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Malifaux General: Controversial Opinions Edition.

Faction Stat Card Almanac:
https://mega.nz/#F!a8QBgCaD!mMN8jvLMuNKHA5G3nJ0FSg

>Books
Malifaux: https://mega.nz/#F!cg00BCoD!mDHocpgWP_hkkM3CpCBwrQ
BrokeLenn Promises: https://mega.nz/#!F4UDWIQD!HPHQPzKYpPSHr8QfTRrfaCkgjdauyp-WBCVQf1WTHxI


Book 1 - Basic Rules and first wave of updated (from 1st edition of malifaux) models
Book 2 - Second wave of updated models
Book 3 - Campaign system and new M2E models
Book 4 - New models
Book 5 - New models & Master upgrades

Through the Breach: https://mega.nz/#F!Z9sVSYTS!U2J243KhVsUuOqAnsqTj4A
Through the Breach 2E - https://mega.nz/#!nBIClLhS!zNSsWVb1s-V45vK_C010xVc9LWWt-nMg0mk-G-MY7dw

Discord voice chat for malifaux chat and memery: https://discord.gg/xWkuFRz

>What is Malifaux?
Malifaux is a 32mm Skirmish Tabletop game, with a focus on completing several different objectives, while denying your opponent their objectives

Gaining Grounds Tournament Rules: http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-wyrd.com/topic/123837-gaining-grounds-2017/
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>>55713526
>Malifaux General: Controversial Opinions Edition
I thought that was last edition.
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>>55713695
Don't judge me.
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>>55713718
I've got no response to criticize, I'd put is making a new one for 50 posts.
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I've been meaning to ask:
What models would you want to see in New waves?

Masters having an upgraded Avatar form is neat, but I think a downgrade would be cool too. A lot of masters started as henchmen or lower last edition, it would be cool to see a wave that had all the latter we know have henchmen versions. Could be a prequel sort of thing.
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>>55713695
It's not a controversial opinion.
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The entire gremlin faction needs to be remade frm the ground up.
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>>55714921
How so?
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>>55714921
>The entire gremlin faction needs to be ground up.
FTFY
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Does anyone have the full collection of these?
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>>55714921
Malifaux needs to be remade from the ground up.
3.0 when?
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>>55713526
Where is the link to last thread?
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>>55714488
>>55715158
>Malifaux needs to be remade from the ground up.
No.
There are things that need cleaning up a bit, but the system works.

But I think it's going to have to go to asequel/prequel Veteran or Season type system next cycle, or it will finally collapse into unplayability (in terms of the game M2E was written as).

As I understand it, M2E is designed to be very well balanced when both players are similarly skilled AND both are very knowledgeable about the pieces involved - it works best when both players know both players' factions inside out.

Now that the range is so wide, and the models being written for such narrow niches and Rube-Goldberg roles, it seems to be creeping back into being a gotcha game.
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>>55715520

Here: >>55638722

OP, be less of a faggot next time.

Also, BrokeLenn Promises was a shitty joke that I'm ashamed of putting up there, and should not be pasta'd further.
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>>55715158
Unless you got mechanical improvements worth more than 10 pages of changes, you got no reason to get a new edition.

Also new edition don't mean shit for improving the game, just look at warmahordes
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>>55715585
4 more years!
4 more years!
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To the guy from last thread talking about ressurs returning after the ball, don't forget Reva has been spreading ressurectionism and her shieldbearers offer aid to any necromancers or intelligent undead who can prove they aren't seamus tier douchebags.
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>>55716034
Is this in the chronicles? I don't remember that bit.
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>>55716302
No, its literally reva's entire character concept from her and her crews vignettes.
The Shieldbearer information in TTB core rules spells it out more explicitly. Shieldbearers are the men and women who take up arms against injustice in the name of Reva.
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>>55715094
It doesn't honestly. There seems to be a few butt hurt players that think that drunk&reckless and reckless are too OP, despite Gremlins not preforming well competitively.

Same reason Stuffed Pigs "had to be" nerfed. Players who aren't me shouldn't have nice things.
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>>55716323
>vignettes
We only got the one, when she was introduced.
>The Shieldbearer information in TTB core rules spells it out more explicitly.
Ah gotcha.
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>>55716350
Every unit in the game has a short story/description and its implied between the shieldbearer, corpse candle and Reva descriptions, so its not hard to piece it together even without the longer description in TTB.
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Have anybody tried Wong with his new "lightning jump everyone in range" upgrade? Is it worth its slot? How do you put Wong in position and protect him from any enemy model just engaiging him?
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>>55716455
Unless I missed something, none of those imply that Reva lending shield-bearers to "friendly" resurrectionists .

Last report I heard was of the Guild failing to track her crazy cult as it moved deeper into the quarantine zone.
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>>55716904
Eh? It talks about how her zombies follow her out of intellect and loyalty and how her shieldbearers take up arms to fight for "those around them".
Its really super not hard to read between the lines here.
Also she doesn't lend them, the shieldbearers aren't her puppets or servants, they go help out fellow ressurs on their own.
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>>55717186
St.Clair in the fluff says that wild undead are hostile killing machines, and that they only seem to be docile and helpful when Reva's around. Which if true would make it hard to spread ressurectionism.

