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Thread Question: What is the best non-white boardwipe and why is it Bontus?
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>What is the best non-white boardwipe and why is it Bontus?

explain to me how that card is good. I still don't get how taking an entire turn off after a board wipe can be adventageous
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>>55746231
there aren't any boardwipes in blue/black

gotta take what you can get and it also works well with treasures.
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>>55746315
I just figured all of those decks would run Hour of Devastation instead
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>>55746402
playing three colors is kinda poopy if you're not green because it's really easy to get punished by mono red or a quick longtusk cub.
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How did Dinosaurs do yesterday?
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>>55746639
>dinos
anon... there were only 2 decks... Ramunap Red and Temur Energy..
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>>55746695
And blue black control. But yeah, Dino’s are btfo.
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>that card you think is really cool turns out to be OP and the breakout star of standard

It's nice to see Blue/Black get some love for once

now I just need to pull 3 more copies
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Anyone got a spicy brew they want to share? I'm sick of seeing Temur Energy and Ramunap Red every Friday, I need something to mix it up
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Anyone playing blue green pummeler? Was thinking about putting it together
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>>55746814
Gruul dinos with fling
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>>55746814
marionette master
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>>55746814
I was worried about Carnage Tyrant ripping up the format, but now I feel like a Red/Blue prowess deck could be pretty good
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>>55746822

I'd go 3 colors if you really want to play blue with pummeler

fling has won me so many games it's not even funny anymore
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>>55746822
Why would you miss out on Invigorated Rampage, Voltaic Brawler and Fling? Rogue Refiner is the only reason to blue.
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>>55746902
>>55746924
I just saw something on cfb about blue green, I didn't even think of temur and didn't know green red was still viable. Is it just 4 flings replacing uncaged fury?
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ur-enigma-drake-ixalan/

3-1 with this last night, and I feel like I only lost the one game due to mana screw. Holy shit is it fun to play.
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>>55746231
By the time you're casting Bontu's you've got land to spare, so you're not costing yourself an entire turn, you'll just have 3 less mana next turn. 4-5 if you have to counter something on your opponent's turn.
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>>55746847
Would this just be all the treasure producing cards + Marionette Master?
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>Scarab God is now 24 euros on cardmarket
oh shit here we go
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>>55747109
yes
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>>55747129
Seems pretty spicy. Do you play this kind of deck? How would either of the Tezzerets do in it? Maybe 2 of the 4 drop Tez?
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>>55747121
Time to sell
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https://deckstats.net/decks/44776/804320-ub-flying
Rate my shitbrew /tg/
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Reposting my treasure brews to maybe get a bit of feedback:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-10-17-treasure-control/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tezzeret-the-sky-pirate/

Trying to figure out which one to actually build and what to possibly change about the lists. Really want to play a Revel in Riches deck, but plain Treasure Token Turbo in UB feels like it's too easily taken care off and doesn't have much ways to properly survive stuff.
And fuck Scarab God's price tag,
makes me mad I didn't buy the promo version a dude at my LGS pulled for pre-release for 20 bucks.
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>>55746814
human dino big butts :3

Creatures:23
x3 Kinjalli's Caller
x3 Priest of the Wakening Sun
x4 Drover of the Mighty
x2 Atzocan Archer
x2 Ripjaw Raptor
x3 Steadfast Armasaur
x2 Looming Altisaur
x2 Bellowing Aegisaur
x2 Belligerent Brontodon

spells:13
x4 Saving Grace
x2 Growing Rites of Itlimoc
x3 Sheltering Light
x4 Commune With Dinosaurs

24 land

Stall board with big asses and combat tricks to keep them alive, dig with a mix of priest, commune, ripjaw and even growing rites to get bronotdon, play ~turn 5 if all the stars align with caller, and drover.

Cheesy, but I really want to try something different.
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>>55747121
>preordered one for like 10€
>tfw need a second one

could be worse I guess
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Why do the 10pack booster box things ("fat packs"?) have the little empty cardboard box under the actual box of cards?

To make it arbitrarily taller for some reason?
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>>55748431
I'm guessing to make weighting the packs for scalefags harder
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>>55748431
Fat packs used to come with two boxes, but fewer packs. They kept the outer cardboard poster/sleeve the same size.
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Best site to buy cards?
Also where can I find lewd anime girl card sleeves?
Like really lewd.
Like good chance shop owner asks me to leave lewd.
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>>55749224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USxbfEZvq48
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>>55749245
Max kek
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>>55749245
Stop shitposting in several Magic threads at once with the same thing.
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is the jace from the Ixalan planeswalker starter deck any good?

Are any of the starter deck planeswalkers good?
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>>55746810
If we didnt have scarab god this card would be garbage
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>>55746924
Trophy mage, spell pierce, nissa, and dive down
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>>55749453
Never, and this is by design to prevent competitive players from buying out planeswalker decks.
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>>55749453
> -9 to steal three creatures
>if opponents have that many creatures you're either losing or jace is just going to get murdered befre he gets to 9 loyalty
Hmmm...
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>>55749520
>implying planeswalkers ever get to use their ultimate unless it's a jank one
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>>55748306
How is playing loads of creatures different.
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>>55749530
What is Nahiri?
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I wanted to get a couple of copies of scarab God months ago for grixis control. Bought them for dirt cheap. Now I'm a net decker.
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>>55749544
A non-standard planeswalker that requires a ton of protection?
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>>55749544
A janky Pw that saw little play in standard and was shilled by scg in modern to the point people actually played the deck.
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>>55749474
The nicole boris from the hour of devastation starter deck isn't that bad is he
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>>55747758
G-guys?
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>>55746231
Four turn combat damage kills are quite possible, being able to clear the table turn three could save you. Is has to cost them enough momentum that you can afford the missing turn. I'm not sure, Bontu's may or may not see use.
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Anyone got a decent Grixis Control list?
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Why weren't they any Abzan/WB token lists in the SCG open? It seems to do fairly well against monored and WU control with a decent matchup against the energy decks.
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>>55749977
because W is dead
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>>55749977
That's just false. It does ok against mono red. It's pretty meh against energy and it's pretty shit against control.
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>>55747271
I played a WB marionette master deck when Amonkhet came out. Hidden stockpiles is your best friend.
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>>55750123
I dunno. It feels like if monored doesn't have Rampaging Ferocidon, they have to have a near-perfect curve to beat the token deck before they can stabilize and recover.
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looks like Search for Azcanta will be a $15 card by the end of this weekend
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>>55750227
I was just about to buy a playset yesterday, too.
Guess I'm not playing blue this expansion.
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>>55750227
>>55750270
I'm running fishes but it's not in the deck yet. Still afraid to sell my sole copy off though just in case.
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>>55749929
https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/2017wc/2017-world-championship-standard-deck-lists-2017-10-06

