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Give me all your Viking inspo art, pictures, anything


Also, Northerner general
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>>55792205
Those houses look way too modern and way too German to be Norse.
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>>55793220
>those houses look way too germanic to look germanic
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>>55793282
God dammit Xzibit.
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>>55793282
There's a great disparity within the Germanic cultures, which is only logical when you consider that they'd pick up influences from the cultures they conquered. Those buildings look like they belong in a Bavarian or Swiss skiing resort than an Old Norse village.
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>>55793330
Already daytime in America? Damn, I guess you're setting some record
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>>55793338
Wouldn't know. I'm not a murrican. A Norse village would have looked far more like pic related. You wouldn't have gotten something even resembling what the OP shows until the medieval era, and not in Scandinavia.
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>>55793358
Go post on /hist/ or possibly /arguing over shit nobody else cares about because they don't have autism but do have reading comprehension/

It's a new board, but I think it's pretty fast moving.
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>>55793394
No, I want to discuss historically accurate vikings on /tg/ because those are way more fun than whatever WoW-like video game has got you thinking about them.
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>>55793427
>historically accurate vikings
that's what /his/ is for. Here we talk about fantastical vikings
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>>55792205

I've been on such a huge viking kick. Watched the first season and a half of Vikings. Read all of Vinland Saga, watched all of Last Kingdom, and now I'm up through part 1 of Vikings S4. Been listening to a ton of Viking metal and other shit too. What is happening to me?
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>>55793641
>/his/ being knowledgeable about anything historical
good joke mate
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>>55792205
Ayyy
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>>55793948
Lmao
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>>55793641
/his/ is for wewuzing, downtalking any culture that isn't your own, and half-baked pseudo-philosophical questions about existence.

>Here we talk about fantastical vikings
No, I believe here we talk about tabletop games.
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>>55793881
Aethelflaed's a cute! A CUTE!
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bump
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>>55793705
You kept reading even after the main character turned from an antihero to this cucky shadow of his former self?
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>>55802088

Yeah. I kept hearing that it was nothing but boring farming but idk I found it chill and got into it lol.

My favorite bit is when Thorkell crashes into the peasant's hut asking if he can join their argument bc he thinks it's a fight.
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Photo I took of that while on that new viking reconstruction ship
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>>55806852

I CANT SPEAK GOOD

But it was a very pretty ship.
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>>55792205
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>>55793338
>be european
>post something stupid
>be corrected/called out
>"you must be american"

every time
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>>55793705

I'm right there with you brother
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>>55803739
ThenI do suggest that you try Gripping Beast'so Saga wargame. Fairly cheap and simple to learn and is set during the Viking Era
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>>55802088
>Character growth is a bad thing
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>>55810518
Change is not always growth. It can just as easily be regression.
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>>55808202
What made you assume I'm European?
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>>55793358
The only thing about this pic that bothers me is that someone in the village built their house on an incline, and just decided that the whole house would slant, like the ground.
That is retarded. No one does that.
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>>55793427
Historically accurate vikings were largely agrarian societies with no very large cities or any impressive architecture, which somewhat limit them for roleplaying purposes.
At least in my opinion.

I guess you could run a campaign centered around raising the crew for a raiding journey, getting a ship and the blessing of the local earl, etc.
Might be fun.
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>>55793872
NO BULLY /his/
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>real vikings
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>>55810854
that actually sounds pretty cool.
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>>55806852
>>55806867

nice pictures.

also, nice giant rubber duck.
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>>55811849
>horns
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>>55792205
Also, technically, he's somewhat based on Odin
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>>55814927

The duck is the drakkar's final form
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>>55792205
Ionce made somali elf vikings.

Nobody liked them.
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>>55810537
>He didn't grow because he didn't become more of an edgelord.
>After losing his only reason to live and being reduced to a slave, Thorkell doesn't see a point in fighting. In fact he rather dislikes it because *gasp* people get hurt!
>Thorkell still will not fight until his friends and family were deliberately placed in danger.

Wtf do you think the current arc is about?
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>>55803942
Sauce?
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>>55793705
You like the aesthetic and theme and want more of it.
Its called getting a taste for something. For instance resently I've been having a lovecraft kick and been watching a lot of "lovecraftian" movies and reading a lot of books. Both the existential horrors from outer space and the body horror stuff.
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>>55824617
Total war.
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How distinct are Saxon and Norse cultures in the 9th century? I know they are separated by language, but would they see themselves as kinsmen or rivals?
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>>55824781
oh, rivals certainly. With the whole invasion thing the saxons didn't really like any northmen.
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>>55824656
Ayy, thanks my dude.
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>>55803942
>Wearing your Gambeson outside of your chainmail.
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>this makes me moist
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>>55825042

