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Functional Edition

>Lastest news :
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/17/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-drukhari-may17/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/17/new-warhammer-40000-reserves-and-deep-striking-may17gw-homepage-post-4/

>Your daily duncan :
https://youtu.be/CZEXEZnM8kU [Open]

>Previously on /40kg/
>>53294943 → #

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
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https://mega.nz/#F!z4wmmJyR!jTfwLczhdFjV0q6nowtGag!qgZhmAhK

>40k rules reference in wiki format:
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Latest GW teases:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW FAQs:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>8th edition FAQ:
https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/New-Edition-of-40K-FAQ.pdf

So has anyone else picked up on GW trying to get 4chan to accept primaries Marines with this forced "Manlet Marines" bullshit?
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>>53329693
SoB?
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>>53329693
Second for the guard
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>>53329748
4th for Slaaneshi Guard
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>>53330389
This is beautiful.
Praise the Omnissahiah.
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Hey looking for artwork of a chaos uprising being good, especially the one of the cultist holding an autogun with an 8-point star hood. Need them for a Dark Heresy game where the players are effectively facing the rebellion in Les Mis, and don't see Chaos till the violence breaks out
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>>53329693
I have a bunch of old Chaos Space Marines I have lying around, and they're not painted excellently or anything but they are painted, are they worse less because of this?

I'm thinking of off loading them.
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>>53331169
>are they worse less because of this?

Yes. Stripping can be a bitch.
If the issue is not time sensitive you should try stripping them yourself.
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>>53331209
How would I go about doing that?
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>>53331219
Find something that removes paint and immerse the models in it.
Dettol or Fairy Power Spray works.
If you're an American I've heard Simple Green does the job.
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>>53329693
Been not paying close attention to the news, can someone tl;dr all the changes from 7e released so far? Preferably as objective and general as possible ("Everything can hit everything" versus "lol a titan can get killed by a guardsman fucking dumb").
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>>53331219
Yeah, as >>53331263 said if you're in the US Simple Green seems to do the job.
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13th for 3rd Ed-tier daemonhosts.
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That feel when an entire eldar army deepstrikes inches away from your imperator titan on turn 3 of the apocalypse game and lights it up with D weapons but then it goes supernova.
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>Drew Carey Aeldari
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>>53331315
So just let them sink in simple green and wipe off the paint right? I could do that, seems simple enough.
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>>53331453
>So THIS is the power of shitposting!
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>>53331488
You'll probably need a toothbrush and tooth pick if you want it all off.
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>>53331488
Not him but yeah, just let em soak overnight and scrub off with a toothbrush the next day. It strips just about all paint without damaging the mini.
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>>53331504
>>53331510
Thanks anons, I'm a scrub when it comes to modeling, I didn't think you could strip paint as silly as it sounds.

My dad who's into modeling says alcohol also works for stripping paints, is that safe?
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>>53331525
For metals alcohol is safe. I think it'll nuke plastic and resin minis though.
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>>53331525
Paint some sprues and test it.
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>>53331535
Ya I thought so, he dabbled more in WWII models of a larger scale, not sure if they're metal or not.
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anyone looking for a daemon prince, 10 eldar guardians or a squad of blood angels?
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>>53330389
>Archmagoscomitstechheresy.webm
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Orks will be great again
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>>53329693
Reading the new rules it seems las/plas razor backs are now fucking awesome. 1 Lascannon shot, 3 storm bolter shots and 2 plasma shots, 4 plasma shots if they don't move. Every damn pack of long fangs should have one.
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>>53331556
Please do, I think it'd do you much good.
This shit is my job so I don't fuck around with bullshit advice.

More on topic
Which army do you collect?
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>>53329693
>https://mega.nz/#F!z4wmmJyR!jTfwLczhdFjV0q6nowtGag!qgZhmAhK

dead bin. Anyone have the newest WD?
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>>53331637
what blue is that?
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>>53331611
Is the daemon prince painted? I need one for my Alpha Legionnaires.
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>>53331769
caledor sky> teclis> baharroth
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> Draigo in the HQ slot

What do they mean by this?
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>>53331851
theyre probably done with the infantry lord of war nonsense
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>>53331873
> Marneus Calgar is a LoW
> Azrael, Grimnar, etc aren't
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>that new powerfist stat line

Fucking yes. If storm bolters are Assault 3, Standard terminators are going to be scary as fuck. Especially Nurgle and Tzeentch ones, a platform full of pain that will not fucking die.
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>Superheavy formation gives 3 command points
>Lets you take superheavies with no troop tax

But why though? I just hope that the Superheavy FoC isn't allowed in tournaments.
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>>53331938
Gotta sell them big models
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>>53331851
>>53331873
> Tesseract Vault is HQ: Infantry
> Necrons have no Lord of War section

Okay, yeah, I think the site's just fucked.
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>>53331922
>Marneus Calgar
>Lord of War
>special rules: God of War and Master Tactician

Fucking smurfs
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>>53331310
I'm going off memory so I might miss something

>everything can wound anything(6+)
>twin linked =double shots
>no more AV
>no more HP,
>vehicles and the like have quite a few wounds
>HQ cannot join squad
>cannot shoot hq unless closest model, hq has 10 + wounds or you have a sniper
>transports can carry X number of models. Capacity 10 could be 2 five man squads, 10 characters ,etc
>movement stat
>no more faction force org , everyone pulls from same ones
>can roll or pick for psychic powers
>morale replaced with battleshock
>battleshock is (units bravery - number of deaths - D6 = models flee)
>Ex: bravery 7 - 4 dead guys - roll a 4= -1 (1 guy flees)
>ap doesn't ignore armor but modifies it
>ap -2 makes a 3+ save a 5+
>knights no longer locked in melee with infantry
>some faction abilities reworked (power from pain)
>new psychic spells
>points in other book, not datasheet
>all rules on units datasheet, no more USR
>some weapons do more than 1 dmg
>invuln saves do not stack
>mortal wounds cannot be saved
>stats go beyond 10

I think that's everything
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>>53331952
Although it WOULD be hilarious if they made LoW HQs instead.
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>>53331611
What blood angels are they? Are they painted?
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>>53331788
he is base coated purple but other then that no a little stripping will the the purple off.
>>53331990
5 termies 5 assault marines and 1 captain unpainted but assembled they are from the ball set I think its called I got them a while back it was orks vs blood angels
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Anyone here remember the name of that one Space Marine chapter that was really obssessed with the dead and honoring them? Like, REAAALLY obssessed. All I remember besides that is that they are kind of a bunch of downers, what with all the death stuff.
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Hey guys, i stopped play 40k awhile ago, 3 years? and ive saw some of the new rules, do you guys think a full mek ork army will do well killakans deff dreds the gorkanaugt(?) and HQ in mega armour maybe could be a fun army to play with?
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>>53332071
we dont know. We have no idea of the full rules or points values for any of it.
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>>53332035
I might be interested, post a throwaway email if you want
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>>53332107
you have discord?
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>>53331974
Baneblade is my commander!
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>>53332079
i dont really care for the points as it will be mainly for fun, but i meant as in the changes to AV to T and a save etc
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>>53332161
we dont know the stats for the kanz or dredz, and we dont know how survivable or fast or killy theyll be
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>>53332174
Oh really? i thought they did one of each unit not just the space marine, god i hate waiting for news on this stuff, thanks bud
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>>53332198
the only thing theyve shown is the stat line for the morkanaut, not even the weapons or special rules
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>>53332037

Mortifactors.
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>>53332127
Baneblades are still in Lord of War, which fascinates me because Imperial Knights aren't in the force org at all.
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>>53332342
Imperial Knights are Lord of War in 8th.
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>>53332114
Uhhh I might give me a minute I'll check when I get home
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>>53332369
Yeah, definitely shows that the whole page is fucked.
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>>53332114
I do actually
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if they dont have a release date stated within the next week im gonna be pissed.

Imagine if another company did this. Expected you to be happy with dregs while they sit on the finished product in an attempt to make you salivate over it more.

Its the opposite effect of what they want. Since no one wants to buy models in case they get shit on by the new rules.

Fucking hurry up and release them already so people can plan campaigns and tournaments or even just beer and pretzel games.
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>>53330905
The best kind of guard
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Just did a tally of assembled / salvage / loose bits / sprues etc... here is what I can make.

Fluff-Wise would it be a reasonable force composition for:
- 31 1st Company Terminators + Ven. Dread, with Captain Severus Agemman & Chaplain
- 36 2nd Company Marines + Rhino
- 13 8th Company Bikers
- 5 10th Company Scouts

What should I add to this? Is the composition reasonable fluff-wise? Considering 2 Land Raiders or something...
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>>53332557
Game companies do this literally all the fucking time.
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>>53332615

fuck it all I want is a release date.
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>>53332557
At least we are sure it will be released this summer, or next month if you heard about the period GW employees aren't allowed to take a day off.

Some games get a promised release date, which then gets delayed for years. Never promise a release date before something is ready.
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>>53332418
>>53332486
Esdeathy
#6648
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>>53332557
Their doing this to boost the late year profits for AOS (as most people are buying AOS stuff right now and mostly ignoring 40k) and their fiscal year starts next month which is when they will drop the new 40k to Maximize the on the book profits for 40k for the new year. Releasing it now would be stupid as less than half the profits it would make in it's release would go on their current fiscal year.

Common you browse /TG/ you should know about Min Maxing.
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Since /wip/ is super dead, might as well.
About that Guilliman model, should I base him with Macragge Blue first then gold trim later or the other way around ?
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>>53332844
I'd do the gold first as doing that trim would be a bitch and a half, then do the blues.
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>>53332758

>/TG/

what is this place you speak of?


>>53332844

do the trim last. Try and find a painting guide to help you so you don't make too many basic errors while you paint him.
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>>53331263
Fairy power spray doesn't work. They changed the formula years ago.
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What's with the vehicle nerfing?
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>>53332866
I just bought some and it works fine.
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>>53332877
Vehicles are tougher now.
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>>53331588
Or just put the sprues in. The paint isn't a part of this test.
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>>53332895
That's likely true, but proper science requires the conditions be kept as similar as possible.
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>>53331952
There were Necrons in the Space Marine section a few weeks ago. Don't worry about it.
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>>53332877
that's an odd way of spelling Buffing
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>>53332866

white spirits

methelyated spirits.

just search youtube videos for stripping plastic models
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>>53332886
But it doesn't. Unless you got hold of some very old stock.
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>>53332894
How? Heavy bolters can now reliably wound leman russes
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>>53332844
Lord Duncan primed gold and filled in the blue after. Seems like it'd be easier than trying to find every single trim spot afterward.
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>>53332927
I wasn't the one asking for advice but thanks for the effort I guess?

I use dettol personally.
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>>53332935
Is that stopping monsterous creatures from being vastly superior to vehicles right now, hmmm ?
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>>53332935
What's the stats on a Russ in 8th?
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>>53332935
They also have a lot more wounds to chew through.

