplay
Have you tried not playing DS2? DS1 and 3 are good at giving you context clues about the environment and dangers, that is unless you're a retard
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So, I am GMing RotRL for a group of 3 friends.
They are playing a dwarf bloodrager (elemental), a kitsune sorcerer, and an ifrit gunslinger. I feel like they might struggle, even with advanced xp and some extra magic items, with no healing other than wands and potions.
Any advice? Or should I just be prepared for the tears to flow?
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>>52819853
The kitsune sorcerer has the fey bloodline, if it matters.
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>>52819853
>>52819872
Just give them a wand of infernal healing. It's the best dedicated healer in the game.
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>>52819694
>>52819775
>cast through amf
She can just duck into it. Literally only her square is not AMF'd, she walks out of it to move Spheres around and into it to protect herself from magic.

>friendly dragon or dozen
Yeah about that, it's negative aligned, the entire Conjuration School is Impeded, aligned to Evil, Heavy Gravity. It's so big as a plane that she can afford to just drift her castle away until our dragons die because it's negative energy. Even if we bring Death Ward, there's a limit to how many dragons we can bring solely due to Death Wards prepared, even in scroll form, and the possibility of failing the spell. Also, there's a shitton of guards as I said. there's nothing really stopping us from running straight through the AMFs except the spheres but you don't get a save against the things and can't even use Wish to bring yourself back.
DM insists there's a way to beat her but I dunno anymore
The worst thing is, she's one of the minor recurring villains of our LAST campaign turned immortal, after the LG paladinfag 'redeemed' her. She was level 8 at the time and the worst she could do was move around a bunch of skeletons. Now she can move around orbs of fuck you.

>>52819745
Nah it's all good.

>>52819774
No, if they apply with a legit app like that WWW app then they should get chosen.

>>52819803
She has one of this spell every day as one of her 18 spells, except without the save, so yes.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/momentoMori.htm
It's called "Questbreaker".
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>>52819758
Amusingly Strike didn't actually have 'Nanoha' in the title. I found it painfully amusing how many self proclaimed weebs watched an entire episode of it and didn't immediately recognize it as Nanoha, thinking it was original.

Unless you mean ViVid, but that has actual magic battles in it and Nanoha is there.
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>>52819562

Lame.

I only play straight girls.
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>>52819924
adult nanoha != nanoha
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>>52819775
Don't Golems shut down as soon as they touch a field though
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>>52819907
Oh, you have a paladin?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/smite-evil-magic/
Smite the shit outta that demiplane, bringing down all her defenses with it.
>>52819965
The idea is to have the golem occupy the AMF-free space so she can't move into it.
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>>52819965
Nope Golems still work in fields
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>>52819953
Eh, as long as she makes friends by blasting shit she's nanoha enough for me. I won't defend most of the rest of ViVid, though.
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>>52819775
No can do, her Spheres track one party member each and the last one is 15 feet in front of her. The golem would just explode on the way there because it has to pass through the square, her throne room is oddly practical considering her fighting style - it's only 7 squares wide and over 60 long.

>>52819965
No, because she has Iron Golems walking around in it.

>>52819991
Well no we don't have a paladin anymore, that was 400 years ago, but can you actually do that to a fuggin demiplane?
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>>52820029
Magical girls make modern militaries look like chumps
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>>52819780

It's literally just about writing a character for a meme game and giving the character a shtick, like scruffy woodsman or Colonel Sanders.
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>>52820044
>her throne room is oddly practical considering her fighting style - it's only 7 squares wide and over 60 long
You need conjuration spell to create 35ft wide and however tall that room is cylinder or stone or steel.
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>>52820044
Yes
Then find and/or buff a strong enough paladin to make a Sunder check with the result of 25+ the demiplane's caster level.
The demiplane gets destroyed, and all her magical defenses alongside it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-x9g6fLyv0
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How much do your games accomplish in 3 hours? PLD only got through one [8 round long] combat and some talking on the side.

Is that normal?
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>>52819191
>Olivia is no longer the 5th smollest
RIP
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>>52820107
What? Well I mean first of all it's her demiplane, second of all she probably fixed it up BEFORE putting a stopper on Conjuration, and third of all the castle itself is a fuggin Major Artifact.
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>>52820126
Guess we'll try that then
We'd need two paladins though, because she has the ability to kill one person a day without a save at any time, her turn or not.
Also, if the Demiplane is destroyed, what happens to the Spheres? Wouldn't they just get dumped on us or something as everyone materializes outside of the Plane?
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>put your phylactery in a crate
>Interplanetary Teleport the crate onto Sedna or something
>surround it with enough Spheres so that there's room for exactly one medium humanoid to stand next to the crate
>live as a lich who's basically invulnerable
Yes or no?
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>>52817960
If Vult was running a normal game, over half the party would have to roll new characters.

PLD is very fatal! Extremely fatal! It's just the PCs can't die.
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>>52820238
Some of them probably wish they were dead
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>>52817960
Was Bon-Bon traumatized
Where are the logs
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>>52820242
One right now, and one soon.

>>52820250
In the Discord
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>>52820137

That's not normal at all, in three hours my groups typically get done with with two combats or entire social scenes with a king or nobleman.
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>>52819907
Speaking of WWW, we had our first sesh last night!

>Everyone wakes up in Doc Hoss' hospital.
>Hoss explains that the town's in trouble considering that some jackass named Abraham's stirring shit up. The sheriff is considered ineffectual.
>While grabbing their things, Kachina realizes her badge got yanked, Jenny lost a ring, Rich lost his trinket, Mary learned some new languages and her dolly lost her ring. The whole doll thing has Jenny bothered considering how energetic Mary is.
>Hoss advises that they go to Marcie's Saloon for info.
>As they leave, they smell fire - A church is burning!
>At the front of the burning church is the asshole in question - Abraham. He announces that his boss Mister Grey whom Magwau wants dead for personal reasons want to buy this land and is paying them to leave. Or else everything burns.
>As expected, the Sheriff is being completely useless. Even a woman does more to stand up to Abraham's bullshit than him. She also gets slapped for her troubles. Jenny almost goes ballistic.
>Sheriff's also a complete chickenshit coward too. The gang decides to help the woman up and learn that she's Marcie.
>As they head to the saloon, they begin making a plan to send a message to Grey. It involves humiliating the sheriff and imprisoning/killing the deputies, who under Abraham's payroll.
>Rich then realizes that they never introduced themselves. Whoops.

