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>Last Thread
>>54831707
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>>54840605
You're looking at other women senpai?
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>>54840605
>Re-added the Bancho and Exhausted-run Discord.
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>>54840686
What's wrong with Exhausted anyway? Is he a jerk?
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>>54840686
Nobody cares.
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>>54840638
Alucard! That is you!
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What are some of the embarrasing ways you died in jumps anons (with or without 1 ups)
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>>54840699
He's the guy that started throwing a shit fit and harassing Red over not doing Black Crusade how he likes.
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>>54840699
Just the fanboys defending their worthless waifu. Ignore them.
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>>54840638
Breach, is that you? I love what you've done with your hair.
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>>54840699
I don't care about Discord either way but kinda. He made a big thing over how Red was doing powers in Black Crusade.
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>>54840730
>>54840761
Nobody cares.
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>>54840699
He's an asshole, but so are most of us. He just doesn't have anything that really makes up for him being an asshole. All he is is an asshole.
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What was your Quirk in My Hero Academia?
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>>54840787
t.Exhausted
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>>54840793
Plus he hangs out with Tera.

>>54840787
This is your laziest you've ever been.
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>>54840638
I hope we get a Yandere simulator jump eventually when its done.
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>>54840730
>>54840761
Timmy 2: Douchebag Boogaloo

>>54840787
Timmy, quick question. Number 1 or number 2?
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Okay, here's my Haroun and the Sea of Stories jump again. Please let me know what you think.
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How do I deal with the Saint of Killers drawback if Generic Western is my first jump?
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Please just ignore him guys

>>54840830
I've never read the book, but this is looking good so far
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>>54840804
I had Double, but my Hero persona using the Soru Soru no mi homie creation abilities.
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>>54840838
Outrun him. And never stop running.
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>>54840826
My current layout for the jump is that you can be a Drop-In (Bystander), Rival, Senpai, or Yandere as origins.
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>>54840845
Hopefully the summary in the Notes helps clarify things; I was trying to give enough detail without spoiling too many things.
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>>54840804
Trying to remember whether it was Fiber Master+Meatball or Fiber Body+Meatball that basically made you Carnage. I plan on going with whichever was that. But I'm also considering Bone Spear+Blood Manipulation 'cause I fucking love being an edgelord. But this is gonna be like, Jump 1~2 so going with an ability that's inherently dangerous to me might be a poor decision.
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whats the best way to fuck with orochimarus plan to kill the third?
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>>54840912
Kill the third yourself it will deny him revenge and there is no way to plan for it
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>>54840912
Be the third all along.
"You thought I was the Third Hokage, but it was I, DIO!"
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>>54840804
I still can't decide what to Marry Soundgarden to.
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>>54840912
Kill Orochimaru? Anyone who has read the manga knows where he'll be at several points in the timeline.
All you need is a sufficiently out of context ability to blindside him with.

Or if you want to be really sure get Conjoined Conjures (Card Captor Sakura) or I Cheat (Justice Leage Dark), get magic in Shadowrun and an instant death spell (killing curse from Harry Potter works, but even JLD magic should have something).

Then get a picture of him or something that once belonged to him and use Shadowrun Sympathetic Magic to kill him no matter where he is.
Since the Naruto setting has no magic there's no defense.
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>>54840830
I guess I'll repost this:
>Moreover, while you can understand these things, you can never explain them to anybody.

Shit, I'm getting flashbacks of Genius the Transgression here
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I need your thoughts if Samus Aran were imported into Overlord (The Series)what heteromorphic races would she be ok with living as.
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>>54838026
Actually, I still have a lot of material to read through.
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>>54840999
Samus doesn't seem to care about what happens to her body, as long as she can do justice.
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>>54840804
Quirk Marriage of Overhaul + Transfer.

The end result was - I lost the ability to teleport via materials. But I could take on their properties, and then while Overhauling people or objects, incorporate materials into them while their bits re-coalesced together.

>>54840999
Any of the more humanoid ones, probably. Angel would be a good one for her to pick.
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>>54840999
Obviously birdman reverse satan.
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>>54840993
Oh, sorry, I missed that; do you think I should cut that part out of the perk, then?
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>>54840999
Slime. No other race in Overlord can naturally change into the form of a ball.
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>>54840804
I went quirkless and created a magic system that only works for people born without quirks using Hero BBS. It wasn't overpowered, and it grew stronger through training and mental flexibility. There still weren't that many magic heroes, but it made the world a little more fair.

>>54840821
Tera has actual moments of creativity amid his insane ramblings and powergrabs. Exhausted is boring in his dickishness.

>>54840976
Headlights so that you can generate lasers using focusing lenses created with your voice? Which I guess you could also use to redirect the lasers. You might need to Empower it a bit, though.
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>>54841043
No no, the I can deal with the PTSD. I'll just tell everyone I'm doing magic and drop some smoke bombs before I escape
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>>54840999
Sell her into slavery to pay for the cost of Tuareninya Veyron
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>>54841059
Y'know, despite what the Jump says, the whole 80% figure is actually about the total population, and that according to All Might, the amount of people being born without Quirks is rapidly decreasing (it was uncommon in his day, it's very very rare in Deku's), meaning your magic system will magically stop working.
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Is anyone working on an updated jump list? The one on the drive is out of date.

To my knowledge, this is the latest one.

It was on the drive, but it disappeared for some reason.


There's still like 20 jumps that need to be added to this one, is anyone already working on it?
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>>54840999
Birdman obviously. She's part birb already.
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>>54841059
>Headlights
The thought occurred to me, but I was also considering Bottled Lightning (Sand generating static), Transfer (teleport through sand/glass and absorb it to avoid damage from sand), and Creation (can make sand and glass.)
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>>54840830
What's this story about?
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>>54841059
And Bancho does produce content for the thread instead of bitching, mostly keeps his grudges for himself and can start some "interesting" conversations about morality.
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>>54840874
>Senpai, or Yandere as origins.
Yes, I love it already.
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>>54841032
Angels are non canon though.
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>>54841103
I'm more than okay with that.
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what low power jumps offer immortality?
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>>54841198
Xena/Hercules: The Legendary Jumpchain
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>>54841149
It's a magical realism story that starts out in the "real" world in the "saddest city in the country of Alifbay" (so sad that no one even remembers the city's name). A famous storyteller has lost his will to tell stories, so his son travels to the Earth's invisible second moon of Kahani to get his dad's Story Water tap fixed. Only he's come at a bad time, as the evil Khattum-Shud is poisoning the moon's story water and needs to be stopped.

I added more details about the story in the Notes section at the end of the jump document.
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>Anon takes the Rogue Gallery drawback in Batman
>Anon goes to Yandere Simulator
>Anon gets a stalker chasing him through the multiverse
>mfw
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>>54841198
Chronicles of Narnia
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>>54841235
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>>54841294
D... daddy? Is that really you?!
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>>54841156
Bancho also isn't a worthless SBer. Same can't be said for Exhausted, nor the other Discord mods, for that matter.
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>>54840874

I hope we can import a Yandere if we pick the senpai origin
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>>54841158
>Rival option
Time to seduce yandere chan away from senpai. With the flawless logic of if I seduce her than she won't be after senpai or we can share senpai
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So a quick question to Heavens or Digger if they're on. Are the Ganbarizing and Legend Rider Gashats canon?
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>>54841235
I don't know why, but somehow, I always knew Nicolas Cage would be into Yanderes.
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>>54841107
So all these that are listed are already made? I'm new to this thread.
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>>54841355
You'll need some good perk backing, because Yandere-chan explicitly notes that she never felt anything until she found Senpai. Like actually nothing, no joy or sadness, hate or anger. Just an empty shell.

Apparently that even runs in the family. Her mom was the same way.
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>>54841414
Yup. Our autism is boundless.
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>>54841416
So you are telling me there isn't a senpai perk to bring emotions to a psychopath's life? Then mix with harem perks that disappate negative feelings or get that darkstalkers sustenance thing that lets me eat murderous urges
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>>54841424
Nice, I've only seen naruto and pokemon so far. I really liked both. Is there any way I could make a post request for some, or is there a place where I could view them all?
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>>54841477
There probably are, I'm just saying you'll definitely need those perks. Just having mad charisma might not be enough.
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>>54841509
They're all in the Google Drive. It's the first link in the OP.
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>>54841416
Gods, I'm choosing the Senpai origin
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>>54841416
Isn't there some lesbian running around trying to rape the yandere in more recent builds?
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>>54841527
Alright, Thanks.
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I know soul bonds are a shitty fanfiction trope, but is there anywhere in jumpchain one can pick up a soulbound companion? I'm not talking about cp fiat loyalty, mental compulsion, or "one true love", but a metaphysical connection or bond.

Picture probably unrelated.
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>>54841592
Have not heard of this. I have heard of a special gamemode where one of the characters tries to kill yandere chan to end a groundhog day loop
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>>54841617
Technically Soul Eater
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>>54841620
Something about some gangleader girl being after your yandere. I just remember it as her wanting to rape the yandere. I remember him getting tons of hate over it at the time.
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>>54841617
Generic Xianxia has an item that may count for what you are looking for. It's the pill.
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>>54841617
Generic Xianxia's got an item that could tie your soul to another person's, at least.
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>>54841617
exalted the solars and exalted the lunars
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>>54841661
Speaking of, what are some good perks for ethical rape? We have time-travel now, but that doesn't actually "reset" anything, and the "victim" is still traumatized.
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>>54841617
working on the world of cultivation update right now, adding in a thing for just that.

Paired Cultivation: 2 (FREE WITH LIFELINK SIDE EFFECT)
Your Cultivation can be linked to the cultivation of another binding your souls together closely, as long as either of you cultivate the other will receive the same results from doing so. Though paired cultivation is extremely rare the results can be staggering. This is limited to Cultivation between two people and often is permanent once the cultivation of the two is linked.

Lifelink: (Optional side effect for paired cultivation)
The life of the two people linked by your paired cultivation are invariably linked, should one of them die the other will die as well. No distance or walls can stop their fated end together.
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>>54841368

Probably not, if only because we've been trying to keep weird movie/crossover canonicity to a minimum
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Looking for perks to mitigate Golden Mind's (Overlord the series) divorced from Human condition effects. Can someone provide recommendations.
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NieR: Automata
By Valeria
Robnoxious- +100
Flesh against Steel- +100
Nothing Is As It Seems- +10
THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE, THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE- +300

Machine
basic +100
Mechanica: massive burrowing milliped bristling with turrets in every direction, a mobile one robot trench front-600 in case I have to win a war my damn self
Glittering Gold- 200 discount for basic. So that's hundreds of times more durable than "ignored everything they threw at him till he got a nuclear missile to the throat"
Deus Machina-600 need something combo admin access from Kidd radd and creativity from Code Lyoko with
Bag of Chips: anti-combo-200 can only be damaged once every six seconds

picture book free for machines

import: Monique and mother box -100

Monique
machine
humanoid
Mechanica- Free and Mandatory for all Machines
What Is Human free for humanoid
No Mere Machine-300
bag of chips. Free
picture book free for machine
the ARC -300

mother box
machine
terminal -300
Mechanica- Free and Mandatory for all Machines
A to B to C free for terminal
Deus Machina -300 discount for terminal
picture book free for machine

The plan:1. The machines are going crazy, have mother box , develop an antivirus/counter Trojan, and infect/cure the rest of the terminals putting us in charge 2. Stop the war 3. Loyal humans on my side , start showing up “mysteriously” returning from space and order the YoRHa to stand down 4. New age of peace and mutually beneficial cooperation begins for Earth
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>>54841787
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>>54841819
Oreigaru has some, I think.
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>>54841829
Do you ever use your hair for lewd purposes?
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>>54841846
I'm not going to answer That question, I may be a nudist but I have to leave something to the imagination.
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>>54841787
Rapestate go and stay go.
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>>54841787
>ethical rape
There is no such thing.
Get some damn seduction perks instead or, if you're the kind of sicko who needs it to be rape to get of see >>54841830
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>>54841811
Alright then. With that in mind could a person with the Game Maker IX (Neo-Heisei Part 3) and the Blessing of God (Neo-Heisei Part 4) manage to make their own form of the Ganbarizing and Legend Rider Gashats?
Levels 1-10/X of course as that's the limit of the Game Maker IX unless we manually upgrade it, as said by Heavens and you.
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>>54841831
Not a bad start but are there any stronger ones.
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>>54841894
>Using seduction perks is totally different from rape guys
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>>54841819
Kim Possible has Down to Earth.
Madoka Wraith Timeline also has one i think.
Heart of a Child and Preservation of Man from Chronicles of Narnia should also work.
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If you get the Kayguya bloodline for a companion, and you are in the Enduring Whirlpool scenario, do they need to get angst?
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>>54841617
Gargoyles and Anima I think.
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>>54841924
Yes, it is. If you can't understand that, please follow the advice given here >>54841830, as you are making the world a worse place just by existing
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>>54841924
Depends on the type, really. If they just give you knowledge, it really isn't. If it's mind control, yeah it is.
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>>54841924
I mean is taking someone out on dates rape? That is the logical extreme of what you are saying its not like you are directly affecting their mind to force them to comply nor is it unwilling.
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>>54841924
No shit there's a difference between making yourself more charming or attractive to someone and forcing yourself on them.

I'd be rather alarmed that you're apparently unable to see that difference, but this is jumpchain. I'm not even surprised anymore.

I don't know if you're serious or just shitposting, but in either case refer to >>54841830
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>>54841955
Kaguya has never needed angst.
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>>54840874
>Senpai origin

How come I never knew I needed this so badly??
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>>54840804
Quirk Marriage of Synesthesia+Snake Hair, with a boost from Empowered Quirk.

The empowering allows the Synesthesia side to work with other physical senses besides the basic five (and the snakes), and allows the Snake Hair side to be a full head of snake-hair in true Medusa-style instead of just having three snakes.

I've got a whole fucking lot of sensory input there. Especially considering I'm pretty sure my other sense boosts do apply to the snakes' senses.

>>54840999
Make her a birb of some sort. She was raised by them.

>>54841617
Any of the Exalted jumps that let you be a Lunar/Solaroid pair. So, that's Solars, Infernals, Lunars, and eventually Abyssals if that ever gets made.
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>>54842026
Duh! I'm sorry, I meant the Hunted: Kiri
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Is there a jump that can get you something like a group of Valkyries?
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>>54842015
>>54841976
>Samefagging to prove a point
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>>54842104
Can verify is not samefagging but if you want to be stubborn and ignorant of what many people are telling you that is your choice
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>>54842104
>claiming samefagging instead of providing an argument because you know your position is shit
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>>54840804
Season Planet. It's Season City with three purchases of Empowered Quirk.
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>>54842171
Those tabs are lukewarm, anon.
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>>54842171
>>54842158
>Replies one minute apart
>Using Firefox
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>>54842184
I'm sure you really relish it.
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>>54841787
Mila's Turnwheel from Fire Emblem - Valentia is great for this, especially when combined with something like Let's Give It a Boost from Unholy Heights. At base, it can "rewind" time up to thirty minutes, three times every five hours. But with that perk, you could make it something like 1 hour, six times every ~2 hours. If you wank items can be improved multiple times, you can push it even further. Basically Savestate 2.0.

No doubt the jumpmaker will add some inter-jump restrictions like "this item can't be improved or duplicated by anything ever, no matter what". Even if such restrictions are added, it's still pretty good for such purposes, so don't expect to see it in the next update. Get it while it's hot, as they say.
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>>54842204
(Poster from the second reply)

I am actually the 3rd replier. I am on my phone
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>>54842171

Fuck mate, for a moment I thought that was a screenshot of my screen.

Fucking weird.
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>>54842232
As long as you aren't using Firefox you are alright in my book
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>>54842238
>Strangely enticed by one boob forcing up another one
Sauce?
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>tfw you qualify for none of the scenarios except Danzo's Successor, and you hate ROOT to begin with.

There is no FUG reaction capable of containing my amount of FUG.
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>>54842272
Have this.
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>>54842206
>restrictions
>removal from the jump
Pls do it Nika. Nerfs make me hard.
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>>54842272
Be the Savior of the ROOT, anon. Take Danzo's evil... and reforge it into justice!
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>>54842291
It's beautiful. Thank you.
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>>54840804
Pirate Radio, a T3 Quirk made out a Quirk Marriage from Radio Star and Echo

Basically Radio Star lets me generate sound anywhere on the body, allowing Echo to be shot from anywhere.

Also most of the actual quirk improvements went into removing the ear popping pain of using Echo and buffing the notes made by Echo in general
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>>54842262

I'm a little high now. I don't really remember. But I think the artist is Taishi (太子), you can find him at pixiv.
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>>54842206
>>54842297
>samefagging to get a nifty item from a decent jump removed
Was this your plan all along? But knowing the jumpmaker, you've probably succeeded, so congratulations.
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>>54841924
Back to tumblr with you, SJW.
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>>54842323
Except the Danzo scenario involves the destruction of the other ninja villages and dominate the elemental nations.
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What song fits the state of the setting you left in your previous jump /jc/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyB1CNAsRjk
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>>54841924

I don't like you. Because you're stupid.
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Could someone post the Valkyrie Core jump? I can't see it on the drive.
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What was the jump that, upon completion, allowed you to return to it for six months after another jump?
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>>54842459
Slice of Life.
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>>54842450
What's Seibah doing there?
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>>54842459
Animal Crossing, Overlord, Slice of Life.
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>>54842459
Slice of Life, Animal Crossing, and Overlord (if you go 42nd) all have that as an option.
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>>54842406
All it says is that Konoha needs to be the only remaining great ninja village and dominant power in the Elemental Nations. While destroying the others would be easiest, aggressive cultural assimilation followed by actual assimilation should work. Vassalization (might not be thinking of the right term) after intense diplomancy should also be valid.
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>>54841787
We need a Re: Monster jump.
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>>54842468
>>54842492
Ah, yeah, it was Slice of Life I was thinking of. Thanks Anons!
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>>54842451
Its named Battle Action Harem
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>>54842509
>>54842406

Not only what that initial anon said, but. There's one problem with me becoming a member of ROOT.