Not sure why I'm even arguing against you, I hate the changes.
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>>53332935
It's what? 0.3 of a wound per heavy bolter.
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>>53332935
Yes heavy bolters may now wound a Leamon Russ on a 5+ and it will shrug those off on a 4+ and it has 14 hull points meaning that those 1 or two heavy bolter shots will clearly inconvenience it. It's not going to worry until it seas a plasma gun, a Lascannon or a melta gun still.
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>>53332935
>reliably
I dont think you know what that word means
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>>53332954

yeah sorry, its 4am for me, my bad.
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>>53332983
Able to explain why you don't like the changes or just angry because change ?
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>>53332941
Duncan's Rubric and Bobby tutorials have the most retarded ordering ever
>paint and wash gold first (fine but debatable)
>basecoat the blue
>THEN DRYBRUSH THE GOLD
Why wouldn't you finish up the gold first? The drybrush gets that silver shit everywhere. What the fuck Duncan?
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>>53331263
LA's Totally awesome from Dollar General (if us) works well for pretty cheap
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>>53331525
for metal, just use dot3, just be real fucking careful that shit is toxic as fuck. But damn does it work fast
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So I've been out of the loop for quite some time. Is there anything new in 8th edition regarding Tyranids?
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>>53333071

Duncan does it the hard way on purpose because he knows he can make it look easy. He wants the bait the unthinned paint babbys into hurting themselves. He drinks their pain.
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>>53333175
Trygons are gonne do D6 wounds for each save the opponent fails in melee. That's the only peek from spcifically tyranids that we got.

Also during a Q&A it was said that Carnifexes will be faster than they are now.
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>>53333175

They've found new groundbreaking ways for tyranids to suck.
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>>53333071
As I said finish the gold then do the blue.
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>>53333175
Expect to go against a lot of framers and panic.
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>>53333175
Different fleets will give different benefits like how chapter tactics did
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>>53333199
That's neat! Honestly I just want warriors to be viable again. Anything beyond that would be great but I won't keep my hopes up

>>53333211
Impossible. We would need to reach such a level of suck we would wish we had been squated
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>>53333236
Framers?

>>53333276
I am down for that. Tyranids are all about adaptability and it is established in the fluff that different give fleets developed different adaptations
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>>53332864
/TRADITIONAL GAMES/
WHERE EVERYONE IS YELLING ALL THE TIME!
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Hey guys, I'm making an attempt at a /40kg/ discord server. Looking to also recruit a couple of mods to help keep it smooth. I took a few minutes to make channels for certain topics and everyone is welcome. I'd hope you guys try to be moderately civilized to ensure the survival of the server, but shit happens and it's a pet experiment of mine so no hard feelings if it dies.

https://discord.gg/mjZcYAN
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>>53332935
>reliably
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>>53333345
>moderately civilized
have you been in the recent threads?
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>>53333343
YOU DIDN'T MAKE YOUR CHARGE DISTANCE! MEASURE IT AGAIN!
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>>53333376
Anonymity is a HUGE contributor to that. When there's a name behind the post, people will usually think twice about doing it.
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>>53333292
Well Instant Death as we know it now will be gone. Instead heavy weapons are going to do a certain amount of wounds after you fail a save. For example a Lascannon has Damage D6, meaning does D6 wounds if a model fails its save, whilst the Dark Eldar Disintegrator cannon has Damage 2.
The new To Wound chart means that something needs double strength compared to the toughness of what it is hitting before it wounds on a 2+
Assault Grenades are just weapons now, so it is safe to assume there is no longer a penalty for charging through terrain beyond a move distance penalty.
Units that charged strike first, so a charging Carnifex will hit before its opponent does. No more bonus attack for charging however.
Armoursave Modifiers are back, and most weapons have rather low modifiers. A Lascannon only does -3, so something with a 3+ save still has a 6+ save against it. And cover will be a bonus to armour save. Special rules that used to give a coversave will probably all be a To Hit modifier.
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>>53333199
trygons can also assault out of deepstike as early as turn 1 and bring a unit of troops with them.

they're basically the choppiest drop pod now.
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>>53333410
Gotta make that 9 inch charge though. Probably still worth the risk, 'cause when you do make that charge and absolutely maul those high yield missile pod broadsides ... delicious Taufag tears
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>>53332557
It is pretty dumb.

I planned to start the hobby and the only thing i can safely buy right now for my planned army is a fucking $150+ renegade knight and maybe a rhino or two.

Everything else i want hinges around Primaris marines and elites.

Who knows if my 40k boner will last till mid june.
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>>53333394
dude why are you yelli-
I'M CLEARLY 7.2 INCHES AWAY, YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT
jesus, okay I didn't make-
WE'RE STARTING COMBAT PHASE
please just sto-
I GO FIRST
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>>53333437
true
though there is the command reroll you can use for it and there's probably going to be some bonus for trygons being fast (pretty sure they used to be as fast as revenors in 3e/4e) or new adrenal glands and fleet.
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>>53333400
All of this is beautiful.

>>53333410
I don't believe you. If that's true then something must be worse. Our models must be three times as expensive or we lost synapse or something
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>>53333498
its true. the trygons subterranean assault rule was revealed in the article on tactical reserves.
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>>53333498
Well all units can just walk out of close combat in their movements, though unless they have a special rule those units won't be allowed to run, shoot or charge that turn.
No more 1 overwatch per charge phase limit.
The new morale system is really punishing for large units. It's casualties from the entire turn + D6, everything point over the unit's leadership means one model of that unit is removed from play. Though Synapse will probably do something to limit the additional casualties you take from that.

You can use your 3'' pile in move before models strike to move into close combat with units you didn't charge however, and consiledating into another unit after winning close combat seems to be coming back.
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>>53333498
The showed off the rule in one of the recent articles, trigon nydus canal is go. You can even charge on the turn that you show up, but it's going to be 9"+
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>>53333524
Same article that releaved that there is no longer such a thing as reserve rolls. You can just have units in reserve arrive at the end of the movementphase you want to, even turn 1. It's nuts.
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>>53333071
He's talented enough to do it that way without fucking it up and really, it's an easy fix to just go back over the blue again before moving on. it is out of order but it's really not that big a deal.
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>>53333524
>>53333583
I am a very happy Nid player. This plus all the other rules I've seen for 8th have me really excited. This might be a new golden age of 40K if done right
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>>53333398
Fuck that shit.
That's how you get reputations and personalities.
Imagine a legion of tripfags.
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>>53329693
Is it time boys?
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>>53333779
Time to RIP AND TEAR? I fucking hope so.
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>>53333755
You mean like real life?
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>>53333779
> Tfw no Lighting Claws yet.
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>>53332986
Actually its 12 HP. Between the 5+ and the 4+ save you need 6 hits per wound. or perhaps 12 enemy guardsmen attacks per wound.

If we assume that they keep the Exterminator Autocannons 4 shots rerolling misses (because the new twin rules giving it 8 autocannon shots, while awesome, would be OP as fuck and I refuse to believe something that good could happen to my guardsmen) then that means that a single fully-kitted bolter exterminator can take 1 wound off a Russ per turn on average.

4 autocannon shots rerolling misses => 3 hits
3 HBs in hull and sponsons =>9 attacks =>4.5 hits
7.5 hits wounding on 5s =>2.5 wounds
2.5 wounds against a 4+ save => 1.25 wounds

It gets better with a lascannon or multimeltas, of course, but we're looking at bolters in this argument. Also note that this makes the predator equivalent even weaker.

Heavy bolter weapons teams give you 3 heavy bolters, but will likely have some sort of monster hunter order from the company commander.
9 attacks =>4.5 hits
4.5 hits wounding on 5s => 1.5 wounds rerolling =>2.5 wounds
2.5 wounds against a 4+ save => 1.25 wounds.

So its moderately effective. But according to the Imperial Knights faction focus this kind of "Moderately effective against heavy armor spammers if nothing better to shoot at" strategy was intentional.
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>>53333845
Nah, in real life you can speak out without having your name plastered all over your words. And your words don't float there with your name for eternity.
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>>53333451
>Turns out the other player was deaf the whole time.
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>>53331973
It's IC can't join units or be targeted first, not HQ.
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Anybody have any predictions on what the Redemptor Dreadnought will look like? I have a bad feeling it's just gonna be a bigger Contemptor. Something akin to a Leviathan would be pretty cool, though.
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>>53333779
I just want zerkers to be mini doom guys
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>>53333696
We forgot to mention there's been no mention of any sort of deep strike scatter. So popping up between two ruins is no longer dangerous.
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>>53333945
>being this autistic
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>>53333949
yeah. instead it looks like there's just a minimum clearence of 9 inches.

i wonder what they're going to do with the mawloc, its whole thing was deepstiking onto units.
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>>53331938
why? its fine they all need to be the same faction.
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>>53333974
It probably deep strikes into combat and just inflicts hammer of wrath damage, but there's a chance it lands off target and gets placed by the enemy nearby instead.

Idk, just my best guess.
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>>53333964
If you actually played 40k you would know it's a big difference between IC and HQ.
>They are not interchangeable
>It's not autism to know the rules.
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>>53331922

>Ghaz still LoW

FUCK

EVERYTHING
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Could use some advice on where to take my krigers before they cancel any more of the range.

Currently I have:

PCS x 1
Squad Firing x 1
Squad Advancing x 1
Engineers x 1
Death Riders x 1
Autocannon x 3 (1 full squad)

Looks like grenadiers and quartermasters are already gone, which sucks as I never picked them up.

Centaurs any good? Anyone have experience with thudd guns and the like?

I know it's hard to predict with 8th but I don't want to miss out on any more models.
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>>53332127

>Not commanding your force from the cupola of your personal Baneblade, raining down death on the enemy as you advance, crushing cowards and heretics alike under your treads
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>>53333998
>implying every single person in this thread doesn't know the difference, and what that anon meant
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>>53333974
It could simply be a unique exception since that's its gimmick
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>>53333974
>>53333949
Don't forget, the rules are different for various units. Some might still have some risk to their deep strikes, and some might be able to get closer.

The Mawloc would be a prime example of the latter. They could probably make it so that it can either pop up under stuff as normal, or maybe just make it so it can pop up within 1 inch and be in combat right away more or less.
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>>53333779
>Every unit someone asks about
THIAS UNIT IS NOW AMAZING, POSSIBLY THE BEST IN THE GAME NOW.

Im on to you
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>>53332615

>Modern game companies
>Releasing finished products

How is it back there in 1994?
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>>53331488
Super Clean is an alternative for Americans. Lots of people prefer it to Simple Green. Same process though.
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what do you guys think of my homebrew space marine chapter
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>>53334301
>It must be my brithday, now I get to kill yuo all!
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>>53334301
here is another picture but with more white on the right.
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>>53334326
>Wargear: Newpapr Sword
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>>53334346
>gives +1 to squart the spider
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>>53334326
Garfield ?
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>>53334301
Make it happen anon.
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>>53334326

white is right, after all.
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>>53334326
It would be great if you freehanded lagsana on for all the shoulder plates.
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I think Tau is a pretty cool guy. He uplifts aliens and doesn't afraid of diplomacy.
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>>53333948
But Doomguy kills Demons, not people...

I just realized that Doom (2016) is basically just Grey Knights the video game. The Night Sentinels would actually make a great inspiration for a Grey Knights count-as army.
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Are Necrons actually going to be seriously supported in the new edition, or are they getting shoved to the back like Tomb Kings were in Age of Skubmar?

I haven't actually had the time or money to play since 7th edition came out, but all that is about to change very soon. I still have all my Necron models, small though my army is. If 8th edition isn't REALLY supporting Necrons going forward I'll probably just stay out, but if the rules are good and Necrons are real I might stick around.
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>>53334784
what does "support" mean to you.
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>>53334793

Well, you know how Tomb Kings just got warscrolls but then had their models discontinued and basically ceased to exist as a faction in their own right?