>Also, mini side-session involving Mary asking Kachina to help put feathers in her hair and the doll's.
>Further explanations about how the injury suddenly let Mary speak tons of languages and connecting over father figures being Marshals. Be this fate?
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>>52820264
>In the Discord
ree post them
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>>52820279
They're
In
The
Discord
Come
And
Get
Them
You
You
DOUBLE
NORMIE!
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>>52820137
Were they too busy jerking each other off in OOC? How the fuck does 8 rounds of combat take 3 hours? What were those retards doing?
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I'm looking for a couple ideas to spice up a heist-type encounter for my party in a few weeks.

I've given them the mission to bust an alchemist from a rival country out of house arrest and covertly spirit her across the border without the soldiers keeping her confined suspecting what's going on. The party's got all right social skills and is pretty good at stealth but they've only got a little smattering of magic aside from one generalist incanter. The others are a ranger, a unchained rogue, and a mageknight.

What are some non-combat based difficulties I can add to make the breakout more exciting if there isn't a combat/chase scene, and any tips for making sure security can't be fucked over by any dickhead quietly approaching a lone guard and casting Charm Person or the like successfully?
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>>52820292
>uses discord
>calls others normies
Just fuggin post them
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>>52820295
According to Vult-sama....

He was trying to run TWO separate sessions at the same time. One combat session for the girls and one RP session for the boys.

In short, he's a fucking idiot GM and should be hung.
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>>52820268
Why is the Sheriff never useful in Westerns
They're like strawmen, existing only to show how bad they are.
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>>52820265
How many rounds of combat?
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>>52820317
Except he explicitely stated that even though he tried to do that, the boys just ran back to the fight so the dual action didnt occur. Just slow combat with full narration.
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>>52820325

Typically 5-6 rounds each, with conversations and NPC interactions in-between.
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>>52820137
Depends on number of people, what level you are fighting at, how many characters/monsters are casters vs how many are martials, knowledge of the game, and what medium you are using to play.

My group of six that uses voice chat over roll20 had an especially long combat recently. Only lvl 3, 6 players against 5 entrenched trogs, half of which were casters. Summons were used, beatsticks paralyzed by Hold Person, chokepoints greased to buy time, a dozen turns were spent vomiting from two instances of stinking cloud, and the end result was diplomacy leaving only one trog unconscious (and dead) and no party members severely wounded after 10+ rounds. About an hour, probably. All of the players being new to pathfinder and dnd in general, except me I guess.
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>>52820359

Considering the tone of the game and the party realizing they left their women under assault by a bullshit strong enemy, I wouldn't hold that against them.

Why the fuck would they stick around doing their own thing when the women are in trouble, anyway?
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Does a sphere of annihilation make a sound when annihilating?
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>>52820324

It's thematic, to show the law is clumsy and incapable and order must be brought by the protagonist.
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>>52820387
Yes, something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqL7jyrXhLs
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>>52820384
>>52820359
Cause that's meta-gaming. Siggy and Lys had no idea the grils were in any danger, but they ran to go help as soon as combat started
? Meaning they're both shit players who need to be hung.
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>>52820387
it would but it annihilates the sound too
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>Vult runs a slow session
>Tries to find what went wrong, how to speed up
>None of his players even complained
>Gets immediately shat on for it
You people are fucking cunts.
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>>52820501
I agree.
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Homebrew idea

>mystic archetype that trades out recovery method, blade meditation, and instant enlightenment for a more standard recovery, and swaps from wis-based to int-based (maybe cha instead)

Bonus idea:
>Maybe it swaps out the craft stuff for actually getting features that let it use mithral current well, like sheathing as a free action, threatening while sheathed, and being able to draw on AoOs.
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Can someone give me a shitposty summary of all the Overlewd Apps?
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>>52820415

Except the Manticore was already established as a vicious threat in the immediate area? It doesn't take 14 Wisdom to know splitting up is just begging for attack.

That said, I agree with you if they just dropped the kid off and ran away without anyone noticing. If the NPCs were organizing a hunt or something than them running back makes a bit more sense.
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>>52820542
Seconding this
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Listen up lads!
The NSEAP (National Sozialistische Elfen Arbeiter Partei)is looking for some support. We need your best ideas for our new flag design, it should be one that strikes fear into the hearts of the lowborn mortals. We welcome all true and honoary elves.
pic related is our first design.
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>>52820512
What counts as a standard recovery?

>sheathing as a free action
It gets the bonus feats to be able to do this, but maybe throwing in the ability to qualify for Mixed Combat at level 6 might be okay.

>threatening while sheathed, and being able to draw on AoOs
You don't actually need this because when you can draw and sheath as a free action you simply draw your weapon at the end of your turn, and immediately sheath it before using your mithral current strike.
Weird thematics but mechanically viable.
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So is there some kind of online tool for DMs to help keep track of dungeons and encounters and experience and shit? I've seen shitty encounter generators but nothing that helps handle traps, treasure, dungeon layouts, etc. Nothing in the pastebin either.

I don't care if it costs money. I just need some kind of preparation assistant specifically tooled for Pathfinder.
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>>52820542
>>52820554
There's too fucking many.
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>>52820563
I mean like a non-random recovery that would take actions to use. Idea would be to make mystic a little less clunky and more friendly to online games. Maybe like a "full round action to recover and gain x amount of animus"?

The bonus feats are workable, but it shouldn't need to spend the open bonus feats to use something that it gets by default.
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>>52820592
I'll take a shitpost summary of the dudes, then
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>>52820542
A bunch of overpowered mary sues with added edge, despite being first fucking level.

I mean seriously, a WRAITH as a first level character? A DRAGON?
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>>52817124
It's an Escape Artist check according to the actual skill, Escape Artist. You could also use Climb.
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>>52820624
Bitches and villains gotta start somewhere.
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>>52820548
People noticed, even joined them, but through no action of the players intention.

Also, doesnt being a sniper as a slayer let you shoot from farther away?
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>>52820609
Shouldn't be hard since there's a grand total of 7 or something
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>>52820605
>Maybe like a "full round action to recover and gain x amount of animus"?