My home village is Kumo.
Kinda difficult to be in the spec-ops of another village.
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So what are some items/locations I can let my inactive companions stay at like the Incredibles Island?

webm...maybe related
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How would I go about turning all the men of a setting into traps?
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Could someone help me understand what types of creatures the Ring of Being from Exalted Lunars work on post-jump?
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>>54842578
Anon no.
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>>54842366
>High

...Ricord? Something you'd like to share with the class?
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>>54842597
Beings not native to your starting "plane" in future jumps.
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>>54842524
Go ahead.
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>>54842559
...You could be a long-term spy for Danzo? Maybe?
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>>54842621
So aliens wouldn't necessarily count, but beings native to other dimensions would?
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>>54842629
I'm worse than mib-tier anon. You do not want me making jumps.
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>>54842608

Last case was with a drug dealer. I also got a weapon.

...somethings I ask myself where my morals went. Because they're not with me.
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>>54841897

Yep, if you have ganbarizing from the part 2 jump's dlc it'd also be good for that.
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Atlantis the lost empire?
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>>54842639
Pretty much, yes.
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>>54842660
No, we found it.
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>>54842661
Thanks.
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>>54842578
Well first make a virus, you would only really need the geneforge and resident evil jumps to do this, and probably only one of them. For the next step of getting them all to act and dress the part all I've got is that you likely want Piano Key Necktie from the Model jump to affect fashion trends, though I'm pretty sure there are more things out there to help I can't think of any.
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>>54842684
No prob.
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>>54841107
Infinate Stratos is on that list twice.
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>>54842718
It's a Val jump. It deserves to be.
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>>54842524
Generic Isekai is getting made, and has perks and stuff inspired by it.
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>>54842642
Go on, do it. What's the worst that can happen, eh?
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>>54842732
>sucking val's proverbial dick
We all know she's a great jumpmaker, anon. There's no need to go that far in your ass-kissing.
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>>54842718
So is the Gone jump.
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>>54842743
Anon could make a poor jump that neither he or other fans of the series likes but stops a better jump from being made? I think that is the worst.
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>>54842368
I'm not going to nerf it, don't worry.
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>>54842718
>>54842831
Yeah, there are a few that are on there twice- that's why I was wondering if anyone was working on an updated version.
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>>54842854
If he gave permission for a replacement jump right at the onset, then problem solved. We'd have something at least as a stop-gap at worst, and maybe anon underestimates his abilities to make jumps and we'll have a decent jump for Re:monster.
Win-win.
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>>54842888
Do emoji babies come from their own baby dimension?
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>>54842888
But then you can't be he held we deserve, nor the one we need right now.
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>>54842990
THEY DO NOT.
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>THEY DO NOT.

from where babies come, then?
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I'm about to embark on the Darkest Dungeon Gauntlet and I have to ask:

What exactly is The Red Hook offered at the end of the thousand year scenario?
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>>54843032
I do not have an answer for that question, and I do not want to have one! Do not ask me about that!
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>>54843055
But inquiring minds want to know.
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>>54843055
So they could come from some deeper emoji realm...
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>>54843042
It's a piece of the bindings that imprison the elder god beneath the estate, reforged into a weapon that's a joking reference to the name of the studio that made Darkest Dungeon. You have two options when using it. As a hand-held weapon it's incredibly sharp and can slice open portals to let a tiny portion of the Flesh to reach through into reality and attack targets. Set down as a stationary totem/shrine thing, it warps space and turns the surroundings into all sorts of eldritch geometry.
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>>54843055
>Do not ask me about that!

But I want to know!!!

Also, the dude who made the Oregaiu jump is around, I have a couple of questions for him/her/it
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>>54843086
Perhaps an entire realm dedicated only to raising such creatures.

A baby dimension if you will.
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If you're both raping each other, is it consensual?
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>>54843032
Emojis have sex.
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>>54843086
The Emoji Movie's worldbuilding is abysmal. I'll have to fill in the cracks myself in the jump if you're so curious, I guess, but are you okay with that?
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>>54843101
Is it worth the millennium of suffering I'll have to go through to get it?
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>>54843137
Probably not.
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>>54843102
Wassup, my waifu?
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>>54843133
>sex

Explain.
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>>54843055
Butt the answers to some questions are fatastic
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>>54843157
Eggplant.
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>>sex
>Explain.
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>>54843136
Yes.
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>>54843155

Fu! I missed you! But you're the waifu here.

Will you make a jump for Classroom of the Elite?
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>>54843219
okay, highlight for it you sick freaks

Emojis have a baby factory for them. They are small at first, but grow to become big. When an emoji is made, it is handed to a pair of similar emojis to raise it. Eggplant and water emojis work at the plant when not in use, and they get paid for it. This makes them slightly richer than the other emoji.

There is NO baby realm for them. I thought this up because I felt it fit the dystopia setting of the movie
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>>54843231
I'll leave that to you if you're interested, I'm busy typing Crash Bandicoot (which should be done when my next burst of motivation comes), Bane and The not!Witcher.
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>>54843102
>Oregaiu
Link? Or post it?
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>>54843267

Nah, I will release wip for BakaTest tomorrow.
After that I will finish Saekano.

>>54843280

Ask FU

>>54843280
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>>54843263
>plant
Lieing to cover up the baby dimension. For shame.
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Do we have any perks for making others innately understand just how ancient you are? It gets old having to rant about, "I was ancient beyond your comprehension when the first of your kind crawled forth from the muck." every time some uppity wizard or Time Lord starts acting too big for their britches.
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>>54843343
Just smack them around a little bit.
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>>54843160
I recognize that butt.
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>>54843127
Yup, I can confirm from personal experience mutual statutory rape, it was clumsy as you can imagine, but real fun
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>>54843267
Star force?
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>>54843280
Would link, but am on phone. It's OreGairu in the drive

>>54843359
*Wars, though the Force is prevalent
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>>54843359
I'm sorry, that wasn't funny. Mega man... I will probably get it done eventually, but feel free to do it in my stead because of my slow pokiness
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>>54843359
Manga Mang Stair Horse is never getting a jump, anon.
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>>54840912
Secretly give the Third jumper life extension treatments. Laugh as the Third dismisses the old man henge and gives Orochimaru a good beating in his newly restored youthful body.
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Think you're so smart, huh? What a butt this?

CAPTCHA: fap adig
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>>54841894
>There is no such thing.
How so?
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>>54843468
Wasn't the Third in his prime supposed to be close to the same tier as a Hashirama?
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>>54841894
>ethical rape
>There is no such thing.
Buy a few slaves. Ethically rape them all you want, property has no rights.
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>>54843352
Whose butt is it anyway?
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>>54842734
Actually really looking forward to that desu.
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>>54842734
I really want that jump. It is the only one so far with an accurate depiction of generic dungeons.
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>>54843537

Asia, from High Scholl DxD.
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>>54843468
Just hand the old man a Potion of Youth and a Dream Pod from the Sims. The Potion of Youth is fairly easy to farm and the Dream Pod is great for a solid nights rest as well as elevating someones skills whilst their asleep, load the Dream Pods program up with skills you can teach via Martix stuff and you've got a solid S-Class on your side.
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Do you guys want anything from the Emoji Movie jump, anyway?
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>>54843587
An acknowledgment that Emojis are a valid form of language
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>>54843587
a perk to screw with/make peoples life better through their technological devices.
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>>54843494
one of the most recognizable butts. step it up.
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>>54843513
Yes, now imagine him with an added fifty years of experience and the same or better body. And remember, that's compared to actually fighting Hashirama instead of being forced to fight through an elaborate seal array Hasirama.
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>>54843587

For it to be replaced with the pop eye jump and movie we should have gotten instead
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>>54843468
It's even better because now he has easy immortality while Orchimaru still only has his shitty version.
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>>54843587
I want it to disappear from reality.

Also this >>54843632
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>>54843587
The power to make any actor take on even the shittiest roles. Sometimes literally.
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>>54843632
RIP Popeye Movie.
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>>54843587
The ability to turn any electronic device into a digital landscape where the apps are people and places.

Adult emojis. You know the ones.
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>>54843632
>>54843647
>>54843679
Could have been a disappointment:
http://english.bouletcorp.com/2011/01/28/24-hours-popeye/
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>>54843587
The ability to make new emojis that are automatically added to any OS that uses them.
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>>54843679
>>54843647
>mfw

>>54843760
>making more emojis
>more
>emojis
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>>54843587
The ability to still keep your product popular and profitable even when it gets a 0% review score.

The ability to market an advertisement as a product and still have people buy it.
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> decide to watch the Emoji movie in preparation for the jump
> found a decent cam-recording online
> not like I expected HD quality this soon out -- besides, I feel like I need that barrier of suck to distance myself from what I'm watching
> That replacement of the statue of liberty's head with an emoji
> "Oh my god."
> the opening narration comes in
> I'm already trying to psych myself through it
> "Okay look. People watch movies they can't stand all the time."
> People do this ALL THE TIME."
> "YOU CAN DO THIS."
> Twenty minutes in
> "I CAN'T FUCKING DO THIS."

I DEMAND you put in a cynicism perk. Say it's based off the crazy happy/smiling emoji woman, I don't care, but I demand a perk that in some way allows me to perform, create, and/or handle the most cynically minded bullshit with a thinly veiled happy facade.

I want Emoji Movie: The Perk.
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>>54843587
The ability to abort an in-progress process without consequence even when that would normally be impossible.
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>>54843770
What, I want to be able to distribute Memetic Kills to everyone who uses emojis.
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>>54843587
The ability to infect other peoples technology with emojis.
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>>54843664
Why, oh why, Patrick Steward, did you have to do that? You were Captain Picard! and you...you're a poop emoji now.
>>54843760
>>54843699
I'll think about that for the scenario reward! I have a tricked out phone offered where any app you have becomes a world among others boons and you can enter it, and drop-ins have a 400 CP perk that lets them straight up enter any devices as long as it has a screen and memory and it has a similar effect on the places they go to.
>>54843805
Don't worry, that's the drop-in's 100 CP perk. It lets you shut off your emotions when dealing with something.
>>54843843
Emoji Citizen has something kinda like that for the capstone, except it gives you a second chance to make everything right as long as you're alive.
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>>54843897
Thanks for actually doing this.
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>>54843897
>pic
I'd lanc'er, if ya know what I mean
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>>54843587
is it a different world inside every cell phone or only one world connected to ours by cell phones?
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Any news on the Fate/GO jump?
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>>54840912
Become the Third's hat, do the entire chunin exams as a swarm of kagebunshin. Sasuke Uchiha and the Power of Lies was fucking surreal. Hat is Naruto. Window is Naruto. Potted plant is Naruto. Your sword is Naruto.
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what jumps would you like to see that haven't been claimed yet?
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>>54844077
Dragonriders of pern
Tmnt
Pokemons that we dont have
Grimm
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>>54844077
Seikon no Qwaser
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>>54844099
I want that to happen but know that it won't.
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>>54844077
Manyuu Hikenchou
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>>54844077
The Lazy King and Evil God Average. Mother of Learning as well, but it'd be the best to wait until it's finished.
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>>54844077
A few things from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m0fnuyJiPtpsYzGDQUNOP-UIm8f1RNd54eOJCFiUYKI/edit#gid=0 (specifically the wishlist tab)
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>>54841894
Is it any better if I swap my gender first?
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>>54844077
Lazy dungeon master
Janshin average
Kumo desu ga nani ka
Re monster
Man picked up by the gods
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>>54844077
Spawn
Battlechasers
Daily Life with Fel
Questionable Content
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>>54844077
Crysis. The only other jump I really want to see is lewd so it won't happen here.
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>>54844206
>Daily Life with Fel
That would be hilarious, the salt would be never ending.
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That depressing feeling you get when a setting you like has a jump you think is shit or halfassed.
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>>54844077
Advent Rising
Binary Domain
Eternal Senia
Gacha World
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>>54844077
Aaahh!!! Real Monsters
Addams Family
Archie Horror (Chilling Adventures of Sabrina/Afterlife With Archie)
Black Company
Chaos Legion
Cube (Might work best as a gauntlet?)
Dark Lord of Derkholm
Deltora (http://deltoraquest.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Books)
Dungeon Meshi (Generic Dungeon Crawl?)
Elric
Escaflowne
Eversion?
Zone of the Enders
Evil Dead
Generic College Movie Jump
Generic European Folklore (Spooky Woods edition.)
Generic Monster Trainer (WIP?)
Howl's Moving Castle
Kill Six Billion Demons
Kingdom Death
Legend of the Dragoon
Legend of the Five Rings
Limbo
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor
Metropolis (1927 Film)
Midkemia
Mignolaverse
Oglaf (Hahahaha, it'll never happen.)
Orphen
Over The Garden Wall
Reign Of Fire
Robin Hobb's Assassin/Liveship
Seventh Tower
Stand Still, Stay Silent
Theros
Ravnica
WH40K Dark Heresy
Wizardy Herbert
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>>54844206
>Questionable Content
Why?

>>54843805
>>54843587
What was this movie even about other than being anti-Trump?
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>>54844252
Ask if you can redo it then faggot, a lot of makers are pretty bro tier.
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>>54844077
Cubix
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>>54844264
>>Questionable Content
>Why?
You know you'd have fun there. Admit it.
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>>54844264
>What was this movie even about other than being anti-Trump?

Literally nothing.
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>>54844077
Hellboy, The Evil Within, and Silent Hill (this one might've been claimed, I don't remember).

Generic Pirates/High-Seas might be cool, too.
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>>54844077
Eureka 7
Air Gear
Legend of Heroes
Mega Man Starforce
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Personally I'd really like to see:
+ Valerian
+ Pyre
+ Paper Sorcerer
+ Evil Genius
+ Subnautica Gauntlet
+ The Long Dark Gauntlet
+ Analogue: A Hate Story & Hate Plus
+ Stardew Valley
+ Shadowrun: The video games
+ Legend of Legaia

>>54844206
>My Life with Fel
Man, that's not a bad idea. It wouldn't be hard to toss that together either. There's some good fuel for Drawbacks and Perks already, though the Item section might be a little skimpy. Unless you /want/ a porno shop of your very own.

>>54844252
I know that feeling.

>>54844261
>Howl's Moving Castle
>Stand Still, Stay Silent
>Reign of Fire
Man, whole heatedly seconding all these.
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>>54840830
>You can Chop Suey
Seems much better than the other 400s. Same with the PC something capstone. They seem much stronger or to have way more uses at a way higher level.

Actually, nix that complaint on Chop Suey, it seems more like the first tree's 400 needs a buff since the other two are both good.

>Arabian Nights
That seems awfully large for just 200, I'd say it would fit better as drop ins 400.

>Happy Ending
Could probably use some more detail as to what those miracles are.

>Dark Ship
Same as the other ship, feels better fitted as the 400.

>Bottled Wishwater
No. For one, I don't think this should be in at all. It blows everything else in the jumpout of the water and it's limits are frankly pathetic. The fact that you get a use every jump is even worse. Just wish to get a power exactly like that really high cost perk you couldn't afford, since that's totally allowed under the rules.

I think you should leave this item out given how badly it overshadows the rest of what seems like a fairly low key jump but if not, you need to seriously work on the limitations here because by the rules I can still just wish for 'nigh omnipotent reality warping' or some other retarded power.
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>>54844077
>>54844261
>Addams Family
>Elric
>Mignolaverse
These ones would be great. I'd add Lucky Luke and Generic Movie Jump, something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4, just to pick up all the clichés as perks. All of them.

>>54844252
>tfw Fall from Heaven is one of my favorite settings, but the Jump itself is a mess
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>>54844334
>>My Life with Fel
>Man, that's not a bad idea. It wouldn't be hard to toss that together either.
Dooooo eeeeet fegget
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Destroy All Humans
Necrons
Lilo & Stitch
Disney Hercules
Silmarillion
Reign Of Fire
Gloryhammer (somehow)
More MtG stuff (Lorwyn, or the older Dominaria stuff seems like it'd be cool)

>>54844252
I know that feel.
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>>54844334
You would like the idea of furry waifus the jump, it is a setting all about furries and waifuing them. It's purrfect for a jump.

Not sorry.
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>>54844077
The Last Sovereign but its lewd so that's not going to happen. Maybe on QQ if I'm lucky.

>>54844261
>WH40K Dark Heresy
Claimed
>Black Company
May be claimed. I remember a lot of talk but don't remember if it was actually claimed.

>>54844279
I'll probably do just as bad of a job.
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>>54844077
Hindu mythology (End-jump)
Malazan Book of the Fallen
Magico
Pact
Akira
Hyperion Cantos (End-jump)
Xeelee Sequence (End-jump)
Precure
More MtG
Ready Player One
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>>54844279
Can't. They left long ago.
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>>54843459
Do you have any notes on it?
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>>54844077
Dark Tower
Crysis
Reboot
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>Magico

The one by Iwamoto Naoki or the other one?
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>>54844449
>Dark Tower
I've thought about that, but Jumpchain is kinda the Dark Tower. For as much as people hate supplements, a Jumpchain DT supplement makes sense.
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>>54844264
>What was this movie even about other than being anti-Trump?
It should have been a top seller based on that alone. Anyone who has half a brain should line up to dump on that shit head.
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>>54844077
Nioh
Digimon Xross War
Samurai Champloo
Inazuma Eleven
Kamen Rider Amazon
Campione!
Burnout (Gauntlet)
Love Hina
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>>54844452
That's the one.
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>>54844372
Maybe. Let me clear my plate a little first. There's still a lot to do with Divinity and the Necrodancer reboot.