Shota's running one and doing alright with it.
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>>55750227
I'm not going to say I knew this was fucking strong (but I totes did) but I'm just surprised I saw a lot of people thought it was a shit card. Literal quotes like, "3 mana activation makes it not standard playable". How bad are people at this game?
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>>55746814
Against those two? B/W, Esper, or Abzan tokens rolls them (with the obvious exceptions of their absolute nut draws). The decks just gain too much life across too many bodies for Energy or Red to really race them, and it gets worse post board. Energy can still win a grindy game though, just watch out for the tramplers.
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>>55750847
And Ballista ofc
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>>55750653
It isn't easy to really forsee how dominant a card will be, but azcanta and ramunap ruins i seriously don't get how people didn't see the potential at least. I still like the black flipland a lot, but azcanta probably stole its possibility of being played.
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>entire color absent from standard world championship
How did they fuck up white so bad
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>>55750847
lol you're retarded if you actually think tokens is some sort of tier 0 deck
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>>55750964
Tokens isn't tier 0, it gets fucked too hard by the control decks in the format, but it does have good matchups against Ramunap Red and Energy
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>>55750961
UW approach and Abzan tokens are solid decks. Worlds just has an inbred metagame because it's 24 players made up of about 3-4 teams bringing the same deck.
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I don't know anything about MTG. Would this be game-breaking?
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>>55751250
In standard? not really, it would make some weird deck top tier but no more than something like energy is right now.
Other formats would fall apart though.
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>>55751309
Interesting. I assume that's because of the effect itself since the cost is *negligible* if the card resolves a turn later, anyway. (If I'm not mistaken). I wouldn't know how to decently balance that sort of effect, because causality says that even allowing for 1 mana to be substituted with any other mana would probably yield the same results.

Okay, how about this one?
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>>55751940
Lmao, that's by far the most broken theory card i ever seen. Even if you are new you should see it's broken.
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>>55751940
wew lad
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>>55751940
this just allows T1 any big creature in the game. It essentially finishes games after the dice roll. Who goes first, wins
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>>55751940
That's outrageously broken. It's a better Channel since it's free and only costs cards from your deck. Turn 1 play this, drop the eldrazi titan of your choice, Karn, Ugin, your whole hand if you're playing affinity, etc
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>>55752290
drop ballista for 40 mana, shoot face, win
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>>55751940
Congrats you've just made a more busted channel.
>Declare red.
>Remove the top 21 cards from your library.
>Cast Fireball.
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>>55751940
noice, here's a tip for ya: when designing cards for a game, know how to play the game. you just made a more polite contract from below.

>how to balance
you don't. not with that kind of effect. you always put a hard-cap on mana gain, otherwise the exercise of making the card is pointless because it's broken.
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Is the vampire squadron hawk and oketras monument combo viable?
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>>55751940
combos well with cards, 8/8
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>>55752411
probably not but it sounds fun as hell. I'm sure there is a new monument deck out there for people to figure out though.
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How does Shota's deck win a game?

it keeps denying the opponent stuff but it has only three creatures
is that enough to kill the opponent?
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Went 2-1-0 and came 2nd at Standard Showdown with Temur. Last game went to time against UB Control. How were your tournaments?
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>>55752537
standard showdown is tomorrow for me. Bringing ramunap red
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>>55752515
Also NIcol Bolas.

>>55752537
>>55752560
I give up on standard. I can't bother just looking at the same Temur energy and the same Ramunap Red until the next rotation.
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>>55752578
>1 week after a new set releases
>give up on standard because people are playing proven decks they already own
hmm
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>>55752515
Grixis stalls the game out until it draws and casts SG or Bolas (or barring those, just beats down with gearhulks), then it steals the opponent's shit and wins. It sideboards Gonti in against RR or Temur.
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>>55752537
Doesn't exist around here. No one plays standard, so the LGSes just horde the packs then crack them.
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>>55752537
>got 2/3 of a deck
>make a list of needed cards and bring some trade-ins for store credit
>shop has exactly 0 of the cards I need in stock, even the lands and uncommons
>fire up tcgplayer and order what I need
>estimated delivery middle of the week after next
I didn't even bother with Standard Showdown today but considering just throwing together a jank version of the deck to at least get some FNM play in this week.
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>>55752411
They're great together, but I don't know if that's good enough for a deck. Won't stop me from trying, though. I love Monument
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Since people seem to discuss this topic right now and since it's definitely going to be a relevant discussion for months to come:
Is Scarab God ban-worthy? The moment the card lands and sticks, you tend to just win the game on the spot if your opponent can't kill you or Scarab God within their next turn and due to mana issues and limitations effectively not existing again every single deck running blue or black can run them, with pretty much every single deck becoming stronger after adding him, no matter your game plan.
Is a card being a wincon on its own, no matter the deck, able to be run in every single deck that's not Ramunap Red or Dinosaurs, enough of an offender (or "oppressor") to warrant a ban?
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>>55753007
It is almost to the point that copter was at yeah? Basically an auto include in every deck that can handle the mana base for it
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>Friend says "that one card is worth more than your entire deck"
It's true but fucking hell, are all mtg players this autistic
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>>55753007
>>55753021
the next b&r is in a week, so I guess we are about to find out
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>>55753007
It's not ban-worthy.
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>>55753021
There were 24 players at worlds this weekend, 9 of them played Ramunap Red, the remaining 15 played Energy variants and 8 of those had Scarab God in, while the rest had Confiscation Coup specifically to steal Scarab God, since Aether Hub allows them to still use it as much as they wanted.

I've been brewing UB lists myself for a few days now since I want to make Treasures and Pirates work as well as some GPG/Reanimator decks in UW or Mardu and every single list I felt could've been improved by adding Scarab God.
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>>55753007
There's absolutely no way Wizards will ban it. Not after the last three standards all seeing bans. As for whether or not it's actually ban worthy I dunno
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Kaladesh was a mistake.

Energy was a mistake.

This isn't the new artifacts-matter plane I wanted, Wizards. Please make it stop.
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>>55753115
>"We've screwed up too much recently so now we will simply not acknowledge our screw-ups."
That sounds like a terrible policy, so it's probably accurate.
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>>55753130
>Energy
Explore was a mistake, energy is fine
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>>55753148
>cancerous untouchable resource that's been dominating standard since its release with no way to remove and cards scaling near infinitely with how much you have
>limited coinflip mechanic that either nets you a land or lets you play a creature with slightly above the curve stats + pseudo-scry

So how's your Temur deck doing recently?
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>>55753184
If only Solemnity cost 2 instead of 3, then it'd be a much more viable answer to energy.
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>>55753184
>No way to remove
Fuck I forgot about this, you're right fuck energy.
Explore is shit though
also I run terrible WB vampires tokens because I think it's fun
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>>55753215
Explore is the Simic mechanic we've been waiting for for goddamn years. What's wrong with it?
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>>55753242
>Using meme words instead of the colours
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>>55753242
It's now broken. It's fine. That's what's wrong with it.
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>>55753257
This is laughable
Explore is godawful
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>>55753257
>broken
Let me guess.
Turbo Search for Azcanta flip because you get to mill?
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>>55753267
I misspelled not
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Hey, has anyone checked out the wonky g/w vampires deck?