>hey I want to destroy this only article of cheap armor I own after one skirmish

>say no more senpai
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>>55825203
That's not a gamberson. It's just a quilted tunic. Putting clothing over a halburk was pretty common to keep rain off and warmth in.
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>>55825176
But olaf that's what slanted roofs are meant to prevent!
No huge amount of snow on roof and waterproof, replacable tiles=no moist hoise
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>>55824781

Is that...a mannequin? Because that is a very realistic god damn face.
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>>55824781
they were far from kinsmen, read some of the accounts of saxon priest during the invasion. Basically they call them demons and heathens. that and chads that took away their women because they had good hygiene
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I wonder if several hundred years from now people will be roleplaying as ISIS and making ISIS/ Jihadi threads
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>>55825176
The one standing in southern Poland (!!!) is even better, especially considering the woodwork inside of it.
I still don't exactly understand what the hell a Viking church is doing in Sudetes, but hey, it's there.
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>>55827397
There's a whole bunch of Polish graves near an old hill fort on Zealand, dating from Harald Bluetooth's time believed to be mercenaries or workers hired by him.
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Come to Stamford if u want an asskicking
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>>55824781
Really, really different. I'm struggling to see how the Angles could see any kinship with a group that had a different language, culture, ethnicity even. They held each other in complete contempt.
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>>55793427
Question: How do people prevent thatch roofs from leaking like a sieve?
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>>55810822
This is why Babba Yaga built her house with legs. So that no matter what the terrain is like, her house will always be perfectly level.
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>>55823679
Is it me, or does viking architecture and asian architecture have a lot of similarities?
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>>55828304
Jesus, this guy looks impregnable. It just struck me. How the fuck would you kill such a guy while having similar equipment yourself?

Forget a sword, I don't think even a spear could bring him down.

Not LARPing or anything, but the longer I look at this image the more intimidated I get, wtf.

How the fuck were you supposed to take down something this well armored and trained to kill in one on one combat?
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>posting a Saxon hero bc why not
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>>55828617
Try wreck his shield without having him wreck yours, giving you an advantage in defense
Try close the distance, grapple and go for a vulnerable spot with a shorter blade
Try to outlast him, exhaustion makes anyone weak and prone to mistakes
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>>55828617
Push him over and stab him in the eye.
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>>55828617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
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>>55819353
those are saxons, not vikings
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>>55828767
What you're talking about is at best a 50/50 chance. It's more than likely that even if you're victorious you'd bleed out from injuries
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>>55828785
Northerner general, bruv.
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>>55828659
But Beowulf was a Geat, who were a Swedish tribe
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>>55828792
That's warfare for ya
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>>55810540
The stupidity and monomaniacal obsession with America, I guess. Second guess would be some flavor of Mexican.
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>>55828617
Chainmail over the face will prevent cuts but it does nothing to block a solid hit.
Hit him in the throat with your axe or the edge of your shield, if you're lucky you'll break his windpipe and he'll die
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>>55828792
If you are wearing good armor there isn't going to be any bleeding
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>>55828617
Axes are fucking heavy, mate. Even if it doesn't kill him outright (and it migh), smack him on the head with it. The helmet will make so he might not die instantly but you're almost guaranteed to break something in there
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>>55828802
In a poem written by a Saxon scop for a Saxon audience incorporating Judeo-Christian ethics into the Anglo-Saxon warrior code.

Let's not get bogged down by semanticalities- Beowulf is, through historical context, a Saxon hero.
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>>55824781
The people telling you they were different are absolutely wrong. Anglo-Saxons and the later Danes, Swedes and Norwegians would have been able to understand each other. There are accounts of Saxons and Norsemen exchanging insults in battle for example. Even if they couldn't understand each other right away it wouldn't take them long to understand each other in the way modern Swedes, Danes and Norwegians can with a little effort.


People tend to see the Anglo-Saxon migration as a separation point from the rest of the Germanic world, truth is they would have still traded with each other until relations turned sour in the way they did. Their only major difference was a religious one, Anglo-Saxon law and cultural practices were still similar to continental Germanics.
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>>55828895
Not to mention viking, particularly Danish, settlements and conquests in England getting things mixed up.
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>>55828103
I think he was talking about the Old Saxons rather than the Anglo-Saxons, guys. Especially since the Old Saxons were contemporary Germanic pagans to the Norse.
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>>55828780
I said similarly equipped, mate.

>>55828813
Jesus, that's horrible. I mean even when roleplaying as an adventurer, you know that you will survive most of the mooks and monsters. I'm beginning to imagine the terror of fighting someone who is just as capable of killing you.

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>>55828879
I understand that, guys. I mean, for every kind of warrior there must be a counter tactic. What I'm talking about is the high likelihood of you dying in the melee.

I'm not sure if I'm articulating myself clearly. What's fucking me up is that fact that the guy in the picture can easily kill you. And even if you're just as skilled as him, even something as minor as a stumble, or the sun in your eyes and cause you to die at his hands. Obvious, yes, but it just struck me right now after looking at the image.