Fuck, please no.
Not only are 'spend your turn doing nothing' recovery methods cancer, the mystic is good because its recovery is actionless.
If you wanted to make it non-random I'd just port over a variant of the Bushi's recovery, maybe relying on a different trigger than sheathing. (No, don't make it cost animus)
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>>52819176
200 pages of errata is a fucking bug.
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>>52820609
Romulus: Has a brother called Remus, left the guard because everyone is corrupt, wants to and I quote "make the Dondoran Empire great again"
Allanz: He somehow made a giant demon hand, also "his every need tended to by his older sister, who strove to cultivate him into what she would refer to as "her ideal man."".
Sinh: Red dragon who is mad that he's not king of the world.
Lucius: He looks like Lucifer, first of all.
Fahd: It's a literal cat. A familiar without a master.
Raine: LG Paladinfag in an Evil game nuff said. Also he's small and short but has a pornstar dick.
Alkurith: It's a blu dragon, not sure if there's much to shitpost about.
Serax: "Personality:
Serax is calm under most circumstances being a semi personable and able to function in society almost seamlessly other than his apparent race. Though in extremely stressful circumstances he will seemingly break becoming very ferocious and hostile, stalking unknown people attacking when they are vulnerable. He has also known to write songs with somewhat dark lyrics and a haunting melody."
Stefon: Orphan who sings and bards around for undead.
Edward: It's like Wojak on Tinder but even sadder.

>>52820624
Both of them [are] first level though, and they barely has any abilities. Also it's Evil Gestalt with DSP wtf u expect dumass m8
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>>52820264
If I looked on the discord and did not find it, where else should I look? Is there a double-secret discord?
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>>52819515
I do love that character.

"Fuck your giant ass robot, fuck your space age tech, and FUCK YOU!"
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>>52819907
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I’m not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I’m not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano’o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
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>>52820744
If you need to touch a person to kill them you're doing something wrong
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>>52820624
To be fair, both true dragons are wyrmlings

>>52820716
>He looks like Lucifer, first of all.
>first of all
Lucius is a traditional man, who shall only take one wife! Ah, who are we kidding.
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>>52820681

The baron was already organizing a hunt when Sigmund and Lysander showed up. They stuck around long enough to make sure Rom was breathing and tell the Baron who they were. When they noticed the girls weren't anywhere to be seen, they went with the Baron to hunt the beast.

Also, Sigmund *was* firing at range, he was pestering the DM constantly about distance and tried to get around a -2/-1 penalty since he thing had some substantial AC.
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>>52820724
>>52820724
Well yes, there is. But did you look in storytime?
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>>52819907
>OP third party stuff on top of wizards native brokenness
Well I don't know what you're gm I'd expecting out of that honestly.
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>>52820711
What about a swift action recovery like warlord? Would it need to be a free action?
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>>52820237
Sure. now make everyb single control roll for every single sphere.

Hint, if you fail one when you have it at 5 feet away from you, then you're not going to be a lich - or anything at all - pretty quickly.
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>"Why didn't Lysander/Sigmund do the obvious thing to save Cashmere" comments are just "Why didn't Quinn do the obvious thing to save herself/Ameiko" all over again

Take note, GMs: nothing motivates pfg to scrutinize your greentexts like the thought of 'If I playing I totally would have saved her!'
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>>52820711
>, the mystic is good because its recovery is actionless.
No free action recovery is actually what makes a lot of Path of War classes busted as hell. See Zealot and to a lesser extent Warlord. Being able to constantly hammer the enemy without stopping is an issue, "stop and take a breather" recovery provides some form of non-negligible opportunity cost.

Free action/Swift action recovery is fucking cancer.
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>>52820716
"It's like Wojak on Tinder but even sadder."
Perfect.
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>>52820777
Well I found the doublesecret discord and a pastebin in storytime. I was more looking for logs of what happened after that, though, out of curiosity. I guess those don't exist.
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>>52820841
Just greentexts in here
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>>52820758
Most Wyrmlings are CR 3 to start. And it's still a fucking incorpoeal wraith.

At least Kanna's marysuism is explained in an interesting manner.
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>>52820854
Damn. Well, thanks.
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>>52820716
>>52820609
Fuck it I'll do the girls too

Emilia: She's a half succubus, and by that I mean "creepy voice in her head who's so obviously evil it's not even funny".
Yamelia: 2B, Dragon Cocksleeve edition.
Chiundra: AWAKEN MY MASTERS - Shub Niggaruth edition.
Ecaterina: My Paladin Boyfriend Abandoned Me to Die But I Didn't Die and Rose as a Wraith Trying to Kill Him!?!? Also, rabbit named King Lear.
Cijiska: Sexy Arab lady who has le many masks, prostitute, assassin, gang leader, slavegirl. Can give four handies at once.
Umbranae: THICK Dragon Woman. Also bullied girl.
Ingrid: She's so smart that she can talk to slimes. She's so intelligent that she's surrounded by idiots. She is...the most interesting woman in the world.
Crytha: PSEUDOPENIS
Kanna: God, who apparently decided Omnipotence and Omniscience was above all else fucking boring and is going NG+.
Konja: LET ME SNOOZE RUSE OOZE
Olivia: The sins of the father are the sins of the son.png
Helvetica: I Was A Witch Who Got Her Tower Burned Down And Had To Sell My Knowledge To An Outsider To Come Back As A Ghost But All My Notes Are Gone!?!?!?
Kenna: VERY cute CG girl with Mangekyo Sharingan and voices in her head.
Aeshma: A textbook succubus.
Calesedria: A feral treant.
Rhyisjir: Hanako, but less shrinking violet.
4916: UGH THICCER
Sayaka: I Iz Honor
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>>52820818
Spheres don't move though if nobody's controlling it, and you can just use a Talisman.
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>>52820836
Except the main thing unwieldy recovery does is make people rely on maneuvers less and full attacks more, which completely defeats the point of what the system tries to achieve.

Someone using the same pair of strikes over and over is probably less busted for damage than someone full attacking every round.
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>>52820835

It's actually the reverse now, people are complaining about Lysander/Sigmund actually knowing they were in danger.
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>>52820836
I bet you like gaining martial focus as a total defense action in sop too.
>>52820711
>>52820605
I'm still mad there's no bushi template for mystic, like:
-give up blade meditation and arcane defense
-can take bushidos instead of bonus feats

or
-give up blade meditation, mystic artifice and arcane defense
- get bushidos on levels which granted arcane defense
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>>52819105
WotC is also more competent at being SJWs, because they go "Hey, here are options for being trans you could maybe work into your setting!"
While Paizo's like "HERE IS AN EXPLICITLY TRANSPHOBIC CULT SO YOU MUST STRUGGLE AS I HAVE".
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>>52820882
Not really, chances are if you need to refresh you've deleted all foes in the immediate vicinity/full attack range.