Although that might be out the window with Asura Rotten also setting up Rottenburg as a haven for "nice" undead.
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What do people use Death Marshals for?
I really like the models, but the stat card seems uninspiring.
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>>55717310
Burying things.

So it prevents lot of destruction based effects and denies corpse tokens.

It's also used as transportation method for more unreliable models like Papa Loco
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Would like to see the Void Hunters make it into the game
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>>55719311
>Void Hunter
Is that something from TTB?
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>>55719424

Yes
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>>55719424
>>55719311
Void Hunters are like The Nothing Beast, they are functional non-existing creatures. Like the Nothing Beast they make non-functioning ones (void wretches) in order to avoid existence. Basically the longer they stay in the material world, the more of them starts to exist so they cut those bits off, which form void wretches.
They seem to be a little bit like hounds of tindalos, except more literally houndlike. They are creepy shit that doesnt follow our physical laws and loves to eat time travelers.
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>>55719817
>hounds of tindalos
Neat
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>>55717273
Vincent is insane. I don't think anyone, including Reva takes him seriously he is a man pushed over the edge by his work and views Reva as a way to reconcile his guilt with his hatred for undead.
I mean even before Reva the Gorgons servants (kirai, molly) produced reasonable undead, its only the grave spirit that makes asshole undead. There's no reason to believe TT necromancy or Domador necromancy is inherently bad either, though the only major TT necromancy practitioner we know of is a huge fucking asshole who purposely made his undead evil and only raised the most vile people to begin with. In some of the stories there are other people a bit like Kirai, but seemingly without a connection to the Gorgon. I remember in one story there's a lady who calls upon flaming wheel spirits to defend the little kingdom from thieves and shit.
Before Reva came out Under Quarrantine explicitly stated there are a LOT of people like Molly, not just a few and if we want to go really far back the Pale Rider is probably the oldest example of "not evil" undead. Crooligans also are good guys, they only usually kill those that engage in the act of domestic violence according to TTB and even in their weird backstory poem in 2e they only focus on their target and ignore the guy trying to save him, leaving him unharmed.
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>>55719843
In the sense they fuck with time travelers, not the cool going through corners things. Mechanically they are just the medium point between nothing beast and void wretches, though they create void wretches when damaged which should have been an NB ability from the start.
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>>55719946
Friendly undead seem lame. But I guess some people will make an effort to turn any faction into the good guys.

>>55719967
If you're GMing, you could always houserule that the Nothing Beast does too.
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Imagine this:
>Titania decides she wants to a little recon into the city of Malifaux, to ’’see the enemy through her own eyes’’
>Aeslin objects, but alas she is the queens bottom bitch
>She illusions her wings and bleeding eyesockets away, gaining pretty ember green eyes
>She takes a boat leading into the city
>the story goes from her smiling at how many mimics she can sense in every crevice of the city
>to her being socially awkward and flustered at people handing her flowers and even one drunken sailor grabbing her butt
>she runs into a lightly populated café to gather herself
>a rough looking man in a coat and widebrimmed hat, shoos away a rude younger boy trying to charm her
>they strike off some more more mature conversation, even getting a smirk across her face at a crude compliment from him
>they wander about the town for hours, her pretending she’s a poor newcomer to the city
>this goes on into the evening
>They sit on the shores of the river, enjoying some festivities in one of the more asian-populated parts of town
>He invites her home
>she apologetically refuses, for obivious reasons
>he shrugs and she experiences one of the weirdest parts of human behaviour
>a goodbye kiss on the cheek
>time skip to her returning to her Autumn court
>Aeslin basically going ’’So, how’d it go?’’
>turned back, smiling ´´None of ya business’’
>idk how to end it
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>>55720176
I was talking about the fact he lacks that power in Malifaux.

Friendly undead make a lot more sense than the idea all undead are one or the other. Malifaux has never had the idea that "undead" is a unifying thing, Jack Daw, Abominations, The Gorgon, The Grave Spirit and Yan Lo's asian shit and now Domadors are all explicitly different approaches to necromancy. It seems to me that Reva is probably Gorgon powered and Von Schtook is almost certainly Grave Spirit though, even though they aren't explicitly stated.
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>>55720476
Shit story and basically a rehash of several Lillith, Pandora and Molly stories only with less murder.
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How are people running Tara lately? Do you actually bring a bunch of her upgrades?
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From the anons who brought you TTB 2nd edition last thread, enjoy a trip into the Heart of Darkness on us!

https://mega.nz/#!5hk0QDbL!cjirsBN_iYbxJP0gSNs0LqWsXrEXD70CE6-hZcXc6M4
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>>55716332
At the risk of reigniting this bullshit:
Stuffed Piglets probably were too cheap, but the "fix" was terrible.
Reckless has too few downsides for how well the models with it actually perform.
Malifaux/Wyrd has too shitty a meta data collection for judgements on how effectively Gremlins are played competitively - the impression I've got from podcasts is that they are already not the first choice of the full-autist top-tier tournament winners, so it is impossible to control for average player skill, and therefore any conclusions drawn from tournament performance are weak at best.