Maybe I'm a fucking faggot, but it just struck me as a hammer just how risky something like this is, I donno
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>>55829049
No shit, the same thing can happen to him, that's just how life works.
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>>55829049
>And even if you're just as skilled as him, even something as minor as a stumble, or the sun in your eyes and cause you to die at his hands.
The same is true for driving a car or staying at a train station. You should take a minute and just think about how easily you could die in your everyday life. Puts things into perspective
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>>55829100
Not even remotely similar. Dying in everyday life in an accident is an aberration, something that is highly unlikely. In melee combat death is the only outcome, either for you or the other
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>>55828914
Why do Brits act tough about Saxons when they got conquered at least twice by Danes alone and spend roughly 150 years getting bullied and mugged by vikings before fending off one Norwegian invasion and then got taken over by Normans?
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>>55829049
You gotta remember, combat back then wasn't this one-on-one dueling ninja bullshit you see on TV, you had walls of people pushing forward, rows of sharp, pointy things, cavalry charges crushing people under foot, clouds of arrows, rows of shield walls, ect.
It would be extremely rare to be the sole combatant of that guy in your revalation. It's just as dangerous for him to charge you as it is for you to charge him.
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>>55829124
Melee combat is my everyday life
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>>55829136
>bullshit you see on TV
>talks about cavalry charges trampling people
lmao
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>>55829127
first off:
>assuming I'm a Brit
Bruv I've just got a healthy appreciation for their armor aesthetics because their martial traditions are the bomb.

Two: It's very easy for the Danes to talk shit when most of your raids took place on monasteries and villages with a peasantry that can barely hold its own against bloodthirsty marauders. When stories of your exploits are being recounted by terrified noncombatants and religious zealots, there's going to be a lot of exaggeration. It's borderline inevitable.

Three: The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes played a role in conquering both the Romans, the Native Britons, the Celts, and the Picts.

Four: Danish hit-and-fade raiding tactics are what basically ensured the practice of looting was economically sustainable. Demonstrably, most Danish soldiers struggled when they were face to face with equal combatants, such as the Saxon huscarls. Their crushing defeat at Stamford is testament to this.
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>>55829385
>Demonstrably, most Danish soldiers struggled when they were face to face with equal combatants

Struggled so much England was under Danish rule from 1015 to 1042 when the last guy died without an heir and his English half brother inherited the throne. Not to mention the Brits had been conquered in 1013 but Forkbeard died not long after, so his son Cnut had to do it again two years later. They also struggled so bad that several English kings and French kings had to pay substantial amounts of usually silver to get them to fuck off.
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>>55829749
Maintaining a nigh-perfect record of military victories is a high-order to demand of any formalized body of soldiers.

Though I suppose Edington, Stamford, Brunaburh, the victory at York, and Maldon. There's little need to be reductive to both sides- it's called a struggle for a reason. If Harald was so confident in his attempts to take Britain, he wouldn't have fielded 500 ships.
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>>55829893
I'm just tired of people putting forth the narrative that the norse were a bunch of dummies whose only successful military ventures were raiding and that they were BTFO in any real fight, especially by a group whose entire home country was conquered militarily but said dummies twice. I've just seen too much of it on /his/.
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>>55828795
Doesn't count for folks who were harrow'd.
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>>55793641
I would argue having a solid understanding of what makes vikings vikings would help in creating more fantastical variations or them.
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>>55828819
But if he's Mexican, why ask whether it's daytime in America?
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>>55828360
It's really thick. Like, really thick.
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>>55810822
Yeah, it bothers me too, but I posted it to showcase the style more than anything.
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>>55830487
Going to /his/ for history is like coming to /tg/ for MtG.
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>>55831292
Most of the people don't know what they're talking about, so they parrot what others say and keep saying it till they believe it?
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>>55828895
Who was it that would frequently cut off the middle fingers of their prisoners of war so that when they eventually went home they couldn't fire bows anymore, thus flipping off the middle finger became an insult?
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>>55831491
the french did that to the english
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>>55828895
>would have been able to understand each other
Historical linguists don't agree. The consensus seems to be that the languages were similar enough that a Norseman and a Saxon would have been able to roughly understand what each was saying after some time, but not straight away. Remember, the languages don't even belong to the same branch of Germanic languages, with Anglo-Saxon being a West Germanic language and Norse being North Germanic.
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>>55831292
I went to /his/ from the beginning, before it settled in. Now I know it's where to go for pregnant Anne Frank fanfiction and hyper wars.
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>>55832207
>pregnant Anne Frank fanfiction

Once /his/'s fetish is combined with /k/'s writefagging and /co/'s drawfagging, we'll have the finest fandom on 4chan (and finally smite the beast known as /pol/).
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>Two eyes
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>>55838255
He had two eyes before he had one eye.
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>>55828486
The layers of rooftop do seem similar.
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oh hey guys I found this. I'm sure a base count of victories aren't the whole picture, but it might be useful. continue having a cool thread. that's not sarcasm, even the arguments are cool here.
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>>55839387
To answer the anon's question on this post: "why does the image of the Vikings being a strong warrior people" even exist?

