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Big Beautiful Basics Edition

Don't look back in anger: >>57936819

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>Thread Question
Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
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>Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
no thats retarded. i just want to combo you out on turn 1 with sidisi ANT like god intended.
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>>57950061
>Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
Only in a few cases. My Edgar deck has all Innistrad or SOI block basics, and my Kruphix deck has all BFZ Vincent Proce forests and Adam Paquette islands (I really like those two for whatever reason, and it's more or less on-theme because it's an Eldrazi deck). I eventually want to fill my entire OG Omnath deck with original Zendikar full art forests too, but I just haven't gotten around to it due to laziness.
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This shit better fucking be in M25 or there's gonna be a fucking RIOT!
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>Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
I bought the latest un-lands for Mina and Denn because they seem like they would be easier to search for, which the deck does a lot.
I'll eventually get around to thematic lands for other decks as well, but those will just be regular ones.
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>>57950061
I have a few alters that my friend made, but other than that, I like to put the coolest basics in my favorite decks and have no duplicates except for maybe special cases. I have a few foil snow lands in my Ayli for example. My favorite of the said alters is in my best and most valuable deck. Most of the other basics are 7th edition foils, since they're just so pretty.
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>>57950061
I always collect any chippy or snow basics when looking through LGS free basic sections. Have enough alara chippys to cover all 2 commander decks with those colors, and a modern deck.
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>>57950233
I hope not, but then again I'm an asshole that likes to see my cards spike in value while people cry about prices. :^)
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>>57950061
Foily basics are necessity in casual formats.
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>>57950679
Love the mountain and forest anon. Always been a big fan of deathrites art too, I know argyle is divisive, but I love his style.
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>>57950714
Yeah I'm split on Argyle. Some of his stuff is 10/10 like Deathrite, Boob woman of the veil and Admonition Angel and some of his stuff just sucks ass like his Bloodbraid Elf that looks like barbie.
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>>57950757
I feel ya. Deathrite is definitely his magnum opus. Though I do love monastery mentor and somberwald sage as a close 2nd/3rd.
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>>57950784
>monastery mentor
woops meant swiftspear, my bad.
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.>>57950784
>>57950794
It's cool i know which you meant.
Forgot about those two. They're also good.

Also forgot about Angelic Arbiter and Slave of Bolas. His angels are generally pretty good.
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>playgroup consists of Zedruu, Yidris, omnathsfuckingpissed.jpg, Edgar, and Ramos
>decide to play planechase
>Turn 5ish Ramos buttfucks his way into Warp World hoping he could land some bigstuff
>Several board wipes occur moments later
>Grindy control game continues for two hours and a good 45 minutes of that were stuck in Mirrored Depths
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>>57950820
We've all had a hellish game like that.
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>>57950573

>plains
>it's a desert

beautiful but my autism can't handle this
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>>57950061
I just ordered the G/W version of those lands for my Selvala deck.
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>>57951034
10/10 choice.
Can't believe people hated Lorwyn.
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>>57951103
They hated Lorwyn because of gamaplay mostly, that and the set wasn't "cool"
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>>57951003
That is kind of funny actually. Science fiction art is my favorite, so I naturally gravitated towards the alara stuff. Master transmuter is probably one of my favorite pieces in magic.

>>57951034
>>57951103
Lorwyn too is a treasure art wise.
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>>57951189
Now that I take a closer look at that art, is that supposed to be Breya before she went full etherium? She's the one that knows how to transmute etherium right?
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>>57951189
Master Transmuter is such an odd card.
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>>57951240
I can certainly see that. Kind of like nahiri and stoneforge mystic. Whatever works for you anon! Really wish chippy did official playmats- dude seems really elusive/introverted.


>>57951251
Indeed, but man I love cheating out a darksteel forge turn 4/5.
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>>57950679

I try to foil out all my lands in all my decks
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>Birthing Pod'ing a 1-drop into Bloodghast, then Ramunap Excavator next turn
>With fetchland in the graveyard
Bloodghast is so much better in GB instead of Edgar, holy shit
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>>57951609
golgari land decks are hilarious to pilot. Gitrog when not going for the tryhard combo is a fucking amazingly fun value engine
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What's the most fun artifact based commander to play?
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>>57951721
Mishra
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>>57951721
Mishra or Kraj
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So why is TCGplayer better to buy from than Starcity?
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I already have several artifacts/lands in mind, but I was curious what you guys would use for the self-harm portion for this commander's deck.

Ideally it would tick over 1 per turn if artifact and the damage either be optional or something I can turn off if my commander/life gain on creature etb gets removed.
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>>57951240
Supposedly, Breya made her own Etherium after finding that Sangrite (native to Jund) and Carmot (Elusive material needed for Etherium manufacture) were, if not the same thing, at least interchangable. So, presumably she would have been full meat back pre-merge or at least closer than master transmuter, who seems to have a similar level of the stuff to Breya.

That said, while I don't think it's a full, intended Master Of Arms/Gerrard or Taluruum Champion/Tahngarth "legend as nonlegend", it's a kind of fun headcanon.
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>>57951316
Yup. But foil original shocks ain't cheap
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>>57951892
Also finding original foil shocks that aren't curled like a fucking banana is difficult too.
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>>57951851
Dingus Staff is pretty much the best option since it goes infinite with a Soul Sister and a sac outlet.

Cold Snap with a full compliment of Snow Lands could be kind of fun and flavorful. If you need it to stop, just refuse to pay its cumulative upkeep.

Karma + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is janky to pull in mono-white and can't be trivially shut off but if it fires it clocks the whole table.
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>>57951851
Sorrow's path
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>playing against another Edgar deck in my play group
>haven't played my commander yet
>use Captivating Vampire to steal opponent's Edgar
>get double eminence triggers everytime a vampire is played
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>>57951034
Nice choice those are the lands I've been using for selvala for years
Easily my favorite ones
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>>57950061
>Talking about basics
>But not best basics
Shit format, shit taste
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>>57952044
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>he taps his cards to the left
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>>57951968
Or Unfortunately - The Land as it's now known.
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>>57952044
>>57952055
Unhinged was so shit they set fire to it.
The Bob Ross art however is nice/10
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>>57951956
I like the idea behind karma + Tomb, but it feels that it would be unreliable as you need 2 cards to get any benefit

Cold snaps upkeep is a bit exspensive for what it does and my play group dont run snow-covereds so I cant get any additional benefits from that either

I'm definitely putting in dingus staff. Another one I liked was torture chamber, scared it will hurt you too much just use it to revenge kill a creature.
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>>57951999
C17 sucked camel ass.
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>>57951968
Interesting, this could definitely be a fun card to use in the deck. Unfortunately it's "2 damage to each creature you control" will kill most of my non soldiers aka the clerics keeping me alive.
It's fairly cheap though, I might give it a shot.
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>>57952156
What you do is use Path, Stuffy Doll targeting yourself, and Kor Chant to eat all the damage.
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>>57952190
Oh, and give stuffy Lifelink if you think it's too dangerous
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>>57952190
>>57952201
I fucked up, Kor Chant does NOT do what I thought it did, you have to be able to redirect everything.
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>>57952121
Yeah, it did suck. But it wasn't too bad, there are some ridiculous exclusives at least.
At least it was better than some of the other products wizards shits out.
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>>57952156
Bubble Matrix, my friend.
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>>57950573
Arabs are canonically white creatures in MTG.
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>>57952214
>>57952156
Martyrdom. That's the card I was thinking. Lets Stuffy Doll eat all the damage off your other creatures, damaging you. With lifelink on Stuffy you won't have to worry even if the sum is truly insane.
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>>57952233
I like that...
Would it interfere with Jade Monolith?
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>>57952281
I'm pretty sure you could stack a Jade Monolith activation on top of the Bubble Matrix trigger, but I'm not 100%.

