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Year of Nurgle (NPCs btfo), edition.

>Warhammer Community
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>Math-hammer 40k
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>>57424577
nurgle is also an NPC though.
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3rd for best Chapter
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>be tau
>Die
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>>57424604
You went to fast Khan.
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>>57424592

Yo my Tau dude, I was talking with you about that list a few days ago, talking about commanders behind your troops and how I'd have taken a broadside but that's just me.

How did that list fare in the end? You played with it yet?
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Xth for orks
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>>57424594
Sounds familiar I'll have a look.
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>>57424604
>>57424609
>a White Scar going TOO fast
Well, it is a timely end I guess.
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>>57424613
How did you acquire that middle finger hand?

I wanted to convert the clenched fist hand in the nobz kit to be flipping someone off. Very classic ork tradition that must be kept alive
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Chaos bros, what models do you use as obliterators and havocs?
The normal resin kits?
Plastic devastators and resin obliterators?
Conversions?
I started chaos shooty recently and I need Ideas.
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Pro-Soup > Anti-Soup
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>>57424638
Curry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Soup
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500 points of Tanith
Trying again a bit more faithfully

Vostroyan Battalion

HQ
Lord Commissar
Power Sword, Boltgun, Honoured Duelist, The Armour of Graf Toschenko
55 pts

Company Commander
Boltgun, Dagger of Tu’Sakh
31 pts

Company Commander
Boltgun
31 pts

Troops
Infantry Squad
Boltgun
41 pts

Infantry Squad
Boltgun
41 pts

Infantry Squad
Boltgun
41 pts

Elite
Command Squad
x4 Sniper Rifle
32 pts

Special Weapon Squad
x3 Flamer, x3 Demolition Charge
72 pts

Heavy Support
Heavy Weapon Team
x3 Missile Launcher
78 pts

Heavy Weapon Team
x3 Missile Launcher
78 pts

Total: 500 pts

Commander with the dagger infiltrates with the snipers
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>>57424594
>What is the terror of death?
>That we die our work incomplete
>What is the joy of life?
>To die knowing our task is done.

Lexicanum says its from rogue trader, that the one you were thinking of?
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>>57424644
This
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>>57424577
I'm going to field this in a local tournament and you can't stop me
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>>57424647
That's actually really similar to a freemason initiation/rehearsal

>t. Guy whose dad is in the masons and keeps trying to rope me into it
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>>57424604
The Last Hunt and the Scars serie are must read for WS fans.
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>>57424636
Sweet Forgeworld upgrade kits and resin Oblits. Converting either just makes them look like shit and out of place unless you are greeenstuff god already.
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>>57424655
Yo don't leave me on read bitch

>>57424611
>>57424611

Sounds like you've not used it yet though?
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>>57424611
Hey mang, it was pretty nice against most things until I came up against AdMech. Dear god, those beep-boops can shit out an obscene number of S6 AP-2 shots. I got tabled hard that game. In the end I only had characters on the table. A broadside would have died on turn one, as it was the Commanders all died fast. I think we ended at the start of turn 4. Still hopeful for the list doing reasonably well in the tourney.
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>>57424638
Waacfag > caacfag
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https://youtu.be/6kihIexKXJA

A little show of the Arx Angelicum. Shame the dude didn't try to portray the defining traits of the BA, like the Sarcophagus room, the tower of Amaretto, etc. As it is now, it could practically be any chapter, but it's still very impressive.
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Can somebody share the Daemon Codex so I can distract myself from crippling depression?
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>>57424645

Patrician tastes. Make sure to paint them with tattoos
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>>57424658
Maybe one of the designers was a mason? I like many of the quotes in 40k. Like pic related.
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>>57424687
It's in the MEGA
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA!v1pxhIQQ

But since you're lazy, here.
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>>57424679
Absolutely.

CaaCfags are just dishonest, lazy waacfags.
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>>57424647
Aaah thank God! Thanks as bunch anon, it was driving me crazy.
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>>57424636
FW for guns, magnets so I can swap them on my havocs. Actual models are from CSM kit plus some other bits. My obliterators were made of centurions and bits
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>>57424655
Does your tourney permit four detachments? Most follow the book recommendation of three.
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>>57424697
Weird, I checked it earlier and I swear it wasn't in it. Thank you.
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>come down from very long acid trip with a friend
>We spend the last couple of hours painting our dudes listening to music waiting for the exhaustion to set in

Very cozy
too cozy.
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>>57424708
Yeah I only found it because I vaguely remembered it as well.
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ALRIGHT FELLOW IMPERIALS, YOU WAKE UP ONLY ARMED WITH YOUR TRUSTY LASGUN AND YOUR ADEPTUS MUNITORUM STANDARD ISSUE GEAR AND SEE PIC RELATED. WHAT DO YOU DO?
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>>57424726
Slaneesh cultist pls go
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>>57424715
It doesn't follow ITC or anything, apparently we're playing with GW rules and missions straight out of the book. It'd be worth asking about the detachments, I guess.
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>>57424636
For havocs, MK IV or III kits with heavy weapons scrounged from wherever I can get them.

For obliterators, converted centurions.
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>>57424694
I think they may have been if they're writing things like the OP. It was certainly a much bigger thing back when a lot of this game was written than it is now.
My dad's lodge is actually called the lodge of perseverance too ha
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>>57424735
How can my dick be of service?
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>>57424735
SHOOT THEM BOTH FOR DISTURBING MY ASSIGNED REST PERIOD OF 2 HOURS
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>>57424745
WRONG ANSWER! *BLAM*
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>>57424739
Well the book recommends a 3 detachment limit at 2K.
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I'm trying to get back into 40k, but I can't decide what army to build. It's especially hard now that there are all these alternate FOCs that I can use now.

Main contenders are:
>Black Templar Melee Horde
>Ditto, for Flesh Teasers
>Daemon Engine Jamboree
>Maugan Ra's Dark Reaper and Death Jester Edgestravaganza

Are any of these ideas even remotely viable?
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>>57424677
Decent m8. Sounds like it's well equipped for the most part.

Have you considered cyclic ion blasters on 1 or 2 of the commanders? More shots to take down more holy robots, but still strong, and you can overcharge for when you need s8 back. You might think it's diluting the simplicity of your list though idk
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>>57424735
Eat them.
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>>57424747
*Makes my armor save*

F̵̤͎̳͉̣̹̮̫̪̞̠̱̙̦́͠ò̘̩͍͎̬͚̙̬̞̺̙̫͇̮̼̣̝̼͝ó̴̴̬̫̗̩͉l̨̨̼̼̯̼͢͠͝ͅ,̰̰̥͔̪́͠ ̢̳̖͔̺̩̩̬̥̥͔͖̬̳̥̰̀͜ͅį̶̴̺̦̥̝͕̬͓̯̪̝̰͎̀͝t̰̰̥̠̭̭̠̩̯̪̼͎̙̻͖͈̞̼̀͘ ̤͕̳̻̻̩͍̖͇̕w̧͉̣̖̣̭͈̰̝̭͇̪͓͖ì̴̵̹͈͚̘̱͙̼̮̮̥̦̫ͅl̶̴̶̛̼̘͔̰͎̭̬̮͕̣̮͍͟ĺ̴͈̰͔͔͚̣̙͚ ̨̨͈̩̗̝̦͚̥͞t̴̨̧͇̼̗͕͉̤̼̺̰̹̀̕a̸̸̧̞̹͇̱̤͓̯͔̝̩̦̱̳̳̭̖̩̣͞k̟̩͕͓͔͙͙̗̺̰̯͈̀ͅe̛̛͍͈̰̙̺̭͘͜ ̧̠̟̠̰̖͘͠ṃ̵̶̛̱͙͕̩̠̙͎͇̳͠o̹͎̝̗͓͇͙̟̩̼͇̫͓̱͢r̵̵̵͉̣̙̯̬̖̘̣̣̪e̶̵̜̣͕̼̟̤͞ͅ ̵̧̛̮̣̻̰̰̰̳͚̬͇͈̟̯̳̳͘t̸̘̺̟̞̤͍̫̣̻̠̟̖͝h̶̺͓̳̰̞̕͞a̻̣̖̬͡ǹ͈̥̮̦̗͖̯̥̘̖̪͓͍͔̖̟͘͞ͅ ̶̡̡̮̬͚̹̮̟̙̺̺̻̹͞t̷̗̬͔̮̺͎̩͞h̡̢̧̞̼͇̼̹̜͘a̶̷̼͉̠̗͈̜͚̭̣͈̦͓t͓̳̱̩̥̬͖̼͇̱̫̙̳̥͟ ̡̡̡̮͈̙͚̙̻̘͉̻͙̭̼̥̠͔͔̪̩͇t̷̛͔̪̦̳̪̀͡o̶̜̱̞͎͉̕ ̸̨̫̺̪̻͇̫̹̟̤̖͇͈̖͍͔ş̢͕̗͉͚̙̳͉̳͙̤̙̻͕͍͈̻͍͠͞l̸̷̜̗̥̰̳̫͕̟̟͙̻̟̟̀a̴̜̹͍̥͙͕̠͉̳̳̜̬̫̰͕̣͝ͅy̘̮̗̙͢͝ ̵̛̼̫̟͈̝͚͖̗̦̱͕̜ͅm̶̧̳̗̼̖̣̤͕͍̣̻̘̟̖͍e̸̝̞͍̠͝.̶̴̫͉́ ̴̛̘̗̗͍̜̻̦͖̬̞͈͖̠̹̹̥̱̘̯́́͘
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>>57424606
I wonder if Tau players actually know that the community actively wants them to be bad because they break the verisimilitude of the setting.

We never really had a problem when Eldar or Necrons were broken (unless they were always playing against them), but Tau being good is seen as an affront to the very nature of our identity.

I can probably confidently say if you like Tau as much as you do, you should probably be playing a different game.
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>>57424744
I know nothing about the masons. I guess they borrowed from them as well. The horus heresy has warrior lodges for all the traitor legions.
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>>57424741
Good lord that looks good.
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Why is every edition of Warhammer 40k ruined by some Eldar unit?
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>>57424779
it is tradition
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>>57424779
The fact that you can't trust Eldar isn't just a lore tidbit.
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>>57424767
>if you like Tau as much as you do, you should probably be playing a different game.