Because they largely attacked defenseless settlements populated by monks and villagers untrained/unfit for combat, and the stories recounted by survivors painted them as unstoppable demons.

Of course, their lifestyle and drengskapr (reckless bravery) ethos made them very potent combatants indeed, but the REAL thing the Viking culture should be lauded for isn't their land-based combat, but rather, their extremely efficient capabilities as seamen.

The image of the Vikings ought to be akin to the Ironborn in ASOIAF- borderline DEADLY on their home turf of the ocean, but against a trained and disciplined army, they tend to struggle.
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>>55839387
Reminds me of when /pol/ tries to do an argument they just paste a fuck ton of sources that they care about without any mention to other sources that support other facts.
Of course the vikings lost some along with pagan traditions thats why they eventually disappeared and converted to christianity.

But, those sources don't list the raids or sacks, that did occur, such as the sacking of Paris and other cities in which they defeated well manned garrisons, and overcome their high walled defences.

>>55839514
I mean the Ironborn are based off of the vikings so in a way their image is that way for some people.
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>>55823679
>not posting the original
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>>55828486
That's not a Viking building. It's at least 200 years too late to be Viking.
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>>55838756
those are sea people though, i mean im sure at least some northern european peoples used horns on their helmets but using sea people, who were most likely indo aryans from syria or mediterranean islanders proves nothing
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>>55824925
It's fun, Attila and Shogun II are the best historic titles. The Warhammer series is their try at fantasy. Not bad

>>55828617
Go for his hands even, anything to disarm or immobilize him. Chainmail cannot stop a good blunt force, but I do get what you mean. Armor DOES help a lot. It is not paper like in films
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>>55828360
Builder Anon Here, thatch, is actually really good building material. It cheap and accessible, its insulating, fairly fire resistant when compacted as oxygen cant get through (though it still isnt great) for it to be effective as roofing material it has to be at least a foot thick and have a steep roof pitch so that water cannot seep through and drains off at the eaves.
Another thing you'll notice on norse house are the thick, decorative barge boards at the ends of the roof. They actually have a purpose, they stop the straw at the ends being pulled away by cross winds so that the roof can stay in place.
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>>55844562
Cool, thanks anon.
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>>55827397
Some Prussian guy (i think) had one built there, which is basically the only stave church outside of what used to be Norway proper
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>>55846704
>forkbeard
>doesn't have a beard
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>>55829749
Dont forget that the Anglos needed help from the Norwegian to make the Danes fuck off from London
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>>55839387
Several of those are Viking victories
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>>55792205
>vikings cant fight for shi-
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>>55829247
>implying they didn't
Swedish Carolean rode an arms length away from eachother, the entire point was to trample niggas.
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>>55810409

I have heard of it! The issue is finding others to play with. This is an area where the only things are MtG, 40k, AoS and X-Wing.

>>55824380
I love the current arc. I also like the art style a lot.
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>>55838188
this is nazi propaganda isnt it?
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>>55793394
If they're well off to build cities like that, why would they ever get the idea to raid neighboring, and not so neighboring, countries.
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>>55792205
Old Norse naming conventions were really cool. Apart from the obvious feature that Icelandic has kept, that the last name literally means "son/daughter of [father's name]" which really is just practical -- "which Gunnar are you talking about? Ah, Gunnar Ulfbjornsson, yes, I know that guy" -- they also had a tradition where the first child born after a male relative died was given the same name as that relative, and subsequent children were given similar names to the first.

So, say we have a Viking named Thormundr Hrafnarsson who gets a son. The last male relative to pass away was Thormundr's father, so the child is named Hrafnar Thormundrsson. Then, Thormundr gets a second son. No other male relatives have passed away since, so he sticks to the Hrafn-theme and names his second son Hrafngeirr Thormundrsson. Then he gets a daughter, and get again he sticks to the Hrafn-theme as it seems to have worked well so far and names her Hrafnhildr Thormundrsdottir. Then, he gets a fourth son, because he is one lucky dude, but by now his brother Thorsteinn has died in battle, and so this son is instead named Thorsteinn Thormundrsson.
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>>55848485
What can you tell us about Swedish, Dane and Norweigian last names?
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>>55850366

Not him, but obviously we had the same system until we didn't. 90% of Swedish surnames are variations of [name]+sson (Jansson, Svensson, Persson etc). Obviously they are 'crystallized' now and the child gets the surname of the father like in most western cultures (unless they are nu-males and forego their surname).
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>>55828879
War axes=/=wood cutting axes