>>54844388
Puns are the lifeblood of the internet. Besides, I know I'm not the only one interested in the science behind that world.
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>>54844051
Got the Protagonist and Shielder/Helper perklines (Was actually surprised I got 6 perks from Mash alone when I planned this to cover a whole bunch of guys) pretty much done last night, along with most of the Human perkline. Leader (Marie/King Servants based) perkline was half done too. Still a ways but progress is rapido rapido

>>54844077
Lots of things. But I want to make em all myself.
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>>54844469
That makes no sense.
What are you trying to say?
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>>54844512
Dark Tower is one of those settings which "contains all fictional worlds", so he's saying he thinks that setting's cosmology is super speshul enough to trump everything else. Even though it screws with many others.
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>>54844475
I know this is bait. I know it is, but I also know there are actually people who think like this and it causes actual mental pain to me to think that people this dumb exist.
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>>54844489

If no one claims it by the time I finish Pandora Hearts I will do it then.

You got good taste in manga, anon.
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>>54844252
A good number of halfassed jumps are up for replacement. You just have to actually get off your ass and make the replacement
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>>54844475
This is a dangerous way of thinking.

Not cause of any sort of political bullshit.

But because that would mean encouraging a sequel.

A sequel to the emoji movie.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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>>54844501
What backgrounds are you planning on? I remember you saying there were at least two "villainous" backgrounds, and that the Beast/Solomon-based one was done and I'm curious what the other one is. Or if it exists at all. My memory isn't great.
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>>54844077
Record of Agarest War
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>>54844077

Generic PMC jump
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>>54844077
Nobilis. :^)
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>>54844077
Escaflowne
MegaMan Legends
Ubel blatt
Dynasty warriors
God's Eater
Hakuoki
Nurarihyon no Mago
Seraph of the End
Re:Zero
.Dot hack
11Eyes
Cou Black Dragon in a Gentle Kingdom
Utawarerumono
Diebuster
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>>54844077
>>54844149
To be more specific

>Back to the Future
>Black Mirror
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Edge of Tomorrow (or at least All You Need Is Kill)
>Gonna Be the Twin-Tail
>Gundemonium
>Jamestown
>Precure
>Re:Zero
>Simulacrum
>The Talos Principle

Probably a few others, but can't think of them right now.
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>>54844579
Shit taste. All of it.
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>>54844077
A Planeswalker jump.
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>>54844603
The best part of you ran down your mother's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress.
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>>54844535
That's fucking retarded.
And not really true. It crosses over with a lot of Stephen King's other works, namely The Stand and Salem's Lot, and shares a lot of themes with his other works (spiders and The Man in Black), but other than that it's just a run of the mill, (probably?) infinite set of parallel universes.
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>>54844579
>.Dot hack
Yes
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>>54844558
Current backgrounds, though keep in mind the names are mostly just placeholders and will be replaced are-
Human and Servant as racial backgrounds, pick one separate from the rest of your origins. Got suff based on being a summoner and on being a servant respectively.

Then the 8 role based origins-
Drop In (Modern/Future Servants like the Emiyas are here, possibly also assorted characters that don't fit elsewhere)
Mr Protagonist (The MC, both the canon two and Gudako)
Leader (Marie, king or leader Servants)
Creator (Roman, Leo, other crafters)
Anti Hero (Alters and villainous heroes that help you/are summoned by you)
Big Bad (Goetia, Demon Pillars, Flauros and the general actual bad guys of part 1)
Helper (Mash, Fou and the various Servants that join you in each arc as helpers for free)
Bad Guy (Various antagonists that aren't the actual big bads, from Gilles to Tiamat. Kiara probably won't get much play here since she's getting a background in Extra later)
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>>54844475
It should be actually funny shitting on him though.
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>11Eyes
>Utawarerumono

How the fuck would you balance that? I played the 11eyes VN and ended up confused as hell. Some powers are way too unbalanced.
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>>54844077
Sentinels of the Multiverse great game, doubt it would be possible to make a satisfactory jump though
A Series of Unfortunate Events
Conduit Yes, I know about the gauntlet that's basically creative mode's prototype
Magic the Gathering Alara
Mummy the Curse
Unknown Armies
Demon the Descent this one I might do myself
The Belgariad
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>>54844673
Not gonna lie I just threw 11eyes down there since it was in between my other choices.
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>>54844680
I think someone's working on DtD already. Conduit really isn't creative mode anymore than Magic the Gathering is, though.
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>>54844077
Runescape (I want bad graphics as a drawback)
Girls Bravo
Evil Dead
More Magic of the Gathering jumps.
Stardew Valley
Generic Space Jump
SAO Abridged could have some funny perks and drawbacks
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>>54841107
It gets updated sporadically.
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>>54844671
So many choices so little CP. Thank you for all the hard work Val.
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>>54844713
Was uploaded directly to the drive ages ago. Very formative for being the first time we rejected something that was uploaded.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/38442002/#38455751
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>>54844735
>Generic Space Jump
Like, a hard science space exploration Jump?
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>>54844709

I mean, the mechanics are more or less explained, but a lot of powers are so... connected to the same source, with very alike drawbacks.

It can be done, not by me.

>>54844735
>Girls Bravo

I also want a jump of this. Would be funny, like maburaho or tales of the wedding rings
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>>54844671
Thanks for splitting up the role and racial origins.
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>>54844671
Thank you.
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>>54844796
Just for here, since the Servants play so a big role and there's more of them then there are non servants. The other Fate jumps will go back to the usual formula.
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Does Overlord equipment include weapons? I mainly ask since I don't wish to lose my divine tier buffs if I choose to use a different weapon.
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>>54844812
Makes sense.
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>>54844077
Aberrant.
Mage: the Ascension
Madame Mirage
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>>54844831
They would almost certainly include weapons. Get some item fusion stuff if you're worried about it.
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>>54844077
SB Extermination Gauntlet
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>>54844874
Recommendations?
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>>54844077
Starbound
Stardew Valley
Orks, Tau, and Mechanius (with Imperial Knight option)
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>>54844353
Chop Suey: To clarify, you're saying that Will of the Dreamer is the one that needs to be buffed? I admit, I had a little trouble finding things for the Drop-In background.

Arabian Nights- Actually, I had it at 400 initially, but I thought that since it was essentially just a glorified pleasure boat without any special properties I should reduce the price; I can raise it if you'd like.

Happy Ending- It's a little unclear in the story, actually. After the climax of the story, the Guppees offer Haroun a happy ending. So after he wakes up, his father gets his storytelling gift back, the corrupt Mr. Buttoo gets exiled, his mother returns, and his hometown finally remembers its name. Haroun wasn't looking for any big miracle, so I doubt that that is the extent of the sort of happy ending that the P2C2E House can produce.

Dark Ship- I kind of agree that it could have a higher price; I mostly just thought that the Plug and the Sadness Factory were more valuable so I had to put it at a lower position.

Bottled Wishwater- The thing is, I was really trying to limit the abuse through this. Wishwater is common in the world, and while I could lock away access to it, people would get mad that I restricted a key part of the story, so I tried to compromise by making the best wishwater something you need to buy.

I could just say that you get a single wish to make in the current jump, but I'm worried that if I do nobody will pay all that money for it.

Actually, I had a nifty set of limits in the initial layout. In a world where magic didn't have a big role, you'd need to continually wish for 11 minutes for it to work, no breaks. For a magical world, 11 hours. For something that affects jumpchain as a whole, 11 years of continual wishing, never hesitating in prayer for even a second. But I was told that that would be too much.

Therefore, I followed the example of the Disney Princesses' Genie companion and made the restrictions parallel to that.
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>>54844900
Just use the hatred gauntlet. Satisfy your irrational and infantile hateboner for SB using that.
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>>54844952
>Therefore, I followed the example of the Disney Princesses' Genie companion and made the restrictions parallel to that.
The Disney Princess Genie also specifies that the thing doing the wish-granting isn't omnipotent, rather than just barring access to omnipotence.
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>>54844916
>Not an entirely Imperial Knight focused jump
Pleb taste anon.
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>>54844952
Yeah, the other two 400s are equal with each other but that first one is lacking a bit.

>Bottled Wishwater
The problem Cataquack, is that you didn't follow Disney enough. Genies can't do everything. They have specific limits and then they also have only a certain amount of general power. Your option lacks that. There is nothing that stops one from wishing for enough power to destroy a multiverse, since that's not omnipotence, and your not working with genies who aren't that strong.

If you had a limit like that where you are limited to the level of power shown by genies = and/or present in disney movies. It might work. You'd probably need to not make it an every jump thing because why would you buy anything else but it'd be more balanced.

And that wishing time limit does absolutely nothing to help the problem. All it means is that you'll just need to use a jump with enough time to get what you want. Aside from the fact that affecting jumpchain as a whole reeks of some nasty shit.

So yes, limit it to just a few uses that don't replenish and severely limit the power or get rid of it entirely.
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>>54844952
desu CW, having the water there is already kindof an OTB. The rest of your jump isn't exactly filled with strong competitors and the price isn't that high on the wish water to make up for it. Most of your perks feel quite limited to this setting and only having story telling applications outside of it so it's hard to see why you wouldn't go for this awesome wishing item that can give almost anything once a jump.
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Thus anyone know of any item fusion perks or items in any jumps (don't mean imports)
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Ver 1.3 - Grammatical updates, fixed Golden Purse of Coin’s description, fixed the Farm/Winery perk, dropped companion price to 100 CP, finally elaborated on the mask because the description shortness bothered me, completed the mount’s description, and clarified some stuff in the notes.

AKA "FINALLY" edition
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>>54845116
You're gonna leave Rapestate available? Don't you care about this community?
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>>54844077
Warhammer 40K: Necrons
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>>54845133
>Don't you care about this community?
God, your shitposting is getting dull.
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>>54845133
So you're saying that you'd use it to rape people... in an imagination game? You'd do that?
Sounds like there's something wrong with you, not the jump, anon. You might want to get some professional help, for your own good.
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>>54844501
>Got the Protagonist perklines

Harem perk?
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>>54843587
A swift death
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>>54845150
>>54845174
The only way to kill this cancer is to let it starve.
There is no chemo.
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>>54844077
Mignolaverse
Kill Six Billion Demons
Warhammer Fantasy: End of Times
Asimov's Foundation
The Darkness
Pluto
Billy Bat
Lucifer And the Biscuit Hammer
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>>54845133
What perk is that?
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>>54845201
But anon, what about surgery? Extract the malignant tumour with scalpels and a sexy nurse on hand to dab your sweaty brow!
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>>54845207
>Lucifer And the Biscuit Hammer
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>>54845222
Sssh, don't samefag to bring attention to yourself shitposter. No one cares.
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>>54843937
You're welcome!
>>54844012
A different world for each cell phone
>>54843992
I'm a sucker for a well-dressed woman in pants, what can I say?
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>>54845193
There is indeed a perk for you befriending and romancing many powerful beings, even including ones that should by all rights be extremely evil and hostile, just by fighting alongside them.
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>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-jumpchain-thread-3.542233/page-379#post-38154570
>Yet Val's jumps get accepted and Disney Princess has been around forever.
>Fuck'em. Don't bother doing either.
And yet, not only do Val's jumps require you to train to that level, they don't offer anything short of literal Omnipotence. Neither does the Genie, for that matter, it's a powerful in-setting being bound by strict in-setting limitations.

Don't listen to Record, Cataquack. He's by far one of the least reasonable SBers.
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>>54845287
Record being a retard as usual.
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>>54845279
YES
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>>54844541
>If no one claims it by the time I finish Pandora Hearts I will do it then.
Hows that coming?
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>>54845245
That would require finding out where it is in order to remove it.
And apparently it's impossible to track people down IRL from anonymous shitposts on an internet imageboard. Which is a damn shame, if you ask me.
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>>54845060
Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.

The one wish used in the story, for instance, was so that the second moon, Kahani, which has always had a single side perpetually exposed to the sun and the other to night through a Process Too Complicated To Explain, would immediately shift to a normal rotation and cause the noon sun to instantly shine down on the wisher's location.

>>54845092
I thought that the wishwater was fairly expensive since it's 600 with no background discounts; would it be more acceptable if I raised it to 800 instead?
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>>54845259
Not everyone is a shitposter, anon. Just curious about what perk is supposed to give time-travel in the jump, since a quick search revealed nothing.

Or did I just fall into the bait?
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>>54845315
CW, that is STILL infinitely more limited than your current version even if you limit it to that moon shifting stuff.

And if that Process was done through a wish, why is it that the process is also a perk?
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>>54845315
>Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.
The Exalted jumps have the sense to say their Perfect Defenses aren't literally omnipotent. Are are you saying that this "Wishwater" would canonically be able to grant power on par with the Outer Gods of Lovercraft? Because doing something with a moon is a far cry from being able to offer anything short of omnipotence.
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>>54845315
Not really? You're looking at a lot higher cost and it's really starting to seem like the jump is being made for this wish water, especially since it's so much shorter than your other stuff.
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>>54845300

Not much progress because work. But I will put my mind on it these days.
Half of the perks are already done, so that's something.
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>>54845325
Ctrl-f "rape", look at the first result, and hover over the replies until you get to the first post which mentions Fire Emblem.
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>>54845279
Cool, the Protag's super harem ability is basically an EX+ NB by itself. Would it help with hostile conceptually anti-love beings?

Also, would the 400 cp perk for Humans in Angel Notes help with the above (romancing beings who lack the concept of love)? Or that human perk from God of Highschool?
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>>54845354
Okay, let's not throw accusations around like that. Thanks!
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>>54845315
Cataquack. With your item as is, I could say "I wish for every single perk in Jumpchain to be turned into a power and given to me at 1 billion times strength" and that would be valid. EVen if you said that violates the meta rule, I'd just write down all those powers and do it that way instead.

Your no omnipotence clause is not a limitation worth considering.
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>>54844780
I was thinking of something like Star Wars, but without the Force. You can just roam the stars and pick up alien women.

>>54844782
Two drawbacks for Girls Bravo i thought would be cool would be the allergy problem that the main character faces and one that sets Maharu after you. She is desperate for a man and believe that you are the best (you are the Jumper after all), immune to all of your powers and if you do marry her it is a chain ending drawback. Evade her long enough and the Seiren govt might get involved just to get rid of her. But if you stay unmarried for the jump then you could talk her as a companion.
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>>54845395
The Notes thing would deffo work, GoH's one...possibly, bit more dubious since it's not outright designed for that sort of thing.
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>Naruto updates
You know, given that so many people take the fanfic, I'm half-tempted to suggest a Dreaming of Sunshine scenario.

No idea what you'd have to do, and no idea what the reward would be, apart from maybe offering Shikako as a companion, but I'm tempted to suggest it.
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>>54845315
I'm not sure why you complain about wish water being plentiful when you've already put a limit on it in the jump itself.
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>>54845395
An EX Rank Noble Phantasm centered around harem building, that seems like a great way to spend SP in any Fate jump.
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>All the SB creeps keep telling him to stick to his guns and offer the nigh omnipotence repeated use wish thing
this is hilarious
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>>54845431
I know right? They're so wonderfully hypocritical and happy to ignore all the evidence against their choice when it's something they want.
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>>54845354
The reason the jump is so short is because I have limited resources. Haroun was just a single novel, only a couple hundred pages long. Not to mention that the setting took a magical realism approach and maintained a sort of surreal feel. So while there was enough interesting stuff to fuel a jump, it couldn't be as long as my other jumps.

Though wishwater, I admit, has a large role in the setting. It's one of the key items used for the climax, and more importantly the narrative implies that it can be found at various points across Kahani's oceans. Therefore, I was trying to limit the potential abuse by making it into an item with decent but fair restrictions in place.
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>>54845431
>People might wish to be Elder God Demonbane but some aren't so you should still offer this thing that lets us become Elder God Demonbane+infinity
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>>54845402

I remember the allergy problem being quite sad. The mc was a doormat because of that and Kirie tsundere tendencies. Also, we need a drawback of the blond dude (or his sister) trying to molest you.
And a big luck perk.
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>>54845431
As long as they get to game the system more, they dont give a fuck how overpowered it is.

I feel like thats all that even matters to them.
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>>54845401
No, it can't, as it limits meta wishes like that. Why would you think that?
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>>54845116
Looks good, Nika.
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>>54845446
As everyone as said so far, your restrictions are not. The only limit on power you have is no omnipotence which still allows basically everything else. Heck, you can even wish for omniscience and omnipresence if you like.

All people are even asking is for you to cap it to the level of things shown in setting and yet your absolute refusal to do so is making people start to suspect why that is being refused, since it's a pretty reasonable ask.
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>>54844077
>>54844916
>>54845024
>Imperial Knight Jump
I never realized how much I wanted this. An Imperial Knight in Bretonnia when?
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>>54845470
Like I said, I instead just write down all the powers I want, which just happen to be very similar to all the perks in jumpchain, and then say I want all those powers.

Bam, I effectively have all the perks in jumpchain. I'm not wishing for perks. Just powers very like them all that I wrote down.