In summary, I think conclusions drawn so far are all dumb and anecdotal due to a lack of data.

>>55720626
The only guy I know that (occasionally) plays Tara reckons it's too expensive to bring more than 4 anyway, even when they might be useful, so I'd guess no.

>>55720739
Top bloke.
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I have a game tomorrow but haven't played in a fucking age so I can barely remember what I'm supposed to be doing.
Any advice or criticism would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Deployment: Standard Deployment (7)

Strategy: Extraction (Rams)
Schemes:
* Claim Jump (Always)
* Eliminate the Leadership (Doubles)
* Dig Their Graves (Crows)
* Search The Ruins (8)
* Last Stand (13)

Opponent declared Gremlins

I'm playing Arcanists.

Mei Feng -- 5ss
+Vapormancy - 1ss
+Arcane Reservoir - 2ss
+Seismic Claws - 1ss

Cassandra - 8ss
+Imbued Protection - 2ss

Joss - 10ss
+Bleeding Edge Tech - 1ss

Arcane Effigy - 4ss

Performer - 5ss
Mannequin - 4ss

Rail Worker - 5ss
Rail Worker - 5ss

Plan is to roll up the middle, using Performers and Cassandra to bump the boys up there faster, hold the middle with the meat and try for Dig and Search. Mei is going to be a Vent-bot to block as much of the shooting as possible, with Df7 Cassandra and beefy Joss absorbing charges, and the Rail Workers killing on the countercharge.

Was considering Recharge Soulstone on Joss to try and keep enough stones in the pocket to survive, but not sure if that's false economy.
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>>55721258
Dig is going to become super difficult to score if that Performer dies. Also, Imbued Protection is kind of stinky, especially when you could be taking PP which is still totally fine for Dig.

Keep Cass in cover and under southern hospitality and she'll already be plenty hard to shoot.
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I just managed to pick the alternative model for The Firestarter and am thinking about ways to use it. I use a Union Miner to ignite Carlos when playing Colette, but he doesn't do much besides that and tossing a few scheme markers. I am thinking that paying two extra stones for The Firestarter instead might be interesting as he has better offensive options and flight & reckless makes him a more mobile schemer?
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>>55721605
The main draw is definitely flight and reckless.

By himself he's not going to spread enough burning to make the tactical scary, and without that the rest of his attacks are pretty weak even after factoring in the burning damage.
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>>55721163
>fix" was terrible.
Agreed, if activations was the problem, that what they should have fixed. Some sort of forced companion would have worked great.

>Reckless has too few downsides for how well the models with it actually perform.
It's not a problem with reckless, it's honestly a problem of how aggressively low priced good reckless models are.

Bayou Gremlins are fine but Francois and Burt should not be 7 soulstone models.

Other than that u can't really think of any egregious reckless models, after rooster riders lost it.
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Just ordered a new batch of models. Is Yasunori as BS as the forums are making him out to be?
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>>55721982
I've played Oxford Mages to success with Colette. I am thinking between their burning +1 trigger, Carlos' burning +1 trigger and the fact that Cassandra can understudy the Swirling Gas Can that you might be able to make use of it.

But it's mainly for a 3 (4 with imbued energy) AP flight model and an easy way to fill Carlos up with burning. The fact that all his actions are casts are interesting for Cassandra.
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>>55722164
The forums are known to be whiny bitches. He's just very competent at what he's supposed to do, and fits in alot of crews.
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What does a core Kirai model pool look like? Mostly you just hear about summoning off a Flesh Construct
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>>55722525
I imagine her cute looks a lot like Nico's her henchman, then pretty much whatever you want because you'll be summoning the rest of it.
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I want a Rafkin x Kudra love story. They were made for each other.
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>>55723327
Well that just seems strictly worse than an alt. Rafkin x Kudra story.
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>>55724762
Either way works. I'm a sucker for forbidden love.
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Why would either of them be interested? Rafkin is a necrophiliac, and Kudra a reasonably moral human being.
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>>55725551
I haven't paid much attention to the Malifaux love life, since Wyrd doesn't really cater to my fetishes, but after reading the resser story from Broken Promises I now ship Justice and the Judge hard.
Is there substance to them, or is it just something Wyrd keeps vague?
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>>55726144
But... but... poison synergy. Also you can take them in the same list now thanks to McM's new upgrade.
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>>55721573
Cheers, I'll give these points some thought.

I was hoping that, since Dig is 4", and I can chuck Scheme Markers all over the shop with the Performer/Mannequin, I could set up a bunch of Graves turn 2/3, since I only need the three anyway.
Losing her would make Search hard as well.

Cassandra with Df7 and Southern Hospitality is really, really good, especially against lower-quality stuff.
Maybe I'll drop another stone and put Practiced Production on her too...

I was thinking overnight that the Arcane Effigy isn't doing a whole lot for me, and maybe a Metal Gamin for Protection of Metal would be better.
But the Effigy as Hard to Kill, whereas the Gamin isn't any more, and the Effigy's Burning synergy is a little more actually useful.
I'll probably stick with the Effigy, unless anyone has strong feelings the other way.

