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A thread for discussing the 'Star Trek' franchise and its various tabletop adaptations.

Possible topics include Modiphius' new rpg 'Star Trek Adventures', WizKids miniatures game 'Star Trek: Attack Wing', and Gale Force Nine's board game 'Star Trek: Ascendancy', as well as the previous rpgs produced by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe, and the Star Trek universe in general.


Game Resources

Star Trek Adventures
-Official Modiphius Page (Rules, FAQ and Player Resources)
>http://www.modiphius.com/star-trek.html
-PDF Collection
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/0w33ywljd1pdt/Star_Trek_Adventures

Older Licensed RPGs (FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher)
>http://pastebin.com/ndCz650p

Other (Unlicensed) RPGS (Far Trek + Lasers and Feelings)
>http://pastebin.com/uzW5tPwS

Star Trek: Attack Wing
-Official WizKids Page (Rules, FAQ and Player Resources)
>http://wizkids.com/attackwing/star-trek-attack-wing/

Star Trek: Ascendancy
-Official Gale Force Nine Page (Rules and Player Resources)
>http://startrek.gf9games.com/

Star Trek: Fleet Captain
-Official WizKids Page (Rules and Player Resources)
>https://wizkids.com/star-trek-fleet-captains/


Lore Resources

Memory Alpha - Canon wiki
>http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Portal:Main

Memory Beta - Noncanon wiki for licensed Star Trek works
>http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Fan Sites - Analysis of episodes, information on ships, technobabble and more
>http://pastebin.com/mxLWAPXF

Star Trek Maps - Based on the Star Trek Star Charts, updated and corrected
>http://www.startrekmap.com/index.html

/stg/ Homebrew Content
>http://pastebin.com/H1FL1UyP
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>>57361292
>That feel when the trilithium resin has dissipated into major population centers juuuust right
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So the whole plot is that Discovery never makes it home, right? They're trying to respect canon a little more what with the Defiant reference, and Discovery never coming back explains he Federation not discovering how to see through the Klingon cloak, and maybe abandoning the spore drive project and transferring those resources into transwarp research.

It would be pretty cool if Discovery is Star Trek: Sliders, and they pull a Sam Beckett never made it home.
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>>57361834
>So the whole plot is that Discovery never makes it home, right?
I hope so, but I sincerely doubt it. See, the show is named after the Discovery. What's the show going to be about if the Discovery never comes back and just disappears without a trace? Yeah, that solves the plot hole of "why have we never heard of the mushroom torture machine before" but it doesn't make financial sense from the studio's standpoint. More likely, they'll return to the prime universe at the end of season 1, somehow edit the torturedrive out of existence/history, and try and be a more reasonable show in season 2+.
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Reposting in new bread:
What's the easiest and/or most interesting way to make a Chief Medical Officer question whether to violate the Hippocratic Oath? Other than Tuvix-type scenarios.
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>>57362483
Fulfilling the oath would actually cause harm. Basically, write a scenario where sticking to the bounds of good practices and current knowledge isn't enough and some bad practices are what is necessary to successfully heal someone. Think Nazi science, but necessary instead of for fun.
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>>57362529
>Think Nazi science, but necessary instead of for fun.
This. We had a great debate a few months backs regarding the Voyager episode "Nothing Human". In it, the Doctor enlists the help of a holographic representaton of Crell Moset, a Cardassian doctor who just so happens to be the one of the finest xeno-biological doctors in the Alpha Quadrant. Unfortunately, most of his research and findings are a direct result of Mengele-tier experiments on Bajorans and other species.
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>>57362613
Yeah, this is in line with what I was talking about. Place the character in a position where, in order to uphold the Oath in spirit, they must break it in practice by turning to forbidden and medically unsound experimentation or techniques. Does the CMO let the patient die to uphold the letter of the Oath and not using questionable science or do they violate their principles to save a life?
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>>57362015
It'd be better if they find the Defiant and realize, "Oh shit, this is from yet another universe. Look at this shity uniforms! And how misogynistic and backward are those skirts!"
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>>57363033
"I bet those faggots don't even allow genetic augmentation!"
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>>57363142
Didn't that female admiral give Jason Issacs shit for conducting eugenics experiments? I can't remember too well, the series is fairly forgettable. I'm not even sure why they're wasting a mirror universe plot this early on either. It'd make more sense to do a better job establishing their characters before going, "Tee-hee, and these are their super wicked alternates!"
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>>57363142
"Hell, I bet those fucks don't even torture people for their warp drive!"
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This thread is already my favorite. Discovery finally makes total sense.

"We aren't the super evil mirror universe, nor are we the pussy goody-two shoes primary universe. We're like a point five balance universe. More evil than regular Coke with half the ideals! All for a mediocre taste!"
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>>57362837
Using medical research and techniques discovered by an external authority's use of unethical methodology is, in and of itself, not unethical.
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>>57363473
Make it more direct. Have them need to get materials from a living, breathing and extremely unethical researcher they encounter. Or just make it so they have to kill an alien to get parts/medicine
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>>57363512
Or hell, recycle(heh) the vidiian plot. Someone steals a vital organ to stay alive and you have to decide who gets to live.
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>>57363346
Discovery is like being excited about your group running a Star Trek campaign set in the main universe right around TOS and in the first session you learn that the ships, the technology, the uniforms, the aliens - all of it is wrong. Then you're introduced to the DMPC who is Spock's foster sister.
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>>57362483
>>57362529
The Hippocratic Oath hasn't been part of modern medical thinking for millennia irl, so... nothing much.

"First, do no harm" is bollocks. Medical science today is aimed at doing least harm and involving the patient by giving them, where possible, the information and cognitive tools to make decisions about their own care. You violate the Hippocratic oath every time you take a scalpel to a patient; the kind of medicine that doesn't violate it is the kind of natural-law, god's-law bullshit you hear idiots trying to pass into actual law with tiresome regularity.

The oath is sometimes used as shorthand for medical ethics, but rarely by actual medics unless they think they're talking to idiots.

>>57362613
The problem with Nothing Human is conceptual, unfortunately. I agree it's great drama, but it comes from a very false supposition that Crell Moset could have learned anything useful from the kind of experiments described - Mengele-tier as you put it - which are very much about amusing the senses of the experimenter and very little about science. Repeating the burning of people with acid doesn't tell you anything new about them; even if you dress it up as "necessary" to test healing, it's still unscientific because these aren't lab-ready test subjects, they're just people you grabbed off the street. Human testing irl isn't done until there's been years, even decades of theory, then sample, then lab animal testing, just to get the kinks out of the theory.

No one mind, basically, is so brilliant as Crell Moset is made out to be; bullshit libertarian-like magical thinking about "medical science" shorn of all that tedious science crap doesn't change the fact that he's just a sociopath. In a different career path he'd simply have been another dull Gul floating around in an isopod trying to get people to stimulate his cloacal sheath.

Great dramatically, but only possible in-universe because Starfleet Medical, like so many other branches, are retards.
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>>57363560
Pike chairs for errybody! Beep beep motherfucker!
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>>57360071
She should have, but only because she didn't Tom Riker the shit out of him and re-create Tuvok and Neelix while retaining a perfect Tuvix copy as well.
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>>57363512
>Have them need to get materials from a living, breathing and extremely unethical researcher
Unless said material is sourced unethically and the doctor is aware of that fact then it's not unethical.

>>57363512
>they have to kill an alien to get parts/medicine
There is absolutely zero reason to do that when both replicators and easy cloning exist within the setting.
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>>57363726
I seem to recall murdering clones to also be a terrible idea. Besides, the poster is looking for ideas for dilemmas, not contrarianism.
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>>57362529
So the VOY ep with space Mengele?
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>>57363668
The less they remember about being able to use the transporter to clone people the better. I seem to recall (probably with my ass) that the patterns degrade relatively quickly due to the sheer number of atoms in a single body and the Heisenberg compensator can only compensate for so long.... except for that one time they de-aged Doctor Pulaski.

Then again I hated the time Voyager suddenly decided that future Starfleet only had limited time travel or people go insane, nevermind how often other characters have hopped back and forth with no problems. At least Enterprise wound up ignoring that.
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>Someone tells me that Data wasn't going to murder whatshisface at the end of "The Most Toys"
Imagine being the kind of person that, when presented with something up to viewer interpretation, you choose to believe the option which is less interesting, humanizing, and meaningful to character development
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>>57363595
Okay, so calling Crell Moset space-Mengele is an oversimplification. Didn't we get useful information out of Unit 731? Didn't we get real advances out of non-Mengele unethical German experimentation? And the Tuskeegee experiments?
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>>57363595
That assumes one is using "Mengele" as a literal descriptor and not shorthand for medically unethical. Shortcutting animal research and skipping to human testing would be grossly unethical and would require repeated experiments to work out the efficacy or validity of the research. If you don't give a shit about ethics going directly to human experimentation could cut years off research times for the trade off of increased potential confounds.
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>>57363668
Wasn't Tom Rikering someone stated in the episode to be like a one in a trillion chance?
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>>57363884
That's the kind of person who works in TV/film as a writer now. Citation: STD's writing staff
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>>57363808
>At least Enterprise wound up ignoring that.
VOY time travelers are from 26c and ENT dudes from 30c iirc.
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>>57363768
You don't have to clone the whole person. Also it's not contrarianism, it's arguing that the dilemma is a false one.
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>>57363923
While it was the random convergence of technology and the unusual conditions of that particular planet, not to mention the actions of the transporter chief in that instance, that doesn't mean it couldn't be duplicated. Similar to using the transporter to treat Pulaski. It had interesting implications and you would think would be the source of intense study by Starfleet, but nope. Or using the transporter to visit other universes. The technology was just changed so people couldn't under normal circumstances unless Smiley is involved.