This^^
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>>57424779
Knowing nuGW, they will get fucked soon.
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>>57424779
Perhaps you lack the strength to prosper.
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>>57424777
Expensive as fuck though as you need 1 helbrute kit for every obliterator
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>>57424741
>here you go new player, just do this simple conversion :^)
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>>57424756
I've been thinking about kitting out a couple of the Commanders with missile pods and letting them spam shots from within the fire warrior blob.
CIBs seem to be almost strictly worse in terms of AP and damage output than fusion blasters for points, with the same range. If I'm going to be spamming S7 AP-1 I'd rather have the range of the missile pods.
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>>57424735
Sauce?
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>>57424767
Like Orks, Necrons and Eldar don't.
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>>57424779
Why are Dark Reapers OP?
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>>57424735
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>>57424809
Well for a start they always hit on a 3+ and ignore hit penalties.
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>tfw lascannons used to be called blazoogles
just read through rouge trader with some buds and we were laughing so hard at some of the crazy shit in this game

honest question, is it worth playing? it seems so out there in comparison to later editions
do people still play it?
i couldnt imagine there would be a community behind this book
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>>57424828
>blazoogles
That sounds like something slaanesh would've come up with to use instead of Snu-snu
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>>57424792
>>57424809
>implying I don't run 30+ of them in every list
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>>57424767
They didn't break it when they first released. The empire theme and their narrative were a cool addition to the game. The suits that have come in since have expanded on that theme, but slightly to the detriment of the empire motif, which is a shame and yes does detract from their contribution to the setting if you ask me.

I think that's why a lot of the Tau players in here talk about fielding kroot, fire warriors, vespid, auxiliaries etc.

Also:
>Stop liking what I don't like: the post - verbose edition
>This isn't what I want the setting to be like so you shouldn't be allowed to play like that because I say so
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>>57424828
kek. I've never played it, but I have only heard of grognards sticking with 2nd edition but that was many years ago. Don't you need a gm for RT? I am going through the book now looking at quotes.

I also discovered all these markings use to mean something. This pleases me. Hazard stripe on helmet = field police!
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>>57424735
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>>57424803
ASKING FOR THE SOURCE OF THIS HERESY? WHY?

>>57424763
GOOD THING I ALWAYS CARRY A POWERSWORD. FORGET YOUR DAMNED ARMOUR SAVE!

>>57424758
BEGONE, FOUL BUGGER!

>>57424746
THIS WOULD BE A CORRECT ANSWER IF THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WERE NOT THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND WHO IS IN PERIL!

>>57424811
AN ELDAR, EH? YOUR KIND IS ALWAYS GOOD FOR SOEM FIRE PRACTICE!
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>>57424799
That makes sense actually. I might check out the profiles in the index and rethink my own options now haha

>Tfw bought a set of expensive 3D printed CIBs and waited a month for them to arrive
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>>57424839
Personally I much prefer fielding masses of Fire Warriors supported by Hammerheads and Broadsides to suit spam, but sometimes you've got to roll with the punches and field shit you don't want to so you can stand a chance of winning a game.
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>>57424811
>I'm gonna need four frowns for this
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>>57424779
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Someone post cute Tzaangors please!
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His tg, I'm playing DE and harlies and going up against 1000 points of blood angels. What do you think of this basic list.

Battalion
HQ Shadowseer
Troupe master (kiss and Fusion Pistol)

Troops
Troupe 5 (all Caress and Fusion)
Kabalite warriors 2x5 (with one Blaster each)

Heavy support
Ravager (disintegrator canon 3)

Fast attack
Skyweavers 4 (3 zephyrglaives)

Vanguard
HQ Archon (parasite kiss and agonizer)
Sslyth 3

I'm wondering how to counter deep strike since he can charge me easily out of deep strike with the psi power giving him free move.
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>>57424849
>ASKING FOR THE SOURCE OF THIS HERESY? WHY?

SO I CAN DO MY DUTY TO PURGE THE UNCLEAN, LORD COMMISSAR
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>>57424767
>I wonder if Tau players actually know that the community actively wants them to be bad
/tg/ isn't even a fraction of the community
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>>57424869
Found the flapper
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>>57424596
Not anymore
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>>57424596
>NPC = xenos
>main story is imperium v chaos
>somehow a god of chaos is an NPC
durr
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>>57424882
/tg/ is a meme inducing shithole. And people love meme.
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>>57424838
>6 power for 5
>5 super devistators with weird missile launchers cost almost the same as a squad of 5 marines
Why does anyone even play power? This surely must be the WORST example of a power imbalance when using power points.
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>>57424900
They are still cheap as shit with points anyway.
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>>57424828
>just read through rouge trader with some buds and we were laughing so hard at some of the crazy shit in this game
probably orkish
back then everyone had the same weapons, yes even nids. Nowadays they still have roughly similar statlines anyway.
>honest question, is it worth playing? it seems so out there in comparison to later editions
Try it out?
i only played 2nd, which i detest due to it being extremly tiresome (vehicle rules and melee especially). 2nd did have some fun elements though, like a vehicle loosing a wheel and slamming somewhere
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>>57424869
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>>57424886
>>57424896
If your not a loyalist space marine you are an NPC. By next edition nurgle will be forgotten like slaanesh and khorne is right now. you exist for loyalists to kill. This is your moment in the sun. Enjoy it.
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>>57424910

Thanks, Anon!
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>>57424666
I wanted to use agressors + the hot glue trick, when it comes to making sores and muscles out of green stuff It's not a problem to me.
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>>57424767
>"Tau being good"
>He hasn't read any Tau fluff past 4th edition
>He doesn't even realise some people choose to play Orwellian Tau
>He doesn't realise they play Orwellian Tau because the Tau maintain a facade of being "good" and he's failed to see past it
>Who's the naive one now, gue'la

You just keep on believing Tau is an empire of peace, and don't you let anybody tell you different buddy
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>>57424933
We need to separate the hot glue trick from the... "Hot glue" metaphor. It makes things very confusing to work out sometimes.
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>>57424937
The anniversary WD outright says that the themes of the T'au Empire is progress, tolerance, unity, and enlightenment. These things are not evil.
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>>57424933
>hot glue trick

please, explain.
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>>57424937
Fuck the sterilization camps, the best example of the Tau Empire being a dystopia is the entire saga of the Puretide Engram Neurochips.
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>>57424955
There's something else too, you know.
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Polished up my Alpha Legion list a bit, going to have to make some Havocs though.

+ HQ +

Lord Arkos: Combi-melta

Sorcerer in Terminator Armour: Combi-bolter, Force sword, No Chaos Mark, Prescience, Warptime

+ Elites +

Chaos Terminators: No Chaos Mark
. Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Power fist
. 3x Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power fist
. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Power fist, Reaper autocannon

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought
. Left Arm: Butcher cannon
. Right Arm: Butcher cannon

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists: No Chaos Mark
. 17x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun
. 2x Chaos Cultist w/ special weapon: Heavy stubber
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Space Marines: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ special weapon: Meltagun

Chaos Space Marines: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter

Chaos Space Marines: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 3x Marine w/ Boltgun
. Marine w/ heavy weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Chaos Predator: No Chaos Mark, Predator autocannon
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon

Havocs: No Chaos Mark
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun
. 2x Havoc w/ boltgun
. 4x Havoc w/ heavy weapon: Missile launcher
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>>57424949
Keep believing it friendo. We'll be along to show you the benefits of joining the greater good shortly. Everyone ends up joining you know, because it's so peaceful and virtuous.

>What race that refused to join?
>I don't know of any race that refused to join
>If you can find them then by all means let me know
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>>57424949
The Tau's entire shtick is that their 'themes' only apply to those they deem worthy to join their empire, or can be exploited.
>Vespid have mind-control helmets
>Kroot are cannon fodder
>Human Auxilliaries also fall under cannon fodder
>Even the Tau themselves are slave and warrior castes under the Ethereals
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>>57424949
None of these themes are unique to good. Progress, unity, and enlightenment are all things that can be forced. Tolerance just means you have more bodies and less internal division.
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>>57424976
But the lore says that the T'au vehemently reject the concept of cannon fodder for themselves, allies, and even their drones.
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>>57424976
This

BUT

If GW can bring in extra sales by promoting this type of narrative >>57424949 then fine. They gotta get their money, and if it helps more people enjoy 40k then good for them. Doesn't affect the way I play my Tau, and I'm curious why it would let the original anon affect the way he plays whatever his dudes are too.
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What's the best set up for basic Elysian squads? Barebones? Grenade Launchers? Plasma?
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>>57424991
You're failing to understand our point here man

The lore SAYS one thing, but of course it says that. The Tau have to ensure their "greater good" propagandistic facade isn't broken.

>And they've got you hook line and sinker lol
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Progress! Not perfect, but he's a test model, so that's okay.
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>>57424677
>one of the few admech tricks
>surprised
It makes me happy to know that people like you still exist
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>>57425006
well, due to their unusual interaction with officers of the fleet, probably plasma
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>>57425018
Looking good dude! That gold looks much better in this photo.

Are you going to do anything special with your vehicles or do the cool conversions stop with the footsoldiers?
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>>57425018
Looks pretty good, but a less blurry picture would be nice.
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>>57424949
>progress
Towards what? “Progress” is subjective
>tolerance
Of things that are useful to them, everything else is destroyed
>unity
By force
>Tau
>not evil
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>>57424933
>>57424963
Good luck, anon. I've seen and considered doing this myself before. Unless you can find that exact wood glue, just know it can go horribly HORRIBLY wrong. Godspeed my poorfag converter friend.
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>>57425032
>>57424988
>>57424976
>>57424959

Shout out to my other anons who forge the sneaky duplicitous Tau narrative

You guys know what's up
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>>57425025
tank commander and sentinel pilots get fancy helmeted heads (see pic of work in progress). Weirdly, most of my conversion work is going into my hellhounds - I have two crappy recast chimeras, and I'm covering up all the imperfections with greenstuff scrollwork and old plastic barrels.
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>>57424949
>Progress, tolerance, unity, and enlightenment
wew shas'lad
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>>57425049
The guy who made the hot glue guide is polish and so am I, it shouldn't be too hard to find it.
Also, I can afford normal resin obliterators. They are made out of finecast resin that I have bad experience with.
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>>57424964
>FW character
>Alpha Legion
>this list
What exactly is the point of this? Do you already own these models?
I don't want to be too critical, but you are in for some rude awakening if you actually go and try playing this "list" against people that put even a modicum of thought into their list.
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>>57425055
They're looking good my man. I'd love to find myself at the other end of the table to this army when it's done
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>>57425055
Looking great anon, I dig the dude standing up to get a better look.
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>>57425064
It's just made with what I own, WYSIWYG for the most part.
Arkos is there because I didn't want to run Autilon Skorr as just a generic lord, it's not really intended for serious games.
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>>57425061
At least you'll be able to find the glue used so that's good. I've recently gotten some funcast oblits because I actually don't mind the model and they weren't that hard to clean. Wish GW just move on to plastic-only minis though.
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>>57424922
Much like all the loyalist sub factions got established edition to edition as the time went on so now are the Chaos sub factions.
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>>57424839
I didn't ever say you shouldn't like them

>>57424937
I didn't say they were "good"

I said they break the verisimilitude of the setting and if you really like the themes and ideas behind the Tau, 40k probably isn't the game you really want to play.