A couple people in my area are either brewing it or took it to FNM and it looked really fun and fairly good.


I've seen some variants of https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-w-g-vampires#paper , with a couple of them running the scavenging ooze dino in the main and a bunch of other really janky cards and calls.

It looks dumb and cheap, so I'm thinking of buying in.
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>>55753256
Do you sperg out when people say Temur Energy instead of URG Energy?
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>>55753300
>Sperging out
This is a dumb meme too
No one thinks its cool or epic that you memorise shit like rakdos, just say the colours
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>>55753306
>anon can't remember a few names
Now, don't get angry, your autism is showing.
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>>55753323
Hahahahahaha nu-mtg players are a joke
There is literally no reason to use these meme words
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>>55753256
>this dumb nigger
It's relevant because in both Ravnica blocks the Simic guild had shit mechanics where Explore would have been a very good, flavorful, and balanced alternative.
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>>55753306
>>55753334
calm down anon, it's just easier to say dimir then blue-black, or temur then green-blue-red
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>>55753357
>>55753363
I really wish nu-mtg players would fuck off to hearthstone or some other shit and stop infesting my game
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>triggered tism tantrum
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>>55753409
>nu-mtg
>Ravnica
>literally half as old as the game itself
Do you also lose your shit when people use Dega, Ceta and the other Wedge names instead of spelling their colors out for you?
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>>55753500
it's baiting. just leave it be.
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>>55753500
>Nu-male literally cannot grasp anything
Mtg was better before you fucking millennial faggots appeared
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>>55749538
you sound like a control player...
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>>55753536
Imagine being this mad on the internet.
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>>55753717
>i-if i say hes mad that makes it true xD
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Can UB Favorable Winds save the format?
It's not bad against anything but ramunap.
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>>55753724
xd
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So what's the best way to build a Treasures/Revel in Riches deck? Other than not building one and building something else instead.
>Esper Artifacts with Anointed Procession
>UB Alternate Wincons with Mechanized Production, Revel and Marionette Master
>UBX control with Revel in Riches as its control wincon
Or the jankiest option
>Rakdos Control with Scoepion God, -1/-1 countern and forcing unfavorable trades with Trove of Temptation

I really want to build this shit but my god is it hard to do so considering the entire meta seems to be either aggro or grindy as fuck control.
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New to magic. I've been to the prerelease and generally just play cummymander.

Is it unwise to make a black/blue control deck for standard?
Is it bad to want it because it's the same colours my favourite commander cards are/hope Liliana gets skelly dinos next set?
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>>55754171
>commandercuck
Fuck off
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>>55754183
Let me play one of your three decks, pls.
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>>55754056
It feels like U/B artifacts is probably the best way. Run the UB aetherborn who scrys whenever an artifact comes in and has lifelink to keep you alive.
Maindeck board wipes like bontus because revel triggers on every single creature of theirs you kill.
Maybe even run cards like dowsing dagger to give them more creatures you can kill?
Tezzeret is a must have no question.
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>>55754171
black blue is very strong right now
https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/2017wc/2017-world-championship-standard-deck-lists-2017-10-06
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>>55754336
Yeah, 4 Tezzeret are already on their way, he'd be in the deck in some capacity no matter what. Just having Reckoning as my only wipe feels a bit iffy, not sure if it won't slow me down too much. I hate that black has so few instant-speed kill options right now since Murder rotated. Vraska's Contempt is amazing, but it's almost too good already.

I suppose 3 Reckoning, 2 Expertise and 2 Contempt alongside 2-3 Tezzeret, a playset Kingpins and 2+ Marionette Masters are obligatory, as would be Deadeye Plunderers as a beater.

Dowsing Dagger seems a bit clunky without a creature with evasion, I think I'd rather just run Treasure Maps and get the extra 3 tokens that way. Thoughts on Mech Production? Seems incredibly slow in what it does for a pretty minor difference of winning only 2 tokens earlier.
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>>55754171
Lilli is on some other plane, friend, sorry.
We might get skelly pirates and merfolk next set, however, since there seem to be a bunch of necromancer pirates around.
Dimir Control is one of the strongest decks in the game right now and Sultai/4 color midrange decks are just as, if not more, powerful as are Grixis variants. You'll be fine, just be prepared to shell out some good dosh for Hostage Taker, Scarab God (if he survives bans) and potentially Search for Azcanta.
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>>55754455
production can be okay IF you're running artifact creatures and the like that actually do things to also copy, if not I wouldn't bother with it.
Late game when you've already blown most your token spawning its completely pointless, anointed procession decks don't have this problem because the token land lategame and embalm creatures.
If you can afford scarab god it would be a fucking blow out with marionette master. 4 dmg per treasure would hurt pretty bad.

Could also try esper with refurbish/god pharoh gift/ champ of wits and just try to mill revive marionette then blow your tokens. Kind of scary though because combo decks need really consistent plans to work like that.
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Will Scarab god continue to rise? I was thinking of selling mine, I dunno if it can go above 40.
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>>55754531
I wouldn't gamble on it too long. Would sell just before bans are announced, just in case WotC does go mad and gets rid of him.
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>>55754510
>You'll be fine, just be prepared to shell out some good dosh for Hostage Taker, Scarab God (if he survives bans) and potentially Search for Azcanta.
I've got one Scarab God. Just 59 more cards to go.
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>>55754531
not dropping any time soon unless it is banned somehow
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>>55754556
>Create a card
>People pay big money opening packs for it
>Next set comes around
>Ban it straight away
How the fuck is this okay?
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>>55754556
What day are bans announced at?
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Did wizards stop making yearly core sets?
How am I supposed to get my titans now
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>>55754595
they wont ban it though
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>>55754608
core sets come back in 2019 iirc
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nicol bolas WILL dominate standard
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>>55754601
17th October
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>>55754517
Pretty much my thoughts on Production as well. Not sure if I really want to burn that much cash on Scarab God, he's pretty fucking ridiculous right now. I do have a full Madcap Reanimator deck with Gift already, thought about maybe going that route, but generating enough tokens while cycling/milling through things seems difficult.

Come to think of it, a minor Superfriends direction could work out, since Liliana does a ton of stuff I can make good use of and Vraska is just a bomb in general too. Probably too hard to actually fit them into an artifact theme, however.
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>>55754638
2018, but they will be called 2019 or smth
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>>55754641
Nicol Bolas will dominate the multiverse!
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Give me your revel in riches deck list, anon. Don't you want to win from all that booty?
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Anyone crying about Scarab God is just mad they sold theirs too early, or even worse, chose to invest in RDW instead.

It's not wotc's responsibility to bail you out for your poor financial decisions.
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>>55754661
Superfriends is hard without early color fixing.
I like treasure a lot but the earliest ingame treasure maker has to die before he can even make his token so idk how well it would work out because if you can't fix your mana quick you will be in a tough spot.