I don't want that. I want Necrons to still be a faction in the new setting, I want them to have a model range that is kept available for purchase, and I want them to maybe even occasionally get new stuff.
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>>53334825
I mean, Do you really think Necrons are gonna get dumped? They've been in a pretty fucking solid spot since 5th, maybe not the best of the best for WAACfags these days but a comfy spot and still pretty popular. I think you're more than safe fampai
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>>53334825
>thinking non-marines will get anything ever
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>>53334784
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Silent King model if they start rolling out "primarch equivalents" (ghazzy, super swarmlord, etc) for each faction.

Every faction is getting a dex in 8th, so that would be when we would get new models.
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>>53334849

Had a feeling, just wanted to make absolutely sure. Gotta cover my bases, you know?

Now to just wait for the rules to come out and see if they're any good.
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>>53334859
>Every faction is getting a dex in 8th, so that would be when we would get new models.

False. They don't have include new anything because they're doing warscrolls. They can just release the model with the rules and then update the points list to include them.
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>>53332557
Have you never seen an announcement for a video game, or seen the permanent alpha games? From the way they've been dragging some shit out I assume they haven't even finished the rules yet. It's like they're trying to figure out people's reactions to bits and pieces and edit the rest as needed so they don't deal with a complete shitstorm on launch.
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>>53334879
Yes, but it makes sense to do "battle tomes" like they do in AoS for each army. Include relics and some special detachments or whatever, as well as some unique missions and a bunch of fluff.

This is not mutually exclusive with free warscroll type rules. See: AoS, where they currently do both.
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>>53334825
So you're worried that the biggest remake happening to get more people into the game and sell models to all of them...
Is going to discontinue models for one of the armies. They're trying to get people who don't already have armies to start playing every faction. Now think about your concern with that in mind.
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>>53334897

Yes, but the release codexes are not battletombs, so I wouldn't expect anything new until the Deathguard Codex
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>>53334928
Didn't they say Deathguard was going to be in the starter box? Not expecting anything new until launch doesn't seem like much of a wait.
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>>53334921

Hey man, it's Games Workshop. Age of Sigmar threw out some stuff, like the aforementioned Tomb Kings. I just want to make sure Necrons aren't going to the same way. I know Necrons have generally been more successful than Tomb Kings used to be, but I just want to be sure my army's not getting squatted.
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>>53334939

They can be in the starter box and just use legion rules until the proper Deathguard release.

>>53334941

Dude, the only reason TK were squatted was because they are literally NOT IN THE LORE anymore. What's even funnier is that TK are one of the most powerful armies in AoS. However, stop fucking crying over your Necrons because they're not going anywhere in the lore.
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>>53334928
So, what you're saying is that eventually books of one variety or another are going to be released for each faction?

Is it not too much of a leap to imagine those book releases will be accompanied by models?

That's all I was saying.
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Has anyone been able to make out that pic of what we are pretty sure is the new starter set on the nugle side? I think I can make out 10 plague marines, some sort of character and maybe a plague drone on the building? But there has to be more than that.
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>>53334989
Yea, but they're unlikely to have anything new with the 8th Codex updates, which is what I'm saying.
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>>53331973
Wasn't there also something about models within a unit can shoot at different targets.
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>>53334970
>Dude, the only reason TK were squatted was because they are literally NOT IN THE LORE anymore.
You're wrong. The lore bends to the models, not the other way around. Almost every GW author has explained that. Tomb Kings had such a reputation for selling poorly that hey were basically a meme.
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Hey guys, I'm in a really new group here with an outdated codex, we were wondering what the stats on the Totem of Subetai and the Duelling Tulwar were. Can anyone help us out?
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>>53335171

You know what? Fine. Yes. Necrons are going away forever.

Happy?
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>>53334825
i think your safe. There's a necron dynasty marked on the new galaxy map.

they're not going anywhere.
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>>53335171
Why are you actively trying to sabotage your own happiness?
>>53335233
What this guy said.
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>>53335251

Thank you.

I don't know what that other guy's problem is with me just wanting to make sure my army's safe in the new edition.
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>>53335233
>>53335258
I'm not that guy I was just chipping in.
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>decided to start elysians in 8th
>normal tauros and special weapons squad just went from out of stock to full gone

welp there goes that plan
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>>53335298
Wouldnt surprise me if Tauros went plastic with the next IG codex.
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>the great embiggening will now give GW an excuse to release new Primaris versions of shitty old finecast sculpts
DANTE PRIME WHEN!
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Also someone shared a rumor that Squats are allegedly canon again?
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>>53335324
Squats were brought back in 6th, that was 5 years ago.
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>>53335317
the taurox isn't plastic?
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>>53335324

Mentioned in lore again, .0001% chance of ever coming back as an actual army.
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>>53335317
ehhh
just sent forgeworld an email straight up asking if they're planning to keep supporting them or not
i doubt i'll get a straight answer but it's worth giving a shot
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>>53335373
tauros
don't you dare confuse it with that monstrosity
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>>53335391
They usually tell you if the mould broke, if you get a non answer its going plastic or gone forever.
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Fuck, still can't decide between building my BA or my GK for 8th.

Chainswords give +1 attack

Force weapons do D3 damage.
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>>53333860
>4+ save
LR is T8 W12 3+
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>>53335423
>>53333860
oh shit, you're just taking the AP into account directly, please disregard my intervention
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>>53335298

Sounds like a job for chinaman
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>>53335421
Power Fists deal d3
we can assume thunder hammers also deal d3
Force, deals d3
>GK get Hammers with Force
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Man, the thread has been SLOW today.
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Really not looking forward to the $1,000 I know I'm going to blow on building a Primaris army.
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>>53335531

People are too busy masturbating
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>>53335421
Go magnet crazy and make entirely swapable loadout for every single marine!
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>>53335399
I would love for IG to get an armoured car type thing, but I don't know how it could be differentiated from a sentinel rules-wise.
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>>53335554

I-is that a bad thing? I think I'm addicted to magnets.
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>>53335556
Tauros are just faster sentinels in tthe heavy support slot.
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>>53335298
>this faggot again

And, like always, when it come back you still do not buy it.
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>dkok grenadier squad is also 404
well so much for starting a forgeworld Ig army i guess
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>>53335528
Daemonhammers D6 Damage
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>>53335568
Not at all, I appreciate when an opponent has fully WYSISYG models. Helps when they can plop down an army with their exact loadout every game.

Not to mention people that care enough to magnetize their models usually also take the time to fully paint their armies.
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>>53335617
>>>53335568 (You)
>Not at all, I appreciate when an opponent has fully WYSISYG models.
I love it for that reason, and Calth is so fucking easy to magnetize.

>Not to mention people that care enough to magnetize their models usually also take the time to fully paint their armies.
Y-yea!
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Do you think the 8e release WD will come with a free bigmarine?
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>>53335690

Will it have nipples of the future?
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>>53335391
>I have further info on the Elysian Drop Troops that might be of interest. The Tauros Assault Vehicle has been temporarily out of stock for over ten months now. When I reached out to FW some months back they said that the mold was in poor
shape and that it was slated to be evaluated for repairs at a future date.
>Also of note is that many of the "popular" Elysian Drop Troop infantry models I have picked up from FW have had excessive flash due to worn molds, though the infantry models and kits that are less "popular" barely show any flash at all. Hope this adds some context to the situation but my opinion is they will have to decide if it's worth recreating the molds or scrapping the line all together.

via Natfka
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>>53335690
>8th starter box will come with nurgle bigmarines
>therefore those fucking models will be everywhere, run by every newb to the game who got the starter box, and lose their special-ness after you've seen the 100th horrifically painted or gray primaris plague man

welp guess I'll be doing a lot of conversion work
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>>53335724
>Natfka
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heard you guys talking about spray priming and it being a bad idea in humid weather. I'm in guam and all my guys that I've primed have been done outside in the wind and then immediately taken inside to dry (didn't know to do this but the kitchen is right there)
What happens when you prime in humid weather? I want to look at some primed guys I have to see if I'm fucking it up before I prime some immortals
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Hopefully Tau will be a lot more interactive to play against in the new edition, tired of being shamed for my army among my group when the most powerful thing I field is the drone net. Also, pulse rifles wounding dreads on a 5 makes me moist. Fire warriors are by far my favorite unit in the codex
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>>53331952
>>53331851
Holy shit, I just checked the Blood Angels section
>Seth, Dante, and fucking Lemartes are HQs
HOLY SHIT FINALLY THANK YOU GAMES WOR-
>Scouts removed from Troops
>Only 2 Heavy Support options (Baal and Devastators)
Yeah, I think the the sites just fucked.
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>finished reading The Carrion Throne a few days ago (spoilered for, you know, curtsey and because the FUCKING RULES SHOULD SAY SO)
>they actually linked back to old timeline events
>the timeline was The Ad Mech codex event telling how the Ad Mech made a deal with the Dark Eldar over technology to fix the Golden Throne
>This ended with The Inquisitor protag killing the Inquisitor who had been ordered by the High Lords of Terra to bring the Dark Eldar to the Golden Throne so he could attempt to fix it. The Dark Eldar had escaped and created an army. The Inquisitor admitted they had traded planets and millions of souls for the Dark Eldar 'expert' and they had been betrayed, obviously, by the Dark Eldar. Before the Inquisitor puts a bullet in her skull she says 'there were three in total'or something. This implies there is either three Dark Eldar, three Eldar or three Xenos coming to try and fix the throne. The Dark Eldar at this point tries to kill the Inquisitor protag, but is stunned by Needle Gun poison. As he's dying the Inquisitor asks for names and the Dark Eldar beings to tell him but is killed by a Custodian Guard Captain who had come down to sort it out. He did not care about plots or anything, only to protect the palace. He also says he'll kill the Inquisitor for being there (even though they had come down together) as it was. That didn't happen.

This makes me wonder if the three is referring to a Dark Eldar, Eldar and Tau or maybe Dark Eldar, Tau and Necrons or something? It'd be much more interesting if the Ad Mech/Inquisition/High Lords ordered one of each advanced cloning/high tech races to come help

Was a good book.
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>>53335724
thanks anon
guess i'll start dkok or just stick with my valhallans
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>be GW
>finally released Custodian Guard for 30k and 40k
>supposed to be best of the best of the elite
>suppose to be god-tier only beatable due to their lack of brotherhood
>suppose to be the Spartans of 40k; highly skilled but lacking in the unity of the Romans (Space Marines) and shit
>Give them good stats to represent this
>Few months (if not weeks) pass
>NEW PRIMARIS SUPER MASTER RACE MARINES! BIGGER! STRONGER! TOUGHER! NEW ARMOUR! SUPER ARMOUR!

Why did they release Custodian Guards when they're now irrelevant in the face of fucking tactical Primaris Marines? Fucking GW. Glad I didn't buy the Talons of the Emperor box now.
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>>53335770
>Tau
No, they are way less advanced than Imperium.
Necrons don't do biotechology besides single cryptek.
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Finished up Yvraine. Thoughts?
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>>53335793
Serves spoiled daddy's first ones right.
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>>53335793
Are you really this stupid, or are you just pretending?
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>>53335762
Lemartes should be a free choice if you have a 15 squad Death Company. Or he should be made 3W. For his price he's just not worth it. It is always better to go with Death Company Chaplain + Crozirus Relic.