War axes weigh fucking nothing mate
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>>55850450
What about names like Nobel, Brostrom, Lund and Grynkvist to name a few?
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>>55850621
Some were nicknames that stuck as family names, some originated in the military, and some originated from nobility (or the pretense of belonging to nobility). For example, Swedish surnames that end in -gren (literally branch) signify a particular branch of a family. For example, Södergren means "the southern branch of the family."
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>>55829136
>implying the most common form of combat wasn't small conflicts between families with around 4-10 combatants on each side
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>>55850621
Not sure about those, but there's also soldier names. Describing qualities or somesuch. Brave, Quick, Clever, Sword, Rider, Honest, etc. these were given to Soldiers quite a while back, like the 18th century or so, when the regiment had several people with the same name and or surname. The officer would assign them a new surname, because they could do that.

So now we have a bunch of Modig, Tapper, Svärd, Ärlig, Tsar, similar short names. I wouldn't be surprised if Nobel is a soldier name too, since it means, well, noble.
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>>55850744
>the feeling when your surname is Dagger
>you just know that one of your ancestors was way too fond of his knife
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>>55827890
>Entire army gets cockblocked by a single berserker
>Only win because you caught half the vikings without weapons
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>>55850744
>mfw my surname is the shittiest sson version possible

hint it is very jewy.
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>>55850845
>That feeling when your surname is the second most common one in Sweden
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>>55851049
Israelsson?
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>>55851080
yes.
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>>55851080
I'm probably gonna switch first and lastname eventually.
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>>55851049
>Davidsson
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>>55851179
bruh it is even worse
see
>>55851080
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>>55851217
is Israelsson an actual name
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>>55848485
Another cool thing about Old Norse names was that, yes, usually children got their surname based on their father's given name. However, sometimes, especially if the father was dishonored in some way, the children might choose to distance themselves from him, or the mother might just have been of a more prestigious lineage, and take new surnames based on their mother's name instead.

So, in the case of Thormundr, let's assume that he had two wives in his life. The first, Bera was the mother of Hrafnar and Hrafngeirr and died shortly after giving birth the second time. So Thormundr took a second wife, Svangunnr, and got his other two children. Later in his life, he's convicted of a heinous crime and becomes an outlaw, so now Hrafnar and Hrafngeirr start to refer themselves as Berasson instead of Thormundrsson, and Hrafnhildr and Thorsteinn start calling themselves Svangunnrsdottir and Svangunnrsson respectively. This is also seen in Norse mythology where Loki Laufeysson uses his mother's name as the basis for his surname rather than his father's.
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>>55851240
Yes.
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>>55851240
Surname yes.

there's like 2745 of us in Sweden alone and we were fine until some jackass had a bright idea to give Jews a country and name it Israel.
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>>55851299
Shame, that. I'd probably change my name if I had that.

Instead I have an English surname with three holders in Sweden; Me, my sister, and my mother.
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>>55851373
I'v always wanted to change my names because I feel like doing a symbolic rebirth, kill the boy and let the man be born type a deal.
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>>55851412
I feel like that's vain and a good reason for why the rebirth isn't about to happen. Similar to wanting to get a tattoo when you're eighteen. I think most people wanted one, but no one did.
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>>55851449
Lets try to word it better.

I'v always wanted to switch my names but I'v set it up so that I won't do it until I'm a better person with my life under control, it might be vain but sometimes you get to reward yourself.
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>>55838228
Vasilyev's art is neato.
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>>55792205
Two concepts of Norse religion that don't show up much in the mythological stories about the gods but do show up quite frequently in the stories of the heroes, are the Dís and the Fylkja. In English, they're usually translated into "spirit" or something similar, but what exactly they were and how they played a part in Norse religiosity and rituals is largely unknown. Historians have never the less tried to reconstruct as information about them as possible.

A Dís seems to have been some form of guardian spirit connected to a particular family or household. A Fylkja, however, seems instead to have been a re-imagining of a person's afterbirth as personal guardian spirit connected to that particular person, and often taking the form of an animal that was in some way representative of that individual's personality (so a cunning person might have had a fox as his fylkja, a strong person a bear, and so on) and would often be seen, sometimes by the person himself but more often by others, right before he died.
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>>55830487
On the alternative, Vikingfags need to stop acting pissy on their Saxon brothers.

We're all Varangian guard here
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>>55828929
Even worse when the Danelaw wasn't exactly opposed and the Native Saxons treated well.
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>>55839514
Actually, it's because Vikings were often hired swords.
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>>55851904
Weren't the Anglo-Saxons and Vikings like the same people? They're from Jutland iirc which is Denmark or something. They're the same shit basically, right?
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>>55839514
They actually were fairly remarkable warriors dude. They're basically responsible for modern day Ukraine and Russia due to invasion and settlements. They were great sailors, poets and soldiers.