Unless you're a Tau player, you don't like the Tau. Its just part of 40k being what it is.
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>>57425094
>Wish GW just move on to plastic-only minis though.
In a lot of ways they are. Finecast seemed like a finger-in-the-dam fix so they could finally retire some of the abominably old metal sculpts. Now they're slowly replacing those with multi-part plastic stuff like the new HQ blisters.
>>
I
FUCKING
HATE
SOUP
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>>57424604
Even their slowest dudes are crazy
>White Scars Ironclad Dreadnought
>Advancing bonus+mortal wounds on the charge+ability to charge after falling back=endless cycle of rape
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>>57424964
>Chaos Space Marines: No Chaos Mark
>. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Combi-melta
>. 7x Marine w/ Boltgun
>. 3x Marine w/ special weapon: Meltagun
You can't do that, one special/heavy per 5 dudes.
You can only take two meltas and one combi melta because of aspiring champion.
>>57425094
I need two units of them, since you are saying they aren't that bad I may actually reconsider getting them. The models after a fine paintjob look pretty okay and I can add some green stuff to make their mutations look better.
Lately I started accepting the mutation part of chaos more and I actually regret being an industrialfag.
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What is some easy ways to make normal marines a bit bigger? I'm using a old sprue since GW never updated this line and they are smaller than most normal marines now.
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>>57425069
snapped a newer picture of him, with his heriloom binocs, just for you
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>>57425125
cut the legs in the knee level and add a small plasticard line on each leg
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>>57425122
>>. 3x Marine w/ special weapon: Meltagun
Shit, that's a typo.
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>>57425107
It's more like your particular brand of autism being what it is, but OK.
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>>57425116
How do you feel about Chowder?
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>>57425129
You should give the havocs mark of slaneesh.
Replace all the meltas on footslogers with plasmas.
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>>57425125
google "truescale marine" and then just tone the process you find down a bit
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>>57425093
Here's some honest advice as fellow CSM player:
Do a good, thorough read through the codex and staragems. Then build your list to advantage of those. I get that you're trying to be "fluffy" with no marks and your choices, but 8th edition CSM are all about combos so I would recommend to build your force accordingly. Consider detachments that give good amount of command point, plan what stratagems you're going to be using during the game and when you will use them.
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>Soulreapper Cannon: 15pts for 24" 4 S4 -3 1 shoots
>Heavy Warpflamer: 23pts for 8" D6 S5 -2 1 autohits

How do we unfuck Heavy Warpflamer anons?
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>>57425136
What, the cartoon? What's chowder
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>>57425116
Nurgle soup is delicious, filling, and available since 5E.
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>>57425144
Increase to 9 or 10 inches
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>>57425116
I
FUCKING
LOVE
SOUP
and also you anon
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>>57425144
ap-3, d2

the problem is GW thinks normal H.flamers are worth 17 points
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>>57425135
>ad hominem

Solid rhetoric.
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>>57425140
Thanks for the advice, I'm mostly just trying to adapt my old 30k army and I'm not that familiar with 8th yet.
Giving them marks still feels dirty though.
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>>57425140
Underrated post.

This can be said for any Codex army and I wish people would do it more. Stratagems practically make your army list decisions now.
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>>57425144
>Incinerator: 20pts for 8" Assault D6 S6 -1 1 autohits
>Psycannon: 20pts for 24" Heavy 4 S7 -1 1 shoots

compared to
>Storm bolter: 2pts for 24" RapidFire 2 S4 0 1 shoots
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What is this "Truescale" meme i keep seeing?
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>>57425170
>claims that are impossible to prove

you did me one better
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>play space marines or chaos space marines
>wonder why your codex encourages you to play sm/csm soup
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>>57425126
Even better up close. Great pose, and he looks fantastic with the showy uniform and tactical beard.
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>>57425125
I've used the legs from Chaos Warriors to give them a bit of height. End up being just shy of primaris but decently taller than standard marines.
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>>57425177
Soulreaper Cannon and Heavy Warpflamer are two competing heavy weapon options you endless retard.
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>>57425107
>I didn't say they were "good"
>>57424767
>>57424767
>Tau being good is seen as an affront to the very nature of our identity

>>57425107
>I didn't ever say you shouldn't like them
>>57424767
>if you like Tau as much as you do, you should probably be playing a different game
Close enough. And put another way, "if you are a true fan of 40k then you shouldn't like Tau"

>>57425107
>if you really like the themes and ideas behind the Tau
And this is where I (and clearly others, now the discussion has progressed) believe your interpretation of the themes and ideas of Tau is misguided and outdated, invalidating the core of your argument.

You're entitled to your opinion just as much as we are ours, though, but I'd rather include more people in 40k whereas you seem to want to delete anyone that doesn't conform to your vision of the setting.
>Are you sure you're not an ethereal
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>>57425184
The thing that led to primaris marines
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>>57425184
People tried to make their squatting manlets have better proportions before Chads came out by cutting marinelets up, inserting plasticard and greenstuff etc
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>>57425184
H U G E
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>>57425191
So are incinerators and heavy psycannons. None of them are worth taking over the storm bolter.
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>>57425122
I've found that finecast is really hit or miss. There is always a good amount random mold lines to clean, but it's really that hard since the material is pretty soft. Sometimes the parts can also be bent, but again easy to fix with hot water or heat. In 3 sets of Oblits that I got there wasn't a single one that was ruined like in some finecast horror pictures that get posted around here, just some shit I had to clean here and there.
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>>57425193
Shut up, Carnac.
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>>57425193
>Are you sure you're not an ethereal

We need a doctored captcha image for this
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>>57425126
Love that pose man, very good work
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>>57425200
oops, regular psycannons, not heavy ones
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>>57424874
Anyone?
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>>57425199
At first glance I really liked that conversion, then the undersized arms and shoulders above his head got to me.
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>>57425170
that's not an ad hominem, it specifically targets the argument.

It's purely incidental that the argument being an expression of your particular brand of autism both invalidates it's claim of universality and insults you
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>>57425210
Either put everything in cheap transports or try to deny his psychic power (use rerolls)
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>>57424964
your list is gonna need a lot of work my friend. your average marine equivalent unit (MEQ) is in a bad place and will die quickly while not being cheap enough for that loss to be acceptable. AL havocs are good but you should just run them with lascannons since ML aren't worth 25pts. also plasma is flat out better than melta in 90% of instances so just spam plasma like everyone else. I would add more vehicles or demons or demon vehicles and cut down on the MEQ
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>>57425202
I'm the guy you replied to. I don't even know who this carnac is, even after asking. I thought he was into daemons, not tau? Anyway it ain't me.
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>>57425240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beda3kFNjo
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>>57425199
>Terminator almost as tall as a fucking Dreadnought
He kinda lost all that Tactical part of his Dreadnought armour, didn't he?
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>>57425246
I prefer the afroman version but w/e

>Lol jk
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>>57425212
Thats usually the problem with "muh trusecale". They rarely do anything with the arms so it looks comicly out of proportion.
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>>57425254
"Tactical" in Space Marine terms indicates the ability to turn your head.
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Can I deepstrike a cancertree to outside my deployment rules with the Chaos Daemons stratagem?
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>>57424910
Who could be behind this post?
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>>57425172
And Alpha Legion are by no means above dirty tricks. Maybe they're pragmatic, giving token lip service to the gods while thinking they can remain uncorrupted. Maybe that's a plot hook you run with.
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>>57425267
That pic got me anon, very good
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>>57425019
We pretty much have three tricks. Kastelanstar, Stygies melee lists with Dragoons and Katas or Ryza plasma nonsense with Destroyers.

Somehow nobody I've met has ever gone up against #2 before they fought my army, although I was probably one of the first people to start talking about it lots after Codex dropped. Everyone else was being salty about the half-assedness.

>>57425136

Chowder is great. Salmon chowder with naan bread and potatoes to soak in the creamy sauce is delicious and I don't even like soup normally.
Presumably in 40k it refers to lists with a few allied units that are converted to fit the theme/fill a specific role in the parent army, rather than just a horrible mishmash with no depth to it.

>>57425145

Thick soup/stew thing with milk or cream. Apparently it normally has crackers or broken biscuits in too, but the crunchiness or bittiness makes it less tasty so I use something else to soak up the sauce.
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>>57425279
not a unit afaik so no
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>>57425279
yes, but just use Slimux and plop them down as you need them. He looks super sweet and improves beasts of nurgle that already got codex bump.
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Tartaros Terminators or Agressors for Obliterator converson?
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>>57425267
Well, I guess. Still, not a lot of use for a Dreadnought-sized Terminator in a Space Hulk.
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>>57425308
I'm using DG terminators. Just hide the Nurgle/DG bits and replace the arms, and you're pretty set. Nice corrupt pieces of crap with biomass oozing out and all that.

But if you want less gross, Aggressors are a safer bet. Just Chaos them up well.
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>>57425308
Tarts
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Death Guard is viable as a mono army?
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>>57425200
And they are not directly comparable either, autisto. You are not being clever bringing up unrelated weapon in this discussion, you are just being a dumbass.