And it's not like full round recovery does nothing for any class that isn't Stalker.
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>>52820869
>Ingrid
Ingrid's been revised to be less pompous, and more just generally detached and aloof
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>>52820914
Stalker should have just had Bushi recovery by default instead of the full-round recovery, desu
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>>52820897
>I bet you like gaining martial focus as a total defense action in sop too.
I don't because SoM is hot garbage and a lot of the effects that you need martial focus for aren't worth a whole turn for.

If your refreshing maneuvers, you're getting several turns worth of stuff back vs 1 attack roll worth of stuff back. That's why it works for initiators.
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>>52820902
>HERE IS AN EXPLICITLY TRANSPHOBIC CULT SO YOU MUST STRUGGLE AS I HAVE".
Please point to this.
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Who is the best in /pfg/ at building skill monkeys?
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>>52820716
>a literal cat
>somehow the least shitposty thing on there next to "It's a a blu dragon"

It still baffles me how ordinary this concept seems to me now. Has /pfg/'s wacky characters gone too far?
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>>52820891
Which doesn't hold much water, last session Lysander got knocked into the negatives and Gloriana had half her health knocked off. Going back for the girls makes perfect sense when there's a big beastie out on the prowl in the depths of night.
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Someone please tell me if this is bullshit:
>level 13
>hunting a dragon
>we had just finished killing a bunch of kobolds the dragon had control over
>suddenly a scry sensor pops up
>dragon next round teleports on top of us w/ greater invisibility
>I'm the only one who can see it because blindsense
>casts wall of force at the entrance to the cave
>we're suddenly fighting an invisible dragon in close quarters

Only me and one other guy got away. I was fucking pissed because the dragon took the other's bodies as well. The entire encounter felt like a bunch of fucking bullshit.
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Is there a game that does something like the vigilante that has mechanics to support it?
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>>52821045
Olivia doesn't seem shitposty on the girls side.
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>>52821097
>I'm the only one who can see it because blindsense
At level 13 someone ought to have a way to counter invisibility.

A simple area dispel would probably have worked.
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>>52821097
Level 13 dragons don't cast teleport and greater invisibility. They have sorcerer CL of like 7. http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/dragon.html
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>>52821125
Fighting crime and hiding your identity? Magical Burst for the magical girl part of vigilante. Probably some World of Darkness stuff (if you twist the definition of crime) for everything else. I don't know about normal fantasy vigilantism, though.
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>>52821097
No, that's literally how a dragon should fight you.

Why are you shocked by dragons being able to use the scry-and-die tactic the entirety of /tg/ claims wizards can do all the time? A dragon is actually capable of doing it WELL.
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>>52821161
So either the dragon was higher level or it had invested in magic items?
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>>52821161
Maybe it was a dragon with class levels? Which would be pretty bullshit, I guess.
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>>52821156
Our wizard was going to cast See Invisibility but died before his turn came up because the dragon first breath weapon'd everyone (the wizard failed the save) then full attacked the wizard.

>>52821161
The dragon was CR 17 I think? It was an old red dragon.

>>52821178
How the fuck are we supposed to defend ourselves against it?
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>>52821161
>the dragon has to be the same level as the characters
That dragon can be all the way to CR 16 and be a fair figfht - if they had been prepared. If they were hunting a dragon, they should have been prepared.
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>>52821174
I meant more like playing two 'games' at once. The run around and do action hero things and then the more subtly social/political sides.
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>>52820415
It roared loudly from the direction they knew the girls to be. 700 yards or so.
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>>52821226

Exalted is what you want.
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>>52821146
That's because she's a boring app with no personality and poorly explained mechanics.
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>>52821226
Find a GM willing to run a Grail War. Just be warned that it never ends well.
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>>52820891
They heard the beast's howl.
Perfectly sensible.

What they DIDN'T expect was for Gloriana and Bonbon to charge right at it.
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Could I get some crunch advice?
What are some ideas for a soul stealer?

I've been thinking a lot about immature motivations in powerful baddies, and the inherent strengths and weaknesses of lonely people.

I want to build a particularly young (teenage boy, probably human) character who, at the height of his pubescent horniness (and probably after getting rejected by someone he liked), had a Greater Daemon visit him and parade in front of him a harem of beautiful succubi and erinyes. The Greater Daemon promises(!) they can all be his if he purchases them, but the only currency the lower planes accepts is souls. If he wants them to serve him for eternity he must gather souls of sentient beings and trade them in the Soul Trade, particularly those of the innocent or the good as those are considered a delicacy in the lower planes. The Daemon then offers him some kind of power to get him started.

Thus setting the stage for an evil PC character who's tendencies are motivated more by naive lust than by any particular desire for wanton murderhobo destruction. Though I -would- like this character to still indulge in some murderhobo destruction when the campaign/setting/plot allows it, he's doing it for a specific reason rather than some kind of Kantian 'Evil for Evil's sake' sort of thing. He also has a motivation to adventure for loot and levels because powerful souls are worth more and are generally more challenging to acquire.

He's a teenage edgelord who's entitled, selfish, cocky, and possessive, but fun at parties (because people let their emotional guard down in revelry), fantastic on mandolin (because reasons), a great listener (because he's genuinely interested in what you want and how to manipulate you), generally carries good booze and drugs (see parties).

I want to experiment with the idea of a character that doesn't 'get' close relationships. He feels at home in a 'party' atmosphere because people act more predictably and are more shallow, yet more vulnerable.
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>>52821210
>The dragon was CR 17 I think? It was an old red dragon.
Ok, http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/dragons/dragon/chromatic-red/red-dragon-old/ can cast all of that, but not silent. So you had a round with scrying sensor, and a round of gargantuan dragon roaring verbal components for wall of force. That's not exactly 'suddenly'.
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Can a good cannon shot/volley kill a dragon?
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>>52821345
In pathfinder. No.
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>>52820295
I charged a beast, attempted to slay it, and got knocked out from blood loss and stuff!
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>>52821210
Maybe do a lot more research on it before going anywhere near it's territory. A dragon that old and powerful has got to have information about it somewhere.

1: Tactics. You know it breathes fire and can drop in anywhere, and it has the ability to cast scrying spells of some sort. You know who is vulnerable to it's breath weapons and who it wants to attack first. Retrain some feats into teamword feats like Shielded Caster and Bodyguard, because you KNOW it will invariably target your caster. You know how everyone says "oh, heal after combat, don't memories healing spells, don't bother with cures, don't worry about having channel energy?" /tg/ is WRONG. Breath of Life, Cure Critical, and Channel Energy keep things like this from killing half your party in two rounds. You know it can cast wall of force - time to get that Rod of Negation you haven't been saving up for.