Speaking of that book, fuck me is it retarded

>Hey you can use these Death Company Relics!
>GREAT! :D
>Only for this detachment!
>O-Okay...
>Here are your HQ choices able to take Relics in these Detachments!
>....
>Death Company Chaplain
>...
>Techmarine
>Umm?
>ENJOY! Enjoy giving your Death Company Chaplain a 2H sword despite Chaplains badge of office being their Crozius!
>ENJOY! Giving units clearly not suited for melee company like that or shooting all this crap. Or a 30 point CA thing.

God damn it GW. Why can't I have Death Company Captains and Death Company Terminators? I better get them when Baal is invaded.
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>>53335798
Yeah but Earth Caste are probably smart enough to learn and try and help? They'd probably do it in exchange for a planet or two.
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>>53335810
The blue gem color leak out a bit and cover the gold around them, see if you can clean that up. Also, some highlights on the bodysuit might be good. I like the face.
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>>53335759

They already sound pretty fucking miserable to at against

>all jetpack units can freely moonwalk and shoot
>stormsurge gets its own rule for moonwalking because fuck you
>drones eat wounds and thus prevent battleshock
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>>53335851
>Earth Caste are probably smart enough to learn and try and help?
Earth Caste never saw anything bigger than Tau'nar, which is simpler and weaker than smallest Titan.
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>>53335762
Why would scouts even still be a thing if you can just make bigmarines?
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>>53335821
What? Primaris Marines are bigger than Custodians in terms of models iirc. They're in Mk10 Power Armour, new enhancements and genetic shit. The only way the blow can be softened is if the Custodes have much better rules, but I doubt it. I don't see the point in the Custodes existing if they're just going to 1UP with Primaris. Why bother making them in the first place when they're supposed to be the pinnacle only to slap them down with new shit?

Honestly see no reason for Custodes existing in terms of models and rules. Should have just left them be.
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>>53335874
There obviously will be primaris scouts.
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>>53335859
Ah, see those bits now. I'll fix those up then.

Thanks for the feedback
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>>53335873
True but bring them to the Golden Throne (and they're less likely to be autistic ADHD faggots like the Dark Eldar) and let them study it and see if they can fix it. I don't see how the Dark Eldar can help. I assumed it was going to be via cloning, but it COULD be they'd create/upgrade the system so suffering/death from the pyskers would restore his flesh like it does for the Dark Eldar.

It could be either of those.
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>>53335842
>see the leaks for the relic Inferno Pistol
>it's basically a Mastercrafted Meltagun that also gives you an extra attack in melee
>all for 15 points
>hype as fuck, plan to run it on everyone
>release day
>"Yeah, sorry. The only one who can actually take the relic Inferno Pistol is the one guy who already has an Inferno Pistol stock."
Fuck you GW. As if those relics weren't by-and-large shit enough, do you really have to hold them hostage in a shit detachment too?
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>>53335869
shooting in general has been nerfed, and markerlights too (re-roll 1s instead of BS+1)
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>>53335882
Primaris marines are just space marine vet equiv. Custodes are far better.
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>>53335882
You honestly think Primaris marines will be flat out better? The Primaris are meant to be mass produced and shipped out all over the imperium. They're not some crazy asspull Mary-sues
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Anon, plz, talk me about 1st edition? Is it good for gaming? I confused about absence of necron, tyranid and tau. Maybe some fan-made codices?
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I need Land Raider rules!

I NEED THEM NOW!
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>>53335986
They didn't exist back then.
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>>53336007
6" T1 W1 Sv 6+
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>>53335966
They are already flat out better than manlet Marines though. 2W and better gun.
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>>53336093
>the upgrade to manlet marines is better then the thing they're a direct upgrade from ?
hold the fucking presses
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>>53336093
>Special forces unit that's more expensive has better stats than the baseline unit
In other news? Dogs are mammals.
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I'm very late to all of this, but space marines have really taken a hit in power. Between primaris and custodes, the space marine is kind of a third stringer.
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>>53335882
we already have rules for Primaris. They're TSM with 2 wounds, a better bolter, and no other weapon option.
Custodes have way better stats and equipment.
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>>53336108
Wait....aren't Space Marines the special forces of the imperium compared to the imperial guard?
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>>53336040
Pretty sure there's some Tyranid stats in my RT book. There definitely was genestealers, but they weren't Tyranids yet.
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>>53336115
Yes, and the Imperial Guard are the special forces compared to the Planetary Defense Forces.
It's turtles all the way up, and all the way down.
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>>53336107
>>53336108
Way to miss the point. Check what he's replying to.

>>Bah! As if fuckers would make 1+1=2!
>>But 1+1 does equal 2.
>>Look at fucking genius here pointing out that 1+1=2. We bow to your fucking greatness.
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>>53336125
Mostly meaning in the state they are now. There was early necrons too, but nothing like they are now and I don't believe tau had much of anything that early.
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>>53336125
There were tyranids and zoats.
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>>53335986
>>53336040

Elements of what became the Tyrannids was clearly visible originally, it's just that they weren't an army so much as a few unrelated or vaguely related random encoutners, only had a couple of units including genestealers, and were generally just thrown together in the way a lot of 1st edition was. It's not bad, it's just that first edition was clearly based on the idea of "lets throw all this shit together, build a campaign and your own enemies from it once you get the hang of the rules". It's a similar situation as chaos where there's vague references to stuff in the warp that clearly became chaos as the setting expanded, but at the time was equivalent to your generic terrors from beyond.

Tau just flat out don't exist, but they're probably the easiest to just plug into the system since Dreagnoughts are meant to be generic piloted robots used by any faction rather than the unique SM stuff they became. You can probably reconstitute Tau from just the stuff in the original Rogue Trader crunch for like half the units.
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>>53336125
what if i take 2ed tyranid, and re-worked into 1st? would it be good?
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GW says that you will want to take both regular marines and primaris marines.

Does anyone really believe that? Wouldn't I rather have a bunch of 2W dudes?
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>>53336093
Flat out better than Custodes?
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>>53336173
What would be the point of that?

If you want the older feeling 40K, just play 2nd ed.
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>>53336177
Much less flexible, though.
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>>53336111

The space marine has kind of always been as such outside of first founding chapters, and even then not always. Between Ork Snipers and shit like Grey Knights using terms like "lowly battle brother" in an offhand way to describe their own rank and file the space marine has been a kind of disposable thing for a while now. The difference is that Marine players like to assert their guys are special and somehow not just more grist for the mill unlike every other army, just because their grist is thicker.
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>>53336129
Uh....no.
See, guy A said that Primaris aren't a Complete Upgrade, like Custodes. You know, talking fluff.
Then, Douchenozzle B said that they had better stats. Like crunch.
We're calling Douchenozzle B a moron for thinking 'this unit is better than that other unit' to mean 'THIS UNIT IS NEW GREATEST EVER!'
I mean, last time I checked, the existence of Veteran Guard units doesn't invalidate your Tempestus Scions.
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>>53336197

That and point cost. You won't get many Primarises compared to fielding anything else.
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>>53334040
>every unit is the best unit in the game
>in year 2017 GW finally managed to balance one of their games
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>>53336197
For now. Mark my words, 10th or 11th edition will retcon Primaris Marines away and these guys will just be regular old plumbuses. This is all a way to update the SM range without everybody 100% flipping their shit. The old marine models are aging pretty poorly and GW finally has the tech to make properly sized Space Marines. Look out for Primaris Terminators and upscaled SM vehicles in the near future.
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>>53334326
Their chapter master has the pipe, right?
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>>53329693
I'm glad my no-nonsense general style took off, but you're missing:

>Warhammer 40k 8th Edition: "Leak" Compilation
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/04/26/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-leak-compilation/
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So if chaos aren't getting primaris marines how are the y going to stop them falling to chaos? Think they'll explode if they fall or something retarded like that?
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>>53336251
When every unit is the best in the game, no one is - GW, 2017
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>>53336212
>I mean, last time I checked, the existence of Veteran Guard units doesn't invalidate your Tempestus Scions.

Which is why this entire shitstorm is so hilarious. IG players have to deal with sporadic model upgrades, differing gear and equipment among elites, and the idea of competing elites for a long ass time.

The difference between a Primaris marine and a standard marine is basically the same thing, but for players who either never had to deal with shit like that, or in occasions where you do it's only in incredibly minor situations where it becomes an annoyance at best.
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>>53334326
https://youtu.be/Y-ooCnZviZ8
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>>53336281
You remember how AdMech stole lots of tau shit in the latest Damocles crusade? They managed to secure the chaos immunity from the commies and Cawl installed it to the primaris marines. They can't be corrupted and are partially tau now. Enjoy your new marines :^)
Falling to chaos is a meme and only works if plot demands it.
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>>53336281
They are supposed to be more resistant, but GW said it's untested so we'll see.
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>>53336292
>The difference between a Primaris marine and a standard marine is basically the same thing
that's retarded.
Space Marines are genetically modified.
IG just wear a uniform.
It's not even close to being the same thing from a fluff perspective.
Scions are also not 150% taller than all the other guys in your army.

Apples and oranges.
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>>53336281
they'll get them in yhe fluff. just not rules.
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>>53333443
The first and foremost thing you have to consider that while 40k is indeed a hobby, first and foremost that hobby is building and painting the models

There's a reason why I painted armies are often frowned upon as they usually show that the player is not invested enough/cares enough for the hobby/setting of warhammer to paint their dudesmen

Figure out if painting is your thing first
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>>53335759
Dude, new rules mean they wound t6-9 on a 5.

That includes knights and presumably all vehicles less heavy than that.
Rhinos, predators, dreadnoughts, battlewagons, chimeras, gorkanoughts, defilers, soul grinders, all eldar vehicles all wounded on a 5.
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>>53335810
Looks kinda flat.
Need better light and a backdrop so we can judge it's colour properly.
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>>53336281

I assume codex rules and being broken up the way they are. If one squad of them falls along with a few regular ones it won't really affect the ones distributed to another chapter, or on another front, ect. unless it gets really bad, and there's only a few cases of it getting really bad for the last ten thousand years. Chaos Primarises won't really be an issue until like the 43rd millennium outside of a handful of dudes.

The natural chaos counter to them is probably an advanced corrupted form of CSM. Which is basically what CSM's are meant to be by defaut. So just say "we're statting these guys out to be somewhere between a normal CSM and a prince" and just throw up something vaguely equivalent.

The eye of terror is big now. The chaos gods are probably throwing that shit around like party favors.
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>>53336316
Anyway you look at it, you're still both fruits.

Especially Dark Angels.
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Im trying to slowly repaint my army into Red Scorpions with some differences. I remember them being purity above all so are flamers in order or rather shit ton of purity seals?
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>>53336316

There are modified IG units and there are elite IG units.

If you wanted to get pissy a Catachan probably should be about that tall by comparison anyway.
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>>53335711
Really really bigmarines when
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>>53336373
Those are called Custodes. Numarines are the missing link between Marinelet and Terminator
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>>53336281
>>53336317
i'm just assuming the new recruits won't fall because they're new and properly instructed
and chaos marines can't turn into primaris marines because lol chaos corruption you turned into a spawn
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>>53336373
>not painting them red with blue aquillas and yellow helmets
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>>53336281
By having Guilliman use them responsibly and not throwing them away in trench warfare, using them as meat shield or shitting on their leaders every second.