>>57425154
After Flamer change i remain hopeful that that would be a thing.
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>>57425338
Yes
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How do i beat a list with a regular Bloodthirster, Skarbrand, and Anggrath the Undbound? Just play objectives and spam AT at them?
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>>57425338
Yes
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>>57424767
what a pathetic post.
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>>57425296
>this unit contains 1 CancerTree

>>57425304
I'm not really sold on Slimux/Beasts of Nurgle.

The beasts themselves seem alright, I guess, but if I'm going for Fast Attack I'de rather just take the Fly Riders.

Sell me on them? The models are pretty neat, if a little goofy

Also, I was thinking of just using the one tree- pop it down on top of a midfield objective that my Plaguebearers are headed to/will be near.

Seems bretty gud for 50 points and a cp.
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>>57425338
All codex armies are viable, anon. Can they withstand the WAACfag tourney test is a separate question.
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>>57425354
Just shoot at them, they are very point inefficient as far as durability goes.
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>>57425190
>>57425127
>>57425139

Think I'll go this route. The plasticard way is too advanced for me I think. They are beserkers I am using anyway.

Thanks though guys.
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>>57425338
Yes. You get the best helbrute trait besides AL, your demon prince can be buffed to be almost unkillable, t5 and DR everywhere is a huge pain in the ass for people, and your terminators are just flat better than most others. You have to use helbrutes and tanks in place of havocs and obliterators which is sad but not hard to do
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>>57425338
I hope you like Mortarion and Typhus zombie spam

>>57425354
Step 1. Always be more than 1 inch away from them
Step 2. Don't not be more than 1 inch away from them
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>>57425327
Do you mind showing me yours?
It sounds really fun.
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>>57425359
huh, well then maybe you can. Do fortifications deploy like normal things?
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Ok i had fun with that Tau discourse but looks like we're done, so new discussion if it pleases the thread:

I have death guard, and want to take some Daemons with them as I love the idea of a legion being blessed with the servants of their God in battle, and the marines gets hyped up about seeing the Daemons and the party gets lit.

>And also because I like nurgle Daemon sculpts more than their marines, but don't want to run mono Daemons.
>No waacing, no OP souping here

So what's a good, fluffy ratio of marines to Daemons if you're gonna go down this route?

I'm thinking maybe 80:20, or 70:30? You're playing marines, and you've been sent some fun Daemon gifts as backup, so the marines should outnumber the Daemons quite significantly.

And in terms of that ratio, should it be in terms of points or models?
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>>57425359
I don't know what tell you, anon. I'm super close to buying a whole goddamn Nurgle daemon army full of beasts, drones, GUOs, characters and plaguebearers myself, yet still don't for some reason. New sculpts and rules look super fucking sweet. Maybe once I get drunk and just order like 3k points worth of all that shit.
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>tfw no one cares nurgle daemon princes can one shot primarchs now
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>>57425372
What is typhus zombie spam?
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>>57425359
Is there any reason not to take the cancertree? Looks pretty nice, rules wise, and seems to be cheap to boot.
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>>57425395
...how?
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>>57425398
It is literally what it sounds like. Poxwalkers and Typhus.
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>>57425409
I havent read the DG codex so i dont understand how its good.
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>>57425401
dosent help GUO, or any demon engines
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>>57425401
Very defensive. Unless you plan on deepstriking it or you know are going to be under siege it's uses are limited
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>>57424874
>I'm wondering how to counter deep strike since he can charge me easily out of deep strike with the psi power giving him free move.
your psyker can try to deny a power. not the greatest defence but still.
bring more bodies less hq
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>>57425384
Whatever combination you choose as long as it adds up to a multiple of seven for maximum fluffiness. 35 marines, 14 demons is a particularly satisfying one.
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>>57425406
Give himself blades and have a nurgle daemon give him virulent blessing and the locus. Each 5+ is 8 damage, he swings 5 times and wounds on 2.
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>>57425401
Only 1 model annoys the autist in me. Plenty of cheap model railway trees you could nurgle up though I guess

Plus to get the most out of them you have to take le whimsical snail meme and although I like some humour in 40k, I don't like that model.

Ruleswise though they seem fucking OP. You don't even pay points for them, le epic snail man just keeps shitting them out for free
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>>57425415
>>57425401
Cancer tree only helps units that are better off moving around and charging stuff. It is a GW honeypot to get nurgle players to stand still and get shot for a measly 4+ armor save

>>57425409
>>57425414
It isn't good and it isn't even close to a top build for DG. I doubt that anon plays DG.
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>>57425431
you multiply before you add, so dmg 7.total average dam of 16.7. assuming they dont all have a 4++ or better. which they do. so no, no they cant
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>>57425430
I like that idea my friend, papa will be pleased
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>>57425377
It says in the Gnarlmaws rules that it only counts as a Fortification after it's set up.

The deep strike stratagem says that you can "set up" a unit following the standard deep strike rules, 9 inches and all that.

RAW I think I'm good to go, but I could imagine someone questioning why/how I'm allowed to deepstrike a terrain feature.

>>57425385
>Maybe once I get drunk and just order like 3k points worth of all that shit.

That's what I did.I still have 2k points of Tyranids that aren't painted and a bunch of Admech that aren't even assembledSend help
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>>57425460
You forgot that blades gives mortal wound. I doubled first
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>Decide to help a friend learn to paint.
>They throw a fit about having to use a shitty old brush and demand to use a new one.
>Let them use a new one to avoid stupid drama.
>Show them how to thin their paints and the do's/don'ts with the brush.
>Look away for a second.
>Friend has used the brush to pull out a glob of paint and jammed the brush up to the handle in paint.
>MFW
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>>57425354
This should do it


++ Patrol Detachment (Imperium - Deathwatch) [26 PL, 732pts] ++

+ Troops +

Deathwatch Kill Team [20 PL, 599pts]
. Deathwatch Biker w/ Teleport Homer: Twin boltgun
. Deathwatch Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon
. . Cyclone Missile Launcher and Storm Bolter: Cyclone missile launcher, Storm bolter
. . Power Fist and Meltagun: Meltagun, Power fist
. Deathwatch Vanguard Veteran: 2x Inferno pistol
. Deathwatch Veteran: 2x Inferno pistol (6)
. Deathwatch Veteran: 2x Hand Flamer

+ HQ +

Watch Captain [6 PL, 133pts]: 2x Inferno pistol, Jump Pack

Total: [26 PL, 732pts]
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>>57425443
>You don't even pay points for them, le epic snail man just keeps shitting them out for free

90% sure you gotta pay reinforcement points.
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>>57425451
It can be decently good if you go all-in on that shit with recycling cultists into poxwalkers, just requires a very thought out list.
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>>57425471
>giving in to a tantrum
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>>57425430
>taking 35 Plague Marines
I'm running 21 and already that seems just not very cost-effective
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>>57425471
That's why you teach them how to get a good tip on a shitty brush
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>want to play Chaos Marines
>all the units I really want to field are the worst units
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>>57425460
>>57425469
>>57425460

I have been telling people to use blades + vir blessing on defilers for weeks. You crap out so many wounds it isn't funny. I have had decent success with it but really if a rerolling hits dude isn't nearby it won't hit max absurdity

>>57425483
You burn CP at an absurd rate like that, and I would rather keep my CP and spend my points on something that will actually hurt my opponent
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>>57425471
I hope you didn't just stand there and watch moaning quietly while they Did that.
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>>57425469
ahh fair point. 10 wounds after 4++ (or 7.5 after 3++) is pretty good, especially if you back it up with a smite
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>>57424767
I play Tau as well as Necrons & IG, & am starting up a Mechanicum army. I like the aesthetics & lore of all four. Should I also be playing a different game? Don't want to affront anyone's identity or whatever
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>>57425493
Hey, he asked for fluff. And if you think that's bad, I painted 2500 points of legit Death Korps and have never once played a game with them. Won two categories at Armies on Parade though.
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>>57425503
>WS 4+
SPs hit on 2+re-rolling 1s, so its a whole other ball game
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>>57425477
>73O points
>11 models
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>>57425451
>It is a GW honeypot to get nurgle players to stand still and get shot for a measly 4+ armor save

That's why I want to deepstrike it, though.

>Deepstrike it turn 1 onto a midfield objective, or between two objectives that are close... somewhere that'll be center field for most of the game
>very good chance for Plague Flys/Beasts of Nurgle to benefit from it turn 1
>good chance for Plaguebearers to benefit turn 1 with lucky advance rolls and/or a Scrivener

>definitely in range T2
>maybe not in range T3+, but that doesn't matter because if you're not in melee by then you've probably lost
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>>57425527
got a pic. Dkok are pretty cool
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Long time not playing 40k. Are defilers any good in 8? I have 3 of them from my old iron warriors army.
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>>57425503
The thing is a defiler can get shot to shit. A daemon prince can just hide behind a wall of plague bearers and rock anything.
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>>57425538
That list actually has 6 models. 730 points for 6 models.
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>>57425549
>Are defilers any good in 8? I have 3 of them from my old iron warriors army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Cf-6vKVWg
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So like if a chaos marine decides that being rouge isn't his thing anymore and wants to go back to the imperium what are his career options?
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>>57425549
They are playable... I guess... If you really want to... like really, really want to...
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>>57425576
Deathwatch at best, *BLAM* at worst.
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>>57424937
Tau are still far better than the alternatives
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>>57425576
Pretty much boils down to three things.

>Most likely
*BLAM*

>Not likely unless he has a change of heart mid-battle
An honorable death leading a suicide charge in the Emprah's name

>Basically option 2, but takes a bit longer
Deathwatch
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>>57425543
This is the only shot I have of it all together.
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>>57425528
>>57425555
It is true that the defiler can get shot up and has fewer attacks, but until you see those glorious d6 and flat 3 dmg rolls double you won't get it. Sending it against dreads and nids is like watching a train hit a prius

>>57425549
169 pts for a really strong melee unit that has a cannon strapped to it and a twin heavy bolter. bad at shooting and sort of soft but only a few more pts than a melee helbrute and way more durable and dangerous
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>>57425515
Yeah it's not primarchs killer but it's technically possible and strong enough to take out the remainder of his health after some moderate focus fire.