I just wish Vraska exiled shit for her -3 especially when her fucking instant card exiles.
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>>55754731

I started building a treasure deck then just ended up replacing all the revel in riches with torment of hailfires and it's a lot better off.
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>>55754742
>chose to invest in RDW instead
fuck you got me. Should I kill myself?
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>>55754742
no one here is saying it should get banned. People are in fear they will do it given wotc's recent trek record.
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>>55754742
>Friend sold his for £8 in credit at our local store
>I kept mine because I think that's a shit deal
>Now it's got this huge jump in price
I wonder if it will actually come down. I'm not one for trading cards anyway, but I like having false value.
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>>55754531
sell it before it is banned friend
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>>55754767
Let's see that list - i just want to maximize my treasures
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>>55754744
Different anon here, posted 2 of my Treasure lists early this thread ( >>55747840 ).
You can easily splash in Vraska without much of a fixing problem. I'm using Sailor of Means for that and it's pretty fucking nice so far. Still feels like I need some changes to the deck. Might replace my Lili with Tezzeret or something, though it's more of a UB control deck with Treasure ramp and fixing than a real Treasures deck.
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>>55754894
I just hope next set has a 1 drop make a treasure dude. I feel like that's what the deck is really missing to boost its power.
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>>55754878

3 The Scarab God
2 Hostage Taker
4 Fatal Push
3 Harsh Scrutiny
4 Torment of Hailfire
2 Yahenni's Expertise
4 Doomfall
4 Vraska's Contempt
4 Ifnir Deadlands
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Fetid Pools
2 Search for Azcanta
2 Treasure Map
2 Thaumatic Compass
2 Primal Amulet
8 Swamp
6 Island

4 Duress
4 Lost Legacy
4 Negate
3 Never // Return

Plenty of ways it could improve, but it's actually winning tbqh.
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>>55754915
A 1 mana creature that also makes a treasure would be pretty fucking busted, since a 2-drop creating one costs RR and would absolutely be a staple already if it weren't for its colors.

I'd much rather prefer Vraska's -3 as an instant. Contract Killing is nice and all but shares a slot with the far better Spell Swindle and is generally way too slow. Not sure about the fairness of a 1UB: Destroy + Treasure instant, though. Might still be alright, since Unliscenced Disintegration is also a thing.
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Do any of you have a list of the meme names for every 2, 3, 4 (and 5!) color combination?
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>>55755001
There's a Grixis Amulet deck going around right now that also uses Hailfire as its wincon by cloning it several times. Might be worth looking up for you, seems like it'd be up your alley.
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>>55755050
>meme names
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>>55755050
i'd like that too
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>>55755094
like uhh... I think I remember the 3 color ones,
Jund, Esper, Banter, Grixis,
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>>55755126
Those are not meme names, those are some of the official Shard names. Look up the Shards (5), Wedges (5) and Guilds (10) for all the 2-3 color names. There are no names for 4 color combinations. It's easier to just say "redless" for example.

>Banter
stop posting
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>>55749453
Jace isn't terrible. He was even played in a high-placing Standard tournament shortly after Ixalan's release (as a one-of, but note that NONE of the actual Ixalan Jace's were played at all).
Six mana is a lot to ask, but drawing cards and untapping your stuff are both good and unlike most ultimates his is reasonably relevant.

Tezzeret's intro card was decent, too. They are slowly creeping into fringe territory, which isn't a bad place to be all things considered.
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>>55755126
>banter
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>>55755030
>A 1 mana creature that also makes a treasure would be pretty fucking busted, since a 2-drop creating one costs RR and would absolutely be a staple already if it weren't for its colors.
Anon didn't specify ETB. Could be a different trigger or activated ability to balance it.
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>>55755186
Honestly, Huatli is also close to being plsyable. If she had 6 Loyalty like Vraska you could probably play her as a 1-of in a Naya Dinos list. Bolas was also not the worst thing ever.
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>>55755356
They are certainly getting better. The original Chandra / Nissa duo were just abysmal, but things are improving.
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>>55755350
what if it was a 1 mana 0/1 that ETB made a tresure token? Like a worse birds of paradise.
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>>55755522
I'd love a 1 mana artifact that taps for 1 mana to create a treasure token, though unfortunately Paradox Engine would break that I bet.
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>>55755522
Not even close to worse.
>usable the turn it enters
>artifact synergy
>ETB abuse
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>>55755725
That shit would just be broken in general and a better ramp spell than anything green has. Creating a treasure like that would have to at the very least cost 3, probably 5 if its neutral mana. You could maybe do a 1 mana artifact that lets you exile a card from your GY, pay 2 mana, tap and then create a token. Maybe let it also place a counter and transforn eventually or something.
Flavoe could be looting graves for treasure until some terrible shit appears because you defiled the graves and it's a very angry demon now or something.
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>>55755522
>Hidden Cache
>U; Instant; Create a Treasure token.
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>>55754915
Just reprint Thraben Inspector every standard please. I'm being completely serious, I had no idea how much I'd miss that Sherlock looking motherfucker
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Went 3-1 with a modified version of that Cat deck with Sunmare in it from last thread last night. Sunmare and Arcane Adaptation actually managed to work out.
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>>55755838
Sounds spicy. Care to repost your list?
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>>55755050
R=Red
G=Green
W=White
U=Blue
B=Black
With that in mind
BR=rakdos
RG=gruul
GW=selesnya
WU=azorius
UB=dimir
BG=golgari
GU=simic
UR=izzet
RW=Boros
WB=Orzhov
RBG=Jund
GWU=Bant
UBR=Grixis
RWG=Naya
UWB=esper
URG=Temur
GWB=abzan
BRW=mardu
UBG=sultai
RWU=jeskai
4 color is just called 4-color or xless where x is the color not being used
5 color is just 5 color
No color decks usually have a unique name or theme to them, like eldrazi Tron. Tho common word is just using colorless.
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>>55755838
holy shit list please. This sounds hilarious
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>>55755857
thanks senpai
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>>55755850
Main:
4x Adorned Pouncer
2x Crested Sunmare
2x Metallic Mimic
4x Pride Sovereign
4x Prowling Serpopard
3x Regal Caracal
4x Sacred Cat

2x Anointed Procession
3x Appeal // Authority
2x Arcane Adaptation
2x Blossoming Defense
2x Settle the Wreckage
4x Shapers' Sanctuary

2x Evolving Wilds
5x Forest
2x Island
5x Plains
4x Sunpetal Grove
4x Unclaimed Territory

Side:
1x Appeal
2x Blossoming Defense
3x Gideon's Intervention
4x Heroic Intervention
2x Sorcerous Spyglass
3x Watchers of the Dead

To be fair it's just a slightly altered version of the Cat deck that placed 28th in Dallas.
>>55755862
Ironically, I lost to some jank mono-black homebrew in round 4 when I drew garbage even after mulligans but that's just how it is.
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>>55755905
this is about what I expected it to be. Looks like a lot of fun. Saving this if I ever want to make a budget deck
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>>55755928
It was really fun. The Sunmare saved me from a bunch of gifted aetherborn and allowed me to stuff a 40/36 Pummeler and win that game.
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I wish I was good enough to brew a Big Red storm deck that doesn't completely suck. Sunbird's Invocation and Primal Amulet are such cool cards.