2: Resources. Diamonds are now your most valuable resource, right up there with Fire Resistance potions, wands, scrolls and rings. Tower Shields, and the Animate Shield Spellcan help provide cover agaisnt firey breath. DON'T CLUMP TOGETHER. that's how casters with color sdpay win D&D, because enemies group together. Or, if you DO group together, have tower shields. That blindnsense can be a lifesaver since you will be able to detect being scried upon. Your caster is at the level where detect scryiong (24 hour duration) and False Vision are a thing. Illusions (specifically Figments) can falsify information on a scrying sensor. On the plus side, chances are he was scrying the kobolds and not your party specifically.

Know your enemy, and make notes of what he can do and what spells he casts. These are keys to your eventual victory.
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>>52821354

Why not?
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>>52820841
It's a work in progress. Wist had to loot and riot because the power went down.
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>>52821345
Wyrm Sniper, targeted shot on a wing. Hope they die from the fall damage+cannon hit.

Level 15 to disable a wing with Wyrm Sniper, though. And you can't vital strike with Targeting Shot.
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>>52821363
>1: Tactics. You know it breathes fire and can drop in anywhere, and it has the ability to cast scrying spells of some sort
Do they?
Info on old dragons are probably rare finds.
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>>52821262
There's no way to flee without it running you down and butchering you.
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>>52819715
Too much pink energy is dangerous!
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>>52821368
Siege weapons are hilariously ineffective and slow to load.

The largest most damaging bombard in the game only does 9d6 damage and takes a total of 9 full round actions to set up. You also need at least 4 men to operate it.

Keep in mind 9d6 damage is only 31 damage

4 level 1 human warriors with a +3 composite longbows with rapid shot do almost double that damage at less than a fraction of the cost.
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>>52821437
And those archers can do that every fucking round as opposed to every 9.
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>>52821437

That's only due the Luddite who write the rules. I will make them far stronger and deadlier.
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>>52821265
I don't have any advice for you, I just wanted to say that I think this is a neat idea.
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What should I make for overlewd? I'm thinking Drow or Elf maybe...maybe tiefling. I dunno.
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>>52821359

That's quitter talk, and you know it! A proper Paladin is powered by the holy light of their host, not that red salty water!
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>>52821523

Very cute Drow raised by Dwarves.
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>>52821523
Make a LG healslut succubus.
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>>52821437
Keep in mind with wyrm sniper you can reduce the men needed to operate it to 3 and the full round action load/aims to move actions and the number needed to load by 1.

Which still puts it at 7 move actions and a standard to fire with a crew of 3 for a 9d6 damage hit that can't even benefit from the classes's specialization in siege weapon (can only put firearm training on LIGHT siege weapons). Depending on your level of vital strike you might get to double, triple, or quadruple that if you fire for straight damage though.

Which is still garbage compared to a single bow user. You would have to have some kind of vehicle with multiple siege weapons mounted on it and either loads of undead to crew them or get your DM to let the Skeleton Crew spell crew siege engines instead of boats and have a specialized gunner fire them all back to back as they are loaded. Maybe even a Siege Mage instead, since they get Master Siege Engineer even if they don't get Muitions Master and Skeleton Crew from Wyrm Sniper.

Only advantage siege weapons have is their insane range increment meaning you might get a few shots before they even get to you.
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>>52821265
This comfort in revelry and discomfort in intimacy works for his character because he still views most people as just walking sacks of Soul-Money. Or he thinks he does. I'd like to make him possess a tragically unrecognized craving for validation and an obviously fragile ego that feeds his negative self-perception and compels him to seek 'the answer to all of his problems' in the form of 'acquiring power/wealth' and simply buying the validation he needs from a disingenuous evil outsider that everyone (but him) knows will simply kill him and devour him the moment she (or he) gets him alone.

Anyway, fluffy character stuff aside: What's the best/simplest way to go about crunching this character out?

There's a Soul Eater prestige class, but it definitely feels like a spellcaster class and I'd like this character to be more of a martial because they feel (to me) more party-like and boistrous. I've been leaning towards AntiPaladin because they can find those delicious Good and Innocent souls the Daemons love so much. I suppose I've been overlooking Bard as a base class. I can't put my finger on why Bard doesn't feel right, all of the pieces are there, my description of the character's interactive habits seem to lean towards bard, but it still doesn't feel right... let's put a pin in that and keep throwing ideas around.

From the lore, Daemons primarily use Cacodaemons to harvest souls. Cacodaemons are relatively low level, easy to summon, the Soul Eater class gets a pet Cacodaemon at 1st level, I'm pretty sure most GM's would let met take a Cacodaemon as my Antipaladin's Fiendish Boon at 5th level to further my soul-hunt. Basically so long as I can access Cacodaemons I can technically harvest souls.

So I guess my first question is: What are some clever and interesting ways different classes can summon Cacodamons to do their bidding?

2nd Question: What are some off-beat builds for Antipaladin? I was thinking TwoWeaponFighting Sword and Spiked Shield.
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With all the unusual apps to Overlewd, I'm surprised that no one applied with an ordinary Japanese student who was summoned to that world with a cheat power.
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>>52821629
>GM Pact Avowed incoming
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>>52821523
Make a Not!Nier dad character who's a dad and also a badass old man to show all these whippersnappers how it's REALLY done.
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>>52821599

I don't think Antipaladin has the feats for TWF
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>>52821097
>Someone uses Dragons the way they're meant to be used.

Nice
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>>52821647

Is he also incapable of understanding Common and will gleefully destroy the world in his efforts to save his daughter?
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>>52821629
No, no, that's one of the antagonists the GM is going to throw at them.
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>>52821523
Go human and feel exotic.
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>>52821672
Don't you mean a pretty boy who's trying to save his sister?
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>>52821097
No thats basically how dragons fight
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>>52821523
Make a centaur.
>In the high woods there was none comelier of all the centaur-girls, and she alone by love and love’s sweet words and winning ways held Cyllarus, yes, and the care she took to look her best (so far as that may be with limbs like that). She combed her glossy hair, and twined her curls in turn with rosemary or violets or roses, and sometimes she wore a pure white lily. Twice a day she bathed her face in the clear brook that fell from Pagasae’s high forest, twice she plunged her body in its flow, nor would she wear on her left side and shoulder any skin but what became her from best-chosen beasts
Ovid, Metamorphoses, 8AD.
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>>52821700
I don't get why people are surprised constantly when dragons are highly competent super intelligent sociopaths.