It's just insanely efficient.
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>>57425598
This is what's going on in that ruined building in the back right.
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>>57425576
a VERY open minded Rouge Trader probably
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>>57425542
my problem is they only get a 4+ out of all that work. if it was like +3 to saves or +1 to invulns then yeah. I do like the mw effect it would have on enemy units going to hold an objective. That is pretty funny.

Any good leads on a tree model to make a load of proxies out of?
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>>57425515
why smite when you could cast diabolical strength to be extra soupy
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Rokkits or Skorchas for a Deff Dread?

Inb4 more claws.
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>>57425599
Sounds a shitload better than Broadsides.
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>>57425645
neither you need more cl-
>Inb4 more claws.
well, you already know the answer then
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Which Primarch is your favourite, anons?
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>>57425494
I did, that's the problem with the situation.
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>>57425672
stop tihs fucking CWC teir shit
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>>57425628
Or death hex to instagib
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>>57425576
Death for sure.
>hey guys I know I was one of the members of the event that led the galaxy to burn, uncontable millions to suffer, people not be able to conciliate sleep lest we slip into reality to kill some, i surely did some killing here and there, broke the golden empire that made us great as humans and brought it to the brink of total destruction, yeah it was pretty douchie.
>can you guys forgive me?

Only death for the traitors.
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>>57425598
Thanks for the pic. Pretty cool m8. That's a crazy chimera.

>>57425609
90% casualties estimated sir.
Very good, signal the advance!
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>>57425542
http://a.co/cSQ0yY5

think if I added greenstuff and nurglings to this it could work as a gnarlmaw?

>>57425680
yeah seriously.
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>>57425672
I took d3 mortal wounds looking at this image
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>>57425542
Have you considered how good Nurgle Oblits would be with +2 cover save sitting near that tree though?
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>>57425682
Thank you! And don't tell the Magos.
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>>57425598
wtf is that a chimera with a dual assault cannon?
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>>57424596
Right now he's the least NPC out of everything but Marines.
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>>57424734
Seems like a pointless fight to me.
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>>57425710
No, that's a Chimera with a Stormlord's Vulcan mega bolter in a kitbashed turret. If I ever played an actual game, it'd count as a DKoK Storm Chimera, which has an autocannon.
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>>57425598
>>57425609
This looks great man!

Bonus Howling Griffon too, excellent taste.
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"make 2 hit rolls for each attack made with this weapon, instead of 1"
the way it's written isn't this just slow way of re-rolling missed hits? because you don't get additional attacks, you just roll to-hit 2 times for 1 attack
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>>57425461
>>57425430
Ok so I've just been away and thrown this together on battlescribe... No codex, no real optimisation yet.
BUT:
>35 death guard models
>14 Daemon models
>Plague marines are in squads of 7
>14 poxwalkers
>3 nurglings for a silhouette of the mark of nurgle on the tabletop
>All costed for a 1000pts game
>Uses most of the DI starter set since that's what I have on hand
I'd definitely field it for fun and fluff:

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Chaos - Death Guard) [59 PL, 998pts] ++

Gametype: Matched

+ Troops +

Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms

Plague Marines [10 PL, 149pts]
. Plague Champion: Plague knife, Plasma gun
. 5x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Plague Marines [10 PL, 149pts]
. Plague Champion: Plague knife, Plasma gun
. 5x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun

Plaguebearers [4 PL, 70pts]: 9x Plaguebearer, Plagueridden

Poxwalkers [6 PL, 84pts]: 14x Poxwalker

+ HQ +

Lord of Contagion [7 PL, 117pts]: 1. Revoltingly Resilient, Manreaper, Warlord

Malignant Plaguecaster [6 PL, 110pts]: Gift of Contagion, Miasma of Pestilence

+ Elites +

Beasts of Nurgle [2 PL, 38pts]: Beast of Nurgle

Helbrute [7 PL, 162pts]: Helbrute fist, Twin lascannon

Noxious Blightbringer [4 PL, 65pts]: Plasma pistol

++ Total: [59 PL, 998pts] ++
>>57425493
Just a little disclaimer that I've put no thought into the efficiency of this list, lol. I build lists I like and slowly tune them up as I play games with them
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>>57425724
Why not play the game? Your faction is pretty good this edition and you already have a nice army.
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>>57425724
>it'd count as a DKoK Storm Chimera, which has an autocannon
i say either twin heavy bolter or multilaser as the REAALLLY old multilasers looked like gatlings (single gatling though)
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>>57425576
Going bleu, vert or jaune.
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>>57425698
>feed me heretics
Real nice. I love your army man.
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>>57425733
you should run a herald in a separate detachment with the demons cuz you lose your legion trait if they are mixed with your DG. Also melta is inferior to plasma and blight launchers. Oh and helbrute should have missiles/lascannon if you want him to do decent work.
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>>57424864

>laughs in Tzeentchian
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>>57425733
Oh and the DG to Daemons ratio is roughly 75:25!
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>>57425733
You can't include daemons in your list like that if you want to keep Death Guard bonus rules. They need to be summoned or in their own separate detachment. Aside from that walking across the board even with DG is dangerous because you'll get shot by long-range enemy fire a lot.
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The Tau is the EU + China. Prove me wrong.
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How to improve AdMech?

Would some fast melee buff HQ unit change a lot? I don't want to rely on Kastellans so much.
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>>57425775
Good feedback anon, thanks.

The only reason the Daemons aren't in a separate detachment is because I didn't know how to do that on BS. They will be eventually!

I thought melta might be even better AT than the plasma, and it made up the points total, but I can swap them back, put missiles on the helbrute and use the spare points to swap the beast for a herald.

>But then I don't get to build the cool new beast model so I might not
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Ultramarines Codex when?
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>>57425787
I'll get the Daemons in a separate detachment when I lrn2battlescribe

I did think about transports but it went over the points limit and threw out the model numbers. I'll see if I can swap out the NB and a couple of other bits for rhinos.

Cheers anon!
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>>57425813
Well you need an hq for seperate daemon detach. But you can click on the top of the name of your army. Then go to forces and then add a detachment
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>>57425741
Good question, anon. I don't know why. I've even got the rulebook/IG codex/DKoK index. Maybe I'll make a trip of it at some point this week.
I think the actual answer is that traditionally I've just been a paint and glue-speckled gremlin who only comes into the shop to pick up another squadron of tanks or enter a hobby competition.
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>>57424959
Sterilization camps are not canon.

The T'au are hardly good, but a lot of the duplicitous secretly evil shit is spread by Imperiumfags that want to convince themselves they're the good guys.
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How much points are these bois going to cost once their 8thEd rules are written ?
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>>57425813
desu I wouldn't expect a lot from the beast of nurgle. I would just use those pts on more plaguebearers. Same for the nurglings really. Their entire job is deepstrike denial, capping objectives and slowing down fancy stuff, but your other dudes can probably handle all of that anyways and plaguebearers really need a blob closer to 25-30 to be good
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>>57425014
>The lore SAYS one thing, but my headcanon says another!
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>>57425834
I generally tell IG players on this board to kill themselves, but I wish you the best, anon. You really worked hard on your army and I want to you to enjoy the fruits of your labors.
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>>57425805
how many dragoons do you have? double the number
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Why are old landspeeders so hard to put together? Jesus christ
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>>57424577
>Just came up with a new idea for a WE warband while walking the dogs and listening to Sabaton
Writing little bits of OC is really therapeutic anons
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>>57425851
>I generally tell IG players on this board to kill themselves
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>>57425567
Theres 6 (SIX¡) Vets with dualies in that unit alone. 6 vets, a vanguard, a biker, a termie, and a vanguard with dual hand flamers. Plus the captain makes 11
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>>57425354
I mean those 3 are 3/4 of a list already. Half their points in AT will table them turn 1.
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>>57425851
Thank you anon, these guys are the army I wanted to have as a kid. I couldn't be happier with how they turned out, and I'm very flattered you guys like them too.
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>>57425743
Sadly, the DKoK Chimaera has no turret option. Only Autocannon.
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>want admech shit
>would probably have an anuerysm trying to paint them
how hard is it guys?
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>>57425431
Consider also that Nurgle Daemons can get a +1 to wound WT. Is Blades DG-only?
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>>57425839
That's why I mentioned the Engram Chips. Whether the camps are canon or not is irrelevant to the Tau Empire being a dystopia, because the Ethereals copied their brightest Commander's mind (killing him in the process) and imprinted it onto chips that they then implanted into other Commanders. Then it was discovered that you can't remove the chip without killing them, the chip is basically taking over their mind, and the chip causes degeneration. That's seriously fucked behavior, and it's entirely canon.
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>>57425901
>Get spraycan of Leadbelcher
>apply Nuln Oil
>Learn2drybrush
Now you only got to paint the robes and you'll end up with shitty looking AdMech. Yay!
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>>57425910
blades is DG only
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>>57425910
Can only target them
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>>57425901

>leadbelcher
>nuln oil
>runefang steel drybrush

Ta-dah, a solid 70% of those models done.
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Starting to fall in love with centurions, are they any good in dark angels?
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>>57425901
It's actually one of the easier ranges to paint. The vast majority of most Admech shit is just metal, then the plates tend to be nice solid colors. Some of the greeblies are tricky, but overall I'd say they're easier to paint than my Death Korps (up the thread) were.
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>>57425897
It's a gret army. I just began painting my own DKoK army, and I hope it will look good in the end. IG is the comfiest.
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>>57425941
how? is this a tts meme
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>>57425901
It's mostly metallics so ezpz
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>>57425951
I just like them :(
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>>57425941
They sucks.
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When the custard Codex was announced, I wan't very enthusiastic about it. However, I've begun to warm up to the idea. Maybe I'll even end up buying a unit or two.
Am I the only one here infected by the custard syndrome ?
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>>57425831
Thanks man, got it now

>>57425845
I know, but this is equal parts good list and good/varied models haha

>>57425846
Stay blind anon. Anyway we're not on Tau any more friend, we're on ridiculously self-imposed limited nurgle list-building


Thanks to the anons who have helped so far, I'm trying to fit rhinos in and still keep the DG model count at 35 and keep the overall points at 1000, but it's proving hard. Bear with me
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>>57425962
I'm happy for you anon. :) I never liked them.
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>>57425943
Why does he have grass and an owl on his shoulders?
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>>57425980
it just means you are a human bean
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>>57425941
I've never played them or played against them, but I've seen them get completely btfo in batreps. They're a point sink, and die easily to anti-tank weaponry.
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>>57425943
The owl is a cool touch. Magos Hoot.
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>>57425943
Holy fuck that is cute
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>>57425943
Is this your model? How did you base it? Looks really nice.
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>>57425943
That's one big fucking owl
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>>57425980
I am. Admitedly, it's just nice to get new stuff and even my self restrain against spending money on my hobby is failing.
I'll take the opportunity to say this: GW is doing a good job since Gathering Storm, having new miniatures and the story advancing made me like the game again. I sometimes feel most army are well rounded since I don't play with tryhards, and this edition is all around balanced
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>>57425729
We had this discussion a few days ago. Tl;dr the way it's worded in the BRB every successful hit roll begets a wound roll so yes, it's two attacks per.
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>>57425985
My Mechanicus stuff is fluffed around the idea of an expedition to a lost world. That Thanatar is something they found wandering around the ruins.
As to the owl, are you going to be the one to tell a gorillion ton automata he can't have a pet?
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When reading up in BA, i keep seeing mentions of the special rule Red Thirst, even in GW own faction focus. When looking through the codex though, I cant see it anywhere?