Much as I dislike big blue, even he'd bound to have learned for daddy's mistakes.
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>>53336396
>By having Guilliman use them responsibly and not throwing them away in trench warfare, using them as meat shield or shitting on their leaders every second.
but then how would they earn redemption in the eyes of the emperor anon ?
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>>53336366
I don't recall them being all about flamers, more about apothecaries since it's genetic purity they value
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>>53335888
I'm sure there will be some with sniper rifles, but that's a bit different to "not finished yet" little marines.
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>>53336366
They follow the Codex Astartes like holy scripture so they follow the proper ratio of special weapon religiously, their only deviance is Apothecary sergeants, and *Loads* of power weapons and a very low stock of terminator armour.
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>>53336438
Don't have your planet turn to chaos in the first place.
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>>53336197
"Less flexible" is pretty much damning with faint praise for regular marines. Almost every edition has been about trying to minimise the number of "guy with bolter" you take (either through MSU, taking min scouts as troops or bikes recently) so saying that new marines can only be all bolters or all special weapons and so are "less flexible" isn't really much of a downside.
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>>53336396
>Galaxy split in half, chaos is rampaging everywhere uncontested
>time to noblebright my marines! Let's just toss those worthless humans to the meat grinder, they are here to protect primaris marines, not the other way around
Gorilla man is the heretic of worst kind. May the Emperor rise from his throne and smite down this great enemy of mankind.
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What if we added a rule that let people fall back from melee combat so they can't get stuck, but to be fair to melee we'll stop them getting to shoot, but to be double fair to shooting we'll let the best shooting armies shoot anyway.

I'm a game designer.
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Hey guys, I'm having this party coming up in a couple of seconds.
Wanna come? It will be lots of fun!
There will be free refreshments and all sorts of party games.
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>>53336675
>t.
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>>53336639
>I'm scared of 4' tall blue spacemen
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>>53336686
You're no fun anymore
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>>53336639
>why aren't ranged and melee balanced like real life?
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>>53336722
>heh, that's a weak meme you have there... kiddo. You'll never survive on the chanz.
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>>53332981
T8 W12 from memory. Slows down as its wounded. I Think they also released the stats for the battle cannon weapon, but it looked pretty shit from memory.

I think thats all so far.
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>>53336639
We have to see how consolidation work and if you are allowed to do it if the enemy unit disengage from combat

With the information we have right now it can potentially be
>Ok, I disengage my unit from combat and put it 3" away from you assault unit
>Fine, I consolidate 1d6", if I roll a 3+ I'm back into combat with you since I can consolidate into combat
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So now that armor save modifiers are in, will such a thing as a 1+ save ever exist?
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>why yes I do play T'au
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>>53336779
Unlikely, probably just a special rule to reduce AP so there isn't any confusion.
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>>53336779
They will use the "rule of one" from AoS
Which means no matter what mods you get you always fail a save on a one
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>>53336761
Disengaging is normal movement if I recall.
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>>53336782
>pic related
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>>53336779
You can put terminators in cover to have 1+ save

But ones are certain to remain failure in any case
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So looking at the rubric data sheet warpflamers no longer have the warpflame special rule (giving +1 FNP basically). Wonder if that means Tzeentch flamers are back on the menu?
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Do you think we'll get primaris assault marines?
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So i am new to 40k. Got a 700 p skitarii army and was gifted a sm tactical squad. What sm chapter would be the best to work with my skitarii army? Also can i just paint regular sm red and call them blood angels or is this practice not allowed?
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>>53336807
Nigger we are going to get Primaris everything.
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>>53334326

Warfield?
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>>53336815
Go with the Iron Hands. They are total bros with the Admech/Skitarii
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>>53336807
there will be all kinds of primaris. the basic ones in the pics so far are Intercessors, the basic tactical squads. there will also be primaris vehicles.
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>>53336815
Steel Confessors
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>>53336807
>>53336816
the more I read about it the more it seems like (((GW))) really is trying to replace normal marines with primaris. I didn't want to believe it wew
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>>53336794
I went back to reading it and it doesn't say it's normal movement, just that you can move away from combat
But it's fair, it could be normal movement for that unit, but at the same time we don't know if consolidation will remain a 1d6" or it will be normal movement too
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>>53336851
Being able to consolidate 12" for some unit seems a bit much so I doubt we'd see that.
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>>53336797
>sit behind wall as tactical
>wall deflects bullet 1/6 of the time

>sit behind wall as terminator
>wall deflects no bullets ever fuck you

8E everybody. The walls are sentient and spiteful.
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>>53336849
New Regular marine kits will not be made
All future SM and probably chaos will be primaris sized stuff
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>>53336879
Just means they will still get a 2 up save vs guns with -1 ap when in cover
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>>53336867
We're completely in the hypothesis territory about that part
I think it's unlikely that they'll consolidate their full movement, but we don't know if the unit can disengage their full movement either
We'll have to wait and see
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>>53336849
They confirmed that it's possible for existing canon space marines to get upgraded to Primaris marines. So now everybody knows that they'll be phasing out marinelets.
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>>53336879
>If you have S10 or S6 you have the same chance to be frozen by a Frost Cannon

7E everybody
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>>53334009
Pick infantry or artillery formations and go from there. I just received two thudd guns in the mail.
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Anyone love trolling through eBay and finding absurd prices for shit? I just found one that's for 2 heavy weapon sisters, missing both weapons, for $40. FORTY FUCKING DOLLARS
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>>53336904
>They confirmed that it's possible for existing canon space marines to get upgraded to Primaris marines
source?
would be funny to see if they're going to explain everyone having MKX power armor
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>>53336925
Yeah I love seeing what people charge for "pro painted" models
200 bucks for some dogshit hq lol
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>>53336504
The big difference is that now all models can split fire. So a tactical squad with a special and a heavy weapon is not going to waste shoots even if those weapons have very different ideal targets.
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>>53336925
>So I bought this stuff for $500
>Then I painted it really poorly
>Its definitely worth $1000 now
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>>53336937
Yesterday's live Q&A
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>>53336937
They said so in the Q&A you can watch it yourself on Facebook if you want. There's absolutely no reason to keep the little chumps around. You can bet that there won't be a single new marine release that won't be in mkX (or mkIX for scouts or something)
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>>53336962
>Yesterday's
Want's it Thursday?
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>>53336939
>>53336949
Here's a Gem

"OOP metal model" it's $35 plus shipping
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Not even a marine player but im very interested to see the art direction of the new primaris stuff
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>>53336990
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>>53336325
Well customing my own dudes and painting em with a lore respecting yet personal color scheme is the most exciting part right now. And ive been watching/reading plenty of guides.

I suppose there is the chance that i pick up a brush and hate actually doing it, but i doubt it unless im a total fuckup with unsteady hands.
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>>53336990
To be fair it has curiously painted tiddies on parchment.
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>>53336925
>20 Guardsmen and a old Russ
>Painted like a cake and half of them are broken and assembled like shit
>400 dollars

My fucking sides. The worst part about auctions is people trying to sell a whole army and absolutely fucking refusing to split it.

>Bunch of guard shit
>Guy wants like 500 bucks
>Auction has been up for 3 months now
>Have asked twice when the auction runs out about buying a few squads separately for a reasonable price
>No thanks mate I want to sell it all at once
>Pick up only

How fucking delusional are these people? If after 3 months of it not selling, maybe it's time to consider that you are doing something wrong?
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>>53336996

HOLY SHIT

This dude is asking $1850 for "mostly resin models"

>EIGHTEEN HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS
>RESIN MODELS

This motherfucker is trying to get 1800 burgerbucks for a fucking recast army
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>>53336990
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>>53337045

I would forget the picture because I'm so hyped
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>>53336990
eBay need a "flag shit" tool

>>53337059
>>53337045
You can report counterfeit goods
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>>53337071
Did you volunteer as hall monitor in elementary school?
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>>53337071
Lol check out this fucking narc. I bet you browse Reddit too. Who gives a fuck what people are trying to sell?
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Emperor's Children and Fulgrim FUCKING WHEN
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>>53336964
inb4 waves of idiots screaming HAHAHA UR JUST AN AUTISTIC WHO HATES CHANGE

no nigger, what you don't understand is that people don't want their armies they spent potentially thousands of dollars and hours on to become old faggot shit with no rules support and no updates. people don't play with squat armies anymore, gee I wonder why. oh yeah it's because they aren't supported anymore. normal marines have rules in 8th, will they in 9th? or 10th? possibly not if numarines are now the main ordeal. GW says they will still be valid presumably forever but come on it's GW.

and it's just the lamest shit ever from a lore perspective. it's basically soft destruction of the 40k universe (compared to the hard destruction of WHFB), do you remember those 10k years of space marines who were the lifeblood of the franchise? yeah well all that history is irrelevant now, those marines are dead figuratively and literally, now the hobby is all about these new faggots because we want to sell models to retards who don't care about the 40k world, didn't spend hours actually getting good building their armies, don't have years of investment, but do have wallets. it's just a complete fuck you to everyone who ever played a space marine army and doesn't want to play a completely different, new army.

I don't hate change, I hate my models losing support. This could be 100% avoided by simply releasing a new SM kit at truescale. Yes, your old marines now look old hat, but it's the same unit. You don't have to buy new stuff unless you want, and many people would want to add new marines to their army. They might do so at their own pace until gradually they have a force of truescale marines and a separate army of the old sculpts. So your old models still get rules updates, are still playable in the game, and are still the same thing in the fluff instead of some retarded asspull that makes them different.

I hope I'm wrong and normal marines will get new kits and updates. But it's GW.
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>>53337045
>>53337059
Do they still make models with resin? I was going to start back up 40k a few years ago and bought a resin DE Archon and the model looked like it was held under a fire so I never got back in.
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>>53337078
>>53337091
H makes a good point, though. I'd be pissed if I dropped $1800 on an army, then got called out at a games-workshop for having obviously fake shit.

Anyway, I've found that SoB make for the best searches because you have people starting bids at $25 for single models that are still in the GW store

>>53337109
GW does, but NOTHING in the SoB lineup is Resin/Finecast. It's all metal
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>>53337109
Yeah, they do.
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>>53337078
Yes, I also enjoy my work as a parking inspector an dI spend my free time trawling Scribd for copyright infringements.
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>>53336925
This is still my favourite ebay thing.
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>>53337125
Did they at least get better at it?
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>>53337094
Gathering Storm XXVIII
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Reminder that Captain Darius of the Dark Angels is the worst Space Marine that has ever existed
He is so shit that his own Chapter would rather spill the beans about the Fallen to a random stranger than let this guy command a squad ever again
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>>53337131
New stuff is plastic and its amazing
See these new nurgle sculpts
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>>53337119
If you are retarded enough to blow 1800 on some toys without actually checking that it's legit first then you deserve to lose that money.
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>>53337119
>>53337125
As of late they're transitioning everything from resin to plastic. But they still do make resin for older models.
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>>53337094
Man that looks fucking lame as hell. I like the EC before the heresy and I think they had an interesting flaw. But god damn if all that potential isnt thrown away between Fulgrim sword and their shitty aesthetic after the heresy.
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>>53337162
Not for Sisters of Battle
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>>53337165
Careful, you'll trigger the /d/tards.
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>>53337104
>astartes get a few inches taller
>it's basically soft destruction of the 40k universe

Marinefags everyone.
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>>53336879
it just means the shots that successfully inflict a wound are the ones not blocked by cover.
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>>53337169
I could count the number of people on this planet that give a shit about SoB with my fingers.
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>>53337175
I guess if I had blown thousands of dollars on marinelets then I would be pissed too. Fortunately I'm smart enough to not collect muhreens.
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>>53337128
it's glorious. I don't know what it is, but it's glorious.