I'm even more surprised when people are shocked when dragons use magic items when they are one of the few creatures that can afford them in large number.
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>>52821097
Let me ask you a question: if you were a giant, hyperintelligent, magical creature would you give the enemy a fair chance to kill you or would you fight like this? Therein lies the answer to your question.
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>>52821226
It might be worth it to retool Pathfinder. It would take some work, but ultimmate campaign and intrigue lay a decent enough ground work. It would mostly involve letting players take more feats/skill points and maybe things like social talents, then adding XP for doing social stuff, and maybe re work those subsystems. I mean the verbal duels thing is okay but it really comes down to just a skill roll off, so whoever has the higher points almost always wins.
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>>52821736
You do realize you can already get XP for doing social stuff.
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>>52821250
Given how most discussion I've had on her has led to arguments about hedgewitch stuff, I'm inclined to believe you. What can I do to fix her?
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>>52821757
Yeah but I'm not sure what the scale is. Like going all in on the non adventure side would mean things like getting XP for say, reaching a certain Capital threshold on your business or whatever.
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>>52821727
>>52821663
>>52821700
I'm gonna be honest it just feels like a bunch of bullshit that we were suddenly up to our asses in dragon without any warning. I'll tell you our party:

>Barbarian (Me)
>Summoner (Survived w/ me)
>Wizard (Died)
>Investigator (Died)
>Cavalier (Died)
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What's the fastest mount I can get at level 5?
Any 3pp, but it has to be actually written down. Don't just tell me to get <very fast creature> as a mount by asking my GM.
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>>52821797
Dragons don't fuck around
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>>52821724

Not just afford. They also have the strength to take whatever they want, can shapeshift if they want to solo some dungeons, tend to rule over small societies of crafty fucks, may receive tributes, and are probably intelligent and knowledgeable and magical enough to make shit themselves. They're basically high level PCs that settled down, except every single one is a giant flying master mage and martial.
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>>52821797
>The wizard died
what, how?
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>>52821821
Failed his save on the breath weapon. He had 78 HP the breath weapon did 94 damage and brought him from full to perma death.
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>>52821821
>fail saving throw
>get full-attacked in a surprise round

I wonder
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>>52821689

Overlewd is Gestalt, so it'd be an old man.
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>>52821821
He says what happened up above, the Dragon was invisible, the wizard cast See invisibility, the dragon breathed its breath weapon and the wizard failed the save, and then it targeted the wizard with a full attack.
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>>52821797
>Level 13 wizard
>No contingency
>No emergency force sphere
>No defensive items that can bail your butt
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>>52821821
Because white room theorycraft wizards=/=in game actively played wizards, that's how. Dragon did scry and die, attacked the wizard first. And with blindsense, displacement, blue, mirror image, and invisibility mean dick to a dragon, while physical attacks tear wizards apart.

/tg/ is stupidly ignorant about PLAYING a wizard.
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>>52821784

Don't let anons get you down, you're going to change your app over a random shit post?
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>>52821797
would you feel it was bullshit if you were hunting an evil archdruid and he just turned the ground under you to mud, then turned it back to stone and instantly killed all of you

this is like complaining that a maniac in a car ran you over instead of getting out and getting in a fistfight with you
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>>52821874
My confidence is pretty small, my dude. It doesn't take much.
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>>52821885
I am under the impression that the anon and his party did not know there would even BE a Dragon there.
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>>52821872

Emergency Force Sphere would've saved him, level 13 also has contingency
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>>52821852
>>52821857
I actually just now talked with the wizard's player. I was wrong, he didn't get attacked, he died to Crush in the same surprise round.

Apparently I didn't realize this, the dragon did the following:
>breath weapon'd
>stopped flying so it fell on part of the party for Crush

That's what killed the wizard.
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>>52821872
>/tg/ is stupidly ignorant about PLAYING a wizard.


correction: /tg/ assumes people playing wizard aren't idiots
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>>52821797
>I'm gonna be honest it just feels like a bunch of bullshit
I'm just glad there's a hero out there who never ambushes and then curbstomps groups of enemies, instead allowing them a few rounds to get their buffs up and then facing them on a level playing field.
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>>52821901
he clearly says they were "hunting" the dragon
they cleared a bunch of its lackeys
clearly they were on it's trail for a long time
and yet they were woefully underprepared and were punished for it
i see nothing wrong with this
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>>52821907
More correction, /tg/ assumes everyone playing a wizard is powergaming as hard as possible, even if they are in a party with barbarians and cavaliers.
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>>52821901
>kill the dragons pet kobolds
They really shouldn't have been.
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>>52821865
EFS wouldn't have worked, he didn't have an immediate action to use it if >>52821903 is what happened.

>No contingency
He gets 1 fourth level spell, don't think any that qualify for contingency would have saved him. Even more so he needs a specific way for it to activate to save him.

>No defensive items that can bail your butt
Name one that would have helped.
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>>52821929
>preparing emergency force sphere is powergaming
dude do you play swashbucklers or what
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>>52821903
Wait seriously? Ahahahaha that's hilarious, imagine literally getting crushed to death by a dragon instead of going down to a bite or claw like a man.
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>>52821903
Yeah, that would kill most anybody. Kind of hard to craft a contingency for that.
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>>52821940
>didn't have an immediate action
you always have an immediate action unless you yourself spend it on something
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>>52821941
Of course not. I play sword and board fighters. The way God intended it to be.
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>>52821940

A false life with a rod of maximize probably would've
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>>52821941
EFS wouldn't have saved him, the guy never had an immediate action to use it with if >>52821903 is the flow of events.
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>>52821940
>wizard only has 1 4th level spell

Aren't you level 13? He should have 7th level spells.
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>>52821865
"I have the distinct feeling I'm going to be flattened by a dragon today, I'll prepare contingency based on that!"
"I'm NEVER surprised, I am a wizard!"

You are this stupid.
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>>52821941
No but when I play casters I don't choose only the most optimal spells for every slot and laugh at people who don't.
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>>52821940
>He gets 1 fourth level spell
>13th +6/+1 +4 +4 +8 — 4 4 4 4 4 3 2 1 — —
>4
What the wizard should have done when he saw scrying sensor is realize he didn't prepare any anti-scrying measures when hunting a dragon, grab as many party members as possible, and teleport the fuck outta there.
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>>52821992
then don't cry when your wizard gets goomba stomped by a dragon
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>>52821990
Contingency only lets you use it with spells 1/3 your CL rounded down, so 4th level.
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>>52821821

Dragons are one of the better monsters for killing wizards if said wizard isn't a Dazing Fireball douchebag. They can get around most of the tricks the wizard uses to make other monsters fail so hard to threaten them, and this one got the drop on the wizard rather than the other way around.