Am i missing an errata or just being blind?
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>>57425917
Oh absolutely. But I personally find the Tau Empire is way more interesting as a place full of people with genuinely good intentions (and most fluff, propagandistic or not, has tge Ethereals be sincete in their desire for unity and progress) whose leaders are willing to engage in shady shit for the Greater Good. "Theh pretend to be squeaky clean but are secretly evil" is not only more boring, it's not really supported by canon and mostly peddled by people who don't like the Tau in the first place.
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>>57426024
>As to the owl, are you going to be the one to tell a gorillion ton automata he can't have a pet?
Well, if he wants a pet he shall have a pet.
Who knows, maybe they'll find something.
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>>57424577
So with the Emperor stuck on energy saver mode for the last 10k years who's making new Custodes? Master of Mankind (I know it's a shit tier book, but it's the only one with numbers) revels that after five years fighting in the Webway the Ten Thousand have been reduced to as little as 1000 Custodes. If they're at full combat strength now who created 9,000 replacements?

In addition are any of the HH Custodes still alive? Do they age?
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>>57426004
The "tiles" are just pits of decently thick paper, in a lot of cases I used cut-up squares from FW and GW instructions. Glue those down in a grid, then I covered the base in PVC glue and dipped it into a box of sand.
Once it's primed, drybrush in earth tones, paint the tiles gray, add some foliage. Paint a little green on the base around the bushes to blend them in.
The blown up Rhino door I just took my clippers to at random, then painted it all rusty and bare metal. The blown up part was left black, then drybrushed with a bit of gray to give it a "charred" look.
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>>57426046
It's in the army rules page, right before the datasheets start (Dante's page).
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>>57425842
200+ points
More than a dread but less than a knight
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>>57425693
fucking kek
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>>57426057
I get the feeling that the 10,000 strong thing in the 42nd millennium might be a misprint or mistake and they're still at 1000
Either way the technology for creating more of them was left behind and probably conducted by Magos Biologis on Terra or even Luna, they do explain that something like 99% of Custodes candidates die before full initiation

Also there are no exact figures, but we can determine that Custodes age significantly slower than Astartes, I think the current Captain General is even mentioned in a HH book
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>>57426057
Custodes do not age, they are biologically immortal so if one is ever to die it will be in combat.
Considering it took them 10k years to make the replacements, the process is pretty slow but I doubt Emps made them all by hand himself, probably has a bunch of staff capable of doing it themselves?
Probably a specialized sect of the Custodes themselves doing it, possibly supported by assorted hand picked lab staff
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>>57425980
I've been waiting for this since Burning of Prospero. I'm hopeful the Codex will be good enough to be competitive, but not so good that every WAACfag and their cat are running them.
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>>57425980
Nah mate, everyones going to be a custard soon. At least with the high point costs it'll be cheaper to buy an army and games will feel like proper skirmish matches again
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>>57426109
There are very much 10,000 Custodes in the 42nd millennium, you should read up on your Banana lore before commenting something like that.
In Watchers of The Throne, its mentioned that there are 10 000 Custodes, of whom 4000 took part in the Second Battle of Terra when a Khorne Daemon incursion landed on Terra. The 4000 were led personally by Trajann Valoris and they successfully repelled the invasion with help from Girlyman who just arrived. 2000 Custodes were lost in this battle so if there were only 1000 of them like you theorize, they'd have been wiped out twice over.
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>>57426117
The Emperor really missed an opportunity to be 40k Muammar Gaddafi and have his Companions made up entirely of gorgeous women.
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So let me get this straight. I can have a khorne lord of skulls in my super heavy detachment for chaos daemons stratagems. He'll be able to make a deepstrike for 2 command points and if he gets killed by grey knights I can get a new one with deepstrike and another 2 command points?
Pic kinda related.
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>>57426052
Personally I don't like the 'secretly evil' thing, which you may be misinterpreting. I think most people who view the Tau as not being inherently good tend to do so because they recognize that the Empire does evil deeds to achieve a good end. The "For the Greater Good" motto implies that the means are shady all by itself.
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>>57426141
>>57426109
Oh and it has been confirmed before that Custodes do not age, they are immortal like that
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>>57426061
Thanks anon, you made it look very natural.
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>>57425980
I kinda hope they let us run units in groups of three like they do in HH
Makes armies a lot more viable in smaller points values as half your points don't have to be eaten up by ten dudes
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>>57426143
They could very easily have women in their ranks, we wouldn't know though because they're covered in Auramite plate
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>>57426162
Chapter Master Valrak made a video where he said he spoke to devs and they said you can take the normal Custards in units of 3 with the Codex.
Try to keep up with the news, lad
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>>57426143
Honestly Custards are the perfect excuse to introduce femarines without breaking canon, since we know so little about how they're made
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>>57426150
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>>57426150
According to Frontline Gaming guys that deepstrike stratagem is getting FAQd to be used only by Codex Daemons. Not sure about GK stratagem, but maybe that one also.
For now though, yes. Go nuts.
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>>57426150
that base had best be heavy as fuck for that thing not to fall over
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What should I do with the nurgling from the Plague Marine Champion kit?

I was thinking about putting him on a big pile of rubble/throne with other nurglings beneath and letting him be a DP.
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>>57426141
They even mentioned in the brief showcase of the Custodes codex that they have a bunch of people who manage the geneseed equivalent of the custodes.
It makes sense that they would replenish their numbers, alà "immortals" way (10 thousand and always 10 thousand) just like the astartes have done.
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>>57426143
That's what SoS are for, anon.
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>>57425943
Bweep-boop
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>>57426180
Makes sense. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to fit an HQ in a Land Raider.
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>>57426213
I use that nurgling as WYSIWIG representation of Fugaris helm relic on my Chaos Lord. Love that model.
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>>57426162
>>57426180
Not only that but the Terminators can be taken in units of one.
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>>57426215
My thoughts exactly, compadre.
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Before some idiot asks it like they do in every thread, YES
YES THEY ARE MAKING RULES FOR 40K FOR ALL THE 30K CUSTARDS
STOP ASKING
LET ME REPEAT

30K CUSTODES ARE GETTING 40K RULES
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>>57426270
Where is the proofs?
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>>57426221
>the most powerful mortal-ish psyker ever
>all nearby waifus are blanks
How would he ever have held hands with them without it being intolerable? Maybe that's why he was always so grumpy.
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>>57426281
Right the fuck here
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/06/new-year-new-armies-reveals-new-years-open-day/
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>>57426202
> Khornate Scorcerer
Hold the fuck up m8!
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>>57426291
Problem is that when asked about it at Open Day, the FW guys were basically like, "Yeah uh, we'll figure out something, we dunno."

They have no idea when, how, or how many of the units are getting rules.
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>>57426291
I need more proofs, do you have a more credible source for your claims?
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>>57426326
The people making the models are not the ones making the rules, Anon.
>>57426328
An official direct source from GW is the best source you can get, how would you beat that I wonder
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>>57426291
>FW will never give Custodes a Proteus
>because fuck you, buy our OC space cadillacs

Remember when FW was great at making all the old things GW wouldn't? Before they were just releasing OC crap and not bothering making models for all the units and options they had filled the books with?
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>>57426328
Does warhammer community sites not enough of a proof for you ?
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>>57426348
I'm glad, Custodes deserve better than boxy Land Raiders.
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>>57424645
Nice! I recommend grabbing the scopes of the Cadian HWS boxes and gluing them atop your infantry's lasguns. Give everyone ACOGs!
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>>57426347
>FW doesn't write rules

Ah, I suppose this is just very expensive kindling then.
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>>57426348
You know Custodes have their own Landraider right
Just convert a normal Proteus with an assault ramp and you're good to go
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Okay. Back with fluffy death guard/daemons list v1.2

>Based off Death guard getting Daemon gifts to battle alongside, so the ratio should be 75:25 or close to it
>Try to fit nurgle's number wherever possible:
>DG in squads of 7
>Total DG models 35
>Total Daemon models 14
>Total models 49 (7x7)
>1000pt limit
>Moderately viable within these parameters, but also fun to play and thematic


What's changed:
>Added 2 rhinos to transport the Plague marines
>Had to remove things to make this happen:
>>lord of contagion
>>Noxious blightbringer
>>Couple of plasma guns
>Had to bump up the poxwalkers to make the numbers up within the points limit. They're at 17... I-it still has a 7 in it
>Helbrute stays because I like the model. Now with added missile launcher

>Daemons in own detachment
>Had to remove cool beast model to get Herald for HQ. Not too happy about this

Again, this list is focussed on fluff, it'll be tweaked after a game or two.
++ Patrol Detachment (Chaos - Daemons) [11 PL, 204pts] ++

Chaos Allegiance: Nurgle

+ Troops +

Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms

Plaguebearers [4 PL, 80pts]: Instrument of Chaos, 9x Plaguebearer, Plagueridden

+ HQ +

Poxbringer [4 PL, 70pts]: Balesword, Fleshy Abundance

++ Patrol Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard) [47 PL, 793pts] ++

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 72pts]: Combi-bolter

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 72pts]: Combi-bolter

+ Troops +

Plague Marines [10 PL, 145pts]
. Plague Champion: Plague knife, Plasma gun
. 5x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Plague Marines [10 PL, 145pts]
. Plague Champion: Plague knife, Plasma gun
. 5x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
. Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Poxwalkers [6 PL, 102pts]: 17x Poxwalker

+ HQ +

Malignant Plaguecaster [6 PL, 110pts]: 2. Living Plague, Curse of the Leper, Miasma of Pestilence, Warlord

+ Elites +

Helbrute [7 PL, 147pts]: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon

++ Total: [58 PL, 997pts] ++
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>>57426270
I see your 'nought conversion and I raise you the mighty Churchnought.
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>>57426290
He's powerful enough that he doesn't care. Also his favorite boner is a hate boner.
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>>57426368
Let me rephrase that since it went over your head, must be partially my fault that it did.
The people making the models don't make the rules, and they have the people in charge of models showing them off. Why would they have their rules team showing models off, they would either have the model people or just PR guys sit at their stands.
The rules boys are busy sitting in their office cubicles writing up rules for stuff
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>>57426380
(Cont.)