Have you considered Personal Incarnation?
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>>57950061
I just use full art Zendikar lands and call it a day. I bought a big box of them for like $20 so I'll never run out.
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>>57945870
Aurelia, the Warleader which I'm convinced is the best boros commander. Every time I play against a new person with her, they inevitably comment on how surprised they are with a boros commander's power level.
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>>57951103
People hatred Lorwyn? It was my favorite block.
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>>57952293
I don't like the lifeloss on death, but otherwise it could be good.
I just like how I can also use jade on an opponent's creatures.
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>>57952044
>>57952055
Holy shit, I need those lands. John Avon a shit. I'm not a bob ross fanboy, but you can't deny those results.
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>>57952407
>he still haven't swallowed the kev walker redipillu
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>>57952121
at least it had teferis protection. Its quickly become my favorite white card ever.
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>>57952370
I vividly remember people whining like crazy about the fairy tale aesthetic and lack of dragons and cool dudes in armor back when it came out.
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>>57952235
>Arabs are canonically white creatures in MTG.
humans have always been in all 5 colors. arabian nights was no exception.
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>>57952121
Nope. It's one of the least warping commander sets we've ever had. The decks and their commanders are engineered specifically toward casual, which is much better compared to what we get
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>>57952421
Kev Walker is ok.
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>>57952370
just plebs hated it
the draft environment was super high skilled due to changelings, and the art is one of the best in the game (definitely top 3 sets)
the power level was strong across all rarities, and mythic didn't exist yet

second best set of Magic IMO
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>>57952479
>The draft enviroment
Oh, you mean the draft enviroment that even pros went to time in game 2?
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>>57952479
Good taste friend. What were your other top 2?
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>>57952489
>if it's slow it's bad
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>>57952525
If the majority go to time, that is true
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>>57952479
>the draft environment was super high skilled due to changelings
Until morningtide went in, at least. Either that or I was playing with a bunch of shitters to take four consecutive FNMs forcing Faerie Rogues. I wanted that playset of crypts and new how to get them. Seems stupid now, though.

I kind of agree with you on the look and feel. It's a little lower down for me, but in the grand scheme of things? Fairly High?

My top list for art & Flavor: Homelands, Ice Age, Urza's, Fallen Empires, Time Spiral, Shadowmoor, Lorwyn, Innistrad, Kamigawa, and then we get into sectional pulls like New Phyrexia and Esper while Mirrodin and the rest of Alara rate fairly low)
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Anyone have a decent and fun Xenagod list?
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>>57952492
Mirage definitely up there, amazing art on a big number of cards, and maybe possibly Odyssey.

Overall, after Alara, the art became more and more CG focused until there almost no humanity or personal touch in the art today (Seb mckinnon is an exception but that's it)

>>57952489
I dont follow or care about the pros. I remember the drafting experience fondly, and we never had that much of a problem with going to time in most of the Lorwyn games at my LGS when we used to play it
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>>57952565
good stuff mate.
all sets have good art and bad art, it's just that i feel the most recent ones are heavy on the low end of the curve, and the old sets are full of gems
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what are your top janky wincons to confound enemies and impress friends?
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>>57952667

Magosi, the Waterveil combo in Patron of the Moon

basically this whole deck is janky wincons
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>>57952581
Don't have my list at the ready, but if you aren't running Malignus and Blightsteel you're doing it wrong. Oran Rief Hydra and Akoum Hellkite are great too if you're mana ramping.
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>>57952581
Yeah it's
Xenogod x 1
36 lands
15 ramp spells and rocks
15 standard green and red removal and protection
23 huge immovable big men
10 small efficient will big big ty Xenagod useful men
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>>57952614
I kind of agree but I do have some big picture caveats on that

First, we've absolutely lost most of the top-tier standouts. The last art that I can remember really Wowing me (not counting promos or masterpieces, I think there might have been an invocation or two worth writing home about) was Pale Rider of Trostad in SoI. Before that it was probably... something out of Tarkir? See the Unwritten is the first card that comes to mind. Tarkir was the last setting to have a really good visual style, and then only really in the Khans timeline, the dragon broods felt kind of phoned in by comparison though Ojutai and Silumgar had a couple of good pieces, if not really astounding. But the Temur and Jeskai really knocked it out of the park.

All the same, we don't have quite as many notable failures either. The push for this homogenized digital art has robbed us of a good deal of genius as the cost for avoiding as many "Too late, print it anyway" moments. Personally I don't think it was a good trade given how fucking ugly the new stuff can get while still being technically 'good' art but I see why WotC made it.

IMO the golden age for Magic art was pretty much Tempest/Urza's standard, where we had good world design but also enough artists with enough freedom to create great stuff. Jeremy Jarvis did a good job trying to recover that, picking up the pieces Cranford left behind, and we have him to thank for a lot of commendable designs. Since Jarvis left us with Dawn Murin and co things have been on a real downward slide but it's not hopeless: We haven't hit Legions-5th Dawn level bullshit yet.
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Does Azor's Gateway go in every deck?

Is it as powerful as I think it is?
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Who is the most fun Portal 3k commander? I've got my eye on this guy
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>>57952894
Seems janky as fuck to me.
>Have to pitch 5 cards with different cmc that you could otherwise use for yourself
>Can't do shit with it unless flipped
>Still potentially useless depending on life total
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>>57952667
+assault suit

everybody will love you
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>>57952894
It's slow as shit looting and the flip is amazingly telegraphed: your opponents have at LEAST 3 turns to answer it, in a collective sense, and they can wait until you've exiled some actual gas to "get there" to rub it out. It goes in CA-and-ramp starved red and white decks, but not in anything with black (that would prefer graveyard play and draws cards like a champ) or green (That ramps to hell way easier, AND has good GY interaction and CA itself)
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>>57952894
Yeah, it's super OP. It was banned by my group.
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Ok /edh/ what is your favorite commander to play with and your least favorite to play against?
>Favorite to play with
Nekusar
>Least favorite to play against
Breya
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>>57952923
>friend keeps laughing because I'm fond of old keywords like horsemanship
>thinks it's stupid when I make a deck around it
>his face when I hit him for lethal over a fucking wall of blockers
No honour, no mercy.
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>>57952935
>>57952945
I actually read it as needing to exile total converted mana cost of 5, not 5 different mana costs. Less good than i thought, but still sends like a cheap repeatable looting effect if nothing else.
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>>57953059
I really want to try out Nekusar but I am sure my table will hate me for it.
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>>57952923

Dong zhou, the mad tyrant as secret commander in a jeskai flicker deck
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>>57953067
Now you just need to make a banding deck
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>>57953059
>Favorite to play with
Ink-Treader
>Least favorite to play against
Anything tribal is boring. Most tutor commanders are boring. Linear combo and goodstuff are boring.
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>>57953070
It is worth noting that loot-to-exile is usually far worse than loot-to-grave since the GY is a more lively zone. If you've got no grave play, sure, there's no difference but most decks will run at least a little.