If a dragon gets the drop on you and it's not like a very young one, people die.
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>>52821998
I'm talking about for CONTINGENCY.
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>>52821652
Right now I'm looking at Quick Draw, Channel Smite, TWF and either selective channel or control undead. But I'm not sure, never played an antipaladin before. Are there any other 'must-haves' I'm missing out on?
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>>52821991
Alot less stupid when you're actually hunting the damn thing. Gotta prep in advance for the thing you're actively looking to fight.
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>>52822005
If I get killed in a single turn by an enemy I couldn't know was there and the only thing that could have saved me was learning a certain spell and keeping it prepared forever and knowing to use it at that moment then I'll cry all I want. How the hell are people who don't even have access to those supposed to not die in that situation?
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>>52821998
>What the wizard should have done when he saw scrying sensor is realize he didn't prepare any anti-scrying measures when hunting a dragon, grab as many party members as possible, and teleport the fuck outta there.
I was the one who saw it. What happened was I saw it and turned to the party. The GM said the teleportation happened as I was finishing my sentence "Hey guys, there's a scry sensor over there we should get out of here." because the dragon teleported in 12 seconds after he saw us.
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What did we learn today?

Casters are gods...

But the plebs controlling them? Only human.
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I like how everyone also ignores the fact they just attacked and killed an entire group of kobolds immediately prior, and assumed the caster has all his spells still prepped. Schrodinger wizard strikes again!
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>>52822041

It's pretty feature complete on its own, if you're getting power attack for free you can take whatever
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>level 13 party spots a scry sensor appear next to them while on a dragon hunt
>no one does anything
>people die in embarrassing ways
>they then complain

man imagine going hunting for a shark and then drowning because you didn't bring scuba gear
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The only isuue with that scrying dragon I can see is that he can't cast greater scrying, and regular one has ONE HOUR cast time. And requires at least some knowledge about the target.
>>52822068
Speaking is a free action.
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>>52822094
Well if they're that high leveled then how much of a threat could kobolds pose to this party? Surely it wouldn't expending all the good shit you prepared for that day.

But yes it is still bullshit.
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>>52821940
If he can cast see invisibility, he is not flat-footed and has an immediate action.

Contingency's trigger can literally be "I think X" which you can do as a free action outside your turn. There is a spell that immediately comes to mind for this: dimension door.

As for magic items, I'll give that to you with truesight active on the dragon.
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>>52822110
>The only isuue with that scrying dragon I can see is that he can't cast greater scrying, and regular one has ONE HOUR cast time. And requires at least some knowledge about the target.
He was probably checking up on his kobolds and happened to see the party.
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>>52822061
>enemy I couldn't know was there

>hunting a dragon
>not constantly ready for instant death
>a fucking scry sensor shows up and yet you don't instantly fuck off
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>>52822094
>>52822105

Sort of highlights the issue that if you're playing a wizard in a game that gets to level 7 spells with a DM who is willing to scry and die you, maybe you should prepare a bit better? Did the DM hold back for six months to to spring this style on you?
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>>52821672
To be fair, he had no way of knowing that would happen, and without any of that context he is undeniably a hero

Now if it's anyone's fault, it's Kaine and the Twins
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>>52821991
>Prepare contingency

Wow...
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>>52822120
>If he can cast see invisibility, he is not flat-footed and has an immediate action.
Not if he hasn't taken his first turn in the initiative order.
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>>52822110
Time doesn't magically freeze because you started speaking.

Unless the words you said were the verbal components of a time stop spell, I guess.
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>>52822145
how the fuck was he casting a spell then, sherlock?
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Couldn't a level 13 wizard use contingency to cast contingent action and then use that action to activate time stutter?
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>>52822116
>they must be basic kobolds out of the book
>no one would possibly have some leveled up kobolds in a tribe that worships a dragon
I think you're talking out of your ass there.

>>52822110
You mean you can't use clairvoyance on locations such as "my tribe of kobold's lair"?

Or own a Mirror of Scrying, which works a lot faster?
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>>52822142
>>52821672
>Go and save the world!
>"Okay, I will"
>TEE HEE HEE I TRICKED YOUUUUU YOU'RE SO STUPIIIID
>HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A BAD PERSON
Getting real tired of this school of game design.
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>>52822129
See >>52822068

The wizard didn't see it. No one did, except the barbarian, who almost certainly lacks any ability that he could perform immediately that would save everyone.
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>>52821672
>>52822142
>make a dad who thinks he's working with the good guys to bring peace, justice, and a nice future for his daughteru... But no, he was the true villains all along.
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>>52822166
a level 13 wizard has so many ways to not die there that i can't even be bothered to start listing them

i'm certain there's also a good handful of ways he could've prevented anyone from dying at all, in fact
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>>52822172
>confirmed for having never played Nier.
Get out.

GO.
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>>52822105
>>52822129
>someone who is not the wizard spots the scry sensor
>turns around to tell the party "hey, there's a scry sensor, we should fuck off"
>dragon has already teleported in by the time he turns around, nukes the fuck out of everybody

wooooow
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>>52822170
>I think you're talking out of your ass there.

I made a reasonable assumption, so then you made an assumption and said mine was coming out of my ass.

What?

A random tribe going up ten levels because they worshiped something is pretty fucking extreme.
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>>52821872
>white room theorycraft
Now there's an old shitpost
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>>52822192
Okay, then what makes it special?
What makes it not RailOps: The Road?
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>>52822184
All of which require him BEING ABLE TO GO BEFORE THE THING AUTO-KILLING THEM.
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>>52822176
>almost certainly lacks any ability that he could perform immediately that would save everyone.
rage up and prepare an action to spell sunder the dragon that's clearly about to teleport on top of it's scry sensor
now it's visible and the wizard can cast something other than see invisibility
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>>52822223

I think we're all missing that the party went to kill a red dragon, and somehow its breath was able to do any damage to them? Really niggers? Didn't fucking cast prot from fire? Resist fire? These are level 1 & 2 spells.
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>>52822223
And knowing those spells, and having them prepared, and not having already cast them that day.
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>>52822199
yes dragons do this because why wouldn't they
a party of dragonslayers should be constantly ready for something like this

a dragon isn't a fucking fire-breathing lizard that grew too big it's a fucking giant wizard monster
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>>52822166
If he has those spells in his spell book and has them prepared for the day.