The alternative would be to drop it entirely to pay for Recharge Soulstone on Joss and Practiced Production on Cassandra, and top up the cache, but I feel like I'm too vulnerable to losing Extraction by losing a single model at that point.
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>>55722214
Oxfordians are great with Colette.
That extra Elemental Both effect, or the ability to get them into position while still able to Furious Cast, is huge.

Taking three of them gives you twelve chances for the Push/Slow per turn, which is great.

They are also really good for aggressively repositioning enemy models, not just pushing them away - nothing funnier than yanking Franc into base contact with Howard and cutting the cunt's fucking head off.
I don't like Francisco.
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>>55723315
>her cute
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>>55726144
>>55726144
>Rafkin is a necrophiliac,

Wait what? Where is this stated?
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So I've gotten my hands on a Master of Puppets box. I already have Illuminated, Graves, Tannen and the Shadow Effigy (all of TT, basically). What should I get for a fully functional Collodi crew with minimal extra purchases, preferably sticking to Neverborn?
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>>55731230
You'll want the Brutal and Arcane Effigy. Other than that just grab some stitched together and you're good.
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>>55726953
I think this is the first time it's been mentioned, as far I know.

>>55730784
The source is his ass.
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>>55731485
Nah, there have been a few wink wink nudge nudge moments between them before. Recently there was the chroincles story about Lady J tracking down Nicodem and Lady J asks him if some dead girl looked nice and he responds something along the lines of liking redheads.
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>>55731551
>chroincles
I really do need to read up on the Chronicles.
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TTB fans, wanted to get feedback on a bullshit idea my pals and I came up with.

>Friend one comes up with a wimpy enchanter, who wants to become a big shot bounty hunter to impress the mayor in a small settlement off of main Malifaux. Of course, all of this is in efforts to marry his girlfriend, the Mayor’s daughter.

>Friend Two clears his throat. He wants to be a reformed bandit, now a vigilante and hero of the people, especially his one true love, the mayor’s daughter.

My previous game ideas were shattered before my eyes, as our next TTB game shall now be about an entire party trying to save up enough money to buy a wedding ring for the mayor’s daughter. What do you guys think? Any comments or cruel remarks are welcome.
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>>55732045
As annoying as it is to have your plans shattered, it sounds like a fun and super cute scenario.

Honestly my only problem is the second players character. I really wouldnt allow him to start out as a hero of the people.
He can be a recently reformed bandit with a vigilante codex of morales, but i think he has to earn the rust, which would make the story more interresting as well.
''Your character is not a great hero from the start, he's Frodo stepping across the holds of the Shire, he is Luke leaving his planet for the first time''
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>>55732173
>Earn the rust
*earn the rest
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>>55731551
Isn't that from the story leading up to the fight with nicodem?
Has a winner been announced as of yet?
And did that take place before or after Broken Promise?
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>>55732306
After. Lady J still didn't know who Nicodem was in broken promises.
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>>55715119
A super dynamic collette would be great.

I also like the idea that this one is dynamic but also has enough to attach to the base.
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>>55732045
Good idea!
Dont forget that they should NOT know of each other's plans.
Also you can bring them both in the next games AND make major's daughter marry someone they totally wouldnt expect.
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>>55732045
> The mayor's daughter is actually a set of identical twins. Now no-one has to end up alone.
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>>55734053
>The other mayor's daughter is actually Neverborn doppleganger like Viktoria's
>No one minds
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>>55734179
>And that's how my players found out that swingers are my magical realm.
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>>55734179
>Those are 2 doppleganger, first doppled the major's daughter and then attempted to kill her but she fled to quarantine zone and then joined the Ressers to seek revenge against doppelganger, and the second doppled the first doppler which resulted in spontaneous side effects
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With her new upgrades, how would you run Kaeris, and with what upgrades? Not that I am opposed to it, but do you still really want the emissary, or would it be redundant?
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>>55721258
Me again.
Lost 10-7, but Mei did exactly what I wanted her to do, I just need to get used to a more hitty play-style.
It was up against a hard elite Gremlin Zoraida
(Trixie, Fingers, Merris, First Mate, Anna Lovelace) who scored full off Last Stand and Search The Ruins.

I was far too timid because I was scared of the Obeys, so I got my kills in too late, and Fingers fucked my pre-Dug Graves very efficiently, so I ended up having to kill Fingers and Merris without Graves, and then failed to kill anyone else near one.

>>55721573
IP saved Cassie a good few times, but you were absolutely right about that Performer - Merris popped, Burned her down, and then I didn't have enough free AP to dig Graves AND kill without giving up position.
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>>55732746
>A super dynamic collette would be great.
Hell yeah.
Something posed like that would be pretty great.

I guess it's a little tricky as you don't want her to look too combat-y, and ideally not too slutty either, but other dynamic poses are less obvious.

>>55734053
Amazing idea.
>The girls have made a bet that they'll each be the first to marry, so neither is letting on.