I guess it beats Jaulum Tome, but nobody plays Jaulum Tome for good reason. Similarly, you're not playing gateway if you don't have at least some intention of flipping.
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>>57951792
>>57951786
As much as I like Mishra, he's really boring when you don't get one of the like 4 cards that work with him. He does get bonus points for being an artifact commander in UR though.
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>>57953107
Oh baby that'd be a dream to pilot
>NO I DECIDED WHO BLOCKS FIRST MWHAHAHA
Would vehicles be good in a banding deck?
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>>57951803
More sellers with better prices available. I'd also never support Star City directly because they're a big part of inflating secondary market prices.
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>>57953148
I dunno, but with the rule that allows 1 creature without banding to join a band you can probably do some stupid stuff.
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>>57953081
Wish I could tell you different but yeah. 100% you are going to catch some serious hate. The only reason mine does so well in my playgroup is because I build some control instead of going full glass cannon. Mindcrank+Bloodchief Ascension is stupid easy to pull off in that deck too.
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>>57953059
>Favorite
Scarab God or Mazirek
>Least favorite
Narset, be it insta-win or chaos. Even when a buddy of mune lower the power a ton it's still too strong
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>>57951721
Sydri?
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>>57951999
I'm sure there's realistically a better token swarm Commander than Edgar, but damn, that's gotta be intimidating to play against.
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>>57951721
???
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>>57952581
I have a list, but I'd hesitate to call it a good one. There's a lot of obvious stuff I excluded for my own reasons. I can still post it if you're interested though. Might serve as a good start to what you could want.
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>>57952894
>spend a couple turns building it up
>four cards exiled
>going to exile the fifth
>beast within

Don't play it.
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>>57953378
There are better swarm decks obviously, but the value you get out of completely FREE tokens is insane. His deck can be extremely fast if you pack it with cheap drops.
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>Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
Yes. I use art that corrosponds to their home terrain.
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>>57953059
>Favorite to play
Xenagos

>Least favorite to fight
Memnarch, probably.
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Any thoughts on my Mirri Voltron/Enchantresses deck?
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-more-the-mirrier-1/
I love being able to shut down a bunch of strategies, but actually winning with it can be a real challenge.
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>>57953400
>linear artifact tutor
>fun
Strongest maybe (though that title arguably goes to Breya now), but he's not exactly fun.
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>>57953378
>>57951999
There are stronger commanders for tokens.dec but Edgar is so oppressive due to the lack of interaction with the token generation.
That's the problem with Eminence, not its power, it's lack of interaction.
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>>57953535
Mirari's Wake
Privileged Position
Winds of Rath
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Should I pick up a Mana Crypt or Wheel of Fortune?
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>>57950061
Yes. Razorgrass plains from og Mirrodin. I bought out TCGplayer of all the near mint and lightly played ones for my monowhite equipment deck. There's about twenty something of these in there. Let me know where I can find more for a fair price.
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>>57953753
W H E E L
O F
F O R T U N E
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>>57953107
I run the black one in my grixis Reanimator deck, banding with legends is broken as fuck
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>>57953676
One could argue that since it's not powerful, it's not really a problem.
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>>57950233
it will probably be reprinted simply because there is essentially no other set for it to be reprinted in

im sad because i've had fun watching my cabal coffers almost triple in value since i got it like a year ago
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>>57954106
please god no I literally just bought one
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>>57953783
Done, time to make Nekusar now.
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>>57950061
>Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
Yes, my Korlash Deck has all foil lands and there's only one basic swamp from any given set.
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>>57953922
Saying that it's not powerful is a bit much.
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>>57953922
Even if you counter the vampire creatures, Edgar still hands out a token for trying as it triggers on cast. I'd say it's fairly strong, especially in a rush deck.
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>>57953922
It's not that it isn't powerful, most of the Eminence abilities are.
The problem is primarily their inability to be interacted with, is what I was saying.
>>57954391 and >>57954507 are right
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How would you guys play the gitrog monster in a casual enviroment? I want to play it, but I feel like my group power level is a bit too low for it.
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>>57954725
Don't play with any dredge or staxy cards, and find cute cards like pic related instead of full on stax-combo. Try a theme for the deck, be it flavor, tribal or something really janky, perhaps even voltron?
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>there were multiple people in the previous thread that unironically recommended Mayael's Aria over Naya Charm
Do you faggots not understand how valuable an instant speed Regrowth is, on top of two situationally good alternative modes?
Compared to an incredibly slow winmore enchantment it's plain embarrassing how much better it is.
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>>57954725
Well we can't tell you if we don't know what everyone else is running. Safest bet is cutting out the free discard or gaea's blessing/kozilek and focus more on a value engine.
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>>57950061
>Do you invest time and money on pimping out your basic lands?
I thought about it, but no. I'll try to match aesthetics of the commander if not just looking for art that I like, but things like unstable full arts are 3 dollars a pop, meaning a mono color deck would cost me like 90 dollars in fucking basic lands, and that's just not acceptable.
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>>57954725
Avoid dredging things and discard outlets. Maybe limit yourself to Dakmnor Salvage since it's a land. Run more land etb/leave synergy like Rampaging Baloths and Titania. Focus on his ability to power out lands rather than his ability to get massive draw value off of him. Basically make it a big g/b timmy deck that messes around with lands occasionally.
That's how I'd do it anyway.
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>>57952894
There are dozens of better looting options if you're blue or red, especially if you care about discarding to the graveyard.
You'll get more impressive card selection with Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack, especially if you have fetches for shuffling. Green also has Sylvan Library and Mirri's Guile, and black can say fuck it and get actual card advantage with Phyrexian Arena effects.
With that said, it's probably the third best card for colorless card selection. Don't ever expect to flip it.
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>>57953922
And that person would be wrong.
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>>57955248
For aggro to be viable in this format it needs a helping hand. The other good aggro commanders are, of the top of my head, Xenagos and Purphoros. Both share being difficult to interact with. There's just no other way an aggro player can possibly chew through 3 different player's life points.
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>>57955543
the only way I can see it working is with a commander that gave other creatures myriad.
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>>57954841
I had other regenerate/return cards to your hand effects in that deck.

I only cared about cutting down to 99. At this point, i can swap things in and out.
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>>57955666
Literally saskia, albeit that only works for 3 player games, with the ability to double up for a single opponent.
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1.Would you allow Unstable cards in your EDH, or at least commanders?

2.Whats some goodstuff for Grusilda?
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I've recently started playing Gitrog and next FNM I have to beat Leovold 1v1. Any spicy tech for that? I know he runs some windfall effects, but not stuff like Teferi's Box
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>>57955789
Doubling up for a single opponent looks like the perfect recipe for "Kill one player, then get killed yourself".
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>>57955830
>leovold
You're in for a tough time, that's for sure. Keep removal handy for Leo if possible but other than that I wish you all the luck in the world. Dismember, Beast Within, and what-have-you. If worst comes to worst just beat him to death with the frog. Basically be prepared to abandon your usual strategies and improvise at a moment's notice.
Leo is banned for a reason, he's a major pain in the ass to any deck but most especially decks that revolve around a draw engine like Gitrog
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>>57955809
Grusilda would probably be the only Commander I'd allow, Un-Shit is generally just that.