Your item completely allows this.
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>>54845481
I kind of want a The Salamander Knight movie now too.
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>>54845481
When you make the Imperial Knight jump and then someone takes it to Bretonnia to show those smelly hose people what real peasant oppression looks like. 40K style.
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>>54845480
>Reasonable to limit it to in setting feats instead of near total omnipotence
But anon this is an SBer.
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>>54845431
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>54845526
Go look at SB, they're all encouraging him to keep it and keep going on about 'don't like don't use'
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>>54845315
>Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.
Surely, as an SBer, you've heard of an NLF.
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>>54844077
Mahou Tsukai No Yoru, I think is the name?
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>>54845515
*horse people
Dammit.
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>>54845287
>Yet Val's jumps get accepted
Which ones, bitch? Which of Val's jumps offer you the power to do anything short of literally everything? Even Universal-level shit is infinitely below omnipotence.
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Who is best Saber?
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>>54845532
Nobody here cares about SB but you. Go back to SB, fag.
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>>54845570
>inb4 that majikoi perk
to head off any niggas that go in that direction, the jump (And I believe none of her jumps do either) would require infinite energy in power and output for that to count.
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>>54845571
Not the one openly displaying her panties and ass for the world to see, that's for sure.
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>>54845315
>Part of the trouble is that the wishwater doesn't have any defined limits in the setting, and I am reluctant to go too far from canon and nerf it.
Are you one of those people who thinks Saitama is the most powerful being in fiction?
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>>54845431
>Val has made two perks in two different jumps that combo with Dream Demon, Glitch + Genius Loci or the Terminal capstone in Nier Automata for reality warping omnipotence
>She just told you to suck it up when you complained
>Nobody said anything after that
>CW tells you to fanwank responsibly
>"NO, YOU MUST LIMIT THIS OR ELSE PEOPLE MIGHT GAIN TOO MUCH POWER"
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>>54845470
Calm down. There are some incredibly autistic like>>54845493
who will interpret your shit in the most cheaty retarded way possible to 'prove' something about you or shitpost in different ways.

You can either give in to these non-people or ignore them like someone who isn't an idiot.
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>>54845598
None of those give omnipotence. Terminal even explicitly says any of yours powers online get nerfed hard in reality.
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>>54845571
Full grown Sabers are best Sabers
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>>54845608
Hi there Brellin. How's things on SB? You still fighting for the nigh omnipotence wish item? Yeah, looks like it.
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>>54845571
Lancer Artoria, I would prefer an older Saber Artoria but that isn't canon.
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>>54845598
>Dream Demon, Glitch + Genius Loci or the Terminal capstone in Nier Automata for reality warping omnipotence
Do you actually know what the word "omnipotence" means? No, clearly you don't. Because none of those are even remotely close to omnipotence.
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>>54845470
Alright. I just wish for every single beneficial power that isn't Omnipotence. That's not meta, it's within the power limits you established and it doesn't directly effect other people.

It also just happens to do what the other anon complained about. Fix this goddamn perk you blithering moron. At the very least apply a limit equal to the top feat in this god forsaken story.
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>>54845570
Weakness of beatrice lets you fuck over entire settings magic systems for a discounted 400 cp. 800 non discounted.
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>>54845650
>>54845620
Neither does the item that you are crying so much about, and yet you still complain.
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You know who CW reminds me of? Another person mainly on SB that tries to justify broken shit by saying they want to stay faithful to the story.

The second coming of SJ
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>>54845460
Having Fukuyama (the blonde dude) chasing after female jumpers would be a funny drawback. Maybe not his little sister as she is in love with the MC. Maybe his mother, cousin, aunt, or even his twin sister and make the perverted tendencies run in the family.

I can see a luck and of course a harem perk is a must.
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>>54845663
Yes, we know, because we've been saying it gives literally everything short of that.
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>>54845662
And the fact that you think that's even remotely close to omnipotence shows you don't know the meaning of the word. Fuck, it explicitly states that people stronger than you don't need to obey.
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>>54845662
How is that even relevant? Even though you're shitposting, I'll still point out your flaws. The perk itself says you can't make things stronger unless you're combining it with an existing stronger thing and no one stronger than you has to follow your changes.
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>>54845669
But anon, every Jumpmaker but Val is also SB. And Val is IRClluminati.

There is no place in this thread when you can be safe from your autism being trigerred. You should leave now.
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>tfw not really caring about this jump debate and still waiting for help with my question of where can I find item fusion perks or items.
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>>54845696
>tfw I'm this ninja subtle in my requests
Sorry anon bout all this. Try out Aion and Weakness of Beatrice? I think those have fusion related stuff.
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>>54845696
Aion has one of those.
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>>54845707
Never claimed to be subtle :)
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>>54845696
There's a decent one in Chocobo Dungeon, The Black Mage's Pot allows you to toss in two similar items and get a reasonable fusion. You lose a tiny bit of their overall power in the process, but that can be accounted for in other ways.
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>>54845674

A perk for empathy and making people ignore your bad bit in favor to your good side is a must too.
Lisa's black magic could be good, too.
An item to go from earth to seiren
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Does anyone know any perks other than Observer from Blazblue that lets you lock an event in the timeline? I like the idea of being able to prevent time loops from undoing my actions, but I don't like how Observer is always on and would prevent me from taking advantage of time loops, myself.
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>>54845696
SCP-931 from SCP can find a way to combine and improve items.
Weakness of Beatrice has a perk that allows you to combine items, potions,what have you.
Aion has that casket(?) that combines items.
Homestuck can pull it off with the alchemy thing.
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>>54845763
Toggle from young justice.
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>>54845773
Where's that girl from?
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>>54845786
I don't want to turn Observer off, turning Observer off kills you.
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>>54845744
>using invalid jumps.
You might as well just houserule that you get whatever perk you want
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>>54845813
I don't see how it would kill you. You turn off the whole perk not just the effects. You don't die if you don't have the observer perk.
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>>54845821
You're like a washed up singer, coming out of retirement to go on one last tour, but you simply can't measure up to your former glory and everybody watching you knows it.
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>>54845821
"I've heard tell that what you imagine sometimes comes true." -Grandpa Joe
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>>54845799
its an OC from the artist Vertigheist.
apparently her name is ViVi
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>>54845629
THIS MAN(?) GETS IT
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>>54845696
umm Im about 3/4 done on my updates to the world of cultivation jump if you are interested in something I have planned for there?

I may need to work out the wording on it a bit some though, its based on something recent

current draft:

Underground Nether River- 600
The Underground Nether River is silent, It 60 feet wide and is spectacular to see. The river water of the Underground Nether River are as sticky as glue, are black yet clear, and flows without making a sound. The water in this river is extremely suitable for the creation of Mo Weapons, by placing a part of yourself or another creature as well as a weapon into the waters you can guide them to merge and create a mo weapon, a weapon connected to you much like a talisman or a flying sword though often times more powerful, not because of superior forging techniques but because of superior materials conglomerating to create a weapon.

This pool has the special property to not only work well for forging mo weapons it also has the effect of combining multiple weapons or items into 1, as Xaio Mo Ge did with his Sky Snake Ten Transformations Pike, doing this imbues all the powers of of the items into one while allowing them to also shift between forms of the items used in its creation. The Sky Snake Ten Transformation Pike was a powerful Earth Mo weapon but its real power came from its ability to shift into ten different weapons, now you can create something similar.

When used it with the parts of a creature forges a better weapon depending on how strong the creature in question was and has minor affinities based on the creature and the part used, for instance using the claw of a fire dragon will probably create a fire attributed mo weapon ranging between a dagger and a sword (considering how big the claw is). Though weapons created will be much more impressive if you have some training in forging already…

After the jump it can become a warehouse attachment should you wish it.
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>>54845754
A power that lets you travel between different worlds, possibly with a forehead mark to signify it.
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>>54845843
Huh, Toggle does say that you can turn off perks, not just powers granted from perks. Interesting. I still would rather use a different method, though. If I used Observer and just turned it off when not using it, I could still accidentally lock in an event I didn't want to happen while I had it on. So I need either a perk that just lets me lock specifically what I want and not everything I witness, or I need the ability to defy locked events in the timeline. Do you think anti-fate effects would be able to do that?
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>>54845875
Damn that's cool
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>>54845431
They also think Greatest Magician of the Age makes you Timothy Hunter-level. Because there have never been perks which vastly different from what they're based on, right?
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>>54845863
Damn, this guy's got an awesome style. Not him, but thanks for this.
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>>54845886

A perk for making small tech. Fukuyama made a whole vr game in the manga.
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>>54845754
And a strange pet from Seiren. They had killer teddy bears and the strange seal thing.

I can see the origins being something like; Drop in, Student at the school, One of those Seiren cops (the ones that go man hunting on Earth), and we need one last origin. I can't think of a fourth.

A perk for the magic and science of Seiren. An item could be a warehouse addition that adds an open air bath with a large Earth floating in the sky. And a house is always a good item for early jumps.

As for companions I am sure even if Fukuyama despises men, he would be happy to go out into the multiverse to hunt the women of many worlds. Any woman on Seiren would gladly marry the Jumper as the gender ratio on that planet is only 10% male. And the pervert did have a really cool ninja maid.

But I would still take Maharu as my companion. she just wants love and I like red heads.
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>>54845632
Fuck off Timmy. People who don't buy into your hyperbole are sane, not Brellin.
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>>54845987
Gosh, could you tell us what the maximum level of power we could wish for is then? Obviously you have to know since you know what level is too much.
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>>54845938
Nice art yoro, abusive lesbian rape is also a favorite of mine.
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No problem, Yoro, happy to help.
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>>54845982

You can probably squeeze another Top Student origin (based on Fukuyama, his family and the ninja-soldier-maids)
But I think is better to leave it at 3 origins.
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>>54846031
No, it's better to go for 4 and then reduce to 3 if you find yourself unable to match 4.
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>>54846039

Even better then, 4 perks per origin?
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I have tried to be fair with the Wishwater item and prevent key ways to abuse it. I cannot prevent every potential means of abuse that sneaky people could think of, not without overly chaining down the wonder and magic that the item embodied in the story.

Here is a revised version of the item:

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, able to grant virtually any wish if you wish hard enough. There are a few limits to the wishes, though, as the water is not quite omnipotent despite its dreamlike capabilities. You cannot wish for more wishes or for complete/total omnipotence or immortality in general. Wishes that target specific people to kill/mind control/resurrect them are likewise out of the question, and while your wish might have the potential to alter reality to some degree, wishes that would drastically rewrite history or the metaphysical framework of the universe won’t work. Also, wishwater cannot be used to alter the “meta” properties of the jumpchain like wishing for more choice points (CP), changes to perks, or extra discounts. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

I will consider feedback, of course, but I intend to keep this item as part of the jump close to its current form.
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>>54846039
Top student works or even normal Seiren resident. You may not be close tot he MCs, but your life on a world of women would be interesting. Maybe we should gender lock that option.
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>>54846082
>There's barely any changes
ltierally

just

fucking say it has a top level of power equal to that moon feat

People have told you what would fix it.

All you have done is give a wishy washy 'not quite omnipotent' thing that does absolutely nothing to fix the problem. People cna still wish for all the powers they want.

If you're not going to change, I'd ask that you take the jump back to SB because this sort of 'wish for basically anything you want' is not okay.
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>>54846082
Much better. Though it still seems way more appealing than everything else in its price tier.
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>>54846082
>Goes on and on about wanting to keep it close to canon
>But constantly refuses to just limit it to it's best canon feat
At least have the balls to admit you're just wanting a wish for anything thing.
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>>54846082
And you just happen to not prevent the ways of abuse people have actually detailed to you. What the fuck are you on about with sneaky people? Everyone has told you the most straightforward ways of abuse possible.

>>54846125
>Much better
>Addresses literally none of the issues or examples raised against it
nigga what are you on
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>>54846128
>There are a few limits to the wishes, though, as the water is not quite omnipotent despite its dreamlike capabilities.
It reads like it's supposed to work like an in-setting item, whose limits are up to fanwank.
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>>54846082
So...to be clear. You don't want to make non canon alterations to the power...but you are perfectly fine adding limits based on the genie wish thing that aren't reflected in canon at all.
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>>54846158
A fanwank that the jump maker apparently supports as having no limits save omnipotence. You'll notice he's never actually said no to all the broken examples people came up with because of their power, just once because of meta.
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God, just reading the stuff you idiots post is exhausting.
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>>54846057
They would have to be good perks. After all the show and manga were short, so maybe four is too much.
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>>54846082
Go away. Just go away. Fuck off. Fuck off with this power wanking wish bs.
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>>54845634

>I would prefer an older Saber Artoria but that isn't canon.
No, see, we went over this last month. Pod her, import her in another jump, roll her age as mid-twenties.
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I hope everyone involved with this argument dies.
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With regret, I am ceasing work on the Finno-Korean Hyperwar jump due to, somewhat ironically, being unable to find a bunch of threads where the worldbuilding occurred. Also there's a big difference in tone that I'm just not capturing.

>>54840804
Skateboard.
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>>54846082
You know a way to stop abuse and keep the wonder it had in story?

Limit it to things it could do in story. Like the stuff you described. But oh no we gotta get our max wank potential bullshit with BUT MUH STORY as justification.

Why are you this ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ADAMANT about keeping this canon when you've already made a lot of non canon changes and you'e never had a problem making balance changes in your other jumps?
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>>54846212
Because it's not really for the story. He's made enough changes that it's clear he's actually okay with it not matching canon. He just wants the power involved.
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>>54844077
Tenchi Universe
Tenchi in Tokyo (just to complete the set witht he above)
Ex Heroes (Super heroes vs Zambies, this has to get made)
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>>54846082
The item is not balanced compared to other things in the jump. It's not balanced against the entire chain. it's already non canon. You've already limited in setting things like it. None of your other stuff in jump comes close to this and indeed you can get everything else in your jump with this one item.

Are you starting to see why people are saying you have ulterior motives with this? Or is the SB cheer squad making you dismiss all complaints as shit posters?
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>Cataquack runs back to SB to get advice instead of just talking to all the people pointing out all the issues here
coz fuck us right? Obviously those guys are the ones that aren't arguing for more power.
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>>54846286
It all becomes clear on why he's totally refusing to make the changes people asked for since the start.
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>>54846082
My thought is limit it to physical alterations. Can move moons and all that shit, but can't give you powers or other problematic things.
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>>54846082
Okay, let's try some more reason. Your two main reasons for not making the change everyone asks for is canonicity and keeping the wonder the item made you feel, right?

Canonicity. You already gave that up. You added plenty of limitations that I assume it does not have in canon. There is really no room for saying it's not changing to keep it close to canon when most of the description is changes like that.

The feeling of wonder. It is not going to work that way. Maybe in setting but this item? It's a one use per jump thing. People are very unlikely to use it on a whim for some joy in magic. They're much more likely to keep it as their get out of jail free card. Their one free coupon for something they want from this setting. A way to nab a hard to get power or create a companion they couldn't get otherwise. Something that is almost assuredly going to be used for abuse by it's very nature. Even your description completely obviates any sort of wonder, given how filled with limits it is. Why would you just throw away your once a jump 'do almost anything' card unless you actually needed it?

It's not wonder, it's purely utility by this point. And if it's going to be that way, which it is, you can at least make it balanced utility. And who knows. Maybe making it able to be less of a 'do anything' card will make more motivation to use it for fun.
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>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/general-jumpchain-thread-3.542233/page-380#post-38156739
>Change it back.
>literally the only change was saying that it's not quite omnipotent
SBers, amirite?
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Um. Awkward.

Just a head's up for anyone following, I got a bit exhausted from the extensive writechain I've been doing so I'm probably going back to posting blurbs or saving [DETAIL MODE] for specific settings. Not sure when I'll be doing Princess and the Frog - I might have a job next week. My goal is to get it out by next Saturday, though.
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>>54846286
>>54846308
Or maybe it's because the people there give reasonable opinions I respect and aren't making me feel overly pressured and targeted. They brought up some good points, as I feel like you are forcing a lot of caps on an already-limited, high-priced item when a lot of other things get a free pass.

>>54846309
I think that this might be a reasonable compromise I can consider. The issue is that Kahani is a literal dream/magical world, so I hardly think that magic should be excluded.
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>>54846424
And adding to this.

The SB thing? You're basically holding a gun to your own balls. It is a very unpopular decision that will rile tempers and you're getting advice from biased sources, at the very least from the view of people here. And the people here are who you need to accept your decision if you want this on the drive, not the people on SB.
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>>54845116
Fire Emblem: Echoes - Shadows of Valentia
> Location: Zofia Castle [Rolled3]
> Country: Zofia
> Origin: Lord
> A Hero’s Duties [Get a Freebie!]
> Reunited At The Crossroads Of Fate [Get a Freebie!]
> With Mila’s Divine Protection [-200CP]
> Mila’s Divine Power [-300CP]
> Healing Tile Paint Creation [-200CP]
> The Teachings of Duma [-600CP]
> Mila’s Bounty [Get a Freebie!]
> The Earth Mother’s Cooking [-100CP]
> A Hardy Soul [-100CP]
> Crate Of Ram’s Wine [Get a Freebie!]
> Farm Or Winery [-100CP]
> Gold Hilted Dagger [Get a Freebie!]
> Mila’s Turnwheel [-200CP]
> Cheese Eater [+100CP]
> My Body Is Your Plaything, Mila [+100CP]
> Wanted By Rigel [+300CP]
> Berkut’s Rival [+300CP]

Hm?
> Turnwheel
I was just gonna use it for a mulligan on fuck-ups. Although, as far as abusing it goes, I was thinking it'd be fun to grab this before Undertale and play "Who's got control of the timeline?" with Frisk.