Not that it's a surprise, of course. The transporter would and should be the ultimate medical device up to and including "resurrecting" people, but it would kill too much of the drama from episodes and would be boring.
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>>57363984
Captain Braxton and the Relativity are from the 29th century. Daniels is from the 31st century. Not exactly too much difference, overall, and still seems silly when there are over a half dozen non-insanity inducing (except in viewers) time travel techniques from TOS to VOY.
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>>57364098
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it simply a limit on the number of times an individual can time travel within a distinct timeline before suffering an increased risk of psychosis?
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>>57364098
I want to say it's due to their time displacing teleporter, though DS9 had one of those thanks to chroniton particles from the Romulan cloaking device getting lodged in the ablative armor blah blah yadda yadda.
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>>57364195
Temporal psychosis was simply said to be a condition that could be caused by the temporal transporter. Your odds of developing it increased the more times you were pulled from your own timeline with 3+ being considered too risky under normal circumstances.

Interestingly this still effected "versions" of you that hadn't been temporally displaced yet. For instance a version of Seven was in sick bay complaining of problems before she was plucked away by the relativity. She was developing symptoms because one of her had already been recruited by Braxton but had died.
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>>57364264
Poor Braxton. They arrested him based on what his future self was going to do and waved it away as, "Don't worry, we'll integrate him with his guilty version before his trial." Damn, that's fucking cold.
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>>57363917
Not really, no. Just because you like to skip steps doesn't make you a better scientist, it just makes you a sloppy thinker.

>>57363891
>Didn't we get useful information out of Unit 731?

So little that it qualifies as stopped clock guesswork when you compare it to the overall volume of psychopathy being undertaken as "science".

>Didn't we get real advances out of non-Mengele unethical German experimentation?

No? How do you mean? Do you mean did slave labor in German factories building rocket parts lead to advances scientifically?

Again, in that particular case, no. Rockets were understood a century earlier. The concept of going up in a space capsule wasn't even new at the turn of the century. Putting two very simplistic ideas together isn't hard; it doesn't require a huge slave labor pool to get a rocket into space (as the US rocket program proved).

Medically? What sort of thing do you mean here? Do you have specific examples, or have you just been told it in a general kind of sense?

>And the Tuskeegee experiments?

No. Again, the signs and symptoms of long-term syphilis were fairly well understood - cataloging them gained little to nothing, especially since none of the participants were ever actually treated. They weren't a control group, the data gathered doesn't make a useful control - especially since antibiotics became available during the study which absolutely should have ended any conception that it was scientific to continue the study, let alone ethical. It was an assault upon the defenseless, the very antithesis of the principle of informed consent that underpins modern medicine.

But then we're talking about the nation that gave the world Coca-Cola and Dr Pepper, which but for California banning weed 100 years ago might still today be sold as unregulated, unlabeled cure-alls.
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>>57364826
The hypothermia experiments have cited post-WW2 with controversy. The immunization experiments were simply infecting healthy subjects with a disease, providing them with experimental treatments, then either letting them die if the treatment failed or executing them if they survived.
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>>57363512

B5 danced up to that plot, then Deus ex Vorlon. (but I repeat myself) fixed it.
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>>57365260
>The immunization experiments

That teaches you nothing about long-term effects of immunization, which is the whole point of immunization. It's not enough to say they survived/died, you need 1 year, 5 year, 10 year mortalities, relapses etc.

Bullshit popsci.

>The hypothermia experiments

There's a good write-up of why those experiments were pisspoor science and the data shouldn't be used, here:

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199005173222006#t=article

The long and the short is that by the 1940s every part of German society was dysfunctional - if you didn't get "results", you were The Enemy; if you didn't understand the scientific method you could simply denounce someone who did (because they didn't get Results) and that would be that. There were no good controls on the populations used, the conditions, the number of exposures - and as the article notes, the fact that in forty years the results were cited a little over once a year on average tends to point to their being useless, before you even get to the casual inclusion (without conclusion) of "are Russians just gud @ cold? due Montag, Fuhrer v. curious".

Bad science or not, our understanding of hypothermia and its treatment advanced significantly further without the citing of those results than the results themselves managed to advance it for Germany before the end of the war.

Besides which, it's not like Germany was even the only nation working on hypothermia - plenty of other countries worked it out just fine without bullshit racist experimentation written up like a bad novel, just plain old trial and error. There's a tendency to do the old ALIENS trick when talking about Nazi experimentation - the idea that all of modern science somehow descends from them, when in fact we only kept the relatively sane ones, who were a very small minority.
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>>57365852

I've talked to a psych researchers who had a vague resentment that with a once in history opportunity to do some really good work on brain mapping the Nazis wasted the opportunity with pseudo-science garbage.

Also, this story never mentions Nazis, but that's who he's talking about:

http://www.mayofamily.com/RLM/txt_Clarke_Superiority.html
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>ywn order a raktajino with a jacarine peel
Why live, friends?
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>>57366575
>Not ordering it double strong, double sweet
Pleb taste confirmed.
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>>57368930
>ruining the raktajino by making it sweeter
Is it too powerful for your human tongue? Perhaps we should bring your mother so you can nurse from her instead!
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>>57366575
>>57368930
>>57371059
>drinking Klingon swill
>not starting your day off with a stiff glass of kali-fal
Cloaking at you, to be perfectly honest
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>>57365811
That was a pretty good plot. Shame about the ending. One of the problems of tv around that era was the fear of altering the staus quo outside of major planned events by the show-runners.
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Which subgroup of Starfleet officers could be seen as the most separate from the main body? Which subgroup or specialisation is the most likely to form their own community within Starfleet?
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>>57373856
Easily the Engineering Corps.
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>>57373856
I'd go with Starfleet Intelligence or Starfleet Medical.
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>>57371398
Prune juice, fool. It is a true warriors drink.
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>>57373856
Transporter officers.
Theyare so removed in fact that they couldn't form any cabals.
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>>57373856
I don't think it's ever shown on screen, but I always figured that the cohort of dedicated shuttle pilots that larger ships have must be pretty insular, with a possible exception towards engineering. Both the Intrepid and Galaxy class starships have in-built pilot lounges on their deck plans. Presumable, ships like the Sovereign, Akira and Nebula classes have similar provisions, given the size of their shuttle contingent. That isn't even to mention to Starbase compliments.
Given the sort of job they do, I could well see them spending most of their time in or around their craft, generally only interacting with the rest of the crew for official reasons.
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>>57374498
Transporter officers make the ultimate spies and assassins. 99% of their time is spent unsupervised, and they have direct access to the entire command crew, and the equipment to "accidentally" disintegrate them.
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>>57374498
I like the possibilities of >>57374594 but for people the least removed from the main crew I'd go with those poor jackholes in engineering whose job it is to scrub out the jefferies tubes. Like that theoretical physics guy in Voyager's attempt at their own "lower deck" episode. We're talking about worse than Barclay, who for all his faults was still able to contribute worthwhile plans now and then. This is someone on the Chief Engineer's shitlist or otherwise a social outcast. Even the ensigns look down on them. Even if they wanted to form a cabal nobody would want to be on the same team as them.

That said they probably have managed to form something approaching their own mole man society in the bowels of the ship, though I doubt they can stand even their own kind's company for long.
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>>57372956
I actually liked the ending. It showed the untouchable nature of the Vorlons and the O fucks they gave.
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>>57365811
>>57372956
>>57374962

Call me a faggot (as are we all, this being 4Chins), but I'll take this chance to shill a halfway decent fic I stumbled across in my quest to find more (canon) stories about John ALL THE NUKES Sheridan:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6285772/1/The-Circle-Must-be-Broken
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>>57374735
"Mole men? Time to de-lice the ship, Number One!"
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Has anyone picked up those new TOS and TNG crew pregen sheets Modiphius just put out? How are they, did they capture the characters well?
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>>57375192
I looked at the preview PDF. They seemed... fine.

But I noticed that the TNG characters are from the "default" STA era (that is, the year 2371, just before Generations) instead of starting of the show. They seem to be statted as starting characters are, though.
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>>57361834
>So the whole plot is that Discovery never makes it home, right?

>>57363284
>"Hell, I bet those fucks don't even torture people for their warp drive!"

Voyager did both of these plot lines.

Is discovery just a rip off of voyager?
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>>57375815
It's Voyager but with worse characters and a less coherent narrative. Bet you never thought you'd read that, huh?
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>>57376066
>It's Voyager but with worse characters and a less coherent narrative. Bet you never thought you'd read that, huh?

No, I never throught I'd read that.

Some of the episodes of voyager were fun, but some of them were downright cringeworthy....

I take it that Discovery is all of the worst voyager episodes possible?
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>>57376413
Pretty much. Except with completely unlikable characters and generally unpleasant writing.
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>>57376437
How much "anti white" is in ST:Discovery? is there any?
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>>57376621
"anti-white"? What? None? I don't entirely know what you're asking here.
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>>57376621
The cast is quite diverse, sure, but anti-white... nope.
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>>57376669
>"anti-white"? What? None? I don't entirely know what you're asking here.

Subtle anti-white propaganda, as in, anti-white people.... it's been infecting basically everything lately, I was wondering if there was any of it in ST:Discovery.
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>>57376700
>The cast is quite diverse, sure, but anti-white... nope.

okay, that's all I wanted to know.
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>>57376621
Zero. The captain, who is a white guy, is probably the most entertaining character, if for no other reason than being a mad cunt.
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>>57376701
>>57376722
/pol/, has anyone told you that everytime you open your mouth about what you want to see in media it sounds like you're quoting a Grindr profile?
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>>57376701
>>>/pol/
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>>57377147
>quoting a Grindr profile

a what?

>>57377148
>>>>/pol/

Yeah, I know, I'm posting there as well... I like sci fi though, and D&D, AD&D, etc....

And I love reading about WH40k stuff.