That said, I dunno... classic Rakdos?
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>>57955809
That's it. Grusilda is the new Shirei.

Look at edhrec.
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>>57955932
Well yeah, thanks for the cheer though
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>>57955830
>Tasigur, the Golden Fang is banned in french
>leovold is not
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Is new Ulamog, Kozilek, or Emrakul the better commander?
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>>57956065
Ulamog for beatdown, Kozilek for control, Emrakul for less good control. Realistically, put them all in the same deck and swap them at the helm as you see fit.
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>>57955957
I wish I had more for you but I could never crack the Leo case in b/g. Just murderate the smug elf whenever he shows his face and hope for the best in my experience.
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>>57956107
Having to sac lands with no upside is a bit of a problem, I'm concerned more with his ability to draw not only from spells, but also from abilities, so I can't murderize him with lands, Ulvenwald Tracker or something, AND he also draws when I try to target him with discard which is an extra load of horseshit. The guy running him said he doesn't run Boots'n shit because that would prevent the opponents from targeting his stuff

>>57955974
Yes, it's fun for the whole family
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>>57956065
OG Kozilek most definitely, because one thing colorless desperately needs is card draw after you drop all your rocks.
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>>57955945
Thats pretty good. Should it be Demon tribal as well?
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>>57955809
No, and especially not that one.
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>Animar tries to resolve Prophet of Crufix in a 4-man pod
>anon, that card is banned in multiplayer
>oh, I'm sorry, my deck is made for duel and I don't have another
>already has Edric on board
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I have a mardu (but mostly b/w) aristocrats deck that used to be Edgar but i changed it to Queen Marchesa, I have a vague simic Kraj deck that seems to just be an excuse for using Biovisionary, and now a naya Marath dinosaur deck.
For the sake of feeling complete, what would be a good idea for a fourth deck that isn't going to feel redundant to the other three?
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>>57956873
Shoulda got them to replace it with a basic. Don't enable that kind of faggotry.
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>>57952121
>Eminence sucked ass
FTFY. Take that away and it's just tribal-palooza, big whoop.
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>>57957014
They were all so dullll
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>>57957014
Only the primary commanders were tribal anyway (unless you count the dragon part of UW Taigam, but no one does). Most of the secondary ones were actually pretty neat.
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>>57957014
>Take that away and it's just tribal-palooza
Don't forget Granny value-town.
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Obscure fighting cards for RHONAS THE INDOMITABLE?
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Reposting from last thread. Any recommendations or spicy tech for my Sidisi EDH?
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sidisi-sacrifice-abuse-copy/
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>>57957065
"legal" in legacy
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How often do you play EDH? I can only play one evening each week and then maybe 3 games. It's not enough. There are several cards in my decks that have never seen play because I play so seldom.
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>>57957138
>How often do you play EDH?
I try to make it to 3 events a week, and I typically get 3-4 games in a night. That's about as much EDH as I can handle.
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>>57957085
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>>57957085
Not necessarily obscure, but Ezuri's Predation.
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I need cost reducers for artifacts, anyone have any suggestions other than Foundry Inspector?

Also, is treasure mage worth it if I already run trinket mage and trophy mage? I'd probably be grabbing mindslaver or blightsteel with it
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>>57957356
semblance anvil
etherium sculptor

I personally don't run treasure mage, since I prefer welding or tinkering big mana artifacts rather than hard cast them
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>>57957138
Used to be as much as you but my group are really into betrayal now and I wanna die.
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>>57957138
Same. Once a week, 3 games tops. Not much, but I'll take what I can get. Being a father takes a lot of time.
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Should I build a meme stax deck just to win with azor's elocutors?
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>>57957414
Tinker's banned senpai. I'm also running monoblue.

Etherium Sculptor looks perfect, I'm really hoping to tutor SDT, a cost reducer, and future sight to draw my whole deck and combo off with paradox engine but we'll see how it goes.
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>>57957522
>Tinker's banned senpai

I mean tinker as an effect, Arcum Daggson, Reshape, Kuldotha forgemaster and the likes
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>>57954725

No discard outlets. One time shuffle effects.
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what's the best commander for a bant enchantment deck?
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>>57957633
le ebin untap bird
warning
turns take 15 min and are boring as fuck
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>>57950233
That shit is not even expensive, dude. If you are going to be a poorfag, better be it because you put money in your deck
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>>57957847
Mmh a friend of already has a derevi deck, anyway
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>>57957885
do this instead
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>>57957847
Why would they take 15 min?
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>>57957893
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>>57957918
I want blue stuff,
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>>57957894
>cast an enchantment
>3 triggers to resolve
>draw a card
>2 triggers to resolve
>finally tap out and finish casting, bouncing and resolving all sorts of triggers
>ok ill move to combat
>untap a bunch of shit
>start casting/drawing/triggers all over again
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>>57957633
Thrasios + Ishai.
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>>57957938
>I want blue stuff
you might actually be better off with a good stuff commander that just so happens to be an enchantress deck like idk kruphix enchantress or something
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>>57951721
Muzzio, if you like to gamble
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>>57952355
Can i see your list? I'm curious whether Aurelia is worth dismantling my Breya artifacts for. Never cared for blue tbhon
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>>57953059
>>Favorite to play with
>Breya
>>Least favorite to play against
>any deck with no answers, removal, any form of interaction and that do nothing for the game to be interesting
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Is search for Azcanta worth playing with Inalla?
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>>57957356
Cloud key
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>>57957633
Rafiq?
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>>57952044
>>57952055
>Bob Ross
wut?
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>>57957088
Why no love for snek?
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>>57954841
Are you fucking stupid? Maya charm is good, yes. What you don’t get is that it isn’t better than mayaels aria in every deck. In the Dino deck, mayaels is much better.
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r8 boys

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/me-play-vampire/
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>>57958886
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/me-play-vampire/
hey guys look another unrefined Edgar Markov deck
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>>57957633
There's none that really support the strategy, but as beater, Jenara is decent, Roon and Rubinia produce decent value and Treva is garbage, but I would play it, if I had the absolutely beautiful alternate art version.
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>>57958911
This one is in fact competently built, it's just not done.
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>>57958840
Mayael's Aria is fucking trash m8. It does nothing the turn you cast it, it does nothing post-board wipe and when it actually does manage to do something, one +1/+1 counter per turn only on creatures that have survived a full rotation of attacking, blocking and removal is fucking nothing. 10 life is cute when you get it to happen once every 10 games. If you ever manage to get to 20+ power without board wipes or spot removal then congratulations for winning against mentally handicapped people, even you could've just won with creature beatdown if you have creatures with 20 fucking power.
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>>57958971
>competently done
>not finished
no it just sucks
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What's the best option for a tokens.dec commander? I'm aiming for something that includes Orzhov colors and i'm avoiding Teysa
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>>57959070
Articulate why
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>>57959152
Clearly Ghave.