It sucks that Viking stuff now is loaded with stupid political baggage because of the alt right but behind the bullshit they actually were good at fighting and did fight other standing armies.
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>>55852055
Angles lived in south Denmark and Saxons were south of them living in north west germany and north east Netherlands but 200 years intermingling with britons do change a people.
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>>55852127
them being remarkable warriors varies a lot considering you had people who warred quite a lot against eachother and people who just fished/farmed all becoming Vikings.
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>>55852055
Similar, but different. Anglo-Saxons were a Western Germanic people, while the Norse were, well... Norse, or North Germanic (of which Norse was the only branch). They would have spoken similar, though not entirely mutually intelligible languages (somewhat similar to Icelandic and continental Scandinavian languages today, or Scandinavian languages, or like Dutch and German). They're cultures would have been very similar, but not identical. They would share many traditions, and there would be equally many that they didn't share between each other.

Christians at the time might not have appreciated all that much to share their land with pagans, but the Anglican Christians, at the very least, seem to have been somewhat open minded; if the Icelandic sagas are to be believed, there was a particular ceremony that pagans could go through to be considered Christians on Christian land while still remaining pagans at home.
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>>55852181
Is there a chart or a diagram that maps out all the prominent Germanic peoples and their regions of origin?
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>>55852127
>>55852171
for instance Geats and Swedes were notorious for warring constantly against eachother and even then east geats warred against west geats and west geats warred against various Norwegians clans.
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>>55852261
Here's one that covers languages. It doesn't necessarily correspond perfectly to culture, but y'know.
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>>55852264
Doesn't that support my point that they were good warriors? I mean they were hired in foreign lands like the Middle East and Byzantium to be soldiers right? The Middle East was like the centre of the world then so they had to be doing something right if the Muslims were hiring them
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>>55852318
Where do the Celts, Picts, Gauls fit into all this?
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>>55852349
Indo-Europeans, but of an entirely different branch than the Germanic peoples.
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>>55852341
they might have been overall better on an individual level than some other less conflict ridden peoples but it quickly means less when it comes to organized armies.

Byzantines like Norsemen because Norse people held their oaths in high regard and even shunned oathbreakers although they still broke their oaths from time to time it wasn't as bad as regular old Byzantine guards who would shank emperors for a dime.
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>>55852376
Also, this chart doesn't really show it, but some postulate that the Italic and Celtic languages might actually belong to the same proto-branch of Indo-European languages -- the Italo-Celtic family -- as both branches share many features unique to them. Though, it does somewhat imply it by placing them so close to each other.
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>>55852376
Elfdalian bothers me so much in an odd way.

Unique language and used runes way longer than anyone else in the region.
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>>55852621
It has also retained some features that were lost even by the time of Old Norse, so I'm not sure it's correct to call it a daughter of it. The word for water in Elfdalian is, for example, "wattn", while in Old Norse the initial w had already turned into the v in "vatn."
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>>55852376
>No Scanian branch
Upset.jpg
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>>55852888
It's debatable whether Scanian is its own language (or at least used to be) or if its just a dialect. I won't go into detail on it, but there's some support for it at some point, might have been a separate branch of East Norse. At the same time, many of the things that differentiate it from modern Swedish are very recent innovations that weren't even part of the dialect when the region was still Danish.
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>>55839387
>he doesn't know about the Empire of Sweden slapping its huge balls all over the rest of Europe
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>>55852963
>At the same time, many of the things that differentiate it from modern Swedish are very recent innovations that weren't even part of the dialect when the region was still Danish.
Except the vocabulary, the diphthongs, and the general different intonation?
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>>55839387
The Varangian Guard.

They were so incredibly badass as warriors that the Byzantine emperors hired them by the hundreds to come command their armies, be their bodyguards, and drink epic amounts of beer in Constantinople.

>Contemporary Byzantine chroniclers note with a mix of terror and fascination that the "Scandinavians were frightening both in appearance and in equipment, they attacked with reckless rage and neither cared about losing blood nor their wounds"

The Byzantines were fucking terrified of them. Imagine how people who they weren't sworn to serve felt about them.
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>>55853020
I'm not an expert on the subject, but the diphthongs for certain didn't originate from Danish but entered into the dialect at a later date. The vocabulary could just be a result of close proximity to Denmark. The intonation I have no idea about.
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>>55853082
Tell us more, anon
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>>55853082
Now this is wankery.
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>>55853174
Well, basically they kicked ass for a long time but then the Emperors started to cheap out and hired Anglo-Saxons and that was basically that. Empire declined, Anglos went native, Empire fell, the end of eastern (european) civilization.