I'll post here if I choose, thank you very much.
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Infinity lockboxes are back in STO, get ready for content update, possibly next week or early next month.
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>>57377190
And we'll give you shit for shoehorning /pol/tardation in here if we choose. Swings both ways, tripfag
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>>57377475
New mission? Or just that mystery slot machine for weapon effects?
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>>57377475
>And we'll give you shit for shoehorning /pol/tardation in here if we choose. Swings both ways, tripfag

Excuse me, I didn't shoehorn old voyager scripts into a lensflare fest and call it a new star trek series.
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>>57377553
You can't make that claim unless you conclusively prove you didn't.
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>>57375051
What exactly was the point of that? I feel like any sort of biological purge could have been accomplished much simpler without the needlessly slow wall of doom.
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>>57377615
>You can't make that claim unless you conclusively prove you didn't.

are you implying that I'm a script "Writer" for star trek discovery?
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>>57377553
Different guy here.
You specifically asked about anti-white propaganda in the show. You got two definitive answers.
Now Trek has always been a lens at which to magnify the current political and societal moods, but that is one aspect that hasn't been forced into the show via a writer/director/producer.
In my opinion though there are a lot of things they've done with the Klingons that share similarities with Arab cultures. This doesn't bother me because "Arab omg so bad terrorists". Rather I don't like the deviation from the already established Klingon culture.
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>>57377642
It was to remove build up of harm harmful radiation.
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>>57377653
>You specifically asked about anti-white propaganda in the show. You got two definitive answers.

yeah, and I was fine with that.

I don't see what the problem is.
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>>57377672
Asking isn't an issue. But /pol/ has a particular reputation of insisting something is what it isn't in order to fit the narrative of what they think. Your question was answered. As long as you can leave it at that there shouldn't be an issue
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>>57377709
>As long as you can leave it at that there shouldn't be an issue

I was, but since you keep bringing it up, I feel the need to go full /pol/ on this thread.

I already dropped the damn thing, just let it go and there won't be nothing.
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>>57374063
This, if anybody is going to start a bootleg Romulan Ale still in one of the Jeffries Tube nexus points it's going to be the Engineers. More than likely directed by the Chief Engineer.
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>>57377792
I haven't gotten to them yet but there are a ton of Starfleet Core of Engineers books. And the Lovell series is about an old decommissioned Daedalus class SCE dug out of a junk yard and turned into a go anywhere do anything engineering ship. They would definitely make their own little clique
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>>57376621
>>57376723
Well there's the white Klingon. Apparently his kind are an unclean caste, or some shit? I can't even remember the bastards name since he pretty much dropped out of the series, though based on everything else going on odds are he's getting that surgery to make him human...for some reason that will somehow let him regain power. Feels like instead of using the augment virus from Enterprise they're going to use this as an explanation for human-looking Klingons.
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>>57377967
>white
Albino.

Big difference.
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>>57377792
In the tubes, did you say?
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>>57377967
>Well there's the white Klingon.

Albino or something?

They never really did explain why TOS klingons just had moustaches, while TNG klingons had the wierd foreheads.... I think in DS9 worf said something to the effect of "We don't talk about it with outsiders", I heard talk that it was supposed to be some kind of genetic experimentation or something that went out of control... or... went perfectly well, or something.

>for some reason that will somehow let him regain power.

Political power, yes?

>>57377967
>they're going to use this as an explanation for human-looking Klingons.

You mean the ones from TOS?

LOL!
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>>57378008
They did explain it in Enterprise. The Klinks got their hands on augmented human DNA after seeing that squad of Augments tear through entire crew of their men.
The klinks they experimented on lost their ridges. Phlox then had to use the augmented dna to create a cure for a virus to prevent a Klingon battlecruiser from glassing a whole planet. So the cure spread but a bunch of them lost their ridges.
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>>57378073
Ah...
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>planning for Trek one-shot set post-DS9
>ask players to give character summaries
>captain player wants to take a "Kirk" approach to male-female xeno relations
>XO player wants to be a half-vulcan that can't keep his emotions in check and swears all the time
>chief of security is first andorian in starfleet
>tac officer would've enthusiastically sided with Admiral Leyton in the "Paradise Lost" arc
>science officer is saying he served with Capt. Janeway and admired her unorthodox style in order to excuse him being a bit less ethical than others
>Chief Medical, Chief Engineer, and Counselor PCs have all been the most normal
>Medical's weirdest thing is having some PTSD-related holoaddiction, but that's normal
>Counselor PC is mostly chill is just looking forward to having fun dealing w/ crazy characters
>Chief Engineer has already dubbed the session "the voyage of the damned" and he doesn't even know everyone's character yet

All the PCs described above are taking an Akira-class in a search and rescue op where they eventually have to deal w/ what's essentially the alien from John Carpenter's The Thing.

How fucked are they?
How fucked am I?
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>>57378367
>where they eventually have to deal w/ what's essentially the alien from John Carpenter's The Thing.

They are just going to take off and nuke the entire site from orbit with torpedoes....
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>>57378392
Jokes on them, it's in the ship already.

They're essentially going to get it onboard after beaming over federation survivors of a ship that tried to self-destruct to kill it on there ship. By the time they realize it's on board it'll have killed at least some NPC.
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>>57378367
Even now the evil seed of what you've done germinates within you.
Make sure to bring us storytiem
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>>57378367
>Andorian
I'm an idiot, I meant first nausicaan in starfleet.
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>>57378073
It was something like an entire Klingon battlefleet, many brave soldiers of the Empire, so even if most Klingons don't look like the TOS version a good deal of the warrior caste Kirk would alter have to deal with would. Made enough sense for me.

I never was a huge Enterprise fan but the last season wasn't too bad when they started digging into how things got to the point of TOS. Exploring the foundations of the Federation and so on.
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>>57378428
>Jokes on them, it's in the ship already.

Well, they will be able to find it lickety split with DS9+ level internal sensors... those things can pick up the DNA of everything on the ship, so it's going to be a pretty short fight.
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>>57378479
Well since I'm modelling it on The Thing, it should be able to mirror their DNA perfectly, or at least perfectly enough, maybe it's close enough that the computers can't tell.

Maybe that could be the hint that something's wrong, prior to any bodies being found (or any in-space recreation of the dog pen scene), maybe whoever's at sensors might detect two signatures of one crewmember before the original is killed and absorbed/taken over by the alien.

>>57378446
When I run it I fully plan to. Session in question will likely be run some weekend this month so storytime might be for awhile.
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>>57378367
>8 players
You're fucked from square one.
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>>57378536
>Well since I'm modelling it on The Thing, it should be able to mirror their DNA perfectly

So, kind of like one of the founders, except animalistic and evil?

You know if it goes through the transporter, it's pretty much game over, right?

You'll have to use an ion storm to force shuttlecraft on them, or it won't work.
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>>57378568
That's why it's a one-shot. And why I'm throwing something at them that if they're stupid, will kill them.

>>57378578
Yes, think the Founders and the coalescent organism from Aquiel in TNG.

And why exactly is that? What about the transporter would catch it/make it identifiable?

That said, thank you for providing the avenue for justifying it being done via shuttles.
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>>57377988
Was he an albino? I can't recall it ever being stated directly (not that that means much, the series has been pretty forgettable). I just recall he was a houseless outcast. I remember DS9 has an albino but his criminal activities and dishonorable actions against his enemies earned him his hatred.

Frankly it's hard to compare Discovery's Klingons to anything we'd seen before. Like Voq sperging over using Federation technology. I mean that's straight up spoils of war. They'll eat an enemy (and I mean eat everything, not just the heart which is where most Klingons drew the line) but heaven forbid you jack their shit and do whatever you want with it. Not this "we don't dare contaminate ourselves. We must secure a future for Klingonese children."
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>>57378536
You could say "Residual warp field radiation" or something like that, from a failed warp core detonation.... like, they tried to detonate the core, but it didn't work or was incomplete, and it just leaked anti-transporter radiation everywhere, so they need to fly a shuttlecraft to rescue the survivors.
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>>57378696
It's stated in discovery that he is. The other klingons even talk about how it makes him a freak.
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>>57378692
>And why exactly is that? What about the transporter would catch it/make it identifiable?

Biofilters... part of the "Hisenberg compensator" that filters out all foreign bio material like diseases and whatnot.

The transporter in essence scans every single atom of what it's transporting, so there is really no where to hide.

Plus, forcing them to use shuttlecraft makes it extra spooky.
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>>57378696
>I remember DS9 has an albino but his criminal activities and dishonorable actions against his enemies earned him his hatred.
Actually, the Albino from DS9's episode, Blood Oath, is not confirmed to be a Klingon. He doesn't really look like one, doesn't act like one, and the other Klingons in the episode don't treat him like one. He may well be an unrecorded species of alien.
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>>57378692
>>57378755

You could have a "Near loss" accident on one of the shuttlecraft (not the one carrying the thing), and use that tense atmosphere to coast into "The hunt for the thing"
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>>57378755
That's not what the compensator does. It's compensates for the uncertainty principle
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>>57378755
Right, but if the Thing is perfectly mimicking things, couldn't it get through the biofilter? Hell, haven't there been a ton of times in TNG where diseases have gotten through the biofilter without them knowing?

>>57378723
That makes sense as a good reason for why they'd need to fly in.

>>57378781
Agreed, that would work.
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>>57377993
Presumably they would have Dave's permission. Sure as shit they wouldn't do it without asking him to remove the "security measures" .
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>>57378802
>That's not what the compensator does. It's compensates for the uncertainty principle

It's all handwavium anyway.... the transporter essentially copies the entire pattern to be transported, destroys it, and uses the energy to re make it at the target destination...

It HAS to have the entire, Atom by Atom blueprint of the object being transported, it uses the heisenberc compensator (probably some sort of cochrane field thingie) to bypass the uncertainty principle, pushes the pattern into the buffer, where the biofilter goes to work.

It's mightily complicated, and I was trying to cliffs notes it.