But I'd also try out abzanafenza if you really want. Outside of Orzhov I recommend Thormok.
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>>57959163
>Articulate why
you have far too many maybe board cards
you are using a 1v1 build with very little instant speed interaction
you have shit for card draw

read every other thread we have had for the last 4 months
i swear theres a markov list posted every single thread
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>>57959223
thx bruh, any secret tech for him?
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>>57959243
>such a tryhard he looks at Edgar and sees aggro as "1v1"
What would you cut for card draw, friend?
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>>57959000
Holy shit. If you run naya colors and don’t have myriad boardwipe protection, you’re trash at building naya decks.

Now the deck in question was Dinos. Most Dinos have 5+ power, with some hitting 10 after just a turn or two. After that, it’s 10 life every upkeep. You don’t expect to hit power 20 in a game, but with things like curse of predation, Kazandu refuge, etc, it’s possible if anyone is dumb enough to leave you alone.
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>>57959269
Any card in his colours and he goes infinite.
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>>57951851

Jinxed Idol is okay
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>>57959285
no you just have an absurdly low cmc and no wrath protection
might work if you are playing against decks that dont intend to cast any spells till turn 4 but if you want to win in a decent meta you might want to look at other lists
like I said theres a billion markov lists out there next time you post a list make it interesting
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>>57959294
Keep defending slow winmore cards all you want, Timmy, I'm sure it works great against your opponents' craw wurm decks.
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>>57959303
Is it really that easy to go infinite on him? I'm can't afford a Doubling Season right now
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>>57959000
>T1 Ancient tomb, sol ring, mana crypt, signet, signet, Torpor orb, Phyrexian juggernaut
>T2 Mayael's aria
>T3 Berserk in response to upkeep trigger
Where's your god now? Aria is a good card.
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>>57959376
Yeah, I think that he's the easiest infinite machine. He goes infinite with hardened scales for example.
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>>57959294
hows the weather like in magicalchristmasland timmy
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>>57959163
imagine being this much of a nigger
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>>57959409
no way, i'm not really experienced with infinites, where can i go to learn more about these interactions? Want to make it as effective as possible without going crazy on the expensive cards
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>>57959379
I think you meant phyrexian dreadnought, but the fun thing is that Phyrexian Juggernaut allow you to win T2 instead of T1 but without using Mayael's Aria and usign a mox instead of two signet and torpor orb, making it an actually better win that doesn't use the Aria.
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>>57959455
Literally anything that makes tokens or +1 counters go more makes ghave shit out everything.
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>>57959409
>He goes infinite with hardened scales for example.
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>>57950573
I have a foil one of these in my mono white deck and its probably my favorite land
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>>57959294
>Holy shit. If you run naya colors and don’t have myriad boardwipe protection, you’re trash at building naya decks.
Funny thing, I'm the anon who was building the Naya dino deck in the previous thread.

I have a handful of Indestructibility granters, and a few hexproof granters (which granted have nothing to do with wipes, just targeted removal), and at least one or two creature regenerators.

I'll post a decklist eventually with a maybeboard, and see how much hate I'll warrant or if anyone has decent swap suggestions.

The only thing is I am not fucking running Zacma or Gishath. I don't like expensive cmc commanders, and all I'd lose out on is Path of Ancestry. I could possibly be convinced to drop white entirely and run r/g Ulasht dinos, but I want to get some use out of my Huatlis.
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>>57959455
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mushroom-senseis-short-party/
Here's my list if you're interested. Many of the expensive stuff isn't really necessary and my focus has been less Ghave and mainly he's the plan Z, but I would recommend token doublers, such as Parallel lives, Anoited procession and Primal vigor. Sac outlets are a must, most important being Ashnod's. Karmic guide and Reveillark for loops.
I can give more educated opinions about infinites, but if you're focusing on getting the most value out of Ghave, at least any + counter shenanigans are good. Oh, and Blade of the Bloodchief is insane for that.
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>>57959549

Zacama isn’t a good Dino Tribal Commander anyways.

But why not Gishath? Even at 8 mana just a bit of ramp is enough to get her out earlyish, and all it takes it one hit and you start exploding with dinosaurs.
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>>57959509
He does though, just like Marath does. If you don't have mana to pay for arbitary number of interactions, doesn't make it not infinite.
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>>57959478
Yeah, Dreadnought. It doesn't win you the game T2 though, it can merely wipe out one player if you play Berserk, but after that you have no gas and your creature is dead. Dreadnought straight up wins.
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>If you don't have mana to pay for arbitary number of interactions, doesn't make it not infinite.
>I have a completely independent infinite mana combo, therefor my non-infinite cards that cost mana and are in no way infinite combos are infinite combos!
Are people really this dumb?
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>>57959616
>If you don't have mana to pay for arbitary number of interactions, doesn't make it not infinite.
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>>57959607
My biases as a player and a paranoid brainlet deckbuilder.

Also, Marath (or Ulasht if r/g) are reusable burn spells to ping Enrage.
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>>57959269
I actually run him. Altar of the Brood and crystaline crawler are pretty spicy, but the best thing ever, outside of ashnods, is probably heroic intervention because wraths are one of the few ways to shut him off, nature's will is awesome, avenger of zendikar is mandatory, and suture priest is underrated.
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Hey guys, I found a one-card infinite combo!
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>>57959616
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I just started playing mtg this weekend, but i know that planeswalkers are fairly new in the games history. How has the lore and story developed before? Its all about them these days
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>>57959455
>>57959680
>https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/forage-through-the-fungus/
Alright anon, here's my super duper budget t4/t5 combo list. It's surprisingly strong, cost effective, and one of my favorite budget decks I've ever put together. I have a non-budget version if you're interested, but this list right here will absolutely shit on people. If you play it right, you'll combo out around t7, but as early as t4 with a magical christmasland hand. The biggest trick is knowing what to tutor, and mulliganing until you can actually win with your hand. If you have any questions, let me know, I've become a filthy monoblue stax player but I love this janky nonsense. Doubling season is overrated, it's almost always removed, so don't take people too seriously.
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>>57959754

It’s honestly been kinda terrible. They tried to do a superhero team thing, and it sucked. Sucked hard. Some of the Ixalan Block stories were okay to decent.
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>>57959669
It is infinite tied to the amount of mana you can pay. It doesn't matter if it can win you the game. We can nitpick all we want and say that you can never have infinite anything, which negates all infinites.
The two cards can go infinite and the interaction has the potential. It's still a infinite combo, even if you don't do an infinite combo.
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>>57959754
>How has the lore and story developed before?
It used to be about one dude running around the multiverse, fucking everything up wherever he went.

Then it was about a sky pirate and his ragtag crew of furries traversing the multiverse with that previous dude's head in a bag, because that previous dude could shoot lasers out of his eyes and be used as a weapon and stuff.

Then we took some detours to random places with their own stories. This was MTG's best era for lore (imo), with each block featuring its own independent story.

Then we got walkers. A few more blocks passed where they weren't hugely impactful.