Sometimes you find beautiful shit like this. It's a custom diorama cast that disassembles like HH characters.
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>>53337175
>"space marines are the most powerful human warriors, look at all this stuff they did for 10k years"
>"jk those faggots are all gone now and none of that history matter, this new army is what it's all about now. the army you are fielding is worthless and doesn't exist."
>those chapters masters, those unique characters, non-primaris terminators, yeah fuck all those guys they're done
>PS you have to buy new models to play your space marine force lmao go fuk urself

totally not cancer
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>>53337187
Somebody call the inquisitor, I've spotted a mutant with thousands of fingers.
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>marinefags are so spoiled they get angry when they get new models to collect
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>>53337208
It looks mostly nice but that CSM helmet looks fucking terrible.
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>>53337187
I guess that's possible, you DO sound thoroughly inbred.

How fast can you type with all those sausages?
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>>53337109
The resin models are all ancient pewter sculpts that got switched over because Chinamen were inflating the price of metals. They're called "Finecast" anc they are universally garbage. All new releases are plastic and have been for some time.
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>>53337131
They stopped making new stuff using resin, now everything new is plastic.

Quality of the older resin stuff is still very poor, the shit's still covered in flash and thin bits tend to be warped more often than not, and even sometimes you'll get bubbles and bits melted together into a big lump.
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>>53337218
>literally everyone gets angry when their army gets squatted

fixed
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>>53337224
When?
The boss bolter bitch was resin.
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>>53337221
>WAH WAH MUH PRECIOUS SPACE VAGINAS
Your salt is palpably delicious
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>>53337187
I'm aware. However, we WERE talking about an $1850 resin sisters army on ebay, so I was just making that point clear.

>>53337219
That's because the upper part of the CSM is actually white metal apparently. Also, the Sister has a helmet option.
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>>53337232
You got a fucking straight up model improvement that will likely result in a whole new line. Your old models are still legal to use. Meanwhile other armies are stuck a decade or more in the past.

Fucking marine players I swear to god.
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>>53337219

I lied. The head is resin, so you can actually replace it. That's nice.
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>>53337254
This
Fuck off marinefags
You have literally no reason to be mad
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>>53337214
Sorry, I sympathize with your plight I just had the urge to shitpost. Would you have been happier if the primarines and primenoughts were just newer marks made by Cawl with the same marine lore? Like if they just sort of hand waved the height increase away?
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>>53337256
Jesus, that's some megablocks level shit.
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>>53337233
I have no idea what that was about. I think it's because it was a limited edition until they saw how it was selling.
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>>53337254
>Your old models are still legal to use.

This is the crux of the issue. My complaints are only valid IF it comes to pass that numarines do eventually replace old marines. I am of the opinion that the prognosis is not good for old marines. IF new kits and rules are released over the next few editions for non-primaris marines, then fine, primaris marines are no big deal.

But I don't believe "hurr u can still use normal astartes in 40k t. GW" is going to last very long. Normal space marines could end up like Empire in fantasy. If "you can still use your marines in 8th but no new kits and they will be gone in 9th" is the reality, then yeah I'm mad because my army is squatted. Numarines are not my army, my army is space marines that I already spent money on that I don't want to throw in the trash and I would prefer to keep buying more models for that faction and I would like to keep fielding those models in the game.
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>>53337297
Freeguilders aren't getting squatted, Anon.
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>>53337272

Eh, I still like it. If wasn't so engrossed in other shit, I'd actually give it a shot.


Jesus fuck. You can go to GW's site right now and order a full squad of Repentia with MIstress for $60, and this dude is trying to sell them without a mistress for $75. Oh lawd. There's another selling the complete squad for $80. Oh, then there's the classing $95 Immolator.

>mfw thicc
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>>53337297
You sound like that retard who burned his fantasy army when AoS was announced
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>>53337270
I would be happy if they just released a truescale marine kit and it made all my old models midgets. I'm not going to get mad about things improving. But I at least want the possibility to field my old models*, and I want them to be supported by having the same rules as the new models. And I don't want the fluff to be this stupid new bullshit that makes no sense and invalidates a lot of 40k history.

>it wouldn't invalidate the history butthurt marinefag

It would, reason: when the old astartes, terminators, etc. no longer appear on the table and are no longer relevant to new lore, you could say all that shit doesn't matter anymore. It's basically a rewrite into New 40k.

*once again, I know GW says you can still use midget marines. what GW says and reality are different things, numarines could very well signal no more rules or new models for midget marines and come 9th, possibly even no more support.
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>>53337329
I honestly think if they squatted the marine line, even in 5 years, it would kill the company.
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>>53337297
>"Bawwwww I want to use all rogue trader era marines forever"
kys
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>>53337329
>I would be happy if they just released a truescale marine kit and it made all my old models midgets.
If what you're dreading comes to pass, and in 9E Primaris are the only marines, won't that be the very situation? Just say that your 5'11" Astartes are Primaris.
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>>53337297
>he unironically thinks he won't be able to use his old marines in 8e
Kill myself dude, you're retarded.
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>>53337369
>Kill myself dude, you're retarded.

Anon, you okay over there?
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>>53337345
not my argument

you can use rogue trader marines right now (provided you make them WYSIWYG which might mean replacing some old weapons) so I'm fine with my marines being rogue trader tier. what I don't want is my marines to be squatted and for numarines to inherent the mantle of space marine, because I don't want to play fucking primaris marines, I want to play space marines.

here's an example: let's say you play tau. you have fire warriors, kroot, riptide, whatever. now GW releases new Ultra-Tau, and all your old tau models don't have rules because they aren't Ultra-Tau. r u mad faggot? now you have to buy new models, and your lore got raped. this is potentially what is happening to space marines if they don't get new kits or updates and get completely squatted by 9th edition.
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>>53337297
Old broadsides, stealth suits and crisis suits are all still legal. Calm your manboobs, you spoiled little shit.
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>>53337385
I would just run my Tau as ultra-Tau.
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>>53337361
primaris have different loadouts and base sizes so it might not be reasonable to field normal marines as primaris. and there is issue of line of sight, cover advantage, etc.

at least with rogue trader marines that exist now, you can argue that they're the same unit so you should be allowed to take them. using old marines as proxies is a sticky situation.
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>>53337369
>Kill myself dude
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>>53337404
they're legal for now. they might not get new rules or kits. they might not be legal in 9th. that is the worry.

>>53337405
until your opponent bitches because they're the wrong size and have the wrong wargear
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>>53337369
didn't say that. I said I'm worried about no new rules or kits, and possibly not being able to use them in 9th. a phasing out.
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>>53337406
I suppose. We don't even know how widespread Primarines will be yet. Let's just wait and see how things go. As far as things stand right now you just got a bunch of neat new units.
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>>53337416
Dude what if GW dies? Then all of our plastic crack will be worthless. That's the worry.
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>>53337297
Your old marines will always be usable. 40k will never not have rules for some form of marine.
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>>53335556

Litterally what the Taurox is.
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>>53337451
>Dude what if GW dies?
Then we can all know peace from this evil.
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>>53337452
see
>>53337416
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>>53335556
Loot back those buggies from orkz
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>>53337467
>Loot back those buggies from orkz

Really?
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>>53337329
>*once again, I know GW says you can still use midget marines. what GW says and reality are different things, numarines could very well signal no more rules or new models for midget marines and come 9th, possibly even no more support.

The marine situation is the exact same situation as WHFB/AoS. The old models are technically "supported" by new rules, but that's it for them. Bigmarines/Sigmarines are the "heroes" now.
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>>53337463
it'll be a bloody civil war with successors
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>>53337451
>>53337463

GW will never die. Evil never dies.
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>>53337483
The leaker from months ago who called everything perfectly also described the primarine/marine relationship being similar to the current marine/guard relationship so you're probably right.
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>>53331973
Also
>split fire on everything
>you can leave close combat, at the cost of not shooting
>pistols and possibly grenades can shoot in close combat
>probably no bonus attack for charging or having a pistol
>bonus attack with chainsword
>no initiative
>chargers fight first, then everyone takes it in turns by unit
>cumbersome weapons are now -1 to hit
>WS is a fixed roll to hit, e.g. 3+
>BS is now expressed the same way
>S vs. T is different
>Don't need a 6 until T is double S
>Don't get 2+ until S is double T
>New force org charts
>All universal, no faction specific detachments, formations, etc.
>Depending on what chart you use, get some command points
>Command points are spent for stratagems
>There are generic stratagems and faction specific ones
>Examples are re-roll one dice for 1 CP or auto-pass morale test for 2 CP
>Defender allocates casualties within a unit, so special weapons and unit leaders are safe
>'Three ways to play'
>Detailed points and simplified points ('power')
>Simplified points are like AoS; include all upgrades in the cost
>Very few universal special rules, mostly in the form of unit keywords
>Only known one is FLY, which allows retreat from combat with no penalty and presumably other stuff
>Unit types are now keywords, only relevant for things that effect them specifically
>Example is only INFANTRY can use some terrain as cover
>Also faction keywords, which affect which stratagems you get
>Unit / weapon special rules are called abilities
>Mostly spelled out on the datasheet
>Often slightly different depending on the unit, usually has a unique name
>Deep strike is now a unit special rule
>No scatter, usually just place unit more than 9" from enemy
>Example given happens at the end of the movement phase, so no chance to move after arrival, but can shoot and charge
>charge is still 2d6
>Known phases are psychic, movement, shooting, charge, fight and morale
>running is now called 'advance' and happens in the movement phase, all units do it
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What exactly is GWs plan with this whole Dark Imperium lark?
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>>53337509
>you can leave close combat, at the cost of no other actions that turn at all.
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>>53337522
It's the squatting/retcon zone. Anything in there is potential target of being casually zapped by chaos and never be heard again.
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>>53337522
#ASK GW
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>>53337522
a new GC
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>>53337522
To collect as many shekels as possible, per usual.
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>>53337464
They'll always be armed with some form of bolter.

Size won't be an issue, complaining about old minis size is the height of douchbaggery and no group tolerates it.
A marine is a marine and you'll never need to replace your minis.
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>>53337522
If they didn't fuck up the galaxy things would be looking too noblebright instead of nobledark.
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>>53337556
the issue is that space marines are not primaris space marines. it's not a simple matter of old model size, it's a proxy. when you proxy, things become more contentious.

plus loadouts might become an issue. numarines might not be able to field the stuff you already have (which isn't automatically bad because whatever I don't mind replacing loadouts as things change) and let's say there's a new super power fist that looks good on numarines, but looks absurd on squat marines. so if you convert a suitable size one, it's still a proxy. if you take the normal one, it looks goofy and you're taking it on a unit that doesn't exist anymore because space marines are not primaris space marines.

but w/e, I'm going to stop arguing about this and just hope that my pessimism is unfounded and that primaris really are just a new unit type that won't completely replace normal marines by 9th edition.
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>tfw I have the correct Lascannons incoming just in time for 8th edition

I already have enough autocannons for 2 squads of Havoks, now I'll have Lascannons, AND I behave enough Calth Missiles for a squad of them, too. I don't think Night Lords are supposed to have this much firepower.
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>>53337522
Its the "we can explain any changes we want because of warp fuckery zone"
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>>53337621
Thats not proxying. Its like using loyalist marine minis in a choas marine army, they're different kinds of marines. But still marines. Weapons is the same, a suitable looking conversion is never not ok.