TNG spent several episodes dealing with the "Killing" problem that the transporter raised becuse of how it functions, and eventually they had an entire episode where they showed that continuity of consiousness was preserved throughout the entire transporter cycle.... so... who knows... maybe it's a micro subspace wormhole displacement now....
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>>57378865
>Right, but if the Thing is perfectly mimicking things, couldn't it get through the biofilter?
Yeah, it easily could. This is something Trek has done before and is easy to do again. Remember: the rules of Star Trek only apply insofar that they make a good character drama since that's what the shows are actually about. If it makes a better experience for the alien to circumvent the transporter biofilter, then it does so.
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>>57378748
For what it is worth to the discussion they did seem to be playing up more Klingon skin colors. T'Kuvma, for instance, looks like he's liquorice flavored. Can't say for certain, though, I guess they didn't eat him?
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>>57378865
>Right, but if the Thing is perfectly mimicking things, couldn't it get through the biofilter?

Well, the changelings did, and I'm not even sure how, that's always bugged me..... so I guess it's possible within ST fluff, it just irritates me, and I find shuttlecraft missions spookier.

Forcefields are going to cut your storyline short though, especially if any of your party realizes what you are doing, and has actually seen the movie "The Thing"

They'll just put everyone in forcefields, and collect DNA samples, and beam the creature into space, then fire phasers at it...
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>>57378776
Really? I guess he looked Klingon enough to me, at least if you bleached a really old one. His mooks weren't but then that just emphasizes he's not welcome by Klingons.
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>>57378954
Yeah, it is admittedly a little weird they could get through, though I guess it's kinda going off what >>57378911 said, in that they apply when the writers need them too.

And true, that would be a problem. The plan for the session though is that they'll search for survivors and clues, come back, begin going through those clues to find out what happened and interview survivors (who all either don't know what happened or have kinda snapped in reaction to what they saw), and while they're doing that the creature either gets caught killing some people or conducting some major sabotage to prevent the crew from finding/containing it.

Additionally, since I'm taking inspiratoin from The Thing, there may be one or two crazed crewmen who realize what's going on and try to "take down the ship" to prevent it from escaping, further damaging key systems that'd make them catching it easier.
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>>57378992
I think he might be intended to be one but it's never stated anywhere or acknowledged to be so. Officially, he is of indeterminate species. I kinda like that too, makes him even more of a mystery character, which I enjoy in my sci-fi.

>>57379055
Don't forget that you can just add special powers to the creature to defeat easy solutions. Perhaps it cannot be contained by normal forcefields, so they can't just quarantine everyone and narrow it down like that. Perhaps it can subdivide so it slowly multiplies over time, adding a real note of urgency to the scenario (find it before it outnumbers you). Don't let an autistic reading of Trek's technology rules limit you, do whatever makes the best experience.
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>>57379055
>they apply when the writers need them too.

Yup, that's star trek.... however to give them credit, they really did TRY to stay logically consistent through the series...es... and they had a HELL of a lot more scientific explanation for their tech than basically any other sci fi show.

>or conducting some major sabotage to prevent the crew from finding/containing it.

OOOHHHH!!! have it take the internal sensors offline, and do a "Alien" style hunt for it!

Have it lock the sensors in a class 1 maintinance cycle (takes hours) with a high ranking officers password (absorbed dude), and then fry a part of the central computer.

>Additionally, since I'm taking inspiratoin from The Thing, there may be one or two crazed crewmen who realize what's going on and try to "take down the ship" to prevent it from escaping, further damaging key systems that'd make them catching it easier.

Ya, that sounds good and spooky.
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>>57378367
So you've got a villain party.

It wont be quick, but it will be a trainwreck.
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>>57379162
Memory Alpha says he's Klingon (mentioned in a book about the original fight with Kang/Koloth/Kor/Dax). Genetically altered to cure him of the augment virus, named Qagh (mistake).
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>>57379178
>Giving a party access to a starship with anti matter weaponary....

That can ONLY end in massive amounts of fun.
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>I think he might be intended to be one but it's never stated anywhere or acknowledged to be so. Officially, he is of indeterminate species. I kinda like that too, makes him even more of a mystery character, which I enjoy in my sci-fi.
The script doesn't state it, though the non-canon books had him as a relative of Kor, I think... There's a superficial resemblance and I suppose there is an implied implication. He's an albino. Okay, an albino what? He's a contemporary of a trio of TOS Klingons and it's a Klingon blood debt thing, I guess he's Klingon. Of course he hardly has to be, but I suppose it is still suggestive.

I do like DS9 for the nods to the old continuity. Poor Darvin (did we ever learn his real Klingon name?) never got his ridges back. A very long life living in disgrace for having failed thanks to a bunch of fucking tribbles.
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>>57379260
>>57379406
If that is true (the non-canon source) then I'm honestly sad. I prefer to think that some rando alien fucked up the three greatest Klingons of their era.

Also, yeah, poor Darvin, he got BTFO by tribbles.
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>>57379546
>Koloth fucks up
>still gets to party with Kang and Kor
>Darvin fucks up the same mission
>forever barred from Klingon society in disgrace, forced to live as a damn dirty human
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>>57379585
There are multiple reasons for this.
Darvin was Klingon intelligence, he got his cover blown and his plot revealed which made the Empire look bad.
As far as i can tell, Koloth was a neutral zone border patrol captain in the area because Kirk was there and had little to do with the poison plot and could claim ignorance of it and keep his honor in tact.
What Koloth should have been dishonored for is spreading tribbles around, as they ended up on his ship. Maybe he redeemed himself with the great tribble hunt.
Either way, he made a name for himself later on with that big honorable battle of great honor with Kor and Kang.
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>>57379948
>Maybe he redeemed himself with the great tribble hunt.
Day 10: The Tribbles are still holding the Eastern Front. Their numbers grow by the hour, while ours dwindle. Morale is low, and our gagh is spoiled. We nevertheless shall continue to fight in Kahless' name, and I swear that one day I will return to you, my Par'Mach'kai.
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>>57379948
I would say that it is possible Darvin could have thrown the blame on Koloth, especially if Koloth wasn't really meant to be there. He could push it off as Koloth's interference and the resulting scuffles with the Federation compromised the mission.

The pivotal factor, least in how I see it, is that Koloth was sent along his merry way and Darvin was sent to a Federation pound me up the penal colony. I can't imagine the Empire fought to get him back and were content to let him rot, meanwhile Koloth was free to push his version of events.

Then again Darvin DID fess up the ploy, albeit at tribble point. And as for the tribbles, I still wonder about those guys. They showed horror at the idea of beaming them into space, but what the hell do they think the Klingons are likely to do? Find the little fuzzy bastards a good home?
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>>57380215
Darvin was given a choice: a hard labor prison and disgrace or helping Cyrano Jones clean up the tribbles. He chose prison. He chose wisely.
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>>57376701
The pilot had some fairly ham handed HURR DURR KLINGONS ARE TRUMP SUPPORTERS implications but other than that it's been fine.
>black female lead sentenced to life in prison and gets in a jail fight
>gay characters catch horrific genetic diseases or get murdered.
I was all set to be indignant about STD but mostly it's been disappointing.
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>>57381320
>I was all set to be indignant about STD but mostly it's been disappointing.
It's the Insurrection of serieses. Neither good enough nor bad enough to be good.
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>>57362483
A Federation Doctor is requested by the Bajorans to confirm numerous war crime allegations against the Cardassian Union. While the doctor does discover numerous instances of brutal injuries and malnourishment throughout the Bajorans populace, they can’t find any reference to this supposed Bajor-Cardassian war. The Doctor must try and piece together how such war crimes could be committed when there hasn’t been any war.
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>>57381438
Except that Insurrection has its good moments and STD just... doesn't.

>>57381520
>pic related
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STD was pimped like it was daring and fresh.
But it isn't.
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>>57381562
>remember the sixty hundred bajorillian
kek
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>>57381562
Goddammit /pol/. You're good people sometimes.
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>>57381875
While I appreciate the complement, I'm not actually /pol/. Never been to the board, didn't hear nice things, decided to stay away.

>>57381859
That's a glorious pic, added to the collection.
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>>57380158
>Not TRIBBLES IN THE WIRE
I love the smell of bloodwine in the morning! (or anytime, really...)
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>>57377671
Actually it was to remove baryons.

Joke's on the writers, all conventional matter is baryonic.
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>>57381438
>>57381562
Insurrection is an apt comparison. Something that claims to be Star Trek, even wears most of the trappings of Star Trek, but rejects basic premises of the setting, contradicts established ideas and yet refuses to do anything new with the concept. All the while it distracts from its own poor writing with flashy VFX.
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>>57383445
I recently saw the ep, at one point they specify stray baryons, which sounds like alpha radiation to me
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>>57385583
>>57383445
>>57377671
>>57377642
If they're specifying radiation and calling it a sweep for baryons, they're likely talking about free, charged particles that have latched on to the magic crap in the walls in the course of, I dunno, being flung out of reality by some kid and his "mentor" who was totally banging him in the sonic showers after "class" if you ask me, being driven into quantum time crap over and over, and you know, basic day to day living in a billion ton metal death hole hurtling through partial reality in a bubble of fuck-you powered by the most idiotically dangerous power source imaginable, which gets shot by particle beam weapons and exploding antimatter on a regular basis.

So presumably the sweep discriminates between atomic matter and subatomic matter (ie doesn't blast apart atoms to free the subatomic particles within and... send them wherever it sends shit).

I had an old CRT monitor with a degauss button on the bottom, and man, fuck me if that isn't the same shit but bigger and greener and slower. Probably pointless, but fun to set off all the same.

Then again, knowing how terrible Starfleet is, maybe the whole thing's just a colossal boondoggle and nobody got around to proving it yet because only people on the flagship or other ships and stations that are in historically important situations ever actually achieve anything.