Also had to drop the battalion detachment so lost 3CP.

overall I prefer the first list, even if it's exposed to shooting while it gets across the board. More varied models to paint and play, and more points left over/CP to make everything as resilient as possible on their journey across the board.
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>>57426391
>I sexually identify as a cathedral
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>>57426391
But are you going to put a tiny church onto that base?
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>>57426290
If you're aware of the effect a blank has on those around them and had enough mental fortitude, could you block out the effect the blank has on yourself?
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>>57426391
Superb model

>Giving the enemy the shocker
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>>57426421
Kek.
>>57426426
Yes.
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>>57426360
No they don't. They never did.

>>57426373
Not in 30k. And in 40k they just got normal Phobos painted gold.
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>>57426391
Nice model, but the hand gesture completely ruins it.
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>>57426429
No. Not according to eisenhorn anyway
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>>57426419
first list is better if you get a demon detachment and deepstrike a blob of plague bearers. DG is hard at 1k pts if you want to go hard on infantry
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>>57426429
I didn't think so, Pariahs are one of the few constants in the 40k lore. It's got a bit of unstoppable force-immovable object about it, the Emperor and blanks.
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>>57426439
>Churchbots, roll out!
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>>57426441
Explain.
>>57426457
Kek. You don't have to wait to take people to church when you ARE the church.
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>>57426380
You need 2 HQ for the Battalion. 1k points is a low amount so don't try to force that Nurgle force into your army at that low amount. Just plan to expand your force with them over time.
Keep in mind that most people play at 2k points.
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>>57426440
Oh right, thought you were talking about 40k since the Coronus will probably be getting rules

Still, Proteus looks fucking sick comparied to vanilla LR's and you'd get serious props for converting one into the one you see in that artwork

I wanna do it myself now
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Are there female archons of kabals or not? The model is male.
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Are Heavy Bolters totally useless in 8th? I don't want to have to remake my guys.
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>>57426503
It's Dark Eldar
The Archon could be a bit of both genders if you wanted, go fucking nuts
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>>57426505
No, they are pretty decent actually
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>>57426489
>>57426451
Thanks anons. Yeah I preferred the first list too, because as you both say it would still hold its own at 1k points and also it allows for the battalion
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>>57426512
How would it be best to run them?
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>>57426348
I kinda want to have my Bananas be red now
Obviously you just swap the red and gold on the armour, but what colour would be good for the cloth, plume and gems?
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>>57426505
Good to very good depending on the list.
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Kind of tempted to expand my few tzeentch daemons into a small standalone force with the new codex. Does this seem sort of okay as a list?

>vanguard detachment
HQ - 1 changecaster (herald on foot) - 78

Tr - 28 pink horrors - 196

E - 6 flamers - 168

E - 1 exalted flamer - 90

E - 1 exalted flamer - 90

>outrider detachment
HQ - 1 fluxmaster (herald on disk) - 99

FA - 3 screamers - 93

FA - 3 screamers - 93

FA - 3 screamers - 93

>total: 1000 points exactly

Probably go with daemonspark warlord trait on the changecaster (he's basically there to buff the horrors, after all) and, I dunno, the grimoire as a relic I guess.
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>5 cuss toads are around 275pts
Wew lad
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>>57426503
I'm pretty sure that the entirety of eldar culture and units are unisex in lore, if not in plastic
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>>57426571
Around 250, actually.
Are you the same guy as yesterday? I think you are
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>>57426578
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>>57426571
Well if they can be taken in 3's then a minimum is 165 points
Which isn't quite as bad, my guess in 500 point games you could get two of them, a barebones HQ and a special unit like a terminator
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>>57426571
Good, i want a stopgap army until i get the sheckles together for a horde one
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>>57426571
It's the horde edition! Starring these very expensive elites!
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>>57426535
I want to just paint the vehicles red, like in the old converted Custodes army that was even featured on GW way site back in the day.
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>>57426582
I don't think it's possible. Yesterday, I was far from home, and my aging phone can't browse 4chan anymore since hiroshimoot messed up with the code.
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>>57426562
Vanguard detachment looks good, but why Screamers in the 2nd? I think taking Changling in a mono-Tzeentch force is always worth, even with his codex change.
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>>57426585
There are male banshees
the armour is just always betitted
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>>57424577

kill yourself you tremendous cockgobbling fat lard

reminder that ALL Nurgle players are morbidly obese irl
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>>57426597
Reminder that in the playtests 3 of the new Allarus guys wiped out 40 Boyz in a melee while only losing one model themselves
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I'm not saying I want more marine releases
But I understand that we'll get them whether we want them or not
So why can you not get scouts with snipers and no cloak or scouts without snipers and with cloaks
Really the fucking models look like shit, I'd take a rerelease of the old metal ones over this
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>>57426607
Not that a filthy Mon'keigh would know the difference.
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>>57426270
Skipped legday
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>>57426604
I thought screamers seemed worth a try now, with their upgrade to every attack being a lamprey bite. Also, the models are great.

I guess I can try and fit the changling in instead of the fluxmaster, his FNP may actually be useful on that big blob of horrors.
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>>57426642
I'd also like some new Terminator sprues, but nowadays Primaris are the hot shit. And they don't make Scouts either.
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>>57426641
Wot's an Allarus ?
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>>57426641
Killing boys is not hard. Fucking SoB can defeat boys in melee.
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>>57426660
Custard termies
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>>57426668
SoB would also get wiped out if the Orks struck back
>>57426660
These guys
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>>57426641
Noice.
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>>57426644
>implying we care about the difference
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>>57426658
Yeah some new termies would be nice, but for now I can stomach just replacing or removing the big DA symbols from deathwing terminators
I don't like the terminator kits less because of the poses, even though they're not great, more because I don't think first company marines should be in armour so sparsely decorated
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>>57426680
> Give them a Guardian Spear
But why though? It'd be like giving a SM Termie a Boltgun and nothing else
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>>57426708
Guardian spears are the coolest, fuck you
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>>57426679
>>57426680
Aquilons look cooler.
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>>57426708
Guardian Spears are the coolest thing in 40k nigger
Anyhow, I imagine the Axe costs extra so they're the budget choice of.. an already probably costly unit
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>>57424767
There's no point arguing with you. I hope the existence and popularity of Tau continues to torment you.
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>>57426720
I'd take these guys any day over Allarus
Let the troops have their thing
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>>57426726
I mean, I've got a unit of Aquilon standing by as well but I imagine those guys fill a different role
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>>57426680
>implying Ork would ever get there in significant numbers for that to happen
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>>57425885
What song?
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I kinda want to play a small detachment of custards alongside my krieglets. Lorewise, I'm sure the Kriegers would see them as angels or demigods, the Emperor's will made flesh.
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>>57426747
I wish FW did the Solerite Talons more akin to the kind of eagle talon design as this Adrian Smith piece does Big E's fist, not this "power fist but with things glued on top of it"
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>>57426532
>>57426489
this anon is probably right. Mono-DG may be your best bet unless you are planning on summoning because the nurgle patrol HQ tax will be too high at 1k. bloat drone, demon prince, lascannon helbrute and plague tanks are all very good units if you can fit those in instead
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>>57426654
Screamers are definitely worth a try especially if you have the models. Could be a fun 1k points list with all that potential deepstrike.
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>>57426756
I'm sure the Custodes army would be able to shoot a unit of 40 orks off the board as well but thats not the point
The test was a melee fight between the two, don't go changing the set-up like that, son.
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>>57426758
Shiroyama, Rhorke's Drift and Hill 3234
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>>57426698
Well, at least you could always take Tartaros Terminators to fulfill almost any role regular Terminators and Assault Terminators do. Only missing out on TH/SS.
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>>57424577
reminder that your dudes are the best faction
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>>57426759
No one's stopping you, lad.
I was under the assumption however, that Kriegers are used for suicide missions and such? As meat for the grinder, so to speak. So that'd be throwing away some very valuable bananas?
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>>57426720
>>57426747
Guardian Spears are cool on Troop custards, but termies need something different. Also, note they're almost the size of a boxnaught each.
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>>57426787
>Deathwing Terminator purging at incredible hihg speed
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>>57426809
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>>57426787
Tartaros are even more monopose and lacking in ornamentation than the old Indomitus kit
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>>57426641

*30 boyz.

I've told you a million times but to exaggerate.
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>>57426779
I wonder how much firepower a normal squad of Custodes have.
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>>57426803
Well, they're generally sent to the hardest battlefields since they're so loyal, and used to fight under harsh conditions. The suicide missions are more their own way of fighting.
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>>57426807
I'm not sure how big a boxnaught is but I have 3 Aquilon right here and they are about the size of a paint pot, maybe a bit taller
I doubt the boxnaught is that small
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Do we know how the jetbike cuss toads are going to be called ?
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>>57424754
They all are. Unless by 'viable' you mean 'can reliably win tourneys', in which case only the last one has a good chance and you're a WAACfag
You should go with the one that pleases you the most on esthetic and fluff grounds though, you'll be much more invested in the hobby if you like your dudes for what they are rather than because their stats are good or something
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>>57426776
Yeah, the flamers are obviously deep striking in. Undecided on the exalted ones, being characters they can hide a bit and they're pretty fast, so might just play it by ear game-by-game on whether to deep strike them.
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>>57426641
That sounds like a fluffy trade-off.
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Holy christ
Can you even pose these or are we back to the days of armies of identical models?
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>>57426815
I really hope the rumoured date of March for the Enhanced version is true.
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>>57426830
How would a Krieger feel if his suicide charge for the glory of the Emprah was interrupted by a Custoad stepping in front of him, thanking him for his service in the name of the Emperor (but I'll take it from here), and proceeding to decimate the enemy army?