This is counts as, like using empire infantry for fuedal world guard. Or some orruks for feral orks. Always ok.
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>>53337419
That's a super interesting chart.
Cheers.
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>>53337632
Nothing causes terror as effectively as a hail of bullets.
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>>53337676
weapons aren't the same. bolt rifles are bigger than bolters and have a different profile. and the marines aren't the same size. they are different units and not even analogous units.

it's like using tacticals for terminators because they both wear a type of powered armor and have bolt-based weapons and look sorta the same if you squint.
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Full death guard pics fucking when
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>>53335770
Your reading sucks
It was mainly one high lord - the fabricator general
The three looks to be 3 conspirators - so fabricator /an inquisition high up? / ?
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>>53337798
They're close enough to the same size, the boltrifles profile is the same as biltgun with kraken rounds.

This is the most straight forward counts as, no one will have problems with it. Half the time they probably won't even notice until you tell them.
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What about Imperium Assunder and TG heresy? Both project are dead?
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Sister btfo once and for all
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>>53337933
How is that a BTFO, its gw saying they're still in and info is on its way.
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>fearful cucks are scared that Chadmarines will replace their manlets even though they're a separate unit and it would be the same as terminators replacing them

Are you afraid of going to the store for fear of getting hit by a satellite, too?
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>>53337933
I don't understand what makes you think that.
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>>53337419
Next time, don't make it autoscale so you don't have to trace across to compare
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>>53337933
You might want to work on your english there, Karl.
That just confirms support for sisters you moron.
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>>53337946
>>53337951
>>53337957
not that guy but they make a point of mentioning rules but . . . no new models or even plastic
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>>53337933
Anon, just..
sigh.
Alright, hand over your 4chan pass and gun, you're off the force.
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>>53337946
>How is that a BTFO
>>53337951
>I don't understand what makes you think that.
>>53337957
>That just confirms support for sisters you moron.


>Sisterfags asks about models
>GW replies with no worries you'll get rules!
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>>53337933
how will sister cucks ever recover
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>>53337965
Yes I'm sure GW handles announcing new miniature releases this way, through facebook comments and not some bigger announcement on their site or elsewhere.
>>53337965
>>53337976
Also, I'm not a 100% convinced you're not the same guy just trying to save face.
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>>53337965
>>53337975

They aren't allowed to mention anything not announced yet.
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>>53337975
Well of course they're not going to reveal anything before the announcement.
They said much the ssme thing abiut numarines back when they we're still rumour.
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>>53337975
>>53337965
Confirmation by omission is tumblr tier.
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>>53337979
>Kraut fucks up trying to be le ebin troell
>tries to salvage the situation by samefagging "ebikk XXDD BTFFOOO" replies by himself
10/10
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>>53337978
>>53337979
>w-we could still get models
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>>53337995
yes, stutter posting will make us ignore your impotence.
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>>53337979
>>53337984
>>53337986
They could have given a cheeky hint, or even something non-comital but they just went straight to rules, which literally every army is getting
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>>53338037
I think even GW's realised SoB's are tired of cheeky hints by now.
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>>53337969
You can't do this chief. I'm the best goddamn shitposter on this board and you know it.
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>>53338052
You're a loose cannon anon! With no respect for proper bants!
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>>53337979
>they mention new rules that they haven't announced yet
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>>53338091
They already announced everyone is getting new rules.

That was like day 1.
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>>53333437
>instantly use broadsides as an example of what to charge
show me on the doll where the greater good touched you
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>>53335798
>>53335873
>T'au
>less advanced than the imperium
fundamentally incorrect

sure, the taunar is smaller, and they dont delve far into biotechnology, but otherwise they are far and away objectively more advanced than the imperium. big/more stuff =/= advanced stuff
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>>53338175
>don't have FTL
>more advanced than the imperium
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>>53338175
Yet power armor is better than battlesuits of fire warriors and bolt rifles are better than pulse rifles.
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>>53336782
>>53336795
>why yes I do play Drukhari
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>>53338184
cherry picking
>>53338189
>battlesuits of fire warriors
>what
anyway, power armor is minimally better than battlesuits yes, but just because it can take more damage doesnt mean its "more advanced."
tau technology is more advanced than imperium tech, but that doesnt make it inherently better. something could blast through a tau shield generator that might not even pierce a marine's armor, but it still remains that shield technology is more advanced than armor plating.
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>>53338184
tau have FTL but it's nowhere near as fast as the warp

if they didn't have FTL then each journey would take decades
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>>53338220
>be Taufag
>muh advanced technology
>muh drones, muh battlesuits, muh shield generators
>meanwhile, Imperium: Doesn't use AI cause its dangerous as FUCK (corrutable by chaos), Space marine power armor is advanced as FUCK (integrated into the nervous system of the user, can be worn for months of continued combat without failure, etc...), also, FUCKING Geller fields and void shields
> not even getting into anything the admech has been keeping locked up in their basement

See, this is why tau players are really unpopular. Not only are they usually waacfags, but even when you try to talk fluff they go on about their supposed "superiority". The Tau player at my shop is cool, cause he loves the idea that the tau are a bunch of idealistic little pricks who don't even know what the fuck is going on outside of their little comfort zone in the damocles gulf.

Fuckin' Tau.
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>>53338310
>new lore mentions multiple times that t'au has superior tech to IoM
>this is why t'au players are unpopuler, they read stuff, instead of just power wanking to marines
Sure thing buddy, have you gathered enough coins to preorder those primaris marines?
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>>53338310
>be Imperiumfag
>muh emperor
>muh guardsmen, muh marines, muh titans
>meanwhile, Tau: Doesn't use Warp Transit cause its dangerous as FUCK (corruptible by chaos), Tau battlesuits are advanced as FUCK (integrated into the nervous system of the user, can be worn for the mere hours of continued combat that tau need in order to win without failure, etc...), also, FUCKING Jet Packs and Shield Generators
> not even getting into anything the earth caste has been keeping locked up in their basement

See, this is why Space Marine players are really unpopular. Not only are they usually waacfags, but even when you try to talk fluff they go on about their supposed "superiority". The Space Marine player at my shop is cool, cause he loves the idea that the imperium is a bunch of idealistic little pricks who don't even know what the fuck is going on outside of their little comfort zone in the Segmentum Solar

Fuckin' Imperium.
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>>53333345
Joined
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>>53338310
I think part of it is the the technological state of the Imperium is so schitzophrenic that it's impossible to male a direct comparison.

Like in one part of the imperium if you want to move bulk freight around you use what is essentially an upscaled land speeder floating on an anti grav field. Whereas elsewhere you're pretty much restricted to using masses of slaves. And that quite possibly both are the case in different parts of the same world
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what does it mean when they say legion of the damned have lost their sanity? they seem like a nice bunch compared to "sane" chaos marines
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So I haven't played since sixth edition when my Nid assault army became a nuisance at best and laughable at worst.

How're melee nids looking? I heard something about deep striking Trygons but otherwise I have no idea what's going on.
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>>53338479
gw hasn't told us shit fuck off
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So you think there'll be a timeskip between gathering storm and 8th?
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>>53338523
Either that or the great rift speeds up natural time.
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>>53338523

No. Every tau player's army would be dead with a time skip.
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>>53338310
Put it this way: The Tau can just crank out their most advanced shit en mass, without problems. All the Imperium tech that's more advanced than the Tau tech is usually in the form of irreplaceable DAoT relics. The Imperium can build Titans, sure, but only with a few centuries and materials sourced from hundreds of worlds. The Tau crank out titan-killing flyers at very little material cost, and in almost no time at all.
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>>53338547
>materials sourced from hundreds of worlds

citation required
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put it this way: imperium fights 0,1% of its battles against tau
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>>53338357
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>>53338523
no because then the nids would nom everything, the universe is kept alive by them being frozen in time.
who the fuck am I kidding, we job more than the avatar of khaine at this point
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Could someone please explain how AP is gonna work in 8th
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>>53338585
why don't solar winds push tyranids out of the galaxy?
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>>53338585
>because then the nids would nom everything

Please don't even joke like that. GW already blew the fuck out of you nidfriends with 8th but I was dismayed to see some nidfriends still arguing about the true threat of the universe the other day (they also stated that they were not nidfriends but that was an obvious lie)
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>>53338601
the AP value on weapons is a modifier (-1, -2, etc.) that subtracts from the targets armor save. so, against 3+ armor, ap -1 would make it a 4+ save.

simple
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>>53338605
why would they?
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>>53338609
>didn't read the spoiler
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>>53337632
I know what you mean. Havocs are just fucking rad. They have allways been versatile and customisable, but the incoming heavy weapon buff will make them amazing
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>>53338627
i wonder if obliterators get moar dakka to compete
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>>53338547
Thing is, "en masse" is a bit of a misnomer. Their best shit is more easily produced per unit than the Imperium's best shit, sure. But they still have way less of it, because they don't have the manpower and industrial base to churn out huge quantities of mid-tier stuff that's still entirely expendable, like your average Admech contingent with a few million Kataphrons. The Tau in Kauyon had 47 Manta dropships, for their entire invasion fleet. That's about as many fighters as the Imperium carries in one cruiser, and even trading something like three to one they can't sustain that attrition rate when the Imperials put in orders for another four hundred fighters and call it small change. They have the edge logistically when fighting with Titan-class threats, but they sure as hell can't win a slugfest at the regimental level, even with slightly better tanks.
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>>53338627
>Nids will no longer be butt fucked by only have ap 4
>tyrannofex cannon will actually be useful for blasting both terminators AND land raiders.

great things are coming
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>>53334784
Too late faggot, sales figures are in, should have had you and all your other other NPC race fans buy up alot earlier.
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>>53338650
it all really just goes back to the fact that its quality vs quantity, and its a LOT of quantity. the imperium is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than the tau empire, and have more manpower and worlds to build stuff.

in short, tau technology > imperium tech, but imperium numbers and warmachine > tau numbers and warmachine
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>>53338650
tau also can't lose any territory or their productivity decreases
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>>53338641
They already get buffed if the changes to twin linked are applied. 4 loads of plasma directly after deep striking will hurt a lot of things. But they will get more wounds aswell I guess. Their low model count makes moral nerarly irrelevant. They should do good.
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>>53338641
Well isn't nearly all their shit twin-linked?
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>>53338614
Thanks anon

Also anyone have the weapon strength target toughness modifier table?
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>>53338725
Only the special weapon triumvirate.
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>>53338715
>>53338725
oh are ac, m-m, lc and pc t-l too?
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>>53338740
there's no table
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>>53338740
yeah. you should really check the community site more, theyre putting out teasers like every day
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>>53338669
Post the tusken raider one.
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>>53338778
don't have it
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>>53338685
True. And sometimes they lose on quality too, like when the damned cogboys blew half their defensive line open and then fucked off with an armload of tech. Also sometimes the Mech do innovate, and that produces stuff like Ordinatii, which the Tau pretty much cannot match at all. So baseline Imperium < Tau standard < Imperium high quality (Space Marines, Knights, smaller Titans) < Tau superrare gear (Tau'nar pretty much, enough Stormsurges or Riptides) < Imperial's Fuck You cards (Ordinatii, Imperator Titans, the Ordo Reductor, just having a truly massive fleet)

And then you have stuff like Psykers which are just so completely outside their sphere of thought it drove a Tau ambassador to a breakdown upon learning how the Warp works in Fire Caste.