Theory: all of Star Trek since Trip entered that first alien holodeck has been a simulation, and it doesn't have the processing power to deal with non-hero vessels when they're in unloaded chunks.
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>>57383490
Will it be the same death knell?
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>>57387124
Probably, I don’t see cbs correcting their mistakes any time soon.
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>>57381859
I wonder how much of that stuff is exported to Klingon Empire after Worf went there after DS9. I mean he is about as legendary warrior as you can get and some people will imitate people they respect.
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>>57390204
It seems like something that appeals specifically to the Klingon palette. There’s certainly an export market there if it takes off. There might still be a stigma regarding human drinks though.
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>>57387124
Insurrection didn't kill TNG movies or Star Trek in general. That was Nemesis that did that.
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>>57390435
For decade or so, forgot to add. Insurrection I think had somewhat rocky start but it made it's money back. Nemesis tanked hard on that front aswell quality wise.
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>>57390473
And at least we got an interesting book out of Insurrection.
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>>57390577
Which book might that be?
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>>57391046
This one. It was completed but axed by Paramount before it was published.

Some fans released it to the net after Michael Piller died.
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>>57390340
>>57390204
It's just plum juice, made from dried plums.

There's a lot of fiber and fructose, but not particularly more than any other kind of fruit - it just has a reputation because plums don't travel well, so historically they've been dried into prunes for long-distance transport and long-term storage.

That led to them being cheap to buy (and make into a sweet, fiber-providing drink), which led to them being popular with old people (who like sweet things because they're people, have poop problems because they don't eat well, and like to be frugal), which led to them being a funny thing to give to the comic relief fall guy.

But we don't really know anything about the tastes of Klingon foods. We know they prefer live, meaty foods - but these could be quite sweet naturally, for all we know, and are certainly going to be quite fatty (which is going to cause.... blockages), so prune juice might well be popular in the Empire regardless of origins, because it's going to have the same attraction to Klingons as it does to humans.

The irony is that they're still serving prune juice out of replicators, instead of plum juice (though some plums taste quite sharp when uncooked).
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>>57391865
That is deeply unsettling.
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>>57391865
Has he some sort of plaster over the left (his right) side of his face?
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>>57391142
Those letters by Patrick Stewart give a pretty interesting insight into his thought process. He doesn't pull any punches when he says what mistakes the would-be film is making with its plot, villains and characters.

And hilariously in retrospect, he still ended up complicit to those mistakes by doing both the final script of Insurrection and Nemesis.
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>>57391142
This is a fascinating read. Anyone interesting in writing or in the film Insurrection *needs* to read this.
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Yes, this is makeup for the flashback scenes in the episode "Violations"
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>>57391865
How very French.
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What’s the Star Trek show you’ve thought up but you know nobody will ever make?
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>>57397901
One thing I like in Star Trek is when it's space politic-ing, like Picard's continual banter with the Klingons from being the arbitrator of succession onward. Or when DS9 had to deal with Bajor's shit. It makes great use of the established setting to do interesting things with known players that adds to the whole through world-building.

Not gonna see more of that any time soon.
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Set post Dominion War but pre Romulous assploding.

Set on a renovated antique of a ship, Hyperion class maybe for the iconic shape. Hull has at least three big patches of different coloured metal from generations of outdated alloys in the repair work. Only three officers. Captain, Chief of Security and 2nd in command.. Rest of the crew are just some people doing the job for bed, board and all their drinks for free. Starfleet is going through major ship and officer shortage but refuses to cut back on what it believes it should be doing.

It typically operates in the area of an "independent colony" near the Klingon border. It is Space Tropico complete wit Space El Presidente. El Presedente is a "Vulcan".

The klingon worlds just over the border are only nominally under the control of the Klingon Empire due to the ridge-heads having trouble of their own. Basically the monks are the only things keeping the local little warlords in some semblance of control.

The crew has whackey adventures trying to maintain the peace as best they can on a minimal budget whilst avoiding being stepped on by actual military vessels, tries to follow the demanding orders from Starfleet HQ despite HQ not really understanding the depth they are out of, trying to make living on a centuries old death trap bearable and trying to keep the dilapidated half-wreck of a ship alive.

But with the power of camaraderie, noble intentions and base animal cunning they keep the peace and survive.
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>>57397901
I've mentioned it on a previous thread, but I would love to see "Homeworld, the TNG show". Something that would showcase Picard's diplomatic abilities, but at the same time present a pair of aliens who do not have a clear Good Guy and Bad Guy at the end. I want the Enterprise entering into the futuristic equivalent of a Balkans blood feud.

I would also like for there to be a sort of non-standard balance of power. The Not-Kushan mothership has no shields, it would be trivial for the enterprise to end this (if they're willing to indulge in genocide) by just blasting them. But they probably wouldn't survive the retaliation of hundreds of tiny ships clustering around it, individually puny and helpless against a ship like the enterprise, but all together would be able to overwhelm their shields quickly.
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>>57397901
A show about a ship of Tal Shiar officers who are absolute fuckups, with schemes so thick that they lose track of what they're supposed to be doing halfway through and end up saving the person they're supposed to assassinate or strengthen the relationship between the Empire and the Federation when they're trying to get them into a cold war again.
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>>57381562

Honestly the whole Cardassian-Bajoran thing would have made more sense if it went in the perspective of White Man's Burden and European colonization of natives.
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>>57397901
A series based on the adventures of some Federation citizens with their own small private ship. They go from world to world having adventures and shit.
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>>57398341
I like this idea, though for a series I'd probably make there be like, 7 or 8 species rather than two. The Space Balkans as a response to DS9's Space Israel(/Ireland/Palestine/Wherever) is a cool idea, with a lot of old hatreds, bad blood and atrocities between cultures that are actually very similar in some areas. Maybe have the Klingons raiding occasionally for valuable resources, or the Cardassians or Romulans making a genuine argument that this region of space really would benefit some good ol' fashioned brutal colonialism to keep them from constantly fighting each other.
First season is just about exploring the region, trying to act as a neutral third party and keep the blood feuds from setting off a sector wide war.
Second season could deal more with the ambitions of an outside power, while the Third season could end with the Federation helping forge a lasting peace agreement between the powers, with the hope that it will last long enough for old hatreds to be forgotten.
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>>57397901
A feature-length episode centered entirely around a never-before-seen species of aliens attempting to overcome internal nationalistic, ethnic and religious differences to create their species' first faster-than-light spaceship. Despite political pressures that eventually officially can the project, the multinational crew defiantly comes together in the spirit of optimism and hope to launch the ship, successfully engaging their warp drive and traveling beyond the edge of their solar system. As the crew celebrate their success, they look out the window and see a massive, bizarre vessel unlike anything they've ever imagined. They receive a transmission from the vessel: "On behalf of the United Federation of Planets, welcome to the galaxy. You're among friends."
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>>57398932
Bonus points if very recently prior to that some serious natural disaster shit had gone down and now they know they were being watched.

Their first official message to another species; "I very much doubt that".
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>>57397901
Cold War era nuclear sub dramas modified to be about the Fed-Romulan cold war in the lead up to the destruction of Romulus.
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>>57381562
>Except that Insurrection has its good moments
Such as?
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>>57399652
definitely feeling aggressive tendencies
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>>57397901
So like 10 years after Voyager, and there's this ship, and it's mostly human/federation species crew, but with a few other waifs and strays, and they're heading towards the Gamma Quadrant end of the Bajoran Wormhole because they missed *everything*. They don't know about the Dominion, they don't know about the decimation of the Borg, they didn't even realize the Caretaker was a lifeform and shot out of there before the big Kazon fleet prowling around nearby could "come home". They started out with something midway between Intrepid and Nebula, maybe 300, 350 crew, but by no means top of the line. The science ship you call in for fleet assists.

Just a science ship, with an unremarkable crew and captain, no "one of a kind" wunderkind androids or learnin holligrems or magic space slugs, who figured out that the distance to the one wormhole they knew led back home was 15, 20 years of travel - on a comfortably sized ship, through regions of space that are generally so backward their fleets can be defeated by transporter tricks or outrun - against the seventy, eight, maybe ninety they'd need to go the direct route.

They haven't spent 17 years upgrading, but it's a different ship in many respects. No Borg shields, no quantum torpedoes, the holodecks are gone, scavenged for complex, hard-to-replicate components years ago. Just 17 years of scars and patchwork repairs, tragedies and triumphs, and then, at last, they reach the border of Dominion space.

It's in ruins. The Founders are splintered into factions between those who accept Odo's gift and teachings and those who absolutely do not. Odo is dead, the Dominion is a hell of competing gene-factories and uprising, heavily armed, technologically uplifted species who were using tech light years ahead of Federation standards 17 years prior. Nobody can say from there - 3 years away from the Wormhole - whether it's still possible to pass through; and they all, with a few personal exceptions, blame the Federation.
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>>57400298
tagline would be "There's No Place But Home"
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>>57400298
Good idea, but they'd have had to be abducted BEFORE Voyager was because warcriminal Janeway blew up the array, and therefore would have to begin the 17-year-trek in a two-year window between 2369 and 2371...
Oberth has already been phased out and a Nova is too Equinox-y (although that would be AWESOME)-maybe a Soyuz or Excelsior?
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>>57398930
I was thinking the term "do a show" as in an episode, at most a two parter, not an entire run with the premise.
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>>57397901
Mostly post-Dominion politics. The Klingons are are becoming unstable as elements feel the terms of surrender were too lenient, the Romulans begin pushing for a larger presence in galactic affairs, the fragile Cardassian rebuilding effort, the focus of the major powers on the war over everything else being exploited by the Gorn and Tholians, factionalization within the Federation body politic, and the fact that neutral powers are far more wary of the Federation than before.
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>>57379162
Is it written anywhere that Every ship has super-flagship-science-vessel-warship-flying-apartment shields every five feet in every passage and every accessway like the Enterprise?