Then the Eldrazi showed up it was cool for un set, but since then, MTG lore has basically been in the shitter, featuring the same characters every block, solving the same problems just with different backdrops.
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>>57959764
appreciate it bruh, been really far behind in my playgroup's power level and i'm hoping Ghave finally allows me to have a decent chance to win some game nights with my friends
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>It is infinite tied to the amount of mana you can pay.
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>>57959836
What kind of decks do your buddies play? Ghave gets a ton of hate almost always.
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>>57959819
This is very misleading. Pretty sure planeswalkers were a thing even back during Alpha, and that first guy was a planeswalker, which is why we were able to follow him in the first place. Walkers used to be all-powerful god-like beings (hence Bolas fucking shit up being pissed that he's not that anymore) and got a nerf during Time Spiral block to just be normal mages, albeit powerful in their own right usually, that can just walk between worlds.
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>>57959870
How dickish would it be to run this in Omnath? I have so much excess mana half the time and not many ways to stop people screwing me without somethng like Ascetecism on the board, so it feels like a neat choice plus I fucking love mud artifacts..
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>>57959877
I should probably have said, "Then we got walkers on cards."
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>>57959798
>It is infinite tied to the amount of mana you can pay.
>It's still a infinite combo, even if you don't do an infinite combo.
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>>57959866
the people i play the most against have things like OG Teysa aka darkesthour.dek, a Prossh deck that lacks food chain but can still take out someone as soon as she's out, an upgraded papa Edgar dek, a comboless Gitrog, Kruphix Eldrazis, a control-oriented Oona and a Ruric Thar dek. My current janky-ass Ayli dek can only consistently win against the Ruric guy and get my ass beat constantly by Edgar. I don't think i will become the archenemy anytime soon, but at the very least i want to mostly win a 4-man pod
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>>57959376
As someone who plays Ghave regularly the combo you can do with him are all basically the same in concept, and just differ with the actual cards involved. The components are four:

>Ghave
(obviously)

>A Mana generator
It could be phyrexian altar, or Utopia Mycon, or something similar. Ashnod's Altar is the best one because it also act as a finisher (see below)

>A resource generator
Anything that creates a +1/+1 counter or a creature token whenever you activate one of Ghave abilities. There are dozen of cards that can do that. The best ones are those that either do both or create more than one of these. Doubling Season, Cathar Crusade, but even commons like Ivy Lane Denizen. This kind of card is actually the origin of the "Ghave goes infinite with everything" meme, as there are literally dozens of cards that can work

Now the core of the combo is pretty easy. You use ghave to create a creature, you sac that creature for mana and with that mana and the extra resource from your resource generator you use Ghave ability again to create another creature (you may need to use Ghave ability to convert a creature into a counter if your resource generator create tokens and not counters). This generate an infinite loop, but on its own it doesn't do anything. Which bring me to the last card needed:


>A Finisher
This is a card that with the loop above it allows you to win the game. It can be something like blood artists that does it instantly, or it can be also a resource generator card that creates more than one resource. Cathar's crusade or Juniper Order Ranger for example gives you infinite +1/+1 counters on all or one of your creatures, which you can use to attack or to sac with Jarad or something similar. As said above, Ashnod's Altar is both a mana generator and a finisher as giving you double mana allows you to sac only half of your creatures and gives you infinite tokens, infinite mana and infinite counters.
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>>57959764
Pretty solid list there bud, and you could probably get it below $100 with a few minor cuts, which is nuts.
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>>57960017
Now, the very important thing to remember is that while you need all of those kind of cards to have an infinite loop that win you games, you don't actually need to go infinite.

Even Ghave + a resource generator is a fucking value machine. The most basic of that (Ghave + Ivy Lane Citizen) gives you a token for every mana you spend. And considering that if you play Ghave you are also carring ramp you are easily going into 7 or more creatures each turn. This could be not seem much but it's literally the most basic version you can do. A more efficient resource generator means that you are now paying a single mana for bigger creatures, or for making all of your creatures even bigger (Cathar's Crusade). Blasting station means that you have infinite fireballs around. Dictate or Erebos means that everybody else will have to sac every creature basically constantly. And the shit goes on and on.
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>>57959754
Planeswalker CARDS are fairly new, the idea of planeswalkers goes all the way back (with some differences)

Eras of M:tG Lore

Harper-Prism Era
Produced: Several Novels
Quality: Variable, mostly moderate-low
Most people at least enjoy the "Greensleeves" trilogy, while things like The Cursed Land are forgotten for good reason

Armada Comics Era
Produced: Several lines of comic books
Quality: High for what they are
One of the two real golden ages of Magic's story, introduced the backbone of the lore and pretty much all the most creatively weird stuff (including the old rules for planeswalkers)

~The Great Revision: Anything before this is canon only if not contradicted later~

Weatherlight Saga Era
Quality: Extremely high, decaying to mediocre over its run
Produced: LOTS of novels
Holy hell, get and read The Brothers' War if you can. Planeswalker and The Thran are also good. As we got into the real Weatherlight stuff with Masques and Invasion block novels, it got less good but never truly hit godawful. Some of the sidestories from this period, like the Legends cycles, are also pretty decent.

Otaria
Quality: Hot Garbage
Prodiuced: 6 novels
Chainer's Torment is alright but Legions and Scourge are two of the three worst things M:tG Lore has ever created/

Planehopping Times (Mirrodin-Ravnica)
Quality: Surprisingly Decent
Produced: 9 Novels
Mirrodin is a bit lame, but Kamigawa and Ravnica are legit

The Mending (Time Spiral Block)
Quality: Mediocre
Produced: 3 novels
Ended with the event known as the Mending, that rendered Planeswalkers printable mortals.

Lorwyn
Produced: 3 novels & a short story collection
Quality: Mediocre
Not connected to fucking anything.

(1/2)
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>>57960017
I'm tempted to run Ghave. Aristocrats is an archetype that I like, while I am not particularly fond of b/g it's probably the best combination for mass token generation, and I pulled a Tendershoot Dryad.
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>>57959000
In a highly competitive environment, Naya Charm is trash.
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>>57959764
>>57960197
Planeswalker Novel Era
Quality: Decaying from Very Good to Trash
Produced: 6 Novels
Start of New Lore. The Jace & Chandra novels (Agents of Artifice and The Purifying Fire) were good. Alara & Zendikar were OK. Tezzeret (Test of Metal) sucked. and Scars of Mirrodin's novel (Quest for Karn) was both the last novel and the other of the three worst things along with Legions and Scourge.

That Awkward Point Where They Tried to Make Digital Novels
Quality: Surprisingly OK
Produced: 2 digital novels in 6 Parts
Covers Return to Ravnica and Theros.

Lore Article Era/Gatewatch Era
Quality: Steadily Improving
Produced: a shitton of short stories
Starts really with Tarkir, goes on into Magic Origins and everything sense. Most of Tarkir's stories were hot garbage, and OGW was unadulterated trash but since then they've been on an upward climb: SoI had tolerable moments, Kaladesh was decently written but burdened by the villains being way more sympathetic than the heroes for the most part, Amonkhet would have been OK if not shacked to a stupid plot and Samut, and Ixalan has actually been fairly good overall and gone a long way towards redeeming Jace as a decent character.