Which I guess means it's actually England's fault.
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>>55853806
There's certainly a dialectal divide, but I don't think it's enough to claim that there's two separate languages rather than two dialects of the same language, and I don't understand how this relates to Scanian.
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>>55853396
>mfw realizing this won't be the last time England fucks up the Middle East.
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this was pretty good
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>>55852055
Sort of. Norse/Danes Germanics who hadn't already migrated. Divergence but a lot of common ground.
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>>55852055
>The migration of Germanic tribes into the western Roman Empire in the 5th century created a common Germanic culture centered on the lands around the North Sea. Angles and Jutes from Jutland joined Saxons to settle and transform Roman Britain into England.

>King Clovis made his Merovingian family and the Franks the dominant Germanic state in the former western Roman Empire. Protected by the Merovingian king, the Frisians dwelling on the lower Rhine developed trade between
Scandinavia and Western Europe.

>Scandinavians emulated the ethos and material culture of Merovingian Gaul, as attested by rich grave goods found in Denmark and Sweden. Scandinavians also celebrated as their own the legendary heroes of the Volsung cycle, who were based on historical Gothic, Burgundian, and Frankish figures. From the mid-7th century, these bonds were loosed as Anglo-Saxons and Franks embraced Christianity.

t. Kenneth Harl
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I'm surprised no one has posted anything from Fate Of The Norns: Ragnarok.
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>>55793394
>Fire an arrow on fire in one house
>Win
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>>55792205
Who is best god and why is it Vidarr?
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>>55827357
I have logged this. You are now on the watchlist.
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>>55856072
This fucked up eastern europe and led to the rise of Middle east.
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>>55856367
Sounds like bullshit considering trade between Scandinavia and the rest of europe was a thing during the Roman REPUBLIC
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>>55861171
Ullr is better
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>>55861171
Tyr is pretty top and it was a shame he forgotten more and more in favour of Odin which probably is a side effect of Christianity influencing Rome and by proxy the Germanic peoples.
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>>55862019
Odin was the death god and prior to Christian influence there seemed to be no real punishment in death but eventually death turned bleaker and people started to worship Odin more cuz the whole "don't let us suffer in death aspect"
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>>55861982
Nothing there disputing that. Economy activity working towards re-establishing itself subsequent to the the disruption of Western Roman collapse in the 5th century.
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>>55862036
>Odin was the death god
It's a bit more complicated than that. In fact, the gods of Norse mythology are so hard to classify that titles like that are almost useless.

Imagine for example that you know a great physicist, and that you start calling him the Man of Physics, and then someone else claims that he's not the Man of Physics because the Man of Physics is his university professor, and then a third person claims that your both wrong because there's actually no Man of Physics at all but rather a Woman of Physics that they know. It's obviously absurd. More than one person can have great knowledge in one area of expertise, and one person can have great knowledge in several areas. The Norse seem to have treated their gods much the same way, where several gods could be the gods of the same thing, and many of them were gods of many different things.
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>>55851779
>Damn it Loki, not this shit again.
>I mean seriously, you fucked a horse?
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>>55851839
Isn't "took an arrow to the knee" an old as fuck viking slang for getting married? As in, "I used to be an adventurer, but then I got married and settled down."?
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>>55853126
It's different from Swedish and Danish. So is the R, but that's from french. But the melody of Scanian is different from both danish and swedish.

It's kind of humiliating that it's called East Danish, but eh.
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>>55810309
That is such a hideous helm. The rivets make no sense, and the inlay shouldnt extend to the skullcap. It really demonstrates a disregard for what makes the blend of practicality and artistry in nordic artifacts so interesting.
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>>55856072
>All the middle easterners move to europe
>all the europeans move to the middle east
>the europeans turn the middle east into an oasis paradise
>the middle easterners freeze and starve to death
>eventually the descendants of the europeans go full viking and start fucking up the few surviving middle easterners before recolonizing europe
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>>55829049
The hard part of medieval combat was not killing the enemy, the hard part was killing the enemy without dying or being seriously wounded yourself.

We are talking about an age where any decent sized cut has a good chance to kill through infection.
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>>55863356
This, new evidence done from cat scans proves King Tut never died from any head injury, he died from a broken leg. An easy as fuck fix today, but back then shit like that was fucking lethal.
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>>55839387
Aside from many of those sources not actually being examples of a viking defeat...

Vikings were fucking raiders, they were literally farmers going up against standing armies in many of these battles and in many of them they did not lose by much.