Maybe the systems just don't have millions of forcefield emitters sitting around, waiting for that one bad day.
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>>57401596
Not officially, no, but in every ship and station we see in the shows, they have that ability. Voyager had it, DS9 had it, the Defiant had it, the Enterprise-D had it, it very much appears to be a Federation thing. Which makes sense actually, given the boner the Feds have for safety. Remember that they have multiple redundant backups for every major system, just in case one backup fails. Having forcefields throughout the ship does make sense.
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>>57401674
Makes sense really, also makes it almost more annoying that such a dedication to safety is combined with a computer system that Sometimes tracks everyone but also does not say anything about the captain disappearing from his bedroom or a raiding party appearing in engineering until someone notices and asks/complains.
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>>57401762
As I've noted in this thread before, all technology in Star Trek exists only insofar as the plot demands it does. This is not a sci-fi series about technology, it's a character drama and growth series, technology is merely there as set dressing.
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So, anon from >>57378367 again. I've been filling out the ship sheet that the party will be using, an Akira-class, and they're going to be fitted with a "crisis and emergency response" mission profile. The mission profile will give them one of the following talents: Advanced Sickbay, Emergency Medical Hologram, Extensive Shuttlebays, and Modular Laboratories.

The Akira-class already has Extensive Shuttlebays, and Modular Laboratories doesn't work for the premise of the one-shot. Which would be better for to assign to the ship, an Advanced Sickbay to help treating the wounded, or an EMH to be cranky at the crew as they're killed by The Thing?
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>>57401412
So basically the novels.
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>>57401762
That's because the ship's computer is trans-sapient but doesn't really give a rat's ass about the crew, or itself. Every time someone asks the computer to do something is the equivalent of a flea making a hibernating bear stir.
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>>57401847
Sickbay, 100%. You want to limit characters in a horror situation. Also, including an EMH gives the PCs an asset that the Thing can't really take away, and that defeats the horror atmosphere. Give them the Advanced Sickbay.
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>>57401899
True but an EMH is only good as long as the holoprojector is working and is restricted in usefulness by its nature. The Advanced Sickbay gives the PCs more functional resources.
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>>57401114
Oh, definitely before. It'd be a hero-ship we haven't seen before (because that's how new shows work), but I'm thinking something that looks like it was going to be the proto-Nebula, the replacement for the Miranda that would have come into service alongside the Ambassador class. Something along those lines.

But the gist of the idea is that the thing is large enough that despite being in deep space for 17 years, they've never really faced a technologically challenging opponent for any length of time, and when they get to the start of the show we're essentially looking at a time capsule.

Uniforms from the mid-2360s; dustbusters still in some of the weapons lockers. Attitudes and knowledge of the wider galaxy - beyond their sensor range and what the Federation knew two decades before - limited. They just have no idea. It's almost like the Odyssey went through the wormhole and it snapped shut behind them and they had to Voyager home, but reversed, and with an even shittier ship. Who knows? Maybe the most advanced systems they set out with were on their runabouts. But they've had an easy time of it, cheerfully surviving without the tensions Voyager had to start with or the constant assaults Equinox faced, and now they appear to be fucked.

I don't know where it would be after two seasons, but I couldn't say for sure they'd ever reach the wormhole, or even get a message through it; on the other hand, having them go through three or four seasons of that, only to emerge into what should, by two decades after DS9, be a secure and major Federation port system... that could be fun for a few extra seasons.
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>>57402131
Why not just use an Ambassador, actually? It's a nice mid-line ship that's a bit outdated in 2369 (since that is literally as early as this could take place, the wormhole wasn't discovered until then), has a reasonable size and crew complement, and is probably fairly durable due to being made with tried and tested technologies. It sounds basically perfect for your needs.

Also, I do take a little umbrage with this line:
>But they've had an easy time of it
No. After 17 years without support or contact from home, the ship would be literally crazy. They'd have to have figured out something really special to keep order and sanity, 17 years alone is a serious length of time, man. You might want to show the first season as their immediate "we're lost" period, where they adapt, settle in, and figure out a system to maintain order and control over 17 years of travel. You could also demonstrate how they're not in for a rough time really, differentiating them from Voyager's tensions or the Equinox's problems. Then, you end season one on a "and the journey goes on" note and timeskip ahead 17ish years as they approach their goal. When they get to the Dominion, their system of social order breaks down as everything seems to go straight to shit and now they have to manage the internal situation as well as the external.

tl;dr: don't write off 17 years as hunky dory, they had to have some kind of social controls for that period, play with that idea.
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>>57401899
>>57402117
Makes sense, thanks for the input.

Additionally, I'm helping a PC make their character, and he's intending to play as a Nausicaan, which is forcing me to make up their species traits. I've already decided that the attribute bonuses are going to be +1 to daring, fitness, and presence, but what sort of species-specific talents should this person's character have?
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>>57402131
>replacement for the miranda
Nope! best girl is eternal, you can never replace her.
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>>57402269
Seventeen years is also long enough that the crew should be suffering from issues due to aging. Picard was 59 when he took command of the Enterprise.
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>>57402521
70 is the new 35.
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>>57402521
Admittedly, with Fed medical tech, 70 is probably still perfectly functional. In fact, Picard takes command of the Ent-E around that age and no one bats an eye. I suspect that 70 is the new 50 in Fed terms.
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>>57402589
It's also probably why no one cares that Riker keeps defying "up or out;" everyone has more time than they know what to do with.
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>>57402576
>>57402589
Yes, but the crew isn't going to ready access to all the good drugs and shit since they're on the ass end of the Gamma Quadrant.
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>>57402656
Replicators, mate. I bet you can survive for a long ass time using medicines made out of a replicator. They're clearly not hurting for energy, since they manage a 17 year journey and believe they can go the full 20. Sure, maybe you can't get the full money of rejuvenation treatments and whatnot, but I bet someone can keep their mind completely functional and body in decent working order too. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't worry too much about age on this kind of show. In fact, you should cast almost entirely older people. No one in the 20s should be serving on the ship, they'd have been a child when the ship was captured after all.
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>>57402131
>>57402415
http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage_claymore.html would make for a good TNG-era Miranda analogue-just a smaller Galaxy saucer with nacelles and a warp core where the neck connected, still using the Galaxy's colossal primary shuttlebay but replacing Ten-Forward with a strip-style deflector a la Dauntless...all the capabilities of a New Orleans with a simpler and roomier design, plus none of the derp!

IMO, the Nebula just looks too big to be the Miranda-equivalent to the Galaxy's Constitution-this guy's stuff tends to be hit-or-miss, but I like this one.
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>>57402521
There's a strong possibility they had their families with them. Retarded though that policy was, it would give a large enough vessel a sort of generation-ship quality that even Voyager struggled with.
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>>57402521
>Picard was 59 when he took command of the Enterprise.
Picard is probably an anomaly. Sisko was 39 when he was promoted to captain, Riker was 29 when he was first offered command and 44 when he finally accepts his own command, Janeway was somewhere around 35 when she got Voyager (between 27 and 43 depending on the source), and most captains we see seem to be decently younger than Picard was. Not to mention Picard himself earned command of the Stargazer at 28 and kept that for 22 years.
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>>57402131
Combine this with an earlier anon's idea that the bajoran wormhole also moves you a few hundred years through time, but no one's noticed because the other end is so far away, Might be a fun twist in there somewhere.
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>>57397901
During the Dominion war, following some other ship that never really has contact with the DS9 or TNG crews. One of those other fleets that DS9 people were always talking about getting btfo. The sad part is, that actually could go over well today, but it would get butchered.
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>>57402784
>IMO, the Nebula just looks too big to be the Miranda-equivalent to the Galaxy's Constitution
In my head-canon, the Neb was a certain designer's entry into the 2220's flagship competition, which was beat out by the Ambassador (though Neb was still good, so went on to other duties). Neb is clearly an older ship (the bridge is a modified Connie bridge). There are at least three ships in the Wolf 359 graveyard that are kitbashed Galaxy models at various scales, so it'd be easy to see that the particular aesthetic is (or was) somewhat common in Starfleet.
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>>57407588
I think the Nebula was a borderline warship for ending the first Cardassian war. The older gen ships had trouble with Cardassian pack tactics. Meanwhile, a single Nebula waltzed across the border and went on a killing spree and there was literally nothing they could do about it, even when they could track it.
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>>57407588
>>57407645
The Nebbie predates the Galaxy Class by at least decade. See, the Galaxy Class was meant to come online in the late 2340’s/early 2350’s, but major fuck ups and technical limitations meant that the Galaxy Class had the longest development period in Starfleet history. Classes like the N’Orleans and Nebula were designed from the same tech, but using less ambitious design goals/more traditional layouts.
In all likelihood. It’s those very ships that ended the Cardassian war.
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Anyone willing to share the TNG and TOS characters Modiphius recently put up on Drivethru?
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>>57397901
Setup just before Romulus goes boom. Crew onf Luna class ship, is taking it's first voyage in their mission to chart unknown regions that have opened now that Cardassian Union and Romulan Empire are much more cordial to allow to Starfleet ships to move across their space. The Captain and the Security officer are veterans of the Domion War, just junior officers mind you so their around 35-40 when the show starts. Especially the security officer has alot of baggage on what he did during the war. Then all break loose on two parter episode called Armageddon, when the Hobus goes up and Romulus goes kaboom. After that the plot is about the new situation the crew finds themselves as Klingons start to move against whats left of Romulans and the minor powers that where under the thumb of Romulans are now free to do whatever they want.
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>>57397901

I'd like to see a mini-series dealing with the time between Earth made first contact with the Vulcans and the beginnings of the Federation, dealing with humanity struggling to come together and forge themselves a new destiny from the fires and destruction of wars that almost tore them apart. "Birth of the Federation", if you will.
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>>57409331
So, literally Enterprise but good?
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>>57409358

Pretty much yes but less spaceships and more diplomatic tensions involving humanity and the other founder races and centered around Earth.
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Why the hell is there a war criminal in the OP? This triggered me. Spoiler that shit. You wouldn't put hitler in there.
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>>57409439
>You wouldn't put hitler in there.
>wheredoyouthinkweare.png.gif.jpg.exe
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>>57409427
So, literally season 4 but for an entire series?
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>>57409693
To be fair, season 4 was the only one that was anything unique about the show. The first two seasons were spent spinning wheels with recycled generic Trek plots that probably could have taken place in any show. And season 3 was that whole Xindi arc that was ultimately inconsequential to the whole history of Federation. I mean, it was okay, but it was a self-contained story arc that didn't amount to anything. Same with the related and shitty temporal cold war plot.