> So what'd you do to piss off Berkut?
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp7ArSF3RQs

I stole Rinea, spirited her away to a castle, and then churned out golems and magical monsters to antagonize the Rigelian nation. Because ALL THE WORLD'S CHEESE BELONGS TO ME! IT FEELS SO GOOD INSIDE ME.

So that was my jump! Sometimes I'd have to abandon ship and go build another castle somewhere, and every time I did I made sure to leave behind a note or recording or a minion or something to tell Berkut "YOUR PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE!"

God he hated me.
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>>54846435
>a lot of other things get a free pass
Such as? Specific example, please.
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>>54846435
>Others get a free pass
Like what? No really, tell us. What else is on this level of power?

Because others tried to shit post at Val like this. And everyone shut down those complaints with ease.

So really CW, what things do you feel are just as bad as this?
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>>54846183

Seiren cops and student fill 4 perks easily, Drop in too if it's based on the bland mc.
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>>54846435
And I feel like you're dismissing everyone here so you can listen to your friends even when people here bring up some pretty strong points.
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>>54846435
Not them, but what other things do we give a pass to? Honestly Im just curious. Record claims Val's jumps being accepted point to us being hypocrites, and brings up not even a single thing allowing him to jump to that conclusion.
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>>54846424
The point is, Kahani, and the setting as a whole, is a dream world, and a key theme in the story is specifically against how people in the real world want to tear down at the "impossibilities" of things until they aren't fun anymore. That's why I am concerned about putting too many arbitrary limits on the item.
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>>54846435
You know why you're being pressured? Because you're offering a wish that lets you get basically anything you want. it's broken and crazy. People go after that stuff.

It doesn't help that you're ignoring the justifications people give here in favour of listening to your friends at SB. But we're just shitposters in the end aren't we?

If you think our opinions are so worthless Cataquack, why are you here? Why are you trying to get this accepted by us if you don't give a shit what the majority of this place thinks?
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>>54846435
>some good points
Bullshit. Their "points" amount to "high powered settings have been accepted, so obviously balance and appropriateness are utterly non-existent" and "just because people can use it like this doesn't mean they will".
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>>54846496
Except almost your entire description is arbitrary limitations. There's a lot of them already. And a lot of those limitations could be lightened if the perk didn't have the massive, gaping loophole that is the complete lack of any limit on it's power beyond the omnipotence one.
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>>54846496
It's really starting to get silly how hypocritical you come off as. The reasons you keep using to defend your choice feel ridiculous when you've done those things already, in this jump and in others. Even in the same perk you are defending you've done the very things you say are the reason you can't change it more.
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Being human sucks, join team dragon today?
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>And now they're badgering me for examples of OP things that get a "free pass" (and they're excluding Val's from the list). I know that there are some, as I've seen ones stronger than that item, but I don't really have time to trawl through the jumps right now for examples, so does anyone know some off the top of their head?

Are we fucking serious right now Cataquack?
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>>54846540
>Literally recruiting SBers to find you ammo to use against people not wanting your nigh omnipotent wish a jump thing
This is so pathetic
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>>54846471
That seems good to me. All that is left are the items. Make them good Ricord.
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>>54846540
>Excluding Vals
Because we already pointed out how none of them are close to as bad as this you fucking dumb fucks

Are you guys so fucking special you can't get your heads out of your asses and realise that you can actually have some problems with your creation efforts and some people can balance things better?
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>>54846082
At least Val's jumps which we have so "hypocritically" allowed onto the drive require some amount of risk and effort, and are generally appropriate for their setting. Even the highest powered ones don't let you walk out of a setting that doesn't even planet-bust with the power to punch out Azathoth.
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>>54846496
Are you... are you trying to kill this jump? I really can't comprehend how else you go from what you were like before to acting like this. You are making so many bad decisions and faux pas that I can only imagine you're trying to make this series into a black mark that always gets refused.
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>>54846563

You crazy, I gotta finish my other jumps before anything.
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>>54846540
First of all, this way you invade my privacy like that is part of why I do not feel entirely comfortable here.

Second, I know that I have seen perks stronger than mind, but I don't remember the exact ones right now, and I just don't like having to dig through a bunch of stuff until I find some examples that satisfy you.

Third, I said that I was willing to compromise with that physical things only option, if it can also account for magical things.
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>>54846540
>badgering
>Just wanting to know what caused them to believe that we allow shit in and are hypocrites
>Turns out they didnt even make the claim and instead is just parroting an SBer known for being as dumb as a bag of hammers and can't justify themselves

I have no mouth, and I must scream.
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>>54846598
I can wait, I can wait.
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>>54846608
>Invade privacy
CW, you are currently on both forums. Other people are allowed to be on both forums. It has been known for years that people go to both forums. You are the one posting in a public forum on a subject directly relating to what is being discussed here.

Grow up.

So you say there are stronger things but have no examples.

Except that still means you can do things like destroy all physical matter in the universe that isn't alive or make a physical thing that gives you whatever you want, like a magical potion. All it does is add an extra step to getting what you want and not a big step.
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>>54846615
>They didn't make it
sorry, what?
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>>54846538
Too late, I am basically a giant red dragon politician playing sim city with some dwarves now.
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>>54846608
And before you quote that big list of settings Record just posted, get specific examples first. It'll save you and us the time.
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>>54846639
>Except that still means you can do things like destroy all physical matter in the universe that isn't alive or make a physical thing that gives you whatever you want, like a magical potion. All it does is add an extra step to getting what you want and not a big step.
Maybe I like to have faith in the inner goodness of people not to abuse things.
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>>54846667
>abuse
Cataquack, you're the one who has put no power limits on this. There's nothing to abuse because as far as everyone can tell, you're completely fine with it having no power limit aside from omnipotence.

if it is abuse, tell us what the limit is meant to be. If it's not, find another excuse.
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>>54846608
It's not... Really an invasion of privacy. You posted something to a public forum we all know about. Anyone can see it.
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>>54846651
I meant as in, they didn't actually come up with the claim on any intellectual level. All he did was parrot what Record said about us accepting shit and being hypocrites, he latched on to whatever flimsy reasoning he needed to make an argument for the ability.
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>>54846667
Didn't all your friends at SB spend the last few weeks using that option in Ravenloft to make themselves monsters with thousands of HD and hundreds of different templates just because it didn't say you couldn't?

Hypocrisy is the word of the day, huh?
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>>54846496
How about this:
"As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible.
If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could move planetary bodies to bring sunlight, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more.
Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E."
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>>54846689
Ooooh. I thought you meant someone else made the jump and he was just acting as the cover for the real maker.
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>>54846608
All right, let's look at your guys' "examples":

>Any Xianxia jump.
You know what the justification usually given for these is? It takes tens of thousands of years to get even to mook-level power.

>Any of the higher-tier DC and Marvel jumps.
Galaxy-level, with training.

>Overlord the Series. Prototype.
Utterly fucking irrelevant.

>Super Robot Wars. The freaking Light of Terra (Alpha-grade psykerness, it damn well counts).
Utterly fucking irrelevant, even if you couldn't wish for all of them with this item.

>Charmed. Any Exalted jump. Potentially any D&D jump.
Barely above planet-level, for the most part.

>Hero BBS. Touhou. Highschool DxD. \
It all takes time. And Touhous are still more limited than omnipotence, most of them barely exceed star-level. Highschool DxD shouldn't even be on here.

>Rick and Morty.
Still limited and less than omnipotence, closest thing is dubious WoG.
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>>54846712
Still seems broken as fuck but there is that macguffin item in Generic Dungeon Crawler. Should still not respawn in that case though, since you'd otherwise just get to solve one thing from free every jump.
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>>54846724
>Xianxia
Would also like to point out that even their recent Desolate Era jump isn't even galaxy levels at the post spark levels they offer.
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>>54840804
My Quirk is Gun.

It's power is that I have a gun.
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>>54846712
I'm fine with this.
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>>54846608
So...you are allowed to respond to things on both forums but people who do the same in reverse are suddenly invading your privacy? how very social justice of you.
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>>54846758
See >>54846725
You need to limit it more if you go with that, because it still has the issue of no power limits in what it can solve. Being able to solve one drawback every jump or one fight with the strongest guy every jump?

Also makes you even more hilariously hypocritical about keeping it canon.
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>>54846633

I will claim it if no one has by the time I finish Pandora Hearts then.
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>>54846762
I was going there for advice and a second opinion. There's a difference to me between that and posting my quotes there out of context here to make me look selfish.
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>>54846758
This argument's been making my head spin, so I feel I should ask from the start: Exactly what about this setting makes you think it plausibly possess a substance that provides genuinely omnipotent, limitless wishes indefinitely?
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>>54846717
Oh man that would've made me REALLY laugh.

>>54846724
That Record guy never ceases to amaze me.
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>>54840605
I feel like we should pay more attention to the fact that we didn't have a more in-depth discussion as to which waifus are the best at breasting boobily down the stairs.
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>>54846790
Really? Because what it looked like was tht you were ignoring almost everyone here, treating them as enemies and giving all the weight to the opinion of people over there, especially since you outright ignored how people here showed how the opinions of the SBers have zero evidence to back them up.
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>>54846777
For one, drawbacks are fiat enforced by the jumpchain, so the wish wouldn't be able to affect them.

>>54846777
>Also makes you even more hilariously hypocritical about keeping it canon.
What do you mean? I like it because it fits more with the flow of the story, which is all about stories and narratives driving the magic. So I was happy that someone found a way to make the item fit more with canon.
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>>54846608
>>54846724
Oh, and also? For all of these, you start at the fucking bottom. There are dozens upon dozens of beings who could push your shit in with a thought, for most of these.
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>>54846824
For one, you're not afffecting the drawbacks. You're affecting the things they cause. A drawback makes an enemy come after you? The wish lets you solve that. One enemy based drawback free each jump. You're just getting that guy killed.
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>>54846783
I think if no one has claimed it yet then it will not be claimed by then.
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>>54846538
Being human is awesome, bang a dragon today.
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>>54846824
First, answer the rest of the post please.

Second, you were the one going on about arbitrary limitations. Now you're perfectly happy with one that limits you to only using it at certain points in a story?
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>>54846824
oh my god I'm going insane

Okay Cataquack.

Put a fucking power limiter on it. No one will care beyond that. just say it can't do anything beyond that one moon feat. It's so fucking simple. It is such an easy fix that so many people said for so many times for so fucking long. It lets you keep any of the wondrous things that happened in story, since that was the top feat, and totally avoids the broken shit.

Why can you not just fucking do that?
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>>54846845
Where do these pics come from?
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>>54846842

Then I will eventually do it. Just for you, anon.
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Is this a record? By my count this wish water bullshit has gone on for 3-4 hours straight. That's longer than any of SJ's records right?
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>>54846911
Are..You cheating on FU now?
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>>54846900
A guy makes hundreds of beastiality art pics but he sprinkles these wondeeful little one off non lewds in between. I hate him.
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>Tell them to fuck off. They don't get to say "excluding Val's stuff" because Val's stuff is on the drive. I've said this before and I'll say it again, if it's canon to the setting then it's canon to the setting. You've already adjusted it to bring it down to a reasonable enough level. Trying to keep pleasing random people on /tg/ that just want to argue against it via cherry-picking arguments is not going to make you happy and it sure as fuck isn't going to actually make the jump better.

Stick. To. Your. Guns.

I love that they say this despite cherry picking themselves. C'mon fuckers, what about Val's work justifies this wish for anything item?
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>>54846496
Also, when did anyone say "excluding Val's stuff", just out of curiosity?
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>>54840804
Quirk Marriage: (Warp Gate + (Scouts + Empowered Quirk)) = Portal Ninjas.
Warp loses a ton of range if I split them up, but stacked it's just as strong as the baseline.

>"Climb in."
>"...excuse you?"
>"Please just get in the person-shaped hole in reality, okay?"

I would include a related picture, but then people'd think I was ASA.
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>>54846930
It's not cheating if they're both okay with it
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>>54846942
They didn't, that was all him. Despite the fact that everyone refuted all the arguments against Val's stuff by pointing out the complained about perks explicitly say otherwise to the complaints, he just didn't bother reading them and went with what Record said.
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>>54846911
I will prepare for a long wait. But good jumps are worth it. This has been one of the jumps that I am surprised has not been taken yet as people really seem to love the harem jumps.
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>>54846823
That wasn't how I meant to portray things there. Mostly I was made uneasy by the degree to which people were being aggressive toward me over something that I had already tried to take measures to fix. I'm sorry if I offended you.

>>54846724
I'd like to point out that many of those powers are things you can spam at a reasonable rate. The Wishwater? You can only use it once a jump. That considerably limits it compared to those in my opinion.

>>54846863
>Second, you were the one going on about arbitrary limitations. Now you're perfectly happy with one that limits you to only using it at certain points in a story?
That's because these limits are ones that would make sense in the context of the story that the jump is based on; I'm embarrassed that I didn't come up with that approach myself.

>>54846890
>No one will care beyond that. just say it can't do anything beyond that one moon feat. It's so fucking simple.
Why would anyone want to buy something that only lets you change the orbit of the moon and nothing else? Even if that's not what you meant, it's kind of vague to define what's more or less than that feat, especially when doing so required overcoming the P2C2E in place to regulate the moon; the eggheads even said, "Whatever is doing this possesses a force beyond our power to imagine, let alone control." People would still be making their own guesses on what is more or less than that.
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So am I the only one just sitting here watching everything burn with a bag of Skittles?
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>>54846900
Artist by the name of Sanzo does them. It's a pain to find a lot of his translated work though.
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>>54846824
>>54846979

Listen, The Sandman is also a story about narratives driving magic. Dream of the Endless, the embodiment of stories, is not the most powerful and absolute being in it, and even has a distant but confirmed ceiling to the scope of his influence. I've asked you straight up why you think the item in question should have indefinite scope of control and you haven't answered, although I understand you have a lot of replies to take in at the moment.

Listen to >>54846890. He's absolutely right. Wishes exist in Disney as well, and nobody minds those. I'm positive some of the Fire Emblems and the DC settings have wish macguffins too-and because they don't have clauses like "you can wish up practically anything sans consequences" or are available as CP purchases nobody minds them either.

I get the impression you're overthinking it a little much, when the main issue is that so far I at least have no reason to believe the setting you're describing warrants a wish this powerful.

>>54846979
And by the way "change the orbit of the moon" was meant as what some people call a "softcap", as a benchmark for the kind of wishes you can use it for.
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>>54846986
I haven't had Skittles in years.

I miss them.
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>>54846940
>"Trying to keep pleasing random people on /tg/ that just want to argue-"
>So yes please us, us random people on space battles, another forum board and keep the power.

Im gonna go lie down.

And we are the ""hypocrites"" mind you.
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>>54846925
Fool, you do not know of the depths of autism this board descends into periodically.

I take anything said on this board pretty lightly/ with a grain of salt. Usually the biggest of the compaliners just want to get a rise out of people
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>>54846986
Nah, same here. I'd contemplate my Nardo build update, but I'm in the middle of an online revision course and I don't wanna multitask that much.

>>54847000
I don't think I've ever had skittles in my life, actually. I've always wondered what they taste like.
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>>54846979
>Only change the orbit of the moon
....wow really? people did not say only that. They said nothing stronger than that.

So not knowing means you should just make it able to do anything? Everyone else seems to manage power limits just fine. Even that lady you hate so much Val seems to manage the Fate series just fine.
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>>54846930

I'm what I am. I can't be with just one waifu. It's not enough to satisfy me.

Yes, I will make the whole anon posters my waifus.

>>54846959

There is not much to work with, but I hope I can make a decent one.
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>>54845571
Alter or Jalter being embarrassed
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>>54846979
>Point out
CW, that doesn't matter much when you can just wish for all those powers. It's not limited at all.
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>>54847000
Skittles are pretty nice, except the grape ones they're bad.

I really don't like artificial grape flavoring for some reason, what about you Heavens?
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>>54846986
Kind of. I'm sitting here trying to think of a good name for an item. What would you call a ship (spaceship, to be specific, using a combination nuclear thermal/mass driver/magnetosail propulsion system) whose first ship of the line was named the Odin? Do you continue the theme by going for other Norse gods, or by going for other sky father gods? I want to give the option to buy your own Odin, but I don't know what to call the ship.
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>>54847000
Go and grab some Heavens we will still be here. You can have this Skittles board but you will have to pry them off, remember you needed worthy opponents
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>>54846925
This >>54847015, the first SJ incident had some considerable aftershock into the next thread. And it was still shorter than the Vampire Diaries debacle. Which in turn was less intense than some of the multi-thread arguments we've had among ourselves way back.

Don't be so quick to declare a new record for /jc/ salt, that's no easy achievement.
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>>54846956
I paraphrased, okay? People from what I could tell wanted more concrete examples besides Val's, and my headache from all this mess meant that I wasn't in a good state of mind to look for them myself.
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>>54846979
>I'd like to point out that many of those powers are things you can spam at a reasonable rate. The Wishwater? You can only use it once a jump. That considerably limits it compared to those in my opinion.
I was referring to the version that wasn't narratively-based, but as it was, you could easily wish for spammable abilities far beyond any of those examples. At least once per jump.
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>>54846979
The arguments would end if you just put the power limit on. It can still accomplish a vast array of things. You could probably even lighten the load on some other things. People have shown you that there are other wish items that do this and get accepted.

For holy christ's sake, even one of your own SB guys pointed out that the genie has this same limitation to you.
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>>54847055
Paraphrased and ignored that Val's examples don't even work?
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>>54847055
...Okay. So, here's my two cents.

You agree with... whatever passes for logic with SB. So do the jump as you (and they) want.

AND KEEP IT THERE. DON'T BRING IT UP HERE AGAIN.