I was fantasizing this week about using Hazoret's Undying Fury to cast Eternal Neheb and burn spells to generate mana before I realized how far into Christmas Land that is. But I can't stop thinking about it and I may have to try anyway.
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>>55749590
Compared to the regular Nicol Bolas? He's shit.
Regular Nicol Bolas:
Costs 1 less
Starts with 2 more loyalty
Has multiple plus options, one of which is a free spell
Has a great minus
Has a way better ult for non-EDH
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Does B/W token have a hope? There seem to be enough pieces but everything I've tested has fallen short. Is abzan just better?
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>>55756090
considering green is only for vraska I dont see why BW wouldn't work
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>>55756090
It looks like the only thing the green gives is Vraska, but she's really, really good for tokens.
Her plus makes tokens, her minus makes tokens, and her ult basically wins the game because you should be wide enough with tokens to get at least one point of damage through.
Considering the lists I see only have 1 (ONE) Forest, it shouldn't cause mana problems to include her.
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>>55756090
There's some synergy between Ixalan vamps and Yahenni and his expertise. I've had some good moments wiping a board with expertise and using the free cast to drop bloodcrazed paladin with a shit ton of counters on him or using the 1/1 vamp tokens to fuel Yahenni.
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>>55756078
But the nicole boris from the hour of devastation starter deck isn't that bad is he
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>>55756185
he's shite m8
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>>55756185
He's a metric fuck ton of mana for not great effects. You'd be better off selling him and literally buying a better card to put in his slot.
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>>55755050

The duals come from the Ravnica guilds:

WU - Azorius
UB - Dimir
BR - Rakdos
RG - Gruul
GW - Selesnya
WB - Orzhov
BG - Golgari
GU - Simic
UR - Izzet
RW - Boros

The shards come from Alara, which is why ally tri-color groups are even called shards in the first place:

WUB - Esper
UBR - Grixis
BRG - Jund
RGW - Naya
GWU - Bant

The wedges are from Tarkir, it actually replaced the old names nobody remembered which are listed in parenthesis because knowledge is power:

WBR - Mardu (Dega)
URG - Temur (Ceta)
BWG - Abzan (Necra)
RWU - Jeskai (Raka)
GBU - Sultai (Ana)

Four-color doesn't have a widely used set of names yet but I've heard a decent number of people use the nephilim as a reference point, so:

WUBR - Yore-Tiller
UBRG - Glint-Eye
BRGW - Dune-Brood
RGWU - Ink-Treader
GWUB - Witch-Maw

But again there's like a 99% chance nobody will know what the fuck you're talking about if you say something like "I'm building Glint-Eye control." And five-color is just five-color. Also any of these terms can change again as Tarkir has shown us, although it's probably less likely now than it was then.
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>>55756090
Esper and Abzan are more powerful because they have more options. Straight B/W is fine too, though, you just won't have the haymakers the other two have
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>>55756276
The Tarkir clans have moved into the 4-color names too because of the Rally the Ancestors standard (Jeskai Black, Temurai, Mardblue, etc.)
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>>55756343

Oh you're right, that slipped my mind. I think that probably works for the moment but it'll probably go the way of the Dega once anything better comes along. It is a reasonably widely used terminology though.
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Is it possible for monored to beat a well-piloted abzan token list without rampaging ferocidon?
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>>55756617
I've managed to do it but you need to draw a lot of burn and ways to go straight to their face. Glorybringer helps a lot. I have the ferocidons now though so its much better
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Where can I purchase straight up anime porn card sleeves?
I've been browsing ebay and amazon for like 2 and a half hours only to find panty shot anime girls at best
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>>55757098
good way to get thrown out of an LGS
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>>55757438
I'm not worried about that.
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How many lands should be in a deck
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>>55757697
50
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>A standard card is $40
>Needs to be banned

>Walletslayer Angel
>Prime Time
>Bonfire
>Mutavault
>Gideon
>Tarmogoyf

Also for you retards that didn't play over a decade ago, when the shocklands from RAV were in standard they were anywhere from $20-30 each.
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Have any decks popped up that are just/mainly cards from Ixalan?
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>>55757785
real decks? no.
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>Speculate on Hostage Takers at pre-release events and trade for them
>End up with 9

Noice
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>>55757822
holy fuck anon sell that shit now
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>>55753130

>Standard players are crying about the power levels of fucking KALADESH

You deserve this boring hell of Nu-Magic. I can't even imagine what you people would do if Wizards printed actual good sets again like Tempest and Stronghold.
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>>55757697
It depends on the deck, dummy.

>>55757785
I've gone up against Hostage Taker-based UB Control decks with flicker and Panharmonicon that had some success. Also dinos are gaining a share of the meta, but in my experience they get shit on by Temur.
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>>55754608
>titans
Lmao they'll never reprint those into standard at the moment
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Why doesn't WotC support Block Constructed more? I've never seen a single goddamn store near me that supports it in 20 years of playing.
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>>55757098
I've gotten my waifu sleeves imported from Japan through amiami, they're just animu girls and not porn though
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>>55758184
format gets figured out too fast

in amonkhet/hour the best deck would probably be mono red
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>Vraska's Contempt spiking
>almost $10
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>>55752340
Fireball can be force of willed. Use Banefire.
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So apparently FNMs from this month onwards will be super casual because they're only giving out dumb foil tokens as prizes (in addition to packs)

What's a good Standard deck that isn't tier one or super pricy, but can still win games for this new FNM?
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>>55758710
UW Approach

Pretty simple just a bunch of cantrips, boardwipes some counters and Approach to win.

You have the highest chances of winning game 1 than any other deck other than a curving out red deck and on Game 2 you put in some creatures and shit to deal with the overwhelming amount of hate you are going to get on your approach wincon.
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Energy decks are so fucking boring goddamn. They've been good ever since the release of kaladesh.
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>>55758710

Mono white weenies with horses as bombs
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>>55746810
>that nigger face
we could've gotten this, but NOOOO, they simply must have made her a nigger.
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>>55759395
well she's a thief and scumbag what the fuck did you expect?
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>>55758549
I really just want a format that has Ixalan but doesn't have Kaladesh or Amonkhet and I don't want to wait 11 months for it.
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>>55759411

just find a store that have sealed league and play with it, it's the best you can do right now if you just want to play with ixalan
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>>55759411
sounds like less like you want to play block and more like you don't want to spend money

you're gonna throw away your ixalan cards when dominaria comes out or something?
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>>55759595
>sounds like less like you want to play block and more like you don't want to spend money
That's wrong though. I just dislike those two blocks and their current effect on Standard. I mean fuck they've caused several bans already. They're clearly just badly designed sets that can't rotate fast enough.