When you put it in the context of a bunch of pig farmers sacking Paris, sacking Constantinople, Nearly conquering england, etc. you can see how they are impressive. They weren't the best or most disciplined army because they weren't even an army.
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>>55863391
Yep, even in World War 1 soldiers were dying left right and centre of a piece of shrapnel in the abdomen. Something that surgeons take care of nowadays with a very high success rate. Back then it was a death sentence.
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>>55862036
>Odin was the death god
Odin is associated with death because he can speak with the dead to and fall warrior may brought to valhalla for eternal party if they are not chosen by Freya first, that is, but he is not THE death god.
Neither is he THE god of magic or THE god of war.
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>>55863461
But he's the main god of wisdom and magic and war, all together. They sacrificed to him for war and wisdom and shiet
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>>55863461
Odin was the god that rolled nat 18s in everything
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>>55851080
>son of the god-grappler
Im not seeing a problem
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>>55863473
>But he's the main god of wisdom and magic and war
Yes to wisdom, depends to magic and no to war
He is master of all magic, but he learned seidr from Freya because why not
Tyr is the god of war, Odin the god of victory, because he rather cheats than loosing a fight.
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>>55820594
A shitload of Christian holiday rituals are based off of old pagan ones. It made it easier for the Scands of old to convert and start worshipping Battle-God Christ.
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>>55860903
>fire arrow
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>>55861171
Andhrímnir
Norse god of cookery, slaughters a giant boar god every night to feed the host of Valhalla and never bitches about it
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>>55863818
>and never bitches about it
Who? The boar or the god?
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>>55863725
The whole point of Lindy's video was fire-arrows are /only/ useful for setting flammable buildings on fire, and not for general combat use.
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>>55863276
you got fucked by a horse?
It a whole 'nother level.
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>4chan jokingly calls Scandinavians elves
>Freyr was the lord of the legendary swedish royal house
>Freyr was gifted Alfheimr
actually shit I was just joking but I read some more up on it and Alfheim was a region split between Norway and Sweden
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>>55864062
Both, apparently all Norse animal gods just regenerate after they're eaten. Like Thor's goats.
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>>55864218
>launch a bunch of clay jars full of highly flammable liquids like oil or pitch at your enemies
>then fire a bunch of flaming arrows at them
>sit back and enjoy the stench of burning flesh and screams of unending agony

Fucking pleb, do you even war?
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>>55853396
btfo
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>>55861171
Vidarr is the perfect god. He doesn't talk so he can't ask you for shit and can't tell you to do shit.

But he expects you to exact revenge on everyone who has wronged you.

There's really no way to improve on Vidarr.
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>>55793282
Germanic =/= Germans

Germans are Germanic but all Germanics aren't german.

You numbnuts.
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Are celts and gauls allowed? I dont have any but they are pretty great and I would love some of those.
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>>55866648
I'm sure if someone has some art they will post it.
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>>55864778
They would actually use sand that they'd heat up, historically. Oil/pitch would be too expensive and too hard to maintain.
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>>55853396
Well, if you actually want to get into Pissing contests, Scandis and Anglos were hired at the same time, the First Varangians were Slavs, Hence the name, based on a Slavic tribe.
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>>55867277
>the Kievan Rus' were Slavs
hahahahaha

oh man

no

that degeneracy came later when the weak people were left behind
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>>55867312
The Ruling Cast were Vikings, But Most of the nobles were Slavs.

You know, because the Slav Nobles literally invited Rus and his Brothers over?

Just like in Ireland and in the Danelaw, the Vikings were not conquering Warlords ruling over lessers, but respected and fair rulers who had little quarrel over Borders.

Like, do you know why so many Vikings SETTLED in the Danelaw? The Locals were nice.
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>>55867312
Slavs hired by Byzantium are the reason the Orthodox faith was such a hit among them.

Also, the Varangians were one of the last Slavic tribes to meet the Vikings.
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>>55867406
>the Varangians were one of the last Slavic tribes to meet the Vikings.
Varangian is a loanword from Germanic bruh meaning Sworn companion
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>>55867343
likely same shit with the anglo-saxons as well
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I find it funny that the Rus homelands are now called Roslagen (Ruslaw)
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>>55867343
>>55867406
Guys, guys.

We all know the Scandis came in and fucked the prettiest Slav women and then they left.

We know this.

But unfortunately there's no evidence the Kievan Rus' were ever, letter alone at the beginning, part of the Varangian Guard. Plenty of speculation, no documents, no accounts, no evidence of any sort.

The Byzantines probably hired Slavs for lots of thing. After all someone had to remove sewage. But not the Varangian Guard.
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>>55824781
>>55828103
As you go from Old Frisian to Anglo-Saxon and finally Old English and Old Norse, you end up with languages that are all in the Northern and Western branches of the Germanic tree of Indo-Euro languages. Old English has common grammar and lexicon with Old Norse due to this.

Even more interesting is that during the Dane Law after the GHH and all that, many Anglo-Saxons learned Old Norse. Languages were similar enough that with some amount of stumbling you could talk to one another. The eventual issues with all of this was that there were homophones in one of the languages that had completely different meanings in the other (one example I was told of involved "horse").

The influence of Old Norse linguistically is predominantly felt in Middle and Modern English for the most part. Though some changes in Old English are attributed to Old Norse and the presence of Scandinavians in England under the Dane Law.




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