I usually take Limited Wish and forcecage as my two choice 7th level spells. you do only get two to pick from, the rest you pay for or learn from stolen/bought spell books. You don't know all of the spells instantly.
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>>52822217

Spec-Ops tells you "just turn the game off, bro" if you want to be the hero, which is shitty meta-narrative that runs concurrent to... You know, playing a game.

NieR simply has you replaying the exact scenarios you were in before, only this time with the enemy's babble translated by a monster in Kaine's body that NieR cannot hear. It's not saying you're a bad person, it's giving you perspective.

Yoko Taro was very interested in September 11th because of this, and in fact Yonah's birthday is September 11th. The game is about how failure to communicate leads to tragedies like you do in NieR.
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Foresight wizard would've never been surprised to begin with, in fact it would've gone before the dragon.
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So how does the Selective Tangibility feat for the Deathless Ghost actually work? It lets them interact with objects normally, but they have 0 carrying capacity because of no Strength, so what can they actually do with it?
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>>52822116
Barbarian player here.

The kobolds were a looting party being led by ones with CL, mainly a half-dragon kobold sorcerer.

Our wizard player didn't have EFS (talked to him and asked). He's a transmutation wizard. He gave me the list of spells he normally prepares:
>Black Tentacles
>Dimension Door
>Ice Storm
>Elemental Body I (school slot)
>Unprepared
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>>52822270
Contingency is level 6 however. It is always the first 6th level spell I take on a wizard because it is the best defensive spell in the game.

You can contingency a dimension door if you don't want to loop with contingent action to get out of this bind.
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so let me get this straight:
>scry sensor appears
>dragon teleports in
>dragon casts force wall so they can't escape and also breathes fire on them and also crushes them in one turn
hmmm
either that dragon had some legendary actions going or the party had at least 1 round to teleport, force sphere, whatever would save them
so either the GM fucked everyone or the party flopped it really hard
which way was it?
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>>52822245
and not very useful in killing kobolds, transportign the party to get to where kobolds are, and dealign with kobold spellcasters, etc. etc. etc.

White room theroycraft is easy. Dealign with this shit in game? Not like white room theorycrafting.
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>>52822320

Yeah because a level 13 wizard is super hard up for level 1 and 2 spell slots, he definitely doesn't have scribe scroll either for this exact reason
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>>52822292
Also note: In the first go around, Kaine knows what the monster is saying. She just never tells you. In the second go around, you hear what Kaine heard from THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE GAME! That

She

Never

Fucking

Tells

Anyone

About.
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>>52822317
>the GM fucked everyone
Likely this, sadly.
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>>52822254

Big dragons should generally be something you're taking your own life in your hands to fight.

I mean, hell, in 5th edition they mention a Blue Dragon tends to consider "rocks fall, everyone dies" an acceptable tactic to use on intruders unless they're feeling particularly sporting that day.

Fighting a green or black dragon underwater isn't a picnic, either.
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>>52822295
>white room theorycraft
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>>52822364

It's not white room, it's a basic fact that foresight is the single strongest school spec and to not take it is insane if you have any interest in not dying.
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>>52822357
i would like to make clear that scry-and-die is a perfectly valid thing for a dragon to pull, so the GM fucking the party over would come from it getting too many actions
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>>52822317
It's a free action to stop flying.

Just saying bruh.
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>>52822355

She even tells herself it "doesn't matter" you're (in some cases) killing children or babies because she either doesn't care or "they're just monsters."
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Pretty sure everybody's right here, guys. Dragons aren't to be fucked with, sure, but it's a GM's job to make the game enjoyable, and scale to party competence.
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>>52822420
You are right. I'm sorry for my remarks.
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>>52822420
Probably. There are ways to make a dragon fight intelligently that aren't quite that level of rape.
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>>52822420

The good news is the wizard can now re-roll to something that doesn't require so much thinking. "Golly gee a red dragon? What'll I use my level 1 slots for? Magic missile I guess..."
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Ok guys, here is the detailed flow of events from the wizard's player (barbarian player here):

>I see scry sensor
>turn to party to tell them
>dragon teleports in and surprise round begins
>casts Wall of Force (did this the same round he teleported in, don't know how, rod of quicken maybe?)
>round 1 begins
>the wizard casts See Invisibility (beat the dragon in initiative)
>dragon breath weapons the party and stops flying
>catches everyone but the summoner with crush
>wizard and investigator die
>wizard did have a contingency but it goes used in the fight against the kobold sorcerer when it and he had a spell duel
>summoner's turn comes, grabs me because I'm on the edge of the dragon's crush and dimension doors away
>cavalier is stuck alone and eaten by dragon
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>>52820029
Why didn't that dumb girl try to jump through the small lasers instead of taking the big laser? That would have been far better and she SO had the time to know that a big laser was gonna come out.

Tactics: don't let someone trap you with a smaller danger than the one they intend to use on you if you stay trapped!
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>>52822933
Because you can't beat the magical lesbian friendship ray.
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Recently, my group was tricked into going out into the wilderness to rescue a bunch of kids that were allegedly taken by a cabal of witches in the forest. What the townsfolk who recruited us didn't tell us was that they were an underground cult to a major demon lord - the kids were gonna be their next major sacrifice.
Our DM was planning on having us go through a pretty intense series of events through these woods, with a lot of influence taken from Blair Witch. It was supposed to be dark and suspenseful.

Was. So very much was.

See, by complete accident, our group had managed to get control of a Slasher a while beforehand - basically, Jason Voorhees, complete with incredible regeneration. Our DM wasn't expecting it at all, but he rolled with it - he doesn't believe in giving players shit for solving problems in creative ways. (We decided to call him Buddy in-character.)

>Wait. Were there any teenagers that were taken as well?
>DM: Yeah. Why?
>Then why the fuck are we just gonna tramp through the woods? Let's just let Buddy lead us to them.

And so we used Jason Voorhees like a hunting dog to find a bunch of stolen kids - the DM thought it was awesome, and rolled with it.
>DM: You know how the forest just goes totally quiet when something ominous is about to happen in a horror movie? Well, you can actually hear that happening as Buddy walks. It's like a bubble around him - wherever he goes, bugs and owls just go dead silent until he moves away.




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