>>55736681
I've not heard great things about the Emissary.
Kaeris looks like the "Push and give Burning" thing could be great against a dense crew, but at a guess I'd say you only expect that from Ressurs and Gremlins, so the times you'd actually take it are limited.

From osmotic accumulation of information, it sounds like a lot of the Book 5 upgrades make amazing counter-pick upgrades, based on information you aren't supposed to have at teh point at which you would select them.
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>>55736681
I think the heatstroke condition is a trap compared to just letting models burn to death, but the aura of burning seems sweet.

Flaming Angel is super cool and should basically be stapled to her card, plus the new immolate trigger is great for spreading burning to your own guys w/o wasting extra AP.
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>>55738320
>Kaeris looks like the "Push and give Burning" thing could be great against a dense crew

Even if there's just one enemy model, it moves you and sets up +flips on Immolate for 1 AP.
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>>55738582
I see. I will take Flaming Angel and look at what other options Kaeris adds. I agree with you when it comes to heastroke. I may see something in it later, but for now it probably isn't an auto take.
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Bump
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Looks like the new TTB stuff was added to the trove!
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>>55738582
>Heatstroke
I don't know - giving a couple of beaters Heatstroke+4 can cut them out of the game pretty hard for a couple of turns, whereas doing Burning+4 to Archie or Yasunori wouldn't necessarily achieve a great deal, especailly if there is healing around.

Yasunori's +flips to attacks and Stubborn and that kind of shit becomes far less obnoxious at Ml3, Wp3, Df3.
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>>55738215
>First Mate with Zoraida
Huh, never thought about it before but Zoraida could use Tooth/First Mate instead of Tooth/Rougarou. Shame the knights arent good at putting on "slow" that actually stays or it would be a decent idea.
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>>55747334
First Mate and Fingers into Search the Ruins, with added Trixiebelle to score it, was a complete nightmare.

To be honest, I didn't see all that much of Momma Z thanks to Mei's steam clouds, but her Repulsion tactical action damn near fucked me entirely on Extraction.
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>>55747629
First Mate and Fingers in the same crew... i take it you had to choose no scheme marker related schemes?
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>>55747653
I didn't really know what the First Mate did, so he pretty much fucked me roughly on Search the Ruins.

I knew I was going hard after Fingers with Joss and Rail Workers anyway - between Extraction and Search, if Fingers wants to be relevant he has to be within my threat range.
That bit worked flawlessly (banked the RJ from Turn 1 to guarantee the kill), but the First Mate did all the work necessary.
I still got 3 from StR, but I had to send Cassto score and a model to screen to get it done.

Weirdly we both scored a full 3VP from Search solely from Scheme Markers in the opponent's half, because we both did so well sweeping up on the other side.
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>>55747814
Eh, thanks to reckless I've never found Fingers "needs" to be up too close, he has a 16 inch threat range against scheme markers. But damn joss and his trigger avoiding shit must be brutal against gremlins.
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>>55748580
Managed to get a Pin (can't move or push) off with a Rail Worker beforehand, so when I went in with Joss I had another Rail Worker to charge and finish the job if necessary.
No Df triggers against Joss, and can't Squeal anyway because Pinned, with two 3/4/4 and then two 2/4/5 on +flips to attack and damage.
Hitty crew, Fingers was going down.

Between the +flips, Pin, Armour, Df Trigger and H2K, Rail Workers are really, .really. good ofr 5ss.
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>>55748797
Yeah, but they are wk2 and reach1. So...well, its hard to deliver, but i agree, they are a great combat models. Movement tricks should be done with angelica, kaeris or mei (with new upgade), right?
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*wk4
Ride the rails should help them in Mei crew thought. Greatly.
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>>55748846
Wk4 is slow, yes, but they have 2" reach, just like everyone else.
I toyed with taking Joss and Kang with the Arcane Effigy and three Rail Workers for a slow-rolling deathblob, but I figured it would be less funny in actuality than concept - 39ss before upgrades that won't reach the centre until end of Turn 2.

As you say, at Wk4 you need some help to get into the fray.

One of the Workers achieved basically nothing because Trixie shoved him back into the board edge and Slowed him Turn 1 - he was basically irrelevant until Turn 4.
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>>55749020
Right, i am dumbass, misread the card somehow and got 1 for 2.
Well, Angelica, Kaeris, Mei. Otherwise they are just, well, slow. Powerful, yes, but yet very slow. But otherwise i think they would be simply op.
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>>55748957
You mean Passenger Line and Rail Lines from the Rail Lines 1ss upgrade?

You're only taking (at best) three models per turn 6" up the board using your full Master activation while spending many cards/stones - that seems like a terrible deal to me.

1. Bamf to a Scrap marker using a Mask (cheated or Stoned), carrying Kang.
2a. Bamf back to a Rail Worker with a built-in Tome to Trigger a second bamf.
2b. Bamf back to the first Scrap marker with a Mask (cheated or Stoned), carrying Rail Worker.
3. Repeat 2.