In general, for the modern lore, avoid anything starring Chandra or Nissa, they're both terribly written pieces of shit who represent a loss of everything and anything that made the characters interesting or likeable in their original appearances in the Planeswalker Novel Era. Read the heck out of anything with Tamiyo or Bolas.
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>>57960243
What, in your opinion, are the three best story arcs of MTG?
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>>57960242
Sure. In cEDH, both are trash. In 75%, Naya Charm is good but Mayael's Aria is trash. In precon level casual, Naya Charm is still good but Mayael's Aria is meh at best.
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>>57960017
>>57960155
Thanks a lot for the feedback, i have a general idea on what to do with him now, really appreciate it bruh
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>>57960287
Armada Comics Ice Age
The Brothers' War
Kamigawa Block
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>>57960243
I don't get why people love sucking Bolas' cock so much, he's a pretty boring villain and character overall.
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>>57960326
Great taste actually.
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Planar Portal or Planar Bridge? Debating swapping out the former for the latter in Karn, just because of the sheer number of permanents, but the flexibility of Portal is real nice
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>>57960326
>The good handful of things that the Kamigawa block did well
>Maro and wotc hate it and will never revisit it or "legendaries matter"
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>>57960364
Planar Portal cheats on much, much more mana potentially. It really depends on what you're trying to do though.
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>>57960364
Possessed portal is what you want. Or coercive portal.
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>>57960399
Planar Bridge I mean obviously
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>>57960326
Deluxe taste, friend. Kamigawa block story is A-1.

>tfw we will never have another good black-aligned protagonist again
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>>57960364
I mean if you're running Karn its not like you're running that many non permanent cards anyway
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>>57960396
I'm very nearly willingly to bet cash money Dominaria will have a legends matter theme.
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>>57960364
I usually prefer Portal, 6 mana isn't that hard to hit but it's at the point where getting access to another mana usually represents multiple turns, so the jump to 8 is fairly harsh. Portal can fetch non-permanents and in MOST cases I'd judge that I could probably tutor and play whatever permanent I'd grab on 6 mana for 2 turns before I could hit 8 mana for 2 turns. In artifact decks, though, that turns around since I'll usually have invested more in big colorless generation and my first tutor with Bridge would be Darksteel Forge, which costs 9 itself.
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>>57960396

I don’t want the current Creative Team anywhere near Kamigawa. I’m surprised they didn’t fuck it up already with Tamiyo, honestly. If Kamigawa remaining forgotten means current creative doesn’t ruin it, that’s okay by me.
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>>57960427
True, but it's nice to be able to drum up an All Is Dust on the end step before my turn, cast it main phase, and open up a dunk contest with my animated fridges.
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>>57960424
>tfw we will never have another good black-aligned protagonist again
*cough* Liliana *cough*
*cough* Yahenni *cough*
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>>57960293
In precons, Mayael Aria is god itself. No one has boardwipes, and their only wincons is eating through your life points with combat damage without having any reliable way to deal commander damage.

At 75% I would still argue that both are trash, Naya Charm has more utility, but at 75%, winning through Mayael Aria might not be as unplausible, I can see someone using Uril "voltron" with Mayael as an alt wincon.
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>>57960460
>implying they were anywhere near as good as Toshi
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>>57960460
Liliana's an antihero at best being built up for villainhood and Yahenni sucked.
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>>57960364
I don't like Planar Portal because while it's true you get any kind of card either it's very cheap or you spend most of your mana tutoring for it.

Instead i usually use Planar Bridge for permanents that already cost 6 or more, so it's basically a demonic tutor or better on a stick.
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>>57960471
O, they aren't even close. But still, they "exist"
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>>57960424
Was Maralen a protagonist?

>"good"
I wouldn't know.
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>>57960460
Yahenni wasn't a protagonist, only Liliana was.
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>>57960331
The boring part is debatable, but it's mostly because he fucked the Gatewatch in the ass and everybody hate the Gatewatch.
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>>57960455
If by "current creative team" you're including people who write the lore articles, then sure. You're right.
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>>57959427
Niggers prefer constructive feedback? I suppose they're not so bad after all.
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Next deck I'm going to build is Alesha, Who Smiles at Death. Any advice for a moron or dank secret tech to share? I am going to include Jaya Ballard, since I think she's a neat card, a good discard source to put creatures in the graveyard for Alesha, and there's a lot of blue in my meta.
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>>57960677
>Any advice for a moron or dank secret tech to share?
Only the dankest.
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>>57960677
I could never run a canonical tranny, WotC is gross.
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>>57959819
Am I the only one who thought anything with Urza in it, other than the Brothers War, was complete dog shit?

The whole story got exceedingly dumb. Urza was a bigger mary sue than jace. And the sky pirate/laser phase was moronic and had some of the worst art.
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>>57960714

I just found that out today, but I actually like the nuance of the character. How the "identity struggle" is contextualized as a Mardu practice where those who've proven themselves in battle choose a new name. And since Alesha killed a fucking dragon, no one gives a shit. I get that's it's a diversity pander straight out of "Dumbledore was gay all along lol" but it's at least a decent narrative twist and the set-up isn't "OMG WE MARDU ARE SO INCLUSIVE AND ACCEPTING, WE ARE TRANS WHITE/BLACK" but "WOW NICE KILL FAG, THAT'S WHAT MATTERS".
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>>57960690

Hot. What do you think of Illusionist's Bracers?
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>>57960799
Not him, but the pander was so strong during the time that I can't like the card, even though I love Mardu.
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>>57960830
Doesn't work. Alesha's ability is a trigger, not activated.

However, I am a big fan of the Fiend Hunter/sac outlet loop. Use it. Also works with Tidehollow Sculler
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>>57960714
lol who cares, Alesha is fun to play
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>>57960868
Apathy is Death.
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>>57960473
Wasn't she already a heal who turned babyface?
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>>57960897
You sound like a nerd

Why do you care so much about if someone's got a hog or a gash between their legs, if they're happy and have support that's all that matters
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>>57960853

What about things like Gravedigger? Any creatures that fill that roll better?
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>>57960957
Strionic Resonator, maybe. It's fine to cast your creatures too, since it's better to have the right ETB at the right time rather than relying on a single trigger to cheat them out. Plus you get completely fucked if you get hit by a Nihil Spellbomb or something.
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GOD DAMMIT CARDKINGDOM WHERE ARE MY CARDS I NEED TO UPGRADE MY DECK FOR TONIGHT REEEEEEE
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>>57959000
Ive thought of using it in uril as an alternative wincon, if attacking is locked out and uril is stacked with totem armors.
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>>57959798
Those are called manadumps. You dump the mana you get from the infinite combo.
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>>57957874
It's a fucking uncommon that's only played in casual formats. Yes, it's fucking expensive!
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>>57959549
What you need are things like teferis protection, heroic intervention, eerie interlude, etc. you could also run fog, clinging mists, etc if a bad swing happens.

But you really should keep white. Awakening suns avatar, and temple altisaur are too good in Dinos to not have white. Plus with white, you get the gw seigehorn.