Maybe they should have started Enterprise with the last season material, and with a clear purpose, instead of dicking around aimlessly for too long. Maybe it could have gone on longer than four seasons.
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Rest of my cards came. Unlike before, these aren't unopened packs but just the commons/uncommons after someone opened and took the rares. I was fine with this because cheap ($22.50 after shipping for all) and because other than MM I own very few cards from those expansions.
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>>57410377
Oh actually the trouble with tribbles box has 20 unopened boosters. I leave the country tomorrow night so I can't go through all of the cards, but maybe I'll open those for you guys before I leave.
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>>57410427
Hold up. Are the Tribble boosters just... tribbles?
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>>57410441
http://www.trekcc.org/1e/index.php?mode=list&id=119

This is the card list. A number of the cards are just tribbles which can also be used for the Tribbles standalone CCG.
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>>57410464
>Tribbles standalone CCG.
I never knew I wanted this, but I desperately want this. Tell me more, cardanon.
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>>57410473
I've never played it, but there's not much to it. You create chains of tribbles (1 tribble, 10 tribbles, ....) growing their population. Also on the card are uno-like commands such as skip, reverse, draw, discard etc. It's actually pretty amazing that such a simple game still has players and gets virtual expansions by the Continuing Committee.
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>>57410555
Looked this up. Sample expansion names:
>Big Tribble in Little Qo'noS
>Nothing But Tribble
>More Tribbles, More Troubles
Whoever is making this stuff is wonderful.
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>>57410596
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>just want a decent game with space dogfights in the Star Trek setting
>still waiting
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>>57412537
X3 had mods for that iirc.
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>>57412537
Shattered Mirror (basically the plot of Discovery except with Sulu)
ST: Invasion
Klingon Academy if you play it right.
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>>57412594
he said decent
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>>57412737
He'll take we we've got and like it, dammit. Star Trek doesn't get good games, don't you know anything about the franchise?
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How do universal translators also make the alien lips sync up to English? Holograms?

If the translators work in real time by scanning brains to determine intentions then why aren’t handheld mindreaders a common thing in the Star Trek universe? The technology seems to be there.
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>>57415440
The delay is so small that your brain just writes out the differences with the shape of the mouth compared to the sound you're hearing.

Predictive, dedicated language processing explains the rest. When they go wrong, you just get fart sounds, like that one Ferengi episode.
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>>57415492
But the lips wouldn’t sync up with English words if they weren’t speaking English. It would be like watching old dubbed Japanese movies.
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>>57415440
It’s all going on in the listener’s head. While that sort of tech does access the speech center of the brain, it doesn’t necessarily have the capacity to read thought. After all, you can still lie while using a universal translator.
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>>57415600
But surely if you have the technology to scan the speech center of someone’s brain with near perfect clarity you can modify the technology to scan other parts. Even if it’s deemed illegal black market mindreaders should be a thing. It seems like Star Trek doesn’t really think through the implications of its technology very much.
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>>57414946
I really like the NX design. It speaks to the legacy of ships we see after it while instilling that sense of not quite polished look the later ships have.
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>>57415815
It's also got callbacks to both NASA designs and the Phoenix. ENT -nailed- the aesthetics. STD makes literally no sense by contrast.
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>>57415810
What’s yo say that the impulses are the same? Thought. Speech. Sight. All separate impulses. Very complex operations. Why create something that interacts with all of them or even understands more than it needs to?
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>>57415810
>It seems like Star Trek doesn’t really think through the implications of its technology very much.
Wow, it's like the tech only exists to further plots that are fundamentally about people! Who would ever suspect this of being a thing?
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>>57415810
Are you a neurologist? Do you understand the brain any further than the pop-science crap available online? No? Then I would suggest that your assertion is equally incredulous as the claims put forward in Star Trek.
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>>57415815
One of the plans for the series that never happened was a refit of the NX to create the first iteration of the secondary hull to show the gradual change in technology.

Or so I heard.
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>>57416155
The Columbia class. Named in honor of the NX-02 Columbia that went missing due to temporal cold war shenanigans in the beta canon. In the Rise of the Federation books T'pol captains one that is also Admiral Archer's flagship.
STO added it as the NX Refit Escort
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>>57416290
Which you can only buy from either the exchange with astronomical amount of EC or from lobi consortium for 900 or so Ferengi anal beads.
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>>57397901
A group of scavengers blunder their way into one of Starfleet's mothball yards in search of some good salvage to make their payments to the Orion Syndicate, accidentally stumble across, hijack a Constitution-class starship, and then proceed to go all Firefly/Farscape as they decide to go into the privateer/smuggling business with Starfleet's equivalent of the US's Missouri re-activation program: the mothballed but fully-up-to-date Enterprise A.
Cue hilarity as the crew, which includes an alcoholic John Crichton, a qt stacked Andorian engineer, an irate Tholian weaponsmaster, a schizophrenic Serbian navigator, a prankster Irishman who's gone depressed after he heard that 'Jimmy' Kirk died, and a Horta quartermaster whose sole purpose is to find more 'shiny rocks' attempt to dodge the authorities in the form of an old and very annoyed Commodore Sulu on the Excelsior, the Enterprise-B, the entirety of the Romulan empire, and the ghosts of the dead Yorktown crew from ST4 (because we all know Ent-A was the recommissioned Yorktown), all while they attempt to acquire more riches than the ferengi and escape with some extremely advanced and experimental technology and their lives.
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>>57415539
They don't. You just think they do because there's no appreciable delay and the speech sounds so natural.

>>57415877
The Phoenix always bugged me.

Sure, it's a repurposed ICBM rocket. Fine. I can live with that. It even explains where they get their radioactive materials from. They scavenge up titanium for the cockpit and it takes them a year.

Where in the blind fuck do they get the antimatter from? Where's the infrastructure to contain it or produce it? There's like 80 people in that project from what we see of it. Do they even use antimatter? You don't - theoretically - need a warp core to achieve warp 1, but you do need some kind of energy generation, because a chemical battery would be so heavy you'd never lift off.

Where'd they get the power for even a few minutes of warp field generation?
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>>57416667
It wasn't anti-matter powered. I think in a trivia quiz in the Year of Hell double parter on Voyager Harry and B'lana are stuck in a turbolift and pass the time with trivia questions until rescue. One of them mentions the Phoenix's warp drive being powered but fusion i think.
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>>57416667
Fusion power with a large bank of capacitors for the initial pulse to get the field up?
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>>57416667
Technically speaking antimatter isn't required for a warp drive (Romulans use artificial singularities for theirs), it's just an easy way of generating a massive asston of energy. Also keep in mind that the massive asston of energy is what's required for, for example, a massive Galaxy-class ship to travel thousands of times the speed of light. A repurposed nuke (smaller size means smaller warp field needed) just barely breaking the lightspeed barrier needs a tiny fraction of that energy, such that a fusion engine could conceivably be good enough.
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>>57416667
Fusion reactor.

There's was a society that had already put out sleeper ships and had moved into the rest of the solar system at least a bit, though the wars had kinda fucked it over. But the conventional tech was there for a compact fusion reactor.
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>>57416714
>>57416719
>>57416746
>>57416766
The Hivemind has spoken.
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>>57416766
Yeah, it's easy to forget that by the time the Phoenix was launched, humanity had already sent out a bunch of easily lost sleeper colony ships and Khan's grand space adventure had already begun.
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>>57416766
>>57416746
>>57416719
>>57416714
thanks /stg/, I can sleep tonight
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STA: Ophion session of the week just ended.
We start off getting to know our new insect/serpentine alien crewmate Xanixia. Her usefulness becomes immediately apparent when she is able to point out a nearby star system to investigate.
We discover a Class L planet that bears similar Advanced Installations to the ones on the Ringworld. We unearth a star chart database and a locked Vault.
Once opened we find a lockbox that who's puzzle is deftly defeated by moi.
Inside is a super advanced railgun rifle.
Back on board the Ophion a prank war seems to have been stirred up with numerous crewmembers setting up their practical jokes. Hilarity is sure to ensue next week.
https://youtu.be/GGIHV9xgCF0
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>>57416842

I keep forgetting about the Eugenics Wars and the Botany Bay.

Speaking of which, considering the impact of that war, I wonder how much of humanity's disdain for genetic modification on that scale carried over to the rest of the Federation.
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>>57417216
Enough for it to be outlawed
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>>57417233

Oh I know that, I'm wondering if say, the other founding races would have felt the same way about it as humans would.
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>>57417216
While this is *entirely* headcanon, I generally believe that other Federation founding races had issues with genetic engineering too. It makes sense: someone gets a taste for power and realizes they can mod themselves to godhood over the frails, why wouldn't they go for it? The Tellarites are the one race of the four founders that probably didn't get into this issue since they're all about talk and probably didn't have a serious warring period. The Andorians and Vulcans though, they almost certainly had issues akin to the Eugenics Wars and were totally fine with banning that shit when humanity suggested it.
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>>57417153
Jester thee awesome STA homebrewer and super keener of our group has been updating the map of our adventures. Here is the most recent.
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>>57417216
>>57417233
enough for them to be disgusted by cloning

I don't think under different circumstances a CMO or XO would recommend a raid into a non-Federation colony world to destroy a cloning facility otherwise; it also kind of explains the revulsion Tom and Will Riker have for each other, beyond the "Tom's just being a dick" argument
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>>57417677
They didn't go to destroy the cloning facility, they went to destroy their own clones, because it was in their eyes akin to being raped.
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>>57417304
>The Andorians and Vulcans though, they almost certainly had issues akin to the Eugenics Wars and were totally fine with banning that shit when humanity suggested it.
There’s even odds that Romulans are basically just Vulcan augments.
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>>57418498
So Bashir raped the murderer in that DS9 ep?
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>>57419257
Maybe. The entire clones episode though was just bad, the moral dilemma didn't even need to be one, and the resolution terrible.
So personally I'd not bother to use it as basis for much of anything other than the prejudices of season 2 TNG.