That's Mei's full activation, with no Vent or anything of the like, and still relies of someone laying a rail for her.
You could conceivably give Howard Langston a 15" headstart by using the Porkchop to Walk (Detachable Tail) Walk, then bamfing Mei with the Passenger Line trigger twice, then Vent once, but I'm not convinced that's so useful, as Hank is silly expensive and not tough enough to roll in unsupported unless you have a filthy hand to work with.

It just seems a bit too high card/stone cost to plan around it - you need 7s just to do it, and you need Masks to trigger Passenger Line.
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>>55749287
Its especially meh when you consider how much better collette, parker barrows, reva or even ophelia would do the same thing.
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>>55749287
I totally like the model on the picture, but mei there is very very bad to me.
Na, i mean the +1 to wk actually. Having some construct to walk and shoot to railwalk towards would help. Her being wk5 is a huge problem for you have to waste ap and maybe a card if you are using railwalk, and dont forget the black joker which can occur on flip. And you are simply saving 1 inch of movement, unless you are in a terrain or something.
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>>55749970
If you are Railwalking to get 6", you are doing it wrong.

You can jump to the far side of any Scrap or Construct base within six, as many times as you can chain together, for a single AP.
I've almost won games on Turn 1 before using Mei's Railwalk.
Porkchop double walks, dropping a Scrap 6" in front of Mei.
Howard triple walks.
Mei can bounce along those three nodes with a single AP, taking her 16" up the board - that's 8" from the opponent's deployment zone in standard.
She has Cg7 and Ml (or Ca) attacks with reach 3".
She also has attacks that shove enemies around and let you push in after them, so you can take Imbued Energies and pop it for an extra AP, giving you 3 separate chances at starting a Tiger Claw Street Fighter IV combo string, which can force her right into the enemy crew and hold them in place.

With Imbued Protection, Imbued Energies and Seismic Claws in Arcanists, or Misdirection, Recalled Training and Midirection in Ten Thunders, she has the potential to be the most crew-distrupting cruise missile in the game.

Of course, she's not that likely to kill many models, but with 3" engagement she'll tie up a bunch of shit for a goor while, destroying the initial attempts at jockeying for positioning, especially if you can get this off after their main beater has left the deployment zone.
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>>55749970
+1 Wk makes her pig walk 7 which is pretty good.
Not game changing but ok I guess.
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>>55716332
This. Fuck open beta.
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>>55750419
I don't think it's a preview with open beta, but more a only of how seriously you take your community feed back.

An open beta us a fear way to build hype for upcoming model releases. You need to take any of the feedback with a heaping spoonful of salt, though.
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>>55750771
There needs to be some sort of data collection.
The way Corvus Belli do there's is a bit over-pervasive and probably impractical for a company of Wyrd's size, but something as simple as having the bigger tournaments collating crew lists and schemes etc. would be better than this empty vessels approach.
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I finished Sonnia but wasn't very happy with the outcome. Which is a shame, since I was very happy with my Witchling Stalkers. But when painting I constantly try to remind myself, "You're not entering any competitions, so it doesn't have to be perfect, or even great. Just have fun painting so you can play it painted."
Oh well, next is Hopkins. Contrary to the other members of the crew, rather than black he'll be in a majority red, as for some reason he gives me Vash/Alucard vibes. He'll also be blonde.
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>>55753602
I actually quite like it.
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>>55753710
Thanks.
I've still got to figure out her totem. I don't like the thing's construction, so I want to do something else with it. I don't like it's pose either.

But google hasn't shown me many cool skeletons-on-fire-miniatures.
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>>55754035
You don't even need to use her totem in the first place, as everyone goes with the Malifaux Child. It's basic enough to turn into a lil' witch hunter with some conversion work.
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>>55753602
What do you do for the bases? I want to do something similar with greenstuff, bits of sprue, and sand.
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>>55750915
Is Wyrd really smaller than Corvus Belli?

CB has been super dedicated to organized play from the getgo. Wyrd does it better than almost everyone, but CB is in a league of their own.
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>>55754604
I suppose that's true. I could just skip it all together.
>>55754644
Greenstuff, pre-mixed grout, and some railroad terrain gravel for the rock/debree.
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>>55753602

I think it looks solid, you're probably bothered because it's a lot harder to bring out detail in large, flat areas of cloth while the Stalkers have lots of folds to play with. It's something I've been grappling with on some of my TT models (E.g. Oiran vs. Fermented Rivers).
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>>55755024
Do you cut into the greenstuff after it hardens or beforehand?
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>>55755103
Before hand. Which is probably a mistake, as it drags often. If I remember/feel like it, I often clean the edges with a knife to give them a more rounded look after it hardens, however. Something I didn't do on the Sonnia's base.
>>55755091
Yeah, the lack of edges did make it a bit more difficult to bring out the black correctly.
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Given the variety of The Box Opens, Voices, and Woe Is Me, is Pandora versatile enough to run as your single Master? How much do her builds really change between upgrade setups?
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>>55753602
Came out pretty nice. I don't think I like her as a blonde.
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>>55755255
Insidious madness, candy and iggy are core with everything else variable I think. Widow weaver core maybe.
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>>55753602
Perhaps a final highlight to the flames?
I'd be pretty damn pleased with myself if I turned that out though, it looks great.