>you're gonna throw away your ixalan cards when dominaria comes out or something?
No, that's retarded.
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>>55758710
Im building the Grixis Improvise, only need the Tezzerets, and even those were only 12 euros for a playset. My closest store is super casual anyways, only me and two other guys who play somewhat good decks.
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>>55746810
UB isn't getting love, Wizards just accidentally printed an insane card in those colours. UB as a whole is very mediocre.
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>>55758184
Siege Rhino ironically killed the format.
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>>55750227
I got two during pre-release and almost traded them off but the person decided not to pick them up after all.

Sold my deathgorge scavenger for 2 dollars though ;_;
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>>55759411
Amonkhet is fine though, scarab god wouldn't be a 40 dollar card if not for energy.
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>>55760204
it's the best finisher in standard a lot of decks are playing it, not just energy
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>>55759395
>>55759402

>>55759402

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/fightthenewdrug.org/most-popular-porn-genre-search-of-2016/amp/

White people want to fuck their moms and sisters. Which is worse, being so poor theft and crime seem like the knot option. Or being so sexually repressed you get off on the idea of your parent or sibling.

On top of that. If the current mtg community weren't basement dwelling racists/sexists wiz wouldn't have to pander in order to either push you out or get some fresh meat. Ironically you have caused the demise of your own game because of your pathetic views.
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>>55760366
Woah man, taking it a bit seriously. Besides, rather have incest white people than black people robbing my stuff.
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>>55760366
>step mom/sister
>not actual incest
>no mention of white people
Do you just assume it's just white dudes because niggers can't afford an internet connection and are busy actually fucking their relatives?
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>>55760200
Should I hold onto my search to see if it goes higher or trade it for a collective brutality? I was gonna ask modern general but there isnt one up
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>>55760437
if you need CB for your modern deck and aren't using Search then do that trade.
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>US card prices for anything played regularly 2 digits
>Europe card prices only ever above 10€ for pushed mythics and absolute meta-warping, modern-played rares
How's it feel to pay a fortune for your cardboard compared to the rest of the world?
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>>55760396
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I just created an MTGO account (fairly new player), and did 5 of the new player phantom drafts. I got absolutely crushed in every single event. It wasn't even close in any of the games. I'm not a particularly skilled drafter, but the competition was fierce given that the event is specifically for new players.

Is this indicative of MTGO in general? I don't feel like paying a bunch of money to lose every game I play.
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>>55760909
the level of play on mtgo is higher than irl
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>>55760909

>drafted badly
>got rekt
>instead of trying to git gud he goes: IT'S NOT MY FAIULT, SOMEONE FIX IT, I WONT PAY MONEY IF I WONT WIN MUH GAMES, ITS NOT ME WHOS SHIT, IT'S CLEARLY THE SYSTEM FAULT.

new MTG players gentlemen
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>>55761300
>instead of trying to git gud he goes: IT'S NOT MY FAIULT, SOMEONE FIX IT, I WONT PAY MONEY IF I WONT WIN MUH GAMES, ITS NOT ME WHOS SHIT, IT'S CLEARLY THE SYSTEM FAULT.

I literally never said nor implied any of this. I was simply commenting on my experience as a new player using MTGO.

You are the problem with Magic, not me.
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>>55746402
Hour of devastation SUCKS
doesn't kill carnage tyrant
Doesn't kill gearhulk
Doesn't permanently deal with scarabman
Draws you a card with ripjaw raptor
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>>55760411
Because porn hub is predominately used by the west. Which has a much higher population of crackers. Also the instant defence of "not my actual relative" even though we all know it's still prettt fcked up
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>>55761473
It was good for a moment but it has fallen from grace recently.
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Hey people, where is the card creation thread?
Can't seem to find it in the catalog for some reason. Please no bully.
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So is anyone else already tired of Ramunap and Approach being unbeatable at their LGS?
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How would a card that basically says U, instant, invert the stack, work in each format?
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>>55763286
>U: Counter target spell
Great job not understanding the game there.
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>>55763331
Or should I say, win target counterspell war.
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>>55763185
approach isn't a good deck
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>>55763348
>>55763331
that's the same as dispel
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>>55763360
>8 board wipes, 4 of which can be Gearhulked back
No but seriously, the deck is nigh impossible to beat unless you're running Ramunap and can go under them.
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>>55763418
yesterday's mtgo ptq had zero approach decks in the top 32

the deck wins almost every matchup but mono red game 1 but after sideboard it's harder to win
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>>55763441
Because everyone's sucking the collective dick of Worlds.
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>>55763555
2nd place was abzan tokens, hell there were 3 token decks in the top 8.

and people here were bitching about white being dead
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>>55763598
>Sorcerous Spyglass
>Name Treasure
GG
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>>55763667
>unless they're mana abilities.
?
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>>55748431

to avoid the upper lid hitting your cards
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>>55759411

LMFAO guess what, when Kaladesh rotates out there will be another block to replace it with a higher power level than Ixalan. Ixalan is literally the Battle for Zendikar 2.0 with DINSAWRS XD autism. The only time you'll get to play with Ixalan is in draft.
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Say senpais, could a Mono Black discard deck rape my local Standard Showdown ?
I want to play a spicy underground deck that people are not prepared to face.
I'm still trying to do the math and prepare for every possibility before buying the cardboard.
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>>55763667
>Treasure
>Activated ability
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when a card says "deals X damage to each opponent" does it mean it causes X damage to each player opponent or it causes X damage to each player and creature opponent?
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>>55765256
most likely just the player

usually would have text like "and creatures opponent controls" if it hit creatures too
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>>55765256
Players
Otherwise it would say "each opponent and each creatures"
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>>55763817
I have almost this exact deck. Main problem with it is the lack of a card draw engine. You could use glint sleeve siphoner for this. 4 spyglass and 4 lost legacy are definitely not needed. You probably want to put torment of hailfire in the main too. 4 raider's wake and 4 torment of scarabs is too much. I would go 2-3 or 2-2 on those.

I also found unburden to actually be a decent card in this deck.

For the lands I would put in 4 of the black cycle deserts.
Also drop cruel reality completely, it's just an awful card.
The deck isn't amazing but it can be fun watching people have to pick what to do about torment every turn. Definitely can steal some wins.
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>>55751940
Aside from the fact that its total busted, your formatting is off.

name a color, then exile any number of cards from the top of your library, add X mana of the named color to your mana pool where X is the number of cards exiled this way.

If you are going to make custom cards atleast learn to template correctly. The game works on a set of highly codified rules. You do not declare colors, you name them. Look at the way X is defined in almost any other card that has and X in it "exile X number?" X is a number, that's like writing exile 5 number cards. Don't use face down exile unless it actually makes sense to. colorless nonartifact spells don't use the artifact frame.
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>>55765933
this is my current list
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lmao some guy tried to cast dispel on me tonight at standard showdown
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Is this guy good
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>>55767599
bull, format is already solved
Jeski Dinosaurs are in
beat temur energy, second sun, and rampu red
>also was a homebrew abzan +1/+1 deck
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>>55767943
I don't understand
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>Search for Azcanta was like $5
>$12 overnight
I find it hard to believe these price spikes are due to players buying the cards and not because kikecity games is attempting to manipulate the market
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>>55768196
on MKM it jumped from 2 eur to 7 eur. Every control deck on the World's played a full set of them.
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>>55768196
Only increased from 5€ to 7-8€ over here.