Also, trapjaw tyrant holy shit.
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>>57961075
card kingdom a shit
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>>57961522
Why? I was thinking about buying cards from them.
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Is chains worth running in nekusar?
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>>57960799
It's still retarded, because in the first place there are no gender roles among the Mardu.
In their drive to be inclusive, every society in every mtg plane treats men and women the same, every army and office 50%/50% men and women (with the occasional exception where women are more represented, like that Theros city)
And it's not like the Mardu have magic or medicine to change someone's sex. So someone being trans here is just a matter of "use my preferred pronouns".
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>>57961629
If you have a copy lying around then yes
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>>57961629
If you proxy it, absolutely not.
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>>57961654
>complaining about representation in magic
what do you actually want though? the gender of fictional characters on playing cards is pretty easy to not pay attention to.
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>>57957633
there isn't one. i've wanted a bant enchantment commander for a long time. right now i'm looking into building kangee instead.
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>>57961676
>>57961691
I do have a copy that I had it in nath but I played him to death.
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>>57960553
Is that the quality of an average MTG lore paragraph?
That looks like it was written by a 13 year old goth. It's nauseating.
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>>57961731
>what do you actually want though?
Interesting settings. For them to actually think about how things work in their settings instead of ticking a quota box.
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>>57960690
>MoC in Alesha
>Secret
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Who are the people you really hate in your playgroups/LGS?
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>>57961522
ur shit
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>>57962183
Myself
and one guy who keeps telling the group my precon is the best deck at the table despite is being the worst and who wins most matches because everyone ignores him
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>>57962244
How the hell does he convince people a precon is the absolute worst thing they face?
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>>57960944
Slippery Slope. Look at gay boys commander. Keep your faggotry out of my childrens card game.
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https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-circle-of-life-budget/

What would you take out for lotus cobra?
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>>57962318
You sound like an insecure retard. Daddy keep slapping you with the belt the moment you show a tiny bit of what he calls "faggotry"?
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>>57962390
You sound like a passive soyboy. I've seen what fags do to male dominated "nerd" hobbies. Comics have been fucking ruined, as have video games.
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>>57959798
Anon, that's not how infinite combos work. That's just called a combo. It's only infinite if it's a part of a larger combo that produces infinite mana.
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>>57962420
You sound scared. Shh daddy won't know.
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>>57962496
Freakin' epic reply Lois
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>>57962296
Because he's played the longest and they think he's really clever and the best at magic.

He's also the resident "blue is the greatest" and they're both timmies and are scared that he'll mess with their stuff.

In fairness it was Meren, now Jarad.
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>>57962153
if you don't like the setting that's a different issue. you shouldn't blame the low quality of the entire setting on one character being trans.
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>>57961454
I'm not willing to get a second Teferi's Protection at this point.
My Edgar precon one is tied up in a token deck.

Also, my Marath Dino decklist with a fat maybeboard because I'm indecisive.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/path-of-conflict/
rate, hate, make suggestions from my maybeboard

I'm going to update my lists/maybeboards for my other three decks.
Preemptively, I have Phyrexian Reclamation, Oversold Cemetery, and Death Denied, could I easily switch one out for Lifeline? Sac all but one of my creatures,
they get returned to the field, am I interpreting this right?
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>>57962529
Sounds like a scrub who needs a good Junding.
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>>57962547
>you shouldn't blame the low quality of the entire setting on one character being trans.
I really don't. Alesha is just a small symptom that shows how dumb their thought process is, by herself she doesn't ruin anything.
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>>57962518
Glad you thought so gayboy.
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>>57962684
>>57962518
will you two just fuck already
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>>57962730
What do you think i'm trying to do?
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>>57962684
>>57962740
Found the GW beta cuckold. Post your trostani list
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Holy shit you guys
I just found a 1 card infinite mana combo!
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>>57962183
This one guy who only plays eldrazi and thinks he's hot shit because of it.
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>>57962665
>Alesha is just a small symptom that shows how dumb their thought process is, by herself she doesn't ruin anything.
if she doesn't ruin anything then how is she a symptom of the problem? do you dislike her character? what characters do you like?
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>>57961075
>buying from Cuck Kingdom
If you're in the US and not buying from TCGplayer, then kill yourself.
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>>57962183

That guy who kills the table by sacrificing Lord of Extinction, or Malignus + Kresh/Stalking Vengeance to Jarad.

(It's me)
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>>57962183
The guy who only ever plays Talrand counterspell tribal. Not that he's oppressive or anything, I build my decks around it so he rarely wins. It's just fucking annoying and boring.
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Getting introduced to mtg through edh.
Really enjoyed this character's flavor, so I wanted to play thematically and tried to make a tent pole build with the only other creatures being Bird of Paradise and Rekindling Phoenix. Rest of the deck are mostly to hopefully slow down opponents (Winter/Static Orb), protect Sunastian (Champion's Helm), and reuse his activate power (Thornbite Staff) while going for kills (Comet Storm). I don't think my build has access to any infinites, and with common discussion of that here I'm probably going to be at a handicap. Given my vague description, any suggestions for further improvement would be greatly appreciated.

also tried to only get art showing the consequences of spells or from a first person perspective for full fluff experience
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>>57963035
It's a symptom because it doesn't make sense in that context. And no, i don't like her, for that reason and because there's nothing interesting about her in the first place.
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>>57963169
Forgot to add, a minority of the equipment are melee oriented to go along with his flavor and provide some extra deaths to hopefully fuel his activate power..
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>>57963187
>Fictional settings based on the fantasies created by writers, ultimately created to appeal to their tastes and to appeal to a contemporary audience, are bound exclusively by real-world historical prejudices of the closest comparable era and region, even if I can't be fucked to know that those biases might have actually been in fact and just project some reactionary post-victorian morality on them instead.

Someone's a brainlet.
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Well, the madman actually did it..
He successfuly pulled off his dream combo of Humility and Dovescape

I have never played a game as boring as that one
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>>57963341
Actually, they're the ones that are applying real world concepts to the setting, the problem is that they're applying two incompatible ones.
Also stop making assumptions about my beliefs and kys.
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>>57963411
>they're applying two incompatible ones
This is what I was talking about.
You only think they're incompatible because "muh mongolian anti-sjw" attitude, when this is f i c t i o n, not a historical document, and in no way representative of any alleged real-world culture.

>Brainlet who can't understand critical theory
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who’s the baddest commander?
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>>57963458
>thinks critical theory is reasonable in any form
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>>57963054
Why?
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>>57963550
>he thinks critical thinking isn't reasonable

cool dude, you do you.
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>>57963458
I'm not talking about history or any human culture besides the modern one, yet you keep acting like i've said a bunch of shit i've never did.
Are you always like that?
Never did i imply this is supposed to represent a real world culture. I said it breaks the internal logic of the setting.

I don't know why i even bother typing this out. You already fit me into the "anti-SJW" box so you'll just keep spewing your ready made answers. Fucking idiot.
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>>57963575
Pls tragic slip yourself, commie scum.
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can you guys fucking kill yourselves?
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>>57963603
this general is such shit now
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>>57963597
Jokes on you, morbid isn't active right now.
Maybe you should sac yourself in response.
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>>57963609
>now
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>>57963657
>>57963657
>>57963657
new thread
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>>57963654
>morbid isn't active right now.
>100 million + people dead to starvation
>"Morbid isn't active"
O PLS.
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>>57963654
>>57963597
I'm just going to StP both of you. You need some life.
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>>57963689
Nice.
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>>57963689
lel
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>>57960483
He said good protagonists.




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