>>55754035
>>55754604
>Totem
You can still go with the Child, but her new upgrades make running the Flame pretty damn good, or at least so say the theoryfaux people.

>>55754994
I think so, but I can't remember what gave me that impression.
As you say, CB have been going hard in the paint on the organisational front, so it's no surprise Wyrd are a decade behind them.

I'd like them to track it out of curiosity, but mostly sopeople will shut up with ther "but in my experience" and "on Logfaux it says" shit, representing the tiniest fraction of games played.
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>>55753602
I like it a lot.

Maybe a little green on the base to show light from the lantern?
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>>55756903
I've never seen her run with all three of your listed cores, whereas I rarely see her without the Widow Weaver.
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>>55756105
Agreed
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>>55759101
I've realised I meant a low-light - tips of the flame a nice darker green, rather than white.
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>... the Electrocutioners also gain access to the powerful 1.21 Gigawatts Action, easily clearing them out of melee as they travel backwards through time for a brief, crazy misadventure before returning to battle.

Oh good, we have shitty meme abilities here too.
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>>55762266
Why do all the factions in this look so bland compared to Malifaux ones? Fish, ugly malformed people in top hats, generic steampunk Brits and african Von Schills surely aren't the best they could come up with.
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>>55762266
That does seem dumb.
What other shitty meme abilities are you talking about?
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>>55762669
I'm kinda disappointed that America is united in the fluff. Soul stones/the blackpowder wars fucking up the ACW would have been cool.

Could have done all sorts of cool alternate history stuff.
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>>55763027
Maybe have Marx and Lenin get a shot in the arm from the black powder wars and have a communist faction.
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>>55762987
It's just the name of the action, they don't actually go back in time.
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>>55763027
>>55763072
They did pretty much got as politically vanilla as possible, which is lame.
specially given a number of Malifaux characters with back stories suggesting Earthside is just as bad (if not worse) as IRL Earth of the same time period re: slavery and colonialism.
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What's the status of The Other Side sales? Is it even out yet? I don't care about the game, I just want the sweet decks from pic related.
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>>55763541
No.
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>>55763541

De facto pre-orders are up on the backer kit page IIRC, where anyone can order stuff.
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>>55763027
Well Mexico still has Texas and California. The south is supposed to have had slavery up until very very recently.
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>>55762669
I am not sure why the designs are phoned in. Part probably comes from the game representing soldiers rather than unique individuals, and part because PVC just can't hold detail as well as hard plastic.
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>>55763626
>Well Mexico still has Texas and California
Lol wot
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>>55763626
The arcanist story in broken promises literally talks about her being from Cali.
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>>55763672
TTB 2E explicitly says that Mexico controls Texas, and Fire in the Sky says the same about California.
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>>55764642
Do they give any reasons why they why they weren't btfo like they were historically?
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>>55764730
It was during the Black Powder wars, so the US was distracted elsewhere. They did lose Texas initially, but invaded and took it back.
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>>55764642
Didn't expect Wyrd to teach me about US geography - I always thought California was more north than that, but it borders Mexico.
Huh.
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>>55766904
It was part of Mexico until the Mexican-American War. In Malifaux's alt-history timeline it never stopped being part of Mexico.
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>>55767193
Now that I think of it, Antonio Banderas and Catherine Zeta-Jones taught me that.

Does Malifaux have a Zorro?
Francisco's not quite there. Tuco?
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>>55767446
There a reference to a Zorro like character in the past, during the first opening.
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Quick rules question. If I take Sammy with Zipp and take one pf the limited upgrades, do I get free upgrades from Sammy?
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>>55769727
>take one pf the limited upgrades,
What?
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>>55769727
No, it specifically says that it needs to attach to a master for the free upgrades to come in.
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Painting Anon from a few threads ago here, chipping through my fucking gigantic backlog of shit. Some of these are still a little WIP but mostly done.
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And the second set. Sorry if the photos are fucking ginormous, fuck. Need to edit them next time.
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>>55770887
>>55770916
Looks good. You really should have done something with the bases though. Even cheap inserts add a lot imo
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>>55771005

Yea I've always hated basing but I've reached the point in my painting where not doing them is really hurting the final result. I'm going to start working on them from this point onwards.
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>>55771013
Greenstuff ones are ez.

Cheap mdf ones would work great for TT. You could stain & steal them so they look like a dojo floor.
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>>55771013
apply this stuff to a base with a kitchen knife or something and you've got instant dirt no glue involved; you just need to let it rest for a day.
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>>55771572
Got any example pics?
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>>55771917
Dress it up with flock grass if you'd like, use pins for mushrooms, use twigs for logs, whatever is fine, but here's what it looks like basic with some paint on it.
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>>55771951
That texture looks pretty good. Thanks.
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>>55771997
You can manipulate it fairly easily as well. It's almost like goopy sand when applying it.
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Got a TtB question if anime the plays/GMs.