My condolences for having those assholes ruin the game for you.
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>>55767599
He's a good card, just not in competitive formats. Even if you play him in a deck able to cheat him out, like a God-Pharaoh's Gift deck, yoi won't have fodder to then use for him and will often not have a card to search that will decidedly win you the game.
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>>55746814

Been working on Naya Dinosaur Ramp for a while. Here's what I got:

4x Regisaur Alpha
4x Wakening Sun's Avatar

4x Commune With Dinosaurs
4x Abrade
4x Gift of Paradise
3x Spring // Mind
2x Cast Out
4x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4x Hour of Promise
2x Nissa, Vital Force

4x Forest
3x Hashep Oasis
2x Inspiring Vantage
2x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Ramunap Ruins
2x Rootbound Crag
2x Scattered Groves
1x Scavenger Grounds
3x Shefet Dunes
3x Sheltered Thicket
1x Sunpetal Grove

Sideboard:
4x Sunscourge Champion
2x Carnage Tyrant
4x Magma Spray
2x Solemnity
1x Cast Out
2x Fumigate
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>>55767943

>jeskai dinosaurs

what
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>>55768395
That landbase looks weird with so many 2 and 1ofs, so I'd work on that
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>>55768582

It's really been a tweaking process to get this right. I guess I could smooth out some of the one and two ofs a little more, but a lot of them can get tutored up at will by spring or Hour of Promise. Honestly you really only need to hit a single green source by turn three. Once you do that, Spring and Gift of Paradise will fix all the mana you ever need. I guess I could probably trim the Inspiring Vantages but I still want red on turn two for abrade.

Eh, it goldfishes pretty good so far. I'll keep plugging away at it and see if it needs tweaking.
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>>55768395
If you're trying to ramp, why do you not have Drover / Servant and then big payoffs like Gishath?
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>>55768705
Fair enough.
But like the other anon said, why no gishath or even tyrant?
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Why the fuck are decks so expensive in burgerland? I remember building my GR Pummeler when Kaladesh was relatively new and only cost me 20€ and now is a Temur Energy deck investing 3 or 4 more euros the only blue I play are a playset of Rogue Refiners and 2 Islands
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>>55769090

Because people realized that Magic players are the easiest marks to fleece money out of.
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>>55768395
>ramp
>only 8 dinosaurs
>not a single Carnage Tyrant
I get that your plan is "play Alpha, play Avatar, beat face", but even a single Vraska's Contempt stops you dead in your tracks with barely any real recovery or consistent recovery to speak of, especially since Alpha + Avatar isn't even lethal.
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>>55768881
>>55769010

Okay, so a couple reasons for that. I was gonna try using Gishath at first as a big ramp payoff, but he really wants to be in a deck that has a bunch of dinosaurs in it. And the problem with that is that there's no dinosaurs that produce mana. Sure, you have Drover of the Mighty and Otepec huntmaster that care about dinosaurs, but you can't hit them off of Gishath, and if you are trying to really ramp up to a threat quickly you need more non-creature ramp spells that are also misses for Gishath.

So I landed on Wakening Sun's Avatar as a top end instead, because in a format dominated by energy midrange decks and go-wide aggro it turns out that board wipes are super good. That also added its own restrictions in that I couldn't play Drover or Huntmaster because the Avatar would blow them up as well. I might go back on that and give Drover another shot, but with every tier one deck running abrade or fatal push now I feel like two mana creatures that don't immediately generate card advantage are a bit of a liability. Still, jury is out, the mana acceleration might very well be worth it.

As for why no Carnage Tyrants, well...uh...I only own two right now and don't want to drop money on two more just yet. It could be that Carnage Tyrant is very much the correct play, but I really like how Regisaur Alpha immediately generates two blockers (and BIG blockers at that) to hold off aggro. Plus, he also gives Wakening Sun's Avatar haste, which means you can wrath the board and then immediately swing in for 7+. At some point I'll probably grab the other two Carnage Tyrants, but I want to experiment with Regisaur Alpha first.

So TL;DR, I'm betting on Wakening Sun's Avatar being really good in the current format, but he has a lot of deckbuilding restrictions.
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>>55769944
Makes sense anon. Maybe you could find room for the two tyrant by cutting some spells, just because they're pretty sweet, but that's on you. All in all, gl dude. Currently putting together gruul dinos and wishing I could run wrath-Dino.
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>>55769944

Interesting take on the deck actually.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-09-17-brC-naya-dinosaurs/
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>tfw want to play UB Treasures but no room or cash for Hostage Takers and Scarab Gods to make it possible to seriously compete
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Quick, post your spiciest UR prowess decks now that we have Shock, Lightning Strike, Opt and Spell Pierce all in the same format.
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Opinions on this UB Pirate list? I just built it so i don't have any testing with it but it seems pretty powerful, and the hands feel good when goldfishing.

Lands: 23
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Ifnir Deadlands
2 Unclaimed Territory
1 Fetid Pool
8 Island
6 Swamp

Creatures: 23
4 Siren Stormtamer
3 Deadeye Tracker
3 Fathom Fleet Captain
4 Stormfleet Aerialist
2 Daring Sabotuer
2 Kitesail Freebooter
4 Hostage Taker
3 Ruin Raider

Spells: 8
4 Fatal Push
2 Walk the Plank
2 Chart a Course
4 Lookouts Dispersal
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>Check out MTGGoldfish
>Dinosaur.dek being run through a competitive league
>Decks cost over $350 to construct
>Loses against every deck in the format
>everyone in the comments is either pissed or in denial

oh you fucking standard kids. Thanks for all the laughs.

If Dinosaurs had been called "Treefolk" and had exactly the same stat lines and abilities nobody would have even thought twice about building the deck, much less blown a little under $400 on it.
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>>55771310
It feels powerful, until your opponent is on the play and has cheap removal in their deck.
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>>55771484
Okay, suggestions? I plan on playing things like Spell Pierce and Duress against controlly or removal heavy decks.
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>>55771535
I'm playing UB Pirates too, here's my list off the top of my head.

4 Siren Stormtamer
4 Fathom Fleet Captain
4 Daring Saboteur
4 Ruin Raider
4 Dreamcaller Siren
2 Tempest Caller

3 Unsummon
1 the 2cmc nonland bounce spell
3 Lookouts Dispersal
4 Fatal Push
1 Spell Pierce I think I ain't getting this shit out and checking

4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Fetid Pool
4 Unclaimed Territory
7 Island
5 Swamp

Your gameplan is to be disruptive enough to get in for JUST enough damage. T1 Tamer, T2 Fathom Fleet, T3 make a pirate Unsummon your 3 drop is basically unbeatable against the slower decks. Hostage Taker isn't very good in the deck in my testing at my LGS.
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>>55771310
I ran literally this list. It's not good.
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>>55769944
Two carnage tyrants are still good enough desu, I dont think ive seen anyone run a full playset
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>>55771629
>>5577148b
I think I'm gonna put 2 Unsummon in place of the 2 Chart a Course, it feels like a step in the right direction
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>>55771789
Unsummon is honestly excellent at ruining people's day when they try to play honest fair creature decks. Consider Tempest Caller in your deck too. Oh and I run 2 Siren's Ruse.
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>>55771387
>comes to a general for a format he doesn't play
>shitposts in it when janky bullshit decks in other formats are even more expensive
Well someone's bored.
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>>55771856
>Oh damn this deck uses fetchlands and shocklands I already had, oh woe is me :^(
But I'm sure all those dinosaurs will go great in any other standard deck right.
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>>55753765
where do you find high quality card images like this?