Easy, right?
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>>54847049
I'm Decade not Eidolon you pop tart
>>54847045
I like the cherry ones best but that's because I'm a plebeian. Not a fan of the lemon ones. WHICH TEND TO BE THE MOST PLENTIFUL FOR SOME REASON.
>>54847016
Artificial fruit flavoring and sugar, really. It's a guilty pleasure.
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>>54847046
Well the term "sky father" isn't just a Marvel invention, in IRL mythological studies its used to refer to folks like Zeus and Odin and Dyaus Pita who are in charge of their pantheons, and vaguely associated with the sky.

You could pick from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_father or just call the item "The Skyfather" and let people pick their own god name for it if they like?
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>>54847055
This >>54847086 .

Even some of your SBitches agree.
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>>54847046
I'm seconding calling the item The Skyfather and letting us christen it whatever god we prefer.
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>>54846445
>pissing off Berkut by stealing Rinea

Excellent.
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>>54847071
Well, a cursory wiki search brings up the Hringhorni, a ship made for Baldr, one of Odins sons, that was described as the "greatest of all ships".

Maybe that? There are only like four mythological Norse ships and two are basically word spaghetti
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Okay, I think I found a way for the narrative-based focus to work without making it ripe for abuse:

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible. If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could move planetary bodies to bring sunlight, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more. This also means that the Wishwater’s wish acts to fulfill the story, so you will have increasing difficulty if you try to use the wish for “cheating” purposes rather than something that satisfies the conventions of the story you are in. Therefore, your Benefactor has the authority to cancel any wish that he/she feels makes things too easy. So while you could wish for something to overpower your greatest foe in a dramatic battle, wishing for unlimited power so you can easily kill him and everyone else in your way is hardly likely to work. Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control, so no wishing for things like extra CP, perk changes, or extra discounts. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

Is it okay now?
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What sorts of items would you guys like to see in Fables?
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>>54847112
>SBitches

Made me chuckle. have a (You)
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I have no idea what's going on but I have a feeling that only one or two people are actually arguing.
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>>54847172
no
no
no
no

Just put a power limiter on. Do not make it an item that can win against your greatest foe. That was SPECIFICALLY WHAT SOMEONE JUST WARNED YOU AGAINST.

You're not even listening to us.

Please just put the fucking power limit on. That's all it needs.

Christ you complained about the power limiter being too vague and then you try and use 'the benefactor will stop anything she thinks makes things too easy' as a limit.
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>>54847174
If I remember right, didn't the Adversary have a magic forest that he wood from to make his puppets? Maybe a copy of that would work?
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>>54847096
>>54847122
>Well the term "sky father" isn't just a Marvel invention, in IRL mythological studies its used to refer to folks like Zeus and Odin and Dyaus Pita who are in charge of their pantheons, and vaguely associated with the sky.
Yeah, I know, that's why I used the term. This is a hard sci-fi jump I'm working on, cosmic space gods have no place here. And I guess letting people name their own would work. That could be fun. Though that does raise an issue with another item I wanted to include. It's going to be a space elevator. Probably going to be pretty expensive, but the Meru space elevator being built is key to the setting so I want to include it. And I just want my own space elevator, if I'm being completely honest. Anyways, I was thinking of calling the one you can buy either the Qaf (for another sacred mountain) or the Aksheyavat (another really tall thing in Hinduism). Should I instead have the item just be "The World-Pillar", or something like that?

>>54847145
I think this was meant to be directed at me, right? And that could work. The Odin does wind up being destroyed, in the series, so another ship named after a god who dies isn't that much bad luck.
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>>54847174
>>54847199
got* wood from

Fuck.
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>>54847172
You know why I mentioned it still needing a power limiter so you couldn't just use it to get out of the worst situation or kill your greatest enemy? Because that was too good for something you could do every single jump.

But then you go and use that exact thing as an example. Are you trolling? Is this specifically to fuck with us?
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>>54847172
Personally, it seems fine to me.

As for this >>54847195 , you would actually have a point if you wanted to accuse us of hypocrisy for disallowing it now, as Black Barrel from Angel Notes does exactly that.
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>>54847174
Woodsman's axe. Not even necessarily for special abilities, it just seems like a classy weapon.

That one tree that can be harvested for bootleg Glamours.

A stealthy extradimensional house.

A glass that can be used to harmlessly glass people.

A scrying mirror

I'm sorry, I've only played The Wolf Among Us
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>>54847201
>mfw I just realized that mistake
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>>54847174
Blue's wishing cloak would be a good one.

Ambrose's armor, also good.

Same with the Blue Fairy's magic wood, or even an entire forest of the trees.

Giant beanstalk seeds.

A vorpal blade to go snicker-snack.

A knocking box like that trapped the Dark Man.

Flying carpet-powered airship.
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>>54847239
What? What the fuck are you on about? Black Barrel has a completely different effect. It gives a scaling amount of damage based on the supernatural power of your foe but it doesn't even fully defeat something hit by it. How is that anything like this?
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What are the best perks for accelerating progress in training? I'm looking at the new Uzumaki scenario in Naruto, and it looks like I'm going to have to git gud fast in order to turn the tide.
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>>54847201
Call the other ship Balder! What could possibly go wrong?!
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>>54847172
We do have something like that. Something that costs a 1000CP and can only be used once period. Do not offer something that can solve any situation without limit like that. Not if it's going to replenish.
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>>54847239
>Hypocrisy
>Black Barrel doesn't even do that
>Black Barrel both doesn't defeat things always and is limited to just defeating them and not anything
Fuck off SBer
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>>54847239
That's not what the Black Barrel does.
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>>54847172
This description now feels like it's breaking the immersion you used to justify scaling the effects up by so much in the first place. I've asked you several times how a limitless wish is canonically supported-not implied, but outright confirmed-by your setting and you haven't answered.

To be honest I don't know why you haven't used >>54847195's suggestion already, it's the simplest solution and doesn't exactly misrepresent the setting if it still does what it does in canon, it just treats that as an upper limit for a possible feat.
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>>54847243
>A glass that can be used to harmlessly glass people.
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>>54847249
You just reminded me.

For those of you who are interested in the LWA jump, apparently the Japanese twitter just revealed that sufficiently powerful witches turn into trees.

And before you flip out, it's not "when your magic stat hits the cap you turn to wood on the spot," you gradually become tree-like as you grow in power, and when you finally hit the end of your life you completely turn. Also, your soul becomes a magic force-ghost thing.
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>>54846445
You stole Berkut's waifu and taunted him about it, this is perhaps the most fiendish thing that you could have done to him.

Good Work!
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>>54847329
>gradually become tree-like as you grow in power
TREE POWERS, ACTIVATE!
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Is making your time in each world interesting an actual rule, or do some people just lock themselves up and game for ten years?
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>>54847261
>>54847292
>doesn't even fully defeat something hit by it
No, it doesn't kill the specific example of Aristoteles because they lack the concept of death and the Black Barrel lacks the capacity to apply it. For beings which don't possess that property, there's little reason that level of damage shouldn't kill them.
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>>54847172
I get that it's an important macguffin, but maybe just don't offer it. Sometimes it's not worth wading through shitstorms for the sake of one item.
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>>54847261
>>54847294
Not him but I'd also like to point out that the Black Barrell didn't really even fully destroy the thing it was fired at. Sure it put it into a permanent coma by enforcing the concept of Earthly death on it, but it's body can still eat corpses or release population killing angels if it moves too much and it's mind became one with the hopes and dreams of the native life.
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>>54847329
That's very cool
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>>54847387
Depends on what they derive their durability from. Like, a science-based super monster would be only harmed a little, since it scales to their supernatural energy and such a monster would have little to none.
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>>54847387
Really? Because the jump maker seems to disagree in the fucking description they wrote you imbecile.
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>>54847378
It's a house-rule supported by the very first jumps and enforced in a few besides them.

Barring that, just game interestingly. Plenty of e-celebs are apparently "interesting" enough to have a massive following.
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>>54847320
I was actually one of the (apparently few) people who knew what [Glass Him] actually meant, and didn't do it.

I lost my sides when I found out how many people didn't know that's supposed to be an attack, not a friendly gesture.
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>>54847378
Entertaining the Benefactor is meant to be the reason you're chosen to go to Pokemonland, and if you're interesting enough, jump other settings. Some people don't care about that, and that's fine. Others try to argue anything they do is entertaining to the Benefactor by default, otherwise they wouldn't become Jumper, instead of just saying they don't want to play that way.
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>>54847378
It's not really a rule, but the premise is that you're supposed to be entertaining your Benefactor. You're breaking the spirit of the rules, if not the letter.
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>>54847416
Yep. That's right.

>>54847417
No, they don't. It says it increases in damage based on the supernatural power of the target, and tells you what effects that would have on the Aristoteles, as part of the example. It's never implied to be an all-encompassing rule. Go read it again.
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>>54847387
Whoops, didn't notice you already covered it. I think you're only half right though, doesn't the gun's power scale in proportion to the inherent lifespan of the target? So like >>54847416 wouldn't be that hurt if it just lives 40-60 years or so, but a thousand year old guardian dragon spirit would probably bite the dust, you killer queen
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>>54847417
Really? Let's look at the description.
>The Second Original, found next to its sibling weapon. This Black Barrel is an immensely powerful conceptual weapon, one of the few things that can reliably defeat even the Aristoteles. It is an enormous black rifle that is made from a special anti-grain material. Any being with grain in them cannot even touch the gun, regardless of their power, though you seem to be the single exception. Known as the God Killer, the gun fires a single bullet that becomes more powerful the more grain to be found in the body of its target. Against one of the Aristoteles, it can defeat them in a single shot, though it should be noted the difference between defeat and kill is quite large indeed. In future worlds, this grain will instead count as any supernatural being or energy. The greater the power of a supernatural target, the greater the bullet will become.
You're kinda full of shit. But that's to be expected. Yes, wohoo, the gun can defeat ridiculously magical things in one hit. You'll note that the gun is dependent upon actually hitting and is not a fiat backed win. It merely inflicts massive damage against a specific subset of foes instead of auto winning any one thing each jump.
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>>54847467
So...why would you assume it auto kills anyone else then? If it can only defeat them in one shot, not even really defeating them since it's perfectly fine really, why would you assume it does more to others? Where in the item does it say it scales that high?
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>>54847512
I'm AGREEING WITH YOU MORON.

I was pointing out the other guy was an imbecile for saying it auto kills any supernatural opponent.
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Are there any perks or weapon upgrades that can reduce the projectile travel time of a ranged weapon to zero, so the projectile instantly arrives?
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Black Barrel doesn't auto defeat or kill anything supernatural. It scales with the more supernatural energy/power something has, but most of the time really strong beings are as tough as they are strong. The best you will get in these cases, where somethings durability or toughness increases with it's magical power, is severely injuring it/knocking it out of the fight for a time, depending on it's other abilities.

In the case of beings that do not have their durability scale with their power, and they're not boosting it some other way such as through an active use of their power (Mage using reinforcement to boost it), then yes it may be able to kill something with sufficient magical power. But those are fairly rare.

It is a really good weapon, even against scaling durability guys, because of the damage it can still do but for most foes it is not a game ender. it's also not immune to a variety of abilities that could deflect, negate or otherwise destroy the bullet. Nor does it have infinite range, it's still just a rifle.
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>>54847550
Sorry, had read that badly.
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>>54847604
That's okay. I imagine a lot of us are on stress levels.
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>>54847480
Black Barrel Replica scales to natural life span, Black Barrel Original scales to the Grain (magic space dust from the inside of the world) within the target.
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>Yes. Val seems to get a pass for a lot of stuff that others don't for some reason.

Even SJ-Chan thinks it. They really are all hypocrites, huh?
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>>54847602
If you merged it with a melee weapon, would it be able to impart its effects on-hit, or would you still need to shoot stuff with it?
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>>54847592
Not that I'm aware of, though you can simulate something similar with portals, space warping, and/or time dilation on the bullet.
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>>54847635
Hmm. Yeah, think it should work. It's made of the material so contact with it should effectively accomplish the same effect.

Should probably be careful who you loan it to though, you're the only one with the fiat protection from it's effects even if you have supernatural power.
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>>54847659
Aight, thanks.
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>>54847602
Doesn't it also negate the Grain/Ether/Supernatural in the target?
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>>54847199
>>54847220
He did. The trees were, IIRC, highly magical by themselves in addition to being high-quality wood. I'd just need to find something to offer to replace the Blue Fairy's magic so that they can be animated.

>>54847243
It's all good.

>>54847256
>Knocking Box
That reminds me; would people be interested in a "suicide" box for themselves, like all the Great Powers have?

Thanks for the ideas, guys!
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>>54847680
I believe so?
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>>54847659
Question about "supernatural" as used here - Is this specifically in relation to "magic" or would it also apply to, for example, the alien biological reality warping of the Entities and their Shards from Worm, or Kryptonian "superpowers"?
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>>54847592
How big is the projectile? TNG/DS9 has a sniper rifle that can teleport bullets directly to your target, you may be able to reverse engineer the technology and add it to the gun you want.
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>>54847659
Does it work to dispel magical effects and items, or is it just meant to be used against supernatural beings?
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>>54847706
It has to be supernatural in the magic/ki/etc sense. Those things are supernatural for us, natural in their worlds. Er, you know what I mean. It's just biology/tech, not explicitly magic bullshit.
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>>54847723
Just against beings, though I imagine it'd also do more damage to magical objects too. I don't believe it has any abilities to dispelling magic.
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>>54847592
I think one of the superweapons from Blazblue technically does that? Arcum Dei Odin or something?

Speaking of which, could someone who actually knows shit about Blazblue tell me if the Murakumo perk is worth it? It looks cool and all, but fighting games make it hard to gauge actual power and shit.
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>>54847602
You know, it occurred to me that if you take Ultimate One and Ultimate Lifeform, you could be the Ultimate Ultimate Lifeform.

I just thought that was funny.
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>>54847733
So I can carry it around without worrying about it destroying enchanted equipment?
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>>54847757
Well. You'll probably want to keep it in a case.
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>>54847703
So unless their toughness is not the result of their supernatural power, and it usually is, they are fucked right?
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>>54847773
Keep in mind there's also stuff like regeneration/not needing a head/etc.
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>>54847763
>Jumper forgets how Black Barrel works
>Here, hold this
>Jumper hands Black Barrel to a companion
>Companion begins screaming in pain
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>>54847793
Yes but their supernatural power has been evaporated by the Black Barrel, since those abilities are probably powered by supernatural power they are still fucked.
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>>54847735
The only thing I know is Murakumos can directly connect to the boundary to harness 'virtually unlimited amounts of power' and from the sound of the perk it sounds like we have something like Mu-12 with the ranged lazer blasts.
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>>54847773
Generally, unless they have a way to deflect or dodge the bullet or even pass through it unharmed. Their toughness will make them more able to survive the damage the bullet deals but unless they're unnaturally, extremely tough for whatever level of supernatural power they have, the bullet will pierce through their defences. They can still regenerate from the damage or other such things, though this is a lot harder if you just shoot them several times in succession.
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>>54847804
This sounds like a great way to mess with enemies by pretending to trip and drop the weapon, thereby making them pick it up to use against you.
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>>54845116
[Fire Emblem Valentia, redux]

Drawbacks: Echoes of the Past and Future, No Alcohol, Curse of the Necrodragons, Wanted by Rigel (1600)

Scenario: What Lurks In The Labyrinth Of Thabes

Zofia: The Islands, Lord

Mila's Bounty (Free)
The Earth Mother's Cooking (1500)
A Hero's Duties (Free)
Reunited At The Crossroads Of Fate (Free)
A Hero's Fire (1400)
My Hero (1300)
Rare Talent As Both Mage And Fighter (1100)
With Mila's Divine Protection (900)
Mila's Divine Power (600)
A New Ally: Sonya (500)
Golden Apple Tree (100)
Farm (0)
Gold Hilted Dagger (Free)
Crate of Ram's Wine (Free)

I suppose nothing changes much, other than having slightly more cheese to enjoy while watching my ultimate lifeform I'd pieced together from stolen lore (and apples, and dragon corpses) slowly gestate. Occasionally psychically patting the biogenesis vat it sleeps in, teaching it all the standard Fire Emblem hero of justice codes of conduct.

I wonder how the Thanatophages get used in Dragonscape's "strive to usher this world into an age of peace and prosperity" mandate? Maybe they bind with it's hyperevolutionary slurry, and walk up to people offering to crawl inside them in exchange for biological immortality? Judging by the number of grown men in armor running away from small bugs, that idea doesn't seem very popular.

It took all of my cosmic PR to convince Marth that the shambling pile of dragon bodyparts slithering under his kingdom is definitely a net positive for the world instead of a bonus boss.

>Your highness, I don't see the problem here
>IT LOOKS LIKE DUMA BUT SO MUCH WORSE
>No really, Dragonscape's blood is safe and nutritious to drink, and if you have any border security problems it can spawn dragon-apple forest-reefs to defend your country
>NO PLEASE I MEAN ALL OUR MILITARY RIVALS HAVE ALREADY RETREATED
>Ah yes, it is also a very good public speaker
>THEY LITERALLY DROPPED EVERYTHING AND RAN AWAY
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Is there anything that keeps conflicting abilities from conflicting? Not where you can only have one thing, or having more than one thing kills you, but where you can have both things without any complications whatsoever... but when you try to use them, they're either weakened or harmful. Like Espers and magic from To Aru and similar things.
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What I really want to do with Angel Notes is combo Knight's Armoury with the Soul Eater perk that lets you empower yourself with your courage, so that I can literally wield a weapon made out of my courage. Or maybe swing something with the Madness of Boobs so you can create a weapon born from your obsession with boobs.