>the chad custoad vs the beta krieglet
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>>57426769
Thanks man, will bear that in mind.

I have a bloat drone and was disappointed that I couldn't fit it in the list, but at least my army won't look so obviously like "I bought dark Imperium and some Daemons" on the tabletop
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>>57426821
wow now that's a tectonic shift if I ever saw one
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So, here is the thing. CSM 'daemon' units, like Oblits, benefit from Heralds and the like, but I'm right in thinking they can't be placed in a Daemon list without breaking battle forging, yes? I need to put them into a secondary detachment?
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>>57426860
Very limited posing opportunities. It's a shame; variety has always been my preferred way into the hobby over accessibility
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>>57426860
>are we back to the days of armies of identical models?
We've been here for quite some time
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>>57426865
No one will care, and if you get a demon prince and helbrute in there then it will be obvious you have been building your own dudes
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>>57426863
>T-thanks M-Mister Custodes-san!
>*Sauerkraut spills*
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>be Imperial Guardsman
>fighting for my life in the midst of a Chaos incursion
>have spent literal days of shooting shit for hours on end, with minimal sleep and the bare minimum rations
>suddenly, hear something in the distance behind my platoon
>an ethereal creaking, a maddening scratching noise
>oh god, this is what the Catachans were talking about
>a daemon portal is opening right in front of me
>daemon hordes are about to pour out of it
>they're going to skullfuck me, burn me alive with witchfire, or literally skullfuck me while I'm still breathing

>by the Emperor this is the end!

>the warp rift finally opens, and with a grotesque squelching sound, a daemon shifts into reality

>it's a fucking tree
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>>57426863
>decimate the enemy army
90% left for the real heroes.
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>20 Pink Horrors(140pts) with Herald Aura, Daemonspark and Flicker Fire vs Marines
>60 shoots, 30 hits, 23 wounds, 7.5 unsaved
>5.75 wound vs T5-7 3+ target

You could get even more wounds through either Daemon Prince reroll aura and Boon of Mutation.
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>>57426823
Well, the Allarus have special Grenade Launchers and guns on their spears & special axes, dont know what the axe does but the one on the spear is Rapid Fire 1
They also have a special fire support unit but we don't know what their stats are going to be in 40k at this point. I think they're like Heavy 3 in HH? And they have what is essentially an underslung melta gun attached to the gun as well
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>>57426871
25% is definitely not insignificant my dude. If you think it is then you bring your 1000pts of custard and I'll bring my 1250 of orks and we'll have a nice fair fight
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>>57426860
Not really. I'm disappointed honestly. The hands under the barrel of the rifle is such a goddan annoyance because that means you can't have them one handing a rifle unless you're ready to file and green stuff for a stupid long time. At least the marines arms go fairly well on them. But compared to normal tactical marines, the poseability is inferior by far. Especially for me since I play Carcharodons and love to have my models with a CCW in one hand, as if they were charging.
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>>57426863
By virgin-marching towards another trench to die there
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>>57426874
If those units have Daemon keyword under Faction keywords, then they can be placed without breaking anything, So far only Oblits and Lord of Skulls confirmed to be like that.
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>>57424838
That rule should be for Orks. They always get to hit on 5+ regardless of modifiers for ranged weapons - because they don't aim in the first place
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>>57426892
Is that an old metal one since it's so small? I'm surprised.
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>>57426895
>BIG
>BROWN
>ROOTS
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>>57426896
I wasn't aware the chaos god of autism had lesser daemons on forum duty
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>>57426900
A difference of 10 boyz very much is insignificant
At BEST they might take a second guy down to low wounds but they would still get wiped, if not from straight up damage then moral checks after the damage
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>>57426896
>90% left for the real heroes.
>M30+12
>Thinking decimating means killing 10%
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>>57426918
Where do you think his daemons live
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>>57426899
In 30k they are basically heavy bolter with a super melta underslug.
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>>57426918
It is known that Carnac has some lesser spawns crawling around in this board, yes.
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>>57426941
I can see it now with my mind's eye
>Deep strike a unit of these bad boys either next to an enemy unit or onto an objective
>melt anything you shoot at into oblivion, hold the objective forever
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>>57426924
Games aren't played in a vacuum with single squads. Scale this up and that 10-boy "insignificant" difference becomes 30 boyz with 3 units. A whole extra unit the custards have to deal with.

Also mob rule. Also stratagem where two units of orks can combine to keep mob rule in tact. Morale won't be as big a problem as you account for, I think
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>>57426863
>Squad of Custodes is then promptly massacred by sheer weight of heavy bolter fire

See, this is why WE go first and die, and YOU wait until we get into the trenches and tie them up in melee.
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>>57426978
I don't know how you have energy for this kind of autism but we're talking about a difference of 10 boyz here. 10 boyz, thats like 60 points.
And whatever scenarios you conjure up, the Allarus DID wipe out the 30 boyz like it was nothing and that's that. If they wipe out 30 boyz in a unit vs unit scenario, they would easily do so for 40.
And this is a unit vs unit scenario we're talking about here
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>>57426911
Not him but it looks like the Black Reach one, which is fucking tiny
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>4inch move
>advance rolls cut in half

Even with Deep Strike, how do I get these fatasses into combat?
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>>57427038

That's not what they're for - they're for absorbing the first few wounds on Morty to help keep him alive.
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>>57427022
Only one of us is getting an autistic rage on and it ain't me my friend, I'm just trying to point out the inaccuracies and assumptions in your argument in a friendly way

However we can keep talking about isolated unit vs unit scenarios if you want. So in that case it's a 25% inaccuracy in the original anons reporting we're talking about.

Out of interest, are 180pt games any good? Would you recommend them?
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>>57427051
I don't use Primarchs/most special characters on principle.

t. lifelong Tyranid playerOOE is an exception because I converted a Carnifex into a ChadFex with Haruspex shoveling claws and use it as a count-as
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>>57427038
Ask GW not to overdesign them so that the rules writers can bump up their movement value lolololol
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>>57427038
Honestly, they work best as a distraction
As they slowly walk toward a chosen target, the enemy either has to dedicate an enormous amount of firepower to removing them, fall back and possibly lose a objective, or ignore them and hope they don't get butchered
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>>57427017
Kek
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>>57427081

>Enormous firepower
>Terminators

Anon, I...
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Is a 20 man squad of Chaos cultists too little?

Troop tax is really killing me on my Death Guard lists.
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>>57427017
Yes.
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>>57424697
i swear I did too and I didn't see it. Thanks buddy! You helped 2 anons today.
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>>57427103
Aren't those T5 Terminators with 3 wounds, a 4++ and a 5+++?
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>>57427103
>T5 W2 2+/4++/5+++

>not hard to kill
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>>57426641
I wonder what the custard termies' statlines are? Regular ones are already T5 W3 2+/3++. In order to weather 160 BS3+ S4 attacks they probably need some sort of FnP.
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>>57427117
>>57427121

2 wounds with a 2+/4++/5+++ - none of that is terrifying to me.Its no more durable than 2 plague marines in cover.
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>>57427065
Never mentioned anything about raging but nice projection I guess?
Autism as in you latch onto something completely irrelevant and moan on and on about it incessantly.
You're literally doing nothing but wasting time here. Unit of 3 Allarus wiped out 30 boyz 1v1, donezo, case closed. Could they wipe out 40 boyz just as easily? Yes, very much so.
Just by going "durr 25%" you're trying to make something that is just 10 boyz sound like its much more impactful than it is, this isn't a difference of 250 points we're talking about here, its 60. We have a definite number and situation so no need for your hyperbole hypotheticals.
For what purpose do this? Shitposting I guess?
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>>57427038
Soup or index in warptime.
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>>57427130
*120
See:
>>57426821

Not that I'm really OCD about this, I just don't want the whole thread getting the wrong information to base their mathhammer and lists off
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>>57427130
They are probably W4. Even 160 orks attacks average 6 wounds against custards, so it make sense for only a single death.

Still they must have a very good killing power, otherwise if the combat went on it would be hell for those custodes.
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>>57427152
>Calling own mistake "irrelevant" to play it down and getting this buttfrustrated over a throwaway comment about him being incorrect

I haven't even read the rest of your comment m8 and I'm not gonna, there's no point us engaging, it just sours the rest of the thread.

3 custards killed 30 boyz and lost 1 of their own - let's let the discussion continue
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>>57427211
>>57427211
>>57427211
new thread
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>>57426924
Are you trolling? That's 40 extra attacks and 10 wounds to take down. Unless you think 3 is the same number as 4.
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>>57427208
It is an insignificant difference, you ought to be able to see this.
Thanks for confirming I'm in the right here by calling quits, though.
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>>57427222
Don't you get it anon? 3 is not the same as 4, but that's apparently irrelevant and insignificant, so just drop it for the sake of his delicate pride!

>Keeping this in the old thread so it doesn't pollute the new one with that guy's incredible autistic stubbornness
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>>57427222
So if 30 of the things are only able to kill one custodian and get destroyed themselves, just add 10 more and the custodes would be fucked?
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>>57427403
Yes, because those 30 may well leave 1 Custodes nearly dead, and dealing one more wound can be the difference in killing him and greatly reducing their damage output.
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So how the fuck do I build a decent Marine List without going Raven Guard of Guilliman?

I play Ultras, but spamming a primarch sucks.

We mostly play 1000 pts. Predators look good, but apart from that I really have no clue what to take since all my troop choices seem terrible.
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>>57426906
Which seems to imply that it would work for Mutilators too, given they're like Oblits. Jury would be out on Warp Talons or Possessed I guess?
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This Custodes announcement really cements how here reacts to every release doesn't it?

Step 1: Widespread rage and complaining, "GW has ruined everything"
Step 2: maybe they look good... b-baka
Step 3: excited for them, many anons picking them up.




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