Because really, there's no reason that the Enterprise crew should have seen the idea of donating genetic material willingly as anything different to donating eggs/sperm IRL. The actions and experiences make the person, not their genetic lineage (another point that's come up repeatedly in star trek).
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>>57418498
the clones of them, they knew, were the only viable clones on the planet

before they had a solution involving jamming potatoes up exhaust pipes, it was straight up death for the colony

>>57419347
>>57419257
you can think of it as Bashir not having the same revulsion for it because of his own origins (even though the writers hadn't decided that at the time)

cast in that light, it's much like Khan's inability to think in 3D; doesn't matter that he's a genius, he just doesn't think to notice it
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>>57398356
Wouldn't they just be killed after their first fuckup?
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>>57402909
>Not to mention Picard himself earned command of the Stargazer at 28 and kept that for 22 years.

Picard when straight from LT. Commander to Captain.

Kirk was 34 when he got the E and he was the youngest captain EVER.

Plus Sisko was on a slowboat to nowhere when he got DS9.
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Do you guys ever stop and think about how great TNG could've been if it wasn't for all the episodes with child actors?
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>>57419886
The world itself would be a better place. Wheaton would be even more irrelevant than he already is.
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>>57419886
Most of the child actors were actually pretty good. The episode Disaster, with Picard having to deal with the kids was a particular high point. Alexander wasn't awful either as a kid and had some good appearances.
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>no lwaxana collection
So is fan collective a bunch of plebs?
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>>57419886
Wesley should have died instead of Tasha Yar.
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>>57419347
>>57419565
One of the reason why Riker and Pulaski where against their clones where because the dickwad colonists did that without asking permission or did it anyway when refused don't remember which way it was . They just took samples of them and started making clones. I know I would be upset enough of such situation to get the clone of me destroyed.

Alot of the situation in early TNG come from the fact that people they meet do shit like that. Data had transplanted mind of that dying professor uploaded into him. And not once did he ask permission for it. Then you have that kidnapping of Tasha Yar, just because the asshole could do it, also snatching children from their parents.
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>>57424092
> Alot of the situation in early TNG come from the fact that people they meet do shit like that. Data had transplanted mind of that dying professor uploaded into him. And not once did he ask permission for it. Then you have that kidnapping of Tasha Yar, just because the asshole could do it, also snatching children from their parents.

This is why the UFP is, despite Roddenberry's opinion otherwise, far from a perfect society. It does not discourage such actions.

Someone kidnaped a Star Fleet officer from a Star Fleet ship and was going to force her to marry him. What legal response did this bring? Nothing.

All the while people were dying because of the disease the kidnappers had the only cure for and were refusing to hand over until muh unga bunga catfight ritual was done.
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>>57424209
I wish the Feds were more hands on too. Especially in those situations where military action is justified.
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>>57398356

>Tal'Shiar gets a new officer who only got the post due to background politics, but is enthusiastic about his own grand, convoluted schemes and bringing some fresh air into the agency
>his second in command is an older, experienced operative who either counteracts his superior's plans or alters them into something actually beneficial to the Empire

>tfw we'll never get "Yes, Senator"
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That clones issue bugs me, they were cloning clones and that lead to degradation... why didn't they just keep a bank of the original genetic material? Or only one or two generations removed if they had to. Or just combine the genetic the clones produced to have new material to clone from?
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>>57423360
They'd have needed to convince Denise Crosby to stick around. And s1 nearly did fo the entire female cast, what with all the shit that was going on in the background.
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>>57426922
i expect they had problems with rolling brownouts too

there's only so many times you can defrost meat and refreeze it
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>>57424092
They also did it in the most profoundly stupid way. They're cloners; surely they know they could just hang around the bathroom and get enough still-active cells from the lining of the gut to get a good human template?

Nope, gotta phaser the shit out of the newcomers.

They really weren't kidding about that whole "degrading materiel" thing. Unless maybe they started out as Pakled clones.

>>57423360
>Wesley dies early because he is Not Popular, but Skants were never part of the uniform; or

>Wesley never dies and eventually becomes second officer after Picard is killed by the destruction of the first Borg Cube and Riker is made captain, but skants are part of the uniform right up until the end of Voyager/Nemesis; or

>Wesley dies but only because there's a policy at the network never to have the same Creaky Old Cast problem that the TOS movies had, so everybody dies or moves on and there's an almost normal progression of ranks, but the show is also 70% pseudo-military bullshit like the cringey parts of BSG, but the BSG remake ends up being a continuation of the original series, like that one guy who played Apollo kept trying to pitch, and it's awful

choose the form of your destruction
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>>57427064
I'll take 2nd officer Wesley.

By the time that happens, Wesley had really grown as a character, moving him into an authority position whilst bullshit, should at least rapidly mature the character in a way that could be interesting. How that scales with not going to the academy I just don't know.

And damn it, I can't lose the skants.
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>>57427171
acceptable
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>>57427064
I actually want option 3 just to see what it'd be like.
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It bothers me that this card isn't called Rape Gangs
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>>57425346
>Implying it wouldn't devolve into a backstabbing mess like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhLN0L5JdD4
Would pay good money to see pointy-eared Humphrey bullying Bernard
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>>57427940
>50/50 whether two Starfleet officers are raped to death on Rapeworld

did Roddenberry personally write these cards
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>>57427940
Fix it then.
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>>57427940
To be fair, do you know many card games where rape is an action you can take?
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>>57424209
Can't fight for what you believe in. If you fight your enemies then they win.
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>>57428657
Dilemmas aren't actions you take but rather incidents you resolve. How many card games can let your cards get raped?
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>>57429108
Only the good ones, man, only the good ones.
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>>57429108
When you’re high enough on meth, anything is possible.
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>>57429108
What, you've never raped a Magic deck? Come on, anon,you can do better than that.
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New Andorian. Besides the dumb eyebrows it looks like the Enterprise makeup.
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>>57430577
And here’s the new Tellarite. Less keen on this one.
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>>57430629
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>>57430577
Looks decent, save the stupid eyebrows.

>>57430654
Actually kinda like it, except for the various tusks he's got running around. Lose those and its a fine look. Maybe add some hair to the top of his head too, but that's optional.
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>>57430577
Putting way too much effort into making a prosthetic look natural when they could have painted a guy blue and no-one would have cared.
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I started opening the boosters. Honestly a little disappointing as many cards have nothing to do with tribbles. Posting the highlights.
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>>57431703
Wait wait wait. According to >>57427940, Uhura falls victim to the Rape Gangs. Truly a progressive rape gang.
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>>57428657
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Wow Kira, your mom let's you have three affiliations?
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>>57431973
>>57431780
Not just Uhura.

Gene wrote these damn things, didn't he?
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>>57431850
I'm pretty ssure there are black and blue mana cards that come closer to the mark. All that mind control shit and the like.
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>>57418771
If anything it's the other way around. Vulcans are augmented proto-Romulans created to form an army of psychic murderhobos. They start a war for freedom after some hermet starts preaching about LOGIC, the homeworld gets nuked in the process, and every proto-Romulan that doesn't submit to the new order needs to evacuate and find a new homeworld, before they get mind-raped by the augmented murder-monks. Thus begins the long emnity between Vulcans and Romulans, and explains why both groups are so damned secretive about their past.
This theoretical history would explain a lot more about Romulan/Vulcan history and psychology than the established canon.
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>>57433837
I've considered this before. Vulcans are pretty much logic bound versions of human augments in strength and raw mental capacity, they even have big egos that they pretend they lack. Even pon far seems to be something more designed then developed naturally and would make sense for a soldier class to keep their population under control. Meanwhile Romulans lack all of that like you'd expect from a base race.
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>>57434022
My thoughts exactly.
It would be a fun twist, and would go a long way to humanising Romulans somewhat and explaining the origins of their rampant xenophobia and expansionism, also why none of them seem particularly keen on developing mind powers themselves.
It also explains why Vulcans often seem to display emotional outburts FAR more violent than Romulans, despite their training. Augmentation does that.
Also an opportunity to take Vulcans down a peg, their origins aren't nearly as noble as they like to portray.

All headcanon though. Most of the lore that supports it is in unofficial/retconed work.
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>>57434149
>>57434022
>>57433837
This is excellent.
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>>57434022
Romulans are crazy strong aswell, right? At least they were in 09.
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>>57434204
They're strong, but I'm pretty sure Vulcans are stronger. Humans are depicted overpowering Romulans all the time, but Vulcans just toss humans about like children.
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>>57434204
They were stronger than average, but not bordering on low end DBZ power levels like Vulcans and Augments. I remember there was a thread last year where we played with the idea of Romulans being super strong too, including the phrase "Tomalak's fucking ripped."
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>>57434270
>"Tomalak's fucking ripped."
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>>57434270
>including the phrase "Tomalak's fucking ripped."
I wish I still had the "do you even lift, Picard?" edit.
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>>57434341
>>57434342
>sequential posts four seconds apart
I bet the Qs did this.
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All 4144 cards organized, just hours before I leave.
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SICK NEW THREAD, BRAHS

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