I don't know if that's how those perks work, but it sounds like a cool idea.
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>>54847865
Doesn't that chaos perk from Shadow Realm do that? It lets you use conflicting powers/energies or something.
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>>54847727
So the Original would be just a gun against Wolverine, Superman or Scion, but would be more than that against Goku, Zelretch or Madara?
(Biology vs manipulating energies via techniques)
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>>54847628
It's a simple fact. We let our own namefags get away with shit that an anon or SBer would get chewed out over. You can bet if Heavens or Val put that wishwater item in a jump the thread would be full of people talking about what a CP vampire the jumpmaker is and asking whether the mind control limitation meant they couldn't use it to collect more waifus.
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>>54847886
>Spoiler
Issei, go back to DxD.
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>>54847894
Given you guys couldn't give any examples, it seems like you're just salty.
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>>54847804
>Jumper imports Black Barrel as a Demon Weapon in Soul Eater
>Weapon inherits the inability to touch people with supernatural energies
>Has to avoid touching a lot of people
>Can't even touch themselves
>Angst follows
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>>54847837
Yes, but isn't that all dependent on those abilities not relying on supernatural power that was negated by the Black Barrel?

I mean if they could survive a bullet because of magic healing the wound, that doesn't really help them when the magic is gone. I thought the whole mechanism behind black barrel is that it just disintegrates any Gain/Ether (or post jump supernatural stuff in general) that it touches thus completely fucking over anything that has a significant portion of themselves relying on Grain/Ether/Supernatural stuff.
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>>54847602
>Black Barrel
. . . why's it gotta be black?
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>>54847889
Yeah, that's about right.

>>54847886
Sounds pretty awesome anon. Go for it.
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>>54847894
Heavens is an SBer, though.
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>>54847195
>Christ you complained about the power limiter being too vague and then you try and use 'the benefactor will stop anything she thinks makes things too easy' as a limit.
That's because I thought that it would settle the issue and imply that you couldn't go overboard. I honestly thought that this was what you wanted me to do; my head's a little not there after all this back-and-forth.

And technically, the wish in-setting was used to defeat the Big Bad (well, half of him).

What if I added that the degree of success depends on how much the wish would be satisfactory in the context of the story, with things that make it too easy not working, or taking more time to focus on the wish?

For instance, the wish could be used against your greatest foe, but only after a satisfying battle or being captured, and everything is on the line? Add in that you can only use the wish once per jump (and the limits on the item would mean that you can't wish for something that solves everything for you), and I think that the wish might be able to solve a single problem for you in the jump, but fail to account for other problems that you're facing at the same time.

Or how about this? I could say that the wish is limited to fulfilling things that are reasonably possible within the context of the setting. So something like making the moon shift orbit could still work since it's something that could happen (just unlikely), but something that warps reality or alters history or gives you all sorts of powers would fail because it couldn't be fulfilled without the wish.
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>>54847909
When I think about you I touch myself and scream in agony.
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>>54847735
The Black Beast shrugged off nukes when it first appeared, the Murakumo Units were late-comers to the Black Beast killing party, and... okay I have no idea where I'm going with this. Wiki says they've got virtually infinite power but I'm sensing it's more of a stamina thing than a raw power thing.

Probably not worth dealing with Relius, regardless, unless you already plan on fucking him up.
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>>54847886
>Madness of Boobs
You know, I've always wondered what kind of Clowns would be created from this. About the only thing I can think of (knowing Crona) is an army of eldritch MILFs with huge tits that bear a suspicious resemblance to Medusa, Marie, and maybe Maka.
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So! The Naruto update. Having looked it over, I think it really comes down to 2 big questions:

1. Is being part of the alien bunny goddess clan a bad idea? On the one hand, it does sound like a lot of hassle. On the other hand, once Vegeta and Nappa are dealt with going on a road trip through ninja space might be fun?

2. Anko, Y/N? On the one hand, my sensei is Orochimaru. On the other hand, from what I've been told having actual genetics explained to him might get him to chill a lot quicker. Also from what I can tell I am basically a drunker version of Anko for most of the jump.

...I am unsure whether this makes it a better or worse idea.

>>54846821
I at least haven't had to worry about that problem, because I've found that special chair and harness fat people use to go up and down stares handily solves the problem.

>>54846538
I got kicked out of team dragon for having a superfluous humanoid Stand-like torso looming above my cybernetic Kalameet 2.0 body. Also for being too angelic and divine.

>>54847840
Black Barrell hot potato IS a viable fighting style! If you have gunkata, or some of the variants out there at least.
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>>54847907
I don't have an SB account.

and Pulling Powers Out Her Ass.
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Class Lover (Jumper) (50)
Discount Charisma and Noble Phantasm

Attributes
Strength E
Endurance E
Agility E
Mana E
Luck E
Noble Phantasm EX

Skills
Charisma -->EX (300)
Golden Rule: Body C -->A (100)
Grace of God -->A (250)
Manifestation of Beauty A (250)
Pheromones A (250)
Rosy Cheeked Adonis A (250)

Noble Phantasm
EX Rank Anti-Unit Harem Building NP, Targets 1~1000 (350)

Total SP Cost: 1800
Payout: Priceless
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>>54847933
Dude, you've fucked up this rollout past the point of salvation. You're shown that you're more interested in and biased toward SB's feedback, so just post it on their drive. It's that simple.
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>>54847912
It doesn't get rid of all their abilites overall, just what hits the bullet. It'll tear through a whole lot of supernatural durability depending on how much supernatural power the being has, but it won't remove their durability from their entire body.

>>54847916
Because it's a big, long, menacing....rifle.
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>>54847903
>It has the highest raw stats of any weapon in all of fiction
>It's a gag weapon that's incapable of inflicting damage because boobs are, by their nature, nurturing instead of destructive
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>>54847907
Late to this shibang, but:

Pulling Powers Out Of Her Ass
Ultimate Lifeform
The God of High School
The bullshit surrounding Dragon Ball Multiverse.
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>>54847933
Or what if you just had a power limiter. That fixes it. That stops it being this solve everything power you seem to want it to be. That lets it do everything it could in setting without stomping over every other setting.

Just. Add. A. Power. Limiter.

Your "Benefactor stops anything" isn't a limiter. You still explicitly said you could beat even your greatest foes with it, you just couldn't get things that lasted longer, even though the sword example directly contradicted it.

Just add a power limiter that can support things up to that moon moving event. That's it. All you need to do.
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>>54847933
If it's not obvious by now, your Wish stuff isn't gonna be accepted no matter what you do.

But I have one request: When you retreat to SB, please, /please/ take ASA with you. We'll even drug him first.
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>>54847945
Two ways I think it could go:

Normal, attractive women with huge boobs
or
Nightmarish mish-mashes of sexual imagery.

Probably they'd start out looking like the first, then change into the second.
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>>54847945
I'm pretty sure Plague of Gribes has drawn the elusive Breast Clown at least once. Otherwise, I'd imagine Harley Quinn but with more fizzly madness static around them.

>>54847886
Well, for me the big sell of that perk is that it lets you make KNIGHT LINERS out of the energies rather than ordinary swords but-if you want an additional blade works I'd just like to point out The Power of Love from Scott Pilgrim also lets you make weapons out of courage/boobs passion.

>Jumper earned The Power of Boobs!
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>>54847948
People already responded to that. Hell, they did it in advance.

>>54847981
None of which are nigh omnipotence.

PPOOHA would need infinite power and energy to count, something you'd know if you read the thread instead of shitposting.

Ultimate Lifeform doesn't do anything of the sort.

Nothing in God of High School comes close to this.

Again, nothing in Multiverse comes close to this. It's not even the strongest dragonball jump.
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>>54847933
Is the thing about only being usable as a climax to the story actually canon? Because at this point I'd probably be better off finding some normal wishwater on my own in setting.

But regardless, how "satisfactory in the context of the story" isn't a meaningful statement. The context of what kind of story? A realistic one? A shitty Mary Sue fanfic where the protagonist is utterly invincible? Anything might or might not fit into a story, based on who's writing it and how. Just cap it to the level of feats it's seen producing in canon.
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>>54847947
>If you have gunkata
... Now I want a pair of Black Barrel Grammaton Pistols.
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>>54847947
1. I think it's less Ninja Space and more like different dimensions. As far as I remember, Kaguya came from another dimension, as did the duo from the Boruto movie. So you wouldn't be travelling through space so much as you would be visiting different dimensions.

2. For this one, you might want to take an early start and keep Orochimaru from going full on Ninja Mengele in the first place. Because Anko is never going to forgive him after he does all the horrible shit he did before the show started.
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>>54847933
Just fucking stop already. Post your own shit on your own site. You guys love soulless powergrabs, so that's where this belongs
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>>54847961
amaze
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Do you think a set of matched daggers, or similar small weapons would be acceptable with just one purchase of Chakra Weapon in Naruto?
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>>54847963
Hey Val, if someone else with supernatural power tried to touch the Black Barrel, would it just seriously wound them? Or would there be some kind of repulsion effect?
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>>54848020
Saw that movie recently actually. The gunkata was so cool...and the movie was ruined by how little there was compared to it's constant talking and long run time. Man just put some more badass gunfights in, there's so little and so much boring.

Also didn't really like the surprise bad guy reveal at the end, Pertwee makes a much cooler/more handsome villain and it was a bit obvious.

Why yes this was just bitchin about the movie
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>>54848048
It'd seriously wound them but I don't believe it'd repel them. Or at least there's nothing to indicate such.
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>>54847962
I do care about feedback here. I do trust SB more, but that's partially because I can identify specific users, whereas here I'm always wondering if people are really unanimously against me or if it's just a couple vocal individuals.

I do not entirely agree with the treatment of the item here, but I have found reasonable thoughts in some of the arguments, and I am sincerely trying to make things work. So please, hear me out.

>>54847933
>Or how about this? I could say that the wish is limited to fulfilling things that are reasonably possible within the context of the setting. So something like making the moon shift orbit could still work since it's something that could happen (just unlikely), but something that warps reality or alters history or gives you all sorts of powers would fail because it couldn't be fulfilled without the wish.
Would this acceptably limit the item? I don't want the item to be abused, so I want to set some decent boundaries but the wish embodies the freedom of water, and I feel that being too restrictive would ruin the feel of the jump. Maybe it's just me, but that's the way I feel.
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How nasty would a bolt gun with the same properties as the Black Barrel be? These negate your supernatural defenses. Also they explode and fire at full auto.
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>>54848011
PPOOHA is like this in that it takes a valid in setting example and uses the no limits fallacy to expand it to being being nigh-omnipotent and the constraints on what you can do with the power are easily worked around by the power itself. The only difference is that you can't actual attain quasi-omnipotence with PPOOHA in the context of the chain because you can't use it to give you more energy at a fast enough rate to finish in the timeframe of a chain.
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>>54848058
Cataquack. just put on the power limit. Stop trying to make this something that scales to the setting or goes far and away beyond what it can do in it's original setting.

Just let it do what it does in canon and that's it. It's already really good for that setting at those limits. You already have plenty of freedom when your max power is moving a small celestial body.

Freedom does not need to mean no limits on the max power or that the limit scales so it's always awesome in every setting.

Just add a power limit.
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>>54847961
I feel like pointing out Jumpers do not get discounts on NPs. Unless I am using an out of date supplement.
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>>54847961
>Endurance E
You dun goof
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>>54848075
So...it can't actually do what you were complaining about whereas the wish item could just give me that power but near infinitely better from the get go.
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>>54848050
If you enjoyed the gunkata in Equilibrium, but weren't a fan of the plotting, check out Ultraviolet. It's done by the same guy, and he perfects his gunkata shtick in that movie.

It's super thin on plot, but the visuals are fantastic, there are some gadgets in there that'll get you thinking, and Milla Jovovich knows how to do action.
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>>54848014
>Is the thing about only being usable as a climax to the story actually canon? Because at this point I'd probably be better off finding some normal wishwater on my own in setting.
That's how the wish was used in the canon, and it would fit rather well with the setting's theme of stories and creativity.

I see what you mean with the Mary Sue example, though; if I did the whole thing about it needing to be something feasibly possible in that setting, and said that by "story" I mean a literary masterpiece-level story and not some cheap power-grab, would that work?
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>>54848079
They can use their attribute discount on an NP because their highest ranking NP is an attribute.
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>>54847961
>Endurance E
>No Riding
It's like you don't love your waifus.
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>>54848058
How does applying a canon restriction to something ruin the feel of the jump? Surely there's no one in Haroun and the Sea Stories who ever got the idea to wish for the power to do anything except make tea, or else the setting would be full of omnipotent gods. The fact that wish water is limited is a part of the setting, based on the fact that no one has ever taken advantage of it being limitless
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>>54848058
Just go back to SB. You've been circling for hours trying to find a way to slip in your macguffin and can't understand what the word no means.
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>>54848101
....I need to go change my build now, thanks.
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>>54848095
Fuckin love Ultraviolet. Saw it years and years ago and it's still great. It knows what it does best and it guns for that stuff all movie long.

...it's also nice and small and compact...
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>>54848025
Oh. Are they...scenic dimensions? I thought they came from space since from what I was told the NEET of the clan is living all alone on the moon.

Early start-would that be the The Third Shinobi War drawback? Definitely wanna do that. I'm in no fit state to explain psychology, but I'm probably lucid enough to get genetics across before some unnecessarily dead ninjas come to light.

>Jumper, being dragged out of yet another pub for drunk, disorderly taijutsu, shouts over his shoulder BY THE WAY HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAKING AN ACADEMIC DISCIPLINE BY STUDYING CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS EXPERIENCES?
>Sakura's brow furrows in confusion
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>>54848077
And I'm trying to give a power limit with the idea of it being something that could feasibly/reasonably happen/be accomplished by you without the wish in the setting. But I'm not getting much feedback on whether or not that would work.
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>>54848058
>I do care about feedback here...
>now watch as I once again ignore all the feedback on my speshul waifu-item
Just get rid of the item. You're demonstrating that you have no ability to be objective about it, you're blatantly ignoring feedback on here about it, so just remove it. Plenty of other jumps don't have the super macguffin available for CP. You don't need to cite the exception and try to use that to force this in. It's not going to be accepted.

Drop the item and your jump will be looked at with greater seriousness.
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>>54848089
Yes, that's why the wish water item is a much MUCH worse example of the same mistake.

>>54848096
Literary masterpieces focus on clever word choice and metaphor, not on how well it handles shounen bullshit power scaling. There's no reasonable way to define "a story" that won't be completely unclear and require you to step in to adjudicate every single wish people want to make.
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>>54848096
>literary masterpiece

Not when there's a few literary masterpieces out there that depict acts od divine intervention. Still just gonna strongly recommend the suggested power limit as the simplest solution.
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>>54848096
Realize that the more you try to limit it, the more likely the SBers are to bitch at you for giving in. You've already frustrated this community, you might as well just keep it over there and not piss off another. Because they'll be really mad that you took away their unlimited-power granter.
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>>54848096
Wasn't your defence against the power limiter how vague that would be? Look at how vague all these conditions you are adding on are. How subjective each one is to both the story and the setting it's in.

Adding a power limit is so much more simple.
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>>54848125
You're good people, Val. If I'm ever in Upside Down Hellverse Deathworld I'd love to have a drink and a laugh.
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>>54848133
But that locks you out from doing the things it does in canon, unless you're saying that the guy who wished to move the moon was strong enough to have moved the moon on his own. Don't make it scale to what you can do, lock it down to the level of power it was shown using in canon.
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>>54847963
>Because it's a big, long, menacing....rifle.

>>54848125
>...it's also nice and small and compact...

>tfw not sure if sempai is a size queen or not
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>>54848133
It would not work, because that's a constantly changing, vague and unclear limitation. A power limit is not. It's not changing every single jump, it's not potentially horribly broken depending on the setting. It just lets you do what this wish can do in canon.
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>>54848112
Dude. He's trying to limit it in way that it isn't TOO limited, GIVEN IT'S THE MAIN FEATURE OF THE SETTING. He is trying to fit it to the setting, but is struggling. If you don't like the way it's worded, suggest a different wording? He is trying to PREVENT this from becoming a win button, but wants to stay true to the setting. You know, like someone who actually likes the setting that they are making a jump for?
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>>54848133
Drop the item or go back to SB. We don't need any more variations on your I'm Listening But Not Really single
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One more try, please? After all this pressuring, I've given a power limit that matches the canon.

Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. The overall power limit of the wish is to drastically alter the orbit of a moon that was being kept in a different orbit through magical/scientific powers beyond normal comprehension, but overall you are restricted by the context of the story and narrative. As it is drawn directly from the Sea Of Stories, Wishwater can only be used at an appropriate point in the narrative of your journey; and it can only be used to solve a narrative problem, by the least effort possible. If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could move planetary bodies to bring sunlight, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself. If you crucially needed star-metal to make a villain-slaying sword, exactly enough star-metal would fall into your hands to make the sword, and not a gram more. This also means that the Wishwater’s wish acts to fulfill the story, so you will have increasing difficulty if you try to use the wish for “cheating” purposes rather than something that satisfies the conventions of the story you are in; for instance, wishes in a setting where the story (assuming you weren’t there) is about building up strength on your own would be more likely to work if it guided you to things that could help you become stronger than wishes that would immediately empower you. Wishwater cannot interact with the areas under your Benefactor's control, so no wishing for things like extra CP, perk changes, or extra discounts. I'd explain how, but it's a P2C2E. After the wishwater is used to make a single wish, the bottle will go empty, and it will not refill until the next jump. Neither the bottle nor the liquid can be duplicated in any way.