Some of the right ups in the bestiary have + flips from paired weapons. How does that work, since Faremaster characters don't make flips?
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>>55747629
What the fuck is up with that waldgeist?
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>>55772532
Any time a fatemaster character has + or - it is just reversed onto the player. So players get - to df against them. I forget how it handles + vs other npcs. This is in tge rules somewhere.
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What would wong need to start a crew? Burt/gracie obviously but what else?
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How are the seamlines for Marcus' crew box? The build instructions for the Rattler and Cerberus look horrifying in that regard.
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>>55774683
Gmorts chaotica has an unboxing article for it. He said only the rattler had problems, everything else fit fine.
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>>55774683
>claw and fang instructions
>horrifying
Oh my sweet summer child.
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>>55774874

Not the assembly, I'm experienced with that shit. I'm curious how much of a mess will be left to fix afterward. Wasn't really thrilled with the Canine Remains in Doug's box.
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>>55774600
Don't see why you would /need/ gracie.
You should pick up:
Old cranky
Sammy Lacroix
Merris Lacroix

I generally don't run Burt either, like Roja as a glowy target better.
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>>55774883
Not much. The worst assholes are always the huge upscaled models.

And what was so bad with McM's dogs? I did that box and they weren't bad.
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>>55775028
I thought McTavish was like king of glowy targets. At that point his gun ignores pretty much everything.
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>>55775028
Burt, gracie and wong are important or yan lo will beat you.
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>>55775203
Care to elaborate?
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>>55774600
Old Cranky, Merris and McTavish are the core, later add Burt, Sammy, Swinecursed and Taxidermy.
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>>55775496
Big Trouble in Little China reference.
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>>55775053
Big seam running fun the middle of the dogs face.
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>>55776534
Oh yeah, that. It was the fat bulldog wasn't it? I just stuffed it with thick glue and painted it over.
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>>55771951
Why is Stave bllack?
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>>55775053
The Guardian from Hoff's box has giant fuck-off seams running transverse across his head and shoulders. Irritating as fuck, because there are so many natural front-to-back lines int eh sculpt, and then this big fucking line from armpit to armpit over the top of his head.

But I guess that's the price you pay for a model where the smallest piece is bigger than a Gremlin's head.

>>55776534
>>55777104
Pigs are terrible for it too - no fur or anything to hide the seam.
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How have people been liking Seamus' new Showgirls options?
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>>55779698
As a Colette player, it can get it's grubby hands off my fucking girls.
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>>55777104
Terrible models with terrible terrible seams: Desolation Engine, Rail Golem, Chompy, Ikiryo, Bad Juju
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>>55780516

Ikiryo's are bad? She looks pretty simple.
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What anti armor options do I have in Ten Thunders?
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>>55781066
Technically the samurai but nobody uses them like that afaik
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>>55780578
That's the point. It's a simple upscaled model, which means she'll have looser tolerances and worse seams in otherwise smooth places.

It's not hard to assemble, if that's what you're asking.
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>>55781066
McCabe. That's it really, others either dont do it reliably enough or are plain bad.
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>>55781611

I'm just talking about the seamlines. Purely looking at the instructions it looks like the right elbow is the only one since everything else is aligned with her hairline, clothes ruffles, etc.
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>>55781066

Lone Swordsman has a trigger to ignore like 90% of defensive shit but you have to count on or cheat a tome in.
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How would you propose a draft in malifaux
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>>55782298
All males over the age of 18 are required to register for selective service. The draft is done by lots.

Exemptions are made for people engaged in areas critical to the war effort.
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>>55782394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQeezCdF4mk
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>>55782298
Could you elaborate what you mean by draft?
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5,300 plagues on Sun Qian and his tiny, goddamn hands.
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>>55782298
I wouldn't.

Either you're sweeping for factions, which I guess is OK, or you're going for individual Masters within a faction, which bones some folks if they don't get the one or two good generalists from the chosen faction.
If you're drafting from all Masters, you are basically drafting fromFactions, as you need to pick generalists first.

The Master then dictates Henchmen, and also general crew composition.

I just don't think it works with how Malifaux works.
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>>55784131
Tiny pieces is the new meta, Anon.
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Suggestions for purchases to flesh out Ironsides' crew? Since Mouse and apparently the Captain are both trash.
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Did some work on some gremlin masters. Reposed Wong to be mid-poof and gave ophelia some sleeves, fixed the rips in her pants and some more hair to make what is a static pose a little more dynamic. Also shortened her arms a little since I snapped her miniscule wrist 90 degrees just getting her off the sprue.
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What do TT McCabe crews generally look like? Are dogs+Yasunori the standard?
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>>55787762
Dogs, Emissary, Dawn Serpent, Illuminated+Gwyneth, Yasunori... Anything really. Anything+dogs and an Emissary.
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>>55787374
Steamfitters, Ramos' box, mech rider
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>>55788513

Thanks. Are the Steamfitters just giving her Armor, or?
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>>55787532
Repositioning is fine and all, but why did you fix her sleeves?!
What about the lewd???
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>>55787532
The wong is fantastic, not a big fan of the Ophelia hat, but whatever
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>>55788834
You have weird taste buddy.
Still got that midriff and hips




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