And the Admech's line troops, who can at least match the Tau in tech and still outnumber them, but often are working at odds to the Imperials. They're a wild card.

>>53338699
And that. The Tau have taken what, two planets of importance in the books so far? One Forge World, one Hive World and a bunch of scrubby backwaters. If they start losing Septs for any reason they lose whole percentage points off their total resources.
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>>53338747
Nah
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>>53338790
>it drove a Tau ambassador to a breakdown upon learning how the Warp works in Fire Caste.
elaborate, sounds interesting
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>>53338790
god knows whats going to happen in fires of cyraxus
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>>53338358
Need moar people
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I've been holding up on starting a Skitarii army for some time, but damn I might go for it with 8th.
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>>53333333
That's alot of 3s
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>>53332758
I reaaally don't know anything about British taxes, does pulling most of potential profits in one year has some benefits?
Or would they be doing this only because the numbers will probably look like 2017/18 was great success of a company on a rise?
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>>53338875
It's also completely irrelevant to 40kg.
If you want to dubhunt gb2/b/
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>>53338875
>>>/b/
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>>53338486
Stay classy anon
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>>53337385
>I want to play space marines.

Then play space marines, everyone is echo chambering that OH NO! MARINES BEING SQUATTED! When every GW person ive talked to it about, being Store managers, FAQ people, and even Abe and other big deal people themselves saying that its literally just different kinds of Space Marines. And that the idea of "Whole Chapters of Primaris" was literally just a means to give people who want to play ONLY them the excuse to do so.
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Based on the way people talk, the 8th ed is out?
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>>53338805
The Imperial ambassador brings a psyker with him, who explains the concept of the warp and why there are purity seals and rituals everywhere.
He learns how people can fuck with the universe through sheer force of will and that those crazy gue'la throwing lightning about isn't just some insane weapon system, and then realizes that that means that the Tau's scientific method and innovation is totally fucked, because they can't really analyse something that's entirely subjective by nature. Hence, gibbering nervous breakdown when the entire underpinnings of his worldview just get yanked out from under him.
Odd, since the Admech have managed to dispel the Warp in places with their Reality Cages, and it's controllable, but the Tau never grasped that when they start ranting about a place where reason has no meaning they were actually RIGHT.

>>53338817

I think it'll probably be cool, but also do the usual thing and completely disregard logistics. GW and FW have never really grasped the concept of numbers that big, and a Forge World is entirely populated by workers who can be mindcontrolled to fight fearlessly. Billions of cannon fodder backed by millions of tanks and weapons platforms, plus soldiers designed explicitly to fight in that kind of environment and coordinated by minds akin to Yuuzhan Vong Yammosks. Tau are going to have to pull some pretty extensive tricks out their asses for that to be more than a probing attack, so I'm expecting a serious raid that forces the Admech to pull out some stops followed by them being forced off the planet when the Heresy automata and cybertheurgy catch them off guard. I can see the Ordinatii being fun, too. They can take volcano cannon shots and laugh, I want to see them trying to bring down an Ulator with Railguns.
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>>53338959
Not yet, we're just slowly getting a clearer picture as GW teases stuff.
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They've thus far buffed Dreadnaughts, alot. So it's reasonable to assume Kans and Deffs will be much more durable as well. But this is all assumptions
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>>53333443
>just getting into 40k and buying a Knight
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Two ideas I have for the new Primaris as a Chaos player.

I can use them to make fuckhuge rubrics as body guards for the sorcerer because I think it'd look cool.

Use them as Fabulous Bills Enhanced marines, if they're still a thing in 8th
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>>53339013
>I can use them to make fuckhuge rubrics
we're already getting bigger rubric marines though, why not just use them?
>Use them as Fabulous Bills Enhanced marines
that's a good idea
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>>53336879
Huh?
they both get the same +1 save. The terminator still benefited. It's just his armor was so good he did not notice until the plasma gun fired and he was still standing there.
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>>53338310
Are you seriously harping about Space Marines lore? you are the faggot.

I'll give you that WAACfags need to go, though
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>>53338605
For the same reasons currents don't stop salmons to go up a river
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>>53339013
Or use them to make chosen so the look like the veterans of millenia instead of generic csm.
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>>53339062
Ooooh, "Rubric" Chosen.

SOLD!

Thanks anon
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>>53339013
I seriously hope chaos releases don't just copy the primarines

I want to see lanklets emperor childrens and smaller but way beefier zerkers

how big is kharn compared to ahriman and the rubrics anyway?
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>>53338669
This is better than any teaser GW has given us thus far
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>>53335759
outside of WAACfaggots people hate on Tau far more than they should. It's infuriating
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>>53338641
fingers crossed mutis become terrifying
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>>53339126
It's because Tau should have never been introduced into the setting.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/20/new-warhammer-40000-stronghold-assault-may20gw-homepage-post-4/
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>>53339035
No, an unarmoured man behind cover has a 1/6 chance of the wall deflecting the bullet away before it hits him.

That same wall provides zero extra protection against the very same bullet when a terminator is taking cover. There is no chance that the bullet deflects off the wall like it did with the unarmoured man.

Walls refuse to deflect bullets for terminators.
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>>53338652
>>53338669
Why are gooks so fucking disgusting?
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>>53339126
It's because Tau curbstomp low-tier players and armies.
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>>53339087
They said the Chaos Gods were busy while Cawl was doing his thing. I wonder if that means the bigger, beefed up, Chaos marines will be blessed by a certain chaos god and each one will have a unique special rule that makes them even more flavorful to that god. Like they are infused with daemonic energy of Nurgle and get the ability to shrug off even mortal wounds.

Khornes version get super strength on the charge (like 6's to wound become mortal wounds)

And something Sorcerery to big T

And Slaanesh Marines get to interrupt the flow of combat like Daemonetts?
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>>53339126
Maybe it's because your army has a fugly aesthetic, has a retarded lore and doesn't fit in the setting.
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>>53339144
So the least interesting part of warhammmer 40k makes it's appearance.
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>>53339155
It does not provide zero protection. It adds to armor vs AP weapons. Stop spreading disinformation.
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>>53339144
Not really much of interest today, but tomorrow they'll talk about transports, which may finally tell us if you can always assault out of a transport or not
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>>53339144
wow its nothing!
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>>53339140
You don't mean that whole Grimdark shtick do you?

>>53339159
Yes but I'm talking about normal people who play Tau and enjoy friendly competitive games, not WAACfags. I have played tau since 4th and I never build exceptionally strong or cheesy lists and I still get tons of hate just for playing Tau. This bullshit fucking started in 6th
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>>53339126
I won't stop hating the Tau until they finally get destroyed like the small but obnoxiously loud fish in a shark tank they are.
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>>53339170
Everyone in this game has retarded lore, are you serious?
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>>53339126
Tau deserve way more hate than they currently get actually.
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>>53339188
It must be just you, then. You are mistaking people's disgust towards you as disgust towards Tau.
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>>53339178
Against 0 AP bullets it provides zero protection (even though it stopped those same bullets for the other guy)
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>>53339202
>tautard missed the part where his shitty army looks like shit and doesn't fit in the setting
Go back to >>>/toy/ already, you practically build gunpla by proxy.
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>>53339207
I repeat, this hatred didn't start until 6th edition. I used to easily go to a store and have a friendly PUG with anyone and any army. Now it's "fucking tau" before I even have my army out that does not contain riptides or stormsurges and uses fucking vespid
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>>53338652
>tyrannofex cannon will actually be useful
yes pls

I nid dis
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>>53339232
Did you gain weight or stop showering since then?
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>>53339144
>Slain on a roll of 1, 2 or 3.
Well, that sounds brutal. Does that mean that if you torch a big fort with an army of Custodes in they die as easily as Guardsmen? If that's the same for vehicles it's going to massively discourage deathstars, even if it's only a 1/6 chance at all times. Might be a buff for aircraft, though, if you'd be losing people more than that from S9 AP2 all the time.
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>>53339232
And you deserve every bit of it, you fish faced fuck.
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>>53339239
>S 10
>AP -1
>D D3
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>>53339219
I'm actually an Ork player, but you gotta be kidding yourself if you think the lore is top notch in 40k.

Come on now, son
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>>53339232
Guess what, I've hated Tau since 5th because that's when they started bringing in a surge of mentally deficient players! Although based on how you're behaving it looks like the retards actually started coming in during 4th.
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>>53339188
Theory 1: Hating Tau says more about the You than the Tau

Statistically, most of us are average players. That’s how averages work. And then a bulk of us (and I would include myself in this category) are below average players. The Tau’s wheelhouse is being a middling-good army. That means lots of us are playing at or below the level where the Tau can be expected to do well, and relatively few of us reach the rarified air where we’re good enough that they’re no longer a threat.


Theory 2: The Tau are Unfun

There are mechanics in the Tau codex I’d define as “unfun” – things where really only one side of the battle is enjoying things, rolling dice, etc. The flexibility of the Tau in countering certain mechanics in the game (anything cover related, anything with a vulnerable rear armor value, etc.) can trigger a feeling of helplessness. And that’s not fun.

Because of the synergy in the Tau army and their weakness in melee, Tau success is very front-loaded. There’s lots of killing while the full army is up, marker lights are abundant, and units can support each other. So for the first few turns, the Tau roll dice, and their opponent removes units.

Then, if their opponent survives that, the tables start to turn. When the Tau crumble, in my experience, they start crumbling fast. Which means that un-funness switches. Tau are being removed in droves, and then the final tally ends up being much closer than it felt like earlier in the game. And while in a game sense this might be balanced, two or three turns of unfun on both sides doesn’t average out to a fun game.
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>>53339256
>ork player isn't able to read
The memes write themselves!
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>>53339263
Thank you for an actual response, and not just shit flinging like an autist
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>>53339272
bad b8 m8. lurk a bit more before trying again
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>>53339287
>m-muh autism!
>cried the taufag while trying to bury his fat folds in not-gundam models
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Where is this from? Or is it mew art?
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>>53339289
>BUH-BUH-BAIT!
It really is true, the army you play really does reflect your personality.
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>>53339294
>i'm a fat loser so everyone else must be
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>>53339308
>t. fat fuck who plays space commies
>b-but muh castes
>he cries while displaying 0 political knowledge
Go jerk off to Trotsky some more, aye?
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>>53339287
>not just shit flinging like an autist
I suspect that because I AM an autist, contrary to 4chan belief most autists do not find enjoyment in flinging vebal abuse and bait because frankly, your opinions and feelings don't matter, so there's no point in stirring shit up.
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>>53339298
Stronghold Assault maybe?
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>D3 shots
>S12
>Ap -3
>D d6




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