Please let me know whether or not this works.
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>>54848157
Sounds like fun.

>>54848173
I can evolve to match the situation.
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>>54848205
Are the environments created by the Aristoteles the actual landscapes of their planets, or are they just based on their themes? For example, would it be possible to get a landscape that resembles a mundane Earth?
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>>54847947
>Is being part of the alien bunny goddess clan a bad idea?
Just get a spaceship, go around between planets the normal way instead of Rinnegan teleportation.

>Anko, Y/N? On the one hand, my sensei is Orochimaru. On the other hand, from what I've been told having actual genetics explained to him might get him to chill a lot quicker. Also from what I can tell I am basically a drunker version of Anko for most of the jump.
Orochimaru already understands genetics, he's great at it. Where'd you get the idea he doesn't?
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>>54847028
I always thought of it as an early jump. It doesn't need too much fancy powers. All it needs to be is a small slice of peace for early jumpers to pick up a small harem of Seiren women. Because in the end, isn't that why we all started jumping? Women, women, powers, and more women.
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>>54848176
We have. Over and over and over. We've said to lock it to what it can do in setting. For HOURS.

>>54848193
Finally.

That said, you'll need to alter the examples. If the power limit is moving the moon, the moving planets example makes little sense.
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>>54848167
What I meant was that it was possible that it could have happened without the wish, just as there's a possibility every moment that the moon above us might break from orbit or that a person will spontaneously combust.

>>54848176
Thanks. That's exactly what I've been trying to do and say.

Anyway, I've put in a limit like you wanted me to in the post above this one. Please let me know what you think of that one, and hopefully we can settle this mess.
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>>54848193
I still don't understand how this isn't just an I win button
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>>54848126
The only one we've seen (aside from the ones shown in the fight with Kaguya) was pretty much dead. According to the anime, the God Tree landed on Earth in a meteorite a long time ago, and has been draining the natural chakra out of the Earth, though many believed it helped the Earth. While this is obviously filler, it does explain why the world with the other Chakra Tree was dead: because it drained all the energy out of that world. So every world with a tree that has had enough time will be dead. That's...pretty much all we know. Now, as for the 'NEET', he's not actually from the same clan as Kaguya and the duo, he's Hamura's descendant. Toneri is basically the last surviving member of the Space Hyuuga, who came to the Moon to protect the Ten Tails' corpse. This...didn't exactly work out, thanks to Madara, which caused a civil war which ended with most of them dying, and the rest devoting their efforts to a plan to obliterate the people of Earth.

There's actually another one that starts you in the Warring States period, five years before Konoha is formed. Take that with Boruto! and you can stay until ten years after the duo shows up.
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>>54848126
>Oh. Are they...scenic dimensions? I thought they came from space since from what I was told the NEET of the clan is living all alone on the moon.
It's both. The Ototsukis travel both between dimensions and from planet to planet within those dimensions.
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>>54848176
He's taken multiple tries and fucked up nearly every single time. At this point he hasn't done a good job representing the setting as anything other than a one trick pony surrounding the Bottled Wishwater. This will just be known as the Wishwater Jump in the end.
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>>54848213
The actual landscapes, yes. it's possible yes.
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>Ultraviolet

Eh, there's a lot less gunplay and a lot more swordplay. And I have to say paradoxically, it looks a lot more rehearsed and dancelike with melee weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQiQJ4e9ao4

I also wish there were more people in the movie who actually knew how to fight, other than apparently just Mila. At one point she straight up cuts a full circle of people with allegedly the same powers down in one blow.

Okay, Equilibrium kinda had this problem too but at least there was 1 pretense of a rival, and 1 pudgy guy who turned out to be a legit fight for Preston.

...then again, I could just be jaded from too many kung fu movies.

>>54847916
Because Atlas knows you always bet on black

Just look at how Sion turned out in the future
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>>54848236
Canon on the Shinju is that it feeds on life force. Given that Momoshiki and Kinshiki appear to be the only people on their planet, it's possible they killed everyone off to have the tree all to themselves and then realized they made a stupid mistakes.
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>>54848193
...Thank you. I don't have a problem with this iteration.
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>>54848232
>>54848176
Okay, that's just insulting. I appreeciate you finally put in the limit but fuck you guys for saying that. We've been saying for the past 5 hours to just limit it to canon, which fits the setting as you want and stops it being a win button as you want, and then you throw that in our faces? Eat dicks.
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>>54848193
Jesus you've surpassed Dirge in terms of wordiness.
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>>54848259
Ah, gotcha, that makes sense.
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I never thought to ask before but the drawbacks in the supplement like Migraine and Powerless Shell get taken off at the end of the jump like usual right? Just checking since they count as skills.
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>>54848273
He is Dirge. He just wanted to see if a different persona could get away with sneaking in the type of shit that he usually does.
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>>54848257
While it's true it was more of a slaughterhouse with little real challenge, Equilibirum has a much bigger problem in my mind I mentioned earlier. There's a lot more gunplay...but there's way, way more wordswordswords. And it gets pretty darn wanky at some moments. It's a much worse sin in my eyes that by the time we actually got to the final few fights in that movie, where the majority of the cool gun kata actually was, I barely cared anymore.
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>>54848193
This is acceptable.

>>54848235
In the same way Wish from DnD isn't just an I win button.
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>>54848299
Some of the quieter moments are great, though. That scene where he finds the contraband vault and hears music for the first time? It might by too much, but I love it.
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>>54848227
>If the power limit is moving the moon, the moving planets example makes little sense.
I wasn't entirely sure when reading it if Kahani is a normal sized moon or ones the size of Jupiter kept in orbit around Earth for reasons P2C2E; it seemed like a normal sized world when they were journeying across it, at least. Hence why I was reluctant to take away that option.

>>54848264
I was trying to limit it to canon the entire time. It's just that "canon" is a Wonderland that isn't meant to be measured out and understood fully by reality's standards. I wanted to come up with a solution that stuck with canon and reasonably limited it like you wanted it without being too harsh or forceful, which would break from the message of the book.

I am sorry that I was stubborn over this, and while I felt that many people were overly aggressive and forceful while I tried to find a compromise, I was not entirely in the right, either. I hope we can move past these earlier issues.
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>>54848319
Yeah, there's some good moments and I did like some of the feeling of suspicion and paranoia you got at some moments. But there was so much nothing or dumb stuff that it buried a lot of that for me. If the movie was trimmed down a bit, I think it'd hugely improve it. Get rid of some of the unnecessary bits and focus more on what it does really well.
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>>54844077
Pathfinder
WoD: Dark Ages
Hunter: the Reckoning
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>>54848315
WIsh eats your XP and it has the reputation for fucking with people that try to abuse it. Hell, that used to be part of the spell's writeup in the PHB and the DMG. This is 100% risk-free I win button.

>>54848333
How is it not an I win button?
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>>54848232
Bottled Wishwater (600 SP)- A bottle of pure Wishwater, said to be able to grant any wish once per jump. Well, if it’s for the sake of the story, that is. The Water will only go as far as your antagonist. It could grant you the ability to destroy anything, as long as that anything is only the Antagonist, and those abilities only last as long as the Antagonist. Or, if you prefer, it could make the implausible happen. The limits being that somehow, the metal you've been searching for (previously know for only having one source), somehow has a small second source, buried somewhere you can get to it. After a quest inversely proportional to the plausibility of your wish, of course. We cannot have the Plot suffer, now could we?

How's that? I tried to shorten it a bit, and expand the fluidity of it, while limiting it.
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>>54848293
No, I am not Dirge. Actually, I've never even bothered to learn what jumps are his.

I was wordy because, after all this, I can't leave things to chance.
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>>54848333
....CW, seriously, don't fuck with us here. It's a moon. If there is no reason for it to be a planet sized moon, don't make it so. Keep it to a moon level.
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>>54848353
I get that. For me the wasted space was his interactions with the woman detainee. I understand why it was narratively important and what they were trying to do, but those scenes really felt wooden.
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>>54848367
please no pleases fucking no after we just finally got the power limit in
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>>54848382
Mmm, Bale did manage the emotionless part well enough (Well enough that I still sometimes remember his as being Keanu) but he didn't get out of it very well.
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>>54848333
>hours of fingers in ears and stomping the ground
>FINE, I'll limit it to moon-sized
>S-s-some moons are planet sized tho. . .
Way to underscore that you really aren't interested in putting useful limits on this. Fuck off.
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>>54848387
...sorry. I hadn't looked before I posted.
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>>54848395
His intensity during the white coat scenes, particularly around the polygraph, was good
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>>54848377
Okay, I've looked it up, and you seem to be right about Kahani's size. I thought that a large moon or a planet wouldn't be too much of a difference since it just has to do with orbits, but I can change change it accordingly if it's too much of a hassle.
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>>54848219
Well, at this point of time I'm pretty sure I've only got the one? Might have built a couple but-let's just say I've gone through a rather stressful century a few decades ago. Besides, the important thing is style. Pulling a Blades of Glory out of the atmosphere just isn't the same as strapping into a couple of seats.

>Where'd you get the idea

It was many, many threads ago but the gist of it was-I was told while he's great by NINJA technological standards of genetics, something happened later on that showed he's still a fair bit behind modern genetics.

I could've been confusing it with another conversation about Geneforges and Resident Evil virology, though. Point is-just thought he'd like a more efficient way to work with viable DNA samples.

...holy crap, this was WAY before the Hypnos Gene addon. Wonder how that'd mess with the bloodlines?

>>54848236
>>54848246
Huh, thanks. So I'd be wandering blind, mostly?

I just thought it'd be relaxing to take Team Who Even Cares About This Clan Rivalry Bullshit out on an extradimensional safari after sensei got enough samples. Oh dear, I'm not sure how he'd take learning that bloodlines are bullshit and true mastery of all the techniques ever is attained by eating one specific fruit

>>54848299
I see where you're coming from, and in all fairness I was introduced to Equilibirum via youtube video before actually watching the whole movie. It's definitely a long slog. Kinda like some wuxias, actually!

This, specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tINWl0gzQWI. I sorta expected the whole movie to be one long rock AMV at first.

To each their own, I'm the kind of guy who looks for quality over quantity when it comes to sick kungfu gunfights.
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>>54848333
>I wasn't entirely sure when reading it if Kahani is a normal sized moon or ones the size of Jupiter kept in orbit around Earth for reasons P2C2E
Jupiter's moons are smaller than Earth's, though.
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>>54848374
He hasn't made any jumps. Dirge just took the credit for jumps that Brutus and other anons made.
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>>54848415
Ooh, that was a good scene. The whole climax is something I'll admit really was good (Though I still think they shoulda kept Sean as the bad guy actor). Just ruined by a drag I felt from the stuff that came before.
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>>54848353
How hard do you have to hit with Truth of the World to make it work? Basically, I want to know if I have to inflict crippling damage to use it on an ally who lacks something.

Could I lightly poke an ally to teach them to love? Do I have to draw blood?
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>>54848423
Oh, the same here. I went in thinking I'd be getting lots of cool fights. It's probably why I have such a negative opinion of the flaws of the movie instead of being a bit more forgiving.
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>>54848432
Sean Bean's character as the villain? That could have been fun. I wanted to see more of him in that movie.
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>>54848446
Long as it's an actual blow, it'd work. You don't need to be shattering their jaws but you do need to be leaving a mark or bruise. Think of it kinda like the Kamina punch to Simon in TTGL.
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>>54848425
Moons that are the size of Jupiter. Which is over the top. Like WAY over the top.
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>>54848452
Nah, that was Sean Pertwee. Very very similar faces though. Bean's a lot bigger nowadays anyway, think the last time I recognise Pertwee was in Gotham.
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>>54848475
Oh yeah, the dude at the end. I thought you meant Sean Bean from the beginning of the film.
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>>54848463
I can work with that, thanks.

Now I just need to find a way to work around the numerous immunities jumpers tend to stockpile.
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>>54848425
Really? I read somewhere that one of them is the largest moon in the solar system.

>>54848406
That's kind of an exaggeration, and not how I meant it to be understood. I like to narrow out every potential problem in my jumps, and I was concerned that this was something that would break from how I understood the setting.
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>>54848492
Oh. Huh. I forgot they were both in the movie.
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>>54848508
Will you please answer >>54848361
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>>54848523
Yeah, not his best death by a long shot but it's still there
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Also, I would like to say that SBers really prefer limits, from what I've seen. The fun for most of them is working around the limits, where as here, it's working within them.

True examples of either want more restrictions, not less.
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>>54848536
>Working around them
You mean abusing exact wording. At least until they find a limit they think is too much, where they promptly ignore it entirely.

Except then when someone from here makes something too broken they'll complain. Like how Brellin is bitching about that magic system in Val's jump and just happens to leave out the info on how it explicitly blocks the abuses he complains about.
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>>54848508
>Really? I read somewhere that one of them is the largest moon in the solar system.
Well, Ganymede is larger than our moon. But it's less massive, due to being mostly made of water rather than rock and iron. I guess it depends on how you classify things, I was thinking in terms of force required to move a thing around, which would be dependent on mass.
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>>54848536
Oh, and forgot to say, before someone gets upset:

The important part is "from what I've seen"
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>>54848536
I really wouldn't call what they do working around limits, unless you're the type to think this is a battle between jumper and jumpmaker as to how much legalese they need to put in.
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>>54848536
>SBers really prefer limits
Riiiiiiiiiiight. That's why they universally abuse the shit out of Ravenloft to become DND monsters of infinite HD with every fucking listed power possible.

Such limits. Wow.
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>Yeah, no shit. One of their jumps just went onto the main /tg/ drive (not the new uploads folder mind you, the actual main drive in complete with images) that has a perk that literally lets you rework how the entire magic system in any given jump you go to works. Want to change D&D magic to a video game style instead? You can do that. Want to change HP magic into magical girl stuff? You can. Want to make a low power system more powerful or vice versa? You can do that too. Setting wide. Within a few hours of work, and no need to actually be in any specific location or any specific materials while doing it and no limit on how many times you can do it. And the most ironic part is that the jump itself doesn't even have images, it's just got a black background instead of a white one!
>And yet an item that gives a limited, but still relatively useful, single-step wish once a jump is somehow controversial by comparison.
>though improving the overall power would require comboing with a stronger magic system you already know.
Hmm... Something doesn't add up.
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Is there a jump for Ego Draconis? I'm not claiming it I'm just curious.
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>>54848569
How do they abuse Ravenloft. Asking ebcause I stay off SB.
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>>54848588
Citation fucking needed
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>>54848536
>Brellin brings up Maker of Magic as an excuse for bullshit
>Completely ignoring the fact that the perk cant stop those stronger than you, and thus the power can only mess with those weaker than you.
>Ignores the fact that this power doesnt run into a no limits falllacy like the Water does.

Fucking shitlords.

They dont just work around limits, they make it a sport to just completely ignore them whenever they can.
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>>54848524
>Will you please answer >>54848361
Because it isn't? I didn't answer because I wasn't sure what more he wanted from me.

And in regard to the whole moon vs. planet thing with the example, how's this for the improved example?

If you are surrounded by an army of darkness, it could shift the moon/world’s axis slightly (easier for something smaller like a moon) so it turns from night to day, but not grant you the absolute power to destroy the army yourself or hurl the planet away from the sun.

Rotating the Earth slightly to change your location between day and night doesn't sound like too much compared to the moon's example, so I think it's feasible the way I've set it up in the example.
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>>54848602
The option to be a monster in the jump doesn't specify limits on what kind of monster you can choose.
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>>54848561
I'm pretty much saying, in that group, that appears to be exactly the type. It's most definitely treating it as a contract to work around.

Don't actually see anything really wrong with that either, not how I like it, but they can get their kicks however they like.
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>>54848602
You know that be the monster perk? The use that to mean anything, and any possible combination of things, from any DND release ever. So Neutronium Golem half Time Dragon half Celestial half etc etc etc

All for a few hundred CP. They're sorry wankers, the lot of them.
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>>54848556
Now that you mention it, that's sort of the way Kahani is set up, as it's for the most part a vast sea.
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>>54848611
>shift the moon/world’s axis
So is it planet scale or moon scale now?
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>>54848626
Seriously? I would assume it tops out at regular dragons.
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>>54848608
Don't forget it also notes that those weaker than you might have ways to deal with it. Presumably the default situation is it works as planned, but if there's a special ritual for preserving their own magic it might still work.
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>>54848569
...because they found a hole in the "contract"? They like finding ways around the limits that are technically okay. Is that better?
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>>54848588
Perk and jump, please
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>>54848622
Hah, no. They just straight-up ignore them, too, when they run into some they don't particularly fancy. Like Ursine's "power combinations" in Marvel.
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>>54848608
I have never seen an anime girl like bread that much.

Also, the best use of Maker of Magic is obviously to leave the setting's magic system exactly the same, except for adding in a restriction that people need to send you a monthly fee to keep using their magic.
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>>54848622
Sadly, they get their kicks in trying to force others to conform to it and criticising those that don't.
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>>54848637
For the moon example, it required completely resetting the way that the moon is spinning, while there's a magical force in play to keep you from changing its spin. The latter is just moving the planet around momentarily so it's day now. I'd think that the latter is the easier task.
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>>54848644
No, it's not. It's shitheads like that that require perk descriptions to be half a page long and written in legalese. They side with intent or letter, whichever gives them more power or suits them. Its shit like that that sucks the joy out of making jumps.
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>>54848635
How deep is the sea? Because Ganymede's solid core starts at around halfway down. The sea of Ganymede is thousands of kilometers deeper than Earth's.
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