I love just looking at shit like this
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Rate my UB Flyers

4 Siren Stormtamer
4 Kitesail Freebooter
2 Blight Keeper
4 Storm Fleet Aerialist
3 Dreamcaller Siren
2 Siren Lookout
4 Nimble Obstructionist
4 Favorable Winds
3 Fatal Push
2 Vraska's Contempt
2 Lookout's Dispersal
2 Chart a Course
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Fetid Pools
2 Submerged Boneyard
8 Island
6 Swamp

SB: 2 Aethersphere Harvester
SB: 2 Bone Picker
SB: 1 Fatal Push
SB: 2 Essence Extraction
SB: 4 Spell Pierce
SB: 4 Duress
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How many of you guys have genuine, competitive experience? Or are the majority of people here just really casual players that go to a handful of FNMs?
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I'm thinking about getting back into my local FNM with a budget/jank deck that revolves around as many of the Torment cards as possible (Venom, Scarbs, Hailfire etc) plus Curse of the Trespasser. It's probably a shitty idea, but I like the thought of a deck that keeps forcing my opponent to pick between two options until they get choked out. Are there any other cards I should definitely consider for this?
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>>55773196
>Are there any other cards I should definitely consider for this?
A noose for when you want to kill yourself from all the Temur Energy and Ramunap Red.
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>>55771310
I've seen some "pirate" lists that focus heavily on control, discard, and Hostage Taker/Gonti shenanigans. Flicker effects and Panharmonicon are interesting tech in there.
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>>55772850
Some FNMs have competitive players.

All the casual players play at another store in my city during FNM.
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Should I play golgari Energy or splash blue for negate, spell pierce and 1ofs Hostage Taker and Scrub God?
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>>55773746
>Golgari energy
But why would you do this?
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>>55773746
You play sultai energy with 4 hostage taker and the full GB constrictor package. You know, an actually good deck.
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>>55763667

>Treasure tokens
>Cards
>Mana abilities

Here's a rules protip for you. Tokens aren't "cards". They are created as the result of card effects but are not actually cards themselves, just markers used to represent permanents created this way. The result of the token created this way also sets its name and subtype (An Elf Warrior token has the name "Elf Warrior".) The only way you could legally name a token as a "card name" for purposes of cards requiring you to name a specific card is if that specific token has the name of an actual card(Pack Rat, Eternalized/Embalmed dudes, cards creating token copies of actual MTG cards etc.) A 1/1 white flying spirit is the same name as any other 1/1 white flying spirit on the battlefield for the purposes of the token being created and relevant for certain cards to target them in reference to the name like Echoing Truth and Maelstrom Pulse however you could not name the spirit tokens(if the tokens are somehow granted an activated ability) for Sorcerous Spyglass if you wanted to since it specifically wants a card that actually exists. To compound this further you can actually name various tokens for an effect like Runed Halo because Runed Halo only wants a specific name but not a specific card. Furthermore Sorcerous Spyglass doesn't stop mana abilities from activating.
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>>55773899
Had most of the deck with BG Delirium before rotation
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>>55763363
/tg/ is trash at magic. Example 2634522063271
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>>55750227

I bought a playset two weeks ago.
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>>55775058
I just said that U: win counterspell war is same as dispel, pointing out that it's not broken.
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Scarab God ban when?
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>>55773916
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-energy-ixa-standard/?cat=type&sort=cost
Except more Hostage Takers, what should I add remove?
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>>55776001
Less Rhonas, Less Gearhulk.
More Hydra. Hydra is fucking godly.
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>>55776107
I unfortunatly don't have 4 bristling hydras, should I replace Rhonas with another Rishkar or Ripjaw Raptor?
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>>55776216
Rishkar certainly.
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>>55774037
>Tokens aren't "cards"
The rulings for Runed Halo explicitly state that you can name tokens.
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>>55776001
Max out Hydras and Refiners.
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>>55776268
>The rulings for Runed Halo explicitly state that you can name tokens.
No they don't, check gatherer.
>01/05/2008 You must choose the name of a card, not the name of a token. For example, you can’t choose “Saproling” or “Voja.” However, if a token happens to have the same name as a card (such as “Shapeshifter” or “Goldmeadow Harrier”), you can choose it.
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>>55776300
Well damn, I just looked at the first ruling.

>01/05/2008 Runed Halo gives you protection from each object with the chosen name, whether it’s a card, a token, or a copy of a spell. It doesn’t matter what game zone that object is in.

Mentions tokens casually then further down tells you that you can't name tokens.
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>>55776323
It means you can name Pack Rat and have protection from it's tokens, that sort of thing basically. Or any Rite of Replication copies.
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>>55776336
Pretty counter-intuitive really. I mean, tokens are physical cards.
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Would Tibalt be significantly better if he had random rummaging instead of random looting?
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>>55776378
what is the difference here?
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>>55776393
Discard randomly first, draw afterwards. Could make more calculated risks based on your hand and/or empty your hand
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>>55776410
He might be a bit better yes, by having you save your madness or flashback cards to discard them and keep card value off it while casting normal cards you draw from him.
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>>55772850
Top 8 in tcg state championship (should have been top 4 but mana fuk in living end where it took 9 draws/4 turns to draw my 3rd land is a thing)
Two gps, one standard went 5-4 with janky Jund Brew during the infamous 4-color standard that was KTK-BFZ standard.
Team modern, despite me doing well team mates went against bad match ups, and one had a jank version of affinity
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>>55770907
I'm running a more prowess without the keyword kinda deck. 4 cryptic serpent and 4 enigma drake. Reliably can cast serpent on 4 for 2 mana and a counter/removal available. The deck could possibly work with a 2 mana prowess dude but I'm trying to keep the deck as resilient a possible to burn spells and removal.
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>>55772850
Done some PPTQs and a GP, generally get around a 50% win rate but I hate building tier 1 decks. I'd much rather build a T2.5 deck than a T1 deck. Needless to say it came as a surprise when I was eliminated from GP Birmingham by Tron when I was on Ponza.
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>>55746131
New player, if I wipe with a sunmare and a token does the token live?
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>>55776954
token should live yes
they all get 'destroyed' at the same time and destruction is a one time thing so even if they lose indestructible it wont remember it got 'destroyed' ealier

it should work that way anyway




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